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Wednesday, December 02, 2015

San Bernardino shooting

12 people killed in shooting at San Bernardino social services facility.

The shooting took place at the Inland Regional Center, a nonprofit that works with individuals with developmental disabilities, at 1365 S. Waterman Avenue. The complex is comprised of three buildings.

Investigators were searching the building and have yet to clear it. Police said there were reports of one to three shooters involved, and they were described to be wearing ski masks.

A source confirmed to Eyewitness News that there were three shooters armed with rifles, and there were no suspects in custody. Riverside police said they are helping other agencies look for male suspects in a black SUV, possibly a GMC Yukon.
I look forward to hearing Dr. Carson blame the hateful rhetoric concerning individuals with developmental disabilities. In any event, what an unnecessary tragedy... if only they had thought to make the Center a gun-free zone this could have been avoided.

Archived link to initial reports.

Seriously, though, this one looks a little strange, unless the "white" men turn out to be of the "white Chechnyan" variety. Even allowing for "crazy enough to spree kill, why would a group of three men target a nondescript non-profit? If it was one guy, you'd think bad romance or disgruntled employee; a group of three makes it look like jihadist terrorism, but the shooters were described as white and why would jihadists target the Inland Regional Center?

Anyhow, yet another reminder. Always carry. Don't leave home unarmed.

UPDATE: The Other Robot comments: Whites, eh? POSSIBLE SUSPECT: Farook Syed, was acting nervous, left building, 20 minutes later shooting occurred, matches description. 

Farook, is that an Irish name?

UPDATE 2: Good updates at The Last Refuge.

UPDATE 3: Police feed is here. Sounds like a shootout has started. Helicopters and M4s. Male, dark-skinned description. One guy down, one guy in the back of a car. Heard shouts of "hold your fire."

They're bringing in a Bearcat. One suspect down inside the car, one on the run.

Call for medical aid. Officer down, but hit by ricochet. He's okay and doesn't need immediate medical attention. They can't get the Bearcat through the traffic down the

Mention of bodies, plural, inside the car. Sounds like they got two, are in pursuit of the third.

"Is that our Bearcat?" (Made me laugh. Are there a lot of them in California?)

They're setting up for a crossfire. Sounds risky. One down in the street, but moving.

One detained. One confirmed in custody. Sealing off the perimeter around the car.

One suspect alive in the backseat. SWAT team being sent out to an address, they know who these guys are now.

They're going into the address. "It's like female Arabic".

Interesting to see how cautious they are. "We're sitting ducks." They want air support and more units. Not hard to see why police units historically fare poorly in combat.

Body was just pulled out of the SUV. 

All suspects now believed accounted for.

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Anonymous A Visitor December 02, 2015 3:57 PM  

Ah, the Inland Empire...I have two friends who work federally in LA that may be working on this one. Condolences to the deceased and their families.

OT: Also, Gaiseric, when were you at A&M?

Anonymous Adam1 December 02, 2015 3:58 PM  

Why can`t we get shooters with some brains...like shooting up an I.R.S. center.

Anonymous Viidad December 02, 2015 4:04 PM  

How bizarre. God have mercy on the victims' souls.

Blogger VD December 02, 2015 4:05 PM  

Why can`t we get shooters with some brains.

*** CONSPIRACY ALERT ***

Maybe they're ATF and they've decided to make another false flag push for gun control.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian December 02, 2015 4:07 PM  

Maybe they're ATF and they've decided to make another false flag push for gun control.

It is a very odd target/location....

Anonymous Ain December 02, 2015 4:07 PM  

That was my first thought.

Anonymous MR December 02, 2015 4:08 PM  

Because t3h PeNgU1N oF d00m says being "random" creates more fear among the rest of the penguins... puts down spork.

Anonymous Ain December 02, 2015 4:08 PM  

@5, not if it's to provoke public outrage.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian December 02, 2015 4:08 PM  

@1 when were you at A&M?

I have always wondered how many Aggies post or lurk these parts.

Anonymous buckeyecopperhead December 02, 2015 4:08 PM  

2 of the 3 suspects are paid federal informers

Anonymous Gecko December 02, 2015 4:10 PM  

Vox, I remember you saying something like, "Sandy Hook demonstrated that shooting up a bunch of schoolchildren will only lead Americans to clear the shelves in gun stores."

In that case, conspiracy or no, the brain question still stands.

Anonymous JT December 02, 2015 4:11 PM  

I'm not a fan of conspiracy theories, though there certainly are numerous instances of conspiracy and collusion. If even 1% of conspiracy theories are true we are totally screwed.

But it strikes me as very peculiar how quickly this happened after O's latest push for gun confiscation. Ordinarily they could just wait for a "naturally occurring" shooting, something that isn't all that rare in a country of 320 million. Now though, they know that we have reckoned their number, and that time is running short.

Blogger Sam Lively December 02, 2015 4:11 PM  

This place is 10 miles north of me. Apparently specializes in helping kids with autism (Dr. Ben's going to be coming after Vox for his inflammatory rhetoric towards the train-is-fine crowd).

Could it be abused former clients? That's the only rationale I can come up with for the team approach.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian December 02, 2015 4:12 PM  

I can't imagine a group of real terrrrists (whatever their affiliation) sitting around, discussing possible targets, and then one jumps up and says, "let's go shoot up the 'tards!"

"Yes, it about thime 'tards got what's comin' to 'em!"

Anonymous Jabari December 02, 2015 4:12 PM  

Over at AoSHQ, they're saying that the shooting was in a conference room/area that was being rented out for/used by and outside group.

Blogger pyrrhus December 02, 2015 4:16 PM  

Yes, lots of white friends named Farook....

Blogger AdognamedOp December 02, 2015 4:19 PM  

One scenario: Muzzies sneak across Southern border, shoot up a place then drive back down.

Blogger Alexander Thompson December 02, 2015 4:19 PM  

Why a developmental disabilities center though?

Blogger VD December 02, 2015 4:21 PM  

Why a developmental disabilities center though?

It's one of the few places these days nobody carries.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 December 02, 2015 4:21 PM  

And apparently a bunch of people are attacking Ted Cruz on Twitter for offering his thoughts and prayers to the victims and 1st responders instead of passing gun control.

Obviously, gun control would have stopped this shooting. Except for the part where we find out, tomorrow, that these were Islamic terrorists who brought their guns in from Mexico. Or that they stole them from a Nat'l Guard armory. Or something along those lines.

