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Tuesday, December 22, 2015

The Farce Awakens

A reader posts a scathing review of the new SJW Wars episode at Alpha Game:
You’ll be glad you didn’t see Star Wars VII: The Farce Awakens. The glaring questions it begs are projections of the female imperative. Darth Vader, Luke, Kylo Ren, Obi Wan Kenobi, and all other force using experts in any previous Star Wars story, needed training based on years of apprenticeship with a 24/7 mentor to master the force. The entire premise of Jedi powers, like all martial skills, is that they must being “learned” and they develop over time with practice. Our heroine Rey, hinted heavily as being Luke’s daughter, instantly and without training or foreknowledge gets abilities with the force that took all other Jedi, Sith, decades to develop. So with no Jedi’s around, how does she even know the force can control weak-minded storm troopers, much less use the old “you don’t need to see his papers” shtick.
There is more, and none of it is good. The usual spoiler warnings apply, although the review doesn't so much contain spoilers as it calls into question the core conceit of the film.

It occurs to me that there is probably a market for books, and even films, that "continue" the story of SJW-infested properties in a traditionalist manner. What should the Star Wars prequels have looked like? How should the post-Jedi story actually proceeded?

I shall have to think on this further... about Star Lords battling for power in a galaxy far, far away.

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Anonymous karsten December 22, 2015 1:00 PM  

This is, without exaggeration, the most perceptive thing that anyone has yet written about this flat-out SJW propaganda piece:

"The Farce Awakens gives girls what they want, superiority to men in all things without having to put in the effort men put in to be the best they can be."

Exactly.

Anonymous ODG December 22, 2015 1:03 PM  

Yes, please, someone "fix" what they've done to Star Wars. I just got done watching the youtube videos "What if Star Wars Episode I,II,III Was Good?", and he's definitely on to something there.

If Lucas et al weren't all about toy selling and political grandstanding, they might have been able to make a good story. I had no plans to see Episode VII anyway, after the farce of Eps. I, II, and III, and not trusting the current owners of the property to make anything decent with it. It sounds as if my reservations were wise.

I would love to see what a good writer with a realistic and consistent worldview could make of the story.

Blogger Timmy3 December 22, 2015 1:05 PM  

I don't see the point of wasting one second on this for it is just a bitch fest. I will still watch the movie for it will be an enjoyable 2 hours. Forget about logic. Thats where you write your own books that makes sense.

Anonymous Grime Knight December 22, 2015 1:10 PM  

@3 - Definitely. If the majority of the films is crap, then there's no point salvaging the franchise. Just do a "spiritual successor" and knock it out of the park.

And if anyone's interested, Belated Media's got their take on how the prequels could've been rewritten to be...you know...good.

Blogger VD December 22, 2015 1:11 PM  

I will still watch the movie for it will be an enjoyable 2 hours.

I won't. Because it won't be.

Blogger dh December 22, 2015 1:12 PM  

The writers and produces are unable to deal with the fact that the universe as started in the original two movies only had a small number of Jedi. It was useful for making two movies - all the Jedi are gone, excepting Vader, Emperor, Yoda, and Obi-Wan. Skywalker has the potential but not the training.

Everything since - whether prequels or sequels - is trying to undo the basic premise that training must be started as a young child, and takes a life-time of apprenticeship to master the arts and realize your potential. Yoda tells Obi-Wan's ghost that Skywalker is too old to be trained. And Luke's minimal training in the swamp is testament to the fact that raw potential is no match for training.

I haven't nor will I see the new movie. The prequel's went to stupid lengths to explain the Force, which nearly destroyed it.

The original vision of the Force was an ancient religion, mastered after a lifetime of monk-like study and discipline. That's an interesting basis for a story. Now, they've successfully turned the force into a Superman STD.

Anonymous Nathan December 22, 2015 1:12 PM  

There's more to complain about with the movie, from the smallness of space to a lack of understanding of thermodynamics, to the realization that J.J. Abrams can only film fanfiction copies of earlier films. But they got the feel of the first movie right, which is just enough to distract from the fact that the gold in movie is actually pyrite...

I'm waiting for more "What's a Nubian?" and "Star Wars is racist" rants, though. From Lando to Finn is quite a far fall.

Blogger Gaiseric December 22, 2015 1:12 PM  

That review is just a bunch of overwrought butthurt. Yeah, so he doesn't like stories about prodigies, because they aren't "realistic" enough. Whatever. And he extrapolated from that some kind of red pill culture wars schwerpunkt. It's really not.

I was very skeptical of the concept of what looked like Diversity™ Star Wars, but it didn't end up ruining the franchise (yet) after all. It wasn't brilliant, but the characters were more engaging and charismatic on screen than I thought that they would be.

That said, the "Star Lords" concept might not be a bad one, especially if it does a better job than the actual movies did of recalling the serial/pulp influences that Lucas was originally trying to recapture in the first place. Dennis McKiernan basically made a career out of doing the exact same thing with Lord of the Rings; he wrote an entire freaking trilogy of clearly and obviously LotR knock-offs, just so he could write his own sequels to it.

Anonymous grey enlightenment December 22, 2015 1:14 PM  

i'll wait till it comes out on vhs

Anonymous smedley butler December 22, 2015 1:15 PM  

"It occurs to me that there is probably a market for books, and even films, that "continue" the story of SJW-infested properties in a traditionalist manner. What should the Star Wars prequels have looked like?"

Paging Christopher Nolan.

Anonymous karsten December 22, 2015 1:19 PM  

"it didn't end up ruining the franchise (yet) after all. It wasn't brilliant, but the characters were more engaging and charismatic on screen than I thought that they would be."

You are so cucked.

The female lead was such a textbook SJW feminist that a team of Tumblr womyn couldn't have made her more politically correct.

If anything, the review understates the Cultural-Marxist brainwashing in this propaganda piece.

Anonymous Meatwad December 22, 2015 1:28 PM  

I saw it. Entertaining enough, but I won't pay to see it again in theatres or do more than rent or watch on TV when that time comes.

The woman didn't bother me (although the AlphaGame reviewer is correct that it was lame she knew all these force powers immediately on her own). The story wasn't her fault though and she did a pretty good job in the role. The dindu, however, was almost as annoying as Jar-Jar Binks. Terrible acting, terrible character... worst part of the movie.

Anonymous aeou December 22, 2015 1:29 PM  

Saw it a few days back it was decent. Felt like star wars in a way the previous three movies didn't. The black dude was not as annoying as I thought he would be but the girl was very grrrlpower. The animatronics were nice and the cgi was good. Worth the price of admission.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr December 22, 2015 1:29 PM  

OK, I'll play...

You don't do the prequels at all. It's too hard to get the plot lines to mesh up. If you INSIST on prequels, general plot line is as follows:

1. Clone Wars are being waged. Obi-Wan Kenobi is recruiting in the Outer Rim, recruits Anakin Skywalker. Skywalker is ~18-20.

2. Skywalker has Force talents, can be trained as a Jedi. Obi-Wan insists on training him. Yoda has misgivings...Skywalker is young, fearless, and in a hurry.

3. Clone Wars turn out to be organized by the Sith Order...anti-Jedi using the Dark Side. Their leadership structure is unknown.

4. Skywalker is noticed by Palpatine...who is secretly the top-ranking Sith. He persuades Skywalker that the Jedi are holding him back, works on his anger.

5. Skywalker betrays the Jedi. Massive Jedi-Sith fight, heavy losses on both sides. Sith win. Skywalker injured, becomes Lord Vader.

Blogger Gaiseric December 22, 2015 1:30 PM  

Hey, karsten... you're just butthurt because the obvious Nazi analogs were portrayed as the villains again, instead of the noble, traditional defenders of virtuous German culture that you imagine them to be.

No, the female lead was a very typical swashbuckling type hero who just happened to be a woman, due to Kennedy's (and our culture in general's) acceptance of the nonsense that a woman is equivalent to a man. If the character were a man, you'd be raving about how great it was that Abrams was able to ignore decades of indoctrination, and how he hearkened back to classic, archetypal heroes of the pulps from the 30s and 40s.

Unlike you, I've seen this particular fetish in the genre enough that I've gotten somewhat used to it, and that it is insufficient by itself to ruin an otherwise good story for me. I just roll my eyes, tell my kids how silly it is, and then move on.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan December 22, 2015 1:31 PM  

I second the Nolan notion

Blogger exfarmkid December 22, 2015 1:38 PM  

VD, even if you have a moment of weakness, do not let your kids talk you into seeing it. Your brain will leak from your ears. There will be mental scarring. (Although a shot of Evan Williams seemed to help afterward.)

I went in with low expectations. The movie did not even meet that level. It was fucking awful.

So for God's sake man, don't do it!!!

Blogger Eric Castle December 22, 2015 1:42 PM  

Other than the fact it fast forwarded some time (but so has Ep. 7 so whatever) I remembered enjoying the Timothy Zahn trilogy. After that many of the EU books become derivative and terrible.

One could not actually make films of those now, at least not with the same actors. But if they are planning to ruin Han with a "early adventures" film, new actors are coming anyway.

Anonymous FriarBob December 22, 2015 1:42 PM  

I saw it. It was episode IV with an SJW facelift/botox injection.

There was exactly ONE thing they got completely right, and it was almost certainly pure accident. But they did portray both badguy and whatshername as untrained. And when they were fighting, pure physical ability against pure physical ability, the male was winning. Which is realistic. Once she tapped into the Force and he failed to do it, only then did the tables turn.

But I'm certain it was also a pure accident. The fact that reality happened to match up with a good, tense screenplay was just sheer happenstance.

Blogger Cinco December 22, 2015 1:43 PM  

Everything since - whether prequels or sequels - is trying to undo the basic premise that training must be started as a young child, and takes a life-time of apprenticeship to master the arts and realize your potential.

I have yet to see the movie; however, if Disney did not include a children's Jedi Academy, it really speaks to their incompetence. It really could have been Harry Potter for boys.

Blogger VD December 22, 2015 1:47 PM  

So for God's sake man, don't do it!!!

No worries. I have not seen a Star Wars film of any kind since the night The Phantom Menace opened.

Blogger S1AL December 22, 2015 1:49 PM  

Definitely would have been better to do the Thrawn trilogy.

Blogger Randy M December 22, 2015 1:51 PM  

Ha, no, please just give me the AoD&L series already. Cut it down to two if your interest is waning.

Blogger Danby December 22, 2015 1:52 PM  

@14 Napoleon
have to disagree in one thing. Anakin has to be betrayed. That was the reason the prequels lacked emotional reality. Nobody just sort of up and turns his back on his in-group without motivation.
Anakin has to be betrayed, on a massive scale, by someone who represents the Jedi order in his mind, either Yoda or Obi-Wan.
Without that,the whole devolution to evil rings false.

Blogger Nate December 22, 2015 1:55 PM  

Vox... This is fucking retarded. I've seen it. Its good. Anyone pretending that Leia wasn't a Feminist SuperGirl in New Hope is an idiot that's to stupid to be bothered with.

Leia was portrayed as one of the most badass characters in the whole series... consistently. She may have been first main stream Man With Tits.

Its better than Jedi... not as good as Empire or New Hope.

It feels like New Hope though. The use of models rather than stict CGI. There is no idiotic Jar Jar character. And black guy "hero" isn't heroic at all. In fact he's trying like hell to run away.

Yes... it has lots of women and yellow and brown people in the cast. Yes... Rae is Super Girl. However it isn't her magic vagina that makes her Super Girl. There is a very good explanation for why she is Super Girl.

Blogger Mr. Buford December 22, 2015 1:55 PM  

While watching it, I kept saying to myself, 'welcome here again.' I had low expectations considering JJ Abrams was directing, he recycles movies he does not create anything new and he continues to do so in this latest SW movie.

Based on this movie, the series is nothing more than a soap opera about the Skywalker clan. Thirty years have passed and they are still a bunch of dysfunctional head cases with magic powers and a significant genetic disorder. It is clear that all Skywalker males have a dominant whiny gene, and a recessive petulant teen-angst gene that skips generations. Anakin had this recessive trait in abundance, and so does his grandson.

Additionally, the characters have become a reflection of the times. When we first met Han, Luke and Leia they had a scrappy, can-do, old-fashioned hero personalities. This iteration, both old and new characters, are self-absorbed, fragile snow flakes, with the exception of one fellow, who when adversity hits them, literally run away or do everything they can to dodge their responsibilities and deal with problems head-on. The Force Awakens is a disappointment, not of the scale of SW movies 1,2 and 3. Merely, it is a pathetic, pale shadow of what was thirty years ago.

Anonymous WinstonWebb December 22, 2015 1:58 PM  

I have not seen a Star Wars film of any kind since the night The Phantom Menace opened.

