ALL BLOG POSTS AND COMMENTS COPYRIGHT (C) 2003-2016 VOX DAY. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. REPRODUCTION WITHOUT WRITTEN PERMISSION IS EXPRESSLY PROHIBITED.

Saturday, December 05, 2015

Star Wars justice convergence

The LucasFilm president explains her vision for Star Wars:
They are really, really making a huge effort across the company to put more focus around casting women and putting women in positions of responsibility, with directing and various other positions inside, different lines of business in the company. It’s not just about casting female protagonists. It’s gotta be across the board throughout the industry.

I think Hasbro, who’s making toys for a while, they were perhaps a little reluctant to move too quickly with something that’s been such a successful boys line. I think they’re recognizing that selling to girls is just as effective as selling to boys. More and more the lines are being blurred as to deciding ahead of time that some things are for boys and some things are for girls. I think that’s a big part of the conversation. It’s all of these areas that are contributing to change really happening.

Over the last several years that I’ve been in the business it seems to me that this has been a topic of conversation every few years. Then everybody thinks it’s a trend or that it’s a significant change. And then it doesn’t really move the needle. I think that’s — hopefully— what’s going to begin to happen now. It’s going to be real change. And not just perceived change.
Among those "real changes" are going to be declining sales, frantic PR spin to explain away the declining sales, and eventually some bitter diatribes about how the market is not worthy of their brilliant, progressive, and socially just products.

It's at times like these that I am very, very happy that I was able to convince myself that Star Wars ended with The Empire Strikes Back. (I put Return of the Jedi in the same category as The Star Wars Christmas Special, which I also saw and was rather confused by, what with the Wookies living in trees and all. In retrospect, that should have been our first sign that George Lucas just go lucky, he didn't actually know what he was doing.) I did give the Phantom Menace a go on opening night; I remember how we all felt almost as if we'd gone back in time, we were so excited that the future we'd imagined when we were kids was actually upon us!

And then, after about five minutes, we all realized that our imaginations were now rather preferable to George Lucas's. I walked out of there and never again gave any subsequent Star Wars-named product another thought.

Anyhow, as Jeffro observes, this is classic SJW entryism at work. They're essentially cargo cultists, they have no understanding of what made Star Wars valuable in the first place, and so they will further destroy what has already gone far, far past tragedy and is now well into self-parody.

Labels: ,

177 Comments:

Blogger Michael Maier December 05, 2015 3:42 PM  

All my friends are stoked for this piece of shite. A black dude and a broad are the most important things they had to show us in the trailer... that says it all.

My brother asked me to go with him and his son... I might... if he pays for my ticket. I am heavily leaning towards refusing to contribute a single penny to Disney for this abortion.

But Nate will tell us we're idiots now.

Anonymous Susan December 05, 2015 3:44 PM  

As far as I am concerned, the only legitimate Star Wars anything are the original three movies. Not the reconfigured DVD's that were updated to feed into George's current politics, the originals. It is a real shame he had to do that to his fans, by tinkering with a great franchise like he did.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 December 05, 2015 3:45 PM  

I think they’re recognizing that selling to girls is just as effective as selling to boys.

What's funny the SJW crowd to me is that they aren't completely insane. I remember a Christian saying once that heresy is what you call it when truth is stretched to the point of being unrecognizable (or something like that); essentially that it's not completely wrong, but clearly someone took a wrong turn somewhere and ended up somewhere they shouldn't have been.

It's not wrong to market things to girls, and its not even necessarily wrong to try to expand the demographic appeal of something. But what matters most is that they expand the appeal, not shift the appeal. The kinds of things they propose might appeal to girls, but they won't appeal to boys, and so the demographics will shift rather than expanding, because they are turning boys away at the same time they are turning towards girls.

Like that teacher that Breitbart reported on recently, who refused to allow the boys to play with the Legos because she wanted to encourage girls to do it. Why not just buy some more Legos, so that everyone can play with them, if encouraging girls is all you want? But no, that would be too rational. Instead, boys have to be discouraged from playing with Legos so that girls can have their turn. Because of course there's a finite number of Legos, don't you know?

The problem here of course is that the original works still won't appeal to girls (its a space adventure story, not a traditional category of female-friendly fiction), and so neither do the core concepts; so you won't end up with a comparable-sized fanbase.

So basically, what VD said: declining sales, frantic PR spin to explain away the declining sales, and eventually some bitter diatribes about how the market is not worthy of their brilliant, progressive, and socially just products.

Blogger doug whiddon December 05, 2015 3:48 PM  

Conversations like this one make me glad I have poor taste. Jedi remains my favorite film, I thought the prequels were okay and 90% of what I want in a Star Wars film is Lightsabre battles.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan December 05, 2015 3:50 PM  

Best scene in the prequel abortion was the last on the dusty planet

Anonymous Dave December 05, 2015 3:52 PM  

The LucasFilm president explains her vision for Star Wars:

This first sentence was really all that was needed; as soon as I got to the "her vision" part I already knew the rest of the story.


What's the story with "Books of the Month" on the left sidebar? Is that something you'll be announcing?

Blogger David-2 December 05, 2015 3:53 PM  

SJW: Hans did not shoot first.

#415

Blogger Brad Andrews December 05, 2015 3:57 PM  

I have been feeling rather Meh about the new movie for quite some time. I have overheard some talking about how great it will be, but it seems too SJW from the trailers to me already.

Is that the same problem with the Star Trek reboot? I did finally watch the first one, but I still have not seen the second and I am likely to let that whole direction drop.

Nate likes Star Wars now? I clearly missed something in respect to that.

Anonymous Red Comet December 05, 2015 3:58 PM  

I never understood why people got so hung up on Lucas' prequel trilogy. They were little kid movies just like the original trilogy. The only difference is the nostaliga crowd were no longer the target audience of 10 year olds when the prequels came out.

And I'm not even going to consider seeing Star Wars 7 until I get confirmation that it's not all about Han Simian getting released all over some poor white girl.

Anonymous Godfrey December 05, 2015 4:00 PM  

What do I despise most about SJWs? The fact that they make the world so horribly boring. They fill the screen with shallow uninteresting predictable caricatures of human beings. Going to the movies is now a tedious task, not an enjoyment. The only suspense is the question of when will this or that particular caricature of a human being show up?

Blogger D. Lane (#0067) December 05, 2015 4:00 PM  

Conversations like this one make me glad I have poor taste. Jedi remains my favorite film, I thought the prequels were okay and 90% of what I want in a Star Wars film is Lightsabre battles.

Special effects is the appeal of the post-trilogy films. Unfortunately for Disney et. al., flashy go boom boom has been done to death.

Give me a well-acted story that (a) conveys a value or (b) demonstrates something historical. If all they've got is a completed diversity checklist... I'll take a look at the cover art when it hits Netflix.

Anonymous NorthernHamlet December 05, 2015 4:02 PM  

Did you see JJ Abrams statement on women in SW?

I thought: how many mothers would want to take their daughters to Star Wars as a bonding moment and not some bizarre form of sabotage on her femininity?

Anonymous Scintan December 05, 2015 4:02 PM  

This was all obvious the moment the cast was announced. Abrams will now proceed to screw this up, just as he did with Star Trek and, if he somehow manages to make a good film, a follow up director will screw it all up for him.

Blogger Robert Coble December 05, 2015 4:02 PM  

Ditto on opening every military position to women, because "sexism."

Pussies in charge from top to bottom, so they might as well take it all the way down.

Not one of the Perfumed Princes of the Pentagon will resign in protest of the destruction of US military forces.

Oh well, it was a good ride while it lasted; 250 years and gone to hell.

Anonymous Lukas Brunnor December 05, 2015 4:07 PM  

I was a big fan of the original three Star Wars movies growing up (yes even Jedi, and BECAUSE it the darkest of the three) but as I grew up I saw Star Wars fandom go from being the cool kids to the kids who were the least cool. The nerds took over and the cool kids abandoned it and moved on to other things for the most part. Same thing happened to D&D.

Blogger Daniel December 05, 2015 4:07 PM  

"Meesa makie one or twoey leetle accidentes." - Star Star Stinks

Anonymous Martin Ambrose December 05, 2015 4:12 PM  

It's the House of Mouse. They know what they are doing. They spent 4 Billion to acquire the Star Wars property, and already have 5 movies in production. The sequel trilogy, the "stealing the Death Star plans" movie, and a young Han Solo movie.

Disney had the little girl market cornered with their princess movies. And they purchased Marvel to try to corner the little boy market. For all their SJW pretenses, they refuse to market Black Widow action figures despite the whining of the SJWs. They claim to be making a Black Panther movie, but they are testing the character first in the new Captain America movie. They are trying to see what they can get away with, but first and foremost, their Marvel movie property is about marketing to boys, especially white ones.

Star Wars is going to be their SJW property. Their third money making prong. But no mistake, if this first movie bombs because of a female lead and a Black stormtrooper, they'll retcon the chick to NOT be Luke's daughter, and they'll write out Boyega. Disney hasn't existed for this long by being stupid.

Blogger Positive Dennis December 05, 2015 4:19 PM  

5,4,3,2,6, ... 1

Anonymous Who Dat December 05, 2015 4:25 PM  

You don't realize how crazy Lucas was until you realize that in The Phantom Menace Lucas was setting up Jar Jar to be the secret super-duper bad guy who was working with Palpatine to orchestrate the downfall of the Jedi

Blogger pyrrhus December 05, 2015 4:26 PM  

@15 Yes, I noticed that the clueless nerds and losers were big on Star Wars, confirming my opinion that it was just bad space opera....

Anonymous Godfrey December 05, 2015 4:26 PM  

@17 "They claim to be making a Black Panther movie, but they are testing the character first in the new Captain America movie."


Thanks for the childhood memory. I never liked Black Panther. One of my favorite comic book characters was........ "Sweet Christmas"... Luke Cage. The original 1970's version of Luke Cage that is. I'm sure Marvel has probably turned him into a establishment houseboy now.

Anonymous WillBest December 05, 2015 4:29 PM  

I gave up on Star Wars being any good when Han survived being shot at point blank range by a trained bounty hunter. I went to Phantom Menace in the theater because of peer pressure, and I was by far and away the least disappointed by it out of the group I saw it with.

There are cheaper ways to get eye candy than hiring unqualified women to work in your organization. Its like hiring your nephew without the moral rationale. At least the nephew is your DNA so you are helping that out by helping him out.

Blogger doug whiddon December 05, 2015 4:32 PM  

@11 "Special effects is the appeal of the post-trilogy films. Unfortunately for Disney et. al., flashy go boom boom has been done to death."

Lucas has always been WAY too in love with cutting edge tech. He never considered how quickly cutting edge CGI becomes dated and laughable (take The Last Starfighter as an example) I'm hopeful that Abrams is putting the practical effects over CGI.

Anonymous A. Nonymous December 05, 2015 4:39 PM  

Among those "real changes" are going to be declining sales, frantic PR spin to explain away the declining sales, and eventually some bitter diatribes about how the market is not worthy of their brilliant, progressive, and socially just products.

