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Sunday, December 13, 2015

The call of the cuck

A review of Cuckservative anticipates, correctly, I suspect, that it is Christians who will find it most difficult to give up their extra-Biblical Good Samaritanism:
The chapter on Christianity and cuckservatism is perhaps the most devastating in the book, and will be the most difficult pill to swallow for those at whom it is aimed. Your ordinary political cuckservative is, at some level, aware of his own pusillanimity and bad faith. Christian cuckservatives are, generally speaking, much more naive, good-hearted and truly well intentioned. For them, looking in the mirror that Vox Day and Red Eagle hold up will be extremely difficult. I would not be surprised if the loudest condemnations of this book come from Christian cuckservatives. Ordinary political conservatives reading this book may reproach themselves for their former credulousness and lack of good judgment, but they may more easily and readily be won over to the worldview that Vox and Red Eagle advocate since they can place the blame on the leaders of the movement. The Christian will have to go through a complete paradigm shift over his basic understanding of his own religion before he will be capable of making that same leap.
I've seen this repeatedly in Churchians. Their religion consists of equating "love" with "being nice". It puts a premium on whatever makes them feel good emotionally; they are essentially emotional hedonists rather than physical ones.

Churchians can no more accept the concept of a God who is intolerant, or a Savior who does not save everyone (except, perhaps, for the intolerant), any more than an inveterate deviant can accept the concept of a God who considers sexual deviance to be abomination. It is not an accident that they are so easily subverted by the wolves in sheep's clothing, who use the intolerance intrinsic in the concept of a fallen state of Man requiring salvation to deny the Cross, deny the Resurrection, deny Hell, and finally, deny Jesus Christ of Nazareth.

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Anonymous jt sport December 13, 2015 11:54 AM  

VD: Thank You.

Blogger S1AL December 13, 2015 11:54 AM  

One of my formative moments as a teenager was reading an article entitled "Niceness is not a virtue", in what was then one of the only reliably Biblical Christian news sources (World Mag - no idea if it's still good). The point was much the same. It's amazing to me that anyone can read the Bible and not see how this is true.

Blogger J Van Stry December 13, 2015 11:54 AM  

I think this is definitely true of some faiths, but not all. Some of the more 'conservative' Christian faiths definitely understand that you do not 'make nice' to bad people. You can try to convert the bad people, but you don't play nice to them, especially the ones who won't convert.
Usually these are the people who still read the bible and still understand that yes, evil does exist, and its still out there in the world today.
I always find it funny that so many people think that christians who go to church are all right wing conservatives, when most church goers are fairly left of center, and democrat.

Remember, they're called 'Christian Southern DEMOCRATS' for a reason!

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr December 13, 2015 11:59 AM  

Part of the problem, I suspect, lies in the lack of a hierarchy of duty. Cuckservatives are willing to starve their own children to feed someone else's. And while sacrificing your own wealth and well-being for others may be a Christian virtue, sacrificing someone else's wealth and well-being for the same goal falls short.

Blogger Steve, the Dark Ninja of Mockery December 13, 2015 11:59 AM  

Seen in church recently - pictures of adorable doe-eyed little Syrian kiddies in the newsletter with tearful screeds about welcoming wefwugees and whatnot.

I nearly died of estrogen poisoning just looking at it.

The wife had to stick a syringe full of whisky and an aqueous solution of Tom Kratman novels directly into my heart to save my knob from falling off.

Letting an enemy sneak through the gates to rape your daughter, slit your neighbour's throat, and throw the village gay off a building ain't Christianity, it's a sick BDSM bottom bitch fetish.

Real Christianity - the religion that built cathedrals and abolished slavery and waged holy war against the Moors - is a religion for men.

Anonymous Faceless December 13, 2015 12:07 PM  

This is what's so funny about things like the Southern Baptists and their statement on supporting the mass invasion. Once you get past the part that realizing that the other churches, especially the Orthodox lines, are not considered churches at all by the SBC, and so somewhere below unreached Muslims, they say:

God is doing a great thing! He is dropping all these people on our doorstep! We don't have to go far to evangelize! We can accomplish the Great Commission in our own neighborhood!

Let he who is filthy be filthy still: American churches and American Christians have not accomplished the Great Commission in our own neighborhoods heretofore. There's something appealing about being the hero running off to a foreign land. It's harder to ask somebody near you what they believe. It's doubly harder when you strongly suspect that this new neighbor is going to violently reject your overtures.

Given the damage that this will do especially to the economic bottom, one would wonder how a gentile church can support this wave of immigration while our only charge from Peter, James, et al was to remember the poor. Remember the poor did not mean to import more poor.

Anonymous Susan December 13, 2015 12:09 PM  

I found from my experience as a former member of a women's Bible Study group several years ago, that most of this "make nice" outlook comes from a refusal to accept the God of the OT. The OT to them showcased an "angry God" and that made the ear tickled among them very uncomfortable.

They prefer the NT, which fits their touchy feely mindset much better. No offense intended to any here, but the ones with the most problems grasping the OT were the Catholic members of the group.

The idea that God treated sinful people and their corrupted natures in exactly the way they deserved gives the ear tickled variety of Christians a very bad case of the hives. They don't understand that God was actually doing them a kindness.

Blogger dc.sunsets December 13, 2015 12:12 PM  

Enabling the delusions of the delusional is identical to providing vodka to the alcoholic, yet this is the mantra of totalitarian tolerance. If this is love, what's their definition of hate?

Anonymous Be Not Afraid December 13, 2015 12:18 PM  

@5:

Steve, you might've hit the nail on the head. Is it fair to say the Churchian churches are the most feminized ones?

If so, is there hope and proper Christian church out there for us Protestants? My own church seems lost; it's all about the annual Costa Rica cuck trip these days. And with a squishy new pastor, plus waiting for the entire UMC to self-destruct over SSM at the General Conference in Portland next year, I'm finding it very difficult to get myself out the door on Sunday mornings.

Anonymous Sensei December 13, 2015 12:25 PM  

This is a looming crisis in the American evangelical church right now. SJWism is deeply embedded over multiple generations. Despite what many here will say (some of whom clearly cannot speak of the current state of the church with any actual experience of it), it's not just Churchians. Churchians are those who follow the Call of Cuckthulhu because of the influence of popular culture, which is their real authoritative source of truth, and they deserve whatever contempt they receive.

But I know very many devout, Bible-believing Christian men, who are being confused by a strain of SJW-like thinking very deeply embedded in Evangelical academia. Being strong men of faith, they instinctively react against it, but when they go to their commentaries and trusted sources of Biblical interpretation, it's there too. Same as the blue pill stuff, it smells wrong but the people they trust on everything else are telling them to train themselves out of that instinct.

I predict there is going to be a massive split in evangelicalism with a new group emerging, similar to the Fundamentalist reaction against liberal theology decades ago. One major problem is right now most (not all) people taking a stand against the Church of Nice apostasy are the kind of people who can't be considered credible voices in the church. Again, it's like the blue pill situation. Those who you are supposed to be able to trust are as confused on this particular issue as you are, but the only sources making sense are the ones you've been trained your whole life to reject as invalid.

(Come to think of it, Trump is pretty much exactly the same thing: the right facts coming out of the wrong mouth.)

OpenID juliansavalescu December 13, 2015 12:41 PM  

I've seen this repeatedly in Churchians. Their religion consists of equating "love" with "being nice". It puts a premium on whatever makes them feel good emotionally; they are essentially emotional hedonists rather than physical ones.

I just learned a great vocab for this: Moralistic therapeutic deism.

1. A god exists who created and ordered the world and watches over human life on earth.
2. God wants people to be good, nice, and fair to each other, as taught in the Bible and by most world religions.
3. The central goal of life is to be happy and to feel good about oneself.
4. God does not need to be particularly involved in one's life except when God is needed to resolve a problem.
5. Good people go to heaven when they die.

The term was created to describe teenagers, but it works for Churchians because they never grew out of it. They're stunted.

I also have a running theory that the new world order religion will feature this message more explicitly.

Blogger Markku December 13, 2015 12:42 PM  

I predict there is going to be a massive split in evangelicalism with a new group emerging, similar to the Fundamentalist reaction against liberal theology decades ago.

If these are the last days, there definitely will...

Mat 13:30
Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan December 13, 2015 12:49 PM  

I would bet good fiat that even the women of the feminized churches will admit those institutions are fails. Game explains more about the state of those churches than bible verses.

Anonymous 0007 December 13, 2015 1:09 PM  

Anyone whoever read/heard the story of Noah SHOULD have a vague idea of just how intolerant God can be. That or Jesus and the Temple money changers.

Blogger Dexter December 13, 2015 1:09 PM  

So the sequel to Cuckservative will be Call of Cuckthulhu?

Anonymous adamalan December 13, 2015 1:10 PM  

Remember the gospel for many of the churchians amounts to a shallow get out of jail free/once saved always saved theology.

They are more American than Christian and feminism runs deep. Of course the conservative ones all think they're opposed to feminism and the exception; but unless their woman are all wearing cloth coverings, they're part of the problem.

The burden of Isaiah applies to our generation; as Rom 1 should make clear.