Then you owe it to yourself to rewatch Star Wars and Empire. 16 years is too long without The Force.

Blogger Nate December 22, 2015 1:59 PM  

And by the way... all the fuming about the Chick Storm Trooper Captain Phasma?

Did any stop to the think that the whole plot hinges on Phasma screwing up?

StarKiller base is destroyed... and every bit of it the blame falls on Phasma.

Blogger Nate December 22, 2015 2:01 PM  

"Based on this movie, the series is nothing more than a soap opera about the Skywalker clan. Thirty years have passed and they are still a bunch of dysfunctional head cases with magic powers and a significant genetic disorder"

It does make you wonder how much grief a galaxy could've been spared if it just had eradicated this one family.

Anonymous Roundtine December 22, 2015 2:03 PM  

The breakdown of the Galactic Senate is pretty accurate. Anakin's rise similar, except the "balancing of the force" is more explicit. The Jedi have become decadent and engage in intrigues, overthrowing governments on various planets to maintain the power of the Jedi council. Many Jedi do not want Anakin trained and plot to kill him. Obi-Wan and others believe Anakin will restore the Jedi (like a reform movement.)

The Emperor is a villain. He sees the failures of the Jedi and the Senate and sees an opening. Vader is turned to the "Dark Side" (Jedi propaganda) mainly as the movies showed: Vader was twisted by the Emperor who lied about the death of his pregnant wife.

Vader is out of the Emperor's control once he learns he is a father. He doesn't know about Leia, she is hidden and Emperor clouds his mind, but the force is too strong in Luke. (Or right before he kills Obi-Wan, Obi-Wan tells him: your son lives.) Vader can kill Luke during the raid on the Death Star, but he pulls away sensing it is his son.

The Emperor forsees Luke overthrowing the Emperor and Vader becomes obsessed with this vision. He realizes the Emperor lied to him and now seeks to remove the despotic Emperor and replacing him with his son, who was also trained under Obi-Wan. Vader will use Luke to replace the Emperor just as Obi-Wan trained Anakin to reform the Jedi council. Vader is caught between two goals: restoring order to the galaxy and saving his son. At the end of his life, he chooses his son over the galaxy.

Years after the death of Vader and the Emperor, the galaxy is in disarray. The Empire is led by various warlords, chaos of a greater form has returned and a new Senate is even more dysfunctional than the old one. Luke becomes disillusioned with it all and returns home. After seeing children burned alive by criminal gangs, it evokes a flashback to the burning of his aunt and uncle by the Storm troopers. At that moment, Luke realizes his father was right. He sets out to restore the Empire as his father wished.

Blogger Danby December 22, 2015 2:05 PM  

To extend a bit.

From a story-telling perspective, the real baddies have to be the good guys in their own mind. Anakin seems to have just decided to be the bad guy for no particular reason except he's depressed.
The story-smithing reason that Jedi have train so long is to learn to control their passions. They have to control their passions is because the force is too powerful, it will eat them from the inside, eventually destroying them. That's the same reason Sith are more aggressively powerful, they use the Force at full strength. But it has to consume them.
I think Lucas knew some of this, but didn't know how to make it work. He was never able to show how the characters actually grow and evolve, and it detracts from the story.
That's why Palaptine is the wrong bad guy for the prequels. The bad guy from Anakin's youth can't be the bad guy from Luke's youth. That guy will have burned out and been supplanted (and probably killed) by Palpatine. And Vader will already be planning to kill Palpatine and take his place, when the moment is right.

Blogger Nate December 22, 2015 2:05 PM  

"although the AlphaGame reviewer is correct that it was lame she knew all these force powers immediately on her own). "

There is a very good explaination for why this is happening to her. The force is in a very messed up place because there sith but no jedi. The last Jedi is Luke (if he even is a real jedi) and the Force has no one else. So the Force itself is moving to create a new Jedi Order... and it is doing so through her. That's why she is so much stronger... that's why she can do more. The whole Force is focusing on her.

Blogger rycamor December 22, 2015 2:07 PM  

I'll have to kick my two cents in here. No, it's not perfect, but it was definitely a welcome step back from the idiotic direction the prequels took.

Sure... THERE WILL BE SJW. That's a given. If that's all that matters to you, don't see it. But if you can forgive the screenwriter a little weakness in this area (really nowhere near as bad as the worst SJW movies these days), the film does bring back some of the old Star Wars magic. The cinematography is awesome, they don't rely on out-CGIing the last movie. It's really just a comic book come to life, and that's how it should be enjoyed.

Anonymous Roundtine December 22, 2015 2:09 PM  

What do you call a Jedi woman with PMS? A Sith Lord.

Blogger Nate December 22, 2015 2:10 PM  

people the movie is named "the force awakens". People in the galaxy don't even believe the Jedi were real anymore. They think Luke was either just a lucky guy... or a complete myth.

GAH.

The Force is waking up... and working to rebuild the Jedi.

Blogger luagha December 22, 2015 2:11 PM  

Because IV sets the mark high, this movie can only hit the mark about 1/3 of the time. The other 2/3 falls flat and you find yourself fantasizing all the ways that a particular scene could have been done so much better, so much more powerfully.

The list is long, but it's for fun.

Carrie Fisher appeared to have her jaws wired shut and could barely walk. She's lived a rough drug-filled life and the doctor I was with was guessing medical diagnoses whenever she was on screen.

Han Solo had some good lines and some good interplay - the one person who most often hits his mark. But he has some terrible clunkers of lines sometimes. And his set-up - that he went back to being a smuggler and a scoundrel in his old age negating his earlier character growth - is insulting.

Quotes:
"We need to capture that droid intact!"
Not two seconds later..
"Call in an airstrike!"

Blogger Nate December 22, 2015 2:11 PM  

The freaking stars of the movie are the Xwings.

That should tell you everything you need to know.

Blogger S1AL December 22, 2015 2:12 PM  

@Nate - My response to the whole thing was "Eh, not bad," and got many of the reasons you listed. Mary Sue characters still annoy me to no end, and the actress was forgettable, but not bad. But Death Star 3: With a Vengeance left a lot to be desired for the plot.

Anonymous Samuel Scott December 22, 2015 2:13 PM  

MILD SPOILERS

Vox... This is fucking retarded. I've seen it. Its good. Anyone pretending that Leia wasn't a Feminist SuperGirl in New Hope is an idiot that's to stupid to be bothered with.

Leia was portrayed as one of the most badass characters in the whole series... consistently. She may have been first main stream Man With Tits.


I agree with Nate.

Episode VII is basically a retelling of Episode IV with different characters serving the various roles for a new generation of fans. And I loved it -- forget the politics and just enjoy the popcorn flick and an action romp.

Yes, there's a tough woman. So was Leia. I'd think that the commenters here would like seeing two of the new main characters "picking themselves up by the bootstraps" and [redacted].

It is SO much better than the prequels. It's a return to the grit and the dirt of the original and much less flashy CGI of the prequels. The same Joseph Campbell myths are retold. The action sequences are awesome.

I get the feeling that Episode IV was retold to hook the new generation and then the last two episodes can take the story who knows where.

When [redacted], I cried with the same shock of seeing Obi-Wan killed. When [redacted], I cheered. Not everything is about politics. Enjoy a good movie for what it is. Not everything in the world is so serious.

Anonymous Naploeon 12pdr December 22, 2015 2:14 PM  

Now, assuming that we had sense enough to NOT do prequels...

1. It's about five years after Return of the Jedi. Ten, at most. The Second Republic has been established, the New Jedi Order is functioning...but things are not as they were. The Second Republic has a lot of political infighting, the Jedi Order consists of Luke and a few dozen students. Forget smuggling, outright piracy and slaving are rampant.

2. A couple of Young Jedi are dispatched to chase pirates. They start to recognize that this isn't a set of one-off raiders, but an organization.

3. Luke and the 2nd Republic government start to trace the pirate organization.

4. Simultaneously, the 2nd Republic government comes under increasing political pressure. Leia gets suspicious, starts to trace the political side of the opposition.

5. Young Jedi investigations reveal a much larger pirate organization than suspected. They start encountering "disturbances" in the Force, aren't skilled enough to recognize them.

6. Leia's investigations show that there may be more to the political opposition than just politics. She starts to suspect a deliberate effort to destabilize the 2nd Republic.

7. Young Jedi run a major pirate leader to ground...and find that he is a Sith. A master of the Dark Side. They win, but with heavy losses. Maybe even after having one or two of their number taken prisoner.

8. Leia finds more evidence that the 2nd Republic is under attack. Digs into the political records, realizes this had happened just before the creation of the Empire.

9. Luke gets report back, realizes that the Jedi are at war. Combat training intensifies. He also recognizes that he'll probably have to lead from the front...and needs more advanced command of the Force. He begins to study, and to do research of his own.

10. Young Jedi prisoners are taken to Pirate Main Base, brought before a Sith Lord. He individually attempts to turn them to the Dark Side. The audience is NOT told of the results...but it's implied that at least one has turned.

11. Young Jedi escape. Luke fears that at least one has turned, has them confined until he can examine them in detail.

12. Leia confronts main political opponent...and finds he's also a Sith Lord. There's at least two of them! Major fight. Leia is driven into the political wilderness...maybe into exile.

13. Jedi and 2nd Republic forces mount major attack on pirate base. Big battle, but it's a trap...the pirates are warned, have reinforcements. Young Jedi POWs get out, join in the fighting. ALL are trustworthy. Sith Lord escapes.

14. Confrontation with both Sith Lords. Big lightsaber fight. Luke does much better than vs the Emperor...blue bolts of lightning get deflected. Jedi win. Luke MAY survive...or can dramatically save up all the energy tossed his way by the Sith and blow himself up (taking the Sith with him).

Blogger VD December 22, 2015 2:22 PM  

Not everything is about politics. Enjoy a good movie for what it is. Not everything in the world is so serious.

You're absolutely and utterly wrong. Go listen to the director talk. It is absolutely about politics. The fact that so many on the Right will happily support the cultural war efforts of the Left is the one reason we are losing it so badly.

Blogger VD December 22, 2015 2:24 PM  

That's pretty good, Naploeon 12pdr. How well do you write? I know a guy at a publisher....

Blogger Danby December 22, 2015 2:24 PM  

So the Force itself is moving to create a new Jedi Order... and it is doing so through her. That's why she is so much stronger... that's why she can do more. The whole Force is focusing on her.

That's just retarded.

Anonymous Mike Mike December 22, 2015 2:24 PM  

As far as Rey's prowess with the force, I thought the flashback/flashforward scene might have hinted she was trained as a young child and had the memories suppressed somehow.

Anonymous Samuel Scott December 22, 2015 2:27 PM  

Vox,

It might be different because I'm in Israel, but I greatly encourage the promotion of strong, female characters. (I won't say more because of spoilers.)

If I ever have a daughter, I'll be damn sure to teach her to be as strong and confident as possible. I don't see anything wrong with that. Women get a lot of crap in Middle Eastern culture, so they need a bit of toughness.

I would not want her to have to depend on a man because there won't always be a good man around. Maybe it's different elsewhere.

Anonymous DT December 22, 2015 2:28 PM  

I saw it. I'm torn because on one hand almost all the critiques you read online are true. The story is a rip off of ANH with elements of ESB, modified so the MaRey Sue character goes from being Luke on Tatooine to Luke at the end of Jedi with zero effort.

On the other hand, it got everything right that the prequels got wrong. The acting is good. The cast works well together. The special effects...with the exception of perhaps one or two elements...are much better then the prequels. And some of the scenes are really enjoyable.

So part of me finds it revolting while the other part just wants to enjoy it for what it is: capeshit. Unlike probably most of the people here, I take guilty pleasure in watching capeshit. I know it's bad for me, but I get a kick out of "Hulk smash." This is Star Wars: Hulk Smash.

I'm torn as to the motive for MaRey Sue Skywalker. I honestly wonder if it's "strong independent womyn" or simply dumbed down Disney magic. For those of you who have seen it, when she closed her eyes and said "the Force" I almost laughed out loud because I immediately thought "typical Disney 'wish upon a star' crap." It's just as bad either way, but I might be less offended if I discovered the motive was Disney magic rather then "womyns are equal but better!"

Anonymous karsten December 22, 2015 2:31 PM  

"You're absolutely and utterly wrong. Go listen to the director talk. It is absolutely about politics. The fact that so many on the Right will happily support the cultural war efforts of the Left is the one reason we are losing it so badly."

Exactly. This thread is the entire culture war in a nutshell.

And it is not coincidental that posters such as Nate and Samuel Scot, who have most aggressively defended the (((tribe))) and Israel, and have been most virulently anti-NSDAP, are the ones who are defending it most loudly.