Blogger Unknown December 02, 2015 4:22 PM  

Farook is an old Amish name. Those anabaptist communities are hotbeds of violence and domestic terrorism.

Seriously, I wonder if the mohammedans will ever be able to kill enough people fast enough to make the liberals take notice?

Anonymous The other robot December 02, 2015 4:22 PM  

The Conservative Treehouse says:

SUSPECTS IN dark full size GMC suv per police radiol possible name FAROOK SYED - PER SAN BERNADINO POLICE

That is where previous citing of possible suspect came from as well.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 December 02, 2015 4:23 PM  

I remember reading about a NG armory that got robbed a few weeks ago. Anyone else hear about that? I think it was in New England, but that hardly matters; going a long distance to get your guns might make it harder for people to make the connection, yeah?

Anonymous Ain December 02, 2015 4:23 PM  

"Farook, is that an Irish name?"

O'Farook, perhaps.

Blogger Sam Lively December 02, 2015 4:24 PM  

Quick google as Farook Syed as an environmental health specialist for SB County.

Only non-US news sites seem to be running with his name.

Blogger Steve, the Dark Ninja of Mockery December 02, 2015 4:24 PM  

Very, very strange.

There are 6 mosques within a 20 minute drive of the Inland Regional Centre, so could be the religion of rest-in-peace again.

But I can't see Allah rewarding anybody who shoots the mentally handicapped. There are more obvious targets for jihad in that area.

Blogger AdognamedOp December 02, 2015 4:25 PM  

Looking at some of the live coverage, I'm betting the shooters could've walked briskly past those fat LEOs and got away. Damn.
Anyone see that "war bobcat"?

Blogger Red Jack December 02, 2015 4:26 PM  

If there are any Ilk in Indy, is there something going on there? Someone posted it on a message board that there was something going on there.

Police radio feed of San Bernadeno

http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/12443/web

Blogger Hammerli280 December 02, 2015 4:27 PM  

I'm seeing reports that the conference room was rented out for a Christmas party at the time of the shooting.

Blogger Danby December 02, 2015 4:27 PM  

But I can't see Allah rewarding anybody who shoots the mentally handicapped. There are more obvious targets for jihad in that area.

Any victim is good enough for the death cult. What's the target value of the audience listening to a hipster band with an ironic name?

Blogger Noah B #120 December 02, 2015 4:30 PM  

I've heard of other cases of muslims going homicidal when other muslims were celebrating Christmas. There was one massacre here in Grapevine a couple of years ago where a muslim killed his ex-wife and her whole family just b/c they were celebrating Christmas.

Blogger Michelle *VFM #311* December 02, 2015 4:33 PM  

Reddit has a live stream going as well. https://www.reddit.com/live/w0nn1o5hu90y

Blogger smraluvr December 02, 2015 4:34 PM  

This is a professional job methodically and calmly done by trained operatives as a dry run-false flag, whatever you want to call it. There is no reason for this target to be chosen for any reason other than to stir up anti-gun sentiments, which are happening now and will ramp up to a fever pitch as is the desired result. But, as someone has already said on this forum, it's a shame that this location was not a designated "gun-free" zone. THAT would have prevented all this.

Blogger BunE22 December 02, 2015 4:35 PM  

Supposedly there was a Christmas party going on in a room that was rented out and an event honoring someone. Not sure of the event, that just came over the news and I wasn't really paying attention.

There has to be a camera nearby that caught the license plate of the suspicious vehicle. There are cameras everywhere today.

Blogger Steve, the Dark Ninja of Mockery December 02, 2015 4:37 PM  

I see that nice lady Nancy Pelosi hasn't waited for the bodies to cool before using them as a soapbox to demand gun control.

If only you had more restrictive gun control like they do in France or Mexico, none of this would have happened.

Blogger VD December 02, 2015 4:38 PM  

This is a professional job methodically and calmly done by trained operatives as a dry run-false flag, whatever you want to call it.

I doubt it. It is looking more like jihad. Also, Sandy Hook demonstrated that the response to shootings is more demand for guns and liberal carry laws, not more gun control.

Blogger Danby December 02, 2015 4:39 PM  

There has to be a camera nearby that caught the license plate of the suspicious vehicle. There are cameras everywhere today.
The vehicle is already abandoned on a side road somewhere.

Anonymous The other robot December 02, 2015 4:40 PM  

People need to be be recording their local police scanner feeds ...

So we can compare afterwards what they say.

Anonymous buckeyecopperhead December 02, 2015 4:44 PM  

Don't expect a truthful narrative from the MSM or gubmint anytime soon. Hell, I'm still waiting to read Vester Flanagan's manifesto.

Blogger Sam Lively December 02, 2015 4:45 PM  

@34

One of the treehouse commenters said it was a Christmas party for county employees, which would explain the Farook Syed county employee connection.

Blogger Matthew Taylor December 02, 2015 4:48 PM  

"According to a White House official, President Obama "has been briefed by his Homeland Security advisor, Lisa Monaco, about the shooting in San Bernardino and has asked to be updated on the situation as it develops."


— Christina Bellantoni "

Funny thing, though - we still don't know what he was doing while Ambassador Stevens was being murdered by Terrorists in Benghazi...

Anonymous A Visitor December 02, 2015 4:48 PM  

@28

I live just northwest of Indy. Nothing going on that I know of.

@9 There's at least two (myself and Gaiseric), possibly three (the two of us + Al Cibedes), that I know of. You?

Blogger Jourdan December 02, 2015 4:48 PM  

My wife worked there for 4 years. Holy shit, she..we..are freaked out.

Blogger Phillip George December 02, 2015 4:53 PM  

terrorist attacks are on all of us. We can defy these vile nondescript people of no particular religious affiliation by continuing to have children and keep getting them vaccinated.

Also re: conspiracy. It's worth looking at who has long options in the candle stick market. With candle lit vigils at sunset tonight and extensive media coverage of the ensuing unity the candle market will reach record highs.

Blogger Jourdan December 02, 2015 4:54 PM  

The area is an absolute shithole of modern American diversity. Mexican gangsters, Salvadorean savages, Vietnamese car gangs, Inland Empire black L.A. gang wannabes, biker meth heads, you name it. The center serves both developmentally disabled children and adults and from time to time there are termination of parental rights cases that stem from there, so it could be that as well.

Shit, knowing modern day San Berdo, it could be anybody responsible.

Blogger VD December 02, 2015 4:57 PM  

The center serves both developmentally disabled children and adults and from time to time there are termination of parental rights cases that stem from there, so it could be that as well.

