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Wednesday, December 02, 2015

The US is supporting ISIS

The document trail, the lame explanations, the reports of CIA involvement, the behavior of allies, the declassified documents, and the eyewitness evidence in Iraq all tell the same story:
On the front lines of the battle against the Islamic State, suspicion of the United States runs deep. Iraqi fighters say they have all seen the videos purportedly showing U.S. helicopters airdropping weapons to the militants, and many claim they have friends and relatives who have witnessed similar instances of collusion.

Ordinary people also have seen the videos, heard the stories and reached the same conclusion — one that might seem absurd to Americans but is widely believed among Iraqis — that the United States is supporting the Islamic State for a variety of pernicious reasons that have to do with asserting U.S. control over Iraq, the wider Middle East and, perhaps, its oil.

“It is not in doubt,” said Mustafa Saadi, who says his friend saw U.S. helicopters delivering bottled water to Islamic State positions. He is a commander in one of the Shiite militias that last month helped push the militants out of the oil refinery near Baiji in northern Iraq alongside the Iraqi army.

The Islamic State is “almost finished,” he said. “They are weak. If only America would stop supporting them, we could defeat them in days.”
While U.S. military officials "say the charges are too far-fetched to merit a response", what is much more far-fetched is the idea that they cannot bomb the Islamic State's oil facilities for fear of endangering the Desert Snail Darter or whatever their lame excuses are.

The US outrage over Russia's intervention in Syria, as well as the Turkish ambush of the Russian plane, are clearly indicative of the fact that the Obama administration is allied with ISIS and wants it to succeed in taking out Assad. After all, we know US forces are not welcome there by either the Syrian government or the Iraqi government.

Before you dismiss the idea that the US is actually pro-ISIS out of hand, keep in mind that the US government also bombed the Serbs in order to keep them from defeating the Muslims in Bosnia. Or, you know, read the relevant Defense Intelligence Agency document.
“THE WEST, GULF COUNTRIES, AND TURKEY [WHO] SUPPORT THE [SYRIAN] OPPOSITION… THERE IS THE POSSIBILITY OF ESTABLISHING A DECLARED OR UNDECLARED SALAFIST PRINCIPALITY IN EASTERN SYRIA (HASAKA AND DER ZOR), AND THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT THE SUPPORTING POWERS TO THE OPPOSITION WANT, IN ORDER TO ISOLATE THE SYRIAN REGIME…”.

The DIA report, formerly classified “SECRET//NOFORN” and dated August 12, 2012, was circulated widely among various government agencies, including CENTCOM, the CIA, FBI, DHS, NGA, State Dept., and many others.

The document shows that as early as 2012, U.S. intelligence predicted the rise of the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL or ISIS), but instead of clearly delineating the group as an enemy, the report envisions the terror group as a U.S. strategic asset.
Considering that the mujahideen in Afghanistan were originally envisioned and armed as a U.S. strategic asset against the Soviet Union, it should not be terribly surprising to learn that the Islamic State is a similar arrangement.

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102 Comments:

Anonymous FriarBob December 02, 2015 8:05 AM  

You'd like to think they could at least be subtle about it. But that would require competence. No sign of that here.

Anonymous Soga December 02, 2015 8:17 AM  

@1 FriarBob: Why even bother with subtlety? The USG could spit in your face and bang your wife in front of you, and it still wouldn't stir up a revolt.

The American Revolutionary War was fought over much, much less.

Anonymous Lukas Brunnor December 02, 2015 8:21 AM  

The hubris of the modern tptb means we will witness more and more blatant lying...and the stupidity of the average voter, imported from abroad if necessary, means that they may not have to answer for it in life.

Blogger Jack Ward December 02, 2015 8:22 AM  

Any surprise here? The muslim sitting in the oval office is obviously helping to initiate the caliphate. I suppose the service people that did these resupplys were lied to about who was getting the goodies. Or not. Perhaps its that bad within the US military.

Anonymous Big Bill December 02, 2015 8:25 AM  

Thank goodness Bomber Harris was in charge of the air war over Germany in WWII.

If Obama and the Pajama Boys were in charge we would all be speaking German or Russian now.

Then again, if Obama and friends ruled America in the 1940s, I might well have immigrated to Germany to live my life among a race of real men.

Blogger veinarmor December 02, 2015 8:25 AM  

Expel the jew, experience peace.
Every single symptom of the orchestrated decline of European civilization you high IQ intelligentsia belabor on this blog is designed, engineered, financed, and implemented by hooknose billionaires and their lesser multi-millionaire cohort. A casual investigation proves this beyond argument and my IQ is a lowly 130.

Blogger IM2L844 December 02, 2015 8:25 AM  

This seems relevant. You'll have to follow the links to get the full story.

