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Thursday, December 17, 2015

Nationalist rising in the Netherlands

They are not "un-Netherlandish", they are defending the Netherlands, since their government has completely failed to do so.
Police had to fire warning shots into the air when thousands of Dutch protestors stormed the site of a planned asylum centre, shortly to open for 1,500 refugees.

The demonstrators went on the rampage in the small town of Geldermalsen last night in the worst riot of its kind in the Netherlands since the refugee crisis began.

A planned discussion about the imminent arrival of the migrants, staged by the town council, was abandoned in the chaos as the mob outside tried to storm the building. Councillors were forced to flee out of rear exits into police vans. Fences around the planned asylum camp were smashed down or cut through in the rioting. Police were pelted with bottles and fireworks before they drew their firearms and fired warning shots into the air.

The crowd shouted 'no niggers here!' and 'foreign scum keep away!' and left the town hall looking like a 'battlefield' with broken windows and chipped brickwork.

Running skirmishes between youths and the police went on until the early hours of Thursday morning.

The mayoress, Miranda de Vries, said she was shocked at the violence caused by an estimated 2,500 people in the town of 27,000 that lies near the city of Utrecht.

It was by far the biggest and the most violent outbreak of anti-immigrant sentiment in the country.

Deputy justice minister Klaas Dijkhoff responsible for managing Holland's intake of refugees, called the protestors 'un-Netherlanderish'.
As Instapundit notes, when ten percent of the population is rioting, it is no longer a fringe phenomenon. Since the EU ruling class has made it very clear they will not respect the democratically expressed will of the people, it falls upon the people to express their will by other means.

This, again, is why I am amused by Americans ignorantly pronouncing the imminent death of the European nations due to multiculturalism. Everywhere from Italy to Finland, including the famously tolerant Netherlands, nationalists are not merely talking about the government-assisted invasion of their nations, they are taking action.

Americans, on the other hand, aren't doing anything at all, beyond flirting with the idea of possibly voting for Donald Trump. If, you know, that's not considered too declasse by their social circles.

Meanwhile, over 100,000 Syrians have been settled in the USA:
A proposal to admit 10,000 Syrian refugees to the United States has ignited a bitter debate in Washington, but more than 10 times that number of people from the embattled country have quietly come to America since 2012, according to figures obtained by FoxNews.com.

Some 102,313 Syrians were granted admission to the U.S. as legal permanent residents or through programs including work, study and tourist visas from 2012 through August of this year, a period which roughly coincides with the devastating civil war that still engulfs the Middle Eastern country.

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155 Comments:

OpenID paworldandtimes December 17, 2015 11:38 AM  

"Running skirmishes between youths and the police went on until the early hours of Thursday morning."

This is the first time I've seen the media refer to Whites as "youths." This is a good thing.

PA

Anonymous Anonymous December 17, 2015 11:43 AM  

For years I've cheered on the efforts of the EDL and its offshoots but I witnessed no gains for their troubles. I doubt that others will have a different outcome.

OpenID elijahrhodes December 17, 2015 11:44 AM  

Americans, on the other hand, aren't doing anything at all, beyond flirting with the idea of possibly voting for Donald Trump. If, you know, that's not considered too declasse by their social circle.

That could change pretty quick once a nuke or McVeigh style bomb goes off.

Blogger kurt9 December 17, 2015 11:46 AM  

The various European peoples have to riot and take control of their societies by other means. The unelected EU Mandarins are not about to give in without and fight. Since the EU Mandarins are not elected, they consider themselves not to be accountable to their people. They are loyal only to whatever half-baked social engineering schemes they convince themselves are right and proper to do. The EU has to be dismantled and the Mandarins removed from power.

Blogger VD December 17, 2015 11:48 AM  

I suspect it is because the European peoples don't believe that their governments will actually turn on them in the end. The American people know their government will.

Blogger John Wright December 17, 2015 11:49 AM  

"This, again, is why I am amused by Americans ignorantly pronouncing the imminent death of the European nations due to multiculturalism."

Ho ho. Perhaps they mean the phrase "death of European nations" in a more literal fashion, as the passing of a people rather than of a legal structure. The word 'nation' originally mean all men of common decent who speak the same language. If all the Romance language, Slavic and Northern tongues are fated to be replaced by the wailing prayer call from the minarets ...

Blogger LonestarWhacko December 17, 2015 11:55 AM  

I'll believe they're serious when they start assassinations. That's when the elites will flee. Do you think that mayor would have gone along with this if she knew she would get killed?

Anonymous old man in a villa December 17, 2015 11:57 AM  

Nation, it's root word means "birth" and given that there's only one way that can happen, it still means a people connected by blood, relations.

My wife was adopted. Upon the birth of our first child she wept and said in the happiest voice I have ever heard, "He is the first person related to me by blood that I have ever known."

Do not underestimate that powerful bond.

Blogger VD December 17, 2015 11:59 AM  

I'll believe they're serious when they start assassinations.

There has already been one attempt, in Germany.

Blogger Anthony December 17, 2015 12:05 PM  

"Dutch anti-rape protesters stormed..."

FIFY

Blogger Cogitans Iuvenis December 17, 2015 12:12 PM  

Americans, on the other hand, aren't doing anything at all, beyond flirting with the idea of possibly voting for Donald Trump. If, you know, that's not considered too declasse by their social circles.

Well in places like Washington, New York and Connecticut they have been outright defying unconstitutional gun laws. Small actions but nonetheless I'll take them.

Blogger FP December 17, 2015 12:15 PM  

Other clips on youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yWDXIJeksg

This one has a muslim chick speaking as protesters start to attack:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqK_kZdpMVI

Look at them all flee out the back.

Anonymous Bz December 17, 2015 12:18 PM  

Excellent news, I'm heartened.

Anonymous Blotto December 17, 2015 12:20 PM  

It took Spain and Portugal some 700 years to resolve there Muslim problem. During this time Muslims left their genetic imprint on the natives. Now they have a Muslim problem once again.

Blogger Student in Blue December 17, 2015 12:22 PM  

@John Wright
Ho ho. Perhaps they mean the phrase "death of European nations" in a more literal fashion, as the passing of a people rather than of a legal structure.

That's not much of a defense of the clueless Americans, John, nor a clarification. It's far more likely the governments will topple than genocide of the European people, so clinging to the former definition is far more generous.

Anonymous BigGaySteve December 17, 2015 12:26 PM  

That could change pretty quick once a nuke or McVeigh style bomb goes off.

On 10-12-2013 the food stamp system failed for 8 hours in 16 states, viral chimp out videos can still be found on youtube despite being the kind they ban people for posting. It even made a couple of puffs wake up. If someone hacked it to not go off on the beginning of the month every die verse city would be torn apart by the free stuff army.

Anonymous BGS December 17, 2015 12:28 PM  

"death of European nations" in a more literal fashion, as the passing of a people rather than of a legal structure.

If it gets that bad even puff will be poisoning people. I know a STR8 married woman prepper who purposely grows hemlock.

Blogger Sam Lively December 17, 2015 12:35 PM  

@5

This and we don't have the same bloody history of expelling foreign invaders from our midst. We are a nation of conquering Normans. We beat the Indians. We imported Africans en masse and enslaved them. We bought out the French. We beat the Spaniards and the Mexicans. We beat our would-be defectors in the South. We occupied Europe and Japan. We crushed Russia.

The closest thing we have to a pertinent battle cry is "the British are coming," which already got co-opted and spun positive by rock and roll.

At a fundamental level, we don't take the threat seriously.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar December 17, 2015 12:35 PM  

Vox here in America we don't protest. This is the land of John Wayne. We take a look and see, then we grab our guns and the enemy either flees or goes away permanently. We really are trigger-happy Cowboys you know. Its the American Way.

Anonymous WillBest December 17, 2015 12:36 PM  

Its still way too many but the US has only allowed 42,000 Syrians to make their home here in the last 4 years. The other 60,000 came in on temporary visas and may or may not have left.

I suspect it is because the European peoples don't believe that their governments will actually turn on them in the end. The American people know their government will.

Its a safe bet. 1) Their government police/military doesn't have the same amount of tech the US does; 2) Their police and military members have much more in common with the citizenry; 3) For all their leaders faults they are still French/Italian/etch

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I will say the US has a much smarter process about it. They outsource the refugee resettlement to the Catholics and Lutherans, who then only place them a hundred or so in a location... 1500 refugees in a town of 27,000 what idiot thought that up.

Blogger Skylark Thibedeau December 17, 2015 12:36 PM  

In Denmark a vote on 12/03 to adopt a more UK footing with the EU was barely turned back in favor of the status quo and the close vote was blamed on the flood of 'refugees'. In the meantime Danish SJW's are complaining the 'Syrians' in their midst might be a little hungry as the Stipend they receive (Government check) is not enough to pay fr three meals a day(They forget the Muz don't drink beer and aquavit with meals like good Vikings). Also noted is that one fourth of Danish males born since 1965 have a criminal record (what percentage of those frequent the local Kabob establishments?).

OpenID genericviews December 17, 2015 12:38 PM  

That could change pretty quick once a nuke or McVeigh style bomb goes off.

You just aren't paying attention. After 9-11, not a single mosque was burned. No Moslems were hung from lamp posts. None of their homes were set afire. Rocks were not thrown through their windows. Their children were not forced to stay home from school out of fear of reprisals. Instead, their political action groups were invited into the government to help Americans be more accepting. Before that, a McVeigh style bomb DID go off. By McVeigh. Result: Nothing. Even the people who believed in the mysterious third accomplice, did nothing to get even with Moslems, immigrants, or bad people of any sort.