Not three guys in masks and AK-47s... unless they're trying to make it look like jihad to throw off investigators.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian December 02, 2015 4:57 PM  

@42

Aye. Class of '94

Anonymous Reader December 02, 2015 4:59 PM  

Farook sounds a muslim name, to me, or at least middle eastern. I had a Pakistan co-worker whose first name is Szyed.

Blogger Steve, the Dark Ninja of Mockery December 02, 2015 4:59 PM  

Danby - Any victim is good enough for the death cult.

True, but there's usually some sort of point to terrorism. Some propaganda aim.

Looks like whoever did it was going after county officials though.

Blogger Jourdan December 02, 2015 5:01 PM  

@46 Vox, I suspect you're right, but a lot of these third worlders are clannish. They may agree to avenge a slight together. I could see three Pakistani bothers doing this if the eldest lost rights to his son, for example. It does look like a jihadi killing at this point. No doubt there.

Blogger BunE22 December 02, 2015 5:01 PM  

Vehicle on a golf course with multiple weapons in it. Grey Chrysler mini van

Blogger Cataline Sergius December 02, 2015 5:02 PM  

Not three guys in masks and AK-47s... unless they're trying to make it look like jihad to throw off investigators.

It's early yet. The reporters are reporting everything, everybody says at this point.

The choice of target seems wrong for ISIS. They would favor a Friday night attack on people out on the town. Not mental patients.

Blogger Jeff Y December 02, 2015 5:02 PM  

@31

Shout out from Coppell.

Anonymous Gecko December 02, 2015 5:03 PM  

There has to be a camera nearby that caught the license plate of the suspicious vehicle.

Common crooks are can be pretty good at knowing where the blind spots are. Be mindful of the false sense of security.

Anonymous BigGaySteve December 02, 2015 5:07 PM  

Two women plotting to give negative peer reviews to a third is a conspiracy. But I like to tell people "What if there is no conspiracy and the government really is that stupid?"

Why can`t we get shooters with some brains...like shooting up an I.R.S. center.

If they had brains they would be deliver free hemlock donuts there.

Ordinarily they could just wait for a "naturally occurring" shooting, something that isn't all that rare in a country of 320 million

They passed up a black shooting 17 at a playground in New Orleans on Saturday. Never mind, doesn't fit narrative.

Why a developmental disabilities center though?It's one of the few places these days nobody carries.

They might not even have what passes for hospital security guards there.

But I can't see Allah rewarding anybody who shoots the mentally handicapped.

Perhaps they served ham to one of their spawn or had a picture book of moo ham mad.

Hell, I'm still waiting to read Vester Flanagan's manifesto.

I can give you links to some ex's facebook pages that probably read similar, if you are done reading everything Castalia House has to offer.

Blogger Sam Lively December 02, 2015 5:07 PM  

If it is a cell with a general order to spread terror, it would make sense they attack a soft target they know well to maximize body count and chances of escape as opposed to a higher profile target.

Might even be more effective. If you can get attacked at a podunk Christmas party in the middle of the Inland Empire, you can get attacked anywhere.

And it is technically an American government target.

Anonymous WaterBoy December 02, 2015 5:09 PM  

VD @ 36: "Also, Sandy Hook demonstrated that the response to shootings is more demand for guns and liberal carry laws, not more gun control."

Per the FBI, Black Friday background checks shatter single day record at 185,345. Coincidentally, on the same day as the Colorado Springs PP shooting.

Or maybe not....

Blogger Jourdan December 02, 2015 5:10 PM  

It's an NGO contractor to San Bernadino County. I suppose a foreigner would think of that as an American govt target. It's not even a state government target, but I see what you mean anyway.

And jihadis use developmentally disabled people all the time, as human shields, as decoys, as smugglers, hell, they even use them as bombs. They are savages. Until we find the will to rise up and erase them from this planet they will plague us. They keep asking for holy war. Why the fuck don't we give them what they want?

Blogger Hammerli280 December 02, 2015 5:11 PM  

Based on the admittedly thin information, this looks like a deliberate jihadi attack on a Christmas party. That conference room had been rented out.

Followed up by who-knows-what...there are reports coming in of action in Pasadena that are related.

Anonymous Randall December 02, 2015 5:12 PM  

Maybe the Muslim was upset that the county was having a "Christ"mas party.

Blogger Lana J December 02, 2015 5:14 PM  

Someone took a screen shot of an early report that said it was 2-3 middle eastern or hispanic looking men.

Blogger Sam Lively December 02, 2015 5:15 PM  

@58

It was the County Health Dept.'s Christmas party. Syed a County Health Dept. employee.

We're all working off hearsay at the moment, but the picture it paints is a cell getting told to make a splash and the guy picking the best target he knew.

Blogger Jourdan December 02, 2015 5:15 PM  

@ 61 Lana J that description fits 85% of the population there. There are very, very few European-Americans left there. Very few.

Blogger Jourdan December 02, 2015 5:17 PM  

@62 Sam, where are you getting this info?

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 December 02, 2015 5:18 PM  

@57

And October was the 6th straight month of record-breaking gun sales, at nearly 20 million background checks.

Blogger Guitar Man December 02, 2015 5:19 PM  

If this is ISIS or some other ME terrorist group, they'll probably admit to it soon.

Blogger Lana J December 02, 2015 5:20 PM  

@Jourdan From what you described that makes sense. However, this is not being widely reported which makes no sense given the demographics of the area. I don't think it's an accident is what I'm saying. And now they've just disappeared like the DC snipers. This ain't good.

Blogger Sam Lively December 02, 2015 5:21 PM  

@64
@SLOStringer on twitter (SLO county but seems to be getting some kind of info from SB county sources), the feed that Vox linked + Google searches (Syed Farook's salary, health reports).

Anonymous old man in a villa December 02, 2015 5:22 PM  

http://www.vvng.com/vvc-alerts-public-to-upcoming-active-shooter-training/

"...there will be an “active shooter” training exercise on the VVC campus on Monday, November 30th. There will be significant police presence at this time according to Chief Leonard Knight who said this training will last several hours.

In order to avoid any confusion, the public is being notified ahead of time. Victor Valley College Police Department (VVCPD), San Bernardino County Sheriff’s Department (SBCSD), Victorville Police Station, San Bernardino County Fire Department (SBCFD), Victorville Fire Station, and American Medical Response (AMR) have planned for and are conducting this exercise to ensure coordinated, timely and effective response..."