Blogger ncartist December 02, 2015 8:26 AM  

Now, consider just who those 15,000 special ops forces Obama is sending to Syria is going to be fighting: Russia; welcome to the opening stages of the hot war WWIV.

Blogger Robert What? December 02, 2015 8:34 AM  

If the US is supporting ISIS, does that mean Israel is also supporting ISIS? If so, what does Israel get out of this?

Anonymous Athor Pel December 02, 2015 8:34 AM  

It's like they don't care if they get found out. They being the CIA.

Blogger VD December 02, 2015 8:36 AM  

Expel the jew, experience peace.

That doesn't appear to be working for Syria or Iraq, just to name two countries.

Blogger Shevi S December 02, 2015 8:40 AM  

England expelled the Jews inthe Middle Ages.I don't think that that bought peace. Lots of figting still happened.

Blogger Shimshon December 02, 2015 8:43 AM  

Only idiots (MPAI) dismiss the idea. It's actually the thing that ties the room together, like a certain famous rug.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 December 02, 2015 8:43 AM  

@6

That's called the "externality of evil" fallacy. It assumes that evil is caused only by other people. Shakespeare (who was not Jewish) would have disagreed with you.

Blogger Markku December 02, 2015 8:44 AM  

If so, what does Israel get out of this?

They'd hope that ISIS becomes troublesome for Europe enough that we'd start fighting the Muslims in earnest.

Blogger Shevi S December 02, 2015 8:45 AM  

Veinarmor:

I understand that France expelled the Jews more than once in the Middle Ages. How did that work out? Sapin expelled the Jews also, in 1492, but they still kept fighting the English. There was the Armada, remember?

Blogger Markku December 02, 2015 8:46 AM  

As for USA, I think the evidence strongly suggests, but does not conclusively prove, that USA is on ISIS's side.

Blogger VD December 02, 2015 8:49 AM  

I think the evidence strongly suggests, but does not conclusively prove, that USA is on ISIS's side.

Agreed. But there doesn't seem to be any that it is against it. Even the "bombings", we're told, don't target anything important.

Blogger SamuraiJack December 02, 2015 8:52 AM  

This is the most transparent adminstration ever. No really, just ask and they'll tell you. Forward comrades

Blogger Salt December 02, 2015 8:53 AM  

@17 Obama is definately on the side of ISIS. Everything he's doing benefits Muslims. Obama being the USA should no more be confused with Merkel being Germany.

Anonymous Kel-tec PF9 December 02, 2015 8:57 AM  

Israel backs IS because it will be much easier to sieze land for Greater Israel from them than from recognized governments.

Blogger Skylark Thibedeau December 02, 2015 8:57 AM  

Doesn't Turkey use U.S. Helicopters being part of NATO? It's likely the Turks are supplying them though the supplies are from the U.S. being sent to the Government in Ankara. Good chance now the Russian SAM's are going to take care of them.

If I were the French I would renew the Entente Cordiale with Russia and tell Oceania to retreat to Airstrip One.

Anonymous LurkingPuppy December 02, 2015 9:02 AM  

the unclassified documents,

The term for a formerly classified document which has ceased to be classified is “declassified”, not “unclassified”.

Blogger Cail Corishev December 02, 2015 9:11 AM  

Obama is definitely on the side of ISIS. Everything he's doing benefits Muslims.

The thing is, that's been true of every administration back at least to Bush I. We found out after 9/11 that the Bush administrations had been kissing up to the Saudis for years and turning off any border security for them. As Vox mentioned, Clinton went to war in Serbia to protect Muslims from Christians. There's a history here that Obama's preferences don't explain.

If anything, it's the other way around: the long-standing support for Muslims (when they're up against Christians, at least) by the US government helps to explain Obama.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian December 02, 2015 9:13 AM  

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Anonymous Jerome Horiwitz December 02, 2015 9:14 AM  

@18..
Agreed. But there doesn't seem to be any that it is against it. Even the "bombings", we're told, don't target anything important.
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Except Hospitals. Hospitals are important, and we bombed one of those.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian December 02, 2015 9:14 AM  

So what is the reason for all of this chaos creation in the M.E. and perhaps Ukraine?

The theories I have seen are:

1. Israel sows chaos to keep all of its enemies weak.

2. Gas and oil pipelines.

3. Iraq and Syria are/were not a par of the international banking system with their own banks/currency.

4. Other?

Blogger IM2L844 December 02, 2015 9:24 AM  

"SALAFIST PRINCIPALITY"

This is ISIS. I wonder why nobody in the media presses Obama or Clinton on the question of whether or not Salafists are Muslims. They are either willfully ignorant or complicit in perpetuating the narrative that ISIS is not Islamic. If any politicians tried to claim Salafists are not Muslim, it would piss off a whole bunch of Muslims...and we can't have that. Strange and interesting times indeed.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 December 02, 2015 9:27 AM  

@26

DWB admitted later that they were treating Taliban militants in the building, and the Iraqi Army said they took fire from the building, which was not clearly identified as a hospital. So I don't count that one.

