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Sunday, December 27, 2015

Manning and the HGH accusation

It wouldn't be surprising to hear that Peyton Manning resorted to desperate measures in order to get back on the field after losing his entire 2011 season. But the fact that his arm strength never returned would appear to be evidence against the accusation that he was using a banned substance as part of his recovery:
As part of the investigation, Collins connected with Charlie Sly, a pharmacist based in Austin, Texas, who worked at the Guyer Institute, the Indiana-based anti-aging clinic, in 2011.

Manning missed the 2011 season, when he was a member of the Indianapolis Colts, after undergoing neck surgery. In the documentary, Sly tells Collins, who is taking secret video of his interactions, that he was “part of a medical team that helped [Manning] recover” from the surgery. Sly alleges that the clinic mailed growth hormone and other drugs to Manning’s wife, Ashley Manning, so that the quarterback’s name was never attached to them.

“All the time we would be sending Ashley Manning drugs,” Sly says in the video. “Like growth hormone, all the time, everywhere, Florida. And it would never be under Peyton’s name, it would always be under her name.”

Manning and his wife also came to the clinic after its normal business hours for intravenous treatments, Sly tells Collins on the undercover video.

Manning left the Colts after the 2011 season to sign with Denver. The NFL banned human growth hormone as part of its 2011 collective bargaining agreement with players, but did not begin testing for it until 2014. No player has ever tested positive.
Full disclosure. I am now on a program of ingesting strange nutritional supplements myself. After spending an evening with Mike and Shauna in Spain, Spacebunny now has me drinking weirdly colored liquids that reportedly contain unfamiliar substances such as "beets" and "spinach" on a daily basis. I don't know if they're actually illegal or not, but they probably should be.

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44 Comments:

Blogger Keith December 27, 2015 5:23 AM  

Who cares? We ask athletes to do superhuman things, and recover like normal adults? Give them the juice.

Blogger Keith December 27, 2015 5:24 AM  

Peyton Manning's wife:

http://assets0.ordienetworks.com/images/user_photos/1222688/9c7bc9423ebb5b0684edc61f277c2590_rectangle_fullsize.jpg

Anonymous Nxx December 27, 2015 5:40 AM  

As any orthopedic surgeon will tell you prescribing growth hormone doubles or triples post op recovery rates. Denying it to people who have undergone surgery because of the NFL rule is simply criminal. The rule was never intended to exclude growth hormones from proper medical use.

Blogger Phillip George December 27, 2015 6:22 AM  

Lance Armstrong was in the "fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me" Fool me seven times, professional sports are stage managed hoax category.
Hyperbaric oxygen chambers' angiogenic properties and electrical nerve muscle stimulation aren't exactly 'normality'.
personal opinion but i think the line in the sand is 'synthesized' Versus 'synthetic'. If it can be synthesized titrated and published openly in sports medical journals and available for everyone's use it should be allowed. my opinion. Juice with open declarations and let the lawyers sort out the medical malpractice claims.



Blogger Cataline Sergius December 27, 2015 6:54 AM  

weirdly colored liquids that reportedly contain unfamiliar substances such as "beets" and "spinach" on a daily basis.

Good for your weight though. I have no appetite at all, after I drink one of those things.

Blogger VD December 27, 2015 7:07 AM  

I have no appetite at all, after I drink one of those things.

They are almost alarmingly filling. I can honestly say I'm not at all hungry after drinking one for lunch.

Anonymous Lord T December 27, 2015 7:09 AM  

In our topsy turvey world they can't be any good for you or they would be illegal.

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein December 27, 2015 7:12 AM  

*Sung to the tune of the Nationwide Insurance jingle*

"Ashley's got the HGH..."

Blogger Giuseppe The Kurgan December 27, 2015 7:27 AM  

VD,
After your dance-off surprise and this new revelation I assume it's only a matter of weeks before we see you issue the Vox Day Yoga-stretch special DVD in all sparkly spandex.