It's a coincidence of course, as it always is when active shooter drills in the place where active shootings take place "go live" as they say.

How fortunate for everyone in San Bernardino that the local LE was ready for just such an eventuality.

Blogger Doktor Jeep December 02, 2015 5:23 PM  

I'm going to have to say "Dead bodies or it didn't happen". If we never see any bodies, like in Paris, and all funerals are "Closed Casket", and we see people laughing one minute off camera and then crying the next, then this is little more than a Sandy Hook style FEMA drill that became a false flag.
Right now all we know is what we are being told by the media that is little more than a cohort to an insurgent government that has the end of 2A as their priority.
Until the day comes when Nuremberg 2.0 happens and we twist the right arms for truth, all we can do is decide that "somebody somewhere did something" is no basis for giving up our rights and we will not comply with anything "they" come up with. Period.

Blogger Jourdan December 02, 2015 5:23 PM  

Thanks, Sam. Funny that a guy up in SLO would know the score, but if he's hooked into county government circles, makes sense.

Blogger Guitar Man December 02, 2015 5:24 PM  

Holy crap, the Sandy Hook deniers are actually real?

Blogger White Devil December 02, 2015 5:25 PM  

As history teaches us, white people and guns kill. If non-white people use guns, it's because whites made guns and made non-whites upset. If whites kill without guns, it's because they were sick of guns or had a fetish to indulge.

But the perfect storm of white people having guns can only be prevented by SocJus decolonial counter-american joy squads.

Joy is Mandatory. Justice is Inevitable. Educate yourself. Diversify your gene pool.

Don't be a "Crit-izen."

Anonymous WaterBoy December 02, 2015 5:25 PM  

@65

Logical sequence: More shootings = more calls for gun control = get 'em while you can = more gun sales = Law of Unintended Consequences

If the idiot politicians would keep their damn yaps shut (Hillary one of many already calling for more gun control before this event is even concluded), they might find that there would be fewer guns out there to have to control.

Anonymous ben December 02, 2015 5:26 PM  

Anyhow, yet another reminder. Always carry. Don't leave home unarmed.

Equivalent to "don't leave home in California" if you happen to reside in that miserable state.

VD: your rhetoric is generally good, but your anti gun-control rhetoric needs work and reads like you're a little late to the game. I suggest you peruse Say Uncle and Tam over at books, bikes, and boomsticks in order to up your game.

Blogger Keith Glass December 02, 2015 5:31 PM  

Data is emerging that the actual event was a the Conference Center there, where an event for San Bernadino County employees was supposedly going on. . . .

Blogger Phillip George December 02, 2015 5:32 PM  

#JeSuisSanBernadinoCounty

donate shoes to the vigil - together we can!

Blogger Positive Dennis December 02, 2015 5:34 PM  

Police may be looking for Fayook Syed. there is a Fayook Syed that worked in 2013 for San Bernardino County as a Environmental Health Specialist. Again he may be in the wrong place at the wrong time and not involved in the shooting. On a personal note I have been on this street and go to church not too far away.

Anonymous A Visitor December 02, 2015 5:36 PM  

@69 Victor Valley College is in Victorville. I once did an investigation on someone that attended there and then took a position of national security. Having lived in San Bernardino County for nearly a year two years ago, let me assure you it is huge (as any current resident can attest).

Anonymous FAILBOAT December 02, 2015 5:38 PM  

San Bernardino is a high crime area. Supposedly the shooting started in a conference room being used by an outside organization.

This looks more like a gang related attack than a mass shooting, but due to the masks that presumably hid the race of the perpetrators, and the 'mental health' facility it took place at...it looks like the media jumped to the wrong narrative, they went with 'white mass murderer cover it a lot' instead of 'gang shoots up house party in Florida, ignore it and pretend it didn't happen.'

Let's see if that is borne out, my guess is that if there's an Islam angle, it is probably more 'nation of islam' than 'daesh'. So in order of probability, I'd give greatest weight to black/Latin perpetrators, and motivation being related to general criminality.

Anonymous Bobbala December 02, 2015 5:40 PM  

What do you think the odds are that the jihad was using weapons that were already illegal for legal Americans to own in California?

Anonymous polyhedron December 02, 2015 5:46 PM  

“They’re all geared up!” someone else says. “Rifles and everything!” In the background, someone laughs – they still didn’t know. Then the reality set in.

She texted her husband again: “Well it’s real.”


This brings to mind a point raised in the last Brainstorm on the matter of mindset: people will not believe that an attack is actually happening, interpreting a gunshot, for example, as an engine backfiring. It's kind of amazing to see, though.

Anonymous ben December 02, 2015 5:48 PM  

What do you think the odds are that the jihad was using weapons that were already illegal for legal Americans to own in California?

Hard to say. CA gun laws are not exactly straightforward.

Anonymous Discard December 02, 2015 5:48 PM  

San Bernardino is full of the people that La Raza drove out of Compton.

Blogger tycho #0401 December 02, 2015 5:50 PM  

sounds like a live fire practice run working up to the real target

Anonymous BrerFox December 02, 2015 5:52 PM  

Regarding the Indy ilk question, I live near the airport. One if my coworkers is taking master's classes at Purdue and got a campus alert about some kind of threat. Not exactly in Indy, but close enough for most purposes.

Listening to Fox and CNN on my drive home, no mention of a potential suspect, Farook or otherwise.

Anonymous old man in a villa December 02, 2015 5:56 PM  

"Having lived in San Bernardino County for nearly a year two years ago, let me assure you it is huge..."

And yet it has one sheriff, no? One Sheriff's Department? One San Bernardino County Fire Department?

And there they are at both active shooter events, no?

Anonymous Amir Larijani December 02, 2015 5:57 PM  

Soft target

Anonymous A Visitor December 02, 2015 6:00 PM  

@88

There are multiple deputies. When I was living there, the county was bankrupt and yet was still hiring new deputies. Anyone who is currently living there, fell free to chime in. Also, note the distance from Victorville to San Bernardino.

Blogger Sam Lively December 02, 2015 6:01 PM  

Wasn't it the city that went bankrupt, not the county?

Blogger The Other Robot December 02, 2015 6:02 PM  

Abandoned vehicle found?

Plus a chase on the freeway.

Anonymous Bobbala December 02, 2015 6:03 PM  

Every county has only one sheriff

Blogger Stingray December 02, 2015 6:09 PM  

Conspiracy theory: Obama wants to make his last year about gun control. The US is helping ISIS. ISIS is helping back with these shootings so O can easier go after guns . . . for the children.

