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Friday, December 18, 2015

Unfit for office

It's fascinating to hear the press and the Republican Party that just sold out the American people again trying to claim Donald Trump is unfit for office when it's got idiot candidates like these spouting off like ignorant tough guys who don't understand that Russia and Iran are not Iraq and Grenada:
“If you’re in favor of World War III, you have your candidate.”

So said Rand Paul, looking directly at Gov. Chris Christie, who had just responded to a question from CNN’s Wolf Blitzer as to whether he would shoot down a Russian plane that violated his no-fly zone in Syria.

“Not only would I be prepared to do it, I would do it,” blurted Christie: “I would talk to Vladimir Putin … I’d say to him, ‘Listen, Mr. President, there’s a no-fly zone in Syria; you fly in, it applies to you.’

“Yes, we would shoot down the planes of Russian pilots if in fact they were stupid enough to think that this president was the same feckless weakling … we have in the Oval Office … right now.”

Ex-Gov. George Pataki and ex-Sen. Rick Santorum would also impose a no-fly zone and shoot down Russian planes that violated it. Said Gov. John Kasich, “It’s time we punched the Russians in the nose.”

Carly Fiorina would impose a no-fly zone and not even talk to Putin until we’ve conducted “military exercises in the Baltic States” on Russia’s border. Jeb Bush, too, would impose a no-fly zone.

These warhawks apparently assume that President Putin is a coward who, if you shoot down his warplanes, will back away from a fight.

Are we sure? After the Turks shot down that Sukhoi SU-24, Moscow sent fighter planes to Syria to escort its bombers and has reportedly deployed its lethal S-300 antiaircraft system there.

A U.S. Marine Corps aviator describes the S-300: “A complete game changer for all fourth-gen aircraft [like the F-15, F-16 and F/A-18]. That thing is a beast and you don’t want to get near it.”
Yes, the US military can beat the Russian military. It can almost surely beat both Iran and Russia-in-Syria. But it can't do so without paying a price that is far heavier than any rational American wishes to pay. And if an already-exhausted US military gets stuck into the Middle East, that will give China a free hand in the Pacific and might even permit Russia to take back Ukraine.

This is precisely how great military powers manage to lose wars; they overrate their capabilities, sufficiently alarm enough enemies to cause them to band together, and try to fight a multiple-front war.

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Blogger John Red Eagle December 18, 2015 4:08 AM  

A full generation after the end of the cold war, and these geniuses can't let go of the idea of Russia as the permanent enemy. Of course, playing Westphalian Kissinger-style geopolitics must be a lot more comfortable than dealing with, say, demographic invasion in both our home and those of our close allies.

Blogger Ron December 18, 2015 4:14 AM  

This is precisely how great military powers manage to lose wars; they overrate their capabilities, sufficiently alarm enough enemies to cause them to band together, and try to fight a multiple-front war.

In other words, they let people without character or integrity get into office.

The problem with the things these guys have said is not so much that they would do it, I don't believe for a second that Chris Christie of all people would have the nerve to order the military to shoot down a Russian fighter, it's that they have such utter contempt for their own base that they think anyone is insane enough to actually want that.

Reading what they wrote reminds me of those scenes in "Mars Attacks!" where the martians would push around a mobile tape recorder saying "we come in peace! please lay down your weapons" while incinerating everyone around them.

Anonymous Susan December 18, 2015 4:31 AM  

Imagine the pleasure, for even just 4 years, of listening to the media, Congress, and all the Trump haters being forced to use the word President when referring to Trump.

I will finally have a small glimpse of what our cruelty artist feels like after one of his eloquent and sly jousts against an opponent. If he does win, I will be gloating for a long time.

Blogger Dago December 18, 2015 4:39 AM  

Actually, absent nuclear weapons, if we're just talking land, sea and air war, whether in Syria or mainland Russia or rhe Baltic, I think you're completely wrong. The USA would have its ass handed to it by Russia.

Anonymous SevenCrimes December 18, 2015 4:39 AM  

These geniuses want to start WW3 with Russia in order to defend Islamic radicals, and yet they want to paint Trump as the dangerous lunatic.

Anonymous Alice De Goon December 18, 2015 4:49 AM  

I thought our elites were doing everything they could to render our military unfit for duty: destroying unit cohesion and fitness by cramming women into combat units (dumbing down the standards to "female gym teacher" level in the process,) forcing men into fuck-me pumps and having them humiliatingly march in the streets like a defeated army being paraded before an enemy, recruiting various fruity flavors of poz and deviancy, - all things designed to demoralize a fighting force. And now they expect this cowed group run by pencil-pushing PC suckups to maintain US hegemony throughout the world? It'd be laughable if it wasn't so serious.

