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Wednesday, December 30, 2015

Science SJWs always lie

Orac Knows is always looking for a chance to take a shot at me because I spank him every time he tries to attack  my vaccine skepticism or whatever. He's a typical scientist, educated, but not very smart, and totally unable to grasp the fact that his science degree doesn't make him a match for an opponent with a significant advantage in intelligence.

He tried to leap on the fact that, according to him, the study cited by the New York Times in the story I linked to yesterday was flawed, and thereby claim that I don't know what I am talking about.

There was just one little problem with that. I never read the study. I never pretended to read the study. I neither linked to nor cited the study.
From @oracknows: Quoth Vox Day: Antivaxers are more educated. Quoth the study Vox cites: Not exactly…

Vox Day @voxday 
You're dishonest, Orac. More educated does not mean more intelligent. Look at us. You have more education. I'm smarter.

Orac ‏@oracknows
Of course, it amuses me that someone who is so “smart” didn’t seem to understand what the study he touts actually says. :-)

Vox Day @voxday
You prove my point. I never read any study. I merely linked to the New York Times. You're not amused, you're dishonest.

Orac ‏@oracknows
In other words, to borrow a phrase from @WilliamShatner, I’m laughing at the superior intellect.

Vox Day @voxday 
My intellect is observably superior to yours. And you're not laughing. You're posturing.

Orac ‏@oracknows
Nope. I’m mocking you for being so lazy and anxious to believe the NYT version that you didn’t bother to check!

Vox Day @voxday
Why would I check it? I don't check most news sources I link. The only person leaping at anything is you. Why attack me, not NYT?

Vox Day ‏@voxday
And you also claimed I cited the study. I didn't. You even knew I didn't. You lied. See, YOU, I would check. Because you lie.

Vox Day ‏@voxday
Proof @oracknows lied:

1. "Quoth the study Vox cites"
2. "it’s obvious that he just read the news...but didn’t actually look up the paper"
Notice how as soon as he's busted on his two bait-and-switches - he tries to substitute "more intelligent" for "more educated" and "Vox is stupid because he got it wrong" for "I think the New York Times got it wrong", he tries to back up and say that he's just mocking me for excessive credulity in citing the New York Times.

You know, the leading American liberal news standard. Someone had better alert Wikipedia! The New York Times is no longer a reliable source!

This is like me claiming someone doesn't understand economics because they cited GDP or inflation figures reported in the Wall Street Journal. It's just ludicrously dishonest. But then, Orac isn't actually interested in correcting the science or he would have focused on the New York Times and not me. He's just another SJW with such short-term time preferences that he's willing to throw his own reputation as well as the reputation of a liberal newspaper and a science reporter under the bus just to take an ill-advised shot at me.

The funny thing is that Spacebunny can land a killshot 100x more effective than all the SJWs desperately flailing about, and she can do it with considerably less effort.
UberFacts @UberFacts
A study found that astronauts had more difficulty doing things that required spacial reasoning and motor skills after 6 months in space.

Space Bunny ‏@Spacebunnyday
@voxday would come back a vegetable.....

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55 Comments:

Blogger weka December 30, 2015 5:18 PM  

Orac has no logic. Agreed, but the New York Times is as reliable as modern credentialling.

Blogger Salt December 30, 2015 5:38 PM  

Got to hand that one to Spacebunny.

Anonymous Mook December 30, 2015 5:54 PM  

It amuses that what amounts to "quite the opposite" for himself is a 0.025% change over time.

Blogger christopher.gage December 30, 2015 6:16 PM  

"Quite the opposite?"

Wtf? Wth do growth rates have to do with *anything* that came before (raw %s)?

At best, no correlation is no correlation. At worst, the authors of the study add "in contrast to previous studies," indicating an assumption that education is an independent predictor could still be valid.


from Orac the Clown~
"""
Basically, the study did not show that higher educational attainment predicts the likelihood of PBE percentage. Quite the opposite, in fact. The authors, in describing their model predicting change in PBEs over time, report:

[Study]"Educational attainment did not independently predict 2013 PBEs. More educated populations had slower rates of change in PBE percentages from 2007 to 2013 (P ≤ .01). For example, in the school-level block group model, a 10% increase in the percentage of the population with a college degree was associated with a 0.025% decrease in the annual rate of growth from 2007 to 2013."

