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Saturday, December 26, 2015

The Disassociate game

This illustrates why you should never, ever, pay any attention to whatever concerns a moderate brings to your attention, whether he is of the ideological, political, or religious variety. At the same time one concerned Christian was urging me to disassociate from Greg Johnson, Dalrock was being urged to disassociate himself from me:
Dalrock,

I have always wondered why you associate yourself with Vox Day. His brand of “Christianity” seems far from yours. You always seem bring the same message of God’s Truth and Justice tempered by His Mercy that we hear in the Gospels, Epistles and the writings of the Church Fathers. Vox seems to forget the Mercy part, fly through the Truth part, and screech headfirst into the Justice part. Every single time. That, and his ardent support for Norwegian mass-murderer Anders Breivik, make me wonder why you continue to link to him and his writings?

Have a blessed Christmas.

Jim Oglethorpe
Moderates of the Christian variety love to play Christian Police of some sort or another. Sometimes it is Sin Police, sometimes it is Theology Police, sometimes it is Appearance Police. Regardless, their primary concern is looking inoffensive to the world and virtue-signaling their church associates. Any overlap with Christian theology and teachings is mostly coincidental.

And, of course, any failure to take their "obviously important" concerns seriously immediately results in a tantrum. HS has already sent two three more emails today: 
No adult reply. No doubt you're busy.  But...why would I try to fool the unfoolable? Though it is always somewhat gratifying to see an expectation fulfilled.

Oh, hey, the little Gamma keeps seeking attention. I'm shocked.

I have to admit, I am surprised at what a child you really are.

And here I'm not even the least bit surprised to see that you are a petty name-calling Gamma. Give it up, HS. You're not the Christ Police.

Sorry Junior, I don't play video games. Your juvenile name-calling (gamma?) is lost on me. But don't bother informing me. It's pathetic. All I need to know. I can see that I've gotten under your thin skin. But given that you're laughably immature, I feel I'm engaging a 16 year old in this back and forth. And it's gotten to be embarrassing. Take the last word Junior. You know, like an obnoxious child demands.

Why are you still emailing me? Is this some sort of Gamma fangirl thing? Run along now. 
No doubt the non-Christians of the world are awed by these tremendous testimonials for the faith. I would simply encourage them to keep in mind that it is a fundamental logical error to judge the verity of the ism by the idiosyncratic behavior of the individual ist. For many years, that was a real stumbling block for me.

This has nothing to do with HS being a Christian, and everything to do with him being a Gamma.

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Blogger Laramie Hirsch December 26, 2015 8:00 AM  

Again, facepalm.

Sometimes, it seems as though Christian communities would rather cannibalize themselves.

Blogger The Kurgan December 26, 2015 8:02 AM  

Had the same stumbling block. And this made me wonder when I got over it. It was when I realised God loves his warriors too.

Anonymous Scintan December 26, 2015 8:06 AM  

Are people really still running with the theory that HS is legitimately a "Born Again Christian"?

Anonymous 334 December 26, 2015 8:20 AM  

@3.

Yeah, exactly. Having read a number of testimonials from atheists who formerly claimed to be Christian, it is not unlikely there are plenty of SJWs who possess sufficient familiarity with the tropes and language of Christendom to play "divide and conquer".

It is, after all, one of their preferred tactics.

Blogger Samuel Nock December 26, 2015 8:21 AM  

This guy manages to combine Christian cuckservatism ("Vox seems to forget the mercy part") and SJWism ("ardent support for Breivik"; I.e. SJWs always lie) all in one comment.

The tone is very SJW: veiled threats using a tone of superficial friendliness.

VD has never "ardently supported" Breivik. Just fully understood his importance and significance, and noted that he will eventually be remembered as a vanguard of what is inevitably to come.

Anonymous NorthernHamlet December 26, 2015 8:22 AM  

But Vox, this is LOVE from one believer to another.

Incredibly annoying, totally attention-seeking LOVE.

Anonymous 334 December 26, 2015 8:37 AM  

This just doesn't seem like the way any Christians I know usually proceed. (Pseudo-religious busybodies, maybe.)

When you don't like what you read online, you always have the option to stop reading. It seems excessive to try to work Dalrock to disqualify Vox.

