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Saturday, December 26, 2015

Mailvox: interviews and the granting thereof

HS objects to my permitting Greg Johnson to ask me questions about my latest book, Cuckservative: How "Conservatives" Betrayed America.
I am a born again Christian. I believe you profess the same. Therefore, why would you grant interviews with someone so warped as Johnson on every level. He not only is a sodomite but an atheist, paganism-pusher, and sodomite-hostile to Christianity and Christians. Perhaps you are not a regenerate man nor do you possess much in the way of principles. This would then, of course, explain the matter. Johnson even says you "honored" him in your recent book. This is a disgrace, disgusting. Perhaps you will deign to reply to me and explain. But probably not. I think you have something of a duty as a professing Christian to explain yourself. Since I as a fellow believer have asked and being as that the question is biblically legitimate I think you are so obligated.
First, HS should get off his ridiculous high horse. It is neither polite nor Christian to demand an answer and offer a justification for doing so before one has even given the person one is asking the chance to respond.

Second, HS is wrong. I am happy to answer his question.

Third, since I first became a public figure in 2001, I have made a regular practice of answering anyone who wishes to ask me questions. Including HS, even though he is an impolite boor, and Mr. Johnson, even though he does not share my views on a wide variety of subjects.

Would HIS similarly criticize Jesus Christ for not only speaking with, but actually dining with, prostitutes and tax collectors?

HS responded in what can only be described as textbook Gamma style:
First, let me say I appreciate your prompt reply. Though I was surprised at its jejune and unsophisticated nature. My email was direct, even demanding and legitimately so. That is, if my charges were accurate. You deny nothing of what I have charged save an unimportant suggestion that you may not care to respond, which I initially addressed. Thus you tacitly acknowledge said accuracy. You are indeed accountable for unbiblical public behavior. And it is reasonable for me or any Christian to expect such from you or any other public figure also professing a Christian faith -  in some venue or other.  Your appearance of being in league with a patent enemy of the Gospel is scandalous. For you to argue this is plain contumacy. Further, your cliché reflex in bringing up the Lord in his ministry shows only hack disingenuousness. It is precarious ground to draw conclusions from Jesus' ministry for general behavior on our part in any instance but you are clearly badly mistaken in this particular offering. Our Lord NEVER socialized with people who were decidedly hostile to Himself and hateful to his disciples. And this is precisely what you do vis a vis Johnson. In mere personal terms, as a Christian, how can you not be repelled by this individual on a number of levels? Forgive the digression. I notice that you didn't trouble yourself to even identify as a Christian in your email. But then you may feel my impolite tone preempts this. Which brings me to a conclusion. That you are concerned with impoliteness and boorishness (complete nonsense - remember? You run a rough-and-tumble blog - "boor?" - lol) rather than the obviously important substance of my email further discredits you. Why do I not expect a reply that will be other than pure defensive/self-centeredness?
I have to admit, I really, really struggle to not hate Gammas. Literally everything they do is almost breathtakingly annoying; no wonder they get bullied and abused so often when they are young. I expect this is the kind of guy who tweets his breakfasts and genuinely believes his bowel movements are "obviously important" to everyone. Now, here is the interview with the pagan to which HS importantly objected so vociferously.
GJ: Seriously, the thing that gets me about what you call Churchianity, which is a good term, the Churchians today is they seem to want to deny that it’s moral and right to have any preference for your own children over strangers, for your own country over neighbors, for your own race over other races, and yet you zero in on that in the New Testament indicating that no, those sorts of preferences were regarded as natural.

Looking at Aquinas, for instance. Aquinas in his Questions on Charity basically he says, “Yes, God’s love flows through all of creation, but creation consists of hierarchies and concentric circles of relationships, and so you have a natural preference for your own over strangers, and that structure of preferences doesn’t impede the grace of God, and it’s not something that needs to be fought against or disdained.” And yet what you’ve got with Christians today is this pure xenophilia, this perverse attitude that your neighbor is not your neighbor. No, the neighbor is someone who is far more foreign than your neighbor, and in fact your preference for these foreigners often turns your neighbor’s life in to a living hell.

VD: Right, but again, these are people who call themselves Christians, but when they’re preaching immigration from the Gospel, they’re doing exactly what the Apostle Paul warned about, which is the whole wolf in sheep’s clothing. These are not Christians.

I’m not playing no true Scotsman here. I’m saying these are not people for the most part… And I’m talking about the leaders, I’m not talking about the average church members.

GJ: Right.

VD: These are people who worship at the Temple of Babel.

GJ: Right.

VD: I would not be surprised at all if many of them actually served some other god. I actually got the concept of SJW entryism from being told about a church that had been basically invaded by people who had managed to take it over and the crazy thing is, I mention this in the book, the same thing happened 20 years later at one of the churches that my parents attended. I actually know one of the pastors involved and my uncle was on the board of the church. They ended up getting invaded by these SJWs, who promptly announced that they had a vision for combining Christianity with Islam and wanted to call it Chrislam.