Blogger Dexter December 13, 2015 1:12 PM  

My own church seems lost; it's all about the annual Costa Rica cuck trip these days.

Where the Eloi are ritually killed and eaten by the local Morlocks.

This do-gooder had two teenage kids... shoulda been home in Florida with them, not in a shitty country helping strangers.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3356302/US-voluntary-worker-stabbed-death-Costa-Rican-capital-Police-say-Florida-woman-repeatedly-knifed-hotel-room.html

Anonymous Be Not Afraid December 13, 2015 1:23 PM  

@17

Maybe we should call it Cucksta Rica.

Blogger Neanderserk December 13, 2015 1:24 PM  

James Donald calls being holier than Jesus supererogation, and recommends killing anyone who preaches it and checking his grave in three days.

Christians are commanded to love ONE ANOTHER, meaning other Christians. And to love their neighbors - meaning those geographically nearby who engage in mutual assistance, or are likely to.

Anonymous The OASF December 13, 2015 1:24 PM  

Okay... I have not had a chance to tackle the entire book yet. The Stillers and Bungles and a few beers this afternoon have priority. So this may be talked about already in a chapter... when will we have a talk about the "neo-cuck?" Seems like churchian evangelical zionists and that concept tie well in with this post.

Anonymous Nxx December 13, 2015 1:31 PM  

1. Genesis tells us God created the Nations (races).

2. Revelations tells us that in the End Times God will receive the Nations to His side.

3. Therefore the Bible tells us that it is God's Will for the Nations to be eternal and it is against God's Will for them to be destroyed.

4. Therefore the Bible tells us that it is anti-Christian to seek to destroy any one Nation, be it by means of racial engineering or otherwise.

5. The false Christians who interpret Galatians as a command to merge the races and sexes are therefore not Christians but Churchians, better described as Followers of the Church of Sodomy and Genocide.

Blogger Epimandes December 13, 2015 1:35 PM  

This do-gooder had two teenage kids... shoulda been home in Florida with them, not in a shitty country helping strangers.

"When you give a luncheon or dinner, do not invite your friends, your brothers or sisters, your relatives, or your rich neighbors; if you do, they may invite you back and so you will be repaid. But when you give a reception, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, the blind, and you will be blessed, since they do not have the means to repay you; for you will be repaid at the resurrection of the righteous." (Luke 14:12-14)

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 December 13, 2015 1:35 PM  

I have a question for all the people here, something that I'm merely asking for my own curiosity.



We've all seen a lot of people who don't like the idea of shutting Muslims out, even temporarily. There's a lot of "that's just what ISIS wants!" to their arguments, along with "you racist!" and "you coldhearted bastard!" thrown in there.

I'm well aware of the valid counters to all of that. But there's something that just occurred to me that I want your opinions about. Maybe you've seen something I haven't.

Because one opinion I have seen is the one where they say "if they come here, then they will adopt Western ways and that will change Islam for the better!", more or less. Leaving aside the cultural imperialism implied in it (irony!), how much do people like this support assimilationist policies?

Because while assimilation is clearly a choice, there are policies that can increase assimilationist pressures, and policies which can decrease it. Refusing to offer official documents in languages other than English, for example. Strict enforcement of basic criminal law, including deportation as punishment. No access to welfare until you've taken your citizenship oath, no matter how long that takes (this is admittedly problematic for immigrants with children born here, given our current "birthright" policy).



So, how much support do these people offer for policies that create or increase assimilation pressures? Anyone seen any examples? Has anyone seen any examples of ANY pro-immigration people who support stronger assimilation pressures?

Blogger Dexter December 13, 2015 1:41 PM  

@22,

1 Timothy 5:8

“But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.”

Short version -- don't be a cuck.

Blogger Krul December 13, 2015 1:48 PM  

Title made me think of this:
Call of the cuckoo for the Cuckservative.

For the Republican: The Elephant

And for the Democrats: Wild Asses

Anonymous Cyclone Bob December 13, 2015 1:48 PM  

Dexter - "This do-gooder had two teenage kids... shoulda been home in Florida with them, not in a shitty country helping strangers"


She was murdered in her room at Hotel Casa 69, presumably by her possessive boytoy gigolo.

She wasnt do-gooding, she was whoring.

OpenID Jack Amok December 13, 2015 1:48 PM  

So, how much support do these people offer for policies that create or increase assimilation pressures?

None. They assume that they themselves are so incredibly wonderful that the immigrants will be in awe of them and will want to be like them.

Anonymous Rolf December 13, 2015 1:59 PM  

@23 - essentially there is not only NO public assimilation pressure, there is actively anti-assimilation pressure via the celebration of diversity. If an immigrant seeks to assimilate, they might well be seen as a sell-out to their own culture, even by some of those who are not of it (progressives).

These are the same people who see no irony in wanting to ban all guns and blame all gun-owners for the crimes the (relatively small number of) criminals, while saying nobody can paint all muslims with the brush of terrorism because they are not all terrorists.

Blogger dvdivx December 13, 2015 2:00 PM  

It reminds me of Christians that think that even after adultery you can't divorce your wife. She goes on a "mission trip" pops out a brown baby and you are expected to be a good beta and pay for it. At that point you might as well let Muslims kill and rape Christians because they are worse than artists throwing Christ into vials of piss.

Anonymous Ness1 December 13, 2015 2:02 PM  

Churchianity is ugly:

Their religion consists of being liked and seeing themselves as morally superior to others in order to control others.

They are narcissistic in their perceived 'goodness' and worship this image of themselves, not God.

Its rampant in my family's church and once the blinders are off, very ugly to watch, if not amusing in its stupid predictability.

The church cannot articulate a reason to oppose White Genocide or indeed any White interests. Meanwhile the church has has a Chinese, Japanese, and South Asian church structure without batting an eye.

They will pray for more outhouses for third world villagers, but not for Christian persecution in North America.

They will pray against ethnic interests and recognition in the third world but ignore it in the neighbourhood nest door.

As for 'White assimilation', there is NO assimilation when 100 non-whites assimilate with 100 Whites, no matter now 'well'.

Its just Genocide. Its destruction.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 December 13, 2015 2:03 PM  

@27 @28

So neither of you have ever seen any pro-immigration people endorse assimilation policies? Because without them, even the stated assumptions about the value of immigration as such becomes highly... suspect, to say the least.

Blogger S1AL December 13, 2015 2:08 PM  

The only people I've seen advocate for assimilation line in areas with low-to-nonexistent immigration. Curious, I know.

Blogger vashine December 13, 2015 2:12 PM  

@ Ness

Exactly. There is nothing thoughtful about any of it. They all act like herd animals, running off the cliff, scared, but acting confident as they shout "Jesus" during the next round of overly-sentimental prayer sessions and Christian rock songs.

Some of them can be won over, many, especially many of the men, are silently lost, groping, and they sense, palpably, the weakness and emotionalism of it all. Give them the solutions and the answers, and how to fight it and throw off those blinders, and some of them will. Others won't, not until their pretty little duaghters are raped or cut up by savages. Oh, if she gets knocked up by one she was allowed to date, they'll just dig themselves deeper into the 'forgiiiiiiive and accept them all' hole. And blame themselves somehow.

Blogger dvdivx December 13, 2015 2:14 PM  

Ask any ex muslim who lived in the middle east or africa what muslim assimilation is. They don't assimilate. They take over and destroy like locusts. They lie and it's part of their religion to lie to unbelievers. They kill and rape because it is a MANDATORY (jihad is one of the five pillars) part of their religion to kill and rape unbelievers. You are not inviting the poor into your countries you are omly inviting death into your countries.

Anonymous SixtusVIth December 13, 2015 2:17 PM  

@7

I found from my experience as a former member of a women's Bible Study group several years ago, that most of this "make nice" outlook comes from a refusal to accept the God of the OT. The OT to them showcased an "angry God" and that made the ear tickled among them very uncomfortable.

They prefer the NT, which fits their touchy feely mindset much better. No offense intended to any here, but the ones with the most problems grasping the OT were the Catholic members of the group.


I'm neither offended nor surprised. The heresy you describe is that of Marcion; I'm sure you will see the similarities:

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09645c.htm

We must distinguish between the doctrine of Marcion himself and that of his followers. Marcion was no Gnostic dreamer. He wanted a Christianity untrammeled and undefiled by association with Judaism. Christianity was the New Covenant pure and simple. Abstract questions on the origin of evil or on the essence of the Godhead interested him little, but the Old Testament was a scandal to the faithful and a stumbling-block to the refined and intellectual gentiles by its crudity and cruelty, and the Old Testament had to be set aside. The two great obstacles in his way he removed by drastic measures. He had to account for the existence of the Old Testament and he accounted for it by postulating a secondary deity, a demiurgus, who was god, in a sense, but not the supreme God; he was just, rigidly just, he had his good qualities, but he was not the good god, who was Father of Our Lord Jesus Christ. ... Marcion had secondly to account for those passages in the New Testament which countenanced the Old. He resolutely cut out all texts that were contrary to his dogma; in fact, he created his own New Testament admitting but one gospel, a mutilation of St. Luke, and an Apostolicon containing ten epistles of St. Paul. The mantle of St. Paul had fallen on the shoulders of Marcion in his struggle with the Judaisers. The Catholics of his day were nothing but the Judaisers of the previous century. ... The first description of Marcion's doctrine dates from St. Justin: "With the help of the devil Marcion has in every country contributed to blasphemy and the refusal to acknowledge the Creator of all the world as God". He recognizes another god, who, because he is essentially greater (than the World maker or Demiurge) has done greater deeds than he The supreme God is hagathos, just and righteous. The good God is all love, the inferior god gives way to fierce anger. Though less than the good god, yet the just god, as world creator, has his independent sphere of activity. They are not opposed as Ormusz and Ahriman, though the good God interferes in favour of men, for he alone is all-wise and all-powerful and loves mercy more than punishment. All men are indeed created by the Demiurge, but by special choice he elected the Jewish people as his own and thus became the god of the Jews.

