ALL BLOG POSTS AND COMMENTS COPYRIGHT (C) 2003-2016 VOX DAY. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. REPRODUCTION WITHOUT WRITTEN PERMISSION IS EXPRESSLY PROHIBITED.

Saturday, December 12, 2015

Reformers turn restrictionist

Donald Trump has a convert, and then some, in Larry Kudlow:
I’ve Changed. This Is War. Seal the Borders. Stop the Visas.

I know this is not my usual position. But this is a war. Therefore I have come to believe there should be no immigration or visa waivers until the U.S. adopts a completely new system to stop radical Islamic terrorists from entering the country. A wartime lockdown. And a big change in my thinking.

ISIS and related Islamic terrorists are already here. More are coming. We must stop them.

Until FBI director James Comey gives us the green light, I say seal the borders.

Here’s what we must do: Completely reform the vetting process for immigrants and foreign visitors. Change the screening process. Come up with a new visa-application review process. Stop this nonsense of marriage-visa fraud. And in the meantime, seal the borders. I agree with Jessica Vaughn, director of policy studies at the Center for Immigration Studies, who argued many of these points in excellent detail on the National Review website on Friday.

Again, why am I taking this hardline position? In the past, I have been an immigration reformer, not a restrictionist. But we are at war. That changes everything.
This is an expected, but delightful, development. It won't be long before the American mainstream endorses mass repatriations. That is the best possible outcome; a widespread resurgence of peaceful nationalism that is not unlawfully resisted by an anti-democratic internationalist elite.
  1. Stop all visas, green cards, and immigration.
  2. Seal the borders. 
  3. Repatriate all illegals, criminals, dual-citizens, and nationals from Muslim countries.
  4. Debate and formulate a new immigration system that will return the US demographics to a reasonable facsimile of 1965 over time.
  5.  Implement the new system.

Labels: ,

118 Comments:

OpenID paworldandtimes December 12, 2015 9:02 AM  

This is a remarkable change. I remembered Kudlow for his obnoxious guest posts at NRO's Corner circa 2005.

He once wrote a "virtue through ignorance" open borders-promoting column, centered on his "I just don't get what the big deal is about immigration."

PA

Anonymous roo_ster December 12, 2015 9:05 AM  

Never thought kudlow would give up open borders. Must be feeling his mortality and the reality that his kin really have no better place to go than the usa.

Blogger Sean December 12, 2015 9:06 AM  

All it takes is one person willing to speak the unspeakable.

Blogger Lovekraft December 12, 2015 9:09 AM  

The muslims saw the lucrative jewish holocaust shakedown on western countries and thought, why not? So they infiltrate immigration, activist groups with, perhaps Saudi money but it would go much deeper and wider than this, to furtively bring in millions of them. Little job skills, anti-western values, militant ideology-from-childhood.

The racket will play out when the west wakes up and reasserts its values and priorities. The lawsuits will be flying. Watch the money trail. The more muslim/third worlders here, the more it will cost us to clean them out.

Not sure whether to laugh or cry at the deviousness of this.

Blogger Salt December 12, 2015 9:09 AM  

The dam is breaking. People are beginning to take the red pill.

OpenID paworldandtimes December 12, 2015 9:10 AM  

I wonder if Jack Kemp would have had a change of heart, had he still been alive. Also around 2005, he wrote a op-ed titled "An Open Letter to my Grandchildren," in which he promoted open borders as necessary for his grandkids' bright future.

Kemp had struck me as a good hearted oaf more than a willing cuck.

PA

Blogger Zaklog the Great December 12, 2015 9:11 AM  

Hmmm, Ace of Spades was commenting on this yesterday, said he was suspicious that this might be merely waving a flag that seemed popular at the moment so they could go back to doing exactly the same thing they always do once safely past the election.

What do you think of that likelihood?

Blogger clk December 12, 2015 9:22 AM  

Where Trump messed up was to define the problem as muslim.. what he should have said would block all immigration from any country that has a terrorist/crime/drug problem...while it is legal to discriminate non citizens by basis of religion, its not PC ...you just need to block on a country wide basis and then there will be no issues.

Anonymous Godfrey December 12, 2015 9:32 AM  

Maybe we can study how Israel handles immigration? Just a thought.

Blogger S1AL December 12, 2015 9:34 AM  

@8 - Not at all. The American populace as a whole is dramatically less receptive towards Islam, and therefore Muslims, than any other group. Start there, demonstrate the effectiveness, and then the conversation has changed completely.

Blogger Crude December 12, 2015 9:36 AM  

This is an expected, but delightful, development.

Does the sincerity of his newfound position matter, or is it delightful even if he's lying through his teeth?

Anonymous That Would Be Telling December 12, 2015 9:37 AM  

@9: Godfrey: I think we've gotten your point by now. How many times have you posted this point in the last few days? Does the word monomaniacal ring a bell?

Anonymous Jeff Y. December 12, 2015 9:43 AM  

The zeitgeist is the same, but the weltanschauung is changing.

It's unmannered of me (in both senses of the word) to ask, but how could Kudlow not understand fifteen years ago that we were at war? Twenty five years ago with the first World Trade Center bombing? could he not remember history back two hundred and ten years ago with the enslavement of Americans to the Barbary Empire?

I understand being loyal to one's opinions, but really, this is a bit much even for Larry Kudlow. I am happy he changed his mind, though.

Blogger Robert Coble December 12, 2015 9:45 AM  

Speaking of Saudi money:

Trump 'a disgrace', Saudi billionaire says

Alwaleed is an unusually outspoken member of the Saudi royal family, who chairs Kingdom Holding Co.

The diversified firm's interests include US-banking giant Citigroup.


As always, follow the money.

I'm guessing someone is pissed because of all the money shoveled into the Clinton Crime Family Foundation may seem to be wasted. No, wait, was he a Bush contributor too?

WHO CARES?!?!?

Anonymous Homesteader December 12, 2015 9:47 AM  

Supersaturated solutions crystallize spontaneously.

I'd say the American people have been supersaturated for a while now..

Blogger Cinco December 12, 2015 9:48 AM  

This comment has been removed by the author.

Blogger Cinco December 12, 2015 9:49 AM  

Never thought kudlow would give up open borders. Must be feeling his mortality and the reality that his kin really have no better place to go than the usa.

Anyone willing to bet that he had a family member assaulted?

Blogger David-093 December 12, 2015 10:04 AM  

@8

I disagree. Trump came out early on as being against illegal immigration; it's how he got so popular. Then he released his immigration policy that attacked legal immigration as well. Now he's come out against Muslim immigration, which is largely """legal""" since the government brings them here. Hes slowly coming out against legal immigration, but he's getting there. Next year he'll be openly against it, but for now my guess is he's building up to that.

Blogger Cecil Henry December 12, 2015 10:04 AM  

NO. Larry does NOT get it. He has not woken up.

Sure, seal the borders because there is potential violence and disruption of HIS life.

But he has no problem with White Genocide on principle. As long as its done 'peacefully' and 'orderly'.

No problem with: Africa for Africans, Asia for Asians, White countries for Everyone.

The destructiveness of Diversity was just fine UNTIL 2 weeks ago-- and suddenly he's found Jesus.