Anonymous The other robot December 02, 2015 6:11 PM  

Woah. Pursuit at 80+ MPH and the occupants of the vehicle are shooting at the police.

Blogger Sam Lively December 02, 2015 6:11 PM  

This is all going to make a terrible TV movie someday soon.

Blogger jm December 02, 2015 6:13 PM  

Scanner just mentioned a black SUV (newer model) with Utah plates and untinted front windows.

Anonymous Not Just A River in Egypt December 02, 2015 6:14 PM  

Holy crap, the Sandy Hook deniers are actually real?

We are as real as all you False Flag deniers are.

Anyone interested in the strongest case made for why Sandy Hook was a false flag FEMA drill to advance the gun control narrative, read the book that Amazon banned after it briskly sold 500 copies in less than a month and generated over 80 reviews with an average 4+ rating (most were 5 star reviews with the average brought down by a number of 1 star reviews by people who obviously didn't read it).

http://www.rense.com/general96/NobodyDiedAtSandyHook.pdf

Read it for yourself, and make up your own mind on whether or not these shooting events are manufactured to promote a narrative.

Accept nothing our Government and media ever says at face value, question everything.

Blogger Longstreet December 02, 2015 6:14 PM  

Not a Former Student, but son #2 graduated last May. Gig 'em from Texoma.

Blogger BunE22 December 02, 2015 6:15 PM  

Gunshots heard on police scanner at San Bernardino and Sheddon (sp?) Swat team needed...bearcat? Suspect vehicle stopped.

Blogger jm December 02, 2015 6:15 PM  

Police are calling for medical aid now.

Blogger BunE22 December 02, 2015 6:16 PM  

1 down outside the vehicle. 1 possibly on the run. Police calling for medical aid.

Blogger Sam Lively December 02, 2015 6:16 PM  

Utah plates? Now that doesn't make sense. Why drive all the way out to San Berdo of all places?

Rental?

Blogger Michelle *VFM #311* December 02, 2015 6:16 PM  

http://abc7.com/live/

Live feed of the capture ongoing and shoot out

Anonymous BigGaySteve December 02, 2015 6:18 PM  

Holy flaming cucks
http://www.weaselzippers.us/243173-airforce-base-with-nuclear-weapons-on-lockdown-after-reports-of-an-active-shooter-on-base/

Kirkland AFB new Mexico.

Blogger Azimus December 02, 2015 6:18 PM  

96. Blogger Sam Lively December 02, 2015 6:11 PM
This is all going to make a terrible TV movie someday soon.


It's true. Life imitates art.

Anonymous BGS December 02, 2015 6:24 PM  

How do you make an unscrubbable archive again so that important details don't get changed?


http://www.kusi.com/story/30651541/reports-of-mass-shooting-in-san-bernardino
12:21 p.m. - Riverside police dispatchers have broadcast a general advisory that the suspects involved in the shootings in San Bernardino may have fled in a black GMC Yukon, heading northbound on Waterman Avenue, roughly 40 minutes ago.
Initial reports also indicated there may have been multiple gunmen, possibly wearing body armor and armed with automatic weapons.
The broadcast indicated there were unconfirmed reports the suspects were male and of Middle Eastern origin, "armed with AK-47s and wearing body armor.''
The shooting took place at Inland Regional Center, a facility for people with developmental disabilities.

Blogger Azimus December 02, 2015 6:25 PM  

Radio feed is cool - but pretty indifferent radio discipline. "Guys! Hold up!" Who? Hold up where? There's more than 100 cops on this frequency...

Anonymous WaterBoy December 02, 2015 6:26 PM  

Stingray @94: "The US is helping ISIS. ISIS is helping back with these shootings so O can easier go after guns"

Odd way to show it, since none of the recent shootings in the US have been linked to ISIS (yet).

And it's not for want of suspects, either. According to a recent report:
- "82 individuals in the United States affiliating with ISIS have been interdicted by law enforcement since March 2014 (including 7 unnamed minors and 4 killed in the course of attacks)."
- "Most importantly, nearly one third of the domestic ISIS cases in the past 18 months involved people who planned to carry out attacks against Americans on U.S. soil."

It seems odd that the government would contract with ISIS to attack domestic targets in the US, then turn around and prevent them from doing same. Preventing said attacks would seem to be counter-productive from that perspective, wouldn't it?

Anonymous The other robot December 02, 2015 6:29 PM  

Suspect with a pipe bomb? Came over the police radio.

Blogger BunE22 December 02, 2015 6:29 PM  

Gonna need a swat team at another address, officer doesn't want to give address over the air.

Blogger VD December 02, 2015 6:30 PM  

How do you make an unscrubbable archive again so that important details don't get changed?

archive.today. Just paste the link there.

Blogger Stingray December 02, 2015 6:32 PM  

WaterBoy,

I was mostly joking. But it's not like the gun control would really affect them. They wouldn't give them up and the US wouldn't seize guns from them unless they are an ulterior motive to do so.

Blogger VD December 02, 2015 6:34 PM  

Gonna need a swat team at another address, officer doesn't want to give address over the air.

Of course, two others already did....

Blogger Thordaddy December 02, 2015 6:36 PM  

Radical Euthanasianists are inevitable.

Anonymous The other robot December 02, 2015 6:38 PM  

Suspect with orange shirt and yellow pants on the run?

Pipe bomb at 1731 San Bernadino!

Anonymous BGS December 02, 2015 6:39 PM  

Disregard the AFB
http://www.kob.com/article/stories/S3980242.shtml?cat=500#.Vl-A6v9dGUn
ALBUQUERQUE, NM -- Kirtland Air Force Base has been taken off lockdown after it was placed on a precautionary lockdown Wednesday afternoon due to unconfirmed reports of an active shooter on the west side of the base, according to a base spokesperson.

The lockdown was initiated around 2:30 p.m. and was lifted at 3:15 p.m. A spokesperson for the base said there were reports of gunfire on the west side of the base, but security forces could not substantiate the claim.

The spokesperson said there is no threat to the base at this time.

The supposed gunfire was reported near building 1010, which is circled in red on the map to the right

Blogger Jourdan December 02, 2015 6:39 PM  

Orange shirt and yellow pants?

Are they sure they're not chasing the Hot-Dog-on-a-Stick girl?

Blogger jm December 02, 2015 6:43 PM  

"Female Arabic".