Blogger Cecil Henry December 13, 2015 2:28 PM  

'Assimilation' is a cuck term, and a cuck mentality yet again.

Its says sure, Whites can be displaced, reduced in numbers and their race destroyed as long as others 'assimilate'.

You house is better than mine, nicer and better run. Why can;t I assimilate into your house?? I should have 'equal' rights too!! But I'll assimilate.

This is exactly the means to destroy the West-- ANYBODY can come as long as they assimilate!!

NO. That is cuck thinking. ITs anti-white thinking.

Its says again that Whites have NO right to exist. There can be NO White schools, no all White cities, no all White nations, no all White anything.

ie: White GEnocide.

Anonymous weka December 13, 2015 2:28 PM  

1. Genesis tells us God created the Nations (races).
Sort of. You get a division in the geneology between the general racial groups (Japeth, Ham, Shem) and then among the Shemites you get a division into nations. The other groups less so. Better is to look at the prophets: Babylon was raised up, and destroyed: the Amorites were destroyed. The Hittites are no more.

2. Revelations tells us that in the End Times God will receive the Nations to His side. Does it? It says that those who are faithful through the tribulation from all tribes and nations will be before God. It says nothing about nations, particularly the nations of the colonial expansion, which includes most of the Anglosphere.

3. Therefore the Bible tells us that it is God's Will for the Nations to be eternal and it is against God's Will for them to be destroyed.

An error of about the same intellectual validity as British Isrealitism.

4. Therefore the Bible tells us that it is anti-Christian to seek to destroy any one Nation, be it by means of racial engineering or otherwise.
I would argue the converse: that the Empire of Spain was spawned to reconquest the Iberian peninsula and then fulfil their mission by stopping human sacrifice on the Mayan temples, and the British empire existed to stop ritual cannibalism in New Zealand and Fiji, by missionaries and navy, and to stop slavery, by proclamation and naval blockade.

5. The false Christians who interpret Galatians as a command to merge the races and sexes are therefore not Christians but Churchians, better described as Followers of the Church of Sodomy and Genocide.

No. Wrong argument. The better argument is @24, where Dexter correctly quotes Timothy: our job is to provide for our family first: that implies discernment.

Keep those groups who have a track record on neither converting or assimilating away, especially if they love the pedobear and terror. Those who do covert and assimilate strengthen us.

I have, of course, just described the Chinese and Koreans. Who the progressives hate, for they are no churchians, but of Christ, with perhaps some Confucian steel.

Blogger praetorian December 13, 2015 2:29 PM  

The chapter on Christianity was, indeed, devastating.

I would expect the chapter on free trade to generate more heat here, if a blog post is ever dedicated to it.

Blogger S1AL December 13, 2015 2:34 PM  

@Cecil Henry - Yes, we get it, you hate people who aren't sufficiently White for your taste (whatever the heck that means to you), but your monomania and inability to understand plain English ceased being amusing long, long ago.

@weka - Let's not forget all the times God destroyed nations, or declared them for destruction and then remembered after they repented, or raised up new nations.

Anonymous Ad Victoriam December 13, 2015 2:41 PM  

@23 My very strong non-quantitative perception is that pro-immigration sentiment is HIGHLY correlated with anti-assimilation sentiment. Globalists and leftist radicals imo both want immigrants as unlike freedom-loving Americans as possible, for purposes of political neutralization and raw hatred, respectively.

As for Muslims, I think that ones who embrace sharia are FUNDAMENTALLY incompatible with that part of Western Civilization developed by free men. In my opinion, that is why the globalists seem more panicked over calls to temporarily halt Muslim immigration than in simply reducing Hispanic immigration. They want immigrants who are maximally unlikely to assimilate into and buttress or grow the traditional demographic most likely to oppose them.

Note the long history in many European nations of Muslim radicalization coming from ostensibly integrated/assimilated families. They are ok as long as they embrace their religion the way I have Christianity, as cultural heritage not to be taken literally, but when they start taking things literally, the memes governing their behavior clash violently with everything Western. Thus radicalism can skip generations.

I can believe that many Muslims washing up into Europe are simply seeking a better life and not consciously practicing hijrah, but I've read, in Germany at least, that Salafist Muslims already in place are targeting these people for radicalization literally the day they arrive. Islamic populations in the West constitute a permanent pool of radicalizable people. This will NEVER go away. The best we can hope for is to minimize our blundering in the Muslim world so that when these people radicalize they simply get disgusted with us and move to Pakistan or Saudi Arabia instead of shooting up Christmas parties. That's the best possible downside to allowing Muslim immigration, and there is no significant upside.

Blogger Zaklog the Great December 13, 2015 2:42 PM  

Reflecting on my own (by our society's standards) relatively minor misdeeds, I was recently driven to contemplate something I had thought about before. I suspect that much of what many of us call our virtue is our lacking the power to be as bad as we would like to be. To personalize this: I am not a good person, I am a terrible person who is fortunately constrained by circumstance to not to the vast majority of the damage I might if I were free. This is entirely in line with Christian doctrine of our sinfulness, but most Christians shy away from this. (Indeed, it is quite likely that I, myself, will allow time and forgetfulness to hide this revelation from me.) I suspect Christians who are willing to face this are much better able to embrace the truth that good is not the same thing as nice.

Blogger Rabbi B December 13, 2015 2:43 PM  

A few salient questions for the Churchians to ponder:

In a culture that is cut loose from the past defined only by the present, where time and space have been rendered relative, how does the church chart their course?

In a culture that values style over substance and experience over truth, what is the church to do?

How does the church effectively confront the god that holds the most sway in this culture, the god of personal choice?

What is the church to do when the ability to read carefully and intelligently has gone the way of the dinosaur?

What is the church to do when the patterns of reasoning are practically extinct?

We live in a world that ostensibly champions truths but not truth. What is the church's answer?

What does the church do in the face of the ubiquitous SJW who only recognizes and subtly advocates their personal preferences, which only serves to manifest how really insecure they are about their status, a status which typically demand be considered beyond any critique or question?

What does the church have to say to a world that militantly refuses to tolerate any worldview that would lay exclusive claims on personal loyalty and allegiance to the one true G-d of heaven and earth?

In short, what is the church to do in a world where everyone is doing what's right in it's own eyes?

Judgment begins in the house of G-d. May the house of G-d get their act together and their respective houses in order sooner than later. May the leaders and shepherds study to show themselves approved so they may be equipped to fight the battles that are raging even now and are only going to intensify as our final redemption draws nigh. May G-d purge the cuckservtive Christians who are only taking up space in the pew and may worthy soldiers who are loathe to involve themselves in civilian affairs take their place.

A great shaking is coming. We have spent enough time dressing ourselves and going where we want to go. It's time for G-d's people to answer the questions above with how they live their lives, using words only when necessary, for talk is cheap. A time is coming and perhaps now is, when serious people are going to be dressed by Someone else and be led to where they would rather not. May His people be strengthened for such a time and may we not of those who are wont to shrink bank.

If we can't keep up with the footmen, even now, how in the name of G-d do we think we are going to fare when the horseman arrive?

It's the man who endures to the end who will be saved, the man who is aware that his soul could be demanded of him this very night.

At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11 and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase of lawlessness, the love of most will grow cold, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. (cf. Matthew 24)

Blogger Cecil Henry December 13, 2015 2:43 PM  

@S1AL

'Hate' is the only term you have for my right to exist, to my nation and my future. YOu can't imagine anything else but hate.

Despicable. Underneath in all you're the bigot you can't countenance.

Anti-Whites like you have said for years that

1. There CANNOT be a future with White people, or

2. There SHOULD NOT be a future with White people.

SAY something different!!!

Anonymous Bean Tavy December 13, 2015 2:43 PM  

In C.S. Lewis's Perelandra, beings who are basically angels manifest themselves to the protagonist:

The faces surprised him very much. Nothing less like the 'angel' of popular art could well be imagined. The rich variety, the hint of undeveloped possibilities, which make the interest of human faces, were entirely absent. One single, changeless expression-so clear that it hurt and dazzled him- was stamped on each and there was nothing else there at all. In that sense their faces were as 'primitive', as unnatural, if you like, as those of archaic statues from Aegina. What this one thing was he could not be certain. He concluded in the end that it was charity. But it was terrifyingly different from the expression of human charity, which we always see either blossoming out of, or hastening to descend into, natural affection. Here there was no affection at all: no least lingering memory of it even at ten million years' distance, no germ from which it could spring in any future, however remote. Pure, spiritual, intellectual love shot from their faces like barbed lightning. It was so unlike the love we experience that its expression could easily be mistaken for ferocity.