If we weren't 'at war' he wouldn't care.

Well Larry. We've actually been at War since 1965, accelerating after 1990. Its White Genocide, not an inconvenience in your travel plans.

Its the principle there can be NO all White schools, communities, cities, countries, ... anything.

Yeah.... NO.

Anonymous smiler December 12, 2015 10:07 AM  

There is more than enough diversity already here in the US that can be used to eliminate white people via ongoing forced diversity and assimilation programs and propaganda that specifically target white people and the areas that remain majority white.

Therefore Phase 2 must include:

Legally challenge and end all government sponsored efforts to force racial diversity on areas deemed "too white" (HUD, Refugee Resettlement, school redistricting, affirmative action). The goal of "diversity" is zero white people, aka white genocide.

Anonymous Godfrey December 12, 2015 10:11 AM  

@9
I think it an interesting point that bears repeating. Especially so when one considers how some of the wealthiest people within a certain group tend support open borders across the globe except in the case of one particular small country in the Middle East. I'd be interested to see Trump try the strategy. I think such a strategy would quiet many of his severest critics.

Blogger SciVo December 12, 2015 10:11 AM  

@ Zaklog the Great:

Kudlow is waving the war flag. Reading between the lines, I think he's pretending to concede on immigration in order to ingratiate himself with the people whose support he would need for the war that he wants.

A friend of mine was telling me last night that she thought San Bernardino was a false flag. She simply can't accept that they were honestly acting out their sincere beliefs. Conspiracy theory as naivete.

Obviously I can't prove it wasn't, so the point I made instead is that it was a stupid one if so, since it's provoking anti-immigration sentiment, not pro-war sentiment. And now here we have Kudlow trying to pivot us from one to the other. That doesn't necessarily mean he planned it, but he's sure trying to capitalize on it.

Blogger MrA is MrA December 12, 2015 10:16 AM  

The critical thing here is that someone who has the ear of the larger public has once again "spoken the unspeakable." The MSM will respond and vilify, per usual, but the discussion is now opened to all speakers. Regardless of the scope that Kudlow intends, this is an overall win for the Nationalism discussion.

Blogger Hammerli280 December 12, 2015 10:16 AM  

This doesn't surprise me. I can remember Peggy Noonan (of all people) calling for an immigration moratorium several years ago.

And it's badly needed. A 5-10 year immigration holiday, the complete repeal of existing immigration law, and the passage of new laws under which immigration will be considerably less, restricted to people who can reasonably support themselves...and with no more than 10% coming from any one country.

Blogger Were-Puppy December 12, 2015 10:22 AM  

@13 Robert Coble

Speaking of Saudi money:
Trump 'a disgrace', Saudi billionaire says

---

If I was Trump, I would tweet: "I refuse to take orders or suggestions from a goat humper wearing a Shoney's table cloth on his head."

Blogger Artisanal Toad December 12, 2015 10:23 AM  

I think it's funny how everyone talks about the Overton Window but the reality of this situation is it's pure Hegelian Dialectic. Trump is staking out antithesis positions that will push the synthesis position much further than it could have had he not staked out the positions he has.

@17 Yes, I agree, but while everyone may think Trump is engaged in rhetoric, what he's doing is Hegelian Dialectic and forcing a dialectical debate that never could have occurred otherwise. It isn't so much that the Overton Window is being stretched at the frame, it's the eventual effect of doing so.

Is he Machiavellian enough to know what he's doing? Jury is still out on that one.

@18 Its the principle there can be NO all White schools, communities, cities, countries, ... anything... NO.


Agreed, but we can't get to that debate from here. We have to go somewhere else first. Whether Trump is orchestrating the debate with that in mind remains to be seen, he could just be riding a populist wave that he's smart enough to recognize, but there are other factors at play. I remain deeply suspicious that most if not all of the recent Muslim mass shootings have been false flag operations with a certainty that at least one or two were.

Cui Bono?

OpenID elijahrhodes December 12, 2015 10:26 AM  

You seem rather more cheerfully optimistic than I am, Vox. Without a repeal of the Immigration Act of 1965, a repeal of the anchor-baby laws, a full moratorium on new immigration, a wall on the border, denial of any government services to illegals, and stiff prosecution for Americans who hire them, I don't see any measures as being more than putting a bandaid on an arterial bleed.

Anonymous Homesteader December 12, 2015 10:37 AM  

This war needs good rhetoric, and, with credit to Oculus:

1.White people exist.
2. White people have the RIGHT to exist.
3. White people have the RIGHT to exist AS White people in White Communites and Nations.

Blogger Orville December 12, 2015 10:38 AM  

I think Larry's war is not our war. Larry is pushing the perpetual war being used by the Eskimo elite to stay in power. This is probably part of the first wave of cuckservative infiltration into the milright group to highjack and neutralize like they did with the Tea Party.

Blogger Wayne December 12, 2015 10:48 AM  

As the number of incidents of terrorism against private citizens such as Paris and San Bernadino begins to mount, the political winds will shift dramatically as one passive politician after another is returned to private life by their voters. The sense of guilt that dominates politics in the Western nations will begin to be replaced by pragmatic solutions to the threat that is being currently ignored. Conservatives should begin reminding the progressives that are pushing these policies that the consequences of us being wrong are minimal compared to the consequence of them being wrong.

Anonymous Adam1 December 12, 2015 11:04 AM  

``3.Repatriate all...dual-citizens...` That would seem a tall order given that 62 countries allow it vs 65 that don`t.(immihelp.com/citizenship/dual-citizenship-recognize-countries.html) But then, how many Americans have to die...?

Blogger VD December 12, 2015 11:09 AM  

I don't see any measures as being more than putting a bandaid on an arterial bleed.

Don't be ridiculous. It took them 50 years to get to this point. Are you going to whine and cry because it doesn't get turned around in six weeks?

Conservatives are soft, weak, and impatient. That's why they lose, lose again, and lose some more.

"If we can't get what we want immediately, we should just surrender."

Seriously, do you love defeat so well that you cannot bear to give it up? Are you afraid to hope, or are you simply afraid to fight?

Blogger pyrrhus December 12, 2015 11:09 AM  

@8 3d world muslims are only the current flavor...The US needs to block ALL 3d world immigration, because large numbers of violent, low IQ, welfare seeking, statist immigrants (but then I repeat myself 3 times) mean death in the long run. And the long run is maybe 40 years..

Blogger Mr.MantraMan December 12, 2015 11:11 AM  

IMO the left is phoning in their part of this week's political theater. The Passion of the Negro excites them Muslims not so much.

Blogger VD December 12, 2015 11:12 AM  

This is probably part of the first wave of cuckservative infiltration into the milright group to highjack and neutralize like they did with the Tea Party.

I doubt it. The Jews in Europe are legitimately scared. And by scared, I mean a significant percentage are fleeing for Israel. The mil-right will never accept Establishment leaders the way the Tea Party did, but we don't reject temporary allies even if they don't share our nationalist rationale.