Although, really, whether Oglethorpe is Churchian, cuck or SJW is immaterial: he's the enemy.

Are Oglethorpe and HS definitely two different people?

OpenID RambleAround December 26, 2015 8:41 AM  

Is it a gamma tell that the majority of his sentences are short as all fuck? At the very least it makes his emails sound like so much vomit spewing. HS is a dbag

Blogger Student in Blue December 26, 2015 8:48 AM  

@8. RambleAround
Is it a gamma tell that the majority of his sentences are short as all fuck?

Quite possibly. I remember when I was knee-deep in Gamma, I would use the short choppy sentences to try and gain attention, because it seemed "serious" and "attention-getting". Impactful, in other words.

Now that I've grown out of innumerous Gamma tendencies, I find myself making the desired changes of tone via word selection instead of sentence length.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan December 26, 2015 8:54 AM  

They're authoritarians find their authority and nuke it

Anonymous 334 December 26, 2015 9:03 AM  

"You always seem bring the same message of God’s Truth and Justice tempered by His Mercy that we hear in the Gospels, Epistles and the writings of the Church Fathers."

This line just reeks of dishonesty.

And now that I think about it, Oglethorpe doesn't sound all that familiar with Dalrock, who can certainly sling it when he gets worked up.

Blogger Lovekraft December 26, 2015 9:13 AM  

Dalrock is an excellent source of truth in this upside-down society. He provides solid arguments, backed by data, against moral relativism, feminism and biased media. A recommended site for sure.

I also question this person stating Vox 'ardently supports' Brevik. Coming from someone who likely 'ardently supports' pedophilia as long as it fits the progressive narrative, I am not sure what this means.

Brevik may be legally in the wrong, and maybe even morally, but for someone like me who delves deeper into societal pressure, I am in no way surprised he took this course of action. What is pathetic is how the left never reflects upon how and why Breviks are created, and instead double down - more immigration from Muslamia, feminism etc.

Blogger Kentucky Packrat December 26, 2015 9:24 AM  

SJWs have an inherent inability to distinguish between what a person thinks will happen and what they want to happen. I finally realized this when talking with my daughter (teenage girls are natural SJWs; fortunately she is getting better already). I was telling her that the number of Muslim "immigrants" to Europe would end in a bloodbath, and she got that "you support Hitler" look.

SJWs have so rejected our reality and substituted their own that saying something exists is tantamount to saying that you want it to happen.

Remembering this makes "debate" easier, and is a useful tactic (use it on them first).

Anonymous rb December 26, 2015 9:29 AM  

"it is a fundamental logical error to judge the verity of the ism by the idiosyncratic behavior of the individual ist"

This is inconsistent with your earlier statements to the effect that one need know nothing about climate science, only observing the actions of the global warming proponents, to know that AGW is a farce. Maybe I misunderstood.

Anonymous 334 December 26, 2015 9:37 AM  

@14.

"Idiosyncratic" is different from "fraudulent".

Anonymous Mr. Rational December 26, 2015 10:18 AM  

@8 Verbosity is a gamma tell.  Terseness is a gamma tell.  Everything is a gamma tell, meaning nothing is.

Anonymous Mr. Rational December 26, 2015 10:34 AM  

Hmph.  Censored again.

@15 Social-science culture researcher Jussim critiques the leftist bias of the field, and the article notes "One area of stereotyping which is consistently found to be inaccurate are the stereotypes concerning political affiliation; right-wingers and left wingers tend to caricature each others personalities, most often negatively so."  If you can't impeach someone's data, you can always go ad-hominem on them.

It is painfully obvious to anyone with a shred of knowledge of how the atmosphere works that doubling the concentration of CO2 is going to increase the altitude at which IR in the CO2 absorption bands can escape to space by roughly 17,000 feet.  This is a simple matter of physics.  This means a higher tropopause, a smaller stratosphere and a deeper convective zone in which temperature falls with increasing altitude.  I would love to see someone prove to me that this is not so, showing me the specific physics effects which counteract the IR opacity.  No one has ever even tried; it is all hand-waving.

Blogger VD December 26, 2015 10:37 AM  

This is inconsistent with your earlier statements to the effect that one need know nothing about climate science, only observing the actions of the global warming proponents, to know that AGW is a farce.