Wake up, people.

Honestly, the director himself states point-blank that it is an anti-white feminist propaganda piece, and the cuckservatives are, true to form, saying, "No, it's not."

Mix of:

-willful blindness by the cucks, and
-strategic put-the-goy-to-sleep rhetoric by the de facto Hasbra

Anonymous DT December 22, 2015 2:32 PM  

@40 - not bad. I wish you had been in control of the sequels.

Blogger Drew December 22, 2015 2:32 PM  

I thought the villain was pretty good. It's entirely realistic for political families to have certain members go rogue. For example, one of Reagan's sons turned out to be a leftist. Or in the Bible, Absolom turned on his father King David.

One of the main things I didn't like was a lack of backstory. It kind of makes you feel like Luke defeated the emperor in Return of the Jedi, but now thirty years later everything still sucks. Granted, they could still provide more backstory in the next movies. But whenever you have to rely on future movies to plug up holes, you've missed an opportunity.

Blogger rycamor December 22, 2015 2:33 PM  

I agree, Naploeon 12pdr's scenario would rock.

Blogger S1AL December 22, 2015 2:33 PM  

"Honestly, the director himself states point-blank that it is an anti-white feminist propaganda piece"

Link? I've heard about the "whitest room ever" comment, but nothing beyond that.

Anonymous Samuel Scott December 22, 2015 2:33 PM  

And it is not coincidental that posters such as Nate and Samuel Scot, who have most aggressively defended the (((tribe))) and Israel, and have been most virulently anti-NSDAP, are the ones who are defending it most loudly.

Show us on the doll where the Jews touched you.

Not everything is about Jews and Israel. Obsess much?

Anonymous karsten December 22, 2015 2:34 PM  

"It might be different because I'm in Israel, but I greatly encourage the promotion of strong, female characters."

Wow. Well, that pretty much explains everything about this poster's history and cultural-Marxist inclinations. Kudos to him at least for admitting it

As the trope about (((tribe))) inclinations goes...

Every. Single. Time.

Anonymous karsten December 22, 2015 2:36 PM  

"Show us on the doll where the Jews touched you."

That joke is wearing thin. And I don't need a doll. I can use the entire destruction of Western culture as my object lesson.

"Not everything is about Jews and Israel. Obsess much?"

And yet here you are, true to form, promoting feminism.

You make my argument for me.

Anonymous szIlk December 22, 2015 2:36 PM  

While I understand the issues presented by the SJW influence on this film. My suggestion is to suspend the justified disbelieve and go enjoy this one. As a whole this is a good story and worth your time. As for the hero/protagonist role going to a strong, independent grrl. There are some mitigating possibilities that Mr. Abrams has left on the table that I believe win him a day in court....or a at least a fair viewing in the theater. Here's why.


1. Bare in mind that this is a sequel series, and that what is happening in this story is driven by both past events and events that happened in the period between Ep.6 and 7.

2. Rey's abilities (mechanical whiz kid, ace pilot, and finally effective light saber dualist) are ultimately all made available to her via the magic of Star Wars, namely the Force. She is extremely Force sensitive, a fact that we learn more about through the course of the movie even though it is not explicitly shown until about midway through the story.

3. Rey is not totally ignorant of the Jedi and their abilities. Like Luke and Han early in Ep. 4, she has heard of them, but only third hand through legends and stories. When she meets Han Solo for the first time and gets the first sense of the reality of the Force, Han confirms that it is real and so are the Jedi.

4. Soon after the above she has an eerie encounter with the Force (in the form of Anakin's/Luke's original lightsaber. Upon touching this icon, “something” frightening happens to her, more on this below.

5. Only after her first explicit contact with the Force and after her first torture session with Kilo does she make her first intentional use of the Force to escape. This culminates in her initial confrontation with Kilo. She wounds him, but the duel is not properly resolved.

How was this possible.....well,

6. Keeping in mind that this story is being told as a sequel. Luke has mastered the Force to some extent. We have learned Early in this story that He had suffered a major set back / failure to re-establish the Jedi order. He was in seclusion at the start of Ep. 7 What might he be doing at this point? My guess is that he has been communing with all great Jedi predecessors who have all been expanding their knowledge in the force through this whole time span from the start of the saga. Sensing the growing emergency in the form of the First Order, Snoke, and Kilo Ren, they now needed to act quickly to enable an effective resistance to the new growth in the Dark Side. While we do not know this for sure, It is possible that when Rey responded to Luke's call and first picked up the lightsaber, this event could have been all of the past Jedi now using a new ability to pass all of their learning and skill too her instantaneously (ala the Matrix). Something that would shock her system and require some minimal time and needed motivation before she was able to begin using these new abilities, but not requiring much time for them to be expressed once she started to delve into them.

Does this possible explanation solve all the problems. Nope. The annoying sassy gay friend vibe you get from Finn, the perfectly useless fussy C3PO, and your still left with a you go grrl. But, what she's got, she's only got due to the men in her life, so, there is still that. And given the radical over all improvement in the story from the tragedy of the prequels, it is still worth a look see.

Anonymous Samuel Scott December 22, 2015 2:37 PM  

Wow. Well, that pretty much explains everything about this poster's history and cultural-Marxist inclinations. Kudos to him at least for admitting it

HAHAHAHHHAHAHHAAAHAHA.

You don't now the first thing about me. I'm not a Marxist by any stretch of the imagination. You don't know my political and economic opinions. You don't know for which parties I vote in Israel.

But you automatically assign everyone who disagrees with anything you think to a corner? That's logical.

Anonymous Leonidas December 22, 2015 2:39 PM  

It occurs to me that there is probably a market for books, and even films, that "continue" the story of SJW-infested properties in a traditionalist manner.

I suspect there probably is a good market for this. In a very related note, my wife and I have discussed at length the strange phenomenon that there aren't more movies and books in the Indiana Jones genre. I'm strongly considering turning my hand at it once I finish the novel and novella that are currently on my plate.

Blogger Jourdan December 22, 2015 2:39 PM  

If it doesn't have my man Grand Admiral Thrawn in it, it's not the Star Wars universe I'm looking for.

Blogger S1AL December 22, 2015 2:40 PM  

Well yeah, you're a Jew, so evil-bad, obviously. Didn't you hear? They killed Christ and hate all white men.

Wearing thin, indeed.

Blogger Bluntobj Winz December 22, 2015 2:40 PM  

I actually thought of re-writing children's books to eliminate "Strong Women" or "Non-standard" hero types, and replace them with straight cis-gendered white male shitlords.

It would improve them to no end. As an example, take "The Magic School Bus" series. Ostensibly about learning science, it has the super-smart girl, the active no-failure hispanic, and the whiny dopey white kid that is always afraid. If I read one of these books to my kids I change the genders and temperament of the kids such that Andrew is the leader that is smart and humble.

I'd do the same for kids shows, like "Superwhy" Everyone else is human except "Alpha Pig", who is a pig instead of a white boy. That is so much poz it pisses me off.

If the Dark Lord chooses to write some kid books, or re-write existing books from a masculine western perspective, why, it would drive SJW's into apoplectic fits where teir skulls would burst from the frustrated SJW rage...

Blogger Cogitans Iuvenis December 22, 2015 2:44 PM  

@19.

Yeah...pretty much my summation as well. The first half was pretty good, in fact, I liked the story up until Han Solo showed up and from there it lost it's legs. Firstly because Harrison Ford didn't seem so much like Han Solo as he did Harrison Ford playing a role he doesn't want to be in and secondly because it quickly devolved into A New Hope 2.0.

The force thing with the girl bothered me alot as well. I can buy Karlo Rhen, or whatever the fuck was his name, losing out because he had just been shot in the gut by Chewie and they established that the girl had some sort of martial background.

What really bothered me was:

A) He fucking ripped of his first Star Trek by having the "Resistance" witness a planets destruction. I don't care that JJ Abrams is trying to establish some sort of ring or tie in by having Leia witness another planetary destruction and the way he did it was fucking lazy.

B) JJ Abrams absolute lack of spatial awareness. My friends insist that all the planets were in the same system but I don't recall that ever being established.

C) ANOTHER fucking death star? You'd think that after having two super weapons destroyed by fighters they would learn their lesson. Even worse the super weapon was eve MORE vulnerable than last time.

Was it the worst movie ever? No...but I'm not going to have high expectations for the next ones.

Blogger Sean December 22, 2015 2:45 PM  

I remember watching the prequels, and the Clone Wars cartoons, and thinking that the Jedi came off far worse than the Sith.

Blogger Chiva December 22, 2015 2:46 PM  

The only thought of note I had after watching the movie was this:
Typical Disney movie, parents are absent or separated, and strong male role models are removed or killed.

Blogger kennymac December 22, 2015 2:47 PM  

i cant believe grown men are getting this worked up about a fucking space movie. I saw SW in the theater when I was 10. Loved it. Now? Not so much. Here's the thng, from an adult point of view, ALL of the Star Wars movies sucked. The only reason most people can't seem to recognize that is because you saw them for the first time as children. And we all know kids don't know shit about what's good or what's crap.

Blogger Randy M December 22, 2015 2:48 PM  

"Unlike probably most of the people here, I take guilty pleasure in watching capeshit. "

Oh, I don't know. We had a commenter who pretended he was Loki for about two years straight awhile back. The Ilk is about as nerdy as a group this well armed has any call to be.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr December 22, 2015 2:49 PM  

@42 VD:

I've never tried my hand at fiction. My stock in trade has been test plans, reports, and professional papers.

Although I've been mulling over a couple of fiction ideas...in particular, taking the old-fashioned Space Patrol trope and refreshing it with modern technology.

Anonymous Samuel Scott December 22, 2015 2:49 PM  

Well yeah, you're a Jew, so evil-bad, obviously. Didn't you hear? They killed Christ and hate all white men.

I do hope you're being sarcastic.

ANOTHER fucking death star?

Objectively speaking, the best criticism of the new movie is that it's a rehash of Episode IV. But my day job is in marketing, so I completely understand it. The point was to tell the same mythological story to captivate a new generation. Now, the last two movies can take it in an original direction. (I hope.)

Blogger praetorian December 22, 2015 2:51 PM  

Show us on the doll where the Jews touched you.

*points to our gaping porno-cesspool of an atheistic culture, being swarmed over by invading hordes*

Anonymous Rantor December 22, 2015 2:53 PM  

it was a MADLIB of episode 4 with names changed to make it appear new. If you are going to tell the story about a poor desert dweller who meets a droid that has super valuable secrets and escapes to be aided by two scoundrel space pirates... auugh you get the point. They would have done better (originality wise) filming the books on Grand Admiral Thrawn.

Blogger Cogitans Iuvenis December 22, 2015 2:53 PM  

@14

I'll jump in as well.

-Anakin Skywalker, due to being a Rim Worlder, chaffs at the tight restrictions enforced by the Jedi Order and is some what sympathetic to the cause of the secessionist. Obi-Wan Kenobi, being a staunch traditionalist, is fully on the side of the Republic, shutting down the rebelling and restoring peace.

-The brutality of war leads to a dramatic reversal between the two. Obi-Wan becomes more unsure of their cause due to implementation of executive orders, policies that seem at odds with the ideals of the republic and the tremendous loss of life. Eventually Obi-Wan, and the rest of the Jedi, realize that the cost of the war is too great, withdrawl from the war, and try to act as mediators between the two sides.

-Anakin has a completely opposite reaction. Though he was initially sympathetic to the separatists the chaos of the war, and the soft prodding of future emperor Palpatine, make him convinced that order needs to be established in the galaxy. Eventually he comes to see the Jedi as those who sow the most disorder, falls to the dark side and begins his extermination of the Jedi.

Anonymous Feh December 22, 2015 2:53 PM  

"black guy "hero" isn't heroic at all. In fact he's trying like hell to run away"

That is b/c he is the Han Solo of this movie. Remember that in episode 4, Han runs away but then comes back.

Blogger praetorian December 22, 2015 2:54 PM  

It was a bad touch, Samuel.

I'd appreciate your input.

Blogger S1AL December 22, 2015 2:55 PM  

@Samuel Scott - Yes.

@Cogitans - One of Abrams' biggest issues is that he loves to do it the same, but bigger. Another one that came glaring through is his time-compressed ability gaining heroes. It's a shame he couldn't maintain a level of writing equal to his early work on Lost.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr December 22, 2015 2:57 PM  

Important note: Do NOT let J.J. Abrams at your intellectual property. He might be a decent director, but his storyline is lousy. Disney should have figured this out from the first Star Trek film he wrecked.