Blogger Unknown December 18, 2015 4:54 AM  

VD, your reco account appears to have vanished.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY December 18, 2015 5:11 AM  

That damned to hell faggot Ryan makes the fag boehner look like a damn saint. God hep us, if he will.

Blogger SteelPalm December 18, 2015 5:11 AM  

Kasich is a comically stupid buffoon, even among the likes of Christie, Jeb!, etc. but I still cracked up laughing at the line “It’s time we punched the Russians in the nose.”

This is the equivalent of a frail, 110-pound weakling threatening to beat up a collegiate amateur wrestler after watching one too many kung-fu movies.

This moron wouldn't survive a week in high-level Russian politics.

Anonymous Ahmad ibn Fadlan December 18, 2015 5:12 AM  

What SevenCrimes said @5. At the height of the Cold War, when the dislike on both sides went a lot deeper, nobody would have even thought to say anything this stupid. I think the thing that changed is that far fewer people pay real attention to the military angle these days - beyond rah-rah give them money, of course. It isn't... it isn't serious any more. And so you get these people who think that "America! Fuck Yeah!" is a foreign policy instead of a song.

Iraq was a debatable idea. This is just crazy talk.

Frankly, I doubt the Pentagon would carry out the order if any of these dopes gave it. There are still enough professionals there who understand that you can't control the potential escalation. Much like British General Sir Mike Jackson, who told Gen. Wesley Clark during the Serbian imbroglio that he refused to start World War 3 for him ( http://www.theguardian.com/world/1999/aug/02/balkans3 ).

To drive the point home. Russia shrugged off Turkey's recent insanity, knowing that they can make the Turks pay at leisure (and they will). How do these GOP idiots not understand that the same option would not be available to Putin if the USA did it?

If any of those boobs had a hope of winning, I would say that Allah loves ISIS.

Anonymous Strange Aeons December 18, 2015 5:44 AM  

@3 Susan -
I know what you mean. Our emotionally incontinent lefty friends like to pretend it's their opponents who are squirting salty tears but all projection aside, you just know you're going to need a rainwater harvesting system with a desalination function hooked up to your internet if Trump wins.

Anonymous Clay December 18, 2015 6:01 AM  

Geez. You've got a bunch of monkeys this morning.

Leave Putin alone. As long as he'll stay in his backyard, we should stay in ours.

Blogger JohnG December 18, 2015 6:02 AM  

We'd get our noses bloodied a lot.

Blogger Sherwood family December 18, 2015 6:09 AM  

One of the problems is having to choose in U.S. politics between feckless gutless spineless morons on the left and deranged warmongering ignoramuses on the right. Why would anyone want a war with Russia? The stupidity of some of these statements is staggering. Russia is not running around the globe at present trying to cram a messianic ideology down anyone's throat. Those days are over for them. But we're still at it like the 1980s never ended and the Soviets are just waiting to flood into the Fulda Gap. At a programmatic level the Cold War never ended. So many things we do overseas that were created to counter the Soviet threat still exist.

Blogger JohnG December 18, 2015 6:09 AM  

@10 "I doubt the Pentagon would carry out the order if any of these dopes gave it." Those fools just made sure two women graduated Ranger school and the SECDEF just mandated women in all MOSs. The six figure retirement check and consultancy job after retirement are more important than any other consideration. They'll do what they're told.

Anonymous the abe December 18, 2015 6:30 AM  

It's turned out to be a curious footnote in the annals of recent history that we've gone from Dubya gushing about peering into Putin's soul to him becoming the verbal punching bag of recent years.

I'm left wondering what Carlin's proverbial "Big Club" know about the situation, that we don't that justifies its hubris. Russia is still on course for a demographic implosion and it's safe to assume it intends to exit with a bang and not a whimper.

10 years ago I assumed the best case scenario would be a Sino-Russian death spiral we were well clear of. But NATO "commitment" to our "partners" in the Baltic, coupled with our participation in the King of the Hill contest for The Last Jackpot in Central Asia, means we may snatch destruction from the jaws of providence yet.

OpenID basementhomebrewer December 18, 2015 6:55 AM  

...that will give China a free hand in the Pacific and might even permit Russia to take back Ukraine.

This is the important thing that no one is talking about or noticing. If NATO and Russia get into a shooting war China will undoubtedly achieve their 60 year goal of annexing Taiwan. I am not confident they will stop there.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan December 18, 2015 6:59 AM  

More for the Tel Aviv donor base who are at war with everyone, some more than others at any give moment.

They should just shout "I love Trotsky" and save us the Dr. Strangelove rehearsals

Blogger Rantor December 18, 2015 7:08 AM  

US democratization efforts in Ukraine provoked that conflict. Unfortunately the current administration still supports these activities. Democratization, yes it sounds good until you think in Realpolitik terms, at which point it gets dangerous.