Blogger Dystopic December 02, 2015 9:30 AM  

Why all this support for Islam, though? I do not understand why the elites would want to promote a 7th century ideology so vociferously. I get that they sow chaos and profit from war. I understand that they want to destroy Western culture.

But why, for the love of all that is holy, is Islam their preferred tool for doing it?

Blogger Salt December 02, 2015 9:37 AM  

I'm looking for motivations.

We found out after 9/11 that the Bush administrations had been kissing up to the Saudis for years and turning off any border security for them.

One word - Oil.

Clinton went to war in Serbia to protect Muslims from Christians.

Was that Clinton's motivation, or was it playing the white knight world policem upon the du jour catch-phrase of the day, ethnic cleansing?

If anything, it's the other way around: the long-standing support for Muslims (when they're up against Christians, at least) by the US government helps to explain Obama.

Support for Muslims or Muslim controlled oil? Mid-East oil does not explain Obama. That's to be found elsewhere.

I think we're stumbling into all this in similar fashion as that which started the last two world wars.



Anonymous kfg December 02, 2015 9:39 AM  

"But why, for the love of all that is holy, is Islam their preferred tool for doing it?"

It works.

Blogger Patrikbc December 02, 2015 9:42 AM  

The enemy of my enemy is my friend. The #1 enemy of the Godless are Christians.

Blogger Unknown December 02, 2015 9:43 AM  

@26; Yes, but it was a hospital full of nominally Christian, or at least Western, doctors. Not a mohammedan installation, so not a counter-example, I think.

Blogger Nate December 02, 2015 9:45 AM  

People. We know beyond a doubt the US supports ISIS. We watched the US create ISIS in real time with our own eyes. Don't you remember the massive propaganda push against assad in 2013?

Hillary Clinton played Charlie Wilson and it bit her in the ass. And everyone is to busy with cya to hold her accountable for it.

Anonymous A Visitor December 02, 2015 9:45 AM  

I'll admit the evidence is quite damning. Having said that, I don't think there's a real connection between ISIS and the US for three reasons: 1) MREs being waved about at captured ISIS bases is a joke; you can buy those on the Internet 2) The ROEs Dear Leader has slapped on the DOD really make it plausible that it would not take out as many tankers as it should because they really are that concerned with civilian casualties 3) Given all the hoopla over rare and endangered species (look at LA not increasing its drinking supply due to that worthless fish, for example, or how people with endangered species cannot build on land that they own), I honestly can buy that they are that concerned about a desert snail.

One more thing I'll say is this: propaganda has gotten a lot more sophisticated since the Cold War. I'm not disputing we don't get the full story Stateside but we certainly get bombarded with foreign propaganda as well.

Blogger Funkster411 December 02, 2015 9:47 AM  

> If so, what does Israel get out of this?

If Europe gets involved, a weakened Europe, or perhaps America will fight the Jews long time foe, Russia. Either way the Jews win.

No, the only good thing for the West to do is expel the Jews and withdraw from all Middle Eastern conflicts. Its not our fight.

Blogger Salt December 02, 2015 9:50 AM  

One thing I find interesting, going on these days, is that the Saudis, and almost everyone else, are keeping pumping oil. The world has a glut of it, prices are way down and may yet fall further. Ships laden with oil are lining up at ports, unable to offload. This is not in the interests of the Saudis or any Mid-East Muslim provider. There has to be a motivation to it.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 December 02, 2015 9:52 AM  

Remember that guy whose contractor truck ended up in ISIS hands?

But the US government isn't supporting ISIS. They got that truck from a car dealership in Iraq. Because when you trade in your car, it gets transported overseas all the time.

Blogger Markku December 02, 2015 9:52 AM  

From an unquoted part of the article:

he wishes the government would ask the Russians to replace the Americans.

Eeeeverybody wants the Russians on their side. Only problem, the Russians have no interest in playing the policeman of the world.

Blogger Were-Puppy December 02, 2015 9:57 AM  

@3 Lukas Brunnor

means that they may not have to answer for it in life.
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When have they ever had to answer ? This has bugged me for a long time. Lois Lerner for example.

Blogger Cogitans Iuvenis December 02, 2015 10:03 AM  

Count me as extremely skeptical for two reasons....

1) The Turks have, and fly, American made military helicopters such as the Chinook and the Black hawk. While the intelligence report does indicate US support, at least a disposition against outright hostility, in 2012...I am willing to say that things probably have changed drastically in 3 years. I also doubt the ability of Shi'ite militiamen to be able to differentiate between a Turkish flown American made helicopter or one flown by the US military, I strongly doubt that either the US or Turky are going to have their markings on their vehicles when they supply insurgent groups, and that is assuming they are being honest...