Blogger Skylark Thibedeau December 17, 2015 12:46 PM  

Also mass brawl Between Vikings and Refugees during a school Football (Soccer) match in Jutland. http://cphpost.dk/news/mass-brawl-at-jutland-primary-school-last-week.html

Anonymous 185 December 17, 2015 12:46 PM  

Borders need to be redrawn almost everywhere around the world, except maybe Europe.

Anonymous That Would Be Telling December 17, 2015 12:46 PM  

@20 WillBest:

I will say the US has a much smarter process about it. They outsource the refugee resettlement to the Catholics and Lutherans, who then only place them a hundred or so in a location... 1500 refugees in a town of 27,000 what idiot thought that up.

The village built an industrial park and no one came, selling it for this was a Hail Mary pass to avoid bankruptcy.

Anonymous 0007 December 17, 2015 12:53 PM  

WILLBEST@20 - Yeah, but the repukes just fully funded the white house nogs' immigrinvasion request which pretty much means as many as he can bring in. As has been said elsewhere, "we ain't voting our way out of this."

Blogger Starbuck December 17, 2015 12:56 PM  

I am guessing that this news won't be on the 5 o'clock news tonight...

Blogger Cogitans Iuvenis December 17, 2015 12:57 PM  

"Borders need to be redrawn almost everywhere around the world, except maybe Europe"

Catalonia, a significant portion of Scotland and many other places would disagree.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 December 17, 2015 12:57 PM  

Do multiple people write for Vox Popoli? Because sometimes VD's tone really jumps around.

Blogger Starbuck December 17, 2015 1:01 PM  

Kind of a spaz isn't he...

Anonymous 185 December 17, 2015 1:05 PM  

@29 Catalonia, a significant portion of Scotland and many other places would disagree.

For sure. Probably parts of Belgium, too. But in general, the nations of Europe are pretty solid, e.g. France, Germany, Italy, and most of Spain!

Blogger John Red Eagle December 17, 2015 1:07 PM  

Here's a march from Poland a few days ago. They don't mince their words.

https://youtu.be/vutYHEgb36M

Blogger VD December 17, 2015 1:15 PM  

Do multiple people write for Vox Popoli? Because sometimes VD's tone really jumps around.

Shhhhh....

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 December 17, 2015 1:20 PM  

@33

This morning you were crowing about Trump being pronounced the nominee (I'm willing to accept that Simon is probably right). And now it's "beyond flirting with the idea of possibly voting for Donald Trump"

Is Trump getting this far a big thing, or not? I agree that it's not the same as literally attacking a refugee center (that was mercifully empty), but given the actual state of things, it seems like the American equivalent to me.

Blogger Cogitans Iuvenis December 17, 2015 1:24 PM  

@185

To be fair, perhaps this growing nationalism due to the influx of refugees might lesson the regional nationalism in those countries as well.

Blogger LonestarWhacko December 17, 2015 1:32 PM  

I might not have made myself clear. A knife attack really doesn't cut it. Careful planning, and using something a little more forceful. Mr .308 comes to mind.

Blogger dienw December 17, 2015 1:32 PM  

5. VD

I suspect it is because the European peoples don't believe that their governments will actually turn on them in the end. The American people know their government will.

Exactly, despite all the silly statements that the cops or the soldiers will never turn on their own people.

Blogger LonestarWhacko December 17, 2015 1:33 PM  

I might not have made myself clear. A knife attack really doesn't cut it. Careful planning, and using something a little more forceful. Mr .308 comes to mind.

Blogger LonestarWhacko December 17, 2015 1:33 PM  

I'll believe they're serious when they start assassinations. That's when the elites will flee. Do you think that mayor would have gone along with this if she knew she would get killed?

Anonymous VFM#71 December 17, 2015 1:33 PM  

@18 Oh, I don't know about that. "Liberty or death" has always struck a cord with me.

Blogger Jourdan December 17, 2015 1:36 PM  

Given the large number of blacks, latinos and foreigners in the ranks, hell yes the U.S. Army would fire on European-Americans. There is no doubt about it.

Anonymous patrick kelly December 17, 2015 1:37 PM  

How many Syrians, Muslim or not, involved in LA? Paris? None that I can tell.

The Dane's and the rest of EU are mostly having problems with Moroccans or other north Africans, not Syrians. Even ISIS is not primarily Syrian, they are attacking Syria.

OpenID obsoleteman December 17, 2015 1:38 PM  

During a conversation with a friend and Tae Kwon Do instructor, he mentioned how he con no longer say Happy Halloween, or even Happy Holidays, because of the diversity of faith and culture.
I left him thinking about how those who immigrated around the turn of the 20th century wished to become Americans and adopt our culture and traditions as their own. Even my friends parents, who came from Korea in the 1970's taught their kids English-instead of Korean.
Now there are microcosms of different cultures, virtually self-sustaining, that have no perceived desire to integrate.
A 10 year immigration moratorium is what is needed. Along with expelling all illegals, Visa holders, etc.
How would I answer the bleating SJW's, the fair minded imbeciles talking about the "melting pot" and my ancestors were immigrants?
Easy: we are facing an existential threat from terrorists who are using some of our ideals against us. We are also facing an existential threat from criminals illegally entering our country. THEY ARE TO BLAME; not me.
I know; I'm telling you water is wet. Unfortunately MPAI and cannot even recognize thing for what they are.

Anonymous That Would Be Telling December 17, 2015 1:41 PM  

@41 Jourdan:

Given the large number of blacks, latinos and foreigners in the ranks, hell yes the U.S. Army would fire on European-Americans.

How many of them, at what percentage, are at the sharp end of the spear? How many of them are Mostly Harmless Jessica Lynch types? (Certainly not all, but....)

Blogger Byron Grimes December 17, 2015 1:43 PM  

France has Gallicia. Those celts might like self rule.

Blogger Student in Blue December 17, 2015 1:44 PM  

A 10 year immigration moratorium is what is needed. Along with expelling all illegals, Visa holders, etc.

10 years is way too short for integration of any kind. Especially when there's already self-sustaining pockets of foreign culture.

Quebec's been around for far longer than 10 years, after all.

Blogger VD December 17, 2015 1:44 PM  

A 10 year immigration moratorium is what is needed. Along with expelling all illegals, Visa holders, etc.

You're simply bleating yourself. The core problem is not the illegals. 5/6ths of the invasion is entirely legal. Unless and until you accept the necessity to repatriate legal aliens, even citizens, you have surrendered to the New America.

Anonymous Mr. Rational December 17, 2015 1:46 PM  

@41 Most of those are REMFs.  They're allegedly trained as riflemen, but that doesn't mean they won't get their asses blown off by Good Old Boys with their scoped deer rifles.

Blogger John Red Eagle December 17, 2015 1:47 PM  

@12 FP

Those videos are good, powerful. The still shots from the Dailymail article don't come close to capturing the energy and raw anger of the protesters.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper December 17, 2015 1:47 PM  

A couple of other thing about US vs Europe

1st, the US tends to think more in tech than in will. We invest in guns, Europeans invest in guts

2nd The US doesn't have a victory condition that doesn't cost WW2 level deaths and end in the dissolution of the union.

Let me explain that.

In Europe nationalist win is foreigners are out, that is all it takes and the details of how the State should operate can stay in place. Heck the existing bureaucracies so long as they cooperated with the new regime and faked being nationalist enough could stay in place. It really doesn't matter. Foreigners out = Victory

The US has no real victory conditions of any kind, We disagree so fervently on social issues and economic systems and the role of religion that there really is no reason that say the coastal elite belong in the same polity with us

Functionally the "winning" side of ACW 2 get a ruined country and either a small homogeneous chunk of the old empire or a large hostile population in his own borders.

Excluding foreigners an EU wide revolt if such a thing happened might kill a few million at most.

A US wide one would result in 60-100 million dead.

Third, we do have a revolutionary class but none of the of then are interested in actually ruling.

The Libertarian ethos has its place but in a revolution, we can't all be Cincinnatus or go home to Monticello.

Someone has to rule, to govern and to manage and to put boots on necks.

No one wants to do this and as such, they can't rule.

Blogger Student in Blue December 17, 2015 1:48 PM  

@LonestarWhacko
I might not have made myself clear. A knife attack really doesn't cut it.

An assassination attempt is an assassination attempt, regardless of the weapons used.
A knife kills someone just as dead as a gun.

Trying to reclassify what qualifies as assassination is just moving the goalposts.

Anonymous Susan December 17, 2015 1:48 PM  

So much of the left forgets that some of these nations have historical examples of their ancestors executing their monarchs and aristocracy. France and England come to mind.

If the left were sentient, they would be very afraid right now. Maybe even making some Nate style SHTF escape plans too.

Blogger Jourdan December 17, 2015 1:53 PM  

@49 - I disagree. The room wasn't even evacuated and no one is particularly concerned, and no one is certainly "running" anywhere.

OpenID elijahrhodes December 17, 2015 1:59 PM  

You just aren't paying attention. After 9-11, not a single mosque was burned. No Moslems were hung from lamp posts. None of their homes were set afire. Rocks were not thrown through their windows. Their children were not forced to stay home from school out of fear of reprisals. Instead, their political action groups were invited into the government to help Americans be more accepting.

Yes, and middle easterners have been settling into Europe for a couple decades with little pushback. There always comes a tipping point. The U.S. after 9/11 was in shock. It knew little about radical Islam, and besides, the the 9/11 attackers were Saudis, not Minnesotans. Why would they raise mosques in the U.S.? Since then, attitudes have quietly and steadily changed. People are pissed off now in a way that I haven't seen before.