Now, you cannot possibly hold Christianity responsible for that, because that is anti-Christianity of a sort that Richard Dawkins never dreamed of.

GJ: Oh God, yes! The core issue is really the idea of charity and loving your neighbor and being kind to strangers and so forth, and that notion carries a great deal of moral weight even in the minds of non-Christians. It’s been perverted into an attitude where you measure your virtue by the degree to which you betray the people close to you and side with people far away. It overturns families, it overturns communities, and it overturns societies. It’s just a kind of moralistic absurdity that is an agent of chaos and destruction.

VD: And you’ve seen The Lord of the Rings. What do we usually call a good that is perverted into something else other than its purpose?

GJ: Well, you tell me.

VD: We usually call that evil.

GJ: Evil. Yeah.

VD: I think this Churchianity is absolutely evil. I think it is absolutely of the devil. I don’t think you even need to be Christian to pick up the scent of brimstone from it. I realize for your secular viewers that may sound nuts, and that’s fine, but my point is that the good news for the secular and the pagan Right is that true Christianity, the Christianity that exploded across the world, and the Christianity that caused the lands of Europe to become Christendom, is ultimately on your side in that regard.

There’s no question about that. Even someone like Anders Breivik recognized it. Breivik is not a Christian. He does not worship Jesus Christ, but he described himself as a cultural Christian because he understood that connection.

GJ: Right.

VD: In Europe, that’s going to be the big factor of change. It’s not an accident that Putin often speaks in religious terms. It’s not an accident that the forces that are rising in Poland and Hungary . . . Even Hungary, like you said, is fairly secular, but when you listen to the nationalists speak they often speak about the Christian heroes, the Christian kings.

GJ: Oh yeah.

VD: But the most important thing to keep in mind, and I think it’s something that can inspire seculars and pagans as well, and it’s something that I always enjoy telling atheists, because they say there are fewer Christians now in America than there were before and I always say, “Hey, we only need 11.”
How terrible, that a Christian should speak of Aquinas, and Christian theology, and of the words of Jesus Christ himself, with an unbeliever!

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77 Comments:

Blogger Sun Xhu December 26, 2015 2:14 AM  

Man, that guy is just an absurd caricature of the "typical" Born Again Christian. Pure self-righteous indignation suffuses his entire being.

He is why many people have an open disdain for what they call "Christians", but they're really talking about Churchians.

Anonymous Man of the Atom December 26, 2015 2:15 AM  

HS is probably a devout born-again Churchian who saw a little too much of himself in the topic of your discussion with Mr Johnson, so butthurt ensued. In his fury, putative allies start taking his fire instead of SJW targets, so cuckservative as well.

Blogger Noah B #120 December 26, 2015 2:18 AM  

You probably haven't heard the last of HS. Please keep us updated!

Anonymous aegis-1080 December 26, 2015 2:26 AM  

"I am a born again Christian."

People that start with that phrase tend to be hypocritical, nagging and self-righteous. See: Evangelicals. Wouldn't surprise me if the period before being "born again" included sodomy, sure writes like a closet case.

That said, if you put the judgment of leftists (Read: Getting called an -ist) before the judgment of God, you aren't a Christian. And frankly, is not only evil, but also ridiculous, leftists aren't fit to judge anybody, given their track record.

Blogger Samuel Nock December 26, 2015 2:34 AM  

And just look at the incredible lack of respect and civility Johnson showed in this debate on Christianity with Jonas de Greer:

http://www.counter-currents.com/2015/04/debate-on-christianity/

(I'm being sarcastic for those who don't feel like clicking over.)

Johnson always makes a Christmas post, has respect for the traditions, and is critical only in an intellectual sense. When does Johnson ever engage in anything other than civil debate and discussion so long as the interlocutor is in good faith? (Same is true of VD as well)

Anonymous Eric the Red December 26, 2015 2:40 AM  

GJ nailed it...
"It’s been perverted into an attitude where you measure your virtue by the degree to which you betray the people close to you and side with people far away. It overturns families, it overturns communities, and it overturns societies. It’s just a kind of moralistic absurdity that is an agent of chaos and destruction."

They're standing on the streetcorners so that everyone can see their moral superiority, virtue signalling from Pharisees writ large.

I've said it once before (badly), so this will be the last time...

These people are eager to sacrifice their neighbors on the altar of their pristine ideals.

Blogger Phillip George December 26, 2015 2:48 AM  

The pope, and I won't look it up or quote him, apparently recently said there's no need to try to convert Jews. Stupidist pope in history? That would take some doing? Shit teaching about the Crusades etc. led to all this. Relativism again.