That brings me to my second point for skepticism, we are dealing with a culture where duplicitous, especially duplicitous when it comes to speaking to the 'infidel', is a fucking way of life. I about fell out of my chair laughing when the militiaman said, in classic Mideastern braggadocio, that ISIS was weak and that they were going to run them up in a manner of days....as if his compatriots, who had been armed with American equipment, hadn't rolled over like a bitch in heat when ISIS first came rolling in on jalopies. No...I'm calling bullshit on this "eye witness" accounts.

Blogger IM2L844 December 02, 2015 10:03 AM  

Ships laden with oil are lining up at ports, unable to offload.

It's only going to get worse, once we start converting SJW fat into diesel fuel.

Anonymous Fran December 02, 2015 10:04 AM  

As far as low oil prices go, am I wrong for thinking that it is not only the Saudi output but perhaps is also coming from the oil fields of Iraq...Doesn't Isis control these oil fields? Or did we retake all those fields?

Anonymous Jerome Horowitz December 02, 2015 10:06 AM  

@29..@34
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My apologies. It was a nominal attempt at levity/sarcasm.

Blogger newanubis December 02, 2015 10:06 AM  

It's not just Europe, chaos has an ever tightening global grip. These weaponized migrants are simply another rung on the ladder to depopulation via nwo. You'll note there is a msm blackout on the auto-immune epidemic in the US and a decimated pacific ocean with whatever scant amount of marine life left and glowing green.

TPTB are at war with you. Everything you eat, drink, breathe, and witness agape is intended--yes,by design, to hobble your body's defenses. Cancerous, neurocompromised, and even just generally ill people don't focus too much on external happenings when under such direct assault.

Blogger S1AL December 02, 2015 10:12 AM  

@38 - Attempting to make as much money as possible while trade with the West still exists?

Blogger IM2L844 December 02, 2015 10:13 AM  

Trump: "We have to kill their families!"

Ha. I've been saying that for years.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian December 02, 2015 10:17 AM  

Interesting replies to an NRO tweet - Russia has serially violated NATO airspace. And it's time to push back.

See here:

https://twitter.com/NRO/status/669621694517018624

The Cucks and the ((Tribe)) are being called out all over the twit comments.

Shorter NRO: "Hey, why don't you and him fight."

Anonymous Donn #0114 December 02, 2015 10:19 AM  

How the hell did that get declassified in a couple years?

Blogger Markku December 02, 2015 10:20 AM  

Russia is indeed in the second place of total Finnish airspace violations. USA is in the first place.

Blogger IM2L844 December 02, 2015 10:23 AM  

The Cucks and the ((Tribe)) are being called out all over the twit comments.

Ha! Well, they asked for push-back. They got it.

Blogger Were-Puppy December 02, 2015 10:30 AM  

@27 Conan the Cimmerian

So what is the reason for all of this chaos creation in the M.E. and perhaps Ukraine?

The theories I have seen are:

1. Israel sows chaos to keep all of its enemies weak.

2. Gas and oil pipelines.

3. Iraq and Syria are/were not a par of the international banking system with their own banks/currency.

4. Other?
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4. WSJ
SJW
JWS

5. Islam got their boy Hussein to take out all the leaders so they could make a new caliphate.

6. Principalities and powers in the air moving things around.

Blogger Markku December 02, 2015 10:31 AM  

So, how about we start shooting both sides down, Mr. Obama?

No?

Anonymous bluto December 02, 2015 10:36 AM  

I've always believed this is what Hillary is covering up in Benghazi.

Blogger Cail Corishev December 02, 2015 10:44 AM  

But why, for the love of all that is holy, is Islam their preferred tool for doing it?

They have to use the tools available to them. If there were millions of Buddhists with a hankering for killing Christians, they'd use them too.

Blogger natschuster December 02, 2015 10:45 AM  

Obama is not smart enough to have an actual policy regard ISIS, or anything. I think his initial visceral reaction was to support ISIS, hoping that htey would overthrow Assad and get an Arab Spring kindof thing going. It didn;t work out that way. His narcissistic personality disorder won;t let him change his mind, however, so he must keep on giving some, even token support. Now Clinto bombed hte Serbs beacuse he needed do deflect attention from his numerous scandals. HE picked the Serbs to bomb because liberasl tend to favor whoever is losing.

Blogger Dave December 02, 2015 10:49 AM  

Russia is indeed in the second place of total Finnish airspace violations. USA is in the first place.

Ha...all your Finnish airspace are belong to us.

Blogger Troy Lee Messer December 02, 2015 10:54 AM  

RE: the oil glut.