Before that, a McVeigh style bomb DID go off. By McVeigh. Result: Nothing. Even the people who believed in the mysterious third accomplice, did nothing to get even with Moslems, immigrants, or bad people of any sort.

That's a non-sequitor. McVeigh wasn't muslim and he wasn't representing anyone except himself and a few of his compatriots. Who exactly were Americans supposed to get even with?

Blogger Salt December 17, 2015 1:59 PM  

[police] drew their firearms and fired warning shots into the air.

Any bets the Dutch are arming up? Soon, they won't be warning shots... on either side.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian December 17, 2015 1:59 PM  

29. White Knight Leo #0368 December 17, 2015 12:57 PM

Do multiple people write for Vox Popoli? Because sometimes VD's tone really jumps around.
30. Starbuck December 17, 2015 1:01 PM

Kind of a spaz isn't he...


And here I was staring to think that Leo was our own Starbuck under a new handle or perhaps his lost brother.

The styles are very similar other than Leo is perhaps more strident and more convinced on topics generally speaking.

Or perhaps that exchange was just a cover?!?! Ha.

Blogger Elocutioner December 17, 2015 2:03 PM  

Via Gateway Pundit and Fox News:
"A former Baltimore police officer who served with accused officers in the Freddie Gray trial told Megyn Kelly Wednesday that prosecutor Marilyn Mosby is engaged in a "cop hunt" and that officers are leaving "left and right.""

When the anti-cop dindu movements started gathering steam I expected this in every big city. I haven't done all my prereq reading - is this sort of thing covered in any of 4GW books?

Blogger Salt December 17, 2015 2:03 PM  

Americans, on the other hand, aren't doing anything at all

That might be more of a density thing. I don't think any one state has an equivalent invasion force within its borders like Germany, ~Netherlands, or Finland.

Blogger David-093 December 17, 2015 2:08 PM  

"Americans, on the other hand, aren't doing anything at all, beyond flirting with the idea of possibly voting for Donald Trump. If, you know, that's not considered too declasse by their social circles."

You've been out of the United States for too long. The media is not the sum total of American responses. The fact is, if 10 percent of the American population was Muslim, instead of 0.8%, there would already be riots. Mexicans are not Muslims; it took 50 million of them here to trigger a response, since it's difficult for people to immediately notice the subtle, indirect methods the elites are using to displace the American people. Mexicans are not as antagonistic to the host society as Muslims are, but in part thanks to Trump and Ann Coulter highlighting the enormous crime problem the American conversation has completely changed.

Violence against the American government is a dangerous proposition. Our government WANTS to start killing Americans, and the people know it. The CIA, DHS, DIA, FBI, and all the others are preparing for that. Giving them what they want is a dangerous call that will trigger a civil war. It's different for Europeans and understandable why Americans have not immediately revolted against their government.

Blogger David-093 December 17, 2015 2:09 PM  

"Do multiple people write for Vox Popoli? Because sometimes VD's tone really jumps around."

We are all Vox Day.

OpenID paworldandtimes December 17, 2015 2:10 PM  

McVeigh [...]. Who exactly were Americans supposed to get even with?

McVeigh WAS Americans getting even.

PA

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 December 17, 2015 2:11 PM  

@56

You can disagree with my opinions as you like, but I've never used a sockpuppet on any kind of social media or forum anywhere. I write either under my own name or under a handle very similar to the one I use here. If you see WhiteKnightLeo somewhere (I've also used variations of Goblin Knight when my preferred name is taken), it might be me.

I have no idea who the "Kind of a spaz" guy is. The only thing I was wondering about was whether VD actually thought that Trump was a big deal or not. Because in the span of a few hours we went from "Trump is the presumptive nominee!" to "Americans maybe will vote for Trump".

Both of those things can be valid, but juxtaposed together they sound like VD wrote them on different days. Both are things he might say, but a tone change like that in only a few hours struck me as uncharacteristic.

OpenID elijahrhodes December 17, 2015 2:16 PM  

McVeigh [...]. Who exactly were Americans supposed to get even with?

McVeigh WAS Americans getting even.


Without a doubt. Clinton and Reno are criminals and traitors. But that's not the majority view regarding Waco. Most Americans accepted the media account that the Branch Dividians were dangerous lunatics.

Blogger Stilicho #0066 December 17, 2015 2:19 PM  

European govts don't have the space to hide them as easily, plus they made the mistake of assuming the people had bought into the multiculti faith enough that they would welcome the mudslide. It does not seemed to have occurred to them that the Dutch who welcome free movement of other western Europeans might not welcome a deluge of Africans and mohammedans.

The American govt, however, is going to great lengths to hide the scope and especially the locations of the latest invasion.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 December 17, 2015 2:19 PM  

@60

Our government WANTS to start killing Americans, and the people know it.
The CIA, DHS, DIA, FBI, and all the others are preparing for that.

These both might be true, but the former does not follow from the latter. If revolutionary violence were in the offing, it would actually be the job of those agencies to stop it. A lot of people want to look at Waco, whether the original incident or the recent one, as proof that the government wants to crack down. But looking at government agencies as one big mass seems as invalid to me as looking at Americans as one big mass.

What we've got are justified and valid agencies following good policy mixed in with unconstitutional agencies pursuing insane policies, and it's getting hard to tell them apart, because each insane action tends to make the conspiratorial viewpoint seem more justified, so the justified actions become suspect.

So we have good cops who get savaged for defending themselves from thugs (aka Mike Brown) alongside cops who accidentally shoot a wreck survivor and get away with not saying anything. I saw the video of that girl who got arrested in the California school; it looked like that cop was justified to me.

How you view these incidents depends a lot on whose side you are inclined to take. Like the Tamir Rice shooting. It was absolutely insane for the two cops to stop literally right next to the guy who was reported as waving a gun around, so from that perspective it was unjustified. But Rice was waving around what appeared to be a real gun, and he went for it when the police showed. Toy gun or not, that's a good shoot.

I'm saying that our government is schizophrenic, not evil. It's actually more dangerous this way, because it makes it harder to tell who our enemies actually are.

Blogger John Red Eagle December 17, 2015 2:22 PM  

We disagree so fervently on social issues and economic systems and the role of religion that there really is no reason that say the coastal elite belong in the same polity with us

There's some truth to this. In Europe, if the nationalists win, most of the remaining lefties will eventually at least pay lip service to the new state of things - just as the east European communists did after the Soviet empire collapsed. Frankly, if things get really bad there, you'll see parts of even the multiculturalist left peel off and realign themselves with their own people, if only to survive.

In the United States, large swaths of the left *define* themselves by hostile opposition to absolutely everything this country is or has been. They've been building their own squishy sort of national cultural identity since at least the late 1960s. It is strongest in the elite, but notice how even the poorest and craziest internet SJWs see themselves as some sort of extension of that different, superior class. A hostile nation within the nation.

And here, the population of actual foreigners with either foreign or purely mercenary loyalties is far larger.

Blogger Salt December 17, 2015 2:22 PM  

The CIA, DHS, DIA, FBI, and all the others are preparing for that.

The numbers of weapons, and especially ammo, these soup enties have purchased is staggering.

Blogger dc.sunsets December 17, 2015 2:22 PM  

The deluded figure-heads who appear to rule are doing things that insure a reversal of their fortunes. The deep state people are all pursuing narrow self-interest even as they too grasp that their prior success has sown the seeds of their reversal as well.

An idea whose time is PAST, that is what openness, trust and multi-culti is. Its prior priests and acolytes feel the first chill of their reversal and it makes them shriek the louder.

The import of lots of Muslims at a time when social mood is set to amplify their urge to do violence is simply awaiting a threshold.

Every San Bernadino tips the scales a little farther. Not much more is needed.

Anyone who thinks the US populace would sit still for a tiny fraction of what is routine in the Mideast or Africa must never go to a shooting range.

Blogger Cloudswrest December 17, 2015 2:23 PM  

"This, again, is why I am amused by Americans ignorantly pronouncing the imminent death of the European nations due to multiculturalism. Everywhere from Italy to Finland, including the famously tolerant Netherlands, nationalists are not merely talking about the government-assisted invasion of their nations, they are taking action.

Americans, on the other hand, aren't doing anything at all, beyond flirting with the idea of possibly voting for Donald Trump. If, you know, that's not considered too declasse by their social circles."

Most if not all European nations are organic nations in the biological sense and will build up an immune response. America is a cosmopolitan clusterfuck, literally just like Frankenstein's monster.

OpenID elijahrhodes December 17, 2015 2:24 PM  

European govts don't have the space to hide them as easily

That's the critical distinction. You can fit the entirety of western Europe into half the land mass of the U.S. Immigration is much more diffused here, even if the percentages are greater.

Blogger dc.sunsets December 17, 2015 2:26 PM  

@67 Salt, if public, popular consent is lost, the people expected to hold those guns will in all likelihood turn the front sights in an unexpected direction.

This isn't like China. The reliability of people in government enforcement agencies is far from that certain.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 December 17, 2015 2:31 PM  

Americans are much more likely to engage in what Isabel Paterson called the "mass veto" than they are in violence. Hence the Trump vote.



Like this: http://buzzpo.com/times-up-after-60-days-guess-how-many-hi-capacity-magazines-californians-turned-in/

L.A. residents, smack dab in gun-controlled California, defied the high-capacity magazine ban en masse. Just flat-out ignored it. I don't know how many people in LA legally own guns, but in a city that size, which as much crime as it has? I'm guessing well in excess of 100,000. I wonder if any LAPD officers actually plan to arrest anyone. Or if this is going to be another SAFE Act "we're not actually going to arrest anyone" plans.