This is incredibly stupid. Hasbro owes its success as a company largely to marketing to boys. When they say that female characters don't sell well, they know what they're talking about, because they've repeatedly experimented with them over the last 50 years.

Anonymous A. Nonymous December 05, 2015 4:45 PM  

Thanks for the childhood memory. I never liked Black Panther. One of my favorite comic book characters was........ "Sweet Christmas"... Luke Cage. The original 1970's version of Luke Cage that is. I'm sure Marvel has probably turned him into a establishment houseboy now.

When last I checked, he was married to a white woman and dressed like a gangsta rapper. He's just as much of a thick-headed, surly clod as ever, however.

Anonymous WillBest December 05, 2015 4:48 PM  

Disney had the little girl market cornered with their princess movies. And they purchased Marvel to try to corner the little boy market. For all their SJW pretenses, they refuse to market Black Widow action figures despite the whining of the SJWs. They claim to be making a Black Panther movie, but they are testing the character first in the new Captain America movie. They are trying to see what they can get away with, but first and foremost, their Marvel movie property is about marketing to boys, especially white ones.

They are making Captain Marvel, and it doesn't look like my hopes of that movie being a complete troll where its Marvell the whole movie and Danvers getting the powers at the end will come true.

Black Widow was a pretty big role in Capt2. She could just as easily had a title credit.

Black Panther always seemed to me as a black Bruce Wayne/Batman, but with no personality or character flaws, because by virtue of being black he wasn't allowed to be anything but a magic negro.

I'm sure Marvel has probably turned him into a establishment houseboy now.

He is a relatively important character in the Jessica Jones's Netflix show. And he is getting his own Netflix mini series early next year along with The Defenders series. Netflix's Jessica Jones incidentally is the pinnacle of feminist grrl power achievement. It should be banned for all men who aren't red pill aware.

Blogger AmyJ December 05, 2015 4:52 PM  

@Lukas

I'd argue that Empire Strikes Back is the darkest of the trilogy, given how it end, as well as the elements of torture, betrayal, and loss. Return of the Jedi had Ewoks....

Anonymous Buckeyecopperhead December 05, 2015 4:58 PM  

I will go see Episode VII, but if it turns out to be "Chess for Girls" then Episodes VIII and IX will have to make their ticket money from some other sucker.

Blogger Hammerli280 December 05, 2015 4:59 PM  

@11:

Concur 100%. Hollywood does NOT understand that there is more to SF than special effects. But then, Hollywood is generally as dumb as a SJW.

Blogger Retrenched December 05, 2015 5:09 PM  

Star Wars has been SJW-fied from the beginning anyway. Didnt Lucas model Luke and Han Solo after his idea of the Viet Cong?

Blogger jaericho (#107) December 05, 2015 5:10 PM  

@26 Netflix's Jessica Jones incidentally is the pinnacle of feminist grrl power achievement. It should be banned for all men who aren't red pill aware.

I'm glad I took the red pill. I made it to episode three in Jessica Jones and I just couldn't hack it anymore. It was terrible. It's too bad Netflix went that direction, as I really liked Netflix's Daredevil.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer December 05, 2015 5:14 PM  

Went Christmas shopping the other day and encountered something called "Legos Friends." It is Legos' attempt to market to girls. Here is part of the the description of the toy from Amazon.

Enjoy an amazing stay at Heartlake City's Grand Hotel! Heartlake Grand Hotel over 3 modular stories has an elevator, lobby, 2 bedrooms, rooftop pool, taxi, 5 LEGO Friends mini-dolls and much more. Have the vacation of a lifetime at the Grand Hotel in Heartlake City! As the cab pulls up in front of the hotel, help Andrea, Stephanie and Olivia hand their luggage to Nate the bellboy who is waiting for them with a trolley. Head through the revolving door and enter the glamorous hotel lobby under the amazing chandelier to start exploring. Collect the keys from Andrea's aunt, Susan, at the check-in counter and pet the hotel cat. Take the elevator up to the second floor to find the rooms. Which will you choose, the double or the single? Check out the view from the balcony and freshen up in the shower before heading to the rooftop pool. Take a dip or relax in the sun lounger with a freshly made drink from the smoothie bar. Later on enjoy cake and coffee at the hotel cafe or get an ice cream served on the terrace by the fountain outside.

Here is the description for a LEGO Classic Medium Creative Brick Box

Designed with builders of all ages in mind, this collection of LEGO bricks in 35 different colors will encourage open-ended building play, and inspire any imagination. Windows, eyes, and lots and lots of wheels add to the fun and offer endless possibilities for creative construction and vehicle play. A great supplement set to any existing LEGO collection, this set comes in a convenient plastic storage box and includes ideas to get the building started.

Not one word about actually building anything in the LEGOS product meant for girls.

Blogger James Dixon December 05, 2015 5:26 PM  

> Thanks for the childhood memory. I never liked Black Panther.

The "What The?" character the Black and Blue Panther was better, I'll admit. But if the shamanistic aspects of the character are fully embraced, T'Challa is halfway good.

>...because by virtue of being black he wasn't allowed to be anything but a magic negro.

Well, since that's exactly what he IS...

Blogger Jeremy Stroud December 05, 2015 5:35 PM  

Dude, seriously? Han shot first!

Blogger Jeremy Stroud December 05, 2015 5:36 PM  

Dude, seriously? Han shot first!

Anonymous Ain December 05, 2015 5:40 PM  

@31 "It's too bad Netflix went that direction,"

Netflix has been SJW from the word Go. They even have a vast homosexual section on the main page that can't be turned off.

Blogger Krul December 05, 2015 5:42 PM  

I'll forgive anything if the opening crawl starts like this:

"It has been thirty years since the destruction of the second Death Star, and twenty-nine years since the great Ewok/Gungan war tragically left both species extinct..."

Anonymous That Would Be Telling December 05, 2015 5:43 PM  

Didnt Lucas model Luke and Han Solo after his idea of the Viet Cong?

That would be the Rebel Alliance, which went right past me since I knew how brutal the Viet Cong were. Han and Luke are a split of the character Toshiro Mifune played in The Hidden Fortress (the princess and the two robots came directly from it), and I see now it's being reported by the actor's daughter that Lucas approached him, first the role of Obi-Wan Kenobi, and after turning that down, Darth Vader.

I view Return of the Jedi more favorably than our host, it had some good parts, but I only remember them, not any sort of plot or long term tension. The Ewoks turned me off from the whole franchise, and it now occurs to me that it was a bad sign when the working title Revenge of the Jedi was changed. I gather I didn't miss anything since then. For example, Ford and Fischer weren't overawed by Lucas and were able to rework their dialogue so their characters' romance wasn't inane. He got a lot of criticism for the dialogue in the first movie from, pretty much everyone.

If you want to see the original versions of the first three movies, before Lukas started hacking and slashing them ("Han shot first!", changing that was really stupid since it changed his character in a way that didn't make sense), look for Harmy's Despecialized versions. He and his helpers have done a really good job of reconstructing them frame by frame.

Blogger Remo - Vile Faceless Minion #99 December 05, 2015 5:44 PM  

To be fair the first half of Return of the Jedi was okay but removing the stupid ewoks and giving Han "I hope she's okay!! " his balls back would be the first part of the fix.

Anonymous TroperA December 05, 2015 5:45 PM  

The most powerful drug in the world is emotion. Emotion and FEELZ. People will live in squalor, danger and filth, and will suffer their little girls to be raped as long as their environment is providing them with the right kind of Feelz. Star Wars is a franchise that is based on Feelz. To many people (nerds, mostly,) Star Wars IS childhood. To some people, it's even a religion. The emotions surrounding this franchise are strong and visceral. It's no wonder Disney shelled out 4 bil to acquire this property. And it's no wonder the SJWs view Star Wars as the richest, fattest jewel in the crown. Imagine the kind of power you could wield if you could control everyone's Feelz.

The SJWs may be able to squeeze 1 or 2 movies out of the franchise before the honeymoon fizzles out and people realize it's just a boring sermon with a cardboard cutout of the Millenium Falcon taped over it. Disney might get wise and fix things in time to save the new trilogy, but I think it'll just peter out like the Abrams Star Trek movie franchise. We might get lucky and one of the SW tie in movies, games or TV series will be written by a non-SJW, or have enough non-SJW elements in it to make it worth watching. That's the best we can hope for, I think.

Anonymous Lukas Brunnor December 05, 2015 5:45 PM  

@AmyJ

I honestly forgot about the Ewoks, it's been that long. I agree that the ending is darker in Empire, but I was specifically thinking of the last battle between Luke and Vader and later the pyre burning of Vader's body. Those stood out to me so much as a kid I think it eclipsed the stupidity of having the Ewoks in there.

I'll probably never watch another SW movie again, new or old. The blue haired twinks, weirdos, and SJWs of the left have conquered and destroyed that territory and I don't care to think on it any longer.

They are actively trying to do the same to Lord of the Rings, but I doubt that will be successful to the same extent as the campaign to destroy SW because of the fact that it is an old and written work and that Tolkien created that universe with more well defined limits.

Blogger tweell December 05, 2015 5:49 PM  

Lucas thought he didn't need to listen to Joseph Campbell any more, and Campbell was long dead when the (gag) prequels came out. If the novelization of the upcoming movie is anything near what the actual movie is like, I'm not going to bother with it.

Blogger Krul December 05, 2015 5:52 PM  

@Return of the Jedi,

Come on, man. Jabba, along with his palace and entourage, the Rancor, Carrie Fischer in a gold bikini, the fight above the sarlacc, the space battle, the speeder fight, the Emperor, the three-way confrontation between the Emperor, Darth Vader, and Luke, and Vader's redemption were all great.

Yeah there was bad stuff, chiefly the Ewoks, but it's still good on balance, and it does what it needs to do to wrap up the story established by the first two films.

Anonymous TroperA December 05, 2015 5:53 PM  

They are actively trying to do the same to Lord of the Rings, but I doubt that will be successful to the same extent as the campaign to destroy SW because of the fact that it is an old and written work and that Tolkien created that universe with more well defined limits.

The Elves in LOTR are specifically described as thin. There's no leeway for turning them into fat, neon-haired bulbnecks. The best the SJWs could manage was an interspecies romance between Grrrl Power Elf and Prettified Dwarf in the Hobbit movies.

Anonymous nathan December 05, 2015 5:56 PM  

I recognize the name as one of Spielberg's flunkies. Perhaps the next Star Wars special edition will have all the blasters replaced with CG walkie-talkies...

Blogger Krul December 05, 2015 5:58 PM  

@41 "They are actively trying to do the same to Lord of the Rings, but I doubt that will be successful to the same extent as the campaign to destroy SW because of the fact that it is an old and written work and that Tolkien created that universe with more well defined limits."

Well, one thing they could do is create obscenely bloated films that ignore the limits of the source material in favor of crude, lowbrow humor and PC bullshit.*cough*

Blogger Elocutioner #0226 December 05, 2015 6:00 PM  

@26 WillBest

"Black Panther always seemed to me as a black Bruce Wayne/Batman, but with no personality or character flaws, because by virtue of being black he wasn't allowed to be anything but a magic negro."

