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Thursday, December 10, 2015

The long march continues

We haven't won the cultural war for SF/F yet. We haven't even begun to start winning it yet. But we are advancing.



It was interesting to see that he didn't even hesitate before giving the correct answer. In any event, with the end of December approaching, it is time to start thinking about putting together the list of next year's nominees recommendations.

The International Lord of Hate's take:
Some Puppy supporters didn’t like how it was phrased, with “scandal” having negative implications. Personally, I like it. Especially the part where they used “Rocked”. Damn right. Rocked you like a hurricane. The scandal was the part where the CHORFs ran a lying media smear campaign, and handed out wooden butt holes, while block voting No Award to keep out barbarian Wrongfans having Wrongfun.

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Blogger Krul December 10, 2015 11:27 AM  

Is The Martian eligible?

Blogger Hammerli280 December 10, 2015 11:28 AM  

I think the biggest question with nominations will be whether we want to play it straight and nominate the best contenders, or use the opportunity to poison the well a bit.

After what happened at the last Worldcon, I'd tend to play it straight. Make the opposition take the responsibility for smashing the Hugos. It'll make the creation of a new award more palatable.

Anonymous The Kurgan December 10, 2015 11:28 AM  

Oh I think some of us can help a little with 2016 soon.Very soon.

Blogger Jill December 10, 2015 11:38 AM  

Rock You Like a Hurricane=best song ever.

Blogger Astrosmith December 10, 2015 11:41 AM  

Here's my nomination for Best Dramatic Presentation, Short Form:

MLP:FIM Season 5, episodes 1/2, The Cutie Map

Why?

First, it would make their heads explode to have the Puppies nominate the Ponies.

Second, these episodes basically tell the Animal Farm/1984 story in Pony terms. It's really incredible, you should check it out.

Blogger maniacprovost December 10, 2015 11:45 AM  

I'm willing to nominate My Little Pony as long as I don't have to watch it. It's a great show. Watched only by children. With no associated fan fiction. Yep. *shudder*

OpenID malcolmthecynic December 10, 2015 11:48 AM  

My thought is that Rabid Puppies' job should be to nominate all of the SJW's while Sad Puppies try and put in the best contenders.

Blogger Cataline Sergius December 10, 2015 11:50 AM  

Question:

Does Lois Bujold's new one qualify? It's out on EARC but the proper launch isn't' until February.

This one is likely to be a favorite amongst the CHORFS of Worldcon. It features a seriously post child bearing Cordelia finding new life and love.

Blogger Cataline Sergius December 10, 2015 11:52 AM  

@1

Definitely not. It was self published back in 2011.

Anonymous A Visitor December 10, 2015 11:52 AM  

Audio was low on that clip, had to jack my volume up to hear "Hugo Awards."

Blogger Krul December 10, 2015 11:55 AM  

@9

Hrrm. Well, how about the movie? I haven't seen it, but I here it's good.

Anonymous Bah December 10, 2015 12:05 PM  

The annoying "-gate" suffix long ago jumped the shark.

Blogger Astrosmith December 10, 2015 12:12 PM  

#6, I have young children. If you do as well, it's a better show to watch with them than most.

Blogger Torial December 10, 2015 12:14 PM  

I think the movie is fair game.

I for one want Somewhither nominated... although the Hugos aren't worthy of it.

Blogger Cataline Sergius December 10, 2015 12:16 PM  

@11

The movie is no problem. It will probably win the Hhugo anyway.

No, wait. Star Wars is going to qualify just barely as well.

Blogger Torial December 10, 2015 12:18 PM  

We should nominate Age of Ultron movie, it was decent, and had lots of SJWs in arms.

Blogger CM December 10, 2015 12:32 PM  

MLP:FIM Season 5, episodes 1/2, The Cutie Map

YES! I suggested this for a Pony Hugo nom a while ago, lol.

Anonymous bw December 10, 2015 12:41 PM  

"Well, youve made the big time at last.." - Bad Company

Blogger Red Jack December 10, 2015 12:44 PM  

The long march...

It took the followers of Gramsci a hundred years to have total victory in the educational arena. I suspect we will push forward in the media field much faster.

Blogger Red Jack December 10, 2015 12:46 PM  

@13 I am going to nominate Somewhither. It is honestly the best new book I have read in some time. And it is the only new book that I have read again a month after buying it.

The Mistress of the Whips may beat me for it (please?) but I will put it on the ballet.