Anonymous redsash December 17, 2015 2:32 PM  

I was introduced to Bastiat's "The Law" by a Syrian Christian family practice doctor. Probably the most right wing person I've ever met.

Damn this government for placing me in the position of having to take up arms, to will to kill with abandon, those who war with my English Christian heritage and future posterity.

Anonymous Anonymous December 17, 2015 2:35 PM  

Dutchman here. Some additional info: The municipality of Geldermalsen consists of 27000 people. The VILLAGE of Geldermalsen consists of 12000 people. Basically they want to increase the amount of foreigners in the village by about 15%.

Secondly, it's done due to financial mismanagement. The municipality has in the past purchased land from farmers and what not for a new industrial range. After a couple of years not nearly enough companies have come there, so the municipality has to write off large amounts of money on the terrain. Building a refugee shelter would prevent that due to tax deduction or something. Link in Dutch: http://www.geenstijl.nl/mt/archieven/2015/12/geldermalsen.html#more

Basically, the municipality fucked up and will add another fuckup that will disrupt the village just to cover their asses. Now would be a good time to grab tar and feathers.

Blogger David-093 December 17, 2015 2:37 PM  

@ White Knight

“These both might be true, but the former does not follow from the latter. If revolutionary violence were in the offing, it would actually be the job of those agencies to stop it.”

Of course it follows. The first loyalty of each of these agencies is to the government. Do you seriously think that if a majority of American citizens decided that this government was illegitimate and did not represent their interests that the alphabet soup agencies would be right in stopping them? The government belongs to the American people, not the other way around, and certainly not to the intelligence apparatus that is itching for a conflict.

“A lot of people want to look at Waco, whether the original incident or the recent one, as proof that the government wants to crack down. But looking at government agencies as one big mass seems as invalid to me as looking at Americans as one big mass.”

Not everyone in these agencies is aligned with the federal government; there are many dissenters in the ranks. It's not a unified mass, but the leadership are universally against the American people.

“What we've got are justified and valid agencies following good policy mixed in with unconstitutional agencies pursuing insane policies, and it's getting hard to tell them apart, because each insane action tends to make the conspiratorial viewpoint seem more justified, so the justified actions become suspect.”

Which leads us back to the same problem: if you can't tell them apart, then they are NOT your allies. The good agencies may be good, but if the American people can't tell that then for all intents and purposes they're our enemies and should be viewed as such. The American people (and I use that term very precisely) instinctively expect their government to not be on their side, but in recent years that opinion has changed to “this government is my fucking enemy and will kill me or put me in a camp if it got the chance”.

@Salt

“The numbers of weapons, and especially ammo, these soup enties have purchased is staggering.”

Yeah but we're the conspiracy theorists for noticing it. And by the way, pay no attention to the elites publicly, vocally, and without mincing words call for disarmament and population control. Not suspicious at all.

Anonymous Zondernaam December 17, 2015 2:41 PM  

Dutchman here. Some additional info: The municipality of Geldermalsen consists of 27000 people. The VILLAGE of Geldermalsen consists of 10586 people as of January 1st, 2015. Basically they want to increase the amount of foreigners in the village by about 15%.

Secondly, it's done due to financial mismanagement. The municipality has in the past purchased land from farmers and what not for a new industrial range. After a couple of years not nearly enough companies have come there, so the municipality has to write off large amounts of money on the terrain. Building a refugee shelter would prevent that from happening. Link in Dutch: http://www.geenstijl.nl/mt/archieven/2015/12/geldermalsen.html#more

Basically, the municipality fucked up and will add another fuckup that will disrupt the village just to cover their asses. Now would be a good time to grab tar and feathers.

Blogger Feather Blade December 17, 2015 2:46 PM  

@50 Why do you think that the dissolution of the union would be an undesirable outcome?

Each state has its own government. Should the Federal government fail, the state governments would be responsible for taking care of the people. Under that level there are the county commissions and city councils.

I.e. there are subsidiary government entities in the US which could and probably would do the "boots on necks" that you think necessary.

Blogger LonestarWhacko December 17, 2015 2:49 PM  

#51 Ain't moving the goalposts.....pay attention.....if you are serious about popping someone, you have to plan it out. A .308 is a good choice, as long as you remember body armor. Using a knife is ineffective, given the circumstances. At night, in the dark, yeah.....a bayonet is a good choice. Thing is this.....most folks won't fight, so those who will need to escape to do it again.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 December 17, 2015 2:49 PM  

@75

Do you seriously think that if a majority of American citizens decided that this government was illegitimate and did not represent their interests that the alphabet soup agencies would be right in stopping them?

Right? Absolutely not. But it would be their job. This would be one of those moments where professionalism would clash with morality and they would be obliged as a condition of their job to uphold bad laws.

That's what I'm talking about. You can decide what you want about the Constitutionality of the South seceding from the Union, but it actually was Lincoln's job to stop it, right or wrong. That much was established during the Whiskey Rebellion.



the leadership are universally against the American people.

There's definitely a lot of "this is my fiefdom and you are all my peasants" going on. But that's not the same thing as wanting to kill people. They'd rather we knuckled under and stopped complaining instead.


in recent years that opinion has changed to “this government is my fucking enemy and will kill me or put me in a camp if it got the chance”.

This is more likely to be the opinion of people who still fly Confederate flags (rightly or wrongly, even here in the South they are not a majority) than it is to be a general opinion. In the social circles I travel in, the opinions usually range from "the government is stupidly incompetent" to... well, actually that's the general range of opinion.

It's less assumptions of violent hostility and more assumptions of a general inability to tie their own shoes, much less protect anyone from anything.

Even the gun owners I know are less concerned about cops kicking in their doors than they are about the cops simply not being there when SoFla gets hit with a Ferguson riot. And we will, eventually.

It's less likely now; the Florida Sheriff's Assoc. has agreed to endorse the open carry bill after a few provisions were added to it.

Blogger Raggededge #0057 December 17, 2015 2:51 PM  

Thing is this.....most folks won't fight, so those who will need to escape to do it again.

Most people wont start a fight. However, my gut tells me once the shooting starts many will join in.

Blogger tz December 17, 2015 2:55 PM  

Much in Europe depends on guns. If the Dutch were armed, the police would have scattered. France discovered the Mosques were armories.
Nationalism will require the shedding of much blood - and that means being willing to shed it and have your blood be shed.

Anonymous That Would Be Telling December 17, 2015 2:55 PM  

@67 Salt:

The CIA, DHS, DIA, FBI, and all the others are preparing for that.

The numbers of weapons, and especially ammo, these soup enties have purchased is staggering.


That's the amount of ammo they could buy on an indefinite delivery/indefinite quantity (IDIQ) contract, and for the DHS it was mostly .40 S&W pistol ammo, not the first thing you'd reach for to capture armed people or put down a rebellion.

Every time I looked at the details of one of these contracts there was much less to it than hyped.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 December 17, 2015 2:59 PM  

@81

I don't know if I would say "armories", unless the French press was dramatically understating how many guns they have found. I was hearing about 100 "military guns" (most likely meaning AK-47s) in over 200 searches of mosques AND private homes. That's a fair number, but it's only an armory if they found those in just a few houses.

Of course, the rise of the FN might have caused them to do exactly that: understate the number of guns. If they found 100 guns in each mosque, that would be very, very bad politically for anyone who doesn't want the FN to win.

Blogger Artisanal Toad December 17, 2015 3:00 PM  

@73

Damn this government for placing me in the position of having to take up arms, to will to kill with abandon, those who war with my English Christian heritage and future posterity.

And that's the reason Americans are so slow to react. I think most people have an intrinsic understanding that when push comes to shove it's going to be an all out fight, so they avoid that first push for fear of where it will take them.

Unfortunately, all it would take is about 96 hours of plastic cards not working and we'd have a civil war. As BGS mentioned upstream (and Steve, I really liked koranburningfaggot, it has a certain je ne sais quoi to it), when Xerox corporation uploaded a few lines of bad code and the EBT card system went down in 17 states, there were chimp-out conditions in Louisiana within 12 hours, 14 hours in Mississippi. I remember writing about it at the time, that it really felt like a test run to see how fast things would go downhill.

I thought it was hilarious that when they brought the system back online they screwed that up and instead of returning an available amount the cards indicated an unlimited balance. Further chimp-out conditions ensued and mobs descended on WalMart to get as much high-value stuff as possible. WalMart, of course, took that one in the shorts on orders from Bentonville.

Blogger Raggededge #0057 December 17, 2015 3:01 PM  

Nationalism will require the shedding of much blood - and that means being willing to shed it and have your blood be shed.

Absolutely no issue for Europeans. Americans think of Europeans as liberal pussies, which they are, until they start killing each other. Then, katy bar the door because the slaughter will be unreal.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper December 17, 2015 3:13 PM  

@77 Its not up to me. I'd prefer a continent wide nation but I'd be fine smaller more homogeneous one.

So far though no one has purposed a better alternative to what we have , at least not one worth civil war and mega-deaths .

Anyway the idea that the nation needs to have a certain ethnic and cultural makeup is filtering down.

I've seen the "acid multi-cult" article referenced on Western Rifle Shooters for example and while they aren't representative or anyone but themselves they are a pretty good barometer of the revolutionary Right as is to a lesser degree Sipsey Street Irregulars

The Overton window will open to to the "need to be White POV" soon enough. Until then, active resistance is not warranted.

Also lastly various resistance, we've had armed protests near Mosques in Texas, militias practicing helo insertion and lots of passive resistance and non compliance . Its not a lot but its growing at a steady clip.

It takes a while to charge up though, we do have the time and if we get Trump, when he fails, he'll still buy us more.