Blogger JACIII December 27, 2015 7:41 AM  

@9 - Flagrant Foul. Unsportsmanlike conduct. Offensive reference to yoga pants.

HAVE YOU NO SHAME SIR?

Blogger Emmett Fitz-Hume December 27, 2015 7:50 AM  

@9, @10

Well, Jareth the Goblin King could have pulled off the sparkly pants doing yoga. He's still evil. So, there's no reason why VD can't pull it off too.

But, as far as fouls go, it is pretty flagrant.

Blogger exfarmkid December 27, 2015 9:06 AM  

"They are almost alarmingly filling. I can honestly say I'm not at all hungry after drinking one for lunch."

Perhaps...because of nausea?

This is just wrong. Saute the spinach. Bake the beets.

Anonymous 185 December 27, 2015 9:55 AM  

Spacebunny now has me drinking weirdly colored liquids that reportedly contain unfamiliar substances such as "beets" and "spinach" on a daily basis.

The Supreme Dark Lord has been cucked.

Blogger Were-Puppy December 27, 2015 9:59 AM  

"Full disclosure. I am now on a program of ingesting strange nutritional supplements myself. After spending an evening with Mike and Shauna in Spain, Spacebunny now has me drinking weirdly colored liquids that reportedly contain unfamiliar substances such as "beets" and "spinach" on a daily basis. I don't know if they're actually illegal or not, but they probably should be."

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Yipes! I just got a giant pack of all these powders and liquids and God knows what as a supplement. Took one full day of it and it basically turned into Montezumas Revenge XD.

Don't know if this stuff is suppose to help by making you healthier, or by killing you off and putting you out of your misery :P

Blogger Were-Puppy December 27, 2015 10:03 AM  

@8 TontoBubbaGoldstein

*Sung to the tune of the Nationwide Insurance jingle*

"Ashley's got the HGH..."
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To the tune of the State Farm Elvis:

"Like a good pusher, Ashley is theeeerrrrreee"

Blogger SS December 27, 2015 10:47 AM  

Guess there's less crossover of readers for JuiceBro and VD than I thought

Blogger Cinco December 27, 2015 10:55 AM  

So, I recently tried an experiment. My normal max bench for for most of my life was 275. For 5 months I ate double portions for 3 times a day, no protein, no creatine, no HGH, no roids, totally clean. My bench sky rocketed to 360 inside of five months. Keep in mind that I am 34, going on 35 so I am past my prime. But I will never go back to protein shakes twice a day, I No longer believe in the efficacy.

Now I am no expert on all natural smoothies, but if any of you ever come near me with beets, we will fight to the death.

Anonymous 185 December 27, 2015 11:00 AM  

Cinco, how much weight did you gain?

Anonymous Pax_Romana December 27, 2015 11:11 AM  

I like the taste of pickled beets and I eat spinach out of a bag. I once drank them juiced (there was ginger in the concoction, as I recall), and I could not stand the taste, texture, or the distinct shrivel of my testicles as I drank it.

If you have been able to do this for any period of time, I applaud your determination and testicular fortitude, Supreme Dark Lord.

Anonymous Anonymous December 27, 2015 11:14 AM  

Spacebunny now has me drinking weirdly colored liquids that reportedly contain unfamiliar substances such as "beets" and "spinach" on a daily basis.

Didn't a chain eatery have a 'spinach problem' a year or so ago?
-titus a.-
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Blogger Cinco December 27, 2015 11:14 AM  

@18 I went from 205 to 219, pretty much all lean muscle.

Blogger Polynices December 27, 2015 11:15 AM  

Did Spacebunny recently increase your life insurance coverage? She's probably trying to kill you with that vegetable crap.

Anonymous 185 December 27, 2015 11:30 AM  

@20 Nice.