Anonymous Viidad December 10, 2015 12:50 PM  

I wish we could get Son of the Black Sword on there.

Anonymous Viidad December 10, 2015 12:51 PM  

We also have some great "fan fiction" that showed up this year.

Blogger Torial December 10, 2015 1:00 PM  

Would love a compilation of Steve's ninja mockery for a best related work.

Blogger Dexter December 10, 2015 1:07 PM  

No less than five Halo novels came out in 2015... each of them is at least as worthy of a Hugo as Scalzi's latest offering... not that I have read the Halo books or Scalzi's latest...

Anonymous Nathan December 10, 2015 1:11 PM  

@23

The fact that Halo is no longer published through Tor is also promising.

Blogger Nate December 10, 2015 1:21 PM  

"handed out wooden butt holes"

Holy shit do I love Larry.

Blogger Daniel December 10, 2015 1:24 PM  

I second the Halo novels. They won't abandon the nominations and they probably would bring in a hell of a lot of gamers.

Blogger Nate December 10, 2015 1:26 PM  

Best Related Work: John Scalzi Banned This Book But He Can Never Ban My Burning Love; A Pretty Pretty Girl Dreams of Her Beloved While Pondering Gender Identity, Social Justice, and Body Dysmorphia

Anonymous Leonidas December 10, 2015 1:27 PM  

I'm on board for Somewhither.

Blogger maniacprovost December 10, 2015 1:42 PM  

What about Seveneves? It's dumbed down a little and Vox is right that it panders to political correctness for the first third of the book. Some of that is subverted later. However I'd still say it's as good as most of his work. My biggest problem is not the politics, but the fact that the plot does not have an overarching conclusion.

Blogger maniacprovost December 10, 2015 1:43 PM  

Also it would be hard for the SJWs to denounce a book that has a smug science popularizer who "debunks" global warming deniers and creationists.

Blogger Nate December 10, 2015 1:45 PM  

Also obviously the ATF Show should be nominated for fan cast

Blogger MendoScot December 10, 2015 1:46 PM  

Nominate everyone who has said that they would refuse the nomination if we voted for them.

Blogger Nate December 10, 2015 1:47 PM  

in fact now that I think about it... Vile Faceless Minion radio would be an excellent BTR show for covering the hugos

Blogger VD December 10, 2015 1:48 PM  

The fact that Halo is no longer published through Tor is also promising.

Interesting. I expected that, but not so soon. Who is publishing them?

Blogger dh December 10, 2015 1:48 PM  

Video game ties in are such a huge part of the industry that this is very interesting. I always wondered what exactly they needed any mainline publisher for. It's freakin' Microsoft you know.

Blogger VD December 10, 2015 1:49 PM  

Nominate everyone who has said that they would refuse the nomination if we voted for them.

What part of SJWs Always Lie did you find hard to understand. Never, ever, count on an SJW doing what he says he'll do. Never bother trying to "that just proves" one either. You can't shame the shameless.

Anonymous Nathan December 10, 2015 1:58 PM  

@VD

Simon & Schuster, sometimes through their Gallery imprint.

Blogger Alexander December 10, 2015 1:58 PM  

Somewhither unquestionably, though as has been said - the Hugo Awards aren't worthy of it.

But it's the best book I've read in the past year, hands down. And the particular evil that defines our own dimension will cause rabbit outcry, so more points.

Blogger Nate December 10, 2015 2:00 PM  

"What part of SJWs Always Lie did you find hard to understand. Never, ever, count on an SJW doing what he says he'll do. Never bother trying to "that just proves" one either. You can't shame the shameless."

The key would be... you can't do it to all of them. but you can nail one to a wall and make him tear himself down in shame.

The key is to pick the moderates.

A moderate will turn it down. A freak like the Toad will not.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer December 10, 2015 2:30 PM  

@35

Yeah, why not just put it out through Microsoft Press and keep all the money?

Blogger J Melcher December 10, 2015 2:48 PM  

I think Cataline's Bujold suggestion is tactically brilliant -- provided the Puppies get it on a published slate FIRST. That would put Puppy-Kickers in the bind of condemning a female author writing about a technological menage a trois intended to result in several pregnancies -- perhaps revealing the kickers' bias against Baen Books.

That said, I'm not sure the eArc qualifies as "published"

Blogger Cataline Sergius December 10, 2015 2:49 PM  

Does anybody know if Wright is willing to be a lightening rod again?

I think he was actually hoping for one last year and they CHORFS went out of their way to snub him.