Blogger Cataline Sergius December 17, 2015 3:14 PM  

The 100K number is about what I thought it was.

I only kept it to myself because it felt ridiculous. I mean it could not possibly be that high right?

Silly old Cataline.

Blogger Cataline Sergius December 17, 2015 3:14 PM  

The 100K number is about what I thought it was.

I only kept it to myself because it felt ridiculous. I mean it could not possibly be that high right?

Silly old Cataline.

Blogger Artisanal Toad December 17, 2015 3:14 PM  

@75

And by the way, pay no attention to the elites publicly, vocally, and without mincing words call for disarmament and population control. Not suspicious at all.

You should stop assuming their words should be taken at face value. It is an observable fact that every time calls for gun control go out the nation responds by buying more guns and ammo. The elites are not idiots and it is reasonable they have a plan. Ask yourself *why* they want the American public armed to the teeth.

I can think of a half-dozen ways to break the supply chain and the predictable result is the same across the board: the shooting starts quickly. Swarming is an effective LEO tactic when incidents are isolated, but when Bush's thousand points of light become thousands of muzzle flashes, it's over. Research how Yugoslavia went from a country at peace to a full-blown three-way civil war in about 30 days.

It should be assumed statements concerning gun control and confiscation are made to extract a predictable response from the polity rather than the elites showing their true colors.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 December 17, 2015 3:20 PM  

@90

The elites are not idiots and it is reasonable they have a plan.

I don't agree with this. There is no way that they could maintain that tight of a conspiracy with so many people for so long. It would not be the first time that our "elites" did something stupid when they had no plan. Unless you are seriously suggesting that the 1994 Democratic Congress intentionally passed a bill that got a good chunk of them voted out of office.

Blogger tz December 17, 2015 3:22 PM  

@50 @77
There is already the prep for ACW2.

There is a migration to/from the red-blue areas going on and accelerating.

(trigger warning)
In the local paper here, there was a two page spread with an image of a stained glass window, the story passage from Luke, with a huge heading "Keep Christ in Christmas", the bottom had dozens of business sponsors.

I doubt the Seattle Times will have anything similar.

Blogger horsewithnonick December 17, 2015 3:25 PM  

When I left work on May 18,1995, I walked out of the building a block north of the Murrah building, the one that is now a museum dedicated to the victims of the bombing. I lost friends that day. The day care on the second floor was clearly visible after hours - they left the lights on for the cleaning staff.

Why McVeigh did was inhuman, horrific - and you're absolutely right; this is what it will look like when Americans are pushed beyond their limits.

OpenID paworldandtimes December 17, 2015 3:26 PM  

Elites don't need to be stupid to start losing control of politics. They can simply lose faith in their mission and shift their focus to short-term opportunism over longer-term strategic goals.

PA

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 December 17, 2015 3:26 PM  

@90

Ask yourself *why* they want the American public armed to the teeth.

This would be an extremely dangerous gamble for them to make. Remember, they've been making this as personal and graphic as they can from the very beginning. A lot of anti-gunners have made a lot of very personal enemies among the pro-gun crowd. How long do you think it would be before someone took a shot at Bloomberg if our country actually did face a widespread collapse of the social order?

How many people would actually believe them if they started claiming that was the plan all along No one, that's how many people. Every single person they spoke to would think they were lying to save their own skin.

Blogger Raziel Walker December 17, 2015 3:34 PM  

@20 1500 refugees in a town of 27,000 what idiot thought that up.
The village of Oranje has a population of 150, despite protests the government decided to house 700 refugees in the town. Several months later it was proposed to double this to 1400!

@55 arming up? Any idea how difficult it is to get a gun permit (which are valid for 1 year)? You have to be member of a shooting club for at least a year (a club in the nearest town has a 6 month trial period before you can apply for full membership..), you need a government-issued 'certification of conduct'.

Anonymous Joe Blowe December 17, 2015 3:37 PM  

Americans, on the other hand, aren't doing anything at all

It simple geography and population distribution. European countries are not that big and many Whites are still concentrated in the cities with the 3rd World Hordes living in outlying suburbs. So when 1500 "refugees" are injected in to a city of 27,000 there are plenty of young male Whites that live there to form a quick reaction force. They are well motivated to protect their own neighborhoods.
The US is huge and years of forced integration has ethnically cleaned most cities of any size and many older suburbs of Whites. These "refugees" are put into these areas where White don't live. Whites are more geographically and socially isolated in suburban and rural areas. Direct actions by large groups of Whites, like the Tulsa Race War of 1921, are much less likely to occur. But as more 3rd Worlders are shipped in and more so-called minorities are put into White areas under Section 8 and other such schemes things will begin to boil over.

Blogger tz December 17, 2015 3:38 PM  

@84 Artoad - "96 hours of plastic not working". Good point, but it would not be civil war. It would be more like storming the Bastille. There would be riots, looting, and then it depends on how much of the grid comes up and how fast. Most chimp outs can't go beyond the Walmart Distribution Warehouse. And a bug out is different thing.

Katrina was localized, but a national failure is different.

Depending on the area and time of year (roads over passes in the rockies are few and often closed in winter), there won't even be an evacuation. Air can't do huge volumes. Could ships supply the coasts and rivers? Maybe, but is there ANY plan? All need fuel.

Blogger Student in Blue December 17, 2015 3:43 PM  

@78. LonestarWhacko
Ain't moving the goalposts.....pay attention.....

...and then you proceed to talk about something that wasn't your original point, as if it were your point all along.

That's called moving the goalposts.

Blogger John Red Eagle December 17, 2015 3:43 PM  

It is a mistake to assume that any human institution, our government included, is more monolithic and more competent than it actually is. Leaders of governments themselves routinely make this mistake, sometimes to their detriment, sometimes to their country's.

If it comes to fighting here, no doubt the alphabet soup Federal enforcement agencies will come down on the side of the government against the people. They've already shown they will. But there will be defectors.

Local police... some might. All that paramilitary training and equipment since the later Bush years could have no other purpose. On the other hand, the last few years have involved big-city leftist multiculturalist leaders doing almost everything in their power to alienate and demoralize their own police forces. Meanwhile, sheriffs and small-town police are a lot more likely to side with their neighbors and relatives than the Feds.

As for the US Military, anyone who thinks that tens or hundreds of thousands of random E1s-E4s are going to casually and obediently fire on American civilians, or even that all of their NCOs and officers would willingly give the orders, was never in the service. Some obviously would, yes, but attempting to use the military that way would more likely permanently fracture it, and be the path most likely to lead to a full-on civil war.

This is not an abstracted, theoretical argument. The core leadership of the Confederate army were resigned US Army officers. Governments throughout history have found the regular army, if there was one, to be an unreliable means to crush broad-based internal rebellion. This is why most autocratic governments have maintained more politically reliable forces selected either ideologically, or from outside the people they'd be called upon to crush.

Blogger Artisanal Toad December 17, 2015 3:48 PM  

@90

Congressmen and most senators are not the elites. They are the lapdogs of the elites, manipulated puppets who believe the briefings they receive. If you want to get an idea of who the elites are, go play with http://theyrule.net

This would be an extremely dangerous gamble for them to make.

You are thinking parochially. Look at the bigger picture.

If my goal were a nasty civil war that would take the US off the world stage I would very much want the population armed to the teeth prior to kicking it off. Why use nukes when you can let the Americans kill themselves? The major casualties in the first stage would be seniors, blacks, many hispanics and anyone who was in the wrong place at the wrong time. Figure around 50 million dead.

However, a break in the supply chain means the US is looking at mass starvation. Literally.

The elites' plan for generations has been one-world government, a world currency system, population reduction and total control of the remaining population. Break the US financial system and it triggers a world-wide derivatives meltdown that results in banks everywhere not knowing who owns what or owes what. World trade comes to a screeching halt as a result. With the US out of the way there would be a vacuum in the power structure that others would rush to fill (Russia).

Meanwhile, back in the US very bad things would happen. Any large gang could come up with a few hundred extra weapons, even if they were only pistols. Prisons were made to keep people in and it wouldn't be that difficult to crack open a prison. Figure a max-security prison with 1000 inmates anywhere in the old south, 3/4 of the inmates are black. That's a battalion of shock troops ready to inflict some serious hate and discontent on whitey, with plenty of combat veterans to salt the ranks.

I can easily see depopulation of entire regions ala' the 30 years war in Germany.

@81
Much in Europe depends on guns. If the Dutch were armed, the police would have scattered.

The police would have scattered if they'd had a wheelbarrow load of cobblestones and a few of these:

http://www.amazon.com/400-Balloon-Launcher-Balloons-Carrying/dp/B004FRZRZ2

It would take practice to keep from hitting your own people, but I've used one of these things to throw bricks for over 100 yards. It requires a high trajectory, but that's perfect to clear the mob up front. F=MA

Blogger Salt December 17, 2015 3:50 PM  

This is why most autocratic governments have maintained more politically reliable forces selected either ideologically, or from outside the people they'd be called upon to crush.

Supposedly, there's quite a number of foreign troops stationed here. Supposedly.

Blogger Student in Blue December 17, 2015 3:52 PM  

@John Red Eagle
On the other hand, the last few years have involved big-city leftist multiculturalist leaders doing almost everything in their power to alienate and demoralize their own police forces. Meanwhile, sheriffs and small-town police are a lot more likely to side with their neighbors and relatives than the Feds.

I've certainly noticed a marked difference in temperament and public acceptance between, say, local police, police from a larger city, and state troopers. It matches up with what you're saying.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 December 17, 2015 3:53 PM  

@100

When you start thinking at that level of conspiracy, it quickly becomes apparent that there's nothing you can do. So there's no reason not to proceed as though it isn't true.