OpenID Jack Amok December 13, 2015 2:45 PM  

So neither of you have ever seen any pro-immigration people endorse assimilation policies?

I've not seen any recently. Perhaps there are a few scattered individuals who still advocate for immigration and assimilation, but they're a negligible voice at this point.

Decades of multiculturalism have made it pretty clear the vast majority of immigrants don't really want to assimilate, and experience living among them makes Americans not want them around. Meanwhile, Progs have moved the goalposts for virtue signaling so you can't be "virtuous" anymore if you advocate for assimilation.

So... there's nothing to be gained anymore advocating for immigration plus assimilation. It's no-man's land where you're stuck sharing your prosperity with aliens while simultaneously being called a bigot.

Anonymous My Take #212 December 13, 2015 2:49 PM  

It is incumbent upon true Christians, that they separate themselves from un-believers. This is not to say they should not evangelize, but in the main there is no common set of values that relate to these associations. Since most of the mainstream churches (apologies to J. Wright), including the Catholic Church are dead set on immigration from all corners of the globe, I have not attended one in several years. There may well be Muslims that will immigrate and attempt to assimilate to the western way of life. Based upon my reading of their history and culture, this would be extremely rare. The Islamic religion teaches that there is no alternative other than death. If a Muslim converts, even he is supposed to be killed. Since God gives life to all, it is sacred and should only be destroyed for a valid reason. This is why capitol punishment was instituted and is used by a duly elected government to exact punishment for heinous acts. Simply because a man writes in a book that all infidels should either convert or be destroyed is anathema to the human condition, I don’t care what your religion says. I do not believe we should be importing anyone who does not recognize that this nation was founded on the freedom of each individual to worship as they please. Why do we need people who treat their women as cattle and believe that genital mutilation is an acceptable method to control desire? Who believe nine year old girls are ready to marry? Who condone pederasty while at the same time tossing confessing homosexuals off of roofs? If someone tells me I will either believe a certain way or else, they need to be ready to use force to make that happen. And in the good old American tradition of self-defense, the or else may get very uncomfortable for them.

Blogger S1AL December 13, 2015 2:49 PM  

@Cecil Henry - You quack and waddle, thus I find you a duck. You are incapable of making more than one statement, thus I find you a simpleton. You misuse the term "bigot," thus I find you a hypocrite.

@Ad Victoriam - Pretty much that.

Blogger Yemi Fawehinmi December 13, 2015 2:57 PM  

Vox,

This was me to a tee. I equated "love" with being nice but inside me I felt there was something off with this. I found your site (via The Deuce) when gamergate began and have become a regular reader. Through your site the spell of Churchianity has been broke and I can see much clearer. Finished "Irrational Atheist" and "SJWs always Lie". Started reading "Cuckservative" this week and it's equally as good. Thanks for what you do.

Anonymous crushlimbraw December 13, 2015 3:00 PM  

This post by VD strikes close to home in my personal observation and experience as a Christian for well over 40 years. The American church has become totally feminized - even where the pastor and elders might be all men. The last Barna survey says the average church has 61% women and 39% men.
The sermons, music and the entire culture literally repels most men. Much of the theology has been turned into Christian psycho-babble, with Jesus as our divine butler. We pursue this 'personal relationship' to the point we have become mystics.
This pursuit of pietism has always been part of church history, but always as an adjunct, not the main focus. Historically, Christian churches did follow Christ's edict to 'make disciples of all nations'. After all, western civilization was built on the pillars of Christianity - and that goes double for the founding of America. At least for the first 200 years.
Beginning about 200 years ago, the inevitable corruption began and has achieved its fulfillment today. Whenever the full counsel of God has not been taught from the pulpit, the church strays and loses its ability to be salt and light.
Without question, our national culture has affected the church much more than vice-versa.
Not only will there have to be a national house cleaning, but the church as well. In fact, reading both the OT and NT in the bible makes that pretty clear. The remnant will survive!

Blogger Tom Kratman December 13, 2015 3:02 PM  

I put that on my facebook pagv, Steve. Too funny not to memorialize.

OpenID Jack Amok December 13, 2015 3:03 PM  

Note the long history in many European nations of Muslim radicalization coming from ostensibly integrated/assimilated families...Thus radicalism can skip generations.

Consider the state of the moslem world at the time most of those initial immigrants left their homelands. A collapsed Ottoman empire replaced by secular Turks and a bunch of colonial and post-colonial autocratic regimes. They were fleeing secular corruption and oppression in places where the religious fanatics were opponents of those in power. Their children had little reason to dislike the fanatics and some reason to favor them. Add to that the emotional instability and dissolution caused by living in a foreign culture (and one going to hell to boot), and they're prime candidates for recruitment.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 December 13, 2015 3:06 PM  

@39

As for Muslims, I think that ones who embrace sharia are FUNDAMENTALLY incompatible with that part of Western Civilization developed by free men

Since the basis of Islam is that Muslims are supposed to be slaves to Allah's will, this I take as a given.

Sharia-compliant Muslims don't have much support for free speech when it comes to criticism of Islam, whereas most Christians I've known wouldn't even consider wanting to outlaw criticizing Christianity. *Shunning* people yes, but by color of law? No. So it always looks like "special pleading" when Muslims talk about free speech.

Free speech and the right to bear arms are arguably the two most important pillars of Western civilization to people of any religious faith, including atheists like me. Both are mutually supporting, and without either one of them the society eventually starts to corrupt itself. And from what I understand, a lot of Muslim immigrants are pretty anti-gun.

That might simply be an association problem: all of the bad guys have guns where they come from. But it's still a domestic political problem that they have this belief, however justified it might be.

Blogger Were-Puppy December 13, 2015 3:10 PM  

@28 Rolf

These are the same people who see no irony in wanting to ban all guns and blame all gun-owners for the crimes the (relatively small number of) criminals, while saying nobody can paint all muslims with the brush of terrorism because they are not all terrorists.
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This one is so common, it should have a special name. Any time a shooting happens, all the trolls march forth and go on and on about various mixtures of white Christian NRA males.
Then when that shooting turns out to be terrorist related, those same trolls instantly switch hive mind gear to NAMALT!

Anonymous johnc December 13, 2015 3:17 PM  

Seems like the initial election reports from France aren't the most encouraging so far.

Anonymous Susan December 13, 2015 3:19 PM  

@48 crushlimbraw

The music is indeed one of my biggest pet peeves with my former church. The fellow in charge of it is on the young side, so you can imagine the kind of touchy feely nonsense he likes to play. He also hated to play actual hymns of faith, claiming they were just too slow, or were outdated and the youth would not like them. It is all about attracting the youth now, not serving the existing congregants. Then they wonder why their offerings and membership was falling.

In defense of this, the pastor used to criticize the congregants and tell us to "listen to the words" and that we were disrespectful if we didn't like the choices sort of thing. Well, I did listen, and it just seemed to me that most of it was not glorifying the majesty of the Lord, it was more like embracing Jesus as more of a boyfriend or something.
That is just wrong. He isn't our boyfriend, he isn't our beer drinking buddy, he is our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, and deserves all the respect we can give to him in worship.

There is also something wrong with a church worship service that takes you from being very happy and looking forward to hearing the Lord's word for the day, to feeling your soul just being beaten down by crappy music. I love going to church to learn more. But I do not appreciate my good spirit and willing heart being assaulted with not so good worship music.

Blogger S1AL December 13, 2015 3:31 PM  

On the topic of music, my favorite version of O come O come Emmanuel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8j0jSJ8pwiE

Not for the faint of heart.

Blogger Epimandes December 13, 2015 3:32 PM  

Steve Jobs was the son of a migrant from Syria.

Blogger Rabbi B December 13, 2015 3:34 PM  

@56 Epimandes

The first Apple computer also sold for $666.66 iirc. So, there you go.

Anonymous tz December 13, 2015 3:38 PM  

One strange but obvious thing is the Wives - whom are apparently healthy and fertile - want to adopt ... I'm not sure what to call them.
I might understand a truly orphaned minority prodigy, but not some random child.

But that goes to the root - Milo did a good job at Breitbart on the problems with Birth control.

While the various manosphere sites state "eggs are expensive", women don't even want them.

"Cuck" obviously applies to the male, but there ought to be some term for the female that instead of wanting to do something involving her own eggs and getting laid, would rather do something cuckoo.

I suspect Cuckservatism is merely another manifestation of a particularly virulent strain of feminism infecting society.

Note that "fixing immigration" won't help when the population is insisting on committing demographic self-genocide (suicide?). Swedish women don't have manly husbands or sons to defend them. And it is the rape capital of the EU.

Until there is a return to the old "average sized" family being about a half-dozen, combined with an education rooted in the English / Anglo-Saxon legal tradition - Blacks Law dictionary, the Declaration and the Constitution, etc., there isn't much hope. (Kudos at least on this to Glenn Beck who is talking and David Barton of Wall Builders that has resources like the Founder's Bible).