In other words, there was a negative correlation between the percentage of the population with a college degree and the rate of PBE growth from 2007 to 2013.
"""

Anonymous Rusty Fife December 30, 2015 6:21 PM  

Semi- on topic

Who would have guessed the Christmas day mosque fire in Houston was a false flag?

http://www.chron.com/houston/article/Federal-officials-arrest-man-in-connection-with-6727623.php

Blogger Noah B #120 December 30, 2015 6:25 PM  

A doctor who is primarily focused on public health would be more concerned with the 200,000+ annual deaths in the US alone from medical errors and hospital-borne infections than on the opinions of anti-vaxxers.

Blogger S1AL December 30, 2015 6:27 PM  

@5 - Not to mention the continuing excessive prescription of painkillers and antibiotics. And ADHD medication. And the dramatic rise in anti-depressants medication use.

Blogger Student in Blue December 30, 2015 6:33 PM  

The funny thing is that Spacebunny can land a killshot 100x more effective than all the SJWs desperately flailing about, and she can do it with considerably less effort.

If you can't beat 'em, join 'em.

And what else is marriage, but joining together two, as one?

Blogger SouthRon December 30, 2015 6:47 PM  

ATOB was testament to Vox's spatial reasoning. I'm looking forward to Jartstar's next map including the tunnel and the wormhole connecting both ends.

Even at that Vox is more spatial than Orac is logical or honest. Hell he can even admit his faults and poke fun at them.

Blogger tz December 30, 2015 7:08 PM  

Education or knowledge is like a pile of unrefined ore. It is still a pile of useless dirt, and probably toxic. It is the fire of the intellect which can smelt and refine and turn such ore into the useful, pure metal, gold, silver, iron, copper. The hotter the fire the better, but without such, the size of the pile of ore is irrelevant, it was first made irrelevant by Gutenberg, and completely eliminated by the internet. I can pull more "knowledge" in a few minutes than scholars of yore could in years of study. And I can refine the data into information and conclusions. Most can only swallow data and regurgitate it as a talking point.

Blogger Neanderserk December 30, 2015 7:25 PM  

Vaxx Day's jabs will continue until herd immunity against SJW virulence is achieved.

Blogger Phillip George December 30, 2015 7:27 PM  

the difference is NYT and others make forgivable mistakes because they fight the good fight against rayciss. So what if rich white educated bigots might have half a point as toxinophobics? They should be vaccinated simply because of their raycisS.

science, and the pig ignorant masses miss the point, simply means "knowledge". And doctor derives from "teacher".

So a "teacher of knowledge" such as

Prem Rawat really is every bit the modern scientist. His credentials in the vaccination or climate change debate are every bit the equal of leaders in public policy in all fields of scientific endeavour. Thus we mock snigger and jeer at the Beltway Journals of Legacy MediaOr something like that. I forgot the topic because they're all the same.

If experts need appeals to authority they better run with it to reductio ad absurdum.

Blogger Phillip George December 30, 2015 7:29 PM  

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Blogger Phillip George December 30, 2015 7:31 PM  

http://www.prem-rawat-bio.org/imgs/pinups/krishna/krishna08.html

modern man of science = teacher of knowledge

Anonymous Dave Gerrold's Cabana Boy December 30, 2015 7:36 PM  

Hey, *everybody *knows that subterranean wormhole is a 4th level spell easily available to Legion Clerics

Blogger Christopher Yost December 30, 2015 7:46 PM  

*blink*

The claim of education not signifying intelligence makes the most recent anti-vax topic even more ridiculous.

Blogger Unknown December 30, 2015 8:18 PM  

@15 Christopher Yost
The claim of education not signifying intelligence makes the most recent anti-vax topic even more ridiculous.

How so? Do you understand the concept of "category error"? Intelligence is not education, and education does not require any unusual level of intelligence. Lately, education no longer requires even normal intelligence.

I work every day with IT guys who hold bachelors and masters degrees. They are uniformly idiots. It is literally so bad that when I was a hiring manager, I simply passed over people with CS or EE degrees. As near as I can tell, EE education consists entirely in being able to calculate a complex function, when told what function to calculate. Then there are the thousands fools with degrees in Studies. Smartest guy I ever had working for me, on the other hand, was a retired Master Sergeant with a high school diploma.

Closer to home, my entire family (all 11 of us) is on the top end of the intelligence scale. 9 over 120 IQ, 3 of us over 150. The highest degree obtained is my brother's Associate's. My father was measured by the US army at 158 IQ, and never finished 8th grade.

This is an example of what Ivan Illych called "the confusion of process and product." Medical care is not health, schooling is not education is not learning is not intelligence, sex is not love, and as I have had occasion to point out to my offspring, washing is not cleanliness.