Anonymous Dave Gerrold's Cabana Boy December 27, 2015 11:59 AM  

I don't have a problem at all with these guys using HGH especially post surgery, and frankly do not have a problem with them using anabolic steroids under supervision either. Both of these function to shorten recovery times...which is what really ends careers in the NFL for most guys in their early 30's : 7 days off really needs to be 10 for guys older than 32-33. HGH and test are both relatively safe for males with mature endocrine systems (over 23-25) media hype and "common wisdom" notwithstanding. Millions of guys on HRT, think Axiron or Androgel, with no problems when under supervision.

Anonymous Dave Gerrold's Cabana Boy December 27, 2015 12:02 PM  

I would add, that HGH testing is a joke...you basically need to test someone within 24 hours of taking it, and even then there are some dubious assumptions underlying the determination of exogenous vs endogenous HGH

Blogger Guitar Man December 27, 2015 12:06 PM  

Manning did it, but it isn't a big deal. I hope the NFL hires Ted Wells to investigate this accusation to the fullest extent. I'm curious to read texts and emails between PEDton and his wife.

Anonymous No Fun Guy December 27, 2015 12:16 PM  

the pharmacist involved in the report, Charlie Sly, recanted his story, per ESPN. The Al Jazeera story alleges Sly provided Manning with HGH and sent it to him using the quarterback’s wife’s name on the shipping label. “When I realized Al Jazeera was using a secret taping and (reporter Liam) Collins as a so-called investigative reporter, I was baffled,” Sly told ESPN. “I cannot believe that can happen. That’s why I recanted the story. It wasn’t true and I was trying to pull one over on Collins to see if he had any idea of what he was talking about.”

Read more at: http://nesn.com/2015/12/pharmacist-who-linked-peyton-manning-to-hgh-tells-espn-he-lied/

Blogger Cui Pertinebit December 27, 2015 12:20 PM  

The first commenter speaks to my general loathing for sports culture in the modern world. "We ask athletes to do super-human things..."

No, we don't. Playing football is something that even children and Africans do. But many grown men, for some reason, wrap athletes in this shroud of awe and think of them as performing "super-human" feats. The reason men of yore felt betrayed by steroids, etc., is precisely because it perverts the game from being a proof of a man's (rather than a super-man's) character and prowess, showing what the mind and body can attain simply through discipline and hard work. I have more respect for any competent fighter or gymnast, than I do for the very best fun-fun-ball player. "Super-human" my a#@.

Blogger Guitar Man December 27, 2015 12:22 PM  

AJ is a bit more reliable than ESPN and other American news sites. Sly knows he's done for and is weaseling like a weasel. PEDton juiced.

Anonymous Dave Gerrold's Cabana Boy December 27, 2015 12:42 PM  

"The reason men of yore felt betrayed by steroids, etc., is precisely because it perverts the game"

This is baloney, steroids and HGH were perfectly legal and used for several decades in the NFL. They are still perfectly legal with prescription. They only became regulated because bodybuilders and a few high profile footballers went overboard. Lyle Alzado's bs claim that steroids caused his brain tumor in front of Congress helped them decide to make them prescription only in the US.

"showing what the mind and body can attain simply through discipline and hard work."

Spoken like someone who has no idea how PEDs like HGH and anabolics actually work. The primary benefit of both is that they shorten recovery times, and allow more workouts to be done over a given period of time. The common misconception is that one just "goes on the juice" sits on their ass, and suddenly gains 50lbs and adds 100lbs to all of their lifts. ABC after school specials aside, it doesn't work that way.

OpenID Jack Amok December 27, 2015 1:28 PM  

As any orthopedic surgeon will tell you prescribing growth hormone doubles or triples post op recovery rates. Denying it to people who have undergone surgery because of the NFL rule is simply criminal. The rule was never intended to exclude growth hormones from proper medical use.

It's like "Organic Farms" that can't ever give antibiotics to cows, even when the cows are sick and normal vet care would include antibiotics.