Anonymous Andrew E. December 12, 2015 11:12 AM  

Trump's response to Saudi Prince via twitter:

Dopey Prince @Alwaleed_Talal wants to control our U.S. politicians with daddy’s money. Can’t do it when I get elected. #Trump2016

Blogger VD December 12, 2015 11:13 AM  

I think Larry's war is not our war.

I agree. So what? Are you seriously going to oppose stopping all immigration for the wrong reasons? Stop reacting, start thinking.

Blogger The Other Robot December 12, 2015 11:14 AM  

Are you seriously going to oppose stopping all immigration for the wrong reasons?

But real Cuckservatives have to do everything for the right reason!

Anonymous BGS December 12, 2015 11:15 AM  

merely waving a flag that seemed popular at the moment so they could go back to doing exactly the same thing they always do

He would have to be blind to see how indefensible promoting open borders is when even puffs cheer fires at mosques. He will go back to being a Soros cheerleader when it wont damage the "open borders" brand.

probably part of the first wave of cuckservative infiltration into the milright group to highjack and neutralize like they did with the Tea Party

Trump has that big beautiful parade behind him, others will want to get in front of it.

block all immigration from any country that has a terrorist/crime/drug problem

Liberals are scared of not being defended from moslems, but not of more pot/cocaine sneaking in. How many liberals biggest fear is that snorting cocaine off a 14yo illegal alien's penis will get cheaper?

If I was Trump, I would tweet: "I refuse to take orders or suggestions from a goat humper wearing a Shoney's table cloth on his head."

If I was Trump I would Tweet" Here is the list Putin released of nations that support jihad,notice any funders of HilLIARy & Bush?"


OT:A southern California Mosque catches fire and all lame stream news covers it, but a black moslem torches a packed gay bar in Seattle on New Years even most gay news ignores. Just think of how the news would cover if it was a white guy.
http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2014/02/01/police-make-arrest-in-neighbours-arson-case

Anonymous Eric Ashley December 12, 2015 11:16 AM  

Indeed, Vox.

As always, one of the Signs of the Apocalypse is for the schismatic and egotistical alt right to simply cheer at a victory.

Blogger The Other Robot December 12, 2015 11:19 AM  

Steve Sailer thinks the odds are against Le Pen.

I guess we will see if the French are truly sick of the Muslim invasion or not on Sunday.

Anonymous BGS December 12, 2015 11:20 AM  

I doubt it. The Jews in Europe are legitimately scared. And by scared, I mean a significant percentage are fleeing for Israel

Do Jews blame Soros or praise him for inspiring Aliyah?

Anonymous DissidentRight December 12, 2015 11:23 AM  

This is the Trump effect I forgot about. By leading the charge, he provides cover for weaker men to follow...even if they don't go as far, at least they are moving. When people are inclined to simply split the difference, extremists are your best ally.

I guess the Lefties should have made that obvious.

Anonymous Bobby Farr December 12, 2015 11:43 AM  

I wouldn't have expected an inside the Beltway corporatist Jew with a media job to be a convert this early. If the dialogue has already changed to this extent, it will be Trump by a landslide.

Anonymous BGS December 12, 2015 11:47 AM  

The lament of HR women. One less black RN because he stabbed a 6yo white boy to death in the head.
http://www.wthr.com/story/30690301/indianapolis-nurse-admits-to-killing-boy

Blogger Greg December 12, 2015 11:55 AM  

David Frum's latest column at the Atlantic needs to be read as well. This is how the window gets shifted. The mainstream cons need our support when they do what's right.

Blogger SciVo December 12, 2015 12:02 PM  

@ Artisanal Toad:

If you're saying that people are wrong to talk about the Overton window being shifted, and that it's also a natural consequence of Hegelian dialectic, then that's contradictory. We should talk about what's happening.

Also, frankly, people talking about false flags sound crazy to me. As mentioned above, I have friends who do that; but although I like them, I don't believe them.

Blogger John Diaz December 12, 2015 12:07 PM  

My brother a leftist who still supports Obama said he supports kudlow's position because it halts all immigration and not just muslim immigration. Trump has the left calling for sealed borders wow just wow.

Blogger SciVo December 12, 2015 12:09 PM  

This comment has been removed by the author.

Blogger SciVo December 12, 2015 12:15 PM  

Dammit, I accidentally conceded that Hegelian dialectic was being used. Well played. I actually need more argument or evidence on that point.

Anonymous BGS December 12, 2015 12:18 PM  

More shadowbanning by facebook. While lamestream avoided showing pictures of Jihadette facebook gave a 30 day ban for showing her picture.

http://www.examiner.com/article/facebook-bans-conservative-for-photo-of-san-bernardino-shooter-tashfeen-malik

Blogger Stephen St. Onge December 12, 2015 12:19 PM  

        And here's news from a Rasmussen poll: 59% believe legal immigration too easy, 66% favor at least a temporary ban on Muslim immigration.

h/t Marc Steyn

Blogger Cecil Henry December 12, 2015 12:37 PM  

@27
Very Well said.

Because: Africa for Africans, Asia for Asians, White countries for Everyone IS White Genocide.

Diversity just means fewer White people.

Blogger Marcus Marcellus December 12, 2015 12:44 PM  

Kudlow's position is unexpected. I'm a former i-bank finance creature and those wall street types normally are blind to these issues. If a vintage country club Republican can utter those words, then yes, there may be genuine change afoot. But getting back to 1965 demographics would entail a new white baby boom. Can we do it?

Blogger Ragin' Dave December 12, 2015 12:50 PM  

VD: The mil-right will never accept Establishment leaders the way the Tea Party did, but we don't reject temporary allies even if they don't share our nationalist rationale.

I think a bunch of the mil-right used to be Tea Party folks, who got fed up with the abuse being heaped on them by the GOP and finally said "Screw it. No more Mister Nice Guy." The GOP did everything they could to destroy the Tea Party movement, and they mostly succeeded. But the Tea Party folks didn't just disappear, they simply moved to new groups/plans. There was this one quote I read some time ago, about how if you take away a man's ability to state his opinion, then he'll create his own platform, something something something.... ah, you've probably heard it before.

Blogger The Other Robot December 12, 2015 12:50 PM  

An interesting take on the Hallelujah Chorus.

Blogger Artisanal Toad December 12, 2015 12:55 PM  

@46

It's just kind of funny to see how it's framed. Framing the discourse as a "window" implies that it's open and free. Framing it as Hegelian Dialectic is to say the discourse is (at least subtly) being manipulated. As to false flag operations, they're a fact of life. Period.

In fact, false flag operations are simply another aspect of Hegelian Dialectic in the physical sense. They create a paradigm in which the previously unthinkable can now be addressed and even cheered on. In other words, an event which results in the placement of a radical antithesis into the discourse that would previously have been dismissed is now taken seriously. The first famous false flag operation in modern times was the Reichstag fire that brought Hitler to power. The question is always cui bono.

More recently was OKC. After the Murrah building was destroyed, Brig. Gen. Benjamin K Partin (head of the Air Force ordinance development) took one look at it and wrote a report for Congress stating in absolute terms that there was no way for that building to sustain that kind of damage from an ANFO truck bomb. This guy knew all about blowing up buildings and every Congressman and Senator got a copy of that report but not a peep was heard. He pointed to the signature damage to the concrete columns that proved high explosive charges had been placed in the building prior to the truck bomb exploding. That report has practically been flushed down the memory hole.