Fijians, Maori were cannibals. Human sacrifice, thugees, kali worship. But now we need to "respect" what. A load of horse shit is at least good for fertilizer. Nothing in paganism is worth reviving. Nothing. Nothing in Islam is worth respecting. Nothing. Nothing in Evolutionism is scientific. Nothing is cosmology is proven. Nothing in secularism is absolute. Nothing is secularism isn't religion in hiding. Christianity without sexism is diabolical. The blood of Jesus is man's only righteousness. End of HisStory.

Anonymous Eric the Red December 26, 2015 2:51 AM  

In keeping with this blog's main theme:

Assuming that he represents evil, it was wise to be interviewed by Johnson for a number of thoroughly Christian reasons:

1) A Christian should be prepared to do battle directly with the enemy on his home turf.
2) The results of the interview are more likely to be read by those who, although they are now in the enemy camp, can be persuaded by moral clarity to come to Christ.
3) Any non-Christian ideology that Johnson might throw out can be refuted; the degree to which that occurs makes (2) more likely.

I can't for the immortal life of me see how HS represents any kind of authority for Christ's message.

OpenID Jack Amok December 26, 2015 2:52 AM  

I have to admit, I really, really struggle to not hate Gammas.

I have to admit, I don't struggle not to hate them. But then I'm not Yoda, I don't think hate is evil. I think it's a natural and useful human emotion. This prig demonstrates why.

my point is that the good news for the secular and the pagan Right is that true Christianity, the Christianity that exploded across the world, and the Christianity that caused the lands of Europe to become Christendom, is ultimately on your side in that regard.

I absolutely believe this. Churchianism is not the first, and probably not the last, perversion of Christianity, but the belief that salvation is an individual act rather than a communal rite is the thing. Vox's salvation doesn't depend upon my actions, and that is profoundly liberating to both of us.

This HS character, a born-again churchian of sorts, seems to think his salvation is jeopardized, or cheapened, or made less special, by Vox talking to a non-believer. What practical difference is there between him and your average Global Warmingmonger who needs you to give up your car for the sake of Gaia?

Blogger Krul December 26, 2015 2:55 AM  

HS's emails read like they were written by the bastard lovechild of the Architect and Anita Horgarth.

Anonymous VFM 360 December 26, 2015 3:05 AM  

Our Lord NEVER socialized with people who were decidedly hostile to Himself and hateful to his disciples.

Apparently HS forgets the words of the Apostle Paul who said that were enemies of God before being reconciled by Christ. Therefore, those whom Christ associated with were by very definition hostile to Him.

Blogger LP999 DUNE no Doom December 26, 2015 3:06 AM  

Gammatudes gotta Gamma hiding behind GJ.

Why doesn't HS want to promote Cuckservative: How "Conservatives" Betrayed America?

Anonymous Susan December 26, 2015 3:08 AM  

Problem for newbie Christians is that while they are indeed correct to not support immoral and deviant lifestyles, they ignore a passage where God says He loves ALL of His creation, but will not support their sinful choices. You can read their articles, or even have lunch with them and it really isn't a problem.

Their personal beliefs are just that, personal. As long as they don't expect me to support them in their bug chasing or other sinful choices, I enjoy their writing. Milo and his cheeky wit make my day sometimes.

I wonder what reaction HS would have to one of Milo's articles on Breitbart? The cheeky rascal would probably make this person's hamster wheel go totally off the track.

Anonymous R. K. Meedees December 26, 2015 3:39 AM  

It seems that a court has been convened somewhere and a verdict rendered.

I suggest calling this type of message an "Archimedian Trial", since the only things missing are the lever, the fulcrum and the place from which to stand.

Anonymous 334 December 26, 2015 3:43 AM  

"I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people — not at all meaning the sexually immoral of this world, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler — not even to eat with such a one. For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? God judges those outside."

Kinda settles it for me.

Blogger Phillip George December 26, 2015 3:46 AM  

ie. rather than building stuff, like the nation, or RAM jets for new guided missile systems, they're busy 'improving' themselves. but their new shoes are all worn out; That hound dog don't hunt.

Blogger Phillip George December 26, 2015 3:50 AM  

o.k. @15, what is forming an "association"? does it have articles, is it incorporated, does it get tax exemption, are minutes taken, to whom does said association report, who presides, governs or convenes it. Would you buy meat from a adulterous vendor. Do you vet. Is the vetting process sufficient?

Blogger Tupla-J December 26, 2015 3:53 AM  

There is this tendency for new converts to make a show of being a True Believer, no matter what the cause happens to be. For them, everything concerning the cause has to be Special, rigid, ritualistic and literalistic to the point of absurdity. They're loud and annoying and most of the show exists because it is make believe they need to believe what they say themselves. It is a symptom of ridiculously high concern for the opinions of others (ie fear of rejection) and serious lack of self confidence.

Anonymous Eric the Red December 26, 2015 4:15 AM  

I guess @15 has to be hit over the head with it, otherwise he has his eyes and ears shut...

Vox being interviewed by GJ was more-or-less engangement with the enemy, i.e., preaching God's Word, not being BFF and going to the local bar to practice PUA lines.