There does seem to be a world oil glut. IMHO, Saudia Arabia took a calculated risk that they could glut the market killing the North Dakota oil fields. My understanding is that a lot of pumps have been shut down because they can't compete with oil below $60.00/barrel or some number.

I have no doubts that US somehow aid ISIS. It might not necessarily be something active like giving aid but can be passive as well. That there is an entire spectrum of way aid could be provided.

Anonymous bw December 02, 2015 10:54 AM  

Since the official 9.11 story is a lie (obfuscation) of massive proportions, it follows that everything after it is going to be some kind of lie...not that much of the "terrorism" game before it isn't a lie as well.
You can pretty much have free reign if the media is your tool and the people don't care - or are Identified with the Lie.

Blogger The Other Robot December 02, 2015 10:54 AM  

The media doesn't seem to know what it once said. Today it says that there is no evidence of Muslims in NJ celebrating the destruction of the Twin Towers, but someone recorded them back then:

CBS-2 on Muslims celebrating Ramadan errr, Twin Towers down.

Blogger pyrrhus December 02, 2015 10:55 AM  

@12 England expelled the jews twice in the middle ages. While it didn't keep royalty from waging overseas wars, it kept tribe from bribing government officials to serve their interests, which became rampant during the last two centuries.

Anonymous FriarBob December 02, 2015 10:56 AM  

@cail and @dystopic... the long-standing support for Islam and such does look weird. I have a friend who thinks all the elite (of either/any party) are part of a secret society of essentially knowing devil worshippers who want to kill off all the peons to create their idea of a perfect (and low population) world. It sounds kooky and I have plenty of doubts. But they clearly all have more agendas than are publicly visible. And those agendas clearly cross "party lines".

Blogger pyrrhus December 02, 2015 10:58 AM  

And this...http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-23/get-out-your-trucks-and-run-away-us-gives-isis-45-minute-warning-oil-tanker-strikes

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother December 02, 2015 10:58 AM  

Dystopic,

Why the love for Islam, a primitive tool? They work. You have several primitive tools in your garage for the same reason.

Blogger pyrrhus December 02, 2015 10:59 AM  

And Israeli espionage run wild....http://www.unz.com/article/the-dancing-israelis/

Blogger natschuster December 02, 2015 11:05 AM  

@62: Pyrrus:

Weren't there a couple of civil wars in England also, like the War of the Roses? But the ain point is that no Jews does not mean peace.

Blogger Anthony December 02, 2015 11:06 AM  

In Marxist terms, the U.S. is "objectively pro-ISIS". I don't believe that the U.S. is deliberately directly supporting them, but by incompetent supporting the weakest of the three groups in Syria, their actions are helping ISIS. As @42 notes, saying that ISIS is only days from defeat is not to be taken seriously. Even if we really got out and let Putin do it, it would take more than "days".

Blogger Cail Corishev December 02, 2015 11:12 AM  

Was [protecting Muslims from Christians in Serbia] Clinton's motivation, or was it playing the white knight world policem upon the du jour catch-phrase of the day, ethnic cleansing?

Who was cleansing whom, though? If it weren't about religion, they'd accidentally take the Christian side once in a while, and they don't. Unless you want to argue that Christians always ethnically cleanse Muslims and never vice-versa.

Again, if it were just the Clintons, or just Obama, or just the Saudi-loving Bushes, it would be easier to blame it on other causes. But it's been consistent US policy, for at least 25 years now, to take the more anti-Christendom side in every conflict. Unlike a blind squirrel, they don't occasionally find the right nut, so it's not an accident.

Blogger Dave December 02, 2015 11:30 AM  

Does any of this really surprise anybody? The US has come to view the middle east as it's own little playground. We've been able to play with all our nifty weapons and sort out our drone technology. Thousands of military personnel and State Dept. hacks have cut their teeth in the Middle East.

Why just recently McCain and Graham have called for 20,000 advisers be sent to Iraq and an equal number to Syria. If the US didn't keep things riled up over there, we wouldn't have these glorious opportunities to play army.

Blogger Salt December 02, 2015 11:49 AM  

If it weren't about religion, they'd accidentally take the Christian side once in a while, and they don't.

I'd rephrase. "If it weren't about oil, ..."

Muslims are easily offended, and can play the oil card if even behind closed doors.

Anonymous WillBest December 02, 2015 12:00 PM  

The middle east has oil, buys our industrial equipment, and we get to test our weapons there. What more do you want?

As for the worldwide oil situation. All these countries need X dollars from oil in order to keep their regime in place. As the price of oil drops they need to sell more barrels to make that money, which further drives the price of oil down.

Blogger ajw308 (#98) December 02, 2015 12:06 PM  

Why all this support for Islam, though? I do not understand why the elites would want to promote a 7th century ideology so vociferously.
Go rewatch Braveheart. See who the Scottish nobility served and why. Human nature hasn't changed.