The result of that false flag operation was a 10,000 page anti-terrorism bill was jammed through Congress within days. Keep in mind that this was post Ruby Ridge and Waco. The militia movement was exploding. All those dead children shut that down quite nicely.

You will choose to believe what you want to believe, your privilege. I have some interesting links in this post on my blog. The fact is, false flag operations are simply a fact of life. IMO, the reason people don't want to recognize the reality of false flag operations is it calls into question virtually everything, resulting in cognitive dissonance and even paranoia. This is no different from the leftist desire to hold hands with Muslims and sing Kumbaya about immigration: A desire to see things as you want them to be rather than as they are.

OpenID joeholocaust December 12, 2015 12:57 PM  

I would be happier if Kudlow shown any sincere nationalist sentiment before it became fashionable. Since he is a jew-come-lately I feel that skepticism over his sincerity now is reasonable. Thank him but ask him to use his influence to gain true blue white nationalists greater access to mainstream media to present our case. Nationalism has been around for many decades but Kudlow's tribe used the media to turn it into a bad word. Now some of them are softening their Marxian globalism just enough to stay relevant and try to control the surge of nationalism. You know what they say about sleeping with dogs.
Grinder

Blogger rcocean December 12, 2015 12:57 PM  

Not be naive about Kudlow. This is a purely tactical maneuver. He wants to be known as a "restrictionist" so he can moderate and frustrate any desire to stop all immigration from the inside. He's like those 9-11 liberals (cf: Charles Johnson) who became millstones around our necks. Frum did the same thing for 15 years. When immigration restriction was riding high, he'd be on our side, but always counseling moderation and doing this or this. When the immigration restriction was on its downside, he'd go back to commenting on other issues.

Anonymous 334 December 12, 2015 1:04 PM  

I don't know enough about the U.S. constitution to say what would or wouldn't be "constitutional" (and that seems to be a moving target anyway), but what about making all new citizenship going forward conditional? First ten years you are ineligible to vote, ineligible for government aid in any form, and any criminal conviction results in immediate repatriation to your country of origin. That would surely eliminate most of the attraction for undesirables. If you're not coming to the U.S. with a set of needed job skills and some money in the bank, you're not going to last long.

Blogger Sherrie December 12, 2015 1:09 PM  

I think a bunch of the mil-right used to be Tea Party folks, who got fed up with the abuse being heaped on them by the GOP and finally said "Screw it. No more Mister Nice Guy."

Yes. Exactly. This is me. This is my husband. We were called racist for supporting a smaller, more responsible government. Now we're pissed off. This, I believe, describes many Trump supporters, too. We're mad at the media. We're mad at the establishment. We're mad at so-called conservatives who have sold us out. We haven't gone away. We're just moving farther and farther right.

What people forget is that many Tea Party folks weren't fighting for themselves, but rather for their grandchildren. That is a powerful motivator for us K-selected types.

Blogger Were-Puppy December 12, 2015 1:14 PM  

@31 VD

Don't be ridiculous. It took them 50 years to get to this point. Are you going to whine and cry because it doesn't get turned around in six weeks?

---

He want's a microwave revolution.

Blogger Sheila4g December 12, 2015 1:15 PM  

@36 VD and numerous others -
So many excellent and valid points made here. Kudlow's motivations are undoubtedly not those of the milright, nor is his concern the resurrection of a White, European America. HOWEVER, as Vox has pointed out, regardless of whether Kudlow's concerns are genuine or mere posturing, the fact he has endorsed any restriction on immigration, let alone that of an entire ethnic group, is astounding and incredibly encouraging. Same from the vile Frum - sure, he's as stable as a weather vane, but the fact he's endorsing this forbidden fruit is amazing.

While sundry Jewish groups and *authorities* here and in Europe have condemned anyone calling for restricting Muslim immigration, I agree with Vox that the rank and file Jews appear to be genuinely scared. I cannot even anecdotally confirm this because I have no Jewish friends or acquaintances, and the only relative I am in regular contact with is my 85 year old mother, with whom I do not discuss politics. From my internet wanderings, however, I do get the sense a number of Jews who previously insisted in Ellis Island uber alles are now insisting that Muslims don't count because *Jewhate/anti-Semitism.* Trump has, I would argue deliberately, cleverly played into that in his call for ceasing merely Muslim immigration. Get the majority on board with that, and then it's truly no great leap to the rest of the milright's wish list. Sure, the Jews and globalist elites seem certain they can maintain control of the narrative and the process and pivot once they feel more secure, but I would argue they truly do not comprehend the general population's feelings, ranging from unsettled and concerned to frightened, angry, and raging.

As Vox has argued repeatedly here, we need to be coldly analytical and patient (not my strong suit) in this regard, and things can/do/will change unexpectedly and rapidly. I, for one, never saw this point actually coming, let alone being reached this soon. So my natural pessimism is tempered by great hope this morning, and I will go do a killer leg workout and glare at all the mystery meat at the gym with renewed vigor!

Blogger Were-Puppy December 12, 2015 1:16 PM  

@35 Andrew E.

Trump's response to Saudi Prince via twitter:

Dopey Prince @Alwaleed_Talal wants to control our U.S. politicians with daddy’s money. Can’t do it when I get elected. #Trump2016
---

I loved that! Just watched part of a Trump rally in SC. He spent a lot of time talking about 2nd Amendment. Also, there were some fairly pimp hats in the audience.

OpenID Jack Amok December 12, 2015 1:18 PM  

Does the sincerity of his newfound position matter, or is it delightful even if he's lying through his teeth?

Yes. In fact, it's even more delightful because victory won't be about making a few converts among the establishment, but about raising a tide of public opinion that sweeps the establishment away. If an establishment figure feels like he has to publically adopt our position to retain influence even when he doesn't agree with it, that means we are winning the culture battle on that issue.

Blogger Were-Puppy December 12, 2015 1:23 PM  

@47 John Diaz

Trump has the left calling for sealed borders wow just wow.
---

In the immortal words of the Obamaphone BLM:
"HE GONE DO MO'"

OpenID joeholocaust December 12, 2015 1:25 PM  

@56
It's just kind of funny to see how it's framed. Framing the discourse as a "window" implies that it's open and free. Framing it as Hegelian Dialectic is to say the discourse is (at least subtly) being manipulated. As to false flag operations, they're a fact of life. Period.

In fact, false flag operations are simply another aspect of Hegelian Dialectic in the physical sense. They create a paradigm in which the previously unthinkable can now be addressed and even cheered on. In other words, an event which results in the placement of a radical antithesis into the discourse that would previously have been dismissed is now taken seriously. The first famous false flag operation in modern times was the Reichstag fire that brought Hitler to power. The question is always cui bono.