Admittedly that is going to be something of an issue anyway.

Well we can always nominate Neal Stephenson and pretend that we know that secretly that Seven Eves was the greatest satire of all time.

Blogger Danby December 10, 2015 2:51 PM  

That said, I'm not sure the eArc qualifies as "published"

Well, since putting a story up on your personal word press blog page where it was seen by approximately 100 of your most dedicated fans counts as published, why not? Make them live by their own rules.

Blogger J Melcher December 10, 2015 2:52 PM  

Again @Cataline, the movie for "The Martian" is clearly worthy and getting it on a slate -- before Puppy Kickers are in motion -- would provoke comical reactions.

Weir has had a couple interesting (and funny) web comics that could be twisted and distorted by reactionary SJWs; which of course would be completely irrelevant to the movie "The Martian".

Blogger Daniel December 10, 2015 2:53 PM  

Gallery Books publishes Halo now.

Blogger Daniel December 10, 2015 2:56 PM  

That's Simon and Schuster, and yeah, they did all 5 this year.

Anonymous Nathan December 10, 2015 3:10 PM  

Daniel's "Safe Space as Rape Room" for Related Work?

Blogger MendoScot December 10, 2015 3:26 PM  

Never, ever, count on an SJW doing what he says he'll do. Never bother trying to "that just proves" one either. You can't shame the shameless.

Either they drop out, or they get no-awarded for being on our slate. The downside I see is they do drop out and leave MacRapey or such nominated. Still fun, but not so much.

Blogger byronfrombyron December 10, 2015 3:46 PM  

"Safe Space as Rape Room" is absolutely deserving writing. Somewither and Son of the Black Sword are excellent(John's book is a bit better), and I need to read through the Between Light and Shadow.

Blogger maniacprovost December 10, 2015 4:03 PM  

Either they drop out, or they get no-awarded for being on our slate.

No, they'll win. Everything else will get no awarded. It's called shameless, blatant inconsistency, which is one of their tactics.

Blogger Were-Puppy December 10, 2015 4:06 PM  

A blast from the past

I lost on Jeapordy

Blogger Were-Puppy December 10, 2015 4:12 PM  

@15 Torial

We should nominate Age of Ultron movie, it was decent, and had lots of SJWs in arms.
---

It was the story of Ultron, a sassy TransHuman AI with daddy issues.

Blogger Were-Puppy December 10, 2015 4:14 PM  

@20 Viidad

I wish we could get Son of the Black Sword on there.
---

ILoH won't accept any HUGOs. I wish he would.

Blogger Danby December 10, 2015 4:21 PM  

ILoH won't accept any HUGOs. I wish he would.

Just because he won't accept them, doesn't mean we can't nominate him.

Blogger Masha K. December 10, 2015 4:25 PM  

@42: The answer is yes, the last I heard. Mr. Wright is indeed still in the game. I cannot in good conscience pass up a chance to nominate Somewhither in any case. It is a truly remarkable novel.

Blogger MendoScot December 10, 2015 4:42 PM  

No, they'll win. Everything else will get no awarded. It's called shameless, blatant inconsistency, which is one of their tactics.

Next year's voting is unpredictable, with so many more voters this year. While many were there to follow the SJW's dogwhistle, others will look at the outcome and question whether that was a wise choice. The rules and the strategy may remain the same, but the tactics won't. I'm assuming that both the SPs and RPs will field larger numbers, but the NWs might actually decline now that they've seen the consequences of a straight anti-puppy vote.

What the yellow horde will do is an unknown, beyond voting for Liu, but if they sign up I doubt that they won't take the opportunity to vote in other categories.

Blogger John Wright December 10, 2015 4:44 PM  

@42
"Does anybody know if Wright is willing to be a lightening rod again? "

Lightning rod for the sputtering sparks of CHORF energy? I get a bigger shock from petting the cat on a dry day after rubbing my stocking feet on the carpet.

I was pleased in a dark and evil way to see the Morlocks burn their own cities rather than allow me be elected mayor. I would have been MORE pleased had he Hugo Awards kept even a modicum of decency and honesty, and actually received the awards I earned, but I cannot expect powerdrunk patheticos to give up on power. I did not expect schoolboy wooden anus jokes, however. That was pathetic.

Numbers wise, I am not sure if we can sweep the nominations again, but I would like to see the Hugos either returned to the old worth, or destroyed utterly. Leaving them in the clammy webbed hands of Christ-hating America-hating, Science-hating, Literature-hating Morlocks is unimaginable to me.