Blogger Salt December 02, 2015 12:06 PM  

Again, if it were just the Clintons, or just Obama, or just the Saudi-loving Bushes, it would be easier to blame it on other causes. But it's been consistent US policy, for at least 25 years now, to take the more anti-Christendom side in every conflict.

Does anyone really believe anyone in the west actually gives a damn about the Muslims? The economies of the west are driven by technology and energy; oil. There is your consistent US policy. It just so happens that in order to implement such policy Christendom gets in the way, and as the west is secular, a little Christian collateral damage is justified.

Obama is unlike Clinton and the Bushes. He's an opportunist of a different stripe, and is taking advantage of the situation, incorporating Muslim expansion into the equation.

OpenID sigbouncer December 02, 2015 12:18 PM  

http://anonhq.com/john-mccain-admits-hes-intimate-with-isis/

Lead war monger and Senator John McCain has confirmed Live On Fox News what many people had suspected, he met with ISIS in Syria and is in direct contact with them. He even goes so far as to admit that he “knows these people intimately, I talk to them all the time.”

However McCain, having met intimately with ISIS in his trip to Syria, thinks we should send them arms anyway. He says that reports about Rebels joining forces with ISIS to fight Assad are not true because he met them and is in contact with them on a regular basis. Why in the hell would John McCain be in contact with ISIS?

18 U.S.C. 2339B of the US Patriot Act prohibits,

“providing material support or resources” to an organization the Secretary of State has designated as a “foreign terrorist organization.” The material support ban was first passed as part of the Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act of 1996 (AEDPA). The provision’s purpose is to deny terrorist groups the ingredients necessary for planning and carrying out attacks. Congress was concerned that terrorist organizations with charitable or humanitarian arms were raising funds within the United States that could then be used to further their terrorist activities. The provision outlawed any support to these groups, irrespective of whether that support was intended for humanitarian purposes.

By this measure, John McCain and other members of the government have violated the Patriot Act and should be punished to the fullest extent of the law.

This is a completely Orwellian state of mind to be in. Unless that is, if the truth of the matter is that this whole conflict in Syria is not truly about ISIS, and really about toppling the Assad regime. Then it would make sense.

The truth is that Senator McCain helped the US government create ISIS in the last two years in order to topple the government of Syria. America created ISIS and is now prepared to fight ISIS. This is perpetual war. This is Madness.

Blogger Noah B #120 December 02, 2015 12:18 PM  

How many times now have the neocons betrayed the Kurds? I've lost count.

Blogger The Other Robot December 02, 2015 12:23 PM  

Swedes don't know where 14,000 illegals have gone.

That is around 2 divisions worth of troops.

Blogger Dave December 02, 2015 12:32 PM  

Swedes don't know where 14,000 illegals have gone

No worries mate, they were all vetted by the proper authorities.

Blogger Cail Corishev December 02, 2015 12:34 PM  

Does anyone really believe anyone in the west actually gives a damn about the Muslims?

No. I believe the powers that be do give a damn about tearing down Christendom, and Muslims are a tool to that end.

Yes, some of the people in charge are just greedy for money or power, and that gets used too. Whatever works.

I have a friend who thinks all the elite (of either/any party) are part of a secret society of essentially knowing devil worshippers who want to kill off all the peons to create their idea of a perfect (and low population) world.

Honestly, I don't think that's too far from the truth. I don't think most of the elites get invited to the meetings, or even know that goes on. But I do think it exists and is part of the picture.

It's funny that so many scripture-professing Christians either don't believe in Satan, don't think he's active in this world, or don't stop to think about what "prince of this world" would mean. Why wouldn't he have acolytes, help them to get into positions of power, and require them to perform sacrifices?

Anonymous Rebuker December 02, 2015 12:46 PM  

"As for USA, I think the evidence strongly suggests, but does not conclusively prove, that USA is on ISIS's side."

Come on Markku wake up. You can read about it all over the net. You even have ex-CIA admitting it. Do you think the U.S. was dropping all that ammo in the desert to "moderates".!?

Blogger The Other Robot December 02, 2015 12:55 PM  

Russia is reporting that they are pumping record levels of oil and gas and that their profits are holding up because of depreciation of the Ruble.

Dunno if they can be believed, though.

If it is true, then it looks like the strategy of pushing oil prices down to destroy and loot Russia is not working.

Blogger ScottD December 02, 2015 1:21 PM  

There are multiple power plays going on here.

Turkey dreams of lost Ottoman glory and wants to be the big dog in the neighborhood. It supports ISIS to thwart the Kurds and Iran. Saudi Arabia sides with Turkey and is providing funding for ISIS.