Anonymous Samuel Scott December 22, 2015 2:58 PM  

"black guy "hero" isn't heroic at all. In fact he's trying like hell to run away"

That is b/c he is the Han Solo of this movie. Remember that in episode 4, Han runs away but then comes back.


He did come back in this very movie. He saw Rey being carried away by the First Order, and then he volunteered to go to their planet to save the day.

Poe might turn out to be the new "Han Solo" -- it's still too early to tell.

Anonymous Samuel Scott December 22, 2015 3:00 PM  

It was a bad touch, Samuel.

I'd appreciate your input.


Sorry -- don't understand your point?

Blogger Steve, the Dark Ninja of Mockery December 22, 2015 3:01 PM  

Was it the worst movie ever? No...but I'm not going to have high expectations for the next ones.

Not if Abrams is involved, he took the Star Trek reboot from passable to pozzed within the span of only two films.

A few years ago he was being touted as the next Steven Spielberg. He's more like the next Roland Emmerich.

Anonymous The OASF December 22, 2015 3:03 PM  

If The Dark Night and The Dark Knight Rises cannot convince someone that the CIA psychological operations division runs Hollywood then nothing can.

OpenID elijahrhodes December 22, 2015 3:03 PM  

Radical feminism (and of course multiculturalism) has permeated mainstream culture to such a profound degree that most now accept it as normal that nearly every action movie has a super-girrrrrl! that defies all objective reality.

I watched Man from UNCLE the other day and the female British MI6 agent outwrestled a Russian KBG agent who outweighed her by 50+ pounds, was a former Sambo champion, and in a previous scene was strong enough to rip a trunk lid off a car.

That said, for those of us who have kids it's nearly impossible to avoid all pop culture, so it's critical to educate them to discern and reject the propaganda. I see lots of films with my kids, but they've honed a discerning eye for leftist dogma.

Blogger luagha December 22, 2015 3:04 PM  

Leia is a take-charge action girl but she does it through shooting and assertiveness. She also has her ideas run out of steam just as much as everyone else's making for the ups and down of the classic Serials that Lucas was imitating.

They try to make Rey an action girl through physicality and they do it wrong. Action Men are explosive and dynamic; Action Women are graceful, elegant, and precise. But they try to have Rey do explosive things and it comes off badly.

When a man runs away from blaster fire with explosions all around, you can see that he is straining to explode to safety so fast that his enemies don't have time to aim.
When Rey is running away from blaster fire with explosions all around she is kind of picking her way through trees and moving so slowly that you can no longer see why the bad guys don't take time to aim and drill her.

A great example would be Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon. Beautiful motion, but the female fighters don't move fast, nor should they. By comparison, when Chow Yun-Fatt manages a killing blow, it is sharp like lightning.

Furthermore, no one really wants to see a woman get beat up and grimly pick herself up from the dirt to keep fighting, showing her endurance and pain resistance the way we want to see that from a man. So it limits the drama of a conflict. The enemies can't paste Rey one on the jaw, or burn her with the lightsaber to leave a big scar - they have to grab her and wrestle her kinda.

Whereas in Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon, they demonstrate combat superiority against a woman with tactical advantage and mood. In Michelle Yeoh and Zhang Ziyi's fight, Yeoh over and over demonstrates her greater skill by maneuvering Ziyi into a bad position, a lockup, a loss of control, an 'I coulda got you'... but never has to hit her.

I'm sure John Wright could put this better and already did in his book of essays on the topic. I recall reading it in my Hugo packet. :)

Anonymous BigGaySteve December 22, 2015 3:04 PM  

Someone twisted my ,lets say arm, and had me go out to see it on sunday and I was working on my review of The affirmative action force awakens. Warning Spoilers.

I will still watch the movie for it will be an enjoyable 2 hours.I won't. Because it won't be.

I saw it on Sunday luckly I didn't see the entire 22 min of previews, and even more lucky was there was only one person in the first 7 rows for an afternoon matinee showing, I saw it in a die verse city because I had a gift card that was about to expire anyway. Word of advice if you are going to laugh at non PC times have a space between you and your boyfriend.

I will post my review later but it starts with

"The best Latino pilot in the galaxy", from here on refered to TBLPIG getting a piece of a map to Luke Skywalker, right before a stormtrooper raid on the planet. Stormtrooper FN604U who later gets the name FucIN is too chickenshit in what turns out to be his first battle to even fire back at the rebels. Droid escapes with map while BLPIG captured. Old grey lady storm trooper orders to inspect FN694U's weapon ;) ;) seeing it not fired, if you thought they made a mistake with a black storm trooper this ones penis fell off, but didn’t get a robot hand to replace it.
Best Latino pilot in the Universe captured but his droid got away with secrete map, to the last jedi Luke. Darth Goth’s interrogation of the best latino pilot in the galaxy consists of telling him what a good pilot he is.

FN694U deserts freeing best latino pilot to take him somewhere nice. FN694U has never had any other name so BLPITU calls him FuckIN. So much for volunteer troopers vs clones.

Its reviled that Darth Goth & pale skinned pretty red hair boy are in charge of the 4th Reich’s Super Sized Solar Powered Death Star while they talk to Darth Big Pale Man (Perhaps Giant of Paleness would be better GOP for short. Later we find out they put a protective cover on the exhaust port that the rebels have to take care of before the affirmative action force can shoot it. Obviously the pretty young red haired boy achieved rank on merit.

Darth Goth has moles on his sickly pale face that he should get checked out, I mean they give people robot hands but can’t do simple dermatology? You would think the empire would have a good medical plan.

Anonymous BigGaySteve December 22, 2015 3:05 PM  

Cont.
The best latino pilot in the galaxy and FucIN try to steal a Thai fighter, but white privilege kept them from being smart enough to disconnect the recharging power cord, so chickensheet FucIN that wouldn’t shoot back at rebels firing at him manages to shoot the power cord holding them back. Oddly the cord was black in color.BLPIG flies back to the planet he left his droid on only to have the thai fighter shot down despite their praising of each other. Obviously the white thai fighter that shot them down was racist.

FucIN finds himself seat ejected with smoke over the hill from where the Thai fighter crashed. He finds the Thai fighter with the BLPITG’s jacket but no BLPITG but for some reason thinks he is dead as the thai fighter falls down and blows up. I guess without the jacket the BLPITG is an invisible minority so you couldn’t see the body. Reference COMMON CORE Jacket story .

This brings us to Soup or pussE. The droid finds souporpusse whose day job is risking her life to salvage engineering parts from wrecked capital class ships. SOP helps the droid out & after the Space Jew Jews her more than before, the Space Jew offers SOP 240X her daily payout (for risking her life in an activity that requires engineering knowledge and athletics) for the droid she just meet. She of course turns it down stating “DRP2”- Droids are people to. FucIN shows up wearing BLPITG’s jacket SoupOrPusse beats up the innocent black guy because the basketball droid said he was wearing his owners jacket. She easily over girl powered FucIN.
(just like the common core approved story of “The Jacket” where a white kids attacks a black for wearing his brothers jacket thinking it was stolen, but Deux ex Machina the white boy realizes his perfectly understandable Occam’s razor was actually bad think). If only women working at refusegee camps could use the force to know when people they just meet wont rape them.

I will post the rest on my livejournal

Blogger Drew December 22, 2015 3:07 PM  

Black guy was a wuss, plain and simple. The only thing he's willing to risk himself for is a woman.

I thought the lightsaber fighting was pretty realistic -- because the story made it fairly clear that Kylo Ren was not trying to kill the girl. He wanted to take her alive. The dictator had ordered him to capture her, because he is obsessed with finding Luke and wiping out any potential jedi threat. During the fight, Kylo Ren even starts talking to her about trying to get her to join him.

I do agree that the overall plot was a bit too derivative. I hope the next movie are more original. I really wish they would ditch Jar Jar Abrams.

Blogger Nate December 22, 2015 3:09 PM  

"You're absolutely and utterly wrong. Go listen to the director talk. It is absolutely about politics. The fact that so many on the Right will happily support the cultural war efforts of the Left is the one reason we are losing it so badly."

Again..

If its all about political propoganda then why is the biggest dumbass in the movie... the most incompetent individual in the movie... a female captain?

And why are all the competent people in the movie besides the protag men?

Literally.. the super competent bad guy general? White guy. Incompetent Bad Guy? Jew. Incompetent Captain that gets everyone killed? Woman. Most badass pilot ever? Man.

Of course the casting is all kinds is diverse. For one thing... its an alliance. Did you really think it was normal for the rebel alliance to be made up of people who all looked the same?

but oh no! There was a fat pilot in this one!

Except there were fat pilots in all of them.

That's just it. You people throwing fits about this one should go back and watch New Hope.

Leia is every bit the feminist super girl in it.

Blogger Nate December 22, 2015 3:10 PM  

"I thought the lightsaber fighting was pretty realistic -- because the story made it fairly clear that Kylo Ren was not trying to kill the girl."

See I thought the saber fights were the worst part. It is obvious they are having to slow down so the girl can keep up.

Blogger Noah B #120 December 22, 2015 3:11 PM  

Having another huge good vs. evil blowout 5-10 years after Return of the Jedi seems wrong. As they're consolidating power and learning to govern, the Jedi should be coming to grips with the need to compromise somewhat on their ideals in the face of practical difficulties. It should be made clear that their rise to power set in motion their inevitable fall in the distant future. Meanwhile the Sith, reeling from defeat, should be shown reorganizing for resistance and purifying their order.

Likewise, I would have liked to see Anakan portrayed as a more likeable anti-hero, bravely fighting decay, corruption, and tyranny that had largely taken over the Jedi Council. It would have been a more interesting story if readers had been shown why Anakan did everything he did, to the point that they fully identified with him and agreed with his reasoning in mowing down the next generation of Jedi brats, who should have been seen as future thought-police dedicated to preventing the Sith from fully developing and using their natural abilities.

Blogger dh December 22, 2015 3:13 PM  

Nate--

Leia was also portrayed as essentially spoiled and bratty. Did they keep that?

Blogger Sean December 22, 2015 3:14 PM  

Take it from someone who has studied asian and western swordsmanship for nearly a decade..there is nothing realistic about lightsaber fights.

Anonymous DT December 22, 2015 3:14 PM  

@55 If you need a detailed, post movie explanation as to how Rey got her powers, then Rey shouldn't have gotten her powers.

Since there are already spoilers here regarding the final dual I'll go ahead and post this...

The movie would have been 10x better if Kylo had batted Rey around like a cat plays with a mouse, laughing at her the entire time for thinking she could dual with a lightsaber, only to have Luke appear and intervene right before the killing blow.

* Her Special Snowflake Princess Force powers would have been dialed down to an almost acceptable level, and she would have an embarrassing defeat as motivation to grow.

* Kylo's status as a threat to be reckoned with would have been preserved.

* We would have gotten to see Luke actually do something. His entry at the critical moment would have caused some of the loudest cheering of any SW scene ever.

* On one hand Kylo would have to face a real Jedi for what he has done. But on the other, Luke can't kill Kylo, and not just because he's signed up for 3 films. Leia can still sense good in Kylo, which means Luke can. Killing him is not what Han or Leia would want and presumably not what the light side of the force would want. But the temptation after all Kylo has done...the temptation would be there, same as it was when he fought his father.

I was honestly expecting something like this when the final dual started, only to be completely let down. JJ blew it big time here.

Anonymous BigGaySteve December 22, 2015 3:15 PM  

Sorry this part of my review addresses the posted scence

"Darth Goth realizes he cant get the map out of SOP’s mind because she has the light side of the force, but leaves her in the same restraints TBLPITG escaped from with just a single storm trooper guard. SOP uses the force (with no training) to say “Unlock me, open the door, drop your gun and I will show you my tits”, well she doesn’t actually have tits she has boy chest, so she must really be strong in the force. You would think after someone else escaped from the same room they would put a lock or a password on the lock.

Anonymous Samuel Scott December 22, 2015 3:16 PM  

See I thought the saber fights were the worst part. It is obvious they are having to slow down so the girl can keep up.

My thoughts:

It's the difference between two fencing experts and two people who are handed swords and told to try to kill the other one.

The first type is in Episode 4 -- Darth Vader and Obi-Wan are artists, and the light-saber duel looks like art. In Episode 7, we see two novices who just exhibit naked aggression with their light-sabers. Two different types of fights.

Blogger Culture War Draftee December 22, 2015 3:17 PM  

Has JJ Abrams made any movies that were good? Not just OK for eating popcorn and killing some time. I mean good enough that you want to watch them again, while sober.