One is not most.

Blogger VD December 26, 2015 10:38 AM  

Hmph. Censored again.

Don't whine. I told you what would happen when you responded to trolls. You didn't listen. Now you're paying the price, thanks to Google's spamming algorithms.

Blogger VD December 26, 2015 10:41 AM  

Verbosity is a gamma tell. Terseness is a gamma tell. Everything is a gamma tell, meaning nothing is.

See, this would have been better off spammed. It's ridiculous. If you can't tell HS is Gamma from those FIVE emails, you are either a) neurologically atypical, b) sub-100 IQ, or c) in denial.

Anonymous Credo in Unum Deum December 26, 2015 10:41 AM  

VD, you may be very smart in some respects, but at the end of the day you are NOT a Christian. You deny the Trinity. You deny the Divinity of Our Lord Jesus Christ, you are NOT a Christian.

You stand in opposition of 2000 years of teaching on Jesus Christ. You stand against the following: All the Apostles who died for their Lord, St. Ignatius of Antioch (a disciple of St. John) who taught about the Real Presence of Our Lord in the Eucharist and died for our Lord, St. Augustine, St. Jerome, Sts. Perpetua and Felicity, you stand in opposition to the martyrs who spilled their blood for Our Lord, you stand in opposition to those brave martyrs on that Libyan beach who were beheaded recently, St. Maximillian Kolbe who died alone in a Concentration Camp after taking the place of an innocent man, you stand in opposition to the brilliant St. Thomas Aquinas... The list can go on and on.

You are betting that ALL of those people are wrong, and you, alone, are right. You are gambling with your eternal soul here. This is the one thing you don't want to be wrong about.

Words MUST mean things. The word "Christian" has a definition, it has had that definition for going on 2000 years. You do not fit that definition. You are no more a "Christian" than a gay marriage is a "marriage". Nothing you say or do will change that reality.

Blogger Were-Puppy December 26, 2015 10:42 AM  

I don't know of these various characters, other than VD and I remember Greg Johnson interviewed him.

So I am left applying some lessons from SJWAL to see what is going on.

It looks like a weak sauce attempt at point and shriek with an appeal to authority included.

The danger signs are there for anyone to see.

Anonymous Eric the Red December 26, 2015 10:43 AM  

When morality is subjective, the only way left for someone to judge anything is by their emotions. If it feelzgood, then it must be moral, it must be good. If the results of a feelzgood decision don't actually work in the real world, then reality is filtered out accordingly.

Like a square peg into a round hole, the world and its inhabitants are forced to conform to feelzgood/feelzbad.

Blogger VD December 26, 2015 10:46 AM  

Credo in Unum Deum, you have been repeatedly spammed for lying. Stop trying to post here. Your false claims about my disbelief in the divinity of Jesus Christ have been repeatedly refuted by me and others.

You are bearing false witness and you are not welcome here.

Anonymous Thought Police First Responder December 26, 2015 10:50 AM  

Geez, Vox. You clearly aren't Christian enough. You need to engage in an Auto da Fe!

I am not quite a subscriber to the SMV hypothesis yet, but folks like @21 and HS give me pause.

Blogger VD December 26, 2015 10:53 AM  

I am not quite a subscriber to the SMV hypothesis yet, but folks like @21 and HS give me pause.

Have you read SJWAL? That should suffice to convince you. The similar behavior observed in unrelated cases from SF to science is remarkable.

Anonymous Thought Police First Responder December 26, 2015 10:54 AM  

Were-pup, just wanted to clarify but my @24 comment wasn't directed to you, but to Credo in Unum Deum's deleted spam.

Blogger Dexter December 26, 2015 10:58 AM  

Because I believe in Truth, I am going to call Vox an ardent supporter of Breivik!

Because I believe in justice and mercy, I am going to attack him in an internet comment section and try to get other people to ostracize him!

Praise Jesus!

Blogger S1AL December 26, 2015 11:01 AM  

Just remember that there's a difference between a low delta and a gamma, even if their SMV's don't vary by much.