State runs the democratization efforts often without Defense involvement.

Yes, Hillary and John F Kerry are the agent provocateurs with defense asked to keep things from going south when they screw up.

Russia just about owns Syria now. The US establishing a no fly zone is not going to happen. Finally, do Christie and his fellow Chickenhawks think we can fight Russia in Syria without the conflict spreading?

Peace with Russia could have been easy, recognize them as a great power and stay out of their backyard.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan December 18, 2015 7:12 AM  

It is not what neocons write or say that is the most important thing to know about them, it is their cultural background and the resultant script they read from as they fail thru life at our expense.

How Dr. Kissinger escaped that sand trap I do not know, but this latest generation seems to have minds that are a collage of bad Holocaust movie scripts concocted into a mashup.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan December 18, 2015 7:20 AM  

One last thing, while the Trotsky wing of the GOP runs itself off into oblivion the masses of Americans living under the occupation regime are stretching their limbs to begin the process of liberation, the Putin gang knows this and will take advantage of this.

That is what you anti-Trump cons don't understand the issue is not the decades of conservative incorporated fail the issue is freedom, James Kirkpatrick said it better than me just the other day.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr December 18, 2015 7:49 AM  

Some of these candidates don't grasp that the Cold War ended 25 years ago....and that while Russia is a rival, that does not mean our interests are diametrically opposed at all times.

Anonymous redsash December 18, 2015 7:49 AM  

VD, I don't believe the U.S. would win a war with Russia if they got a first strike, especially if it occurred during the St. of the Union speech. Russian sub launches from Hudson Bay, the Gulf, Pacific, Atlantic, even Chesapeake Bay targeting our ICBM installations, sub bases, Pearl, 10 key military bases, and 20 U.S. cities would result in game over. Our carriers are only slow targets for Russian bombers, and Russian destroyers trailing our subs could eliminate our sub launched missiles only seconds after they break surface. Through in an EMP for good measure and the proud and the beautiful become scavengers.

The really sad thing about this is that I believe God would be smiling. At war with radical Islam, and we choose to fight Christian Serbs and Russians. The Democrats are immoral thieves and murderers. The Republicans are spineless blowhards. This nation has many sins to atone for and they increase daily.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr December 18, 2015 7:51 AM  

They also don't realize that our military has been ridden hard and put up wet for 25 years...the Russians have been quietly upgrading. It's not 1990 any more.

Blogger Melampus the Seer December 18, 2015 8:00 AM  

This is an interesting situation. The government plays 3GW. The dark government, the independent intelligence agency complex, plays 4GW. These agencies very skillfully use reflex control techniques to shape and limit the decision-making of elected officials. It never occurs to people like Kasich, Christie, Fiorina, Rubio. The agencies use the same information warfare techniques on government officials as they do on our enemies.

These are intelligence agency wars. They are not really even state wars. It's one faction using another.

Two entirely different world-views are in play. Those with one make tools of the other.

Blogger Elocutioner December 18, 2015 8:01 AM  

Last night an Ace of Spades dimwit beclowned himself on Putin's endorsement of Trump (and Trump's acceptance of it) while pretending that we're still in a death struggle with the USSR. Then John Podhoretz and a Federalist cuck jumped in and started strutting around the chess board.

https://twitter.com/TOOEdit/status/677704705158619136

Blogger TheRedSkull December 18, 2015 8:07 AM  

Well it's a good thing the Cathedral isn't naturally inclined to do exactly as described in the last paragraph. In any case, The vigilant, foreign policy literate American public wouldn't stand for it.

What a relief!

Anonymous Steve Brown VFM#0273 December 18, 2015 8:14 AM  

@23 Are you the current POTUS? Or maybe Hillary? Sure sounds like their thinking.

Blogger Skylark Thibedeau December 18, 2015 8:37 AM  

There was some Moron on twitter last night calling Trump a traitor because he spoke kindly of Putin's compliments towards him. They werwe saying it would be like Mondale thanking Andropov! The moron thinks we shold be propagating Cold War attitudes. Russia is not our enemy and before the Bolshevik Revolution was one of our closest friends. We need to reinitiate the Entente Cordiale from 100 years ago and include Germany this time.

Blogger Marcus Marcellus December 18, 2015 8:59 AM  

The US military would most certainly NOT defeat the Russians. The US military is the most over-rated institution on the planet. It has never fought deep war like the Eastern Front, not even in the Pacific. Wait and see what your vaunted "armed forces" are really like.

Blogger Thomas Davidsmeier December 18, 2015 9:01 AM  

Seriously, Russia is a predominantly Christian nation now. They should be a natural ally in the actual war of civilizations that is going on. The reason they think of themselves at the third Rome is not just because they are an empire, it is because they are the unconquered seat of Christian Orthodoxy since Rome and Constantinople (the second Rome) fell.