The first Star Trek movie was passable, thanks to plenty of action, but the characters were annoying cartoons, bad riffs on the originals made by someone who wanted to take the original series down a few pegs. Zach Quinto is a good actor, but watching Chris Pine slouch in the captain's chair like a smarmy frat boy was painful. And the plot made no sense whatsoever, the bad guy's planet is blown up so he goes back in time to get revenge for it blowing up before it blows up so he can see it blown up again with the satisfaction of knowing he avenged it without the inconvenience of having to come up with a less convoluted plot to let it not be blown up. Oh and mining ships are more powerful than battleships in battle. It was literally an idiot plot doused in madman plot, with a heaping side dish of WTF.

And yet they made money on that. Screw JarJarAbramstartrekwarz, I'm watching Objective Burma on the roku.

Blogger luagha December 22, 2015 3:17 PM  

Oh my god, the running-away-and-coming back.

The main characters have found people who are helping them, they are in a position of comfort. They have a map to the fabled Skywalker, everything is actually rolling pretty well for them to continue being heroes and following the plot.

And they run away.

It's so nonsensical, so absent to their prior motivations, that leaned over and whispered to my husband, "The Hero Must Refuse The Call," and he groaned and almost walked out of the theater because he was on the edge of hitting suspension of disbelief and I'd woken him up.

You see, in the Joseph Campbell Monomyth, in the Hero's Journey detailed in Hero of a Thousand Faces, and recapitulated in various Screenwriting 101 books... The Hero Must Refuse The Call.

Something must happen to show the hero that bad things will get worse if they step up, thus forcing them back onto the Hero's Path. And predictably it does.

But it's so crass, so jarring and meaningless to prior motivations like the ex-Stormtrooper's morality that it just takes you right out of the story and you go, "Why are they doing that?!?"

And the answer is because it's in the Screenwriting 101 book that they read.

Blogger crazyivan498 December 22, 2015 3:17 PM  

I am a fan of the ordinal series and read much of the expanded universe. I was excited to to see the trailers with the millennium falcon back in action and x-wing star fighters. But then I saw the casting. further I saw that "captain plasma" was cast a women. I lost it. I knew the movie would be full bore SJW garbage. I dont think they casted a a single white male that didn't come from the original trilogy. I can't see it. I wont.

Anonymous WaterBoy December 22, 2015 3:18 PM  

Bluntobj Winz @60: "I actually thought of re-writing children's books to eliminate "Strong Women" or "Non-standard" hero types, and replace them with straight cis-gendered white male shitlords."

Warren Goes Explorin'.

Books, cartoons, video games...you've got the making of an empire, there.

Blogger Noah B #120 December 22, 2015 3:19 PM  

In any case, it's almost a sure thing that the porn paradies will have better plots than this film.

Anonymous Samuel Scott December 22, 2015 3:19 PM  

MAJOR SPOILER
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I was honestly expecting something like this when the final dual started, only to be completely let down. JJ blew it big time here.

It would have been perfect if Rey had found Luke on the distant planet, and then he would turn around and tell her: "Rey, I am your father."

End scene.

Blogger Nate December 22, 2015 3:20 PM  

"Leia was also portrayed as essentially spoiled and bratty. Did they keep that?"

She's to old to be bratty. In the movie she looks tired and beaten down. She is holding it together but you can tell she appears to be deeply troubled. (real life health issues could explain this more than acting). The girl isn't bratty. She's a guy with (small) tits.

I mean that. She is not a girl. The movie doesn't portray her as a girl at all.

She's a male. She is referred to as she... but she she acts like a male. At one point she gives the thank you friendzone hug to the naygra and its awkward because its the only hint of girl she has in the entire movie.

OpenID Jack Amok December 22, 2015 3:20 PM  

Merely, it is a pathetic, pale shadow of what was thirty years ago.

As rycamor said, SJW is a given, though the fun thing I am noticing now is that you can see some cracks in the narrative. Like Nate said, the female stormtrooper captain screws up big-time. This is the second Disney move in a row (Tomorrowland being the first) I've seen with and SJW trope getting subtly mocked. I'm not sure if it's intentional, or an example of reality forcing itself into the narrative.
But ultimately, I was half-expecting to see Scalzi's name in the credits, the movie was such a repackaging of the original. Let's see:

(Spoilers if you care)

Droid with top-secret information wanders around a desert planet full of scrap dealers. Ends up finding the one youth in the galaxy with massive Force potential. Sith lord in mask and dark cloak orders Stormtroopers to find droid (though this Sith lord is skinny and metrosexual looking compared to grand-dad Vader). Droid and teen prodigy flee planet in Millennium Falcon. Evil empire builds gigantic planet-destroying weapon, targets Rebel base, X-wings need to hit the one single vulnerability in the entire base, but first someone needs to infiltrate the base to shut down the shields...

Not only is Hollywood incapable of creating new settings, it can't even create new stories in the existing settings.

Blogger Nate December 22, 2015 3:21 PM  

"It would have been perfect if Rey had found Luke on the distant planet, and then he would turn around and tell her: "Rey, I am your father.""

My wife is convinced she's luke's kid.

I myself am dubious.

Blogger luagha December 22, 2015 3:22 PM  

Oh, and aside from the amazingly semitic nose, it turns out that the Kylo Ren actor is not Jewish, and is actually a former Marine.

Shocked me - my husband was looking up yiddish words and phrases to come up with the best one for him. We settled on 'Darth Nebbish' although 'Darth Putz' and 'Darth Pischer' were high on the list.

Blogger luagha December 22, 2015 3:23 PM  

If Rey was Luke's kid, Leia should have twigged to it when they were in the same room being her Aunt and all. But hey, if we're talking about obvious balls dropped...

Anonymous Samuel Scott December 22, 2015 3:24 PM  

Oh, and aside from the amazingly semitic nose, it turns out that the Kylo Ren actor is not Jewish, and is actually a former Marine.

Shocked me - my husband was looking up yiddish words and phrases to come up with the best one for him. We settled on 'Darth Nebbish' although 'Darth Putz' and 'Darth Pischer' were high on the list.


Again, obsess much?

Blogger Nate December 22, 2015 3:24 PM  

"
"The first type is in Episode 4 -- Darth Vader and Obi-Wan are artists, and the light-saber duel looks like art. In Episode 7, we see two novices who just exhibit naked aggression with their light-sabers. Two different types of fights."

Really slow... clumsy... unathletic naked aggression.

My under 10 boys have more athletic sword fights than that bullshit.

Granted Kylo was all busted up. He'd been shot and cut with a lightsaber multiple times. But the girl was just so.... slow.

Anonymous BigGaySteve December 22, 2015 3:24 PM  

Anyone pretending that Leia wasn't a Feminist SuperGirl in New Hope is an idiot that's to stupid to be bothered with.

"They go back to the rebel base where they meat Post Wall Princess Bad Hair Cut Layah(no wonder Hands left her for Chewy). They look at the map but its only the last portion of the map, and they cant match it up because star charts went away like power/water did in South Africa when blacks took over. BasketBallDroid finds R2D2(“DRP2”- Droids are people to) he is there but he is powered down, and no one can stimulate him but its thought he might have portions of the map in his memory.

The SuperSizedSolarPoweredDeathStar fires a beam that destroys several rebel planets at once but not the one they are on. They can see the beams in the sky on their world. The rebels realize they must destroy it before it recharges via the sun.

Despite FucIN turning traitor on his very first mission he turns out to know all about the SuperSizedSolarPoweredDeathStar. Do they tell everyone even the sanitation people(reviled to be FucIN’s first job) about how the weapon works and how to defeat the shield put on the exhaust port? Yes the empire is that stupid.

They make the plan to have SOP, Hands ,& his life partner chewy sneak in and shut down the shield generator, then the BLPITG, along with white woman, and Muzzie dude use the affirmative action force to do the same thing Luke did to the mini death star.

Anonymous Faceless December 22, 2015 3:25 PM  

One would think, given the time and technology, the armor would be immune to most main blows from a light saber and they would need to make a light rapier, then this new woman (SOP?) could get some dandy of a name like mistress of the force rapier.

Blogger Drew December 22, 2015 3:25 PM  

I personally doubt that Rey is Luke's kid. At least I hope not. I think that would be really lame.

Blogger Nate December 22, 2015 3:26 PM  

"Oh, and aside from the amazingly semitic nose,"

Honestly the kid looks jewish as all hell. Does that make me racis or anti-Semitic? I dunno. But I know a giant jew nose when I see one.

Blogger Gunnar von Cowtown December 22, 2015 3:26 PM  

@ 63
"Typical Disney movie, parents are absent or separated, and strong male role models are removed or killed.

So, Rae is basically the next one in a long and distinguished line of Disney princesses? lolz I, for one, am shocked... SHOCKED.

Blogger Nate December 22, 2015 3:26 PM  

"I personally doubt that Rey is Luke's kid. At least I hope not. I think that would be really lame."

Well she has to be somebody's kid.

Blogger Drew December 22, 2015 3:28 PM  

I guess I shouldn't put it past Jar Jar Abrams, but if she's Luke's kid then that seems pretty cliche. Also it would turn Luke into a deadbeat.

Anonymous Finn lover December 22, 2015 3:29 PM  

The Force Awakens is a smashing success and considered by many to be one of the best in the series.

The only group I see that dislike it are right wing weirdoes like you guys. And you guys don't count.

You guys are strange people outside the realm of civilization
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/12/18/most-u-s-christian-groups-grow-more-accepting-of-homosexuality/

Blogger Nate December 22, 2015 3:29 PM  

" Do they tell everyone even the sanitation people(reviled to be FucIN’s first job) about how the weapon works and how to defeat the shield put on the exhaust port? Yes the empire is that stupid. "

Umm...

That's not how it happened. The neygra didn't know how to turn off the shield. They captured the chick captain and asked her to shut the shields down... and the dumb ass did it.

Anonymous PraetorDrew December 22, 2015 3:31 PM  

They didn't even have the excellent fight choreography of The Phantom Menace.

If you think about it, superhuman martial artists with precognitive abilities would realistically fight in these long chains of tightly choreographed moves, the way that a chessmaster can see 30 moves ahead while an amateur might be able to see 5 moves ahead.

Blogger Nate December 22, 2015 3:32 PM  

"I guess I shouldn't put it past Jar Jar Abrams, but if she's Luke's kid then that seems pretty cliche. Also it would turn Luke into a deadbeat."

my alternative theory is that she was a badass force sensative padwan Luke was raising when he was creating the new group of Jedi before Ben turned. Then when Ben turned... Luke was so shaken up by it, he bailed, and basically had her abandoned on the desert planet.

I mean Luke's always been a dick.

Anonymous Roundtine December 22, 2015 3:34 PM  

Finns made the movie, so why wouldn't a Finn lover like it?

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr December 22, 2015 3:34 PM  

@93 luagha:

This is why you toss Screenwriting 101. And avoid tired tropes like the plague. Damn it, I've had enough of the "young hero is the old hero's bastard child" line. Come up with something NEW. Or at least so old that it seems new again.

OpenID Jack Amok December 22, 2015 3:34 PM  

The basic plot outline of the prequels was fine. The problems were almost all in the details and the execution. But then, details and execution tend to matter.

Blogger Nate December 22, 2015 3:35 PM  

"They didn't even have the excellent fight choreography of The Phantom Menace."

I mean there are logical reasons for this though... Kylo isn't fully trained. and he's severely wounded.

The girl is a total and complete rookie. and the neygra is a complete rookie with a sword-type weapon as well.

But I can't help but think that some of this is deliberate because of the overly-stylized fights of the prequels. Like perhaps they are doing it on purpose to distance the film from the prequels.

Blogger Werekoala December 22, 2015 3:36 PM  

How were the lens flares?

I should post my idea for how this movie should have gone ( haven't seen it yet) but very short version is Luke goes all Col. Kurtz.

Blogger Nate December 22, 2015 3:37 PM  

and I think you guys are also missing the point. The movie wasn't made to tell a great story.

It was made to reboot a series, reignite a fanbase... and make people feel like they felt when they were watching New Hope for the first time.

In all of those areas... it worked.

Anonymous Anonymous Bosch December 22, 2015 3:37 PM  

The Timothy Zahn novels are the true canon, as far as I'm concerned. That said, I'm probably in the minority opinion here for liking the film- I thought Lawrence Kasdan (who also wrote Empire) wrote a movie that felt more like a Star Wars film than any of the prequels did. As far as the vaginal protagonist goes: I suppose I just didn't care enough to be offended. In a fantasy universe with ghosts and laser swords and "the Force" I suppose I don't care about real world feminine capabilities. Sure, the grrl power prodigy aspect of it was heavy handed, but she still got her ass handed to her and got kidnapped, and had to be saved from the giant planet destroying space station by the heroes (which sounds awfully familiar) which was blown up by the cocky hotshot pilot, who was woefully under-utilized in my opinion. Original point though: read the "Heir to the Empire" novels. A much more satisfying continuation of the story.