Dude, Wakanda is LITERALLY made of Magic Dirt. Next time you read any Black Panther just substitute "Magic Dirt" for vibranium...


@40 TroperA

"Imagine the kind of power you could wield if you could control everyone's Feelz."

This FeelzStar is online and fully operational...

(But the rebel alliance strikes back Monday via Amazon - pre-order your copy now!)

Blogger Cecil Henry December 05, 2015 6:01 PM  

Equality is all about envy, not justice, that is why anything superior must be destroyed or brought down to the level of those who are inferior by some SJW enforced definition.

How are GoldieBlow sales doing??

I actually have no problem with GoldieBlox, just their agenda!!!!

Blogger Joe A. December 05, 2015 6:01 PM  

I like Return of the Jedi. To each his own.

Blogger Elocutioner #0226 December 05, 2015 6:04 PM  

@43 Krul
The fight over the sarlacc pit was epic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynlaBp3zIro

Anonymous Brian December 05, 2015 6:08 PM  

There's too many damn comic book movies, which tells me only one thing: very few males 40 and younger ever grew up. What was that Bible verse about doing away with childish things? Comic books were great as a ten year old, and perhaps neat as an occasional stroll down memory lane, but a grown man wearing a Star Wars or a Spiderman shirt and going apeshit over a movie tells you society is stuck in reverse. Go build something or lift something heavy, for God's sake.

Anonymous Orville December 05, 2015 6:10 PM  

I'll go to the next Star Wars, but if Luke has a glitter beard then I'm walking.

Is that the same problem with the Star Trek reboot? The first one was great in resetting the Trek universe with lots of potential new stories. Trek 2 screwed the pooch with it's Kahn remake. I'm hoping Simon Pegg does a better job with #3.

Blogger White Devil December 05, 2015 6:11 PM  

No surprise Vox didn't like the new trilogy. The skip from pulp adventure to politics was one from the wealth of imagination to a paucity of it. Lucas and company grew up reading comics, not biography and history.

What's going to be telling about the new star wars is story structure, not the casting. If it turns out to be another Hunger games or Tron Legacy, the cargo cult has had its way. Otherwise, it might just be the new Star Trek movies: big budget redos that miss the point.

Ben Shapiro's summary of progressive storytelling is pretty good: Make believe worlds where liberals are right after all, full of likable characters doing what you never would, the better to make you want to nod your head week after week.

Blogger Ian Miguel Martin December 05, 2015 6:11 PM  

I saw the original Star Wars as a child and thought it was magical. I saw The Empire Strikes Back as an early adolescent and thought it was a totally awesome kick-ass movie. As a teenager I tried to watch Return of the Jedi on cable and found myself flipping channels before it was over. Princess Leia’s costume remains my last fleeting impression.

Blogger BunE22 December 05, 2015 6:12 PM  

The Legos thing, particularly with the teacher, is a crock. When my son was born he wanted and got Legos. His sisters played with them too.

Then Legos came out with girl themed (pink, turquoise, etc.) sets and my daughters wanted and got those. So Legos were never solely boys toys even though they geared some sets to girls later on.

My daughters would build houses, my son would make animals, guns, and cannons. No one taught them that, they just did it. The sexes are different and it's stupid to fight it. If some sets are geared toward boys, some toward girls, good.

As for movies, I wait until they're out on DVD or on demand. I gave up on theaters long before they became targets for people with a grudge and a gun. I save money, don't have to put up with loud assholes, don't come in contact with germs or bugs, and I can filter out crap based on reviews and box office sales.

Anonymous DT December 05, 2015 6:20 PM  

@3 The kinds of things they propose might appeal to girls, but they won't appeal to boys, and so the demographics will shift rather than expanding, because they are turning boys away at the same time they are turning towards girls.

The things they propose might appeal to the boys they are creating with single moms, feminist schools, Ritalin, and "dress like a girl" summer camps.

@8 Is that the same problem with the Star Trek reboot? I did finally watch the first one, but I still have not seen the second and I am likely to let that whole direction drop.

I don't remember being annoyed by SJW nonsense in the new ST films. The first one took a steaming dump all over the old canon with a time travel / Spock plot twist that simply wasn't necessary. (Just reboot and retell the story, don't try to literally tie it in with the old.)

I remember the 2nd one being fairly entertaining.

@14 Not one of the Perfumed Princes of the Pentagon will resign in protest of the destruction of US military forces.

Better to stick around and put women in the harshest combat situations at the first opportunity. Hardcore feminists may cling to their pathetic little ideology, but most women will scream for the old days the moment they see their daughters being raped and killed on the 6pm news.

(Not that I believe any of the generals left would do something like this. Far more likely to put the guys in danger to protect the princesses and make it all look like a SJW success story.)

Jedi: It's actually good without any of the Ewok nonsense.

Force Awakens: I want this movie to be good. I really do. But I have a sinking feeling that it's going to be crap.

Anonymous WillBest December 05, 2015 6:21 PM  

@31 I had to finish. As I don't pick up romance novels I so rare come across such things in pure form. It is amazing how far that rabbit hole goes.

@48 GoldieBlox you mean pink/purple tinker tots? Isn't that the NFL's solution too. Slap pink on it and hope women watch? Works for Hasbro and Matel. And hell my 3 year old daughter only sits down on the couch on Sunday during October so I suppose there is something to that. Doesn't work on her mother though.

@47 I don't plan to read anything Black Panther as I have not in 20 years but every time the guy showed up he was "mysterious" with "better" ways and never wrong.

Blogger doug whiddon December 05, 2015 6:24 PM  

This comment has been removed by the author.

Blogger John Wright December 05, 2015 6:25 PM  

"I never understood why people got so hung up on Lucas' prequel trilogy."

I can explain it to you in excruciating detail scene by scene if you like, but the short version is that STAR WARS was a fun Buck Rogers style homage to fun SF serial shorts from the 1940s, in the same way RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK was an homage to cliffhangers. They were revolutionary in terms of special effects and old-school in terms of plot, character, and story telling.

The prequels were the opposite: modern if not postmodern in storytelling and run of the mill in sfx.

Blogger Krul December 05, 2015 6:25 PM  

That page shows part of a comic that's pretty cool if, like me, you're a fan of Bruce Timm's work.

Blogger doug whiddon December 05, 2015 6:25 PM  

@36

about Netflix. Check your settings. The gay section can be turned off. A friend of mine turned it on once to mess with me.

Blogger Nicholas Lewis December 05, 2015 6:26 PM  

I thought the last paragraph of the quote was damning. They try this shit every few years and it goes nowhere. Never once do they think that maybe, just maybe, the idea itself is flawed. No... not that. Its only that they didn't try hard enough, or us stupid plebs just didn't get it.

Anonymous A. Nonymous December 05, 2015 6:26 PM  

If it turns out to be another Hunger games or Tron Legacy, the cargo cult has had its way.

Wait, what?

Blogger The Deuce December 05, 2015 6:29 PM  

I wonder if you could make money by shorting stock in companies like LucasFilm when it becomes clear they have been fully captured by SJWs.

Blogger Jester December 05, 2015 6:31 PM  

Force Awakens: I want this movie to be good. I really do. But I have a sinking feeling that it's going to be crap.

J.J. "Whitest Fucking Room in History" Abrams as director and the dullest-looking, most prognathous black actor in Britain as "the new Luke Skywalker" suggest as much.

Blogger Cataline Sergius December 05, 2015 6:31 PM  

This comment has been removed by the author.

Blogger doug whiddon December 05, 2015 6:34 PM  

@59 that's the first coherent straight answer Ive ever heard to that question. Mostly I just get people who waited years for them to come out and were disappointed that they weren't still children.

Blogger S1AL December 05, 2015 6:35 PM  

[B]ut a grown man wearing a Star Wars or a Spiderman shirt and going apeshit over a movie tells you society is stuck in reverse. Go build something or lift something heavy, for God's sake.

You act like these things are mutually exclusive.

Blogger Jimmy Glover December 05, 2015 6:35 PM  

Sports are also going to find this out. Despite the female marketing, women will not support sports. Otherwise, the LPGA, WNBA, soccer, and any female sports franchise is struggling.

Men drove the NFL to the heights it enjoys. Female SJW's will destroy it. See the caterwauling on Ray Rice.

Blogger Cecil Henry December 05, 2015 6:43 PM  

@32

Yes very telling. The boys will build and DO.

The girls will be served and 'entertained'.

This stuff is just hardwired in.

Nobody told me what to do with toys beyond the very basics--- do what you want!!!
And we did--- sometimes we found trouble,,,

Anonymous Rhys December 05, 2015 6:45 PM  

I put Return of the Jedi in the same category as The Star Wars Christmas Special

Why?

Anonymous DT December 05, 2015 6:47 PM  

@51 There's too many damn comic book movies, which tells me only one thing: very few males 40 and younger ever grew up.

You have to have something worth growing up for. In the past that was typically a wife and family. Or commitment to a larger organization and purpose, i.e. the military.

Does anyone expect boys to "grow up" by joining the military to wear heels in a parade and carry a female soldier's equipment while in combat?

Or to "man up" by marrying an aging woman who is saddle sore from riding "the" carousel?

Yeah, there are too many comic book movies and too many 20 / 30/ 40 something boys. Feminists and liberals are reaping what they've sown.

On the bright side, many cats will have warm, comfy homes in the future.

Blogger White Devil December 05, 2015 6:53 PM  

Re: doug whiddon
Children discover. What's there to discover in the prequel trilogy?

A. Nonymous
What?

Blogger OneWingedShark December 05, 2015 6:54 PM  

@8 "Is that the same problem with the Star Trek reboot?"

I don't think so -- the biggest problem with the reboot is that it tries to acknowledge/capitalize on the previous Star Trek, while at the same time discarding a lot of exactly what it's capitalizing on. An excellent example is the second one which is a Wrath of Khan remake where they try to capitalize on the Spock/Kirk relationship but they simply don't have that long-time relationship from TOS that Wrath of Khan pulled from... precisely because the previous movie had been Kirk's first meeting with Spock, rather than having gone through [at least] five years together.

Anonymous karsten December 05, 2015 7:01 PM  

"Equality is all about envy, not justice, that is why anything superior must be destroyed or brought down to the level of those who are inferior by some SJW enforced definition."

So true, and so well said.

The prequels are utter crap, with just two exceptions: (1) Darth Maul is a truly compelling creation. Figures that Lucas utterly wasted him. (2) It is enjoyable to watch the Emperor chew up the scenery with his bravura performance. Otherwise, they're completely wretched.

And I agree that ROTJ is no better. I was only 13 when it premiered, and I remember sitting in the theatre, even at that age, and thinking, "This is horrible." There too, the Emperor's performance is pretty much the only thing of even passing interest.

Amazingly, though, this JewJew Abrams movie is going to be so blatantly propagandistically Culturally Marxist that it will make even the prequels look good by comparison. You're going from incompetent filmmaking (prequels) to actively offensive filmmaking (JJ).