I admit that I loved the description in Victoria of the New Czar as a champion of the Christian faith. I can hope that God has such plans. We certainly aren't champions of Christianity anymore as a society.

Blogger Rantor December 18, 2015 9:09 AM  

When a reporter accused Putin of being an aggressive military leader he politely pointed out that America's defense budget is 10 times Russia's. His economy and federal budget is also being rocked by $35 oil. Nevertheless, in his area of interest, Ukraine, Syria, (what next?) he is not giving the US led west a free pass.

As a Cold War Vet, I clearly see differences between the Soviet Union and Putin's Russia. Trump is right, it is in our interest and interest of world peace to work with Putin.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian December 18, 2015 9:10 AM  

Russia is an enemy of the ((NeoCohens))).

Now the ((NeoCohens)) wish to pull us into another land war in Europe/Asia

Blogger rumpole5 December 18, 2015 9:16 AM  

Russia is the cultural and spiritual heir of the eastern Roman Empire. We should get out of the way and let them reclaim the eastern Mediterranean for Christendom. I look forward to seeing the rededication of Santa Sofia as the seat of Eastern Orthodoxy before I pass on.

Anonymous Kudos The Lexecutioner December 18, 2015 9:18 AM  

@29 Skylark Thibedeau

"We need to reinitiate the Entente Cordiale from 100 years ago and include Germany this time."

As long as we skip the secret Franco-Russian Alliance that preceded it and which contributed so much to The Great War (as we used to call it before we had the sense to start numbering them).

Historian D.J. Goodspeed, in his classic "The German Wars", concluded that French desire for revanche for the loss of Alsace-Lorraine in the Franco-Prussian War of 1870 and Russia's desire for a warm-water port were significant drivers of the conflict, almost as much as the Kaiser's bellicosity and impetuousity.

That's the problem with formal ententes, treaties, and interlocking alliances: the people you end up on the same side with. (See, e.g., U.S. and Turkey and NATO handcuffs).

Anonymous daddynichol December 18, 2015 9:23 AM  

Vox is spot on. The US may have the hardware, but the armed forces leadership has been gutted and replaced with SJW HR people who worry more about diversity than getting the job done.

Blogger Derrick Bonsell December 18, 2015 9:58 AM  

This idea Cold Warrior Republicans have that Hillary wouldn't fight the Russians is absurd, she's every bit as interventionist as any Republican.

OT, but mentioning Hillobeast, I've never seen a candidate who's so "inevitable" who's ran such a lackluster campaign. Her rallies, when she has one, get only a few hundred or a few thousand carefully vetted attendees while both Sanders and Trump attract crowds in the tens of thousands.

Blogger ZhukovG December 18, 2015 10:15 AM  

The US military can defeat Russia in limited clashes well away from the Russian homeland. Russia's military is primarily defensive in nature, so her foreign adventures must be limited.

We could forcibly remove the Russians from Syria, but are we willing to lose an Aircraft Carrier or two to do it. Politically such an attempt would probably break NATO, as most European countries have no interest in war with Russia.

As Nate has correctly pointed out, this Syria mess is all about a pipeline. If there is a good reason to start WWIII, this ain't it.

Also, Russia is not going to go 'poof' in some sort of demographic implosion. She will lose some population, barring a return of the Russian diaspora, but so are most countries in Europe.

Blogger Giraffe December 18, 2015 10:18 AM  

Question, would you put your own son/(or now daughter) in the cockpit to enforce a no fly zone over Syria?

Anonymous KoranBurningFaggot December 18, 2015 10:23 AM  

Gov. Chris Christie, would need a legion of taste testers, he would have a bus in his motorcade for them. The question is "Could he avoid eating a doughnut that he knew had polonium in I?" Its bad enough he doesn't know which side to fight in Syria.

The USA would have its ass handed to it by Russia.

The ultra heavy black transvestite infantry marches on its stomach.

That damned to hell faggot Ryan makes the fag boehner look like a damn saint

NAFALT- Not All Faggots Are Like That

US democratization efforts in Ukraine provoked that conflict. Unfortunately

Stealing 33 tons of gold, hiring mercs, shooting down an airliner, & putting Biden's cocaine snorting son in charge of the Natural Gas reserves is "democratization"?

Blogger Robert Coble December 18, 2015 10:42 AM  

Curiouser and curiouser. . .

Our erstwhile ISIS and al_Qaeda "enemies" (that we seem to have clandestinely funded and supported against our other "enemy" Bashar al-Assad; see Benghazi) in Iraq and Syria have been so successful on the ground because of their air superiority. Consequently, we must establish and enforce a "no fly zone" while carefully avoiding any entanglement of ruby red slippers, er, "boots" on the ground.