Puppykickers Delenda Est.

Blogger maniacprovost December 10, 2015 4:54 PM  

Somewhither deserves a nod. It's the best thing I've read this year. Well- I'm working on a Frederic Brown compilation, so maybe not.

I'm trying to find some other mainstream novels to read but there are slim pickings. Flex and Flux look good. Has anyone started a puppy-approved reading list yet on goodreads or something?

Anonymous Nathan December 10, 2015 5:07 PM  

@58

Well, the SP4 site is collecting recommendations, but it's already got File770 folk leavening the lists.

Anonymous Teenage Jail December 10, 2015 5:22 PM  

I don't know why anyone thinks that nominating SJW/CHORF works would do anything, let alone make them explode from the contradiction like robots in bad movies. Of course SJWs always lie, but more than that, we've seen their exact lie already. It goes like this:

"See? If the puppies nominate works with merit, that people actually like, they'll have a chance. If they nominate total crap like John C. Wright, Tom Kratman, Jim Butcher...("shush, we don't talk about that")...right, never mind, uh...compiled blog posts like Wisdom From My Internet, total crap that true fans would never nominate, then it's down to the No Award pound with them!"

Blogger Ostar December 10, 2015 5:52 PM  

We need to nominate "Safe Space as Rape Room: Science Fiction Culture and Childhood’s End" at the Castalia House Blog for Best Related Work.
Imagine the uproar over that!

http://www.castaliahouse.com/safe-space-as-rape-room-science-fiction-culture-and-childhoods-end-part-2-of-5/

Blogger luagha December 10, 2015 6:33 PM  

Another vote for Somewhither here. Read it through several times and am eagerly waiting to see how my guesses on Ilya's biological parenthood turn out based on the well littered clues.

Blogger Cataline Sergius December 10, 2015 8:35 PM  

@57
Okay if I'm reading you correctly you're in.

Awesome. That's one. And yes Somewither was easily the best thing I read this year.

Technically, The Tale of the Herald by a talentless hack who cowers behind the ridiculous nom-da-plumb C. Sergius would qualify as a related work.

However it would be tragically embarrassing for all puppy-kind to put it up for the super prestigious best related works Hugo award. (I mean seriously, it's no Queers Dig Timelords).

However certain parties would have to read it or at least be made aware of it if nominated.

And that almost makes it worth it.

@John C. Wright; what is your opinion honored word-artisan?

Blogger JC December 10, 2015 9:22 PM  

If we want to vote/help what should we do?

Blogger Masha K. December 10, 2015 9:37 PM  

Depends. If you want to go with the Sad contingent, sadpuppies4 dot org are collecting the suggestions. Otherwise, wait for directions from the Supreme Lord of Darkness as to how to proceed.

Anonymous C. Sergius December 10, 2015 9:47 PM  

Speak for yourself Cataline. Wait, who are you talking to? I'm talking to you. Who, me?

Blogger maniacprovost December 11, 2015 1:20 AM  

Personally, I would like to confuse the issue further with a "Wild Puppies" slate that serves primarily as propaganda. There is neither time nor manpower to spare for that.

I assume Vox will take the Sad Puppies slate into consideration when drafting his own, so giving input on the Sad Puppies ballot is perfectly reasonable.

Blogger JimR December 11, 2015 2:42 AM  

put me down as an atheist who liked somewither.

I'd vote that.

Blogger ray December 11, 2015 2:48 AM  

"In any event, with the end of December approaching, it is time to start thinking about putting together the list of next year's nominees recommendations."



Couldn't handle the responsibility of equity and open thought. So it's fitting their thinking be done for them.

Blogger Masha K. December 11, 2015 6:49 AM  

The Sads, once again, are looking ONLY for great stories, regardless the author's politics. I, for one, am not eager to end up with another Marco Kloos on our hands, but it's their party and they have their principles which I have to respect. It so happens that Somewhither IS the best story I real all year; thus my conscience is clear either way in recommending it.

Blogger VD December 11, 2015 5:07 PM  

I assume Vox will take the Sad Puppies slate into consideration when drafting his own, so giving input on the Sad Puppies ballot is perfectly reasonable.

Naturally. And then I will give my recommendations that are in no way direct orders that are expected to be followed to the letter, from the top of the list to the very bottom.

Blogger Gerry Tork December 11, 2015 11:31 PM  

What is the Tor Books Hugbox Awards, powered by John Scalzi?

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