It really will be: "BlackLivesMatter (the negro) and Feminism (the chick) defeat Christianity (Sith)." That's the whole plot right there.

Blogger S1AL December 05, 2015 7:05 PM  

Abrams has never been guilty of that in his previous work, so I don't know why he'd start now. Granted, he's a well-behaved prog when it comes to "inclusion," but he's also one of the few directors and writers who isn't guilty of having women beating up men for kicks.

Blogger Krul December 05, 2015 7:11 PM  

Also, I should point out that Vox's public persona basically IS the Emperor from ROTJ.

Blogger OneWingedShark December 05, 2015 7:12 PM  

@24 "This is incredibly stupid. Hasbro owes its success as a company largely to marketing to boys. When they say that female characters don't sell well, they know what they're talking about, because they've repeatedly experimented with them over the last 50 years."

I'd think My Little Pony is a good counterexample to "female characters don't sell well"... but then, I suppose you could argue that they're ponies and not humans.

@26 "They are making Captain Marvel, and it doesn't look like my hopes of that movie being a complete troll where its Marvell the whole movie and Danvers getting the powers at the end will come true."

I'm actually looking forward to the Captain Marvel movie; while it might be nice to get a good origin story (what you're calling a troll) it might be nicer to skip the origin story (perhaps give the origin as the opening-credits) and do a solid story first.

@29 "Hollywood does NOT understand that there is more to SF than special effects."

I wholeheartedly agree... I really, really wanted to like the Green Lantern movie (and it could have been great [GL has a LOT of history/lore they could pull from])... but instead they went with special effects and big-name actors over good story-telling.


Anonymous A. Nonymous December 05, 2015 7:17 PM  

What?

What relation is there between Tron Legacy and The Hunger Games?

Blogger cavalier973 December 05, 2015 7:23 PM  

Han didn't "shoot first"; he was the only one to shoot at all in that confrontation. Greedo was dead before he could pull the trigger.

Blogger Cail Corishev December 05, 2015 7:24 PM  

I never understood why people got so hung up on Lucas' prequel trilogy.

Aside from the straw-man of being "hung up" on it, I can tell you why we didn't like them: horrible acting, bad casting, dull-as-dirt characters, terrible dialogue, bad ideas, nonsensical plot lines, interminable action sequences that scream of green screen, and a lazy reliance on CGI that keeps any scene from having any depth or meaning.

Other than that, they were okay. Natalie Portman's bare midriff was a high point. They make great Rifftrax, when the guys can stop laughing in disbelief long enough to riff. So I got a lot of enjoyment out of them after all.

Remember the scene in the original, after they've escaped the Death Star, and they have to shoot down four pursuers from those gun pod things on the Falcon? I'm pretty sure that ended up in the arcade game, although I don't know if it was put in the movie for that purpose. Anyway, that scene lasted maybe 3 minutes. Drag a scene like that out to 20+ minutes of the best graphics of the day, and you've got the essence of the prequels.

Anonymous A. Nonymous December 05, 2015 7:26 PM  

Abrams has never been guilty of that in his previous work, so I don't know why he'd start now. Granted, he's a well-behaved prog when it comes to "inclusion," but he's also one of the few directors and writers who isn't guilty of having women beating up men for kicks.

His Super 8 embraces the science-good-military-bad/black-good-white-bad dichotomies, and the scientist is black, of course. Plus, you know, 6 billion dead Vulcans and all that...He probably figures that with his hands on the helm of Star Wars now that he can get away with murder.

Blogger S1AL December 05, 2015 7:29 PM  

For contrast, though, Lost is a bunch of white guys and Fringe is all about science gone wrong. I also didn't see Super 8, so I can't comment on it.

Blogger S1AL December 05, 2015 7:30 PM  

And the only main black character in Lost is a semi-reformed murdering drug dealer, so make of that what you will.

Anonymous A. Nonymous December 05, 2015 7:30 PM  

I'd think My Little Pony is a good counterexample to "female characters don't sell well"...

Not really. First, they're not really action figures, which have largely been Hasbro's bread and butter for the last half-century. Second, the "Brony" fandom is a freakish anomaly. Parents (the majority of consumers) certainly aren't buying these things for their boys.

Anonymous A. Nonymous December 05, 2015 7:33 PM  

And the only main black character in Lost is a semi-reformed murdering drug dealer, so make of that what you will.

Call it his A New Hope and The Force Awakens his Sequel Trilogy.

Anonymous A. Nonymous December 05, 2015 7:34 PM  

First, they're not really action figures, which have largely been Hasbro's bread and butter for the last half-century.

And action figures, or boys' toys in general (like Lego) are what the SJWs are after, after all.

Blogger Elocutioner #0226 December 05, 2015 7:39 PM  

@82 "6 billion dead Vulcans and all that"

Damn, I forgot about the Vulcocaust and what Spock represents. Realistically though he would have to remind everyone about it every five minutes or so.

Blogger cavalier973 December 05, 2015 7:41 PM  

I am glad that the Star Wars prequels got made the way they did, because they spawned the excellent "Mr. Plinkett" reviews from Red Letter Media. If I were teaching a class in filmmaking, the prequels coupled with the Plinkett reviews would be part of the curriculum.

I just purchased the original trilogy so that my kids could see the movies. Star Wars was fun, Empire was great, and Jedi was fun--but less so than SW. I noticed for the first time how clunky the dialogue was in Jedi.

I also was highly annoyed by the changes in the special editions; it's like hearing a song you haven't heard in years that you once really liked, but halfway through realizing that it has been turned into the background tune for a hip-hop song.

Blogger Elocutioner #0226 December 05, 2015 7:45 PM  

Barbie seems to do exceptionally well and is targeted almost exclusively to girls/women. A Han Solo Barbie who shot Ken and moved into the Malibu Dream Home between Kessel runs would be a huge seller. He might even outsell Barbie for the year. And there's even a big hairy Wookie wingman for her diversity-lovin' friends.

"Oh I love you Han!" "I know."

Blogger White Devil December 05, 2015 7:51 PM  

OneWingedShark
The Pony phenomena was about writers able to reference both Jordan Peterson and Bugs Bunny and art that appealed to emotional late bloomers, who usually consumed anime. Yes, boys will watch the girl shows, but they probably aren't going to buy the toys (unless they're the "bronies.")

Most television is designed to sooth and assure women, who will then be in the right mood to be persuaded by ads.

A. Nonymous
Ah. I wasn't saying they were the same as each other.

OpenID luciussomesuch December 05, 2015 7:51 PM  

"Abrams has never been guilty of that in his previous work, so I don't know why he'd start now. Granted, he's a well-behaved prog when it comes to "inclusion," but he's also one of the few directors and writers who isn't guilty of having women beating up men for kicks."

--Five seasons of "Alias" forget you do.

Anonymous BGS December 05, 2015 7:58 PM  

who refused to allow the boys to play with the Legos...Why not just buy some more Legos, so that everyone can play with them,

That might be the only time in that teachers life that males pay attention to her

(its a space adventure story, not a traditional category of female-friendly fiction),

The heroes wield swords, blacks went from pointy sticks to guns. Its a good thing we have black & white film of blacks that didn't know of the wheel.

The LucasFilm president explains her vision for Star Wars:

Lena the hut marries Mandingo the jedi after discovering crystals in a 3yo cave. They ride off on their sparkle ponies.

Netflix has been SJW from the word Go. They even have a vast homosexual section on the main page that can't be turned off.

I didn't realize it had a STR8 section.

@14 Not one of the Perfumed Princes of the Pentagon will resign in protest of the destruction of US military forces

Make women register for the draft, and the lesbians will be on their own.

Sports are also going to find this out. Despite the female marketing, women

Good instead of watching roided up groids of the NFL, maybe people will do something productive.

There's too many damn comic book movies, which tells me only one thing: very few males 40 and younger ever grew up

Just think before comics white boys used to get chemistry sets, history books and learn things. Superman was based on a rabbi's golem

I'd think My Little Pony is a good counterexample to "female characters don't sell well"...

MLP is like crack for autistics. Its everything they want but cant seem to get.

Anonymous A. Nonymous December 05, 2015 7:59 PM  

Barbie seems to do exceptionally well and is targeted almost exclusively to girls/women. A Han Solo Barbie who shot Ken and moved into the Malibu Dream Home between Kessel runs would be a huge seller.

G.I. Joe shot Ken first. ;^)

Blogger OneWingedShark December 05, 2015 8:01 PM  

@85 "Not really. First, they're not really action figures, which have largely been Hasbro's bread and butter for the last half-century."

I never said they were either action figures or Hasbro's bread and butter -- merely that they're female characters that have sold well.

"Second, the "Brony" fandom is a freakish anomaly."

Eh. I can deal w/ most of them; but the really interesting thing is that most bronies are pretty anti-SJW... and there seems to be a pretty wide streak of anti-brony w/ the SJW crowd. (To the point that Sargon noted this animosity.)

"Parents (the majority of consumers) certainly aren't buying these things for their boys."

True; and I never said that these were being bought by/for boys; merely that they were selling well.

Anonymous A. Nonymous December 05, 2015 8:01 PM  

Ah. I wasn't saying they were the same as each other.

Why cite them together, though?

Anonymous A. Nonymous December 05, 2015 8:03 PM  

I never said they were either action figures or Hasbro's bread and butter -- merely that they're female characters that have sold well.

Well, you missed the point, then.

Blogger White Devil December 05, 2015 8:10 PM  

OneWingedShark
The MLP thing is centered around healthy emotional development. Its setting is also a mythological, rather than a political universe. I wasn't a bit surprised when heard they made an episode skewering "equality" politics.

I think we agree boys aren't going to buy the girls toys, but they will absolute buy into good female characters and stories.

Anonymous Anonymous December 05, 2015 8:10 PM  

@85

"the "Brony" fandom is a freakish anomaly"

The only anomalous thing about Bronies is that the show was made in America instead of being the same old moe crap Japan exports. In every other respect it's pretty typical

Anonymous That Would Be Telling December 05, 2015 8:10 PM  

Han didn't "shoot first"; he was the only one to shoot at all in that confrontation. Greedo was dead before he could pull the trigger.

"Han shot first!" is in reference to how Lucas changed that scene (and with appalling clumsiness in the first attempt), so that Greedo shot first but missed and Han, all moral ambiguity going "poof", then shot him in immediate self-defense. Changed Han's character rather a lot, much less the sort Leia eventually (?) fell for.

That's one of the many reasons to watch the Harmy Despecialized version; grant you, I myself want to watch the first run movie versions because those are the first and only ones I saw until getting Harmy's, but I've not heard of Lucas really improving anything in his many successive special versions, and screwing up more than a little, which I'm told from the prequels he has ample talent for.

As commented by others, to a certain extent Lucas got lucky, and he definitely didn't really understand what he'd originally created. Or perhaps he was changed for the worse in the period after SW became such a sleeper smash hit, including what was reported to be a nasty divorce about when RotJ was released with his wife of 14 years.