There's nothing quite like listening to a group of arm-chair military geniuses discuss the best way to engage the enemy in an arena from which he is totally absent. Too bad the one true military man Sen. Lindsey Graham (with bona fide battlefield service in the USAF as a Juris Doctor) was kept off the main stage. I'm sure he could have come up with a more "inclusive" plan for defeating ISIS and sending those Russian cretins running back to Moscow tout de suite, perhaps by talking them to death with legalese jabberwocky.

Why am I beginning to like everything about Donald Trump?

Blogger Bluntobj Winz December 18, 2015 11:04 AM  

Anyone recall "Twilight 2000"? The pen & paper rpg...

Blogger Salt December 18, 2015 11:07 AM  

Why am I beginning to like everything about Donald Trump?

"Media outlets report that a Riverheads High School teacher last week asked students to complete an assignment that included practicing calligraphy and writing a Muslim statement of faith."

Because he says he'll send them home.

Blogger Robert Coble December 18, 2015 11:36 AM  

Curiouser and curiouser. . .

Our erstwhile ISIS and al_Qaeda "enemies" (that we seem to have clandestinely funded and supported against our other "enemy" Bashar al-Assad; see Benghazi) in Iraq and Syria have been so successful on the ground because of their air superiority. Consequently, we must establish and enforce a "no fly zone" while carefully avoiding any entanglement of ruby red slippers, er, "boots" on the ground.

There's nothing quite like listening to a group of arm-chair military geniuses discuss the best way to engage the enemy in an arena from which he is totally absent. Too bad the one true military man Sen. Lindsey Graham (with bona fide battlefield service in the USAF as a Juris Doctor) was kept off the main stage. I'm sure he could have come up with a more "inclusive" plan for defeating ISIS and sending those Russian cretins running back to Moscow tout de suite, perhaps by talking them to death with legalese jabberwocky.

Why am I beginning to like everything about Donald Trump?

Blogger RobertT December 18, 2015 11:48 AM  

I'm concerned you overrate the American military. I have the feeling our superiority lies primarily in our imagination.

Blogger Doom December 18, 2015 11:59 AM  

"This is precisely how great military powers manage to lose wars; they overrate their capabilities, sufficiently alarm enough enemies to cause them to band together, and try to fight a multiple-front war."

That is indeed how some great powers lose. It is also how, with traitors in office, great powers are set to be plundered or diminished. Which, today, would be the case.

OpenID sigbouncer December 18, 2015 12:02 PM  

I've always enjoyed Pat Buchanan. Very intelligent guy. I was discussing this very subject after either the first or second debate when idiots like Bush and Fiorina first advocated the no fly zone. What an assinine move that would be.

I asked my friend with whom I was discussing this with if she wanted to risk a nuclear war with Russia over a Syria/Middle East conflict? Because that is the bottom line here.

Also I wouldn't be so sure we could take Russia militarily in a neutral location? An area where the Russians would surely have significant support from other countries within that region. And an area where Russia has already brought in their big guns and warships.

OpenID Jack Amok December 18, 2015 12:14 PM  

Stealing 33 tons of gold, hiring mercs, shooting down an airliner, & putting Biden's cocaine snorting son in charge of the Natural Gas reserves is "democratization"?

It's consistent with the sort of "democrats" doing it.

Anyone recall "Twilight 2000"? The pen & paper rpg...

Ah, shall we play the Pirates of the Vistula campaign?

Blogger Curtis December 18, 2015 12:15 PM  

Maybe. If it were just contained in Syria. But it would not just be contained in Syria. It would escalate. NATO FOB's would be annihilated in a thunder of missiles. In every conceivable NATO game-play, Russia hands NATO its ass in E. Europe. Guam would go up in smoke. An Aircraft Carrier would be swimming under the Mediterranean Sea. Istanbul would be occupied by Russia amongst its ruins.

As if anyone remembers that incident in the Black Sea, it happened again in Syria, and two Israel fighters hi-tailed it back home.

The only communications channel left was the high-frequency AM band normally used by civilian air traffic controllers. After the stealth technology was turned on and it was clear to the Russians that the Israelis knew they had been shut down, the Russian air traffic controllers used this AM band to tell the Israelis to scram. The Israelis complied.

It is possible that Turkey, on behalf of NATO shot down that Russian fighter, hoping Russia would turn it on again and get a peek.

No one is going to hand Russia its ass. And Russia is not going to be anyone's bitch.

Makes you wonder what fantasy-land these people live in.

Anonymous patrick kelly December 18, 2015 12:16 PM  

Well crap, might as well blow my ammo budget on good Scotch and Cigars and await my death in a big green glowy mushroom cloud...and that's the best case scenario.