Personally, I think we ought to encourage pro athletes to use the latest meds and post-surgery (or injury) recovery techniques. What starts out as a way to keep aging quarterbacks on the field can eventually be perfected as a way to get a 50 year old guy back to normal after an injury. Quit making these guys hide everything they're doing, let it be public so the rest of us can watch and learn what works and what goes really wrong.

Anyway, the story seems dubious. Sending the HGH to Manning's wife is supposed to totally baffle everyone and throw them off the trail? Sheeesh.

Anonymous Eduardo the Magnificent December 27, 2015 2:02 PM  

So....is the media going to go all-out to try to tarnish Manning's legacy like they did Brady? Are they going to put an asterisk next to his all records? Or will this be swept under the rug like his playoff record?

Blogger David-2 December 27, 2015 2:07 PM  

Some people have been eating "spinach" and "beets" for a long long time - it's some kind of underground thing, but the side effects are limited and well known.

What you have to watch out for is this new stuff, "kale", that's going around. It's of unprecedented strength, who knows what it actually does to your body, and there are advocates putting it in your food _everywhere_!

Blogger bob k. mando December 27, 2015 2:10 PM  

30. Jack Amok December 27, 2015 1:28 PM
Sending the HGH to Manning's wife is supposed to totally baffle everyone and throw them off the trail?



yeah, it would have been a lot more believable if they had sent the HGH to Manning's veterinarian.

Blogger D. Lane (#0067) December 27, 2015 3:04 PM  

What you have to watch out for is this new stuff, "kale", that's going around. It's of unprecedented strength, who knows what it actually does to your body, and there are advocates putting it in your food _everywhere_!

Please. Haven't you read any of the supplement/diet forums? The real bleeding edge stuff is kratom. It's so potent it can kill cancer and completely reverse aging. Second to none for gains.

Now, if you were to sprinkle some of that onto a serving of kale...

Anonymous Jack Amok December 27, 2015 3:44 PM  

I assume he has race horses, so, yeah.

Blogger Geir Balderson December 27, 2015 4:30 PM  

Ahh, nothing better than cooked spinach with butter and vinegar!! Could never get behind the kale or arugula.

Blogger bob k. mando December 27, 2015 6:10 PM  

35. Jack Amok December 27, 2015 3:44 PM
I assume he has race horses, so, yeah.



i said, "HGH". that's an acronym of "human growth hormone".

so, no, sending HGH to a veterinarian would still be fucking weird.

Manning would be looking for EGH, for his ... ahem ... broncos.

Anonymous Dead Dog December 27, 2015 6:43 PM  

Why can't you just drink blood, like a _normal_ Dark Lord??

Blogger Thordaddy December 27, 2015 8:52 PM  

In a completely degenerate society, it is clearly extremely degenerate to thwart one's degeneration.

Blogger Bone Daddy Dawg December 27, 2015 9:32 PM  

" the fact that his arm strength never returned would appear to be evidence against the accusation that he was using a banned substance as part of his recovery"

Doubtful; his impaired arm strength is presumably due to nerve damage, while HGH might have some small effect on the regrowth of nerves (and would certainly improve anabolism generally), I'd still expect that even taking large doses of HGH (and other anabolics) would have very little effect on the performance of Manning's injured arm.

A parallel would be the spine injuries 8-time Mr. Olympia Ronnie Coleman suffered toward the end of his career, which caused atrophy of his upper back even as he injected massive doses of HGH, anabolics, 'slin, etc.

Anonymous KoranBurningFaggot December 27, 2015 10:21 PM  

is the media going to go all-out to try to tarnish Manning's legacy like they did Brady?

The hunt for the great white rulebreaker. We will just ignore 10 kids gunned down in a NewOrleans BunnyPark playground because the shooters are black, makes it dog bites man.

Anonymous Dave December 27, 2015 10:29 PM  

@38 "Why can't you just drink blood, like a _normal_ Dark Lord??"

Heh, good question

Anonymous Discard December 28, 2015 2:28 PM  

Spinach worked for Popeye. The original can of whup ass.

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