Blogger Krul December 05, 2015 8:10 PM  

@95

I saw that Sargon episode a while back and looked into it. Come to find out, the Bronies have been P.O.'d at SJW's for a while now, ever since a fan favorite character, Derpy Doo the cross-eyed mare, was censored for being offensive to the mentally handicapped.

Blogger White Devil December 05, 2015 8:14 PM  

A. Nonymous
Why cite them together, though?
Because they were different examples of propagandist story wrangling.

Anonymous DavidKathome December 05, 2015 8:22 PM  

@21

You can get a look at the current Luke Cage in the Netflix/Marvel series called Jessica Jones. He is supposed to get his own 13 episode arc later. The 70's Luke Cage was called Power Man as in Black Power. His character is toned down from that now but as far as I can tell he is still a good character.

Blogger ray December 05, 2015 8:34 PM  

Agree, Star Wars riff wore fast and the series does not hold up well against great movies of that time. Or before.

The one where we learn that Darth killed a bunch of kids, then burned on Volcano-world and became Vader . . . seemed iffy. Too pat and LCD. Um hm George we don't advocate killing children, and....? Reviewing the latter films a few times, they felt manipulative in an unhealthy and unbiblical way. Now Obi-wanna is president and how's that working out?

The President of Lucasfer Films is another feminist scorpion? Fat grapes in rich valleys yield red vineyards.

Blogger cavalier973 December 05, 2015 8:34 PM  

I don't like the special editions, or the prequels, but for a valiant defense if them, see "Why the ending of Star Wars is kind of Dumb" by Cracked. There are three videos, and they're pretty funny.

Anonymous A. Nonymous December 05, 2015 8:35 PM  

The only anomalous thing about Bronies is that the show was made in America instead of being the same old moe crap Japan exports. In every other respect it's pretty typical

To their particular subset of neckbeards, yes.

Because they were different examples of propagandist story wrangling.

Yeah, that's what's confusing. The Hunger Games, sure, but where does Tron Legacy enter into your calculations?

Anonymous cheddarman December 05, 2015 8:50 PM  

I like the ewoks for the fact that you can use them as a beginning point in explaining 4th generation warfare to someone. Ewoks fight for their tribe and beat a tech superior opponent by having a better strategy and tactics on the battlefield and on a moral level who will want to see a bunch of teddy bears beaten by storm troopers

Blogger Arborist (#0232) December 05, 2015 8:56 PM  

I haven't been in a movie theater in at least ten years. I saw Star Wars when it was first released - I was eight. I though it was very good and I got the story. I saw The Empire Strikes Back in the theater too and I don't remember it as well. Other than that I haven't paid any attention to the rest of this garbage for 35 years and I don't feel like I am missing anything. I still think the gist of the story is great but otherwise I couldn't care less.

Blogger White Devil December 05, 2015 8:57 PM  

A. Nonymous
Yeah, that's what's confusing. The Hunger Games, sure, but where does Tron Legacy enter into your calculations?
I let it stand in for the gravitational constant.

Blogger Elocutioner #0226 December 05, 2015 8:58 PM  

On the one hand you won't have Lucas further screwing with your childhood, on the other the Millennium Falcon will likely develop a serious case of lens flare syndrome.

@100 That Would be Telling
"I've not heard of Lucas really improving anything in his many successive special versions, and screwing up more than a little ... Lucas got lucky, and he definitely didn't really understand what he'd originally created."

Jar Jar Fucking Binks.

After contributing a significant piece of American culture he pisses off every fan of the last 30 years by putting that goddamn retarded CGI muppet front and center for "comic relief." Every damn scene is tedious and horrible. Then - SPOILER! - the meesa so stupid bastard destroys the Republic. Anakin COULD have somewhat redeemed himself from murdering that class of grade schoolers if he'd taken JJFB with him. But no. He deserved what Obi Wan dished out PRECISELY because he didn't cauterize JJFB in half.

Then the "Han shot first" thing was an interview where Lucas explained his delusion that the fans wouldn't like Han who shot first, that they really wished he was a beta cuck who only shot in self-defense as a last resort (is that some projection there on you chin, Georgie?) so he modified the scene.

THEN came word that for the re-re-re-re-release he had considered replacing the muppet Yoda in the original series with a CGI version. I imagine the animators threatened to wage jihad if that order came down and thus the crisis was averted.

If you want an triple shot or hypocrisy read the following link -
http://www.slashfilm.com/george-lucas-speaks-altering-films-1988/

But I'm sure you can get an actual hardcore fan to elicit far more detailed opinions.

So, yeah, watch the original three as originally presented and you're good.

One of my moderate friends simply refuses to believe that I have no interest in seeing the new one. Whatever. If you really need a fix Kevin J Anderson did a trilogy and Timothy Zahn did a better one back in the 90's. I haven't read any of the others though.

Sidenote - How damn hard is it to reach out to your biggest fanboys of a 30yo series to soundboard ideas?

Not hard in the least.

That's why I think the meeting went something like this -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTRt1p5l22A

Blogger Cataline Sergius December 05, 2015 9:15 PM  

I never understood why people got so hung up on Lucas' prequel trilogy.

If you watched the first three films the big reveal of Darth Vader being Luke's father is a blow away. Huge amazing world spinning discovery.

But if you watch the prequels first, then the climax of Empire is...nothing.

Lucas was trying to pretend he was freaking Tolkien. When as Vox said, the only thing he really accomplished was that he got lucky.

Empire was a better movie because frankly he didn't have that much to do with it. Lucas was too burnt out from the first one to really engage.

As Cail said they make good Rifftrax material. Although the best of Star Wars rifftrax is the Holiday Special.

Anonymous A. Nonymous December 05, 2015 9:25 PM  

I let it stand in for the gravitational constant.

Joking aside, what's your beef with the film? I was rather irritated by the implied Buddhism, but apart from that, it seemed like a rather decent story.

Anonymous VFM 261 December 05, 2015 9:52 PM  

I'm certain I remember the original book reading something along the lines of all the other bar patrons shaking their heads at Greedo's newbie stupidity of talking BEFORE shooting Han.

Anonymous cheddarman December 05, 2015 9:53 PM  

Star wars is useful for explaining 4th generation war. The ewoks were motivated by tribal rather than political consideration the Empire already lost at the moal level by attacking teddy bears

Blogger Cail Corishev December 05, 2015 9:57 PM  

I tried to watch the Abrams reboot of Trek, but my copy was defective; it had extreme lens flare all over things so bad it was hard to look at.

Blogger Tom K. December 05, 2015 10:03 PM  

Will anyone ever see this post? I doubt it. But here's a chance to share my wisdom about pop sci-fi movie legends.

I never saw Star Wars in the theater. I saw. "The Empire Strikes Back" in a Japanese theater in Hakodate on Hokkaido. I LOVED it. I then saw Star Wars on a pirated VHS tape, ninth or tenth generation, and wondered what the fuss was about.

Jedi was way too cartoonish!

Vomited at 4, 5, and 6.

And I'm shocked that ANYONE is interested in seeing this pending pile of excrement after that giant pile of taun-taun feces called. . . What was it called? Where Anankin turns into Darth Vader? I can't even remember.

Lucas is just like Roddenberry. Roddenberry had ONE good idea and was (finally) able to SEE IT parlayed it into a legend. But only AFTER he had nothing to do with it!

Roddenberry was responsible for the dreck that was Star Trek the Motion Picture. which nearly put a stake through the heart of Star Trek's resurrection. And the first two seasons of The Next Generation, when he was actively producing the show, are almost completely unwatchable even now.

And don't get me started on this cum-splatter called a reboot of the franchise! It should have been thrown in the toilet along with Abram's used condom but I guess he fingerpaints with bodily fluids!

But that's modern cinema. Nothing succeeds like excess. Forget everything that made a story great. Now that it's officially "cool" all the people who don't and never did give a damn about it will pay to watch just two hours of nothing like it.

It reminds me of a Twilight Zone or Tales from the Dark Side story about a scientist who could raise the dead to do his bidding. But there was nothing that the dead wanted more than to just STAY DEAD.

Blogger Kyle Smith December 05, 2015 10:13 PM  

I don't think it makes any difference if a black guy is a lead - they played important roles in the other movies. No biggie. And I don't care if a female is in the lead - in the original movie they were in positions of power all the time.

What is disgusting is the obvious SJW of it all. Not to tell a good story - to celebrating crappy diversity.

Blogger SciVo December 05, 2015 10:17 PM  

Brian @51: There's too many damn comic book movies, which tells me only one thing: very few males 40 and younger ever grew up.

Well, that would require women wanting kids in their twenties. Apparently a lot of Gen X did it backwards, expecting to have kids once they were mature -- when actually kids cause maturation -- so there was a lot of arrested development.

Blogger cavalier973 December 05, 2015 10:23 PM  

As an aside, in the novelization of "Star Wars", the other patrons in the cantina were briefly alarmed at the noise of a blaster, but then saw that it was just another case of someone making the mistake of not making Han Solo keep his hands in plain view. Indicating that shooting someone before they could shoot him was a normal practice for Han.

Blogger Cail Corishev December 05, 2015 10:25 PM  

Sidenote - How damn hard is it to reach out to your biggest fanboys of a 30yo series to soundboard ideas?

If Lucas gave a damn about the over-10-year-old audience's opinion, Jar Jar wouldn't have been back after the first one. Bringing him back and giving him a role beyond kiddie comic relief was a big middle finger to the audience, saying, "Screw you, I can do whatever I want."

I've never made a movie, but I've heard they do these things called dailies, where they watch the film from each day to make sure they got what they needed. They don't shoot the whole thing and then start editing, stuck with whatever they have.

So you know there were people in the room for dailies who thought, "Holy crap, this Jar Jar thing is annoying and unfunny. He makes me want to kill myself." "This Anakin kid can't act his way out of a paper bag." "This older Anakin can't act either!" "He has less chemistry with her than he does with the creepy old senator." "Are they still podracing/light-saber battling/discussing politics? I'm gonna fall asleep here."

There's no way those thoughts didn't arise, unless everyone there had been lobotomized. With a "lesser" director and more studio control, someone would have stepped in and forced a change on some of those things, almost certainly for the better. But it was the great George Lucas, so they all smiled and nodded along and collected their paychecks.

See also Crystal Skull. According to Mr. Plinkett, Lucas's ideas for that movie were even worse than the sad thing they ended up with.

Anonymous smedley butler December 05, 2015 10:33 PM  

"It's at times like these that I am very, very happy that I was able to convince myself that Star Wars ended with The Empire Strikes Back. (I put Return of the Jedi in the same category as The Star Wars Christmas Special"

Yeah, that's right on. Also note that Han Solo was a complete alpha dog in Empire. "I love you . . . I know." In Return, Han turned into a complete beta dweeb at the end of the film.

Blogger Cail Corishev December 05, 2015 10:39 PM  

But if you watch the prequels first, then the climax of Empire is...nothing.