Blogger Unknown December 18, 2015 12:37 PM  

@40 KBF ``Stealing 33 tons of gold, hiring mercs, shooting down an airliner, & putting Biden's cocaine snorting son in charge of the Natural Gas reserves is "democratization"?''

Yes, pretty much. Kleptocracy, demogogery and disaster are essential to democracy as we impose it on the world.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar December 18, 2015 12:40 PM  

You're watching the NWo dying here. none of these putzes are leaders, they are political whores who sell influence. Trump is a reality star who takes B-level celebs as fake apprentices.
Pay no attention to the day to day polling and media heads puking the narrative nobody cares about anymore. A War is one of the last gasps these paraistes use to cover the sea of red ink and bankruptcies their insatiable greed causes.
WWII saved their bacon form the Last Depression, they might gin up another one hoping to get the Dead Horse running again. They're already dead. The only question is are you willing to die with them?

Blogger Curtis December 18, 2015 12:40 PM  

@50

Depends. Where do you live? http://tinyurl.com/jx7m9hr

Anonymous patrick kelly December 18, 2015 12:50 PM  

@53

Way too close to red areas to feel any warm'n'fuzzier about it.

Anonymous TLM December 18, 2015 12:55 PM  

These are our SF guys in Libya. They look like an add for LL Bean. The Russians would kick the shit out of us now.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/12/18/09/2F7AF59200000578-0-image-a-20_1450430665238.jpg

Blogger James Dixon December 18, 2015 1:04 PM  

> It is also how, with traitors in office,

To be a traitor, one has to at least pretend to be on the side one is betraying. Obama, at least, has never even pretended to be on our side.

Blogger rycamor December 18, 2015 1:17 PM  

If Trump really wanted to reassure the far-right wing while sticking it to the Republican elite, he would ask Rand Paul to be his running mate. I know Cruz is the favoured one, but he has been a little slippery on immigration, and there's the close bankster ties...

Blogger James Dixon December 18, 2015 1:28 PM  

> If Trump really wanted to reassure the far-right wing while sticking it to the Republican elite, he would ask Rand Paul to be his running mate.

We can hope, but I'm not optimistic.

Blogger OneWingedShark December 18, 2015 2:28 PM  

@57 "If Trump really wanted to reassure the far-right wing while sticking it to the Republican elite, he would ask Rand Paul to be his running mate."

Really? I kinda get the impression that Rand Paul is just talk and banking on his father's reputation, while pretty much an insider.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother December 18, 2015 2:31 PM  

At least we can say that Cruz is really screwing the banksters!

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother December 18, 2015 2:31 PM  

At least we can say that Cruz is really screwing the banksters!

Anonymous A.B. Prosper December 18, 2015 3:11 PM  

#38 , Russia actually had some native population growth recently, 200k or so among non Muslim White people. It wasn't large and was probably demographic momentum but it isn't nothing.

#48 Pirates of the Vistula? Now there is a name I haven't heard in some time.

#52 Exactly, the US is falling apart and empires that begin to implode, a process that could take decades BtW often act quite irrationally. I just hope those idiots don't poke The Bear with a stick since The Bear can poke back a lot harder than we are used too.

Of course if that did happen and the military was smashed it could be the catalyst we need to get some things done Stateside.

That was the premise used in the Archdruid Greer's How it Could Happen web series

Blogger Skylark Thibedeau December 18, 2015 3:35 PM  

The UK and Germany spent the last 20 years downsizing their military to pay for East Asians to go on the dole. I believe the RAF is down to 127 airframes and the Army is down to one Armoured Brigade. The entire Bundeswehr has less tanks than the Afrika Korps. There could be Cossacks watering their horses in the Seine for the Bicentennial of Napolean's defeat if Putin so desired.

OpenID sigbouncer December 18, 2015 4:07 PM  

"If Trump really wanted to reassure the far-right wing while sticking it to the Republican elite, he would ask Rand Paul to be his running mate."


My money is on Trump selecting a female running mate. And likely a good looking female. As that has been Trump's history in his businesses.

I'd look for it to be between Nikki Haley, Kristi Noem, Kelly Ayotte or Pam Bondi.

Blogger Artisanal Toad December 18, 2015 6:31 PM  

The problem is most people don't understand the two greatest threats to the US. It isn't nukes, bio weapons or terrorism. The first problem is we're sitting on a bomb called the Yellowstone Caldera, a super-volcano. The second is a volcano in the western Canary Islands called Cumbre Vieja. You might want to check wikipedia and read the (very conservative) data.

Trigger a massive earthquake such that the western escarpment of Cumbre Vieja goes into the ocean and 6 hours later you can kiss the east coast of the US goodbye. That includes NYC, and there goes the financial system. That triggers a derivatives meltdown and takes down the world's financial system (but look- Russia, et al, are setting up another one right now in China). Trigger Yellowstone and there goes the US breadbasket.