If you think there's any strong correlation, you have not yet learned to think, or you're not paying attention.

Anonymous Faceless December 30, 2015 8:20 PM  

@15 Christopher Yost

What you fail to consider is which side believes that credential means educated means intelligence means authority as a matter of existential necessity. To admit credentials are not the same as education, or that education is not the same as intelligence, might cause too many people to have to consider their own beliefs, rather than posting another Fucking Love Science Neil Tyson meme that correct beliefs imply intelligence, but an MA from a school named after a little-known slaveholder ensures it - so said the guy who got them to sign for the student loans.

That nice girl from the Atheist Avenger League at least could agree with VD that credentials demonstrated only time served without any further information provided.

Blogger the bandit December 30, 2015 8:24 PM  

@16 This is an example of what Ivan Illych called "the confusion of process and product." Medical care is not health, schooling is not education is not learning is not intelligence, sex is not love, and as I have had occasion to point out to my offspring, washing is not cleanliness.

Excellent.

Anonymous Faceless December 30, 2015 8:30 PM  

Or, shorter, once enough people come to understand the ideological litmus test that prioritizes "correct thinking" over "critical thinking", and enough people have heard the old adage, "they never gave you a doctorate for peer reviewing somebody else", you see why MD/PhD Oracknows spends so much time on his blog trying to shore up the faithful to convince them that peer review is some sort of secular holy order - because he desperately wants you to believe that the cartoon PhD research world is true so you respect his authority and you shut up with any disagreement.

In a world where fake papers are routinely made and sent to journals as a prank, and the journals publish them (Dec 2014; Vox.com, so no anti-science bias there from the 'splainers; NanoScience and some engineering journal were held out; but I think this is also why having a paper at a conference means nothing anymore), and in a world where - what was it we learned this year, 60% of seminal papers psychology could not be reproduced (July 2015 WaPo), people see that the emperor is naked, there is no academic priesthood, but those who do research to satisfy grant-givers desperately would like you to start each day by brainkilling yourself into correct thinking rather than, say, admitting that the ideological purge and monoculture has made whole subjects of academia dull, boring, predictable, and impotent.

Blogger Dire Badger December 30, 2015 8:43 PM  

Vox, I usually respect what you have to say, but I feel you are way off base with the vaccine hatred.

I will be the first to admit that 'giving kids their shots' is kinda fucking stupid at birth, especially considering the toxins that they (for some unknown reason) have been adding to 'head start' vaccines for the past 50 years, vaccination IF USED CORRECTLY is absolutely a broad lifesaver.
There are many diseases that responded well to vaccination, and you know fully well what they are.

Vaccination is absolutely not the be all and end all of medicine, but it is a valuable tool in the kit. Sanitation, quarantine, and Vaccination are the three legs that intelligent disease control stand upon, and blowing off one of the three legs just because too many idiots think it's a one-legged stool is a poor way to handle the potential for plague.


As long as our society lets faggots run wild spreading disease, doesn't properly quarantine immigrants, doesn't teach them not to shit on the toilet seat or screw virgins to cure HIV, as long as our country supports the rights of Typhoid maries to privacy, Vaccination is the only leg our stool has left.

Yes, we need to fix the stool, but cutting off the last leg isn't going to help. It's weird me being the voice of moderation.

Blogger Earl December 30, 2015 8:54 PM  

A space vegetable

Blogger Phillip George December 30, 2015 8:55 PM  

@vivo. I'd put money into invivo attenuation. Money spent to date in major teaching hospitals. Zero.

It's kinda funny that the anti intellectuals are right. The conspiracy theorists have the last laugh. Does every corporation end with satanic?

on the other pages it got pointed out that the Italian Government doesn't recognize Islam as a religion. I was gob smacked/ am still reeling. The value of dissident blogs is simply life saving.

Blogger 1337kestrel December 30, 2015 8:58 PM  

the voice of moderation

BOOOOOOOO! All vaccines are bad!

Seriously thought, if you read Vox's statements literally he's pro-vaccination like Japanese family doctor. He just likes to throw around anti-vaxx rhetoric because
1) People like @oracknows are annoying retards.
2) Too many people have blind faith in the industry-sponsored vaccine schedule which includes absurdities like Hep B vaccinations for newborns
3) When the occasional child has bad reactions to vaccines, the response is to ignore it and continue shooting him up, hoping they don't become autistic.