I guess violating the originals is the one thing that didn't bother me about the prequels. Partly because I wasn't that much of a fanboy in the first place, but also because they just didn't seem like they took place in the same universe anyway. Young Obi-wan didn't remind me of old Obi-wan. Whiny Anakin can't possibly be Darth Vader. The Jedi, whom we thought of as a mysterious order of knights or something, turn out to be a committee of dudes who mostly do nothing and are the last to know what's going on. Yoda, so wise in the originals, gets fooled left and right. Even the terrain: because of all the CGI, nothing even looks like the same universe, even when they're on the same planets.

So the prequels might as well be a separate series, or an Abrams-style reboot in a different timeline, as far as I'm concerned. As if they say: "This is how Vader could have come to be, but if you don't like this version, just wait ten years or so until we reboot it again."

Blogger praetorian December 05, 2015 10:46 PM  

I can't wait for the new Star Wars. It's going to be an epic SJW clusterfuck. Is it too much to hope that the black guy actually literally cucks a white jedi in the movie? Like Lenin said: the worse, the better.

Related, regarding Episode 1...

Anonymous A. Nonymous December 05, 2015 10:58 PM  

I don't think it makes any difference if a black guy is a lead

It does, son. It does...

Blogger Krul December 05, 2015 11:05 PM  

@121 CC - "...they just didn't seem like they took place in the same universe anyway."

Moreso the fact that, aside from the jarring stylistic changes you listed, there are blatant continuity errors, like this one: "I somehow don't remember this robot that I knew well and that saved my life like 20 times back in the day."

Anonymous Ras al Ghul December 05, 2015 11:11 PM  

Cail:

Its worse than no studio control and people being suck ups.

Its been reported that no one can talk to George without his permission and you get fired if you do

Blogger Hazim December 05, 2015 11:13 PM  

This year my 7-year-old daughter specifically asked for "normal" Legos (i.e. the kind that her big brothers have always gotten). She has developed enough lego skill to recognize that the conglomeration of pieces she has acquired from the girl - marketed sets everyone has assumed she preferred don't have half the potential for unfettered creativity that the cis-Legos have.
Out of the mouths of babes.

Anonymous RedJack #22 December 05, 2015 11:16 PM  

Star Wars hold a nice place in my childhood. My first movie that I remember was Empire, and I spent many a snowy day refighting Hoth. However, I do remember when I was in high school an old girlfriend wanted to watch the Trilogy. We rented them all from the video store, grabbed some friends, and spend the night going through them all.

It was like digging up a beloved memory and burning it at the stake. My 18 year old self didn't like what my 9 year old self loved.

So I won't be seeing this new one in the theater. Not because it may be SJWSW, but because the drive for it is not there. I will probably watch in from Redbox sometime.

The reason I watch the Marvel movies is simple. There are good guys, and bad buys, and the good guys mostly win. Most movies make you feel like you spent two hours sitting in a sewer being vomited on. It is a nice candy bar, when all that is typically offered is a stale rice cake.

Blogger Gunnar von Cowtown December 05, 2015 11:24 PM  

Lucas is a sellout in the purest sense of the word. I recently watched THX 1138 (1971) for the first time, and couldn't believe how good it was, a dystopian masterpiece that was way, way ahead of its time. He went from that to Ewoks and Gungans?!? George is all about the sheckles. SJWars will probably make him even richer.

@1 In all fairness, Nate was probably gonna call us idiots regardless.

OpenID pancakeloach December 05, 2015 11:24 PM  

@114 I also must have seen a defective copy in theaters, because I had to sit through basically the whole movie with my eyes closed due to shaky-cam-induced nausea. At least that way I wasn't blinded by lens flare, I guess.

Re: onewingedshark and MLP, that was my thought as well, "What about the success of MLP, plus assorted other Hasbro brands for girls?" But then I googled it and despite recent growth in girl-oriented brands, they're still running more than $100 MILLION behind the boy's brands' revenue. @24 is correct. And the success of brands targeted toward a female audience by design is hardly relevant to the likely outcome of a franchise being mutated to serve SJW interests in any case.

As far as the new SW movie, I have low expectations but the childlike enthusiasm of certain family members is endearing enough that I will tolerate it for their sake. The Disney Star Wars died to me when they threw out the EU as cannon; I would have loved to see decent movie adaptations of Zahn's trilogy!

Blogger ScuzzaMan December 05, 2015 11:38 PM  

The BBC goes full Magic Dirt (they actually call the dirt "magic").



Blogger Michael Maier December 06, 2015 12:05 AM  

It's too bad Netflix went that direction, as I really liked Netflix's Daredevil.

Are you kidding me? The Kingpin is so fucking pussy-whipped, it turns my stomach. Even Marvel's Ultimate Spider-Man didn't make Kingpin a pussy.


The fight over the sarlacc pit was epic.

Yeah... right. Blind Han took out Boba Fett as comic relief. Fuck George Lucas. He probably takes it up the ass as a coal-burner from his wife pegging him.

Blogger automatthew December 06, 2015 12:10 AM  

George Lucas had a cameo on The O.C.

Both the show and the man were diminished by this.

Blogger OneWingedShark December 06, 2015 12:15 AM  

@129 "The Disney Star Wars died to me when they threw out the EU as cannon; I would have loved to see decent movie adaptations of Zahn's trilogy!"

Oh, tell me about it! Zahn's trilogy was excellent! -- However, I do see why they might want/need to discard the EU: namely that keeping it would force the direction future movies could take -- for example Chewbacca's death and Jacen Solo's decent to the dark side.

Re: onewingedshark and MLP, that was my thought as well, "What about the success of MLP, plus assorted other Hasbro brands for girls?" But then I googled it and despite recent growth in girl-oriented brands, they're still running more than $100 MILLION behind the boy's brands' revenue. @24 is correct.

There seems to be two thing I could argue here: first, just because the girl's franchises are not doing as well as the boy's does not necessarily mean that it's doing poorly. (To say otherwise is to almost reject capitalism, where both the seller and buyer come out ahead by their own reckoning.) The second is this: it can be hard to divide all products into boy's/girl's franchises, if we take something like Tinker-Toys*** it's not really targeted at boys over girls [AFAICR] (though given the boy's [generally] naturally higher spacial-awareness, I would be unsurprised to see that they use Tinker-Toys more oft than girls).

And the success of brands targeted toward a female audience by design is hardly relevant to the likely outcome of a franchise being mutated to serve SJW interests in any case.

I think the Church can serve as a good counterexample there -- while not a corporation in the capitalistic sense, we see that the targeting of women via the feminine drive to be inclusive* (often because the devaluation of the masculine drive for discipline/virtue**) simply kills the integrity of the Church.

* -- In the sense that Paul commanded the excommunication of an unrepentant church-member... but also remember that after the excommunicated repented, then Paul instructed them to welcome him back.

** -- "Vir" is latin for man, and the root word of virtue.The wikipedia article for "virtus" is, IMO, interesting.

*** -- yeah, K'Nex, not Hasbro, but serves as a nice example

Anonymous kfg December 06, 2015 12:28 AM  

If it weren't for Red Letter Media I wouldn't have a clue about the prequels past, "Wait a minute, he's going to turn to the Dark Side and become Darth Vader because . . . he misses his MOMMY? Fuck this shit."

This article is the closest I've come to paying attention to the postquels.

Anonymous A. Nonymous December 06, 2015 12:47 AM  

There seems to be two thing I could argue here: first, just because the girl's franchises are not doing as well as the boy's does not necessarily mean that it's doing poorly. (To say otherwise is to almost reject capitalism, where both the seller and buyer come out ahead by their own reckoning.) The second is this: it can be hard to divide all products into boy's/girl's franchises, if we take something like Tinker-Toys*** it's not really targeted at boys over girls [AFAICR] (though given the boy's [generally] naturally higher spacial-awareness, I would be unsurprised to see that they use Tinker-Toys more oft than girls).

Nonetheless, the success of Hasbro as a company is owed in large part to toys aimed explicitly at boys. They were basically a pencil-box company with a few forays into toy-manufacture under their belts when G.I. Joe took off like a Polaris SLBM in 1964 and continued to provide both significant profits, and, to all intents and purposes, the "face" of the company, for the next 30 years.

Anonymous A. Nonymous December 06, 2015 12:52 AM  

Yeah... right. Blind Han took out Boba Fett as comic relief.

Even the Ewoks weren't so bad in comparison with that monumental cock-up...

Blogger Groot December 06, 2015 1:20 AM  

@40. TroperA:
"just peter out like the Abrams Star Trek movie franchise."

Just to step back into reality for a bit:
Abrams' Star Trek: Worldwide: $385,680,446
Star Trek Into Darkness: Worldwide: $467,381,584

We should all "peter out" like this.

@55. BunE22:

For you:
(\(\
(=' :')
(,('')('')

@89. cavalier973:
"I am glad that the Star Wars prequels got made the way they did, because they spawned the excellent 'Mr. Plinkett' reviews from Red Letter Media. If I were teaching a class in filmmaking, the prequels coupled with the Plinkett reviews would be part of the curriculum."

I'm glad I read through to find this before posting. Film schools actually do use this. Despite being a bit of a bore for posting this repetitively every time Star Wars comes up, here goes again:

Mr. Plinkett's Star Wars prequels devastating take-down.

Watch this (all of them) right now. No, shut up, watch them. Seriously.

Blogger Doom December 06, 2015 1:43 AM  

Star Wars really wasn't all that. It was great, if you saw it as a kid. I ignored it until the mid 80's, and wasn't terribly impressed by that time. Alien, sure. Star Wars not so much. Perhaps in balance S.W. didn't have a chance. Well, and I wasn't a kid when I saw it.

On the other hand, I don't see that much difference between the original S.W. sets and the later movies. They all track about the same. I think it has to do with having only seen the movies as an adult, so understanding right up front and solidly how limited the S.W. lines of thought were. They were, and to me remain, childish, simplistic, and mildly entertaining. Videographic comic books. If you see them in that light then you don't get upset about... any of it. As for the SJW entryism? That is the kiss of death on any enterprise. So, if you disliked the recent offerings, then... it's a good thing. A big enough enterprise will burn, but like the phoenix rise from it's ashes. If there was nothing really there, more as I suspect, it will simply go away. No skin off my nose either way.

Blogger Doom December 06, 2015 1:45 AM  

[That's how, with corporatized entities, I ask... is it dead yet?]

Anonymous A. Nonymous December 06, 2015 2:24 AM  

Star Wars really wasn't all that. It was great, if you saw it as a kid. I ignored it until the mid 80's, and wasn't terribly impressed by that time. Alien, sure. Star Wars not so much.

Star Wars holds up well. Alien doesn't bear close scrutiny.

Blogger Shimshon December 06, 2015 2:36 AM  

I was 11 when IV came out. My mother worked at 20th Century Fox at the time, so I never actually saw it in a commercial theater. I saw it in a big screening room.

Growing up near Westwood, which had some of the best screens around, I loved seeing movies as a kid. But the stuff they're doing today, I can't even bear to watch most of the stuff coming out even when it's free.