While nuclear weapons can accomplish this, it isn't necessary beccause scalar weapons can trigger earthquakes and cause volcanoes to erupt. That's not conspiracy theory unless you consider Sec. Def. William Cohen to be a conspiracy theorist- he was talking about this publicly back in 1997. Russia heads the list of countries that have scalar weapons (for the US, HAARP is an example).

With no plastic cards working, the supply chain broken and everyone armed to the teeth the shooting starts. If it happens at the beginning of winter 80% of the population will be dead by spring. Game, set, match. With world cereal grain stocks at an all-time low you're looking at worldwide famine. Why? Because the last time the Yellowstone Caldera blew it threw an estimated 240 cubic miles of debris into the atmosphere. By way of example, when Tambora blew in 1815 it only threw about 10 cubic miles of debris into the atmosphere but that was enough to cause global cooling and 1816 was known as the year without a summer. If Yellowstone blew and threw up only a quarter of what occurred in the last explosion (60 cubic miles) you're looking at a depopulation event...

Such an explosion could even trigger a mini ice age. Mass famine and starvation combined with a vacuum in the worldwide power structure would trigger resource wars everywhere.

And the best part of it? Such an attack will be perceived as an act of God...

Blogger PRCalDude December 18, 2015 6:37 PM  

"Said Gov. John Kasich, “It’s time we punched the Russians in the nose.”

Who is "we?" Will John Kasich or his sons - if any - be fighting or will it just be the usual demoralized middle American whites?

Blogger PRCalDude December 18, 2015 6:52 PM  

"Consequently, we must establish and enforce a "no fly zone" while carefully avoiding any entanglement of ruby red slippers, er, "boots" on the ground."

In the press there were reports of the United STates recalling the Patriot batteries we loaned Turkey in October. I suspect we never took them back and they are still being used by the Turks to create a de-facto no-fly zone while they continue to supply ISIS.

Supplying one party in a war eventually involves fighting with that party in the war. In the old days, we supported our Anglo-Saxon brethren in the UK. These days, the US and UK elites support their Sunni brethren overseas. Muslim Brotherhood indeed! I've noticed a fair number of US politicians marrying or becoming romantically involved with Muslim immigrants. Huma comes to mind.

Blogger Were-Puppy December 18, 2015 7:08 PM  

@1 John Red Eagle

A full generation after the end of the cold war, and these geniuses can't let go of the idea of Russia as the permanent enemy.
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This one was so ingrained in many of us for so long before the wall came down. It is still a little shocking to me when i see someone saying positive things about Putin. But we have to be able to look at the evidence as best we can, and lately that has made Putin seem a lot better than our useless bunch of "rulers".

Blogger Were-Puppy December 18, 2015 7:14 PM  

@5 SevenCrimes

These geniuses want to start WW3 with Russia in order to defend Islamic radicals, and yet they want to paint Trump as the dangerous lunatic.
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Look at our pal Linda Graham proving your point.

Any time one of these idiot politicians starts yappin' about ISIL it is pure irritating.

A couple of rhetoric attempts lately, not sure how effective but they are funny:

Obomil can't say Isis

and lately instead of Obama i've been putting Obamis

Blogger Were-Puppy December 18, 2015 7:18 PM  

@9 SteelPalm

Kasich is a comically stupid buffoon, even among the likes of Christie, Jeb!, etc. but I still cracked up laughing at the line “It’s time we punched the Russians in the nose.”

This is the equivalent of a frail, 110-pound weakling threatening to beat up a collegiate amateur wrestler after watching one too many kung-fu movies.
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This guy was the 2nd most ridiculous clown in both debates, and that's saying something :P

I could swear he was going to put out someones eye with those flapadoodle arms.

The Kasich-Fu is strong with this one LOL

For a quick bit of entertainment, queue up one of his answers, turn the sound off and speed up the replay x4 or so.

Blogger Curtis December 18, 2015 7:29 PM  

Here is a nice propaganda piece on Muslim convert Hagel stabbed in the back by Obama, but Obama is still a swell guy.

http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/12/18/hagel-the-white-house-tried-to-destroy-me/

...during the height of then-Defense Minister Abdel Fattah al-Sisi’s crackdown on the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, Hagel’s aides boasted about the dozens of times the U.S. defense chief was speaking to his Egyptian counterpart and touted Hagel as the administration’s main conduit to Cairo. Left unsaid was that Sisi ignored Hagel’s entreaties and continued his brutal campaign to repress the group.

Muslim Bros indeed.