Blogger S1AL December 22, 2015 3:39 PM  

Keep in mind that Maul was played by an actual black belt and combat stuntman. That's a huge part of why that fight looked so much better than the rest.

Anonymous VFM #0410 December 22, 2015 3:40 PM  

I didn't know what to think of the movie. It avoided some of the worst of George Lucas's sins. There were no vapid, annoying characters in this movie. And it was reasonably cast, for the most part. The actor who played the black stormtrooper was surprisingly good.

Adam Driver was also good as the villain-with-daddy-issues. Still a bit emo at times, but better than the Anakin of the prequels.

Even Rey's character was fine, right up until near the end when, as the OP said, she is suddenly a badass Jedi, at least as good as Luke was WITH training from Yoda. That's where they lost me. It turned into a feminist power fantasy. The woman had to be the most powerful character, and to Hell with the story.

I went into the theater with very low expectations. Halfway through, I got hopeful, it may have been recycling bits from the original trilogy, but it was recycling GOOD bits. And then the film just went downhill. It's still not as bad as the prequels, but that's like saying it's better than a steaming pile of elephant shit.

I probably won't bother with the next movies.

Blogger Nate December 22, 2015 3:41 PM  

" should post my idea for how this movie should have gone ( haven't seen it yet) but very short version is Luke goes all Col. Kurtz. "

I agree.

The whole story works if Luke has turned. If I were writing it... Luke would've been wearing that black mask... fullfilling his father's wish. Particularly since Yoda predicted it would happen and yoda tends to be right a lot.

Anonymous I am a Hat December 22, 2015 3:42 PM  

I think you can enjoy this new installment while recognizing its story flaws and SJW elements.

However, many viewers (not readers of this site) are probably not aware of the SJW elements until someone deviates from the Narrative. Once that happens, the SJWs come out in full force. That's what so different about this reception to this movie, compared to previous Star Wars films (good or bad).

You can't simply say The Force Awakens is just "good." What's wrong with that? It has to be "grrreat!" It's like we're living in North Korea or something.

The Narrative is so important that any criticism of the movie is met with an onslaught of emotionalism. Take the Twitter storm currently involving screenwriter Max Landis. He dared criticize the main female character (Rey) as a "Mary Sue" (i.e. a too-perfect character-slash-author surrogate). He simply was commenting on the quality of the storytelling as writers do.

However, Landis was met with the usual insipid united-front responses from SJW drones. It is doubtful Landis is anything but liberal, but it doesn't matter to the rabbits.

Blogger Nate December 22, 2015 3:43 PM  

"Even Rey's character was fine, right up until near the end when, as the OP said, she is suddenly a badass Jedi, at least as good as Luke was WITH training from Yoda. "

At least as good as Luke?

Are you drunk?

Kylo wasn't even fully trained and he was wrecking her. He could've killed her any time he wanted. And he was severely wounded.

I mean what movie did you people watch?

Anonymous Heh December 22, 2015 3:43 PM  

There's more to complain about with the movie, from the smallness of space to a lack of understanding of thermodynamics

If I understand it correctly, they got the entire mass/energy of a sun inside a planet. Which sounds like a conservation of mass problem... but since they have FTL travel they must have magic physics.

Also, when they gonna learn how to stop building giant space battle stations that don't have a single easily exploited fatal weakness?

Blogger Nate December 22, 2015 3:44 PM  

"You can't simply say The Force Awakens is just "good." What's wrong with that? It has to be "grrreat!" It's like we're living in North Korea or something."

???

Those of us defending it are saying "its good. Its not great. but its not horrible."

None of us are saying its amazing or great.

Blogger Steve, the Dark Ninja of Mockery December 22, 2015 3:44 PM  

Has JJ Abrams made any movies that were good?

Mission Impossible 3 was good. (The great cast helped, it'd be hard for a film starring Tom Cruise and Philip Seymour Hoffman to suck.)

"Super 8" was a horrible pastiche of E.T., but with unlikeable kids and a completely unsympathetic alien. (And we already saw the off-brand E.T. in "Mac and Me".)

I quite enjoyed the first Star Trek reboot, despite the big dumb script. It was a nice change of pace from the increasingly shitty TNG movies that preceded it, and did a respectable job of introducing an all-new cast.

But Into Darkness was so lazy and stupid it made Paul W.S. Anderson look like Alfred Hitchcock.

It was like "Star Trek: 2 Fast 2 Furious", so no big surprise they got Justin Lin to direct the cretinous-looking third instalment.

Blogger Markku December 22, 2015 3:44 PM  

Just came from the theater. Nate is right, it is good. The annoying thing is the recycled plot, but SJW stuff in it doesn't annoy. Also, jedi babe can use sword because her weapon of choice has so far been staff. The beginning underlines this.

Even more moronic is not to realize that the Force is conscious, and is going out of its way to help this girl. This is underlined even more, to the point where I thought the movie is taking me for a moron. But apparently it wasn't too much but too little.

Blogger Nate December 22, 2015 3:45 PM  

"Also, when they gonna learn how to stop building giant space battle stations that don't have a single easily exploited fatal weakness?"

I wouldn't call it easy.

A better option would be to centralize all shield controls so idiot chick captains can't shut them down just because someone puts a blaster to her head.

Blogger Gunnar von Cowtown December 22, 2015 3:46 PM  

@81 "Darth Goth has moles on his sickly pale face that he should get checked out, I mean they give people robot hands but can’t do simple dermatology? You would think the empire would have a good medical plan."

BGS channeling Elvira Mistress of the Dark for the win! I can't read that passage in anyone else's voice.

Blogger Nate December 22, 2015 3:47 PM  

"Even more moronic is not to realize that the Force is conscious, and is going out of its way to help this girl. "

And yet that is an ongoing theme through out the whole Star Wars saga. go back and watch what Obi Wan says when he is explaining the Force to Luke.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper December 22, 2015 3:48 PM  

As Freddy Mercury once sung "Jaws was never my scene and I don't like Star Wars."

As such E7 is very low on my viewing list , just above Mad Max which I have no intention of seeing

All that aside I will say the actress, Daisy Ridley who plays Rey is cute in a scruffy way.

Blogger Drew December 22, 2015 3:49 PM  

One thing about Star Wars, which really distinguishes it from Star Trek, is that big weapons aren't all that useful. Star Destroyers never seem to accomplish all that much. While death stars may seem intimidating at first, they require such large amounts of power that they are unstable and always seem to get blown up. Fighters, small ships, and trained men with lightsabers are the key.

Anonymous VFM #0410 December 22, 2015 3:49 PM  

At least as good as Luke? Are you drunk?

Not yet. It's only 3:45, give it time. It's definitely shaping up to be a Scotch-and-cigar day, though.

Kylo wasn't even fully trained and he was wrecking her. He could've killed her any time he wanted. And he was severely wounded.

He was wounded, yes. But she cut him up good, too. I didn't get the impression that he could have cut her down whenever he wanted to. With the stormtrooper, though, yes, absolutely. But that's another point... At least Finn's character had used the saber in a fight (earlier, against another stormtrooper). Rey hadn't *at all* and she wielded it about as well as Luke did in Empire, half-trained by Yoda.

She was also able to perform the mind trick on a stormtrooper, summon the lightsaber with the force... all things Luke needed training from Yoda to accomplish. She did this without training which was a bit much.

Anonymous DT December 22, 2015 3:51 PM  

@114 - if there's one thing the prequels got right, it's the dueling between highly trained force users. By design or accident, the prequel duels look like fights between highly trained, superhuman precogs. You can see and feel the loss of skill and technique after the fall of the old republic.

TPM Obi Wan...a padawan by the standards of the time...would wreck anyone in the later movies except Palpatine. (In Vader's case that could be explained as physical limitations due to his suit.)

Anonymous PraetorDrew December 22, 2015 3:53 PM  

I think this movie went in the wrong direction. The prequels showed off the majesty and grandeur of the Jedi, and opened up the world to show us stunning landscapes. If only Star Wars had continued this route. I wish that it had the grandeur and pomp and splendor of the opening sequence of Final Fantasy 8. That would have been a move worthy of worship, one that portrays the Jedi a exalted gods. It's why I originally worked so hard to get into the fan film scene.

But alas!

Blogger praetorian December 22, 2015 3:54 PM  

Sorry -- don't understand your point?

I don't expect you to, Sam.

Re-watching the original series with my boys right now. It's pretty striking how red-pilled Solo and Lando are. No way those movies would get made today.

Blogger Markku December 22, 2015 3:55 PM  

Rey hadn't *at all* and she wielded it about as well as Luke did in Empire, half-trained by Yoda.

But the beginning implies that she has fought with a staff all her life.

She won the fight because the Force gave her a megaboost - which is again underlined to the point where you want to shout YES, I GET IT!

Gamma Jedi was just trying to tire her out and then persuade her to join the dark side. Gamma jedi didn't expect Force Megaboost.

Anonymous VFM #410 December 22, 2015 3:55 PM  

Those of us defending it are saying "its good. Its not great. but its not horrible."

It's definitely not great, and it's definitely better than the prequels. That much I will agree on. Otherwise... the first half was pretty solid, the second half was too SJW-ish for my taste. I guess if we're averaging it out, I'd call it a mediocre story. But it looks nice, that's for sure.

Blogger luagha December 22, 2015 3:55 PM  

@110

She doesn't have to be someone's kid. She could be a clone.

"Clone, clone of my own,
With the Y chromosome changed to X
And after it's grown,
my own little clone,
Will be of the opposite sex." -Isaac Asimov, The Clone Song

Anonymous I am a Hat December 22, 2015 3:57 PM  

@#129

???

Those of us defending it are saying "its good. Its not great. but its not horrible."

None of us are saying its amazing or great.



I don't think I was clear earlier. I was referring to the general consensus of critics/viewers/SJW defenders, not readers of this blog.

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Blogger S1AL December 22, 2015 3:59 PM  

Rey is a grown Anakin in abilities. Pretty much a carbon copy with regards to mechanical aptitude, piloting skills, and natural force affinity. That's not good writing, but it's not unprecedented by the series.

Anonymous VFM #0410 December 22, 2015 3:59 PM  

She won the fight because the Force gave her a megaboost - which is again underlined to the point where you want to shout YES, I GET IT!

Well, that is the title "THE FORCE AWAKENS." But if the force is megaboosting her, why not just have her kill the little twerp?

Gamma Jedi was just trying to tire her out and then persuade her to join the dark side. Gamma jedi didn't expect Force Megaboost.

I admit, I lol'd at "Gamma Jedi." Imagine Scalzi with a lightsaber...

Blogger Troy Lee Messer December 22, 2015 3:59 PM  

I like episode 7. I saw Episode 4 in the theatres. I was 11. I loved it.

As for Episode 7, I went into it just wanting to be entertained for 2 hours and that happened. I went with my daughter who is a star wars fan and it was fun family event. IMHO, the only openly SJW moment was when Han said to Finn something like "don't lie to women, they always learn the truth."

I still remember being in the theatres at the end of Empire. Luke had been defeated. Han was on ice. And the rebels were on the run. All I could think of was, "fuck, I have to wait three more years to find out is going to happen. This is going to suck." I felt the same way at the end of this movie. I want to see what happens to all of the characters. I did think Finn was a bit of a pussy, but I will give him one more movie to redeem himself.

@122 I agree. Rey still lost the light saber fight to an untrained Ben Solo, badly IMHO. All she did was manage to not get killed. And if Luke turns out to be a super super badass, that will diminish Rey.