I hope I am not misstating VD's position. LOL, VD. But it seems clear enough.

Blogger 1337kestrel December 30, 2015 9:06 PM  

I should add that my research indicates Hep B vaccinations for healthy newborns are a good idea, and only a few cases of horrible side effects followed by death have been reported.

Blogger VD December 30, 2015 9:08 PM  

Vox, I usually respect what you have to say, but I feel you are way off base with the vaccine hatred.

I certainly don't respect your ability to read. Do you seriously not grasp the difference between "skepticism" and "hatred"?

Why do you believe that all vaccines are 100 percent beneficial for all human beings in all circumstances and all quantities when even 100 percent pure fresh water will kill you if you drink too much of it?

Blogger Giuseppe The Kurgan December 30, 2015 9:09 PM  

hahaha oh well, it is gratifying to know even the Dark Lord has to suffer slings and arrows from within his own castle...

Blogger VD December 30, 2015 9:10 PM  

The claim of education not signifying intelligence makes the most recent anti-vax topic even more ridiculous.

What's that? Could you speak up? All I heard was something about your IQ being under 120.

Blogger Derrick Bonsell December 30, 2015 9:24 PM  

Gotta love these nerds (and there is a great thread on MPC right now about them right now: http://mpcdot.com/forums/topic/8711-investigating-nerds/page__st__20) who are in such a hurry to land what they think is some awesome remark that will shut down all discussion and allow them to feel smug and superior (as though they needed the help), that they forget to actually make sense.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr December 30, 2015 9:37 PM  

@20 Dire Badger:

I don't think anyone denies the value of vaccination. The questions being raised deal with schedule and safety. The current schedule appears geared to the doctor's convenience, not the ability of a child to handle it. And some of the vaccines being pushed are miracles of advertising, not medicine.

I don't trust doctors 100%. They're not accountable with their own hides.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr December 30, 2015 9:40 PM  

@26 Guiseppe:

There's got to be a Vox the Vegetable joke somewhere in this.

Blogger Nate December 30, 2015 9:43 PM  

"Space Bunny ‏@Spacebunnyday
@voxday would come back a vegetable....."


Damn...

Vox between your friends and your wife it is a miracle you don't have a permanent limp.

Blogger Nate December 30, 2015 9:51 PM  

"I don't think anyone denies the value of vaccination. The questions being raised deal with schedule and safety. "

actually given the process used to create many vaccines... MMR in particular... there is a very real moral question to ask.

26 women were paid to abort their children so the fetal cells could be used to attempt to grow the source cells. Merck did things that would make the nazi's blush.

Blogger SirThermite (VFM #0025) December 30, 2015 10:14 PM  

@30

"If You Were a Spinach & Beet Smoothie, My Love"

Blogger TheRedSkull December 30, 2015 10:54 PM  

It's not just vaccines. I lost two weeks of my life to a vitamin k shot. I don't know what the hell they put in those things but avoid pricks.

Anonymous DissidentRight December 30, 2015 11:07 PM  

@15

Holding a degree just means you are probably above average--a little further above average for people with advanced degrees. I.e., multiple standard deviations below people who are genuinely intelligent. Best to shut up and listen to them.

Blogger Earl December 30, 2015 11:18 PM  

Perhaps Vox can make a cameo appearance on Veggie Tales now?

Or maybe he should write a letter that the vegetables read on air. "Dear Veggietales, why does God make people metaphorically punch themselves with my fist, over and over, then declare victory?"

Anonymous Takin' a Look December 30, 2015 11:22 PM  

@ Dire Badger

I will be the first to admit that 'giving kids their shots' is kinda fucking stupid at birth, especially considering the toxins that they (for some unknown reason) have been adding to 'head start' vaccines for the past 50 years

This is the money quote. In Germany a few years back, there were two vaccines being offered for something or another. One for the politicians and military and wealthy, another for the hoi polloi. It didn't work out as planned.

Vaccines used to be simple, few, taken at kindergarden/first grade on up and have very little in the way of adjuvants.

It is in the late 1970s/1980s that they were beginning to be covered under new regulations. And pushed harder.

Blogger rtp December 30, 2015 11:42 PM  

I deny the value of all vaccines. Every single last one of them. None of them work. None of them could work.

There are around 100 trillion bacteria in and on our bodies at any one time (and presumably an order of magnitude more viruses.

Trying to prevent disease by preventing a few dozen of these germs is like taking a bucket, dipping it into the ocean, pouring the contents onto land and declaring the days of drownings to be behind us.