Blogger Bard December 26, 2015 11:06 AM  

Born again...can't quite hold his head up yet or even roll over. Still shits in his own pants. Can't eat a solid cheerio as he has no teeth. Mouth is flapping, but only gibberish is heard. Takes time and wisdom to temper the zeal of the new believer. Then again, some never grow and some were idiots before conversion.

Anonymous Thought Police First Responder December 26, 2015 11:06 AM  

Vox, I think the SMV is excellent to explain a lot of the behavior I see here in the US. But I'm an immigrant from a certain South American Portuguese speaking country, and the SMV stuff doesn't quite fit my experience growing up there. A large number of the sexual alphas were social gammas (i.e., winners in Game but sore losers in life).

My view is that gammas are mentally damaged people enough to not know their place, and that their failing with woman and subsequent obsession is just an accidental aspect of them being damaged. In Brazil, even damaged people can get laid, so it doesn't make them neurotic. But I can't imagine a person like HS being able to get laid there.

Anonymous Lukas Brunnor December 26, 2015 11:25 AM  

When the Great Tribulation occurs, I wonder if it will be the Churchians who are sorted out and quenched with fire. Chaf is an apt description of them no? Though tangentially related to the wheat, they offer no sustenance, they are easily carried away in whatever direction the wind happens to be blowing, and their only purpose seems to be that they are easily burned, as it makes an example out of their false brand of Christianity.

Anonymous Ain December 26, 2015 11:51 AM  

He's an instigator and a gossip. You will know them by their fruits.

Blogger praetorian December 26, 2015 11:53 AM  

Every single time.

JIDF shill freudian slip? (trollface)

The turning of McCarthyism into a bad word in america was one of the greatest tactical victories of the left, because it allowed them to attack people attacking the far left without explicitly agreeing with them. This let them follow Vox's dictum of cherishing our radicals, but stay within the bounds of polite society so they weren't painted as commie crazies.

Perhaps over time "SJW" or some related concept will become the Right's counter-attack, although I have a hard time seeing it from here. Maybe we need a left-wing driven purge to crystalize it. One possible action that I can think of would be a Hillary administration going after the catholic church on marriage and abortion: that would red-pill the shit out of a huge number of people and hopefully give us a face to personalize the attack with.

Blogger praetorian December 26, 2015 11:55 AM  

Every single time.

JIDF shill freudian slip? (trollface)

The turning of McCarthyism into a bad word in america was one of the greatest tactical victories of the left, because it allowed them to attack people attacking the far left without explicitly agreeing with them. This let them follow Vox's dictum of cherishing our radicals, but stay within the bounds of polite society so they weren't painted as commie crazies.

Perhaps over time "SJW" or some related concept will become the Right's counter-attack, although I have a hard time seeing it from here. Maybe we need a left-wing driven purge to crystalize it. One possible action that I can think of would be a Hillary administration going after the catholic church on marriage and abortion: that would red-pill the shit out of a huge number of people and hopefully give us a face to personalize the attack with.

Blogger FP December 26, 2015 12:05 PM  

"See, this would have been better off spammed. It's ridiculous. If you can't tell HS is Gamma from those FIVE emails, you are either a) neurologically atypical, b) sub-100 IQ, or c) in denial."

But, but... someone is wrong on the internets! One more email will prove them wrong!

HS is a sleever. He wears his supposed born again Christianity on his sleeve like a vegan, tumblr tranny pride person type would (any sjw). Then gets offended when criticized in any way for it.

Blogger LP999 DUNE no Doom December 26, 2015 12:55 PM  

What an annoyance. This is Christmas!

HS and Oglethorpe's of past tried and failed, nothing is new.

Blogger Peter December 26, 2015 1:26 PM  

Well . . . speaking as a retired (but still active) pastor, I can only say that in my e-mail and telephone conversations with Vox, he's been the soul of courtesy and good manners. I like the man. We've even wished each other God's blessings this Christmas season.

If that makes me somehow the wrong kind of Christian (is there such a thing as wrong-pastor???), so be it.

God bless you, Vox. Fight the good fight. (Note that I don't say how to fight it. You do it your way, I'll do it my way. By God's grace we'll hopefully end up in the right place!)

OpenID Jack Amok December 26, 2015 1:32 PM  

My view is that gammas are mentally damaged people enough to not know their place, and that their failing with woman and subsequent obsession is just an accidental aspect of them being damaged.