Yet locally I've thought more than once it looks more like the 1950s culture with its baby boom (Not just the one-family filling the pews at Mass, but the Evangelicals and Mormons seem to be trying as hard).

P.S. The only thing I found lacking in the book was that it didn't include a chapter or two on all the generic cuckery. Bohener and McConnell are feeding Obamacare, the Iran deal, banksterisms, ... of which Immigration is perhaps the most critical, but hardly unique example.

Anonymous JI December 13, 2015 3:48 PM  

I need help identifying "extra-Biblical Good-Samaritanism". I try to avoid the trap of nice=love, but I think I still get sucked into it. Any suggestions or guidelines? Vox?

Blogger ncartist December 13, 2015 3:50 PM  

55. S1AL

Not for the faint of heart.
You do not understand: music can carry its own meaning apart from the words.

Blogger tz December 13, 2015 3:59 PM  

(Apologies if this is a duplicate, as I don't see the original).

One strange but obvious thing is the Wives - whom are apparently healthy and fertile - want to adopt ... I'm not sure what to call them.
I might understand a truly orphaned minority prodigy, but not some random child.

But that goes to the root - Milo did a good job at Breitbart on the problems with Birth control. http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2015/12/08/birth-control-makes-women-unattractive-and-crazy/

While the various manosphere sites state "eggs are expensive", women don't even want them.

"Cuck" obviously applies to the male, but there ought to be some term for the female that instead of wanting to do something involving her own eggs and getting laid, would rather do something cuckoo.

I suspect Cuckservatism is merely another manifestation of a particularly virulent strain of feminism infecting society.

Note that "fixing immigration" won't help when the population is insisting on committing demographic self-genocide (suicide?). Swedish women don't have manly husbands or sons to defend them. And it is the rape capital of the EU.

Until there is a return to the old "average sized" family being about a half-dozen, combined with an education rooted in the English / Anglo-Saxon legal tradition - Blacks Law dictionary, the Declaration and the Constitution, etc., there isn't much hope. (Kudos at least on this to Glenn Beck who is talking and David Barton of Wall Builders that has resources like the Founder's Bible).

Yet locally I've thought more than once it looks more like the 1950s culture with its baby boom (Not just the one-family filling the pews at Mass, but the Evangelicals and Mormons seem to be trying as hard).

1 Tim 2:15 "But women will be saved through childbearing - if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety". When was the last time you heard that verse engaged?

P.S. The only thing I found lacking in the book was that it didn't include a chapter or two on all the generic cuckery. Bohener and McConnell are feeding Obamacare, the Iran deal, banksterisms, ... of which Immigration is perhaps the most critical, but hardly unique example.

Blogger tz December 13, 2015 4:04 PM  

@54 - I really, really understand, but I have a problem. The "Extraordinary rite" (latin) mass here is so sublime, beautiful, that when the choir sings, I end up weeping to the point I'm worried about electrolyte imbalances. They do traditional chants, and counterpoint (Palestrina, etc.).
It's bad when the service lasts under an hour and you want to leave early.
It's worse when it is somewhere nearing 2 hours or more and you want it to keep going as it feels as you are already in heaven and don't want to leave.

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Blogger Doc Rampage December 13, 2015 4:05 PM  

The enlightenment produced two opposite corruptions of Christianity: Nationalism and Internationalism. Both take what they want from Christianity and both leave out what is inconvenient. The Internationalists ignore the stuff about loving your family and your neighbor and doing your duty by those who depend on you. The Nationalists ignore the stuff about God making all people clean, and how the Church overrides race, class, and sex, making us all one people, all one body.

Both movements have both an anti-Christian components: Communism vs. Fascism, and both movements have a Christian side: the modern Church of England vs. the Southern Baptists of 60 years ago.

How can Christians be so at odds with one another? It is because they start with their political preferences and search for Christian justification. It is the same whether they are looking to justify homosexuality or race hatred.

But this is the opposite of what believers are called do. You don't first decide what you want to find and then go looking for it, you first lay down your own desires and wishes--because they are all fully corrupt and evil--and then you seek what God wants. If you do this, you will find something that doesn't fit either of the worldly gods, Nationalism or Internationalism.

Blogger S1AL December 13, 2015 4:05 PM  

I was being a bit facetious there. I like my music a lot stronger and more bombastic than most, to the point that it concerns most of my older relatives. I figured that a number of the Ilk might be more inclined to it.

Blogger tz December 13, 2015 4:09 PM  

@51 - You can only have the 1st amendment while the 2nd is respected.

"Sticks and stones will break my bones, but words will never hurt me".

Strictly not true, but words ought to be fought with words. Sticks & stones with bullets.

I am allied with Atheists who through reason recognize the rights, the "natural" law and such and would defend the constitution.

Blogger tz December 13, 2015 4:11 PM  

@45
"Why do we need people who treat their women as cattle and believe that genital mutilation is an acceptable method to control desire?"
And Circumcision? Technically this is male genital mutilation.

Blogger bob k. mando December 13, 2015 4:17 PM  

10. Sensei December 13, 2015 12:25 PM
who follow the Call of Cuckthulhu



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Blogger Rantor December 13, 2015 4:18 PM  

For me it has been help your neighbor, destroy your enemy. Of course I chose a military career. God gave the state the power of the sword... I figure he meant it to be used, at least against Muslims and other heretics. The fact that our state's priorities are forked up is a separate issue.

Blogger tz December 13, 2015 4:20 PM  

To expand on the point, the "Catholic Church" is only guaranteed to be correct and authentic on faith and morals, and even then in narrow circumstances.

It is often stupid and corrupt. (duh!). Popes and saints are different things.

It has no special knowledge of science.

It might have some authority at a remote and abstract level on the topic of Migrants - Charity and justice still apply. But has no real authority beyond teaching, other than excommunication for grave errors or heresy.

I'm still waiting for Pelosi to be excommunicated (or maybe exorcised).

Blogger Joshua Sinistar December 13, 2015 4:22 PM  

If you're looking for God in a Church, that's your first mistake. Jesus only went to the Temple to overturn the tables of the moneychangers and never went there again.
His preaching was in God's house with God's ceiling of the sweet blue sky and the Sun which is God's lamp,
There are two flavors of apostasy offered at churches. One is the preening self-righteous heretic who loves to show her charity and false faith to the congregation to receive the praise and accolades of her "good" work. These insufferable idiots cannot shut up about how much they have helped others. Believe me, true charity is always done silently, because altruism does not ask for praise.
The other Apostasy seems worse but is no worse sin to God. It is the faker who pretends to help others to make easy profit to fund vice without condemnation. The biggest examples seem like the Swaggerts and the Televangelists who buy hookers and gold ornaments for their house, but even the down-low versions who funnel money to themselves under the table are probably doing it more often because of the shadows hiding it.
Our frenemies in Government are pouring cash into obscure sects claiming Christ as their official brand of Apostate behavior. Even if the pews are bare of worshippers, their coffers are full of easy money smuggling foreigners into your communities.
Beware those who shout the Name of God, they are the worst heretics.

Blogger The Other Robot December 13, 2015 4:23 PM  

Front National contained for the time being in France.

The pressure continues to increase in the cooker.

Blogger haus frau December 13, 2015 4:40 PM  

Has anyone heard about this? Here's group claiming to be Muslim converts to Protestant Christianity and who do they pursue in the most obnoxious, counter-productive way to convert to the true faith......Catholics. Yep, they are in a unique position to bring the Word of God to the Muslims who are surely Hell bound and they choose refight Europe's reformation. You can take Islam out of a Muslim but you can't make him a westerner.
http://aleteia.org/blogs/deacon-greg-kandra/group-claiming-to-be-former-muslims-disrupt-masses-around-nevada/

Parishioners are terrified after protesters have disturbed Mass at several Catholic churches across the valley.

The group, Koosha Las Vegas, includes members who clearly identify themselves as former Muslims turned Christians. They’ve been entering churches during services, shouting at Catholics that they need to repent now or else, and filming the acts and posting them on the internet.

The videos make clear the group has been active on the Las Vegas Strip and several other places around the valley; they’re often seen with large signs and megaphones. The difference now is that they’re going into houses of worship and causing disturbances. Parishioners tell Action News it’s made them fear for their lives.

“Repent, and turn to Jesus Christ. Pope is a Satan! Pope is a Satan! Mary statue is a Satan!” the man behind the camera can be heard shouting.

The videos are taken by the very people passing out the pamphlets and shouting during mass in at least 3 incidents confirmed by police. The Catholic Diocese of Las Vegas confirmed to Action News “multiple disturbances at several of their properties”.

OpenID joshtheaspie December 13, 2015 4:43 PM  

@66
I call both forms of genital cutting by the more neutral term of 'genital cutting' rather than as 'circumcision' as proponents do, or 'mutilation' as opponents do. It tends to allow broader discussion.

In both cases, there are a wide array of stiles of cutting. The least extreme is a prick to the penis, clitoral hood, or labial folds with a sterilized pin, or scalpel.

In the more extreme cases, the entirety of the penis and scrotum are removed, or the entirety of the clitoris and the majority of the labial folds, the remnant of which are sewn shut.