So please tell us again, what do you think is the definition of "associate", mmmm ???

Blogger Laramie Hirsch December 26, 2015 4:38 AM  

I see fellow Traditional Catholics act like this on occasion. Instant facepalm. And not only do I feel bad that the annoying Catholic doesn't see how he's coming off, but I also have to sit there and watch the people receive what the guy says, presuming that's how all Catholics act.

On the other hand, Davis Aurini continues to try to make alliances with liberals, and he keeps getting his hand bitten.

Blogger buzzardist December 26, 2015 4:41 AM  

Yes, Vox, how dare you resort to the "cliché" of using Jesus' ministry as an example for our own behavior! Because, you know, that's so cliché. Bible-believing, Jesus-following Christians always refer to the example of Jesus and to what Jesus said. How can you do this!?!

And engaging with people who were hostile to Jesus? Yeah, Jesus never sparred with the Sadducees or Pharisees, and he certainly didn't speak with Pilate. All those people just kinda killed him for no apparent reason.

Anonymous Sensei December 26, 2015 4:45 AM  

The most hideous kind of pride is when you're absolutely roached with it and yet you don't know it yourself.

With the goal of actually being Christlike, a certain amount of patience/graciousness is necessary when dealing with those who use term "born again Christian," or at least those who unlike HS do not reek of idolatrous self-righteousness. (Jesus had quite harsh words for them indeed)
The term itself is just a sign of the influence of a certain ill-advised era in American Christianity, but they themselves may be innocent or complicit in the Churchian ideals they were exposed to.

Growing up I was taught, mostly implicitly but at some churches it's quite explicit, that part of my job as a Christian was to parse everything with the finest comb possible and decide whether it met or failed the standards of Bible-ness. (If it was American enough, in a neo-Reaganian sense, that was ok too) I was then to publicly virtue signal my acceptance or rejection of everything based on that rigorous judgment, and along with staying busy at church and not doing anything that associated me with sinners, that was being a good Christian.

The conservative American church of my experience (yours may vary) was all like that, like the Shire crossed with a monastery: "We don't hold with that, and here's why from the Bible." There was no conception of a living faith unafraid to engage the culture on its own ground, only a noble losing battle to testify to that culture that it wasn't acting right, knowing they wouldn't listen, but we could huddle in our churches and keep virtue signaling to each other to keep hope alive.

Blogger Steve, the Dark Ninja of Mockery December 26, 2015 4:49 AM  

I am at the moment writing a lengthy indictment against our century. When my brain begins to reel from my literary labors, I make an occasional cheese dip.

Blogger VD December 26, 2015 4:50 AM  

On the other hand, Davis Aurini continues to try to make alliances with liberals, and he keeps getting his hand bitten.

Being the Supreme Dark Lord of the ELoE, I don't try to make alliances with people. People try to make alliances with me. If our interests are aligned and I deem their actions sufficiently trustworthy, I accept.

Anonymous Nxx December 26, 2015 4:53 AM  

So basically VD must isolate Greg Johnson because DISQUALIFY.

Anonymous Scintan December 26, 2015 4:54 AM  

"I am a born again Christian."

I doubt that.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer December 26, 2015 5:29 AM  

part of my job as a Christian was to parse everything with the finest comb possible and decide whether it met or failed the standards of Bible-ness. (If it was American enough, in a neo-Reaganian sense, that was ok too) I was then to publicly virtue signal my acceptance or rejection of everything based on that rigorous judgment, and along with staying busy at church and not doing anything that associated me with sinners, that was being a good Christian.

I grew up without any contact with a church and that was exactly the impression I had concerning Christians, a bunch of humorless scolds whose point in life was to try to make everyone else as miserable as they are.And that is exactly the impression that the secular world promotes. That Christians are a bunch of prigs.

HS strikes me as the kind of believer that denounces The Lord of The Rings for being "occult."

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer December 26, 2015 5:35 AM  

In any event, if believers aren't supposed to talk to anyone who doesn't share their believes already then proselytizing, or for that matter trying to influence the culture to move in a positive direction, is impossible.

But lets stay in our bubble were everyone and everything conforms to a strict, insular, view of Christianity which makes the legalism of the Pharisees look libertine.

Blogger Phillip George December 26, 2015 5:42 AM  

got to start doing at least a quick proof read:
Christianity was meant to salt every meat. To run the whole show. Inform on every subject. But in and of itself conform to nothing.
The separation of Church and State meme goes like this: our job is to be spiritual. Constantine was a fake Christian who subverted Christianity by taking it on in order to run the relaunched Roman Empire. I'm too pure to be political so here are a list of my virtues. It's inverted reality. Christianity's first job was to convert Constantine and it did. Like all men before him he did the best he could and made mistakes. But his job as an Emperor continued on after his conversion and he did what he could to make "thy kingdom come LORD".