More or less in-line with my theory that Gammas are men who's brains didn't (or haven't yet, in the hope it is a curable condition) develop masculine thought patterns. They default to female thinking and behavior (solipsism, expectations not to be held accountable for actions, problem solving technique is to complain until someone else deals with the problem, etc.). They may have other attractive attributes, but they do poorly with women because they don't act like men.

And to tie gammatude=female thinking back to "This has nothing to do with HS being a Christian, and everything to do with him being a Gamma", I'll point out the "Christian Temperence" movement was driven by women (and ugly ones at that). It's to do with womanish thinkers seeing men doing things and frantically trying to exert some sort of control over the men.

The proper response from a man is "ask nice and bear my kids, and I'll think about it."

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 December 26, 2015 1:44 PM  

The funny thing is, Dalrock himself doesn't talk much about anything other than marriage and the modern Christian attitude toward it.

For all we know, Dalrock could be even more extreme than VD in his own politics and social attitudes.

Blogger Cecil Henry December 26, 2015 1:50 PM  

I'm starting to believe that some Christian SJW and altruism is nothing but self worship with Christ as a Letterhead.


Some Christians act as if they believe they can BE Christ, and have his authority BY putting themselves on the cross for all to see.

And that is anti-Christian, and quite a different motivation than they realize.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 December 26, 2015 1:51 PM  

Gammas are simply men who paid too much attention in gov't skools and listened to women when asking for dating advice.

Their thinking patterns become obvious when you understand this.

OpenID Jack Amok December 26, 2015 2:18 PM  

Some Christians act as if they believe they can BE Christ, and have his authority BY putting themselves on the cross for all to see.

Gammas do think they are secret Alphas. They probably figure they could do a better job than some guy who got his position through nepotism - Dad's influence you know.

Blogger RobertT December 26, 2015 4:26 PM  

"Moderates of the Christian variety love to play Christian Police of some sort or another."

Ah yes. Perhaps they are gammas, but there's a message in here somewhere about the overall church. Although I was raised in the church, I din't hear the plan of salvation until I was 30. As a young college student I finally gave up on the church when, at my 16 y/o brother's funeral the pastor of that church chided the enormous crowd that attended, not to harbor any hard feelings about electricity. It was the stupidest thing i ever heard. Ever since I'm not sure which was the hardest to bear, my brother's death or the fact the pastor brushed right over it as irrelevant to his larger cause. For years after I thought the Christian church was completely and thoroughly irrelevant. Fortunately I was saved, hopefully without my knowledge my brother was too, but after years of attending church, I've returned to my original opinion. The organized Christian church is basically irrelevant. At least in the U.S., and at the very least, there's a ton of difference between the organized church and the actual church.

Here's an example I use from time to time: I attended four Sundays in a row at a local megachurch without hearing the name of God or Jesus a single time. Not in a prayer, not in a sermon, not in a song, not at all.

Blogger SciVo December 26, 2015 4:40 PM  

Mr. Rational @16: Verbosity is a gamma tell. Terseness is a gamma tell. Everything is a gamma tell, meaning nothing is.

Think of it in terms of musicality vs. effectiveness vs. emotionality. John Wright uses more and larger words than he needs to because of his love of language and ear for the euphonious. VD writes briefly for effectiveness, so that people with smaller buffers can grasp the point.

The gamma has logorrhea because he doesn't know how to order his thoughts, doesn't know when to stop, and can't tell that no else would give a damn about them anyway.

[insert three paragraphs trying to expand on all those points and relate them all back to me, except there's a weird tangent about how M:TG players are worse than bronies and it all goes downhill from there]

Then the gamma gets staccato. Because he's all worked up.

It's really the rambling egotism or angry sentence fragments that are gamma tells, not length or brevity per se. Hope that helps.

Anonymous Mr. Rational December 26, 2015 4:55 PM  

@44 I was being sarcastic, but also aiming a little fun at the idea that both something and its opposite could imply the same thing (sort of a Kafkatrap).

Tautologies are either trivial or pathological (my reaction to the Randroid "A is A" mantra was always "yeah, so what?").