It's like being told that a giant invisible asteroid will strike the Earth in 5 hours' time, obliterating all life on Earth. It might be true, but there would be nothing you could do if it was. So why not assume the Earth will go on spinning?

Blogger Lovekraft December 17, 2015 4:07 PM  

Couple mangina co-workers started on Trump bashing and I walked away. Remember Vox's declaration a month ago: there are no moderates anymore. Either you realize there's a war brewing and you choose a side, or you remain a simpering sheep, waiting for the barbarians to rape your women.

I walked away, daring them to start something with me. They didn't. Pu$$ies.

Blogger Lovekraft December 17, 2015 4:08 PM  

The desperation in their voices trying to fit reality with the multicult Canadian liberal narrative is amusing to watch.

Blogger LonestarWhacko December 17, 2015 4:11 PM  

Careful prepping will get you by for a while. Yeah, starvation is a weapon. Stalin used it in the Ukraine during the Holodromor. Best thing to do is to think in a medieval way. Secrecy, shelter, food and water. You can scatter a garden out to where it's hard to see. Here's the real thing.....you can't save everyone. Loose lips will get you killed for your food.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 December 17, 2015 4:20 PM  

@106

Luckily for me I live in a semi-rural area. I'm pretty sure most of my neighbors have at least one gun, and most of them have enough horticultural ability to have their own nicely maintained gardens. The lots are all at least a half-acre. So I'd be fine for a long time.

OpenID genericviews December 17, 2015 4:22 PM  

So why not assume the Earth will go on spinning?

Because if I only have 5 hours to live, I am definitely NOT going to work that day. If I only have 5 weeks to live, I'm probably not going to bother paying any of my bills either.

Anonymous That Would Be Telling December 17, 2015 4:31 PM  

The Instapundit linked to this relevant political joke, NSFWlite as a commentator put it.

Blogger David-093 December 17, 2015 4:32 PM  

"Supposedly, there's quite a number of foreign troops stationed here. Supposedly."

And we cant know that because this isnt our country anymore, as certain shitlibs have unwisely gloated.

Blogger Cataline Sergius December 17, 2015 4:35 PM  

@ John Red Eagle

We will know that the republic is down to the last quarter inch of circling the drain when the President Of the United States hires private security contractors to protect his life.

Not the best metric but it's mine and I stand by it.

Blogger John Red Eagle December 17, 2015 4:40 PM  

Vast, decades or centuries-long secret conspiracies assume much greater consistency, competence, and trustworthiness on the part of what would have to be large numbers of conspirators, than I've ever seen evidence of in human beings.

There have been and are now plenty of leaders, elites etc with bad intentions. The problem is in the execution. Secrets get out. Centralized plans have many, many ways to go wrong, and yet more so if people don't have a clue why they're working on them. Public campaigns work because lots of people get on board and keep things going. Decentralized Islamic terror works because it has known tenets and tactics that any Muslim can make use of, at any time they choose. SJW attacks don't need a central cabal pulling their strings to be dangerous.

The EU's campaign of Muslim immigration is definitely a plan of the leadership, regardless of the wishes of the people, yet it was not carried out in secret. It began with the Eurabian academics of the 1960s and 1970s. They made no secret at all of their goals, though they thought Europeans would pacify and civilize Muslims rather than the Muslims barbarizing Europe. Those that followed certainly lied about how well it was going. However, assuming everyone really knew what they were doing all along, as opposed to making crap up as they went, is another matter. And in fact, it is now blowing up spectacularly in their faces.

If someone believes the conspirators are demonic beings walking in human skin, Atlantean Illuminati mages, or aliens (and I've met those who believe each of these) then sure. What they conceivably could do is limited only by our imaginations. Of course, in those cases, there's no hope at all. Really, none. So what possible good would come of arguing about it online?

I do think a lot of our leadership are evil, but they're also human beings with all the failings that entails, and a fair number of them are idiots. That means we have possibilities.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 December 17, 2015 4:44 PM  

@108

Why? Obviously, if a doctor tells you that you've got cancer and are going to die in 5 weeks, then paying your bills would be stupid.

But I said giant, INVISIBLE asteroid. Your claims of a worldwide elite conspiracy are about on the same level: no human beings could do anything like that, which requires them to be unimaginably superhuman. They could possibly exist, but there's no good reason to think that they do.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 December 17, 2015 4:46 PM  

@112

However, assuming everyone really knew what they were doing all along, as opposed to making crap up as they went, is another matter. And in fact, it is now blowing up spectacularly in their faces.


This. "Never ascribe to malice that which is more easily explained by incompetence". Or hubris, as the case may be. It's fun to imagine a huge conspiracy, but the parameters of this one require you to believe that every single one of them is the intellectual equal of Bruce Wayne.

Want to face an army of Batman? Neither do I.

Blogger John Red Eagle December 17, 2015 5:03 PM  

@114

"Never ascribe to malice that which is more easily explained by incompetence". Or hubris, as the case may be.

Yes. The three aren't mutually exclusive of course, as anyone from the loftiest think-tank social engineer down to a garden variety SJW will readily demonstrate, given the chance. But alas for them, it is often incompetence that leaves the most lasting mark.

It's fun to imagine a huge conspiracy

Yes again. In many years of talking to conspiracy people, I've thought a big part of it for them was that it was exciting - a lot more interesting than the humdrum of mere human existence.

Blogger Student in Blue December 17, 2015 5:14 PM  

@John Red Eagle
Yes again. In many years of talking to conspiracy people, I've thought a big part of it for them was that it was exciting - a lot more interesting than the humdrum of mere human existence.

My take on it was, in addition to that, it was a lot simpler to think of one big variable behind everything, rather than a gigantic tangled mass of variables interacting with each other that eventually go in one direction.

It's easy to simplify. It's also easy for certain types of minds to over-simplify in the quest to make sense of everything.

Anonymous Joe Blowe December 17, 2015 5:20 PM  

"Never ascribe to malice that which is more easily explained by incompetence"

If the Judeo-Masonic Globalist Elite were merely incompetent then sometimes they would act in our benefit if only by accident.

The Manhattan Project was a secret conspiracy to develop the A-bomb. It involved hundreds of thousands of people and even secret cities built from scratch. It remained hidden from the public for years and the details for decades. Only the people at the top knew what was going on. The conspiracy for world government isn't even a secret. The Globalist Elites brag about it all the time and it's happening right in our face. The 3rd World invasion of Europe is part of the plan. But because the Corporate Media acts like its an accident or even a good thing the general public only reacts to at a visceral level and doesn't make the connection to an overall agenda, which is the planned destruction of Western, i.e. White, Civilization.

Blogger John Red Eagle December 17, 2015 5:26 PM  

@111 Cataline Sergius

We will know that the republic is down to the last quarter inch of circling the drain when the President Of the United States hires private security contractors to protect his life.

We're draining fast as is, but that would be a sign. The President already travels with an entourage and bodyguard on a scale that would have shocked 19th century Americans. The Secret Service didn't begin its function as a sort of Praetorian Guard until 1901.

If Obama had the competence and wherewithal to turn his comment about a civilian national security force into reality, or convert Organizing for America into the kind of revolutionary youth brigade it briefly threatened to be, that would have been another sign. Of course, self-appointed internet SJWs and campus crybully mobs already serve some of that function. So, we'll see.

Blogger ray December 17, 2015 5:30 PM  

"The mayoress, Miranda de Vries, said she was shocked at the violence caused by an estimated 2,500 people in the town of 27,000 that lies near the city of Utrecht."


Mayoress Miranda is shocked! Shocked I tell you! Why can't everybody live cocooned, uber-protected, ultra-privileged lives like Mayoress Miranda and her friends? Can't we all just Be Equal and live in Safety Bubbles?

And what are my Miranda Rights, anyway? Oh yeah, my rights are whatever Mayoress Miranda says today. Or President Merkel. Or President Erkel.


Rejection of God, mass immigration, mass abortion, financial criminality, legal destruction of fatherhood and family, corrupt ideological education, media, and social services. Etc. All came into being AFTER western nations became gynarchies.

I'm sure that Mayoress Miranda and her contemporaries worldwide have the situation well in-hand, however! Heck the Mayoress probly still has her My Daughter Was Valedictorian! bumper sticker on the beemer. Like GOP and Dem traitors here.

Blogger Artisanal Toad December 17, 2015 5:30 PM  

@112

The EU's campaign of Muslim immigration is definitely a plan of the leadership, regardless of the wishes of the people, yet it was not carried out in secret.

My point is we don't know why they put that plan into effect (meaning, what their goal is) or who had the power to do so. The only thing we can ask is cui bono.

What are the predictable effects of such mass migration, and does anyone truly believe an increase in nationalism was not one of them? From previous discussions here of false flag events, it's obvious there is a good deal of resistance to the idea someone (or anyone really) has both the power and the ability to pull off such events. And, of course, the question is asked: to what end?

It is popular these days to dismiss "conspiracy theory" as tinfoil-hat nonsense. That's difficult to do if one reads Antony Sutton's work. His Magnus Opus was "America's Secret Establishment: An Introduction to the Order Of Skull And Bones." Antony Sutton wasn't a kook by any means, he was one hell of a researcher. He was an economics professor at California State University, Los Angeles and a research fellow at Stanford University's Hoover Institution from 1968 to 1973, when he was forced out after publishing "National Suicide: Military Aid to the Soviet Union" in which he argued the conflicts of the Cold War were "not fought to restrain communism", since the United States, through financing the Soviet Union "directly or indirectly armed both sides in at least Korea and Vietnam"; rather, these wars were organised in order "to generate multibillion-dollar armaments contracts".