Run your home for Jesus faithfully and next step, the whole Earth. The meme of separation into sacred and secular, religious and political kills individual ingenuity and political cunning alike. It's sperm without semen, dead at once.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer December 26, 2015 5:44 AM  

I associate this kind of "Christianity" with Calvinism.

You show that you must be one of the "elect" by virtue signaling and withdrawing, as much as possible, from the world.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch December 26, 2015 5:46 AM  

Being the Supreme Dark Lord of the ELoE, I don't try to make alliances with people. People try to make alliances with me. If our interests are aligned and I deem their actions sufficiently trustworthy, I accept.

True, more or less.

Blogger Chris December 26, 2015 5:56 AM  

I've had numerous interactions with Greg Johnson and while I find some aspects of what he writes objectionable, he's struck me as a non Christian trying to give Christians the benefit of the doubt, and being disappointed multiple times. The biggest obstacle to Christianity on the intellectual Alt Right is supposed Christians saying, doing and supporting transparently stupid and evil ideas, and actions.
I am 100% against abortion, full stop. This does not mean that I wholeheartedly endorse a world with 0 whites and 5 billion Africans. It is no coincidence that the superior tribes in Africa such as the Igbo, Tutsi, and Amara all embraced Christianity much sooner than their counterparts who still traffic with Demons. 80% of the so called Catholics in Cuba are demon worshipping Santeria cultists would HS side with them over Greg Johnson? A literal reading of Galatians 3:28 could lead to the impression that the apostle Paul was A OK with Trannies, are we to tolerate that? Or are we to be reasonable and not divorce ourselves from the world completely? Where honest Pagans like Dr. Johnson agree with the obvious fact that water is wet, and the White race is drowning, should agree with him and point out that the only way to get dry is to rest in Christ. Not to argue that a world populated by 80 IQ demoniacs is somehow the will of God.

Anonymous Sensei December 26, 2015 6:26 AM  

I associate this kind of "Christianity" with Calvinism.

You show that you must be one of the "elect" by virtue signaling and withdrawing, as much as possible, from the world.



That's a door that leads to 400 comments on this post, (200 of them purely sectarian and unedifying), but at least in my own experience, reformed churches are not more given to this kind of problem than other churches. The virtue signalling I see from them is more of the "yes, fellow scholars, I too grasp these theological subtleties" variety.

(Not "Holier than Thou" but "The Frozen Chosen")

My experience in the South is that it's churches which have a strong personality cult around their pastor that are more given to this problem. Not sure if anyone else has observed this as well.

Blogger Escoffier December 26, 2015 6:38 AM  

Vox, here is a Gamma/Cuckservative comment directed at you, this time from Dalrock's blog...

http://tinyurl.com/qx2rp7e

No enemies to the left indeed!

OpenID simplytimothy December 26, 2015 6:41 AM  

You bear good witness Vox; your work bears much fruit. God bless.

Blogger Stilicho #0066 December 26, 2015 6:49 AM  

If HS were making a serious inquiry, I would ask him if God ever uses the unrighteous to accomplish his purposes. However, the stench of "disqualify" is so strong on this one, that serious discussion is not an option.

Anonymous grey enlightenment December 26, 2015 6:58 AM  

Who is HS?

OpenID simplytimothy December 26, 2015 6:58 AM  

One other thing. It took a pagan quoting Aquinas to bring to light the perfectly sensible and Christian notion of order in charity. I will be wielding that club with vigor!


Blogger Ron Winkleheimer December 26, 2015 7:24 AM  

My experience in the South is that it's churches which have a strong personality cult around their pastor that are more given to this problem. Not sure if anyone else has observed this as well.

Yeah, the Pastor functions as the authoritative source on doctrine, often because he is the source of the Church's doctrine.

When I started looking for a church I was careful to not join one that functioned primarily to validate the Pastor's ego.

A church were everyone in the congregation is in constant agreement with the Pastor and are afraid to dissent isn't a church that is in service to Christ.

Blogger Roger Hill December 26, 2015 7:41 AM  

Much has been made in Christian sermons about the social and ethnic differences between the Good Samaritan and the Jew who fell among thieves. But it would seem odd for people to warp the meaning into a sort of 'screw the guy next door, look for a distant foreigner to be charitable too'.

Is not the point of the parable to love those before your very eyes, no matter our excuses? Is it not the immediate need in your very presence that spurs actions out of true agape? Yet some people still think the point is that an unseen Ethiopian is as much my neighbor and should be sought out to shower love upon more than the widow woman who lives across the street. It's as if the level of neighborly love is dependent more on finding the greatest need, even if we have to go looking for it in Antarctica.

Anonymous NorthernHamlet December 26, 2015 7:50 AM  

I chuckled pretty good at the first email.

The second? I was surprised to see another. I felt like hitting the twit. So many emotional words.