Blogger Rabbi B December 26, 2015 6:55 PM  

"Why are you still emailing me? Is this some sort of Gamma fangirl thing? Run along now."

Yes, indeed. He should heed his own advice and stop associating himself with you by email, whereby he indirectly associates himself with any other various and sundry unsavory characters of disrepute by whom he may become contaminated and defiled to his everlasting shame and chagrin.

He sounds like the male version of GG who used to grace this blog with her inimitable presence every so often. Another Gamma busybody with nothing better to do.

Blogger Were-Puppy December 26, 2015 7:22 PM  

@36 LP999 DUNE no Doom

What an annoyance. This is Christmas!
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Yep. I've been observing angry smug athiests try and ruin peoples celebrations. Suppose we should only expect it from the Christian version of SJWS - the parallels of WRONGFANS and WRONGFUN - seems such a familiar tune. Like a bad remake of the original :P

Blogger Were-Puppy December 26, 2015 7:26 PM  

@38 Jack Amok

The proper response from a man is "ask nice and bear my kids, and I'll think about it."

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Reminds me of when some unknown woman is attempting to chew me out. I can say something like "Thank God we aren't married and I don't have to listen to this ****."

Works every time or sets the hamster wheel violently spinning :P

Blogger Were-Puppy December 26, 2015 7:29 PM  

@43 RobertT

Here's an example I use from time to time: I attended four Sundays in a row at a local megachurch without hearing the name of God or Jesus a single time. Not in a prayer, not in a sermon, not in a song, not at all.
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That is hard for me to fathom. Sounds more like a big fat social club than an actual church.

Anonymous Greg December 26, 2015 7:38 PM  

Most moderates are crypto-Leftists.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY December 26, 2015 8:29 PM  

Lots of churches, especially the "Megas" are "GOD CLUBS ". It's the place you go to feel good about yourself,(The part that " all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God " just makes people feel uncomfortable,you know.) Rock concerts
( ever hear " The Old Rugged Cross " in one ?)
Pop psychology jibber-jabber,(forget the gospels, that's old stuff. Read this purpose- driven drivel instead ) It's kinda of place to go witness the "falling away " spoken of in the scriptures first hand.

Blogger Rabbi B December 26, 2015 9:31 PM  

"Why are you still emailing me? Is this some sort of Gamma fangirl thing? Run along now."

Yes, indeed. He should heed his own advice and stop associating himself with you by email, whereby he indirectly associates himself with any other various and sundry unsavory characters of disrepute by whom he may become contaminated and defiled to his everlasting shame and chagrin.

He sounds like the male version of GG who used to grace this blog with her inimitable presence every so often. Another Gamma busybody with nothing better to do.

Blogger Neanderserk December 26, 2015 10:19 PM  

"In Brazil, even damaged people can get laid, so it doesn't make them neurotic. But I can't imagine a person like HS being able to get laid there."

Perhaps Voxian archetypal gamma exists primarily where white Neanderthal DNA is present?

Even the Asian gamma (in Asia) seems a somewhat different flavor... it's the addition of toxic ingenopathy to the brew. Not sure though.

Anonymous Quartermaster December 26, 2015 10:23 PM  

@43
“At least in the U.S., and at the very least, there's a ton of difference between the organized church and the actual church. “

It has always been thus. Wheat and tares have always been completely intermixed.

Anonymous John Scalzi's Inefficient Cognitive Neural Network December 26, 2015 11:16 PM  

Then the gamma gets staccato. Because he's all worked up.

I do not. At least not all the time.

Besides I have more viewers than Vox.

And my yard is bigger, but I don't care.

Blogger LP999 DUNE no Doom December 27, 2015 12:10 AM  

47 Therein is my gripe, we are not allowed to speak, debate, dissent, have money, a place to live - we are not allowed to have anything and now we cannot celebrate Christmas due to a few malcontents. This is absurd, all absurd. Our poor host didn't do or say anything wrong to receive such insults AT CHRISTMAS or at all!

3 posts dedicated to the hilarity of HS at Vox's cost is wrong. One more problem and I am asking for the email address. And it wont be pretty, HS is going to live May 2015 for a long time.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY December 27, 2015 5:13 AM  

You don't have to apologize to an eskimo for nothin' , period.

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