Cail, regarding the Abrams ST reboot. What really did it for me was, Spock was marooned on the moon (or wherever), knew that the Miracle Worker himself was stationed nearby, and sat on his ass while the bad guy (can't even remember his name) spends hours or days even drilling a big hole to the center of the planet. Yet, Kirk appears out of nowhere, Kirk gets the mind-meld synopsis to bring us up to date, they go to Scotty, and beam aboard the Enterprise, like totally casually, later. Seriously? That one point is a little too much suspension of disbelief.

The next one is a pretty good remake of TWoK. Except the painfully obvious look-at-me parallels were ridiculously overbearing, and also detracted from the plot.

I liked the Peter Weller character. He seemed to relish the role (I also have warm and fuzzy memories of Buckaroo Banzai). Too bad he's gone.

Anonymous TroperA December 06, 2015 2:41 AM  

@40. TroperA:
"just peter out like the Abrams Star Trek movie franchise."

Just to step back into reality for a bit:
Abrams' Star Trek: Worldwide: $385,680,446
Star Trek Into Darkness: Worldwide: $467,381,584

We should all "peter out" like this.


Feh. The G.I. Joe and Transformers series also made lots of money are they're still cranking out sequels for them. But all of these movies series just seem kind of "there". Not something that's anticipated as much or that takes as much cultural space as movie franchises used to. Rarely you'll find a Star Wars or LOTR reboot /sequel that's sufficiently hyped to the point that it feels like an event--the way many expensive movie series used to feel. (Maybe I just don't run in the cultural circles where I would experience a media hype machine. Maybe I need to get out more...)

Blogger ray December 06, 2015 2:42 AM  

Maybe George knew more about the Empire than he should.

Blogger papabear December 06, 2015 2:46 AM  

@76 Maybe you've forgotten Alias.

Blogger papabear December 06, 2015 2:48 AM  

More from Abrams. http://deadline.com/2015/12/jj-abrams-explains-boys-thing-star-wars-comment-misunderstood-1201653533/

Blogger Michael Maier December 06, 2015 2:48 AM  

Funny... trying to get caught up on THE FLASH TV show... and I must endure commercials vs Cigarettes and Wetback Jane The Virgin...

Fuck this fucking stupid Earth.

Blogger Steve, the Dark Ninja of Mockery December 06, 2015 3:12 AM  

Shimson - I liked the Peter Weller character. He seemed to relish the role

RoboCop, and that blonde bird, were the best things in that film.

I didn't mind Karl Urban's DeForest Kelley impression, but Simon Pegg's mugging and eye-rolling was painful to watch.

They should do a sequel to RoboCop where Peter Weller's loveable cyborg cop has retired from the force and now works as a P.I. in Hawaii.

Blogger Shimshon December 06, 2015 4:35 AM  

I thought Urban's McCoy also a good casting choice. They got the "bones" reference wrong (my understand is "sawbones," or just "bones," was a somewhat common nickname for doctors some time back), which grated.

Pegg could have played the character a little straighter and still done a fine job as Scotty. But they stuck him with an absurd Ewok-y sidekick. What else could he do?

Anonymous Laz December 06, 2015 4:51 AM  

"If Lucas gave a damn about the over-10-year-old audience's opinion, Jar Jar wouldn't have been back after the first one. Bringing him back and giving him a role beyond kiddie comic relief was a big middle finger to the audience, saying, "Screw you, I can do whatever I want."

Even though the character was created years before Obama came into the public spotlight it seems like he's a caricature of Obama- idiotic puppet manipulated into bringing the democratic republic down.

Anonymous Rhys O'Reilly December 06, 2015 5:07 AM  

I just lost my long post. Short version: Star Wars was a fantasy set in space and that is why it is so appealing. The movie includes tropes/legends that are embedded in our culture history - see Joseph Campbell.

Empire continued this.

ROTJ turned its back on most of this but is still an ok movie though it has 3 major flaws:

1. Ewoks.

2. Han and Leia on the moon is pretty boring

3. At no point is it believable Luke will turn to the dark side. ROTJ should have been about a bitter Luke, feeling betrayed by Kenobi and Leia (who is not his sister and who chooses Han over him despite his love for her) and therefore can be believably tempted by power, making his story an echo of his fathers (farm boy who followed a knight/wizard off on adventure but was seduced by power). Luke though has the strength his father never had and turns down the power and then his father redeems himself.

@ 112 and 119: You're both pretty close but not quite.

-----------
"Going somewhere, Solo?"
The Corellian couldn't identify the voice, coming as it did through an electronic translator. But there was no problem recognizing the speaker or the gun it held stuck in Solo's side.
The creature was roughly man-sized and bipedal, but its head was something out of delirium by way of an upset stomach. It had huge, dull-faceted eyes, bulbous on a pea-green face. A ridge of short spines crested the high skull, while nostrils and mouth were contained in a tapirlike snout.
"As a matter of fact," Solo replied slowly, "I was just on my way to see your boss. You can tell Jabba I've got the money I owe him."
"That's what you said yesterday-and last week-and the week prior to that. It's too late, Solo. I'm not going back to Jabba with another one of your stories."
"But I've really got the money this time!" Solo protested.
"Fine. I'll take it now, please."
Solo sat down slowly. Jabba's minions were apt to be cursed with nervous trigger fingers. The alien took the seat across from him, the muzzle of the ugly little pistol never straying from Solo's chest.
"I haven't got it here with me. Tell Jabba-"
"It's too late, I think. Jabba would rather have your ship."
"Over my dead body," Solo said unamiably.
The alien was not impressed. "If you insist. Will you come outside with me, or must I finish it here?"
"I don't think they'd like another killing in here," Solo pointed out.
Something which might have been a laugh came from the creature's translator. "They'd hardly notice. Get up, Solo. I've been looking forward to this for a long time. You've embarrassed me in front of Jabba with your pious excuses for the last time."
"I think you're right."
Light and noise filled the little corner of the cantina, and when it had faded, all that remained of the unctuous alien was a smoking, slimy spot on the stone floor.
Solo brought his hand and the smoking weapon it held out from beneath the table, drawing bemused stares from several of the cantina's patrons and clucking sounds from its more knowledgeable ones. They had known the creature had committed its fatal mistake in allowing Solo the chance to get his hands under cover.
"It'll take a lot more than the likes of you to finish me off. Jabba the Hutt always did skimp when it came to hiring his hands."
Leaving the booth, Solo flipped the bartender a handful of coins as he and Chewbacca moved off. "Sorry for the mess. I always was a rotten host."


------------

It reads as though Greedo was going to shoot him outside which, thankfully, was not included in the script. There is no mention of Greedo firing though "light and noise" filled the corner could mean anything.

Blogger Steve, the Dark Ninja of Mockery December 06, 2015 5:29 AM  

Shimshon - oh, God. I'd forgotten about his weird little mini-me. Yes, Pegg could've pulled it off had the scriptwriters not been determined to make New Scotty a gurning clown. Without a good comic script, Pegg just isn't funny. He's a decent actor when playing it straight.

I put the "Bones" clanger down to modern educayshun.

Rhys - the Greedo scene would have been more entertaining if he'd been facing Francis Begbie.

Anonymous Laz December 06, 2015 5:49 AM  

"3. At no point is it believable Luke will turn to the dark side."

Yeah, but that's all on Mark Hamill. A better actor would have made it more believable.

ROTJ should have been about a bitter Luke, feeling betrayed by Kenobi and Leia (who is not his sister and who chooses Han over him despite his love for her) and therefore can be believably tempted by power, making his story an echo of his fathers (farm boy who followed a knight/wizard off on adventure but was seduced by power). "

I really like this idea. I've long been a fan of unconventional stories and would rather see the bad guy win once in a while than see the hero overcome seemingly insurmountable obstacles to win the day again and again.

Blogger Arthur Isaac December 06, 2015 5:54 AM  

The only Force skill I would learn is telekinetically shutting off the other dudes lightsaber, after that the rest should be easy.

Anonymous That Would Be Telling December 06, 2015 7:29 AM  

Roddenberry was responsible for the dreck that was Star Trek the Motion Picture.

A lot of it, for sure. One thing that I assume as the producer he was responsible for was picking an entirely incompetent guy for the special effects, who did stupid things like stage a huge explosion and only have a 16mm camera filming it. Douglas Trumbull of Silent Running special effects fame was called in at the last minute, almost literally so, and threw together enough good effects to barely carry that part of the movie, but that helped to give it the name Star Trek, The Motionless Picture. And of course it was a retread of The Changeling Nomad TV episode.

And the first season of ST:TNG: one good episode out of it, with a huge special effects blooper (Riker dodging a phaser, which one of the special effects team members on Bix admitted). Two horrible miscastings, a mentally unstable security officer who caused more problems than solved them (all while the tall, dark and silent Klingon was the obvious choice, pity when he assumed that post the screenwriters were so incompetent they had to make him incompetent to get their stories started), and unlike the original McCoy and the 2nd doctor, Crusher who didn't feel at all like a real "life and death" doctor. And so many obnoxious characters like her son and Q. Like Lucas after the success of the original trilogy, it sure looks like Roddenberry had too much power to screw up.

The fight over the sarlacc pit was epic.

Yeah... right. Blind Han took out Boba Fett as comic relief. Fuck George Lucas. He probably takes it up the ass as a coal-burner from his wife pegging him.


Yeah, but that's the only time in the original movies we see a Jedi really cut loose with his light saber, which was epic. At which point, after the end of Empire, Luke was pretty humorless, wearing all black, and so on. I don't entirely object to the humor added to that scene, but after they'd did such a build up of Boba Fett his death in that scene was ludicrous.

Even the Ewoks weren't so bad in comparison with that monumental cock-up...

I suppose after the above and various other underwhelming parts of RofJ the Ewoks were less of a surprise. And thinking about it now, I'll bet they were in part an "OK, you didn't accept that the Rebel Alliance were the Viet Cong, how about these true savages!". But at the time I merely through "Fucking Merchandising" and checked out of the franchise.

Blogger Shimshon December 06, 2015 7:33 AM  

I was very excited when TNG started. It was so cringe-worthy I gave up well before the end of the first season. I picked it up again years later (in 1992) and it was much enjoyable. But that's how long it took me to give it a chance again.

Blogger Skylark Thibedeau December 06, 2015 8:31 AM  

Star Wars and Star Trek to me are, after being taken over by JJ Abrams are in the same place he left LOST: Purgatory.

Blogger Elocutioner #0226 December 06, 2015 8:45 AM  

"Yeah... right. Blind Han took out Boba Fett as comic relief."

And did you noticed that I linked a video?...

Blogger Skylark Thibedeau December 06, 2015 9:24 AM  

The Phantom Menace which came out in 1999 is full on SJW. Lucas failed miserably in his story of the evil trade federation lead by Nute Gunray (Newton Gingrich) and Lott Dodd(Trent Lott) trying to overcome the virtuous Valorum(Clinton) administration. His poor attempt to make political allegory blew up in his face as the SJW's short attention span was overwhelmed by pidgin Japanese and blackface Jamaican accents.