Blogger BunE22 December 02, 2015 6:43 PM  

Cops mentioned female Arabic...anyone catch that?

Blogger VD December 02, 2015 6:43 PM  

Yep. They're at the home address now. Women are there.

Anonymous bw December 02, 2015 6:44 PM  

"Is that our Bearcat?" (Made me laugh. Are there a lot of them in California?)

There are all kinds of insane weaponry paid for by the people that are now police stating the people.

Anonymous bw December 02, 2015 6:46 PM  

how many Aggies post or lurk these parts

W, is that you?

Blogger Jourdan December 02, 2015 6:47 PM  

I'm worried these guys have the street set with explosives and stopped there for a reason.

Anonymous The other robot December 02, 2015 6:49 PM  

Orange shirt and yellow pants?

Later they said Camel pants, and it seems they have him/her down by a church.

Blogger VD December 02, 2015 6:54 PM  

He was Hispanic. I think someone reported him, but he's not involved.

Blogger Azimus December 02, 2015 6:55 PM  

124. Jourdan December 02, 2015 6:47 PM
I'm worried these guys have the street set with explosives and stopped there for a reason.


Not likely. If they had a fallback position rigged up with bombs it would've been at the site of the original attack or very close nearby.

Blogger Funkster411 December 02, 2015 6:55 PM  

Media is reporting the perps had AR15's, aren't they already banned in the US? Obviously they need to make the place a "gun free zone" now.

Anonymous fish December 02, 2015 6:56 PM  

Orange shirt and yellow pants?

Are they sure they're not chasing the Hot-Dog-on-a-Stick girl?


No...that's yellow and red....with a delightful hint of royal blue to highlight.

Anonymous KultCult December 02, 2015 7:01 PM  

They just said HMA - Hispanic Male Adult - on the scanner. Maybe it's Cartels!

Blogger BunE22 December 02, 2015 7:04 PM  

It pisses me off to know that if something like this went down where I live I couldn't even listen to the scanner to be informed about what was happening because our police radio is now encrypted.

It cost taxpayers 50 million for equipment that leaves the people that pay their salary out of the loop.

OpenID simplytimothy December 02, 2015 7:07 PM  

Body was just pulled out of the SUV.

The SUV is fine.

Blogger Jourdan December 02, 2015 7:07 PM  

@129 - Right! I'm usually too focused on the up-and-down thing to notice the exact colors.

Anonymous The other robot December 02, 2015 7:11 PM  

One of the helicopter shots showed an AK-like rifle in the street. They tried to claim that it was an HK or an AR, but the magazine curved too much to be one of those two rifles.

Perhaps someone has a copy of the video.

Anonymous buckeyecopperhead December 02, 2015 7:12 PM  

simplytimothy

"The SUV is fine."

Thanks for the almost spit up drink on my keyboard.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan December 02, 2015 7:12 PM  

At 7:10EDT FOX news is focused on a church where they say a man is holed up and authorities are trying to establish contact with said suspect.

Anonymous The other robot December 02, 2015 7:14 PM  

listen to the scanner to be informed about what was happening because our police radio is now encrypted.

I think the Software Defined Radio guys have made progress with decrypting that.

Anonymous WaterBoy December 02, 2015 7:14 PM  

Live televised manhunt = echos of Fahrenheit 451

Got the cameras, got the robots, got the dogs...just need to combine 'em all, now.

Blogger FP December 02, 2015 7:15 PM  

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-san-bernardino-shooting-live-updates-htmlstory.html?14491004312218#85212628

Now it looks like workplace violence.

" According to a federal law enforcement official, authorities believe that one man angrily left the event that county employees were holding Wednesday morning at the Inland Regional Center.

The man, they believe, returned with “one or two” others and opened fire."

Anonymous The other robot December 02, 2015 7:17 PM  

Hmmm, they are still going on about the one in orange shirt and camel pants.

Anonymous The other robot December 02, 2015 7:19 PM  

OK, they think the San Bernadino PD have the runner detained, but they are still trying to track the guy in the orange shirt using dogs.

Anonymous WaterBoy December 02, 2015 7:19 PM  

simplytimothy @ 132: "The SUV is fine."

No, no it's not. It has taken multiple hits from numerous firearms, it has broken windows and bullet-riddle quarter-panels. It has blood on the upholstery. All of this will taken many man-hours of intensive labor to fix: cleaners, mechanics, body repair specialists, and painters will all have to put forth their best efforts to restore the SUV to its original, pristine condition.

Better call MAACO. Only then will the SUV be fine.

OpenID basementhomebrewer December 02, 2015 7:19 PM  

@139 Do you have 2 friends waiting around geared up and ready to go at a moments notice just in case you get mad at work? That scenario seems doubtful.

Blogger Sam Lively December 02, 2015 7:19 PM  

@139

He had his buddies prepped with body armor and rifles in case he didn't bring home employee of the year?

Anonymous Red Comet December 02, 2015 7:21 PM  

"Random dude gets angry and comes back with two buddies for a commando assault" would only be believable to me if it got confirmed that the shooters spent their vacation at the MK-ULTRA Spa and Wellness Center.

Blogger Bluntobj Winz December 02, 2015 7:26 PM  

did the guy just say "two long beards just drove by and then fled?"

Anonymous BigGaySteve December 02, 2015 7:27 PM  

While seeing reports that the CA shooters are middle eastern, I noticed this. Maybe Australia should ban guns again.
http://pamelageller.com/2015/12/video-of-the-moment-a-muslim-shoots-gay-man-seven-times-in-sydney.html/

Do you have 2 friends waiting around geared up and ready to go at a moments notice just in case you get mad at work?

I had to look to see if you were addressing Nate. Maybe he found out the chocolate covered bacon had bacon in it.

Anonymous kfg December 02, 2015 7:31 PM  

"it has broken windows and bullet-riddle quarter-panels. It has blood on the upholstery."

Can I still drive the SUV?

Anonymous jla December 02, 2015 7:31 PM  

'did the guy just say "two long beards just drove by and then fled?'

That's what I heard. They drove by twice and the driver was wearing a green shirt.

Anonymous The other robot December 02, 2015 7:32 PM  

Seems like another shooting scene in San Bernadino ...

Anonymous PLC December 02, 2015 7:35 PM  

Indy folks:

I'm inexperienced with firearms: a little shooting in the scouts, but grew up near NYC and parents hate guns. Any advice on a good range or instructor in the greater Indy area?