In both cases, proponents claim a benefit of cleanliness, or that the procedure will reduce dangerous licentiousness.

Each time a reason for male genital cutting is put forth for non-Jewish Americans, other than cultural inertia, the proposed medical justification is disproven later-on.

In particular, the current justification of 'lowered spread of stds' neglects that male genital cutting also reduces condom use due to reduced penile sensitivity, thus making the apples-to-apples studies invalid. Rather, male genital cutting actually increases STD spread.

As a rule, I find that trying to claim that all forms of female genital cutting are abhorrent, while a number of forms of male genital cutting are just fine to be... illogical.

Particularly as there are some forms of female genital cutting that adult non-muslim women willingly pay for, to increase sexual sensitivity, by making the clitoris more accessible.

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Blogger OneWingedShark December 13, 2015 5:08 PM  

Really, all we need is to look at Paul to show the lie there.

(1 Timothy 5:8)
Anyone who does not provide for their relatives, and especially for their own household, has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.

But there are some who would say "that's Paul, not Jesus" as an objection, and it holds a little merit... but we can actually get to the same spot from Jesus's own words.

(Mark 6:7-13)
He said to them, “Isaiah prophesied rightly about you hypocrites, as it is written,
‘This people honors me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me;
in vain do they worship me,
teaching human precepts as doctrines.’
You abandon the commandment of God and hold to human tradition.”
Then he said to them, “You have a fine way of rejecting the commandment of God in order to keep your tradition! For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘Whoever speaks evil of father or mother must surely die.’ But you say that if anyone tells father or mother, ‘Whatever support you might have had from me is Corban’ (that is, an offering to God) — then you no longer permit doing anything for a father or mother, thus making void the word of God through your tradition that you have handed on. And you do many things like this.”

and
(Matt. 7:9-11)
Is there anyone among you who, if your child asks for bread, will give a stone? Or if the child asks for a fish, will give a snake? If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good things to those who ask him!

If these counterexamples, the evil gifts, show the moral reprehensibility of giving such terrible 'gifts', then how much more disregarding the actual needs of the children? (Indeed, these are evil because they act contrary to the child's well being: a stone instead of food? A [presumably poisonous] snake instead of a fish?)

And that ties into the immigration debate thus: if the government does not provide justice, opportunity for prosperity, and protection from those who mean harm, what good is it for the people? If they so readily disregard their own people, what makes you think that it will regard foreigners?

No, Jesus would not approve of a government betraying its own people in favor of strangers and criminals.

Blogger OneWingedShark December 13, 2015 5:18 PM  

@7 "They prefer the NT, which fits their touchy feely mindset much better."

But there's a huge disconnect here -- the God of the OT IS the God of the NT -- have they never heard that:
But now, apart from law, the righteousness of God has been disclosed, and is attested by the law and the prophets, the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction, since all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God; they are now justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, whom God put forward as a sacrifice of atonement by his blood, effective through faith. He did this to show his righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over the sins previously committed; it was to prove at the present time that he himself is righteous and that he justifies the one who has faith in Jesus. (Rom 3:21-26)

And that:
“Indeed, God did not send the Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Those who believe in him are not condemned; but those who do not believe are condemned already, because they have not believed in the name of the only Son of God. (Jn 3:17-18)

Blogger haus frau December 13, 2015 5:27 PM  

@54 Susan
you are certainly not alone regarding modern church music. One thing I appreciated about my very small old churchin the Midwest is that they used the old hymnal books with simple piano accompaniment. I absolutely hate the drippy,over emotional, sentimental light rock they play in most worship services. It repels me and I can only assume it also repels potential church goers who didn't grow up in that culture. I think it mostly appeals to older women.
@60 on the popularity of adoption overy making their own kids, I have heard more than a few times some good intentioned parent say that their are so many kids in need of homes it's iresponsible to make new kids when they can adopt orphans or something to that effect. I can see adopting in addition to having one's own but never purposely forgoing biological children.

Blogger Dexter December 13, 2015 5:35 PM  

@65,

You can only have the 1st amendment while the 2nd is respected.

Especially in a world in which the ACLU says its political enemies should be killed.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3357600/ACLU-leader-resigns-joking-shoot-voting-Donald-Trump.html

Like all Lefties, when he's caught saying something he really thinks, he claims "only joking!"

Chances of this guy being fired from his real (non-ACLU) job... slim to none.

Blogger OneWingedShark December 13, 2015 5:56 PM  

@36 "'Assimilation' is a cuck term, and a cuck mentality yet again."

I'm going to have to disagree, it is real and does happen. A friend of mine is an immigrant from Argentina and holds very American ideals, he is also a very strong Christian and extremely kind (not 'nice', actual kindness).

In fact, on the issue of immigration, the 1st generation immigrants (not the invaders [i.e. illegals] or results of the 'chain migration') I know tend to hold a much harsher opinion of the alien invaders than average Americans and value their Citizenship... I posit this is because they [generally] had to work for it.

Blogger Beau December 13, 2015 5:59 PM  

Peace I leave with you; my peace I give you. I do not give to you as the world gives. Do not let your hearts be troubled, and do not be afraid. John 14:27

This morning Karl, a white-haired man submerged in pain and misery, surrendered his soul to Jesus. Karl was asked, "Do you know about contracts?" He replied in the affirmative. I pointed out the above verse to him, "The Offer is peace, Acceptance comes from you, the Consideration is your soul." I asked, "Are you ready to close?" Karl prayed, "Jesus, I've sinned. Please forgive me. Be my savior, God, and Lord." Pretty good action on the third Sunday of Advent, receiving the Prince of Peace.

Blogger Artisanal Toad December 13, 2015 6:02 PM  

Christians who will find it most difficult to give up their extra-Biblical Good Samaritanism

Christians will find it difficult to give up their extra-Biblical *everything* that they hold dear. Watch:

All this started when the church invaded the family, usurped the authority of the husband, even so far as to regulate the marital bed. That usurpation was set in concrete with the imposition of monogamy. Laws were passed to protect women (from accountability) as the authority of the husband continued to be usurped.

@29 It reminds me of Christians that think that even after adultery you can't divorce your wife.

That means you haven't studied to show yourself approved.

Modern Christians don't understand that a "right" conveyed by the Law of Moses can be restricted for a specific class of persons (servants) without changing the Law. While the Law of Moses allows divorce, Christians have a Master and to His servants He gave specific instruction at 1st Corinthians 7:10-11.

Wives are not to leave their husbands (but if they do, she is to remain single or be reconciled to her husband), and husbands must not send their wives away.

The Christian who points back at Matthew 19 and claims the right to divorce for adultery is like the guy who signed a non-disclosure agreement, then points at the right to free speech to justify violating the NDA.

Study the curse of women at Genesis 3:16 and look at the last two points. and he shall rule over you. The instruction of Ephesians 5:22-24 references back to that point of the curse.

Wives are commanded to submit to their husbands in *everything* because they are cursed.

She goes on a "mission trip"

If the husband allowed that, he was derelict in his duty. If he commanded her not to go and she did it anyway, she left him in violation of 1st Cor. 7:10

The wife is not to leave her husband, but if she does, she is to remain single or be reconciled with her husband.

pops out a brown baby

She violated her instruction not to leave her husband and to remain single if she did. Yes, she sinned. The question is whether she will return in repentance and submission to be reconciled with her husband.

and you are expected to be a good beta and pay for it

Look up the meaning of the word "reconcile" because it's perfectly reasonable for a husband to demand as a condition of reconciliation that she put said baby up for adoption. If she refuses, he is not required to be reconciled to her in her rebellion. However, if she is willing to repent of her sin and place herself in submission to him, the husband doesn't have a choice.

The marriage relationship is a type of the relationship between Christ and the church. If a sinner returns to Christ in repentance and confesses his sin, what does 1st John 1:9 say about that? What is the husband commanded to do?

live with your wives in an understanding way, as with a weaker vessel, since she is a woman 1st Peter 3:7

What is it we're supposed to understand about women? That takes us back to the third element of the curse.

"Your desire shall be for your husband..."

That word "desire" is only used two other times in Scripture, once defined as a desire to control and overcome, the other in the sexual sense of desire. Theologians have argued forever as to which one it meant, but an understanding of female hypergamy pulls back the curtain and demonstrates that it's both. She will challenge and test the man to determine his fitness to rule her and if he passes the tests her desire will become physical.

Men are commanded to understand female hypergamy and treat them accordingly as we rule over them. Let her go on a "missions trip" to another country? Husband/father, have you lost your mind? She's weak, her hamster is strong and you have the responsibility to live with her in an understanding manner and hold her accountable.

Anonymous Sylvie December 13, 2015 6:11 PM  

I was thinking about this earlier today re Christian concern trolls. I have a friend who attracts them, due to his debate style. One of them actually came out and accused my friend of debating (as though that were the great sin known as bullying) and told him he should simply voice his concerns rather than snare people in debates. LOL. He told my friend to be a concern troll. I sometimes wonder if this niceness is really just masked cowardice. Or perhaps...apathy? It probably depends on the person.

Blogger OneWingedShark December 13, 2015 6:20 PM  

@66 "> Why do we need people who treat their women as cattle and believe that genital mutilation is an acceptable method to control desire?