I have yet to see any compelling evidence that suggests that a Nazi plot is the most likely scenario in the Reichstag Fire. I've looked into it and found articles, many written by Jews and hence, communist sympathizers who claim that 'historians have concluded that [the Nazis did it]'. When you look deeper to see how they came to such a conclusion you can only find unsubstantiated accounts of comments given by a thief and member of the SA claiming that his SA superior spoke of committing an arson.
Of course in ZOG Germany historians who want to be employed will tend to cling to hearsay of hearsay evidence and run with it if it supports the Jewish version of history. While Hitler benefitted from the fire that is not proof that he caused it just the same way that gun manufacturers and merchants didn't cause Obama to give alarming gun control remarks that caused gun sales to skyrocket in November. Use your heads and question everything the MSM tries to sell you. The Reichstag Fire myth is an example of the Big Lie technique of Jews accomplished by media monopoly and constant repetition. Cui bono does not equal mens rea.

Anonymous Andrew E. December 12, 2015 1:27 PM  

"63. Were-Puppy

Just watched part of a Trump rally in SC. He spent a lot of time talking about 2nd Amendment. Also, there were some fairly pimp hats in the audience."

He also spent quite a bit of time bashing Justice Edwards over Obamacare and explaining the type of Supreme Court Justices he would seek to appoint: basically, Clarence Thomas's.

Blogger The Other Robot December 12, 2015 1:27 PM  

Who knew there were Neo-Nazis in Germany.

Blogger Were-Puppy December 12, 2015 1:31 PM  

Neo-Nazis in Germany? That's kind of like being a Taco Bell in Mexico City.

Anonymous Yid Kid December 12, 2015 1:39 PM  

@2 roo_ster Kudlow does have motivations. First, he's rumored to be thinking of a Senate run in CT. So, yeah. Obvious. That brings us to:

@62 Sheila4g Your intuition is correct. There has been a growing divide over the last decade between the Jewish establishment and rank-and-file Jews, paralleling the same phenomenon outside but more sharply driven by Muslim/Leftist hatred and violence. Like their fellow Cathedralists, a reckoning is coming. Muslim violence will be the wedge, demographics the maul.

But I don't think it was San Bernadino that woke up Frum and Kudlow with a bang. I think it was a fuse lit in the 2 Paris attacks, and the realization that Europe will be Judenrein soon. SanBerdoo just tore away the barrier of distance, but I think this was coming anyway.

As for Jews who have converted to worshipping the Left, well, they follow the laws of their god. Their doubling down has made a judenrein Europe likely even if the Islamic invasion is turned back somehow. Shimshon is right - time for the Jews of Europe to come home.

Meanwhile, in America, Jews need to realize that to thrive, they need an omni-Christian country. By which I mean no one sect dominates, nor is there official status (too many denominations, don't set up a die-versity dynamic there) but the country is broadly understood to stand on Christian nationalist values and to celebrate that. I suspect that will be a much tougher mental shift for many Jews, but I believe the Orthodox could make it quickly if the insistence was both firm and non-hostile. A likely shared future under the persecution of a Leftist/pagan state will move a lot of OyVeyton Windows. And Orthodox vs. secular Jewish demographics (75% of Jewish kids in NYC are Orthodox now) will do the rest.

Blogger Doom December 12, 2015 1:50 PM  

What? Is Trump's money or popularity changing things, or have the brave Sir Robins of the nation decided to follow the King Arthur out of personal fears of many sorts? You know, it isn't so easy to follow the truly brave. I wonder if he knows the capital of Assyria? Just... asking.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan December 12, 2015 2:08 PM  

Larry should carry us the severed head of a SJW or two. If he tries to tone police or code of conduct us then his head gets severed

Blogger SciVo December 12, 2015 2:24 PM  

Artisanal Toad @56: It's just kind of funny to see how it's framed. Framing the discourse as a "window" implies that it's open and free. Framing it as Hegelian Dialectic is to say the discourse is (at least subtly) being manipulated. As to false flag operations, they're a fact of life. Period.

No, the whole point of the concept of the Overton window is that everything outside of it is socially unacceptable. It's a window in the sense of a space launch or re-entry window; you can't do anything outside of it or you could die.

That's why I treasure places like this, where people freely say things that I never heard before. I might not agree (and often don't), but I'm enriched either way.

And sure, false flags happen. But I can't accept that a particular incident is one without very strong evidence, or I wouldn't be able to interpret the world.

Anonymous WillBest December 12, 2015 2:33 PM  

He also spent quite a bit of time bashing Justice Edwards over Obamacare and explaining the type of Supreme Court Justices he would seek to appoint: basically, Clarence Thomas's.

At the rate he is going, I am going to feel like a Taylor Swift song when I vote for him.

Blogger F. Axe #437 December 12, 2015 2:38 PM  

There seem to be a lot of recovering cucks that feel the need to concern troll to alleviate their indoctrinated bad-feelz... Everyone repeat after me... WE DON'T CARE...FUCK'EM... (b-but what about the children/!?) WE DON'T CARE...FUCK'EM...(insert internal cuck platitude here) rinse and repeat as necessary. also, go read Mike Cernovich

Blogger SciVo December 12, 2015 2:52 PM  

Yid Kid @70: I suspect that will be a much tougher mental shift for many Jews, but I believe the Orthodox could make it quickly if the insistence was both firm and non-hostile.

White Christian Americans are quite possibly the most philo-semitic people in the world. (Which makes it hurtful when it seems to not be reciprocated, but that's a separate issue.) I'm confident that it will be as you say.

Blogger John Morris December 12, 2015 2:59 PM  

clk @ 8 said, "while it is legal to discriminate non citizens by basis of religion, its not PC"

Which is why Trump did it. He isn't attacking illegal immigration, muslim immigration, etc. He is attacking political correctness, progressives and SJWs in general because they are the problem. America can't become great again while the retain influence. Trump isn't an idiot, he has assessed the political landscape and correctly identified the problem.

Anonymous VFM #0202 December 12, 2015 3:00 PM  

Are you afraid to hope, or are you simply afraid to fight?

Don't be shy about repeating that one to the point of tedium.

Carthago delenda est.

Blogger newanubis December 12, 2015 3:07 PM  

Because tptb would never stoop so low as to murder a few useless eaters to further a cause, right?

Blogger Skylark Thibedeau December 12, 2015 3:12 PM  

Many of the Financial Institutions are importing or outsourcing H1B Sepoys and Pinoys to work their tech and customer service. Just wait til people wake up one Morning and their accounts are cleaned out and funds transferred to Islamabad or Ankara.

Blogger newanubis December 12, 2015 3:27 PM  

Because tptb would never stoop so low as to murder a few useless eaters to further a cause, right?

Blogger smraluvr December 12, 2015 3:28 PM  

And don't forget about the anchor babies. Bye Bye Babies!

OpenID joeholocaust December 12, 2015 3:28 PM  

Is there any race on the planet who love Jews more than whites? Do they have Jews living among them or do they just know of them from TV? Once whites are gone, the Jews will be alone in a cold, cruel world. Israel has a wall and nukes, though, so they should be alright. The earlier they go there the easier it will be to secure a spot to live on.

Grinder

Blogger smraluvr December 12, 2015 3:29 PM  

Dual citizenship should go too. Someone else said that. Good idea.

Blogger SciVo December 12, 2015 3:31 PM  

newanubis @79: Because tptb would never stoop so low as to murder a few useless eaters to further a cause, right?