Anonymous WaterBoy December 02, 2015 7:36 PM  

Stingray @112: "I was mostly joking."

Heh. It just wouldn't surprise me that somebody would mean it for real.

Heck, I won't even be surprised if somebody start's going all Posse Commitatus because that Hispanic dude on the live feed said "Army officers" when he was describing the mobs of police, SWAT, etc streaming past him. Like he could tell?

Blogger Skylark Thibedeau December 02, 2015 7:39 PM  

@139. Workplace Violence? You mean like at Ft. Hood?

Anonymous A Visitor December 02, 2015 7:39 PM  

@150 PLC, absolutely!

I learned myself (from my dad). However, I've been to Tim's Shooting Academy in Westfield a few times for target practice with my AK. They seem to know what they're doing.

STAY AWAY FROM DON'S GUNS! Crooked as hell.

I don't know if they do it but Atlanta Conservation Club has a range (don't know if they offer lessons). I'd start at Tim's and see what you can find.

Happy shooting!

Blogger Bluntobj Winz December 02, 2015 7:42 PM  

hmmm, going to need a new channel feed thanks to this open mic guy...

Anonymous The other robot December 02, 2015 7:47 PM  

Have ISIS claimed responsibility yet. I imagine they would just on principle.

Blogger ruastatist2 December 02, 2015 7:48 PM  

Interesting to watch the LEO response. School lock downs, hospital and civic center police cordons. Wonder who else might be watching?

Blogger Feather Blade December 02, 2015 7:59 PM  

@156 If it's being covered on CNN, then every third-world dictator.

Blogger TheRedSkull December 02, 2015 8:02 PM  

Love quadrangle.

She's not smart enough to tell them apart.

Maybe the Jihadis were just homesick.

All in all, looks like a win for the gene pool.

#PartOfTheProblem

Blogger Mussorgsky112 December 02, 2015 8:04 PM  

I'm not an Aggie nor a Longhorn, but nice to see someone else from the Texoma region. Cheers from Whitesboro, mate

Blogger Rusty Fife December 02, 2015 8:07 PM  

@47 Class of '02

OpenID simplytimothy December 02, 2015 8:10 PM  

Comments at the treehouse say Tayyeep Bin Ardogan is another one.

Blogger RCR_Chris December 02, 2015 8:13 PM  

Why a developmental disabilities center though?
It's one of the few places these days nobody carries.

It's also a place that has the potential to have the most "despair per body". Make people experience anguish and fear, and people do stupid things (like after the WTC got knocked down.)

Generate more fear, especially after the other recent shootings, and push the (predictable) calls for gun banning, and either nothing happens, or dumb panicky laws are passed that will make more "gun free" victim/target zones that will be easier to attack later.


Also, from that radio feed, I just heard them say they located an IED... and are talking about how far to move back (minimum of 50 yards from building.)

Blogger Rusty Fife December 02, 2015 8:13 PM  

Obviously, Ben Carson is stuck because they were Seventh Day Adventist White-Semites.

They were Christian fundy H8RS protesting the 'holiday' party instead of 'Christmas'. It's all right there.

Also, Government location. Clearly, these are all TEA Party anti-government separatist terrorists. They are probably also veterans of the Syrian conflict.



Blogger Rusty Fife December 02, 2015 8:16 PM  

OMG! totally trained by our own CIA! too!

Blogger jm December 02, 2015 8:17 PM  

@161 "Comments at the treehouse say Tayyeep Bin Ardogan is another one."

If true, this will signal the end of Obama's public interest in the matter.

Anonymous kfg December 02, 2015 8:18 PM  

" I just heard them say they located an IED..."

So yeah, obviously an unpremeditated crime of passion.

Blogger AdognamedOp December 02, 2015 8:19 PM  

Seems the typical response to these events by the statist powers is to lock down the surrounding area. Not suprised. Most of the false alarms where schools are locked down are just drills where the some LE stooge calls in a false report of man with a gun.

Anonymous PLC December 02, 2015 8:22 PM  

@153 Thanks. I'm south of Indy, so Atlanta is too far to go regularly but Westfield isn't too bad.

Blogger Azimus December 02, 2015 8:22 PM  

VD:
Not hard to see why police units historically fare poorly in combat.


Curiously, there are a plethora of examples of police demonstrating individual acts of courage and sacrifice. It is very hard to find examples of police teams acting courageously or sacrificially. You would think the opposite would be true - that police would take risks and make sacrifices if they were being watched that they wouldn't do if they were alone.

Anonymous WaterBoy December 02, 2015 8:27 PM  

ATC wants to know if they can reopen a restricted air space:

"Negative there's still a drone operating in that area."

Blogger JimR December 02, 2015 8:31 PM  

@170 "Negative there's still a drone operating in that area."
If that's all it took, WashDC airspace would be permanently shut down

Anonymous Laz December 02, 2015 8:32 PM  

"Got the cameras, got the robots, got the dogs...just need to combine 'em all, now."

"Smithers, release the dogs... wait, release the dogs with the bees in their mouths so when they bite you they sting you too."- Mr Burns

Anonymous The other robot December 02, 2015 8:36 PM  

Comments at the treehouse say Tayyeep Bin Ardogan is another one.

That looks suspiciously like the name of the President of Turkey.

Blogger jm December 02, 2015 8:37 PM  

@161 "Comments at the treehouse say Tayyeep Bin Ardogan is another one."

If true, this will signal the end of Obama's public interest in the matter.

Blogger SirHamster December 02, 2015 8:38 PM  

You would think the opposite would be true - that police would take risks and make sacrifices if they were being watched that they wouldn't do if they were alone.

Is this before or after you factor in police unions?

Blogger Skylark Thibedeau December 02, 2015 8:40 PM  

Why a developmental disabilities center though?

The Chechens attacked a Russian elementary school in Beslan a few years back.

Blogger Derrick Bonsell December 02, 2015 8:49 PM  

On the old "Europe vs America" issue, I tend to think that Europe is going to last through this storm better than the US, but Pleasureman at My Posting Career has pointed out that in the US we've stood far more firmly against the refugee crisis than Europeans: http://mpcdot.com/forums/topic/8363-asylum-seekers-exponential-enrichment/page__st__1320#entry234285

Anonymous WaterBoy December 02, 2015 8:49 PM  

Police press conference:
Two dead suspects, one man, one woman, dressed in combat-style gear. Assault-style weapons and handguns.

Blogger Rusty Fife December 02, 2015 8:49 PM  

@176 Skylark Thibedeau

Chechens aren't white-Semites. It's the TEA bagging Christians protesting holiday parties @ government expense.