And Circumcision? Technically this is male genital mutilation."

But, AFAIK, there is no negative impact on desire from it.

Blogger Phillip George December 13, 2015 6:29 PM  

I guarantee this music will change your opinion of worship music forever.


This music is healing, its also O.T.

1. separation of church and state is killing you.

2. Ask any ex muslim who lived in the middle east unquote. People who have come out of Islam are among the best christian apologists there are - they are an invaluable resource.

3. Discrimination and discernment are synonyms. Discriminating in favour of Jesus is eternal life. Not all gods are equal.

Blogger OneWingedShark December 13, 2015 6:39 PM  

@84 "I guarantee this music will change your opinion of worship music forever."

Thank you for sharing that link. It is indeed a very good song.

Blogger Artisanal Toad December 13, 2015 6:53 PM  

@85 Agree, is a nice song. But "Sons of Korah?" That's kind of like naming your band the "Sons of Amnon" I knew a family that named one of their sons Amnon and I always wondered: what were they thinking?

Anonymous weka December 13, 2015 7:02 PM  

@HausFrau, speaking from the reformed side of the Tiber... I would never turn up and scream at papists during their mass. I'd invite them to our table anyway: it is open (church decision: not my making).

Are we sure that group of "Christian ex-Muslims" is not a false front?

Blogger haus frau December 13, 2015 7:15 PM  

@87 That's what I was thinking. If I was a Muslim and wanted to harass Christians without negative attention to my creed then this tactic would work. I can see no other point in their "outreach" approach.
My dad is Catholic. My mom left Catholicism for evangelical Protestantism and it was not a peaceful event in our household. I take the religious divide seriously but I'm quite certain being Catholic doesn't bar one from salvation. These new converts are making a very odd choice of missionary targets.

Blogger ray December 13, 2015 7:20 PM  

'The videos are taken by the very people passing out the pamphlets and shouting during mass in at least 3 incidents confirmed by police. The Catholic Diocese of Las Vegas confirmed to Action News “multiple disturbances at several of their properties”.'


Whose property? Last I heard, the churches belonged to God. Just like ourselves and everything else. Servants of God do not accumulate property on 'his' behalf.

Mary statues definitely are satanic. Not that most Catholics know what they're actually worshipping, of course. As for the popes, nowdays they aren't satisfied with merely satanic agendas. They have to be globalists, too! And Climate Warming liars.

Let's recap, mooslims in Las Vegas allegedly became Protestants 'cause that's the only way to tell Catholics the (hateful) truth. Makes a kind of twisted modern sense. The desire for vid documention seems a bit contrived and suspicious, tho.

Anonymous My Take # 212 December 13, 2015 7:24 PM  

My mention of female mutilation was not because I have proof of its efficacy, but because I am convinced that anyone who assumes they know best what another person should be, say or believe, and acts on that to the detriment of said person is an evil tyrant. There can be no personal freedom, if anyone can forcefully cause another to submit to a condition they are not willfully in agreement with. This does not always appear to others as forceful persuasion. There are many psychological ways to cause a person (or group) to act in a fashion that is contrary to their own short or long term well being. The rise of feminism in the west (and the subsequent female promiscuity this has permitted) has probably done more harm than 100 million Muslims. Nevertheless, the subject was originally about immigration from Muslim countries and my reasons for not permitting any more to occur.

Blogger Artisanal Toad December 13, 2015 7:31 PM  

If you think about it, muslims converting to Christianity would be expected to be zealous. Far more zealous than ordinary Christians of the west, who have nothing to lose by becoming Christians. Those ex-muslims are considered apostates and under a sentence of death for their belief in Christ.

Consider how easy it is to get a prot-RCC flamewar going between "ordinary" Christians in the west, and their behavior makes perfect sense. This is exactly the same thing they'd do in defense of Islam, they're just doing it in the name of Christ now.

So... go after the Catholics and get yelled at, or do the same thing at a mosque and get shot? Gosh. That's a tough call, seeing as how their new faith doesn't promise any virgins in heaven.

Blogger praetorian December 13, 2015 7:38 PM  

Steve Jobs was the son of a migrant from Syria.

HE CHANGED THE WORLD

Anonymous My Take #212 December 13, 2015 7:44 PM  

I apologize. The post was not about immigration per se, but I was too lazy to go back and confirm what Vox had originally stated.

Blogger praetorian December 13, 2015 7:45 PM  

Mary statues definitely are satanic.

Definitely satanic. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely satanic. One Minute to Wapner!

Blogger haus frau December 13, 2015 8:11 PM  

Whose property? Last I heard, the churches belonged to God.

Right. Because protestant churches aren't owned by institutions either. So anyone can wonder onto church property and interrupt service for any reason and no one has any right to object.. After all, it's owned by God. Let God enforce his property rights.
"Let's recap, mooslims in Las Vegas allegedly became Protestants 'cause that's the only way to tell Catholics the (hateful) truth. "
Whether you are right about Catholic doctrine is irrelevant. Interrupting a service is disrespectful and unnecessarily confrontational. Now I'm not a fan of Mormonism either but I wouldn't expect Mormons to respond to this kind of outreach with anything less than hostility to the messenger and the message. I can't see Catholics being any different. It's a human response. They would be better off handing out flyers and conversing with congregants as they leave the church.
"Consider how easy it is to get a prot-RCC flamewar going between "ordinary" Christians in the west, and their behavior makes perfect sense. This is exactly the same thing they'd do in defense of Islam, they're just doing it in the name of Christ now. "
This makes sense. It does seem to fit their culture either way. The sectarian focus makes sense in light of Muslim culture but is odd when viewed from an evangelical perspective. Obviously, I would consider it far more laudable if they put their energy into converting complete non-Christians. If they are really converts from Islam they would have a lot of Christian street cred when talking to people. It had to be a profound decision.

Blogger rumpole5 December 13, 2015 8:54 PM  

This is not the first time that this deficiency in Christian practice has arisen:

Rev 17:15-16

15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.

16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

I fear that the same fate awaits most of our contemporary lukewarm Christian churches.

Blogger Samuel Nock December 13, 2015 10:06 PM  

For those here positing that the state of the Church is the result of an undue focus on the NT to the neglect of the vengeful OT God, I would say: read the chapter in Cuckservative.

There is some truth to the claim that the OT God is a more overtly masculine, militant authority. But Vox / Red Eagle cite chapter and verse to show that Jesus was no wilting violet:

1. The Good Samaritan idea must be taken in its FULL context: the guy dropped him off at an inn and said "goodbye and good luck."

2. The parable of "taking the children's bread and throwing it to the dogs." Jesus was well aware, and highly critical of, "pathological altruism" (avant la letter). He got _angry_ at this and mocked people for it.

3. Chasing the money changers out of the temple, etc.

Vox / Red Eagle do not say we need more OT. They show that Christians have been misreading, and selectively reading, the NT.

Anonymous Sensei December 13, 2015 10:24 PM  

@Beau

Christmas for all its secular trappings is a great time of openness. We are spreading the Word on this side of the Pacific as well.

Blogger Rabbi B December 13, 2015 10:35 PM  

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Blogger Rabbi B December 13, 2015 10:36 PM  

For those here positing that the state of the Church is the result of an undue focus on the NT to the neglect of the vengeful OT God, I would say: read the chapter in Cuckservative.

There is some truth to the claim that the OT God is a more overtly masculine, militant authority.


I would also add: read the Bible.

Somewhere within its pages it is recorded that He is the the same, yesterday, today and forever, the Father of lights with Whom there is no variation or shadow of turning.

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Blogger Samuel Nock December 13, 2015 10:45 PM  

@100 Ha, good point, Rabbi! He is the same God, but he also _changed less_ than many Christians aver: The OT God is "mean"; the NT God is "nice". Nuh-uh, read the Bible: Jesus could be one badass motherf*cker.

Blogger Rabbi B December 13, 2015 10:50 PM  

@101 Samuel Nock

Yes, and G-d made kind of a big deal about the whole idolatry thing as well. God of the OT and God of the New = two Gods.

But then again, math is hard.

Blogger Cee December 13, 2015 11:06 PM  

@55

Thank you. I came home wanting an awesome version of O Come O Come Emmanuel to listen to and this did not disappoint.

Blogger praetorian December 13, 2015 11:07 PM  

The chapter on Christianity was, indeed, devastating.

I would expect the chapter on free trade to generate more heat here, if a blog post is ever dedicated to it.

Anonymous Reader December 13, 2015 11:38 PM  

My realization from my search for knowledge about God from different belief systems and traditions is that God is not always nice. -:)


The 3 aspects of God are: being the creator, maintainer/preserver and destroyer/transformer.

Blogger Desiderius December 14, 2015 12:20 AM  

"Vox / Red Eagle do not say we need more OT. They show that Christians have been misreading, and selectively reading, the NT."

This.

“But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you lock people out of the kingdom of heaven. For you do not go in yourselves, and when others are going in, you stop them. Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you cross sea and land to make a single convert, and you make the new convert twice as much a child of hell as yourselves.