Anonymous Red Comet December 22, 2015 3:59 PM  

Force Awakens is the worst movie I’ve seen all year. It was worse than The Phantom Menace and that’s not a joke. It had poor plotting, poor pacing, bad acting, and a plot with more holes than a shirt you’ve worn to the gym for 10 years. This is an abysmal and cynical film even discounting any and all political criticisms.
The new actors, with the exception of Oscar Issac, have zero charisma. The main characters are both very shallow stock characters and so Daisy Ridley and John Boyega don’t have much to work with. They have no chemistry when on screen together as friends or anything else. I don’t even think she’d glance over at him if they happened to pass each other on the street. Issac and Boyega, on the other hand, actually play off each other pretty decently and you can believe they might be friends or co-workers. If the people that made this film weren’t such hacks they’d have seen this and juggled the film to keep Issac around instead of writing him out for most of it.
Nothing about the Darth Emo character makes any sense. We never find out why he hates his parents. We never find out why he turned to the dark side (a general problem for many Star Wars characters). Why does his mother think there’s “good in him” and why does he “feel the pull of the light side”? In his first scene he wipes out a village without a second thought and spends the rest of the movie torturing people. He doesn’t have depth. He’s cartoonishly evil.
The movie starts going at a lightning pace after the first 15 minutes or so and gives the overall feeling that all this stuff is just randomly happening. And there’s way too many coincidences in service to this pacing, like how the Millennium Falcon just happens to be in that junkyard and how Luke’s lightsaber just happens to be in the basement of that bar. Vital connective story tissue is missing and it is desperately needed to flesh out the characters. Just think what a scene where Han Solo and Rey have a heart-to-heart could have given us. We could have found out a bit more about Rey’s past and Solo’s relationship to his son and maybe we’d actually care when Solo finally confronts Darth Emo or actually believe it when it’s said Rey thinks of Han Solo as a father figure.
I also reject what some people say about this “feeling like a Star Wars film.” No, it “feels” like another hack job J.J. Abrams film like Star Trek Into Darkness. Abrams’ Stark Trek films were generic space opera blockbusters full of people larping as Star Trek characters and this movie is the same except now they’re larping Star Wars. The nostalgia porn is there to trick people who were kids when A New Hope came out into thinking they just saw a good film. Trust someone who was born after the original trilogy came out: you didn’t.
Ultimately this thing was made to start up Star Wars as a Marvel Cinematic Universe style franchise. It’s completely cynical and soulless and it shows. When Luke Skywalker shot down a TIE Fighter in A New Hope and cheered, I believed it because he was a simple farmboy on the adventure of a lifetime. When Boyega shot down a TIE Fighter and cheered it was because the script said to.

Anonymous Minion #414 December 22, 2015 3:59 PM  

I called this weeks ago; even sent a note to the dark lord himself based on nothing more than the poster and comments made by JJ Abrams.

Blogger Bullitt315 December 22, 2015 4:00 PM  

@80

Furthermore, no one really wants to see a woman get beat up

Agree with the general sentiment but there's a Rousey exception in there.

Anonymous kfg December 22, 2015 4:04 PM  

"What should the Star Wars prequels have looked like? How should the post-Jedi story actually proceeded?"

Like a historical Japanese epic, only with shiny plastic costumes.

Blogger Nate December 22, 2015 4:04 PM  

"Well, that is the title "THE FORCE AWAKENS." But if the force is megaboosting her, why not just have her kill the little twerp?"

Because the little twerp has to be grown up and trained into a super badass badguy

Blogger luagha December 22, 2015 4:05 PM  

@151 I am forced to submit to your impeccable logic. :)

And another thing: Han Solo is supposed to be bringing his little boy home. They have stun weapons in this universe; all he has to do is click his blaster to Stun and shoot him in the back. Classic Han move, right? But no.

(Yeah, probably wouldn't have worked with the whole energy powers thing, but still, now that I said it, you wanted to see it, right?)

Blogger Markku December 22, 2015 4:05 PM  

Well, that is the title "THE FORCE AWAKENS." But if the force is megaboosting her, why not just have her kill the little twerp?

Because it's the Light Side of the force, and the Light Side is a passive-aggressive little ****. It doesn't do anything lethal, it just helps the Jedi take lethal action and then washes its hands from it. In this case, Jedi Babe received supernatural concentration.

Blogger Drew December 22, 2015 4:10 PM  

@154

Han's weapon doesn't have a "stun" setting.

Blogger Nate December 22, 2015 4:11 PM  

" And if Luke turns out to be a super super badass, that will diminish Rey."

It would be fun if they turned the whole thing on its head and had Ben getting totally wrecked by Luke the way Vader wrecked Luke in Empire.

only then to have Ben double down on the training and set up the fight between Luke and Rae and Giant Hologram Guy and Kylo

Blogger Nate December 22, 2015 4:12 PM  

Also... Giant Hologram Guy...


Anakin's great grand dad?

Blogger dc.sunsets December 22, 2015 4:13 PM  

it is absolutely about politics

It's about things much deeper than politics.

And every single thing produced in multimedia from New York City to Hollywood is part of the HiveMind.

There is no seam between the "News" and drama. It's all mind control of astonishing depth.

Blogger Red Jack December 22, 2015 4:14 PM  

Part of the issue is that there are so few good writers anymore. The producers will skimp on the writing to pay for actors and effects. The problem is, without good writing all the effects are useless. Disney knows this, so I am kind of surprised at the reviews (well, only a little bit).

Haven't seen it yet, and in no hurry to. I loved Star Wars as a kid, but the shine wore thin a long time ago. I was in my teens when the plot holes started to get to me, and in college with the prequels came out. But they are supposed to be a kids movie. At sometime, you put those things away.

I would rather see a movie on some of Mr Wrights stuff.

Anonymous VFM #0410 December 22, 2015 4:14 PM  

Because the little twerp has to be grown up and trained into a super badass badguy

"Because the script said so" in other words. A better way they could have done it is have Rey lose... and lose obviously. The twerp walks toward them, tries to use the force to take the saber from her. But the force helps her a little. He can't take it from her (just like his mind-reading failed).

Have Finn and her both fight him at the same time, one with the blaster, one with the saber. It'd be an interesting fight to watch. Have Finn get nailed by a deflected bolt, or one that Kylo steers toward him. On her own, Rey loses. But she's able to force-push him or something, as he's about to cut her down. Again, a little help from the force, nothing crazy.

The land cuts apart, as it did in the actual movie, and the twerp walks away, disappointed and confused.

She just barely survives, and only then because the force "helped" her a little, and because he was wounded. Less suspension of disbelief.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr December 22, 2015 4:15 PM  

@155 Markku:

That sort of thing bothered me, too.

I can see the Light Side being useful only for defense, knowledge, and healing. And the Dark Side for attack and information.

It would make any fight scene a bear to choreograph...A Jedi has superb defense, mediocre offense. A Sith has incredible offense, only average defense. I'm not sure it can be conveyed on screen, but the point could be made in other ways.

Blogger luagha December 22, 2015 4:15 PM  

@157 Another thing that annoyed me is that all of the characters are fresh-faced tweens from a Young Adult novel, even the elderly characters who have not in fact 'grown up'.

There are no middle-aged adults on the screen anywhere probably because if there were we'd be shocked into reality by seeing an adult.

And the elderly don't show any wisdom or understanding of themselves or others the way that Alex Guinness did with just a few words or motions or expressions.

Blogger luagha December 22, 2015 4:17 PM  

Giant Hologram Guy: totally compensating.

Palpatine could convey menace in six inches of hologram.

Blogger Skylark Thibedeau December 22, 2015 4:18 PM  

I thought on seeing this that Abrams originally wanted a reboot with younger actors like he did with Star Trek, but the Mouse said No. He did it anyway writhe lots of fan service to the old films. He changed the names race and genders of the old crew.

Blogger Markku December 22, 2015 4:19 PM  

Well, that is the title "THE FORCE AWAKENS." But if the force is megaboosting her, why not just have her kill the little twerp?

Because it's the Light Side of the force, and the Light Side is a passive-aggressive little ****. It doesn't do anything lethal, it just helps the Jedi take lethal action and then washes its hands from it. In this case, Jedi Babe received supernatural concentration.

Anonymous OddR0b December 22, 2015 4:20 PM  

I just couldn't get over the fact that Rey had to be an expert in literally every aspect that mattered. She can fly the Millennium Falcon like an ace. She can repair the Falcon better than the person who flew it pretty much his whole career. She can use the force to escape captivity having only learned of its existence about 15 minutes prior. She picks off storm troopers from 50 yards with a pistol she'd never seen before with no effort. Then there's the whole light saber fight.

She has no weakness or vulnerability, and if she did we wouldn't know because her character development is completely absent.

There is no sense of drama or suspense with Rey. To say the force somehow "focused" on her to give her these abilities is tantamount Deus Ex Machina.

Blogger Skylark Thibedeau December 22, 2015 4:21 PM  

I thought on seeing this that Abrams originally wanted a reboot with younger actors like he did with Star Trek, but the Mouse said No. He did it anyway writhe lots of fan service to the old films. He changed the names race and genders of the old crew.

Blogger S1AL December 22, 2015 4:21 PM  

In line with markku's comment, I would have liked a back story based on Ben deciding that the dark side was the way to go, and that Vader's big mistake was being led around by the Emperor. So he killed Snoke, and the projection is an AI to keep the space Nazis in line. The emo act is a front.

Anonymous VFM 360 December 22, 2015 4:22 PM  

Interesting that no one has mentioned the interracial love story being forced upon us. Curious.

Blogger Markku December 22, 2015 4:24 PM  

We have seen a backstory about a gamma succumbing to gamma rage and becoming super-rage gamma because he didn't get the girl. We don't want to see it again

Blogger John Wright December 22, 2015 4:25 PM  

"If the character were a man, you'd be raving about how great it was that Abrams was able to ignore decades of indoctrination, and how he hearkened back to classic, archetypal heroes of the pulps from the 30s and 40s."

Except that is exactly wrong. I cannot think of a single traditional action flick where one guy sees a little guy having the stuffing kicked out of him, he runs toward the action to save the little guy, but the little guy trashes his three heavier opponents before would-be rescuer gets there, and acts peeved rather than nonchalant.

Again, if Captain Kirk had been locked in the torture chamber of the First Order, and he SUDDENLY and with NO TRAINING used the Vulcan Mind Melt on a Klingon guard, I would called bullshite. That was bad writing 101.

She should have used her telekinesis to unlock the restraints, anyway.

What was wrong with Princess Leia? She needed rescuing, but she was feisty and could shoot a blaster. (Not ladylike, but she was a supposes to be an archetypal American anyway, not a princess.)

Blogger S1AL December 22, 2015 4:30 PM  

@John Wright - I was under the impression she was modeled after the Princess of Mars.

Blogger Jourdan December 22, 2015 4:30 PM  

If you want a good Star Wars experience, skip the Disney product and play Obsidian's Knights of the Old Republic II.

Anonymous map December 22, 2015 4:32 PM  

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/seth-abramson/40-unforgivable-plot-holes-in-star-wars-the-force-awakens_b_8850324.html

The better question to ask is: why does Abramson love the film? What is there to love when something of this caliber is so poorly constructed? Don’t the plot holes detract from the movie.

Of course, it is easy to understand why Abramson loved it and why the movie was constructed in such a way. The main objective is to promote the Magic-Negro/Magic-Woman narrative on which Star Wars is going to base the rest of its franchise. The idea is to burnish the image of the MN/MW not only beyond the character backstory, but also beyond the limits of the Star Wars universe itself. Both Finn and Rey are supposed to have superior moral sensibility, technical knowledge, and natural talent simply because they are black and a woman. That’s how a metal scavenger and a janitor somehow have advanced combat skills and can fly and repair rusted out hulks for ships.

But what is more important is to understand the role of the First Order. The First Order represents Western Civilization and Christianity. It is why Kylo Ren’s lightsaber is shaped like a Cross. BlackLivesMatter + Feminism is pitted against the superior genetics and training of Darth Vader’s grandson, which is indicative of the First Order (read: Western Civilization) in general. Discipline, advanced technology, single minded purpose and superior organization all combine to make Western Civilization a formidable foe. The reason why General Hux, for example, gathers his army before he destroys the Republic worlds is because JJ Abrams wants to contrast the appearance of the gathered First Order forces with the hedonistic imagery of the Republic worlds themselves, which looked like the Capitol from The Hunger Games.

There are not really plot holes. These are just Leni Riefenstahl-levels of anti-white/anti-Christian propaganda.

Notice, for example, how there is no other Jedi. There is a random X-Wing fighter pilot charged with carrying sensitive material, played by a talentless, squat Hispanic. Adding another Jedi would have rounded out the cast and given the story greater plausibility, but it would it would interfere with the MN/MW narrative. Notice also how Rey has absolutely no friends or family on her home planet. She is always alone…like a strong, independent woman. She has to seek her companionship among negros. Furthermore, Han and Leia are the liberal parents wondering how their son got into that Catholic Cult and notice how most of the other actors are basically unattractive.

You have to really understand how absurd it was for Rey and Finn to take on Kylo Ren. In the beginning of the movie, Poe, the fighter pilot, fires a blaster bolt at Kylo Ren. Ren freezes the bolt in mid-air. You get that dramatic scene where Poe is captured by the Stormtrooper and his eyes hang on the dangling bolt as he is dragged past it to be interrogated by Ren. Well, Ren kept that bolt dangling in the air for the entire scene at the massacred village. It was dangling when he interrogated his prisoners. It was dangling when he surveyed the scene. It was dangling when he eyeballed Finn. The bolt was released when he got back on his ship. Basically, Kylo Ren was multi-tasking on a Force power. He could have easily killed the main characters and ended this terrible movie.