Iran wants to establish a Shia crescent stretching from the Caspian through Northern Iraq to Syria and the Mediterranean and become the regional hegemon.

The various muslim factions are united, though in their view that Europe is weak-willed and ripe for the plucking.

What is Russia doing? Russia has historical enmity with both Turkey and Iran, but is siding with Iran right now against Turkey (& Saudi Arabia). Russia wants to punish the Saudi's for keeping the price of oil low and is, I suspect, thinking longer term about control of the Black Sea and access to the Mediterranean. With the annexation of the Crimea, I can see a possible Russian plan to pull Greece over to its side to strengthen Russia's position in the Balkans (Russia + Greece + Serbia). The EU's horrible treatment of Greece is surely helping there, and Russia's actions against the Turks would also be supported in Greece. Longer term, is Russia be moving to make the Black Sea a "Russian Lake" and return Constantinople, the Northern Black Sea and Eastern Turkey to a Russian dominated Orthodox Southeastern Europe? Russia would position itself as the defender of Europe, boxing out the U.S.

The US has no long-term policy, and Obama seems not to care at all what is in the US's long-term interests. As a result, the US has become every local power's plaything. Obama bent over for Iran on the nuclear issue, but now supports Turkey and Saudi Arabia against Iran in Syria. The only US strategy appears to be, do whatever is needed at the moment to make Obama look good.

Blogger Dystopic December 02, 2015 1:24 PM  

@63 FriarBob: "the long-standing support for Islam and such does look weird. I have a friend who thinks all the elite (of either/any party) are part of a secret society of essentially knowing devil worshippers who want to kill off all the peons to create their idea of a perfect (and low population) world."

It doesn't sound kooky at all. I know a guy who is arguing that, upon the creation of viable artificial intelligence (or a close enough simulcrum of one) + better drones will mean that the elites will have no use for peons, or even the middle class. We'll be replaced. It sounds tinfoil-ish, until you think about it a little.

Why WOULDN'T they do that? To them, we're like the lice-ridden fleabags of People of Walmart. How many folks say things like "I hate people" every day? If they could depopulate much of the planet, and divide it amongst themselves, attended to by a veritable army of automated servants and maybe a *few* relative skilled slaves that are allowed to exist, why not? It's to the point that I'm starting to wonder when the damned Butlerian Jihad is going to start.

But I don't think there's conspiracy meetings, or backrooms filled with cigar smoke where they plot this crap. I suspect it's just power-hungry, hateful sociopaths following their own perceived self interest. And those pesky White Christian Males are in their path.

I suppose Islam is the bulldozer. Just... it's a bulldozer that may just turn on them at some point.

Anonymous Whitey McWhite December 02, 2015 1:33 PM  

veinarmor: "Every single symptom of the orchestrated decline of European civilization you high IQ intelligentsia belabor on this blog is designed, engineered, financed, and implemented by hooknose billionaires and their lesser multi-millionaire cohort."

That's wrong: Jews have a variety of nose shapes; even the billionaires are not all hook-nosed, though George Soros is.

Blogger Skylark Thibedeau December 02, 2015 1:46 PM  

@69 Since the balkan 'crisis' ended, the Bosnians have ethnically cleansed the Serbs. I think it was P.J. O'Roarke who wrote of the last Serbian living in some town over there back in the late 90's.

Anonymous tublecane December 02, 2015 2:09 PM  

"Thank goodness Bomber Harris was in charge of the air war over Germany in WWII"

A perfect example of the limits of air power, if anything. Ignoring moral and legal qualms, judged by any standard "strategic bombing" was a failure. It didn't shrink industrial production and it didn't terrorize the citizenry into submission. The allies did it because they could, not because it was useful.

Now, ISIS is not Germany, and it couldn't stand up to what Germany faced. But then again it doesn't have to, because it's not fighting the same kind of war. Also, there is no comparable target to the main thrust of the air war in WWII, which was civilian housing in big city centers. We can kill civilians in Syria, but there's no strategic reason to. Madman Harris had a strategy, at least, though one that failed.

Anonymous BigGaySteve December 02, 2015 2:51 PM  

No. I believe the powers that be do give a damn about tearing down Christendom, and Muslims are a tool to that end

The Rivkin document Snowden released covers this. Releasing that one document is worth any price the US has paid because of him.
http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2011/05/14/in-honor-of-french-reader-understanding-the-rivkin-project/
http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/11/10/current-europe-the-rivkin-project-full-video/
France's culture prevented McDonalds and other multinationals from setting up, so they destroyed the culture.

If Obama and the Pajama Boys were in charge we would all be speaking German or Russian now.