To give an example of just how deep the lie is - we have all been brainwashed to believe that 10 million indigenous Americans died of smallpox. But this is all just historians' fantasies. Cortes - who had the distinct advantage of actually being there - devoted just half a page in all his writings to the disease that was supposedly wiping out every last inhabitant. But historians ignored this primary source because doctors in the Western world were making up ridiculous assertions in order to justify mandatory vaccination (eg 30 per cent mortality rate) and these historians just supplanted these ridiculous assertions onto the New World.

There was no population data, let alone cause of death data. The ten million figure was abject nonsense. It could have been ten thousand.

Blogger Dire Badger December 30, 2015 11:59 PM  

@rtp-
Polio sucked.

Blogger rtp December 31, 2015 12:21 AM  

Most polio was asyptomatic - 95 per cent in fact. What the vaccine was intended to do was reduce overall cases of paralysis - which they thought the polio virus was the predominant cause of.

But do you know what has happened to overall rates of paralysis?

They have risen.

Skyrocketed in fact.

But they just don't blame polio virus anymore because a) doctors differentially diagnose on the basis of vaccination status; and b) the criteria for diagnosing polio is vastly more strict today than before the vaccine.

So rates of polio have fallen but rates of GBS, transverse myelitis, coxsackie etc have risen to more than offset this fall in polio.

The vaccine did precisely nothing.

Well nothing good anyway.

The same story holds true for *all* so called vaccine success stories.

Blogger FP December 31, 2015 12:28 AM  

"Space Bunny ‏@Spacebunnyday
@voxday would come back a vegetable....."

Negative. He's a meat popsicle.

Blogger weka December 31, 2015 12:53 AM  

Well, vaccines work to a certain extent on herd immunity. If most of the herd is immune, then the vulnerable are protected. I've seen what N. menigitidis can do: I cared for too many people dying of cervical cancer (You have to do two house officer or intern years before specailizing where I live) which is in part due to HPV: and when the Hepatitis B vaccine came out I paid for it because dying of fulminant hepatitis was, in those days (1980: I'm ancient) an workplace hazard for junior medics.

But I live in a country where you are not alienated and isolated if you don't vaccinate. And where many docs delay things because the kid is sick -- where there is flexibility.

Onto education and intelligence: neither correlate with wisdom. Arguing that the intelligent or credentialed hate this so don't do it is a form of arguing from authority.

I have seen too many case control studies. They can prove almost anything: the scandal about vaccines being associated with autism was debunked (though I would not have struck the doctor off who was the first author: the UK GMC is very much run by SJW).

What we have to watch is mission creep. Polio vaccine meant we don't need iron lungs. Measles means we don't have kids crippled... but some of the new ones?

A certain degree of skepticism is needed. Because vaccines is a business: and getting things on the guideline is the holy grail of all big pharma.

Anonymous Takin' a Look December 31, 2015 1:02 AM  

@rtp

But do you know what has happened to overall rates of paralysis?

They have risen.

Skyrocketed in fact.

But they just don't blame polio virus anymore because a) doctors differentially diagnose on the basis of vaccination status; and b) the criteria for diagnosing polio is vastly more strict today than before the vaccine.

So rates of polio have fallen but rates of GBS, transverse myelitis, coxsackie etc have risen to more than offset this fall in polio


But,but,but, we have studies!!!!

There could not POSSIBLY be a nation-wide or even global re-categorization and compartmentalization of disease like this! It's totally impossible! There is no way, in the Current Year, that we could have an even more twisted version of the Tuskegee Experiment!!!

I can't even....

Anonymous Mr. Rational December 31, 2015 1:14 AM  

@35 I.e., multiple standard deviations below people who are genuinely intelligent.

I test in excess of 3 SD above the mean.  Is that "genuinely intelligent"?

I recognize the role of emotion in cognition.  I am not religious primarily because of the religious milieu in which I was raised.  Others may have an emotional need for it; I don't, at least not now.  AAMOF, it repels me.  It that "genuine"?

Best to shut up and listen to them.

Will you shut up and listen to ME, or are you right regardless?

@40 The vaccine did precisely nothing.

How many children wind up in iron lungs today?  I seem to have missed that.  There was a brief spurt of Gulain-Barre syndrome what, 35 years ago?  It's gone today.

@42 I would not have struck the doctor off who was the first author: the UK GMC is very much run by SJW

Are you not aware that Wakefield was paid by lawyers before his Lancet paper was published?  Coming from a group which is "skeptical" of climate scientists, this is jaw-droppingly ridiculous.