Blogger Were-Puppy December 18, 2015 7:31 PM  

@31 Thomas Davidsmeier

Seriously, Russia is a predominantly Christian nation now. They should be a natural ally in the actual war of civilizations that is going on. The reason they think of themselves at the third Rome is not just because they are an empire, it is because they are the unconquered seat of Christian Orthodoxy since Rome and Constantinople (the second Rome) fell.
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To this i wonder what happened to all the communists?

Also, the last part puts a particular twist to Turkey shooting down a Russian plane. That might come in handy later if they want to retake former byzantine territory.

Blogger Were-Puppy December 18, 2015 7:49 PM  

@40 KoranBurningFaggot

NAFALT- Not All Faggots Are Like That

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But some are

Blogger Were-Puppy December 18, 2015 8:06 PM  

@65 Artisanal Toad

Such an explosion could even trigger a mini ice age. Mass famine and starvation combined with a vacuum in the worldwide power structure would trigger resource wars everywhere.
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There's been 20-30 made for SyFy movies with that same plot.

Blogger Alexandros December 18, 2015 8:39 PM  

If you had personally seen the state of the American infantry, I don't think you would be saying that we could beat Russia in any kind of war that involves Joe.

This is against untrained brownpeople:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoTCO9XBnXo

It's worse now. When you see what Russia has even their conscripts do... I have no doubt that their fighting man is far superior to ours.

The American infantry is a sad joke; when Joe gets out of the army, he gets recruited by Russian thinktanks to live in Moscow and tell them how bad the American military is.

I understand that those meetings are filled with howling laughter.

Blogger SciVo December 18, 2015 9:52 PM  

It's so odd that any national politicians would speak against a great white Christian power. Why, it's almost like the donor class are against white Christians. So strange.

Blogger Bernard Brandt December 18, 2015 11:29 PM  

I seldom come here anymore, but lurk in the shadows, just in case there is some intelligent comment by the commentors. I don't doubt of any intelligent comment from Vox. That has been proven far too many times for any doubt, at least on my part.

But if there were any doubt that Trump was unfit for public office, at least for me, it has been dispelled by this link. My apologies for not putting it into link form:

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/17/politics/russia-putin-trump

In short, if this news can be trusted, Vladimir Putin has both complimented and endorsed Donald Trump. And Trump has reciprocated.

This is a game changer. I used to call this presidential race a choice between the Blowhard and the First Felon. No more.

If this news is accurate, Trump has accomplished what neither Shrub the Elder, Clinton the Philanderer, Shrub the Younger, The Great and Powerful O, nor the First Felon with her damnable and damned 'Reset Button' have been able to accomplish: some measure of respect from Putin.

Blogger Danby December 19, 2015 12:54 AM  

@77 Bernard Brandt
If this news (Trump accepting Putin's endorsement) is accurate, Trump has accomplished what neither Shrub the Elder, Clinton the Philanderer, Shrub the Younger, The Great and Powerful O, nor the First Felon with her damnable and damned 'Reset Button' have been able to accomplish: some measure of respect from Putin.

It's not clear from you comment whether you think this circumstance is unacceptable or wonderful. Please clarify.

One other thing Trump vf has accomplished, contact with reality and the realization that Russia is not our enemy.

Blogger Bernard Brandt December 19, 2015 1:02 AM  

Dear Danby,

My apologies if I have been in any way unclear, but I find it to be a marvelous thing. For once, I am impressed. And favorably so.

I would also agree with you that he has accomplished both contact with reality, and the realization that Russia is not our enemy. This is, of course, far more than can be said for or against any of the other candidates at present.

Blogger John rockwell December 19, 2015 6:55 AM  

Nations not matter how powerful like people are mortal

Blogger SciVo December 19, 2015 11:37 AM  

Were-Puppy @72: Also, the last part puts a particular twist to Turkey shooting down a Russian plane. That might come in handy later if they want to retake former byzantine territory.

I would be down for that. There are two obstacles, one of which is of course Turkey's own military, which is not that shabby. The other is their membership in NATO, so I'm looking for a pretext for revoking that.

We have a complicated relationship because they have a complicated history. The way that Constantinople became Istanbul is rage-inducing, I literally see red. The way that the Ottomans manipulated the Janissaries is clever and hateful. Then they became secular, but then there's also the way they allowed the popular genocide of the Christian Armenians.

We also have a complicated relationship with Russia, those crazy chess-players. They're different and untrustworthy, but at least they're Christian again, and I would support them against the Turks 100%.

Blogger SciVo December 19, 2015 7:34 PM  

rycamor @57: If Trump really wanted to reassure the far-right wing while sticking it to the Republican elite, he would ask Rand Paul to be his running mate. I know Cruz is the favoured one, but he has been a little slippery on immigration, and there's the close bankster ties...

For some reason, Scott Adams has been talking about Mark Cuban. I don't know why.

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