If England won the revolution they would be speaking English in NYC. I guess you have not seen any of the memes of Nazis in Paris treating people respectfully, verses the bloody theatre or street full of die verse city. In NAZI Germany if being gay was your only transgression you could walk out of the camp as soon as you proved you could have sex with a woman, and they provided a woman prisoner. Most leftist gays would stay crying it wasn't fair, I would wave "it was a mistake, see you wouldn't want to be you"

Expel the jew, experience peace.

More like stop the hemorrhaging. The 200+ places that kicked them out did a lot better than the one place that kept them in.

Anonymous BigGaySteve December 02, 2015 3:01 PM  

Why the love for Islam, a primitive tool? ...They work.

No payment needed as they work to gain slaves,child sex concubines, and an unending orgy in the afterlife.

OpenID simplytimothy December 02, 2015 3:01 PM  

@49 that was epic. thx

Blogger Paul Warkin December 02, 2015 3:31 PM  

No surprise, since ISIS, too, is fighting for freedom, justice, and equality.

http://www.amerika.org/politics/why-western-liberals-should-embrace-isis/

Blogger Mindstorm December 02, 2015 3:59 PM  

@27 and @53
Hypothetically, more external pressure on the European Diaspora to put Aliyah into practice.

Blogger bob k. mando December 02, 2015 6:09 PM  

40. Markku December 02, 2015 9:52 AM
Eeeeverybody wants the Russians on their side. Only problem, the Russians have no interest in playing the policeman of the world.




but still, it's a nice position to be in, what with everybody else considering you the "trustworthy" one.

Blogger bob k. mando December 02, 2015 6:39 PM  

49. Conan the Cimmerian December 02, 2015 10:17 AM
Interesting replies to an NRO tweet - Russia has serially violated NATO airspace. And it's time to push back.

The Cucks and the ((Tribe)) are being called out all over the twit comments.



i want all you tin foil hat guys to give serious consideration to this hypothesis:
what if this is the election cycle in which TPTB ( this also contains the concepts of Limbaugh as 'controlled opposition' and Trump as a stalking horse for another agenda ) have decided to destroy the Republican party?

what follows from that?

Anonymous Takin' a Look December 02, 2015 7:10 PM  

Everett Sterns, he is the whistle-blower on HSBC and JP Morgan funneling money to ISIS

https://tacticalrabbit.com/public-letter-to-treasury-reopening-hsbc-case/


https://youtu.be/3TBH9f1Pk60

Blogger Danby December 02, 2015 7:28 PM  

@93 bob k. mando
what if this is the election cycle in which TPTB ... have decided to destroy the Republican party?

I'm down with that.
Good luck fellas!

Anonymous Takin' a Look December 02, 2015 11:17 PM  

Apparently Israel is buying 75% of Kurdistani Oil, at lot of that is from ISIS fields as well

http://www.alaraby.co.uk/english/features/2015/11/26/raqqas-rockefellers-how-islamic-state-oil-flows-to-israel/

Blogger SciVo December 03, 2015 1:16 AM  

@ Conan the Cimmerian: So what is the reason for all of this chaos creation in the M.E. and perhaps Ukraine?

A certain kind of person has no challenge left but games. Maybe yesterday it was to see if they could replace the white population with something more amenable to global government, today it's pretending that it's 1980 and we need to do whatever it takes to oppose the Evil Empire, and who knows what tomorrow will bring.

Blogger SciVo December 03, 2015 1:31 AM  

@ Salt: Ships laden with oil are lining up at ports, unable to offload. This is not in the interests of the Saudis or any Mid-East Muslim provider. There has to be a motivation to it.

Yes, they would rather make less money than none, like an aging wore.

Blogger SciVo December 03, 2015 1:47 AM  

@ FriarBob: It sounds kooky and I have plenty of doubts.

I think he's making the classic mistake of assuming that the effect was intended. No, they're not that smart.

Blogger SciVo December 03, 2015 1:59 AM  

@ Cail Corishev: Unlike a blind squirrel, they don't occasionally find the right nut, so it's not an accident.

Well, the game is more fun if you take the side of who you think is the underdog.

I'm not kidding. That's the immature level of "reasoning" at work here.

Blogger SciVo December 03, 2015 2:09 AM  

@ sigbouncer:

I will agree that it seems clear that the U.S. is focused on deposing Assad over stopping the rapey slavery, and he's focused on not being stabbed in the anus with a bayonet like Gaddafi.

Blogger SciVo December 03, 2015 2:33 AM  

@ bob k. mando: what if this is the election cycle in which TPTB ( this also contains the concepts of Limbaugh as 'controlled opposition' and Trump as a stalking horse for another agenda ) have decided to destroy the Republican party?

That is implausible. You would have to have a "They Live" level of theory to explain why all establishment Republicans and all journalists are united in attacking Trump, if he's part of their plan. So where can I get one of your sunglasses?

A more likely explanation is that the Republican party is destroying itself from the insiders hating the voters.

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