Blogger Rantor December 26, 2015 8:16 AM  

@Ron you would be wrong, I am a Christian and Calvinist and I fully support the work of Vox Day. (Like Markku and others) Christians are called to engage in the society they live in, to be salt and light. Vox is doing a tremendous job spreading truth and fighting the enemy. No Christian should want to see this engagement end, ultimately, victory is ours, in Christ Jesus.

As to this specific interview, it was excellent. The interviewer was honest in his questioning and fair in discussion. He never berated nor condemned Vox for being Christian. So while he may have behaviors we don't approve of, that is not our sin unless we condone it. I did not see Vox condoning the sin, but engaged in a good political and religious conversation with an unbeliever. Only good can come of that as Vox' words will reach a new audience, and maybe spark a positive thought about Christianity that wasn't there before.

OpenID simplytimothy December 26, 2015 8:37 AM  

@42 It is a muscular christianity of flying elbows and bloodied teeth. It is salt. It is a Christianity worth living and fighting for. It brings blessings and liberty, truth and light. It is a candle in the darkness. It is a helping hand leading the way out; it kills the fucking orcs. Its a man's game. Clear eyed and cold eyed. A tender heart of mercy bearing a merciless sword. It is good; it is a gift.

Blogger Student in Blue December 26, 2015 8:43 AM  

@40. Roger Hill
Much has been made in Christian sermons about the social and ethnic differences between the Good Samaritan and the Jew who fell among thieves.

The more immediate problem I run into it is that people associate themselves with the Samaritan, rather than the Man on the Road. The question the parable was answering was, "Who is my neighbor?".

The answer was, "The one who has shown you mercy is your neighbor." That is, show mercy to those who have shown you mercy. It shouldn't need to be said, but the "refugees" in Europe have, as a whole, shown zero amount of mercy to their host countries. They act instead as invaders, spitting at our peace offerings and raping our women.

Here's a slightly longer rant I did on The Good Samaritan, if you're interested.

Blogger totenhenchen December 26, 2015 8:48 AM  

He does not worship Jesus Christ, but he described himself as a cultural Christian because he understood that connection.

This is exactly how I describe myself to the rabidly leftist, anti-Christian atheists I'm surrounded by. It's kind of funny; their brains can't compute it. I can almost see the "404 error page not found" flashing on their foreheads...

Blogger totenhenchen December 26, 2015 8:48 AM  

He does not worship Jesus Christ, but he described himself as a cultural Christian because he understood that connection.

This is exactly how I describe myself to the rabidly leftist, anti-Christian atheists I'm surrounded by. It's kind of funny; their brains can't compute it. I can almost see the "404 error page not found" flashing on their foreheads...

Blogger tz December 26, 2015 8:53 AM  

Our Lord went to and ate with both tax-collectors and Pharisees.

I'm surprised no one brought up Roosh.

The demarcation is 1. Do you recognize western civilization is being burned down? 2. Are you taking any action to quench the flames?

Between the Declaration and Constitution, there may have been quarrels about deists, quakers, and catholics, but they were in the background. A war is being fought.

And it is a bloody war. Monday is the feast of the Holy Innocents. Go watch the Planned Parenthood Baby body part videos and remember all the Congressional Christian Cuckservatives who are continuing to fund it - and are you going to do something in the primary to eject such monsters?

This is not a battlefield of lines and phalanxes, it is a 4GW archipelago. It must be fought in your family, your town, your state. And with allies we might not otherwise find acceptable.

The cuckservative caucus can manage to get along with traitors and monsters. They are unified in their lies and evil. Hell is unified under Satan.

The three great things, Truth, good, beauty, need Unity or they are in vain.

There are lines to be drawn - it is too much to ask everyone endorse everything done by anyone, but there is a "we disagree on this" - but disfellowship is a worse sin. Because we perceive truth differently on the margin, we should not rip the seam of agreement running 95% of the length.

The moderates are anything but. Note how there are - stripping the nice words away - demands and ultimatums. "I demand you stop talking with the heathen!". The last thing they will do is agree to disagree.

There can be large, irreconcilable differences, yet support and wisdom as well from those we have those same differences with.

Blogger dienw December 26, 2015 9:19 AM  

@ 32 A literal reading of Galatians 3:28 could lead to the impression that the apostle Paul was A OK with Trannies,

No, it will not lead to that impression. You are making the same error the Churchians, goats, and wolves are making.

Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

The goats and wolves in the visible church are not one in Christ Jesus with those who believe on Him. Furthermore,the Spiritual kingdom of God is different than the physical.




Anonymous Ash Housewares December 26, 2015 9:24 AM  

That's a door that leads to 400 comments on this post, (200 of them purely sectarian and unedifying), but at least in my own experience, reformed churches are not more given to this kind of problem than other churches.