I could certainly believe that our covert agencies are filled with sociopaths, and of course our leaders don't care about anything so mundane as morals; but if you want to change my beliefs about a particular incident, then you have to change my evidence.

Blogger Groot December 12, 2015 3:32 PM  

@12. That Would Be Telling:

Godfrey: bordering on monomania. (Shorter, funny.)

Regarding Kudlow, give these older guys a break. You guys are spoiled by Vox, who attacks the Gordian Knot with a sword. These guys have been fighting this battle for decades, often alone, trying to move and expand this Overton Window the size of a postage stamp.

The Overton Window is a great term, especially now, because it has shifted from background frame to the foreground, expanding and shifting with a speed that is fascinating.

I'm reading The Rational Optimist, by Matt Ridley. He describes how popular predictions of doom are. Some of you are pessimophiles, addicted to pessimism porn. It can be fun, like ZeroHedge, but, come on, good news is good news.

Blogger clk December 12, 2015 4:02 PM  

Where Trump messed up was to define the problem as muslim.. what he should have said would block all immigration from any country that has a terrorist/crime/drug problem...while it is legal to discriminate non citizens by basis of religion, its not PC ...you just need to block on a country wide basis and then there will be no issues.

Blogger RobertT December 12, 2015 4:05 PM  

I agree. As the world continues to balkanize, this appears to be the probable outcome. But the death throes of the elite international establishment will be vicious indeed. Hopefully Putin doesn't nuke us before we have time to pull it off.

Blogger Artisanal Toad December 12, 2015 4:08 PM  

@73 No, the whole point of the concept of the Overton window is that everything outside of it is socially unacceptable. It's a window in the sense of a space launch or re-entry window; you can't do anything outside of it or you could die. [My Edit]

I said "Framing the discourse as a "window" implies that it's open and free. Framing it as Hegelian Dialectic is to say the discourse is (at least subtly) being manipulated."

Your comment just proved my point. If everything outside the Overton Window is socially unacceptable [to the majority of voters], then by definition everything inside it is socially acceptable and people can engage in dialogue about it and make their choices in a free and open environment. That, however, isn't true.

There is always someone available to stake out a position outside the window to stretch the frame and some people have more power than others in that respect.

One of the strategies of the gay rights movement was to make homosexuality acceptable by having popular entertainers and others in the public eye announce they were gay. The process of intentionally taking a position outside the window in order to change the frame is what Hegelian dialectic is: intentionally staking out a radical position in order to get a synthesis closer to the desired goal. We now see homosexual marriage firmly within the window. But people don't like to think they're being manipulated, thus, the dialogue is framed in terms of a window in which choosing *anything* inside the window is viewed as a safe choice.

Another way of manipulating the window was described by Malcolm Gladwell in his book "The Tipping Point."

The Law of the Few contends that before widespread popularity can be attained, a few key types of people must champion an idea, concept, or product before it can reach the tipping point. Gladwell describes these key types as Connectors, Mavens, and Salesmen. If individuals representing all three of these groups endorse and advocate a new idea, it is much more likely that it will tip into exponential success.

Gladwell defines the Stickiness Factor as the quality that compels people to pay close, sustained attention to a product, concept, or idea. Stickiness is hard to define, and its presence or absence often depends heavily on context. Often, the way that the Stickiness Factor is generated is unconventional, unexpected, and contrary to received wisdom. (from wikisummaries)


LARRY KUDLOW IS A COMBINATION OF MAVEN, CONNECTOR AND SALESMAN

Think of the phrase "That is so September tenth!" Cusp events like 9/11 have the power to shape context in amazing ways, which is why false flag operations are so useful to those who desire to "wag the dog."

Re: Evidence

False flag operations, by definition, are run as covert operations designed to be theater productions that sway the target audience in a particular direction and get them to do something they would not have done otherwise. Great care is taken so that there is no strong evidence (the goal is no evidence at all) that it was a false flag operation but there is always evidence.

The real problem with your demand for strong evidence is when a false flag operation is run by elements of your own government and supported by the media, the perps control the evidence. This is why you need a more nuanced worldview and need to keep repeating this: "In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way." Roosevelt didn't actually say that, but it's true anyway, even if you can't see who planned it or understand what their plan is.

@84 I inherited mine, 3rd generation to never travel back to the old country, but that passport is really nice for international travel. My kids are all tri-national, one is quad-national and I worked hard to make that happen. The world is a dangerous place.

Blogger Danby December 12, 2015 4:48 PM  

@87 clk
Where Trump messed up was to define the problem as muslim, what he should have said would block all immigration from any country that has a terrorist/crime/drug problem...while it is legal to discriminate non citizens by basis of religion, its not PC
We don't care. PC is dead. As of last week, anyone who cares about PC has no voice in the debate. PC can kiss my red-haired ass. Besides, really, the tone policing is counterproductive, and in the current environment, could be dangerous.
Trump's entire appeal is his ability to tell the PC scolds to STFU.

...you just need to block on a country wide basis and then there will be no issues.
So which country would be safe to allow people from? Sweden? France? Germany? India? Philippines? Russia? China? Burma? Thailand? Australia? Canada?
no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no and no. Too many Jihadis.
Foreign travel would be reduced to Korea and Japan.

Blogger Danby December 12, 2015 4:55 PM  

@89
I inherited mine, 3rd generation to never travel back to the old country, but that passport is really nice for international travel. My kids are all tri-national, one is quad-national and I worked hard to make that happen. The world is a dangerous place.
Too bad. You make me so sad that you worked so hard for an advantage, based on your birth, unavailable to the rest of us. Why I bet you had to fill out just a ton of forms, and look up birth records and everything.
Citizens of the world can't claim to be Americans. Forgive me if I suspect your loyalty and commitment to the American people.

American or foreigner. Choose.

Blogger F. Axe #437 December 12, 2015 5:14 PM  

I love the puritanical nature of the new Mil-Right. ZFG

OpenID Jack Amok December 12, 2015 5:24 PM  

Artisanal Toad, you're saying the same thing as SciVo about the Overton Window, but you're too caught up in you own argument to realize it. You're both right, you don't need to keep pounding away.

And as to "Hegelian dialectic", the negotiating tactic of anchoring is a similar concept, and Trump is a very experienced negotiator.

Blogger rumpole5 December 12, 2015 5:47 PM  

That ship sailed for the USA when some white people didn't want to pay for personal services and imported Africans. We've all been paying the piper for their little jigs ever since.

Anonymous That Would Be Telling December 12, 2015 5:51 PM  

@90: PC is dead. As of last week, anyone who cares about PC has no voice in the debate. PC can kiss my red-haired ass.

That may be true for you, but before reading your comment I was thinking that for a whole lot of people, the size of the Overton window has not necessarily changed a lot. Those in SJW dominated fields like science in the US can still lose not just their jobs but their careers if they stray too far from the field. The Republican Donor Class may loathe Trump, may be too frightened of the pasting they'd get if they attack him, but the cuckservatives who financially depend on them, and who might be willing to move on issues like immigration, still can't stray far from the field.