It was a testament to the truth of what he wrote that liberal academia did everything they could to stifle him and ignore him because they couldn't argue the facts. The three books he wrote prior to that,

"Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution"
"Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler"
"Wall Street and FDR"

are all available for download and linked on his wikipedia page. As Professor Richard Pipes (Harvard University) said in his book, "Survival Is Not Enough: Soviet Realities and America's Future"

In his three-volume detailed account of Soviet Purchases of Western Equipment and Technology ... Sutton comes to conclusions that are uncomfortable for many businessmen and economists. For this reason his work tends to be either dismissed out of hand as 'extreme' or, more often, simply ignored. (p. 290)

I believe "Cuckservative" cannot truly be appreciated for what it is until one reads Antony Sutton's work.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 December 17, 2015 5:33 PM  

The Manhattan project lasted a grand total of about 4 years, and it was localized in space. It was also a time in which telecommunications were in their infancy. And it was a technological project.

And the secrets were also stolen about a decade after the first bomb was dropped.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 December 17, 2015 5:35 PM  

@117

Seriously? You are really underestimating the intellectually corrupting power of Marxism.

Blogger John Red Eagle December 17, 2015 5:49 PM  

@116

My take on it was, in addition to that, it was a lot simpler to think of one big variable behind everything

Very true. Reductionist thinking is likely built into human nature. It is related to categorizing and systematizing. At a more basic level, it is probably useful.

At a macro level, it can get in the way. It doesn't require a single answer to everything for people to do evil things, even on a large scale. The evil people themselves may think they have the single answer to everything, but that merely explains their motives, rather than the operations of the world itself.

Anonymous Takin' a Look December 17, 2015 5:49 PM  

"Never ascribe to malice that which is more easily explained by incompetence".

Hanlan's razor is a good principle to keep in mind. There are many variations of this quote that go as far back as Napoleon apparently. However, it is the second sentence that is equally as important.

"Never ascribe to malice that which is more easily explained by incompetence.The first time at least.

This is not the first time, or simple freshmen screw-ups vis a vis our Dear Leaders in .gov. this is concerted action that has become more and more visible since the middle of the last century.

Now....it is all blood drinking child molesting melonhead jewish space-lizards from dimension X? Never had the (dis)pleasure of a little green men rectal probe.

Don't know, don't care. Yes Vox, I'll lay off the Red Sea Pedestrians, there are seemingly endless Whites only too happy to sell their birth-right of a mess of pottage and a seat at the Manor Lord's table.

However, it has a caveat. Someone upstream was referring to the Alphabet Soup Agencies being "not all that bad" and other saying "who can tell? You?"

We are fast approaching the time when "don't throw the baby out with the bathwater!" Will not only be seen as childishly naive, but grounds for shoot first, ask questions later.

That is going to apply to a very wide range of things....

Anonymous BGS December 17, 2015 6:08 PM  

LonestarWhacko 1:33 PM I might not have made myself clear. A knife attack really doesn't cut it.

Are you saying Garrote politicians to death or go home?

Given the large number of blacks, latinos and foreigners in the ranks, hell yes the U.S. Army would fire on European-Americans

Even though blacks in the military are those smart enough to graduate from high school. I was not impressed by any of them.

"winning" side of ACW 2 get a ruined country and either a small homogeneous chunk of the old empire or a large hostile population in his own borders

The left couldn't feed itself if it won.

McVeigh wasn't muslim and he wasn't representing anyone except himself and a few of his compatriots

McVeigh is why there is NO MORE FREE WACOS

100 "military guns" (most likely meaning AK-47s) in over 200 searches of mosques AND private homes. That's a fair number, but it's only an armory if they found those in just a few houses.

ALL OF THE GUNS FOUND ARE ILLEGAL. Even if it was only found in 1/3 of the 200 buildings searched not only are fully auto guns illegal to own in France but so are the lesser versions.

Blogger ray December 17, 2015 6:14 PM  

"If someone believes the conspirators are demonic beings walking in human skin, Atlantean Illuminati mages, or aliens (and I've met those who believe each of these) then sure."



People love to make Conspiracy Theories sound as fantastic and cinematic as possible, so their own explanations then become the baseline of reason and lucidity. The Conspiratoid Strawman ploy. Yup I remember a couple decades ago, being told my observations concerning American feminism were just crazy Conspiracy Theories. HA HA HA, eh?

One advantage of being Christian is accepting that malevolent beings do exist, manifesting both spiritually and as celestial entities. And as Christ makes clear in the NT, some of these beings are capable of influencing, or even possessing, certain human beings. Indeed, some are described as influencing or possessing entire nations. Some are reported as already having been 'cast down' to Earth.

To reject these teachings is to reject Christ, and his acts/preachings concerning spiritual forces. To mock these teachings is to mock Christ.

I certainly don't 'believe' in aliens -- I accept them as factual, based on Old and New Testament assertions concerning the existence and activities of extra-terrestrial entities, whether taking form in humans or acting 'independently'. Then I look at individuals and collectivities and ask myself . . . is there any evidence that spiritual forces acting across (or outside of) time are impacting these individuals or events here on Earth? And I do find much evidence of that very thing, tho often these influences are hidden by the prosaic fronts of human beings . . . common covetousness, greed, vengeance, will to power, so forth.

The Bible says the real war is an unseen war, an ongoing war between Christ's servants and the spiritual 'powers and principalities' of this rebel planet. Turning that truth into chuckling derision shows -- at best -- ignorance.

Anonymous KoranBurningFaggot December 17, 2015 6:22 PM  

Xerox corporation uploaded a few lines of bad code and the EBT card system went down in 17 states, there were chimp-out conditions in Louisiana within 12 hours, 14 hours in Mississippi. I remember writing about it at the time, that it really felt like a test run to see how fast things would go downhill

That happened on the 12 of the month, imagine how bad it would be at the beginning of the month when everyone on govt benefits is "nigger rich". They also end up coming into the hospitals for crime more offend the first weekend of the month.

Katrina was localized, but a national failure is different.Depending on the area and time of year (roads over passes in the rockies are few and often closed in winter), there won't even be an evacuation

Katrina had support of the entire nation. I knew 5 people in one hospital alone that went to help, and they where not even national guard that had people from every state going to help. People left arguing equality, but came back saying the Turner diaries came true. I had to look up the Turner Diaries as I do all fiction that comes true

Anonymous GreyS December 17, 2015 6:24 PM  

Americans ignorantly pronouncing the imminent death of the European nations due to multiculturalism...[N]ationalists are not merely talking about the government-assisted invasion of their nations, they are taking action.

Americans, on the other hand...


I never bought into the "Euros will quietly lay down and die of multiculti" meme. Everywhere you go there, people are SO into nationalism and/or (especially) regional or ethnic identity. They routinely march the streets in huge numbers for a variety of reasons. They get angry in a more focused way-- as opposed to, say, the American blacks who always seem so random and unfocused. Last time we were there I think Portugal was the only country where we did not see some large street protest or march. (mostly economic-politics and regional-identity issues from what my limited language skills could figure).

I have a hard time seeing Americans take up any sort of strong effort against govt immigration policies for the next decade or so-- and too late by then. We talk big but in reality we are mostly spectators who have been trained to have others do our work while we complain on the internet or talk radio. Perhaps the coming big protests and violence in Europe will inspire us to get off our bums before things get too bad. If the machine snakes or kills Trump there might be sufficient anger but I doubt it.

Blogger John Red Eagle December 17, 2015 6:33 PM  

@120

My point is we don't know why they put that plan into effect (meaning, what their goal is) or who had the power to do so. The only thing we can ask is cui bono.

You are making a tremendous, and ultimately quasi-theological assumption that it required some particular person or group of people with that 'power'. You are assuming that all events everywhere require a centralized human prime mover. Essentially, some group of people standing in for God or Satan.

Or to use the god of another religion, you are arguing that world events depend on socialist-style central planning, writ large, except this time it works.

And to pull it off, it isn't enough that they'd merely serve a superhuman power, they'd have to have superhuman abilities and knowledge themselves, as well as being free of human weaknesses and self-defeating follies. Sustained for generations.

Anonymous Takin' a Look December 17, 2015 6:47 PM  

@Steelpalm

Or.....face/palm?

A great deal of the alt-right (come closer, this is vitally important info) are....former jew-loving liberals and cuckservatives! We were raised on Anne Frank and Schindler's List and had many holocaust survivors come into our schools to tell us about the bad Nazis and the wonderful land of Israel....

Then the internet happened, Noticing happened, HBD diversity happened...et cetera. We found out about the Holodormor and the Opium Trade and the North Atlantic Slave Trade.

It's not that these atrocities happened, it's the lying and rank hypocrisy. Like Vox, I'm actually a Zionist in the sense that a homeland, whether Israel or Birobizhan is fine with me.

To give an example of hypocrisy. Trump says we need a moratorium on immigration until we figure out what the heck is going on with the Sunnis.

Benjamin Netayahu then says, in lock-step with Diaspora Jews, "Donald Trump is a racist and wrong on not wanting Muslims in America."

Meanwhile, Israel has a YUGE wall to keep musloids out.

It has 50,000 "Infiltrators" in camps

It sterilizes it's Black Jews on welfare

It continues to provide aid and comfort to Sunni Terrorists (per the Daily Mail, on the record)

The point is, there are way too many Red Sea Pedestrian actors in this whole mess. It's like they never learned from the Weimar Republic and the subsequent Holocaust, or the hundreds of times they've been kicked out or pogramed* in pagan,christian, muslim, hindu, buddhist, even native american nations. They are a "Stiff-necked People" and ALWAYS do things the hard way. "Shrugs shoulders" I'll say this....