Agreed. HS sounds more like someone from one of the Holiness or traditionally fundamentalist denominations, or just someone who has been born again for 3 weeks now. This type of "don't touch, don't taste" legalism was much more prevalent two or three decades ago. Unfortunately, it's been replaced by a more clever legalism which is "radical, missional, restorative, emerging", etc. Frankly, I'd rather deal with the HS types because there's hope. We are all still trying to come to grips with the grace of God, but I've known enough people who over time realize there is more to the faith than "be careful little eyes what you see, be careful little ears what you hear". Any type of legalism can affect any denomination, but the reformed have generally held to ideas such as the doctrine of vocation and Two Kingdoms theology, which would promote and not discourage interaction with the world.

Blogger Nate December 26, 2015 9:44 AM  

"How terrible, that a Christian should speak of Aquinas, and Christian theology, and of the words of Jesus Christ himself, with an unbeliever! "

What else are we not aloud to talk about with atheists or gays? Seems to me he's suggesting that Christians can't be soccer fans.

Anonymous Faceless December 26, 2015 10:12 AM  

If in the presence of Barack Obama, after asking if I could pray for him, I would ask him what I could do for him. I question Mr Obama's religion.

If this guy cared to ask you, once sentence would have worked:

"Brother, is it right to be seen in league with this person?"

And he would have gotten the simple answer:

"He asked; I answered. We are to always be ready to answer when asked."

I have never met a person of genuine conviction of the depth of his depravity or the heights and measure of his salvation through Jesus Christ who could speak in such language about himself. Even "So you say you are Paul on Mars Hill?" Would have been less about his own self importance.

Anonymous Thought Police First Responder December 26, 2015 10:33 AM  

I really want to know what makes a person like HS tick. He either thinks you are an enlightened person in a righteous mission that knows what you're doing (and therefore he should avoid the policing bullshit) or he thinks you are completely misguided in which case he should just do his thing.

Unless he really thinks that he can help you go back to what he thinks is the path of righteousness, in which case he is insanely delusional and has no idea of how true thinkers and intellectuals operate. And if that is case HS, go read Summa contra Gentiles and lurk moar.

Anonymous Hans N. Franz December 26, 2015 10:38 AM  

@33 My experience in the South is that it's churches which have a strong personality cult around their pastor that are more given to this problem. Not sure if anyone else has observed this as well.

In the mid-west too in independent baptist/bible church/fundamentalist congregations. It seems that most churches in my area have polarized into either gnat strainers or camel swallowers, with very little in between.

Blogger tweell December 26, 2015 10:42 AM  

Fie on this Pharisee and his forked tongue! Our Lord Jesus and his saints have always urged us to spread the word of salvation, to TESTIFY to his love.

Anonymous Dave Gerrold's Cabana Boy December 26, 2015 10:47 AM  

"Seems to me he's suggesting that Christians can't be soccer fans."

Amen brother, preach it! The effeminate are not counted among the brethren.

Anonymous VFM #0410 December 26, 2015 10:53 AM  

There are a few good people out there who do not call themselves Christians, who do not practice the religion and, indeed violate some of its tenets who, nonetheless, still seem to have something of the light of God in them.

I don't know how to explain it from a theological perspective. All I know is that saying one is Christian is insufficient, and that Churchians have lost that light. And it is not uncommon to see good men who put Churchians to shame outside the church itself.

I see Nero as having more grace than this HS fellow.

Blogger Bard December 26, 2015 10:57 AM  

Thought police first responder...that is a great name

Blogger praetorian December 26, 2015 11:40 AM  

Johnson always makes a Christmas post, has respect for the traditions, and is critical only in an intellectual sense. When does Johnson ever engage in anything other than civil debate and discussion so long as the interlocutor is in good faith?

Absolutely. His debate on Christianity, and his handling of it with Vox, was as generous as I've ever seen any non-believer be towards us. All the more admirable since a large part of Christendom condemns his lifestyle, which his identity is obviously tied deeply to, although he does not .

His latest:

https://secure.counter-currents.com/truth-justice-and-a-nice-white-country/

I see a danger in homosexual leadership on the new right, but it ain't from GJ, it's from guys like Jack Donovan: excellent analysis coupled with powerful rhetoric and a libido dominandi that emerges from/feeds into his lifestyle.

Blogger praetorian December 26, 2015 11:41 AM  

although he does not .

Arg!

although he does not flaunt it

Blogger VD December 26, 2015 11:57 AM  

although he does not flaunt it

I had no idea Mr. Johnson was gay until HS mentioned it. Nor would I have changed anything had I known.

OpenID malcolmthecynic December 26, 2015 12:21 PM  

VD: But the most important thing to keep in mind, and I think it’s something that can inspire seculars and pagans as well, and it’s something that I always enjoy telling atheists, because they say there are fewer Christians now in America than there were before and I always say, “Hey, we only need 11.”

No intelligent commentary here. I just want to applaud you for how awesome this line is. Seriously. Awesome.