“Woe to you, blind guides, who say, ‘Whoever swears by the sanctuary is bound by nothing, but whoever swears by the gold of the sanctuary is bound by the oath.’ You blind fools! For which is greater, the gold or the sanctuary that has made the gold sacred? And you say, ‘Whoever swears by the altar is bound by nothing, but whoever swears by the gift that is on the altar is bound by the oath.’ How blind you are! For which is greater, the gift or the altar that makes the gift sacred? So whoever swears by the altar, swears by it and by everything on it; and whoever swears by the sanctuary, swears by it and by the one who dwells in it; and whoever swears by heaven, swears by the throne of God and by the one who is seated upon it.

“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint, dill, and cummin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faith. It is these you ought to have practiced without neglecting the others. You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel!

“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you clean the outside of the cup and of the plate, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence. You blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup, so that the outside also may become clean.

“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs, which on the outside look beautiful, but inside they are full of the bones of the dead and of all kinds of filth. So you also on the outside look righteous to others, but inside you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness.

“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you build the tombs of the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous, 30 and you say, ‘If we had lived in the days of our ancestors, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.’ Thus you testify against yourselves that you are descendants of those who murdered the prophets. Fill up, then, the measure of your ancestors. You snakes, you brood of vipers! How can you escape being sentenced to hell? Therefore I send you prophets, sages, and scribes, some of whom you will kill and crucify, and some you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town, so that upon you may come all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Barachiah, whom you murdered between the sanctuary and the altar. Truly I tell you, all this will come upon this generation."

Blogger Desiderius December 14, 2015 12:30 AM  

"Come to think of it, Trump is pretty much exactly the same thing: the right facts coming out of the wrong mouth."

"As he was now approaching the path down from the Mount of Olives, the whole multitude of the disciples began to praise God joyfully with a loud voice for all the deeds of power that they had seen, saying,

'Blessed is the king
who comes in the name of the Lord!
Peace in heaven,
and glory in the highest heaven!'

Some of the Pharisees in the crowd said to him, 'Teacher, order your disciples to stop.' He answered, 'I tell you, if these were silent, the stones would shout out.'"

Blogger G-S. December 14, 2015 1:14 AM  

This site is ground zero for the whole cuckservative thing. I've always found that those railing the most against something obtuse are those who secretly want to be part of it. The idea that a conservative site like this is against "nice" (normal) conservatives speaks volumes about how niche its audience is. Those seeking to be real cucks are uncommon in the general public. In fact, about as common as this website.

Blogger weka December 14, 2015 1:24 AM  

@106. Correct.
@102: No. There is only one God. Jesus himself dealt with this one -- he was almost stoned in the process.

At that time the Feast of the Dedication took place at Jerusalem; it was winter, and Jesus was walking in the temple in the portico of Solomon. The Jews then gathered around Him, and were saying to Him, "How long will You keep us in suspense? If You are the Christ, tell us plainly." Jesus answered them, "I told you, and you do not believe; the works that I do in My Father's name, these testify of Me. But you do not believe because you are not of My sheep. My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand.
My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand. I and the Father are one."
The Jews picked up stones again to stone Him. Jesus answered them, "I showed you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you stoning Me?" The Jews answered Him, "For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God." Jesus answered them, "Has it not been written in your Law, 'I said, you are gods'? If he called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken), do you say of Him, whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, 'You are blaspheming,' because I said, 'I am the Son of God'?

If I do not do the works of My Father, do not believe Me; but if I do them, though you do not believe Me, believe the works, so that you may know and understand that the Father is in Me, and I in the Father." Therefore they were seeking again to seize Him, and He eluded their grasp.

John 10:22-39.

Christ was truth: and truth ain't nice.

Nice is meh. Nice never pisses anyone off.

Christ angered the religious conservatives of his day, to the point where they conspired to kill him.

Blogger Rabbi B December 14, 2015 1:30 AM  

@102: No. There is only one God. Jesus himself dealt with this one -- he was almost stoned in the process.

That was my point. Shema Israel Adonai Eloheynu Adonai echad. G-d is one. Period. There is no so-called "G-d of the OT" and another "G-d of the NT". G-d is One.

Anonymous Coyotewise December 14, 2015 1:45 AM  

Just posted my review on Amazon. Yeah, the Christianity chapter was the most pertinent in my world lately. I'm very curious to see that reaction.

Blogger Samuel Nock December 14, 2015 2:13 AM  

@110 I get it. My point was that that one God can reveal different aspects of Himself. Those focusing on the NT have argued that this indicates He is showing a kinder, gentler side of himself. Closer reading of NT shows that Jesus / God had not turned over a new leaf, so to speak.

Blogger OneWingedShark December 14, 2015 2:15 AM  

@110 "G-d is one. Period. There is no so-called "G-d of the OT" and another "G-d of the NT". G-d is One."

Upon reflection, I think this is why people seem to get hung up on Jonah, the whole of Jonah culminates essentially with the prophet accusing God:
"“O Lord! Is not this what I said while I was still in my own country? That is why I fled to Tarshish at the beginning; for I knew that you are a gracious God and merciful, slow to anger, and abounding in steadfast love, and ready to relent from punishing. And now, O Lord, please take my life from me, for it is better for me to die than to live.”"

And God ultimately replies:
"And should I not be concerned about Nineveh, that great city, in which there are more than a hundred and twenty thousand persons who do not know their right hand from their left, and also many animals?"

It proves that the God of the New Testament is exactly the same God of the New... moreover, there is the important connection between the Resurrection and Jonah:
"He answered, "A wicked and adulterous generation asks for a sign! But none will be given it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. The men of Nineveh will stand up at the judgment with this generation and condemn it; for they repented at the preaching of Jonah, and now something greater than Jonah is here."

Blogger OneWingedShark December 14, 2015 2:17 AM  

Correction on @113 "It proves that the God of the New Testament is exactly the same God of the New" should end with 'Old [Testament]'.

Blogger Samuel Nock December 14, 2015 2:34 AM  

How did I never notice the Atheist Demotivators on the right side panel before?

That is some serious lulz.

Anonymous TS December 14, 2015 3:21 AM  

"They are essentially emotional hedonists rather than physical ones."

Nice one VD.

Blogger Spencer Rathbun December 14, 2015 7:42 AM  

Emotional hedonism? Oh that's perfect! I've never heard it described that way, but it sums up the attitude of the average "Church Club". A complete moral spinelessness that is at odds with core tenets of the Bible. What is a Christian if they don't see sin in the world? A feel good hippy who wants to cry and have his sky daddy come and make it all better.

Blogger Scott X December 14, 2015 8:44 AM  

Vox, love your books, but when do we go on offense? It seems to me that we are constantly on defense, and SJWAL provides excellent advice for those who are under attack, but is there anything out there talking about how to go on offense? It's about time we selected the target instead of being the target.

Blogger Samuel Nock December 14, 2015 9:20 AM  

@118 Sorry: 'Cuckservative' is _defense_?!?

Second to last chapter of SJWAL is _all_ about taking the fight to them.

Both books have coined rules and terms that have completely put the other side on defense, including the very _titles_ of both books.

Did you not see the reaction of the GOP when they are called cucks!?

Don't know what you're smoking, Scott. Give VDs latest two books another read.

Blogger Gaiseric December 14, 2015 12:03 PM  

A few salient questions for the Churchians to ponder:

I think many need the proverbial slap in the face first, or they won't be amenable to reading those salient questions.

In a recent Cuckian conversation I had; I had to point out that the rhetoric around Saracen immigration in particular was liable to fall prey to a variation on the zebra herd strategy. Sure; we all know that the odds of an attack on Americans is greatly increased. ISIS has flat out claimed that they've infiltrated the "refugee" population. We've seen several attacks in the West in recent months. There's literally no question that our odds of being attacked are greatly increased. However, the odds of YOU PERSONALLY being attacked are still very, very small. Therefore, you don't care. You get to remain self-righteous and smug about your tolerance, while condemning some random American, most likely not you or anyone you know, to death as a direct result of the policies that you support.

So, imagine that the "refugees" you're admitting have stated that their intention is to attack YOU PERSONALLY and your family. Do you still say the same thing? What if you have to—personally, face to face—look them in the eye and tell the widows and widowers, orphans, and bereaved mothers and fathers that their sacrifice was worth it, because hey, you get to feel better about being "tolerant" and that's what America means? Do you still support those same policies then?

Because if not, you're a hypocrite and a coward. You're a back-stabbing traitor, selling out your own people to stroke your emotional hedonism.

Anonymous Flyover Resident January 06, 2016 1:27 AM  

They kill and rape because it is a MANDATORY (jihad is one of the five pillars) part of their religion to kill and rape unbelievers.

I've seen this here before, and gotten tripped up it myself a time or two as well, but jihad is not one of the five pillars of islam. They are: the shahada, or statement of faith; prayer; zakat, or alms to the (muslim)needy; fasting during ramadan; and the hajj, or pilgrimage to Mecca. Jihad is incumbent upon the believer, but not one of the five pillars of faith.

You may now return to your previously scheduled viewing.

Anonymous Flyover Resident January 06, 2016 1:31 AM  

@122

Or, as Scott Adams so succinctly put it: How many dead Americans is it worth to you?

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