So we should watch people like Kudlow who for whatever reason are now committing lèse majesté. Why are they doing this? What makes them think they'll get away with it? Will they get away with it, in the short or long term? And so on.

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales December 12, 2015 6:10 PM  

What about repatriating say, a muslim 'us citizen' who wants to join the army to fight ISIS?

I'm currently in a debate with some dhimmmi who still buys into that Islamic extremism crap and it's gotten heated to the point where he's making the claim that, by my logic, he saying Catholics who support gay marriage aren't Catholic in response to my claim that, if his friend really is as moderate as he claims him to be, he isn't muslim and should stop calling himself that to avoid the suspicion of others who will assume he actually believes the Koran and Hadith and will take him to task for it like the so called extremists.

Though it's evident his attempt at reducto absurdum isn't all that absurd (especially since I'm not even Catholic) since Catholics who support gay marriage are Catholic in the same way that Catholic's who worship Satan are Catholics, he's pulled out the race card even though Islam isn't a race and even though I'm the kind of Puerto-Rican with brown skin and big, fuck off taino lips.

How do I convince him that his friend, therefore, deserves to, to be safe, expatriated to one of the dozen or so majority Islamic countries when, from his views, he wants to join the army to fight ISIS?

Blogger Groot December 12, 2015 6:28 PM  

The amazing expanding window:

Rich Lowry (!):

"But it’s not unconstitutional. Trump’s detractors, and even some of his fellow Republicans, can’t help making this charge, even though it betrays a misunderstanding, not just of the Constitution but of the very nature of a sovereign nation.

"'We do not discriminate on people based on religion,' Ben Carson said in response to Trump’s proposal, 'that’s constitutional, that’s in the First Amendment.' Of course, he’s right. Except the First Amendment isn’t a free-floating grant of rights to all of mankind.

"We are a sovereign country with the right to exclude whomever we want from coming here. In keeping with this basic attribute of nationhood, a long line of Supreme Court cases have upheld the “plenary power” of the political branches to set immigration policy in any way they please."

Blogger Jack Hanson December 12, 2015 6:31 PM  

This reads more like Larry realizing the way the wind is blowing and hoping to not end up in front of a reactionary militia tribunal.

Blogger Jack Hanson December 12, 2015 6:32 PM  

This reads more like Larry realizing the way the wind is blowing and hoping to not end up in front of a reactionary militia tribunal.

Blogger David-093 December 12, 2015 7:36 PM  

@Artisonal

So you're prepared to jump ship if things get too heated stateside? I'm so glad we've got you on our team, your loyalty is inspiring.

And save the "I don't owe loyalty or my kids' lives to a country that hates me" bullshit that inevitably follows these discussions on America's fate. You're either one of us or you're not, there are no "dual citizens".

Blogger bob k. mando December 12, 2015 7:56 PM  

100. David-093 December 12, 2015 7:36 PM
You're either one of us or you're not, there are no "dual citizens".



so long as you're willing to admit that the 'United States' as a nation now serves overtly Satanic goals.

Blogger clk December 12, 2015 8:33 PM  

How did my comment at @8 get reposted at @87 I didn't do it.. is there someone else using my ID ? If there is, please stop .. I get myself in enough trouble without someone else posting as me..

If you look, you will see that VDs 3rd comment was "..Repatriate all illegals, criminals, dual-citizens, and nationals from Muslim countries." ... you can see he stated "nationals from Muslim countries" ..and not just Muslims... the point being is that you cant tell what a person's religion is without asking them (and do you think an ISIS extremist wouldn't lie) the best you can do is make assumptions based on nationality.

That's why any practical policy of limiting immigration has to be based on something like nationality and country of origin and not religion. There have been plenty of times in US history where the number of immigrants from a given country has been limited. So the US starts with limits on any country with Muslim extremists/governments etc

@90 "We don't care. PC is dead. As of last week, anyone who cares about PC has no voice in the debate. PC can kiss my red-haired ass. Besides, really, the tone policing is counterproductive, and in the current environment, could be dangerous....Trump's entire appeal is his ability to tell the PC scolds to STFU. "

Since you seem to be proud of your red haired ass .. my ass is as red haired as any true scotsman/Irishman but I will refrain from suggesting anyone kiss it..:) If I am here on VP you can assume that I am not worried about being PC ... but the opposite being PC should never be stupidity...The point is that Trump will need at some point to transition from his current "mode" to winning a general election and as such will need to appeal to 51% of the general voting population. If he cant win in the general election, then all he has done is give us 16 months of a reality show.

If Hillary says in the race (and I think there is still a chance she will be eliminated thru an indictment) .. it will be really hard for Trump to win unless he moves center a bit .. the 30% he is enjoying in the primary translates to about 10-15% in the general election -- and that will not be enough to beat a middle/left Hillary..


Blogger Were-Puppy December 12, 2015 9:26 PM  

@67 Andrew E.

He also spent quite a bit of time bashing Justice Edwards over Obamacare and explaining the type of Supreme Court Justices he would seek to appoint: basically, Clarence Thomas's.
---

I just noticed, but it was Justice Roberts he was raking over the coals.

Blogger Artisanal Toad December 12, 2015 9:28 PM  

@91

I was waiting for that Danby.

"unavailable to the rest of us."

You sound a bit butt-hurt but no, if you researched it you'd know it's all about time and money. Doesn't take much money or time to get permanent residency in *some* former colonies of Spain. Wait a year or two (or pay off the right person and it's immediate) and you're a citizen. Now you can apply for residency in Spain on that passport. Spain has a special provision allowing citizens of former colonies to enter as hidalgos and the residency period is only 2 years for citizenship. You don't even have to do much more than visit occasionally. That gives you EU citizenship and you're tri-national.

Anybody that wants to can do it, it's just time and money. One advantage is you can open a foreign bank account with the other passport and the account won't be reported. That probably pisses you off because as of about 5 years ago, the US required any financial account opened by a US citizen be reported to the US with regular reports of how much money is in there.

Yep, foreign passport = financial privacy + insurance against confiscation.

Your "American or foreigner: Choose" is a false dichotomy because I was never a foreigner in the first place. I've always been an American, always will be and unless your family was here before the 1620's, arguably I'm more of an American than you are... but I also have the birthright of citizenship elsewhere.

Here's the point though, so pay attention: I love my country but I don't trust my government one bit, whether it's the shitlibs in charge now or if the mil-right took over. The only government I'll trust is when Jesus Christ comes back. Til then I'm not giving up my weapons or any other tool. A foreign passport is just that.

If you or anyone else doesn't like that, too bad. I don't care.

The reason your false dichotomy is bullshit is the issue isn't citizenship, it's loyalty; and no Muslim can ever truly be loyal to Western Christian Civilization.

Cultural assimilation, over time, produces loyal citizens who have the feeling of belonging to the culture. Without assimilation, being born here or getting naturalized doesn't because those are just pieces of paper. Plenty of Muslim, Hispanic and black citizens are not loyal to this country, they just live here to leech. The whites in that category are worse- they're traitors. The problem is, if the government can arbitrarily strip them of their citizenship, it can strip you of your citizenship. Follow? Do you trust the government with that power? I don't.