Blogger Ignatius P. Garnet December 26, 2015 12:45 PM  

Since I started reading Counter-Currents about two years ago, GJ has been somewhat of a problem for me. I have agreed with most of his arguments on race and immigration, although I did need to uncuck myself through a steady diet of VD before I was ready to accept the tone and tenor of his book, 'Confessions of a Reluctant Hater', but his firm conviction that Christianity and race realism are intractably incompatible (i.e. that Christianity is the root cause of Egalitarianism) has caused me some intellectual distress. Frankly, discovering that he is homosexual (if he's ever mentioned that in any of the books of his that I've read, I have just forgotten it) is somewhat of a relief. Knowing that his intellectual critiques of Christianity are coloured by his preference for a pagan acceptance of sodomy - while not acting as a disqualifier of his views - will lessen, for me, the emotional impact of his arguments when weighing their truth content.

Personally, I cannot think of a better match-up than Vox and GJ to discuss these subjects. I would love to see a repeat of Johnson's earlier written debate (mentioned above), with Vox representing the Christian side.

Blogger random Earth dweller December 26, 2015 12:50 PM  

Is Greg Johnson gay?

Blogger random Earth dweller December 26, 2015 12:50 PM  

Is Greg Johnson gay?

Blogger Chris December 26, 2015 1:33 PM  

Of course I don't believe Paul was A OK with Trannies. I was using it yo illustrate how dumb the racial egalitarian reading of that same passage is. Ref. My earlier point that the biggest obstacle non Christians who wish to preserve the West have is the stupidity of Churchians, The idea that a Yoruba tribesman is the same as a German is just ad absurd as Bruce Jenner calling himself a girl. Jesus Christ is The Truth, He has created all things as they are, failure to acknowledge the truth of race or sex is ultimately a rejection of Him.

Blogger Sheila4g December 26, 2015 2:00 PM  

I've always found that the particular scripture @15 used as disqualify instead reminds me to beware whited sepulchres. There is ample sin in society at large and myself in particular. I like to think I judge myself more harshly than I judge others, but certainly the hypocritical sinner posing as a virtue-signalling Christian is far more deserving of being judged than the legitimately questioning pagan.

Anonymous redsash December 26, 2015 2:25 PM  

VD: This HS character seems more disturbed than Spooner, and probably more dangerous.

And all this time I thought the fruit of the Spirit was love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. HS appears to have found switches and coal under Christmas tree.

Anonymous redsash December 26, 2015 2:43 PM  

Perhaps our muslim invaders (strangers and not neighbors) should be robbed, beat up, and left for dead so that we could more accurately observe the parable of the good Samaritan.

Anonymous VFM#0265 December 26, 2015 4:28 PM  

Yeah, modern day Pharisee, Mr. HS. Churchian to the core. I liked that comment above re: no inner light and merely professing Christianity being insufficient. Well said.

OpenID denektenorsk December 26, 2015 6:18 PM  

Who is HS and why should I care what he thinks?

Blogger Were-Puppy December 26, 2015 7:13 PM  

@68 redsash

Perhaps our muslim invaders (strangers and not neighbors) should be robbed, beat up, and left for dead so that we could more accurately observe the parable of the good Samaritan.
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What's funny about that is in the parable I don't remember the robbers being mentioned again. Unless they were the guys doubling back across the crime scene as the ones who passed the guy by.

Blogger Neanderserk December 26, 2015 10:14 PM  

@VD: "I have to admit, I really, really struggle to not hate Gammas."

We are commanded to love one another, meaning other Christians. Not the world, but our neighbors. This asshole is not your neighbor; he's the Pharisee on the road. I don't believe you're Biblically required to love him.

This was a fantastic post. Thanks.

"[the Pope] apparently recently said there's no need to try to convert Jews."

That is the most anti-Jesus thing you could possibly say about the Man sent first to the Children (but they would not be gathered).

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY December 26, 2015 11:47 PM  

"Who is HS and why should I care what he thinks?"
you shouldn't. Trust me on this ......

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY December 27, 2015 12:09 AM  
















































































"I had no idea Mr. Johnson was gay until HS mentioned it. Nor would I have changed anything had I known
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Blogger totenhenchen December 27, 2015 1:47 AM  

So he's got a Scrabble dictionary. Whoop-de-fucknin'-do.

Anonymous Tunglet December 27, 2015 1:51 AM  

@VD "I think this Churchianity is absolutely evil. I think it is absolutely of the devil. I don’t think you even need to be Christian to pick up the scent of brimstone from it."

You have already won this one you know, as the honest Christians, and that is the majority, just need somebody like you, to say that it is OK to feel this way.

I'm nor sure if this is known or not, but the sin of the whore of Babylon, was priests pimping out the nuns to grow the church, an abomination so sick, it was reduced to a legend, and the where cuck insult based on the cuckoo, was removed from printed language. In the languages where the root were horn or goat based, cuckold insults were left to stay.

PS. This is of course just bullshit to sell the cuck meme.

Blogger totenhenchen December 27, 2015 1:57 AM  

So he's got a Scrabble dictionary. Whoop-de-fucknin'-do.

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