Blogger BunE22 December 02, 2015 8:50 PM  

Press conference, strangely the police officer didn't know the ethnicity of the dead male and female suspects or what type of "assault" rifles they had. Yet the FBI guy said they aren't ruling out terrorism.

Anonymous IncoherentM December 02, 2015 9:00 PM  

OT: Nice to see some Texoma area folks here.

Blogger IM2L844 December 02, 2015 9:08 PM  

You'd think these guys would wise up and hit a LGBT synagog or a Unitarian church in the bay area. Two birds - one stone. Talk about your soft targets.

Anonymous Utah Siener December 02, 2015 9:09 PM  

I'm a Utah State Aggie like ILOH

Blogger Brad Andrews December 02, 2015 9:11 PM  

My guess was that someone was pissed at a social worker that took his kids and was at the party. I am not sure it is very likely, but CPS manages to screw up a lot and I wonder how many there also were in the other social worker end of things.

Blogger Remo - Vile Faceless Minion #99 December 02, 2015 9:15 PM  

Well since its muslims shooting up cities you can see why disarming white christians in the hinterlands is the solution right? I mean that's obviously going to make things better and fix these sorts of problems.

Anonymous NateM December 02, 2015 9:20 PM  

John Cleese has chimed in on twitter too.



John Cleese ‏@JohnCleese 1h1 hour ago
Although Republicans are determined that unwanted babies shall be born,their Gun Control policies should help to keep the population down

Dave Injustice ‏@TruthNSausages 2m2 minutes ago
@JohnCleese Perhaps we should ban marriage too. In order to prevent you getting fucked to death in your, what, 4th Divorce?

Blogger Remo - Vile Faceless Minion #99 December 02, 2015 9:21 PM  

So the big question here is who is funding this and why.... The public save the media isn't stupid enough to believe that gun control is going to stop this and many are violently opposed to it as is possible to be. I wonder if its something like this: create several false flag events regardless of how obviously fake and staged they are, then use them as an excuse to send out orders to all police "round up all the guns - go door to door with metal detectors". Watch Civil war 2 unfold. Get several high profile Waco style massacres, turn the remaining public solidly against the police, send in the military for more massacres, maybe pass out guns to violent black thugs with orders to kill whitey or such, and then what....? Profit?

Blogger Derek Kite December 02, 2015 9:27 PM  

No mention at all of identity or motive on news reports. Usually means blacks or muslims.

Anonymous WillBest December 02, 2015 9:33 PM  

My guess was that someone was pissed at a social worker that took his kids and was at the party. I am not sure it is very likely, but CPS manages to screw up a lot and I wonder how many there also were in the other social worker end of things.

If it were this, I would have a hard time caring unless they were "immigrants". At which point I would care only so much as to be upset that we are importing problems we shouldn't even be having.

Blogger LP999 December 02, 2015 9:36 PM  

For the Christian, recall the Lord is present in this fear inducing tragedy. Do not fear, be aware of your surroundings, be prepared and use caution, care as times churn more concerning.

From Vocativ, ISIS Adherents Praise San Bernardino Massacre, "America Burning":

“God is great and he the one to be praised for that,” another supporter posted in the forum in Arabic. “This is hell with god’s will.” But the hashtag was primarily used on Twitter where one ISIS extremist taunted the United States with a tweet that read “Let America know a new era #California #America_burning.”

Blogger Steve, the Dark Ninja of Mockery December 02, 2015 9:40 PM  

we are importing problems we shouldn't even be having.

America needs #immigrationcontrol.

@JohnCleese Perhaps we should ban marriage too. In order to prevent you getting fucked to death in your, what, 4th Divorce?

That retort is so brutal it went back in time to 1986 when John Cleese was still funny, and kicked him in the gonads.

Blogger Rusty Fife December 02, 2015 9:41 PM  

@187 Remo,

Errr, I hate to bring up the obvious; but the guys funding this op are the Saudis. How deep the PTB are into thinking the Saudi actions are 'useful'...isn't so obvious. Too much terrorism could dump us into 'another' recession similar to post-911.

The 'gun control' narrative is just not "letting a crisis go to waste" per Rahm Emanuael, I believe.

The Fabian engineered collapse of society is openly preached; like Islam. You can read their plans right here: https://mises.org/library/fabian-freeway-high-road-socialism-usa



Anonymous Dr Brick December 02, 2015 9:42 PM  

NBC News is sourced well enough to avoid lawsuits and named Syed Farook and his brother as shooters.

Blogger Hunsdon December 02, 2015 9:55 PM  

@150 PLC: I've heard good things about Indy Arms Company.

2550 E 55th St
Indianapolis, Indiana
(317) 231-5545

No affiliation!

Anonymous Anonymous December 02, 2015 9:55 PM  

The Last Refuge folks, who basically did all the work to defend George Zimmerman, are all over this.

https://twitter.com/TheLastRefuge2/

It seems the weapon was an AK-74, based on the spent cartridge. That is not sold in the US, is different from the AK-47, and points strongly to terrorism.

I hate hate hate the media. To a person, they are completely worthless as reporters, and function only as a propaganda machine.

Blogger Hunsdon December 02, 2015 9:58 PM  

@195. Bullshit, you can get your hands on a AK74 (neutered, of course, no happy switch for us zeki) any day of the week, and the 5.45x39 that feeds it.

Blogger allyn71 December 02, 2015 10:16 PM  

@195 Anon

That is bullshit, the AK-74 is sold in this nation from coast to coast

Anonymous A Visitor December 02, 2015 10:22 PM  

Just read on Drudge the name of Sayed Farouk...hmmm....

@195, @196, @197 Interestingly, I'm rereading Patriot Games right now. Heh.

@47, @163 (& @159 & @183) Whoop!

OpenID Jack Amok December 02, 2015 10:26 PM  

Clearly if this was an attack by jihadis named Sayeed Farook and what not, we obviously will need much tougher gun control laws to prevent bigoted-americans from retaliating against religion-of-peacers.

If only California had tougher gun control laws...

Anonymous JC NRA December 02, 2015 10:30 PM  

@150 PLC

Indy isn't all that far from Champaign-Urbana over in Occupied Territory (Illinois). You can't beat the folks from GSL Defense Training. John Boch runs a 2-day defensive pistol course that is top notch, and steal. Look for the link to the training arm from gunssavelife.com ... well worth the drive, time and money,

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