The only thing that will fix things at this point will be a war of extermination and it better happen quickly while the whites still maintain enough military power to win. In the meanwhile, if you want a loyalty test it's service in the armed forces. Sign that check that says "pay any amount up to and including my life" and hand it over so you can go shoot hadjis. I've done it. What about you Danby? Ever had that ginger ass in uniform?

@100
So you're prepared to jump ship if things get too heated stateside? And save the "I don't owe loyalty or my kids' lives to a country that hates me" bullshit that inevitably follows these discussions on America's fate.

David, I am a Southron and that's a party I'd like to attend, but I'd ship my kids out before getting started. After that I'd get my ex a collar & leash and when I wasn't out decorating street lamps and otherwise making myself useful I'd train the bitch to heel and fetch. But what you guys don't seem to understand is dual nationality is like a gun- it depends on who's holding it and what it's used for.

However, I honestly don't see it going down that way.

Blogger Vox IV December 12, 2015 9:57 PM  

The point is that Trump will need at some point to transition from his current "mode" to winning a general election and as such will need to appeal to 51% of the general voting population.

The point is, you're assuming you know what it takes to appeal to the public better than Trump.


@Artisnal Toad
Of course you're a loyal American, that's why you have citizenship in two other countries and the EU. You would never betray fellow Americans, that's why you've given your fealty to other nations. You're very very brave, a hero really, that's why you're prepared to bolt the moment fire opens.

Just as loyal as loyal can be.

Blogger The Other Robot December 12, 2015 11:04 PM  

There is a new poll out in Iowa showing Cruz 10 points ahead of Trump. Cruz on 31% and Trump on 21%.

This is suspicious. Are voters in Iowa that much different than voters elsewhere who seem to be thronging to Trump.

Is this the first indication that they intend to steal the election?

Put out false polls then use massive electoral fraud ...

Blogger Artisanal Toad December 12, 2015 11:26 PM  

@106

SJW's Always Project. ... Check

Relax, the train is fine.

Blogger Vox IV December 13, 2015 12:27 AM  

@108
Toad, you arrogant slut....

Blogger SciVo December 13, 2015 12:38 AM  

Artisanal Toad @90:

I suspect that we're in "aggressive agreement" about the window. Regarding evidence, I will take your recommendation under cautious advisement.

Blogger SciVo December 13, 2015 1:06 AM  

Emmanuel Mateo-Morales @97: How do I convince him that his friend, therefore, deserves to, to be safe, expatriated to one of the dozen or so majority Islamic countries when, from his views, he wants to join the army to fight ISIS?

This isn't complicated. Remind him of how the Spanish had to have an Inquisition because of taqiyya. La Reconquista took from 711 to 1492 and got really brutal against Mohammedans because of their deceitfulness. It's not his fault that his religion encourages deceit, but he will be safer either renouncing it or emigrating.

Blogger SciVo December 13, 2015 1:16 AM  

clk @103: How did my comment at @8 get reposted at @87 I didn't do it

This blogspot thing has an annoying tendency to repost a comment when you merely back up in your browser.

Blogger SciVo December 13, 2015 1:23 AM  

clk @103: If Hillary says in the race (and I think there is still a chance she will be eliminated thru an indictment) .. it will be really hard for Trump to win unless he moves center a bit .. the 30% he is enjoying in the primary translates to about 10-15% in the general election -- and that will not be enough to beat a middle/left Hillary..

/facepalm

There are two teams. One has ten contestants, so the average is ten percent, and the other has only two so the average is fifty percent. Which one will win in the end?

Anonymous That Would Be Telling December 13, 2015 6:13 AM  

There is a new poll out in Iowa showing Cruz 10 points ahead of Trump. Cruz on 31% and Trump on 21%.

This is suspicious. Are voters in Iowa that much different than voters elsewhere who seem to be thronging to Trump.


It is now so difficult to do quality polling that I don't pay much attention to them.

Anonymous Bz December 13, 2015 8:27 AM  

Danby, I would admittedly chuckle if Sweden was blocked because of their jihadist inclinations. If so, please YouTube the look on the faces of the smug white fools turned back at Arrivals.

Blogger The Other Robot December 13, 2015 10:24 AM  

This blogspot thing has an annoying tendency to repost a comment when you merely back up in your browser.

Doesn't seem to happen in PaleMoon.

Anonymous That Would Be Telling December 13, 2015 11:28 AM  

@116: I've never gotten a repost in either Google Chrome or Chromium, both running on Linux.

Blogger clk December 13, 2015 1:16 PM  

@112 ... facepalm ?

I am not sure what you mean but I will say that statistics is more than math...:)

The point here is trying to map primary performance to general election performance. I am transforming support as a percentage in primary to percentage potential support in the general election.

Look at it this way -- there three classes of people in any election -- (1) those that will vote for a candidate no matter what, (2) those that will not vote to a candidate not matter what and (2) those in the middle. In a primary you have an inverted bell curve, those most likely to support a candidate are in groups (1) and (3) --- there is a high confidence that you don't loose that support from primary to general election.. but because the pool is smaller in the primary, you have to find a way to translate the support in the primary to general election. I used as a transformation function the ratio of republican votes to total votes (you could also use the ratio of democratic votes to total votes) - which turns out to be somewhere between .45 and .55 -- so I used .5 as the conversion factor (makes the math easier)-- so if Trump wins on 30% of the primary, those 30% translate into 30*.5 = 15% in the general. Since you need 50.001% to win, I then used 50-15 -35% is the portion of the total votes he has to win in the general election; Now if Hillary wins 60% in the primary, those translate into 30% in the general, and thus she need to win over 50-30 = 20% additional votes. This also means that when the general election starts with roughly 30+15% is already decided...

General election populations will be the standard normal curve and thus the most amount of voters will be found by towards the middle from either tail.... you can fill in the tails at both sides from the primary data and the remainder have to be won over, tricked or bought off...

Now obviously this is a bit off because we have an indirect process thru the electoral college which tend to quantize the data, but it still is correct in concept.

@113 "There are two teams. One has ten contestants, so the average is ten percent, and the other has only two so the average is fifty percent. Which one will win in the end?"

Your incorrect because you assume that each candidate has an equal probability of matching the criteria of the electorate in the primary.. all the 10 republicans are not the same, dont share the same positions and don't draw form the same group (as you could see from the pole numbers). For example Trump and Cruz share similar supporters; Bush and Rubio (Bush lite) supporters are quite different -- as has already been stated in the press, Trump/Cruz cannot be assured that a former supporter of Bush/Rubio would move to them.

All of this is why we tend to end up with candidates that are middle left, middle right .. because that math says that this is where the largest number of uncommitted votes are ... but then we get candidates like Mitt, Gore -- Gore did win but lost on the appeal to the supreme; Mitt ran against another factor - every single black in american - sans Herman Cain, voted for him...

Its the same logic as to why the RNC is worries about a 3rd party run bu Cruz, Trump or Carlson --- they take the group 1 with them and the remainder is not enough to beat the Dems...

Post a Comment

Rules of the blog
Please do not comment as "Anonymous". Comments by "Anonymous" will be spammed.

<< Home

Newer Posts Older Posts