The L-rd doesn't say we Gentiles have to support you Unconditionally, just not be against you in your Homeland. that is true in both the torah and the New Testament. Shunning you, turning our backs to you is acceptable to Him.

*Karaites are the very fascinating exception.

Anonymous CloseHauled December 17, 2015 6:55 PM  

@130
"Sustained for generations."

You mean like the mafia? If a bunch of guidos can maintain a generational conspiratorial organization surely the descendants of the ring of fire can.


OpenID paworldandtimes December 17, 2015 6:56 PM  

McVeigh is why there is NO MORE FREE WACOS

Exactly. Like when Obama stood down at the Bundy ranch.

PA

Anonymous Takin' a Look December 17, 2015 6:59 PM  

And that is ALL I'm going to say about that subject Vox. I'm done with "those people"

Blogger VD December 17, 2015 7:03 PM  

Steel Palm, rhetoric of that blitheringly stupid variety is not permitted here. If you persist in thinking that "Joooos" is a substantive rebuttal to anything, next time your comment won't merely be deleted.

Noticing the fact that many Jews resident in America have very different policies towards immigration into Israel and immigration into the USA is not anti-semitic or even anti-Zionist. It is a readily observable fact. Perhaps instead of making cow sounds, you might try justifying that seemingly contradictory position.

Blogger tz December 17, 2015 7:07 PM  

@100 AT: "I can easily see depopulation of entire regions ala' the 30 years war in Germany."

This is bad how? Vox asked how do you hit "undo" for the millions of immigrants...

It does depend on the area, and the nature of the original crisis - if no EMP, then the great cities will become large junk yards for spare parts.

Oh, and you can have lots of ballistic fun with bicycle inner tubes though they don't work with water balloons.

@101 "Supposedly, there's quite a number of foreign troops stationed here." They're called immigrants and refugees.

@102 cspoa.org - one example. Local Sheriffs have authority and many around here use it against the Feds.

@104 "or you remain a simpering sheep, waiting for the barbarians to rape your women". They're not MY women. They are "liberated", so can take on the responsibility of protecting themselves (like the local women here, though they prefer having men around with heavier weaponry).

@112 The problem with elites is their Hubris causes them to think they can pull off even an absurd plan. Nothing complex ever works right (I know this from coding - my biggest ability is to simplify to a simple, clean, clear path). But simplicity requires humility.

Execution fails because at some point an "if-else" won't be relevant and there won't be anyone around to patch. Insurgency only works because it is simple - opportunistic. It also trusts those who are to execute it. The elite don't/can't at least not below a few layers. "Find a target and destroy it" shows both. The elites built the Maginot line. There was no Plan B as in Belgium. Flandering then Floundering.

@127
EXACTLY, but not as you put it. The Devil has been defeated, but runs around. The same bible says how to defeat him. Even he fails from his own pride.
You are a fool if you think you know what the Devil is doing. God does, but you do not. And God will through providence provide victory. Unfortunately we prefer to do our own thing.

Anonymous That Would Be Telling December 17, 2015 7:16 PM  

@130 Takin' a Look:

20% of Israeli citizens are Arabs, the vast majority of them Muslim. Benjamin Netayahu's situation isn't quite as simple as you made it out to be.

Anonymous Takin' a Look December 17, 2015 7:26 PM  

@That Would Be Telling

Face/palm....I said I was done. Look up marriage/assimilation laws/codes in Israel. Then think hard about it. Does the West have anything similar?

Anonymous KoranBurningFaggot December 17, 2015 8:02 PM  

We will know that the republic is down to the last quarter inch of circling the drain when the President Of the United States hires private security contractors to protect his life.

When was the last time you saw Bath House Barry out in the open, but not surrounded by bullet proof glass? If you ever seen a video of all the vehicles that travel with him, you will believe the people that say that guards at US military bases have their firing pins removed when he visits a base.

120 Art don't know why they put that plan into effect (meaning, what their goal is) or who had the power to do so. The only thing we can ask is cui bono

I have posted about Snowden releasing the Rivkin documents a couple times.
http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2011/05/14/in-honor-of-french-reader-understanding-the-rivkin-project/

Anonymous BGS December 17, 2015 8:07 PM  

Nate can you answer #92 in the chickenhawk peds thread? I know its been a problem for a while but,

"Has there been any significant incidence of that among non-Hispanic, non mudshark whites?"

OpenID obsoleteman December 17, 2015 8:10 PM  

You're simply bleating yourself. The core problem is not the illegals. 5/6ths of the invasion is entirely legal. Unless and until you accept the necessity to repatriate legal aliens, even citizens, you have surrendered to the New America.

-I didn't say it, explicitly but, yes, everyone; not just illegals.
FWIW, I appreciate your blog and thoughts. Maybe I am bleating as you say. It's going to take more than words though.

Blogger SteelPalm December 17, 2015 8:26 PM  

@134

"Perhaps instead of making cow sounds, you might try justifying that seemingly contradictory position."

Vox, the "contradictory position" is that an incredible number of Jews, both in the US and Israel, are incredibly self-hating. In fact, no race has as many self-haters and anti-nationalist as the Jews do. A lot of Jews are actively working towards the destruction of Israel. Some are Holocaust deniers. Hell, back in Nazi Germany, many Jews collaborated with Hitler.

One high-profile example is the incredibly evil Soros; a Hungarian Jew (although he says he doesn't consider himself Jewish) who stated that World War 2, when he helped the Nazis exterminate his own people, was "the happiest time of my life".

That's the problem as well as your explanation. Too many Jews hate themselves and have a death wish. Which is also why many are drawn into being SJWs.

Anonymous Flyover Resident December 17, 2015 9:32 PM  

@129

OTOH, hive queen Hillary herself talked incessantly about "a vast right-wing conspiracy" and, as our gracious host has already demonstrated "SJWs always project."

Hell, it's not as if they've even tried conspiratorial silence - Practical Idealism was publicly published, after all, and they still hand out the Coudenhove-Kalergi medal every two years.

Blogger The Kurgan December 17, 2015 9:45 PM  

EDL are English. And the English don't do ultranationalism to any comparable degree of any continental Euros.

Anonymous Takin' a Look December 17, 2015 10:12 PM  

@That Would Be Telling

Actually...why don't you look up the history of Mexicans and "Hispanics" in general here in the USA and use that as a comparison to the Arab Muslim issue in Israel? 500+ years vs. 67?

Anonymous 0007 December 18, 2015 7:32 AM  

I hope @145 is spam. If it isn't, I've got no idea as to how to break that code - unless it just wants me to spend money(that I don't have).

Blogger SciVo December 18, 2015 12:48 PM  

VD @5: I suspect it is because the European peoples don't believe that their governments will actually turn on them in the end. The American people know their government will.

The biggest mistake of BLM was showing us what they could get away with. No way in hell a white guy could smash a police car without going to assrape prison. So now we know exactly how much our government despises us, by seeing how much it coddles everyone that isn't us.

Blogger SciVo December 18, 2015 1:15 PM  

Sam Lively @18: At a fundamental level, we don't take the threat seriously.

Yes, but if we did then we would nuke it.

Possibly literally.

Blogger SciVo December 18, 2015 1:36 PM  

Joshua Sinistar @19: Vox here in America we don't protest.

Oh sure, we don't protest. But the SJWs do, so they don't understand. They can't tell the time because we're not tolling a bell from one to midnight.

In a way, it's kind of our fault that things are going to go to such extremes. I deliberately give emotional displays to the kind of people that won't take you seriously otherwise, but I can't make us do that collectively.

Blogger SciVo December 18, 2015 1:58 PM  

185 @31: But in general, the nations of Europe are pretty solid, e.g. France, Germany, Italy, and most of Spain!

Really? You don't care about the wishes of the Alsatians or Basque, and don't mind that Sicily and northern Italy are basically different nations from the southern boot? Okay then.

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Blogger SciVo December 18, 2015 2:21 PM  

WKL @34: Is Trump getting this far a big thing, or not? I agree that it's not the same as literally attacking a refugee center (that was mercifully empty), but given the actual state of things, it seems like the American equivalent to me.

I don't understand your question. You clearly understand that the point of the statement you're addressing is that we're not going as far here as they do there, so what's the point of your question? A big deal here is trivial there. That's the point, and you know it. So why are you even speaking words?

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Blogger SciVo December 18, 2015 2:55 PM  

A.B. Prosper @50: Third, we do have a revolutionary class but none of the of then are interested in actually ruling. The Libertarian ethos has its place but in a revolution, we can't all be Cincinnatus or go home to Monticello. Someone has to rule, to govern and to manage and to put boots on necks. No one wants to do this and as such, they can't rule.

Dude. I don't know if you realize it, but you just set up a trap where anyone who protests that they would be willing to do what's necessary would sound like a "secret king" gamma. Not cool.

Blogger Gerry Tork December 18, 2015 6:10 PM  

I thought it was hilarious that when they brought the system back online they screwed that up and instead of returning an available amount the cards indicated an unlimited balance.

An undocumented feature in the POS and ATM systems is to turn off authorization. Like when Peter Ustinov used to sell Amex on the "no spending limit" feature, this can lead to moral hazard.

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/08/06/nyregion/credit-union-says-atm-users-stole-millions-after-9-11.html

Blogger Gerry Tork December 18, 2015 6:14 PM  

@16 See my comment above. They would just launch QE infinity by removing cash limits.

That would spark the hyperinflation scenario for sure.

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