Blogger rtp December 31, 2015 1:26 AM  

There are more people in respirators today than there were in iron lungs at the supposed height of the polio epidemic (1200 according to the Smithsonian). We stopped using iron lungs because they were expensive and dangerous.

We use positive pressure ventilators instead.

And here is the data for paralysis both for the US and the developing world - extranet.who.int/polis/public/CaseCount.aspx and http://www.who.int/bulletin/archives/78(3)321.pdf (see data for total AFP in India and other developing countries in 1996 and again in 2014) as well as http://www.ssa.gov/policy/docs/ssb/v18n6/v18n6p20.pdf and http://www.census.gov/people/disability/publications/sipp2010.html (Table A-4) (for disability rates). And http://www.christopherreeve.org/site/c.mtKZKgMWKwG/b.5184189/k.5587/Paralysis_Facts__Figures.htm (Around one in 50 Americans have some paralysis and around 40 per cent of those cases are due to disease).

Anonymous Takin' a Look December 31, 2015 1:43 AM  

@ Mr. Rational

We have Cpap nowadays. Not quite as efficient as negative-flow iron lungs, but it will do the job. Heck, I see ads on late-night telavivision for them as plentiful as catheters and rascals.

Andrew Wakefield? So.....he developed an alternative to MMR, was approached by lawyers, and paid for his study.

Yep, seems bad.....just one problem. You are cucking for an old paradigm that has failed. Andrew Wakefield from mine and others'stand-point (based on your links), is Ted Cruz. Just another whore who happens to make the right noises....most of the time.

Try again.

Anonymous Wyrd December 31, 2015 3:15 AM  

I test in excess of 3 SD above the mean. Is that "genuinely intelligent"?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I62_Kf9615k

Anonymous Shut up rabbit December 31, 2015 4:06 AM  

In Germany a few years back, there were two vaccines being offered for something or another.

That was the H1H1 bird flu vaccines during one of the industry's more successful PR stunts early this century. The (safer) non-adjuvanted one was reserved for babies and pregnant women here.

Blogger Scuzzaman December 31, 2015 5:35 AM  

Ha ha ha .... Some of us just can't help ourselves. We know the bait is poison, we know it's going to hurt, but. we. can't. resist. the. lunge.

Fun for the whole family.

Blogger Neanderserk December 31, 2015 8:18 AM  

If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck - duck; it's a quack!

Anonymous Mr. Rational December 31, 2015 10:21 AM  

@45 Polio is down 99% in the last 30 years.  There are a great many causes of paralysis, with gunshot being a huge favorite in the "black community".  If you're claiming that there has been no reduction of paralysis from infection by diseases for which vaccines are available, I'd like to see you back that with data.

Frankly, I'm shocked to see anyone here implicitly defending bottom-feeding law firms.

Blogger Christopher Yost December 31, 2015 11:19 AM  

VD-

My IQ can be as low as you like, I'd still catch your glaring double-speak (post, whatever).

Odd that your friends/followers didn't catch it. ;)

Debating that education isn't a signifier of intelligence with a prior posting (with your followers supporting) that crows about anti-vaxxers being predominantly "white and better educated" places your argument at odds with the NYT story.

Hence your argument that education does not indicate intelligence is an argument against the anti-vaxxers that supported that story.

Don't know why you'd take that personally. They don't. ;)

Anonymous DavidKathome December 31, 2015 1:46 PM  

@44 Are you not aware that Wakefield was paid by lawyers before his Lancet paper was published? Coming from a group which is "skeptical" of climate scientists, this is jaw-droppingly ridiculous.

The only thing jaw-droppingly ridiculous is that someone with 3SD above the mean intelligence would post something so stupid. Dr Wakefield did not have a hidden financial conflict. That is because Dr Horton, the Lancet Editor, was well aware of Dr Wakefield's participation in MMR litigation for which he received compensation.

Blogger Unknown December 31, 2015 4:48 PM  

@Christopher Yost
Debating that education isn't a signifier of intelligence with a prior posting (with your followers supporting) that crows about anti-vaxxers being predominantly "white and better educated" places your argument at odds with the NYT story.

And where in Vox's post is there any argument that anti-vaxxers are more intelligent? Or even right in their anti-vaccination stance?

The assertion was that the stereotype of anti-vaxxers as being uneducated is incorrect. Which it is.

You're reading more into the post than was there presumably in order to produce a "gotcha". Or you're just stupid. There's that possibility too.

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