Anonymous Stephen J. December 22, 2015 4:38 PM  

"What should the Star Wars prequels have looked like? How should the post-Jedi story actually proceeded?"

I think the ultimate theme of STAR WARS is the idea that people who are aware of the greater moral dimension of our lives and actions can ultimately be more effective in the universe than those who see life as only a pragmatic game of survival, hedonism or politics. And once you become aware of that moral dimension you can ultimately dedicate yourself only to one of two goals: peace and cooperation (the Light) or power, war, and domination (the Dark). To make it even more complicated, you have to maintain at least a little of the seed of your own opposite within you to prosper: the Jedi Order sowed its downfall through its inability to help Anakin come to terms with the pain of losing his love, while the Emperor died through his inability to grasp that Anakin still could choose love of anything but power.

For the prequels I would have wanted the following:
-- Rewrite Lucas's dialogue.
-- Less CGI, more models.
-- More explanation behind "Jedi don't have attachments". One fan theory which I like is that Anakin's and Padme's relationship was partly an unconscious whammying from Anakin's Force-powers; I would also have explained that Jedi are like priests or diplomats, constantly having to travel all over the galaxy because they are very few and in immense demand, which makes families and loyalties difficult.

For the sequels:
-- To me the thinking behind Rey's hyperfast proficiency felt less like "women have to be better than men" than like "we've *seen* the training storyline before, the audience will get bored if we repeat it". (Never attribute to malice anything that is adequately explained by laziness, sloppiness or panic.)
- Finn and Phasma should have had more interaction prior to his defection. If Phasma had been a mentor figure to Finn, then his defection would have been a *personal* betrayal, adding weight to the moral choice to forsake Dark for Light.
- Han should have been undercover looking for First Order vessels and a clue to his son's whereabouts, not actually a smuggler who left his wife. I would have liked a Han who had real elder statesman gravitas, rather than a man simply weighted down by his losses.
- More explanation of the Republic/Resistance/Order political dynamics, both internally and externally; perhaps there are a good many uncommitted worlds whose allegiance has to be won between the factions, and the existence of the starkiller weapon is a critical disruptant to that balance of power. And what does the Order want, beyond simply power and rule? All totalitarianisms justify themselves somehow; the Empire justified itself as providing stability and peace after the Clone Wars in the wake of the Republic's failure. What's the Order's justification?
- More sense of scale. In Ep IV and V you get a sense that it takes *time* to travel from place to place. Ep VII was so frantically paced that it often felt to me like ships were taking mere minutes to fly between planets, and I blame this wholly on the demands of modern MTV-spoiled audiences.
- The systemkiller weapon should be something extremely *small*, like, say, a hand-carried "tacnuke" singularity in a dimension-shunt box. The race against time is not to blow it up but to *find* it; maybe it's set upon a solar-windmill power station, the "Sunweir", so that it can be gotten by hand as close to the star as possible.
- A new alien race and character more like the Wookies than Yoda, somebody who (in game terms) is a PC rather than an NPC. I love Chewbacca but he's old school by now. Give us a new character in that role.

I think I'd have to see EpVII again (I know, big sacrifice) to think about a more coherent script and storyline.

Blogger collisioncat67 December 22, 2015 4:39 PM  

@64
I was 15 years old when the original Star Wars movie debuted. I had been a huge fan of the original Star Trek television series and I was fascinated and eager to view this new science fiction film that was being introduced.

Then scenes, film clips, and characters from the movie made their way to the TV.

Alas, I was so turned off by the C-3PO and R2-D2 characters, ...and the overly dramatic theme song that I never did bother seeing the flick.

At this point I have never seen a single Star Wars movie.

The weird thing is, as I sit and reflect upon this: I don't feel that bad about it.

Anonymous VFM #0410 December 22, 2015 4:40 PM  

@175: he First Order represents Western Civilization and Christianity. It is why Kylo Ren’s lightsaber is shaped like a Cross.

Well, this is why we have an Evil Legion of Evil, a Supreme Dark Lord, and a host of Vile Faceless Minions. The other side calls us the Empire all the time. Might as well go with it.

Anonymous WaterBoy December 22, 2015 4:45 PM  

Markku @155: "Because it's the Light Side of the force, and the Light Side is a passive-aggressive little ****. It doesn't do anything lethal, it just helps the Jedi take lethal action and then washes its hands from it."

The Force awakens, and has two sides, Light and Dark.

So...it is sentient...and has DID...and is fighting a proxy war between itself using Jedi and Sith.

Sounds like Fight Club.

Blogger Chris Nelson December 22, 2015 4:46 PM  

Star Wars - "All the advantages of Christianity and alcohol; none of their defects."

Why would you give money to people that despise you for a few hours of entertainment when you have other choices?

Do you know who "loves" this film? The SJWs at Vile 770 love this film. A good chunk of the Sad Puppies love this film. And they won't even discuss any ethical limitations when it comes to entertainment. Apparently the visual media gets an Affirmative Action pass while the written word has to stand on merit.

People that are critical of genre writing and wouldn't buy any "Ancillary Dinosaur" crud, will drop their mental shields because it's ""Star Wars"" and they want special effects to take them back to their childhood.

It's ironic that the largest media empire is selling a badly crafted story of "rebellion" and people eat it up like soma.

Blogger luagha December 22, 2015 4:47 PM  

@175 Yeah, and the badly-done Hitler speech by the cross-bearing Western Civilization Empire. I mean, there's film of the Hitler. If you're going to do a Hitler speech, do your research. Hitler drove the audience, he didn't lose control.

Anonymous Roundtine December 22, 2015 4:48 PM  

the Force is conscious, and is going out of its way to help this girl

Sounds more like grooming her. Look at the name! "The Force." It is rape culture.

Blogger Nate December 22, 2015 4:49 PM  

"Interesting that no one has mentioned the interracial love story being forced upon us. Curious."

Because it doesn't come across that way at all.

and if it is going that way.. the actors are completely incompetent. The chick playing Rae is as turned off by the dahkie as the other girl was turned off by that punk playing annakin.

Like I said.. its really awkward when she hugs him. Its the friendzone hug.

Blogger John Wright December 22, 2015 4:49 PM  

@80

"I'm sure John Wright could put this better and already did in his book of essays on the topic"

Maybe, but CS Lewis said it better than I did: “But battles are ugly when women fight”

Anonymous Josh M. December 22, 2015 4:52 PM  

The prequels didn't work, in part, because it took the full length of all three films for Anakin to become Vader. Plus, his motivation for turning to the dark side was weak.

The first three episodes should have been condensed into Episodes I & II (with a stronger motivating factor for Anakin), with a different episode III showing Vader in action, tightening his grip on the Empire. That could have been a very, very dark film, which would lead nicely into an episode appropriately called 'A New Hope'.

Blogger Nate December 22, 2015 4:53 PM  

"If you want a good Star Wars experience, skip the Disney product and play Obsidian's Knights of the Old Republic II."

Funny how good the game storylines have been in comparison.

Force Unleashed was another excellent storyline.

Blogger Dystopic December 22, 2015 4:57 PM  

@183: Because it doesn't come across that way at all.

I agree with this. Finn was friendzoned. Or, at least it appears that way because there is no chemistry between the characters. If they try to push a relationship between them in the next movies, it would be idiotic.

Blogger David-093 December 22, 2015 5:07 PM  

"Funny how good the game storylines have been in comparison."

KOTOR II was easily the best Star Wars storyline since Empire. And the cross-saber of Kylo Ren is the coolest light saber design since Darth Mauls double-saber.

Blogger S1AL December 22, 2015 5:10 PM  

Heck, the trailers for The Old Republic (mmorpg) would have made great movies.

Blogger Nate December 22, 2015 5:13 PM  

Here's the thing kids. This isn't message fiction.

You can stamp your feet and cry all you want. It isn't.

OpenID Jack Amok December 22, 2015 5:22 PM  

The whole story works if Luke has turned. If I were writing it... Luke would've been wearing that black mask... fullfilling his father's wish. Particularly since Yoda predicted it would happen and yoda tends to be right a lot.

Yep, that would work. Who says it has to be a fucking Jedi who brings balance to The Force? Maybe it ends up being a Sith, who succumbs to the Darks Side and then fights his own demons to reclaim his soul. Vader at the end realized he'd been betrayed. Luke could take it one step farther.

But that requires a sophistication of storytelling studio bigwigs believe is beyond their audiences. They may very well be right.

Anonymous Minion #414 December 22, 2015 5:29 PM  

"Here's the thing kids. This isn't message fiction."

My ass.

Abrams said as such it is.

It is as clear as the poster for all to see.

Magic kick ass power girl and magic negro.

Anonymous YIH December 22, 2015 5:31 PM  

@9. grey enlightenment:
That's pretty much my take on it too. Late summer/early fall it'll be out on DVD then it's time to hit Pirate Bay (I have no qualms about starving Hollywood of sheckels).
We all now know that the series are little more than extended toy ads. Which explains the Ewoks and their scenes, plush toys for little kids - they were superfluous to the plot.
The MPAI fans will gobble up this like candy (example here) as the box office numbers show.
For me, I may watch it (or not) but I'll do so where I can hit play, pause, or even stop as needed - ''the movie theater experience'' is vastly overrated.

Blogger Chris Nelson December 22, 2015 5:33 PM  

@ 190 "Here's the thing kids. This isn't message fiction."

LOL!

Are you the new court jester? Girl wins on "magical talent" instead of hard work and merit? That's "pure" message fiction.

Blogger ray December 22, 2015 5:39 PM  

They put it out at Christmas I mean The Holiday Season so you'd wolf down your entertainment pudding, while swallowing the fem-totalitarian subtexts. People who know better, as this thread illustrates, still happily consume this I-feel-better-now nostalgia of an America long-deceased, then send their daughters off to Indoctrinate U. Then hammer on the table and complain the country's going downhill. Somebody should do something!

You can't even discipline yourselves to reject this tired you-go globalist propaganda of female supplanting male, yet you imagine you're going to 'fix' your broken nations.

I want my toy. I want my toy! I don't care if the house is on fire I WANT MY TOY.

Blogger S1AL December 22, 2015 5:41 PM  

Certainly a lot of you *want* this to be message fiction.

Anonymous tublecane December 22, 2015 5:44 PM  

"the Light Side is a passive-aggressive little ****. It doesn't do anything lethal"

I suppose the light side didn't help Luke blow up the Death Star, Vader kill the Emperor, Obi Wan kill Darth Maul, Obi Wan nearly kill Anakin, various Jedi kill entire planets worth of Stormtroopers and assorted baddies, etc.

OpenID baduin December 22, 2015 5:49 PM  

If anyone wants to write a better version of Star Wars, it would help to realize that both Dark and Light versions of Force are quite real, and very influential. (According to some, those two plus the Jews are the three conspiracies which govern the world.)
http://mailstar.net/index.html

The Dark Side of the Force are Machiavellians.
( see Against Throne and Altar: Machiavelli and Political Theory Under the English Republic by Paul A. Rahe)

The Bright Side of Life faction goes back to Spinoza and Leibniz. (See Radical Enlightenment: Philosophy and the Making of Modernity 1650-1750 by Jonathan Israel.)

Those books are interesting, because both authors clearly belong to factions which they describe.

The key point is: all three factions share common goals, the differences are tactical.

Eg in the famous Leibniz - Newton conflict, (Newton was a voluntarist and Machiavellian, Leibniz was one of the founders of the Progressive faction) both of them worked to move Hanoverians to England, the difference was the exact ideology to be promoted in England. Newton won that one, and Leibniz was left back in Hannover.

Lucas belongs to the Light Side, of course, which is why he is helping them promote Buddhism, which, together with narcotics, is one of their priorities since sixties. (It seems to me that Machiavellians prefer Islam.)

Because Lucas belongs to the Bright Side, he cannot show any rational transition to the Dark Side - he would have to argue against himself. But there are many reasons - eg for the Bright Side Progressives freedom is meaningless, since they believe in fate. Shut up, close your eyes and obey the Force.

Blogger Danby December 22, 2015 5:49 PM  

Leia is every bit the feminist super girl in it.

Oh really? Whose ass did she kick? Where's the awesome super ninja-girl fight scene where Leia kicks the ass of a man who out-reaches her by 10" and out weighs her by 75 lbs? Or better, a series of stupid white men?

She strangles an almost immobile Jabba in the dark. We see her out-drive a couple of troopers on a speeder bike, and ... what?

That's about it.

Anonymous Minion #414 December 22, 2015 5:50 PM  

"Certainly a lot of you *want* this to be message fiction."

The enemy has stated it is, I take them at their word here.

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