Blogger Skylark Thibedeau December 06, 2015 9:24 AM  

The Phantom Menace which came out in 1999 is full on SJW. Lucas failed miserably in his story of the evil trade federation lead by Nute Gunray (Newton Gingrich) and Lott Dodd(Trent Lott) trying to overcome the virtuous Valorum(Clinton) administration. His poor attempt to make political allegory blew up in his face as the SJW's short attention span was overwhelmed by pidgin Japanese and blackface Jamaican accents.

Anonymous Conservative Buddhist December 06, 2015 9:25 AM  

How far we have declined.
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/12/the_alpha_male_at_bay.html

Blogger Were-Puppy December 06, 2015 10:02 AM  

@2 Susan

Not the reconfigured DVD's that were updated to feed into George's current politics, the originals. It is a real shame he had to do that to his fans, by tinkering with a great franchise like he did.
---

Those make me yell at the TV

Anonymous Joe Blowe December 06, 2015 10:06 AM  

JJ Abrams (cough, cough) has stated in so many words that casting a Negro male and a white female as the leads in Star Wars 7 were acts of SJW activism. Just another example of the revolutionary spirit of his tribe. Fuck them.

Star Wars started going down hill with the Vader as Luke's father reveal in the last 5 minutes of Empire. WTF? After that making Vader Leia's father, the creator of C3PO, and fucking Space Jesus was a matter of course. Yes, Vader was born by way of immaculate conception and became the most pivotal person in the entire galaxy. Fuck Lucas.

Blogger Were-Puppy December 06, 2015 10:10 AM  

@21 Godfrey

The original 1970's version of Luke Cage that is. I'm sure Marvel has probably turned him into a establishment houseboy now.
---

Yep. With the white girl no less.

Anonymous A. Nonymous December 06, 2015 11:44 AM  

Yeah, but that's all on Mark Hamill. A better actor would have made it more believable.

Hamill's performance in RotJ is perfect.

Anonymous Dr. J December 06, 2015 1:03 PM  

I second the recommendation for Plinkett's reviews. A great cathartic for anyone who hated the prequels.

But I will see the new one, no one who flew their Kenner Millenium Falcon through an 80's haze could resist this

Blogger Kyle Smith December 06, 2015 1:25 PM  

Abrams problem is that he has great starts to stories but connects them to nothing beyond the current scene. ST has some myth is to it which he butchered in the remakes. The first one is very entertaining, the second is painful because of its overly done homage to the original. SW has mythos in the many ways which was mostly killed by Lucas but is not a good fit for Abrams style.

Also if Abrams was deliberate in choosing his characters for SJW purposes it just illustrates how silly they are because given the many women and blacks in important positions in the series it is hardly revolutionary and just gives them the feeling of being progressive without doing anything different. Maybe it allows them the chance to rewrite history (which they love) by saying the first movies are regressive - which is crazy. Now, if they had had the guts to makes the mains transgender or gay I would respect their efforts. Otherwise blah.

Anonymous LoseTheHounds December 06, 2015 2:54 PM  

Youtuber Brother John lays into SW & SWTFA:-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8akdEHDmzg&t=5m40s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yy2EeWWQXW4

Blogger White Devil December 06, 2015 4:11 PM  

A. Nonymous
Morally/culturally, Hunger Games was well dissected by TheLastPsychiatrist and YourMovieSucks but summarizes: Present strong womyn, give them unlikely importance, have them win without committing actions with moral consequences (killing.)

TL;DR follows

The original Tron is a Western in two layers. Top layer involves bringing in of Flynn (insider values, outsider skills) into town (the company) to root out the bad sheriff (Dillinger) who he has a grudge with. The second layer involves Flynn descending into the computer world, where the symbollic, atari era recreational games have their real dynamic of war. Flynn, again an outsider, first has to accept the reality that the games have consequences, then accept that they apply to him, then that move on to apply his creativity to a real problem (MCP etc) while real expertise and potency remains in the hands of Tron, until Flynn can exit quietly back to the overworld.

Flynn, having gone into the dark forest, returns with wisdom: he stops hanging out with teenagers at his arcade after his defeat in the corporate world, takes his rightful place as king/adult/creator and leads his programmer nation to a brighter future, not of control, but of expression: a mirror of the computer world where the processing time consumed by the MCP returns to the land and the programs to build again.

Tron Legacy abandons the western structure and the heroic moral element. Sam (identified in the sound track as Son of Flynn) has isolated himself, but has all the trappings of cool: motorcycles, base jumping, hacking. He can infiltrate the company (that he already owns?) to hack and release the operating system for free to the public (no business model, no dream, just an idea that stuff should be free) and he can do that without negotiating. He can embarrass the "squares" in the board room on national TV. Dillinger's son is a non-entity to Flynn's son. Sam has all the power he could want, he just lacks the respect from older men and hasn't bothered to attach himself to a woman or establish a home.

Deus Ex Machina: Sam gets an invitation to go to the old arcade. He turns up, falls into the machine and discovers his father. He learns nothing from his father. He merely arrives to screw up the balance of power, enable evil, learn nothing but gain the rest of his inheritance: The Perfect Woman and the key to computer fairy land.

Sam finds his father, asks for help and the father dies to enable the son. Because presumably, the father was hording fairyland to himself. As well as the hot girl (who is dripping with talent, yet worshipful of relatively inept Sam FlynnSon, who only has a lack of regard for consequences.)

In the end, Sam Flynnson has inherited Fairyland, re-established his connection to his messiah father (but taken on none of his wisdom) and rides off into the sunrise with Olivia Wilde: magic messiah girl, who has the power of being fun and sexy and obsessed with Sam.

TL;DR

Tron Legacy is a fairytale about how babyboomers didn't love their kids, but when they die they'll leave their kids magic powers, so they'll sort it out with their philosophy of Having Fun.

Blogger Derrick Bonsell December 06, 2015 4:36 PM  

@158. Valorum was utterly incompetent and corrupt to boot. If he's supposed to be Bill Clinton then Lucas must have a thing against Clinton.

Blogger OneWingedShark December 06, 2015 7:18 PM  

@186 "Tron Legacy is a fairytale about how babyboomers didn't love their kids, but when they die they'll leave their kids magic powers"

That's the first time I've heard staggeringly crippling debt called "magic powers".

Anonymous LL #0002 December 06, 2015 10:42 PM  

Both my two young nieces are totally into Star Wars stuff. I just bought "boys stuff" for them. It's cheaper anyway & a stormtrooper & Darth Vader are the same, regardless if sold in the boys section or girls.

These people are idiots

Anonymous tublecane December 08, 2015 12:39 AM  

I'm no Lucas apologist, but for the record if it was luck he got lucky at least three times, with: American Graffiti, Star Wars, and Indiana Jones.

Anonymous tublecane December 08, 2015 1:01 AM  

@38-What confuses me about Han shooting second is the that it doesn't change his character all that much, despite most complaints I've heard. Greedo has a gun pointed at him the entire scene, which alone is enough to justify Han shooting first. So he's not a murderer in the original cut, as Lucas would have you believe. Greedo even says something like, "That's the idea," after Han says, "Over my dead body." Which refers to Jabba eventually killing Han, I think, but could just as easily be a direct threat. So Han's not some sort of coldblooded badass, as originalists would have you believe. He waits an awful long time under threat before responding.

The difference between the versions, aside from the latter being unbelievable and weird looking, is between a guy who has a gun pulled on him and is under threat of eventual death and a guy has a gun actually fired at him. Not exactly a grand canyon of difference over which to distinguish his character. If anything, it's a big change for Greedo, who goes from a bounty hunter on the make to a triggerhappy murderer.

Anonymous tublecane December 08, 2015 1:12 AM  

"after they'd did such a build up of Boba Fett"

Boba Fett was built up in certain audience members' minds, not in the actual movies. I think his popularity was entirely accidental and unforeseen. What did he do in Empire Strikes back, anyway? He had a cool ship, and a nice little moment when he followed the Millennium Falcon after its escape trick. He followed them to the cloud city, yes, but he didn't even catch them. Darth Vader did that. His ship was involved in the lingering image of the Princess shooting in vain for her departed love, but that had almost nothing to do with him. What else did he do, in that movie or the next? Pretty much nothing, except appear sinister for the ten minutes or less he or his ship was on screen. I can't call that a "build up."

Anonymous tublecane December 08, 2015 1:45 AM  

@74-You're absolutely right. The Kirk and Spock of the new series of movies should hate eachother. In fact they spend most of their movies hating eachother. I have no idea why we're supposed to think they're friends, aside from the fact that they're the Kirk and the Spock.

The first new Star Trek was fun, if forgettable. The second one was an abomination. Why not simply remake Wrath of Khan if you're going to steal (and inverse) its ending, minus the tragedy? Instead they cook up a new, nonsensical plot--having something to do with 9/11 and the Iraq war, maybe; I couldn't say because it didn't make enough sense--and plop Khan and the Wrath ending on top because...I don't know. The audience would be confused if it didn't see anything familiar. Even if the familiar didn't fit. When the bad guy was revealed to be Khan the audience was supposed to gasp, but in the reality of the scene the other characters would say, "Your name's Khan? Okay. What were we talking about again? Oh, yeah...[scene continues]"

He wasn't Khan, either. He was Superkhan, with superpowers, so that our heroes would look better beating him. The only connection to the previous Khan is the name, really. Which didn't stop them from pulling Nimoy into the movie for no good reason and asking him how to defeat Khan. How they knew Old Spock knew Khan I don't know. They must have watched the Wrath of Khan, which also explains how they knew to act out its ending later in the movie (inversely, without the tragedy).

The parade of things the audience is familiar with didn't end there, either. There were also Klingons, for no good reason. They shoehorned in Tribbles, which connected to the plot but lacked all biological sense. I am astounded how hooked Hollywood thinks we are on nostalgia. It's bad enough that a mere 1.25 movies a year aren't based on previous movies. Within each remake (reboot, reimagining, sequel, prequel, postquel, etc.) must be at least 45 minutes of images, sounds, and/or ideas pulled directly out of my memory.

I suppose I can see it with Star Wars and Star Trek. Fans will pay for the label, but you might at least try and make the sawdust taste a little bit like bread on the off chance they won't buy next time. But why, oh why, do they need to remake Point Break, for instance? If they put the same movie out with the title "X-treme Heisters" would anyone notice? People who've seen Point Break more than once, like me. But would I care? No.

Blogger Cail Corishev December 08, 2015 9:04 AM  

Boba Fett was built up in certain audience members' minds, not in the actual movies.

Heh, yeah, if you only watched the movies, did you even notice him? Was his name even spoken? Did he have a line in the original, or was that added into Lucas's remakes?

I think that's one reason I never got much into Star Wars: the serious fans all got into the expanded stuff, so if you just watched the movies, you never knew what they were talking about.

Post a Comment

Rules of the blog
Please do not comment as "Anonymous". Comments by "Anonymous" will be spammed.

<< Home

Newer Posts Older Posts