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Thursday, December 31, 2015

Who needs seminary?

I know when I've got a question concerning some of the trickier aspects of Tertullian or the Summa Theologica, the first person I always turn to is a journalist:
Every journalist in America has been secretly attending seminary, and now understands Christianity better than most Christians do. This is the only conclusion I can draw after months of theology lectures from reporters whose most recent encounter with religious terminology was Hozier’s “Take Me to Church.”

To those of us for whom church isn’t a metaphor for sex, it’s been a frustrating few months. First, the chattering class endlessly assured Christian bakers, restaurant-owners, photographers, and florists that Jesus would be totally down with making same-sex nuptials fabulous (and presumably, with paying the $135,000 fine for those who felt differently).

Then, in the wake of June’s gay “marriage” decision at the Supreme Court, we got an earful about how mean and un-Christian it would be not to attend same-sex “weddings.” (Wouldn’t you know it, we’ve been reading the Bible wrong all these centuries!) Then the Kim-pocalypse struck, and we were treated to smug editorials on how the Kentucky clerk’s faith represents the dark side of Christianity, while those who ignore tertiary topics like—say—God’s design for human sexuality in favor of social justice issues, are the good Christians. (I once was blind, but now I see!)
Sci-fi writers are nearly as bad. The one thing - the ONE thing - they know about Christian theology is John 8:1-10. Of course, apparently they never proceed to verse 11, which states: "go forth and sin no more."

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Blogger Markku December 31, 2015 11:51 AM  

Also:

John 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

Christians are obligated to judge. Jesus very clearly and directly commands it. To not judge is to be an apostate.

Blogger Robert What? December 31, 2015 11:53 AM  

Remember the "good old days" when the homosexual activists said that all they wanted was to be left alone to live their lives in peace? Now, they don't want your tolerance. They don't even want your acceptance. Only your enthusiastic celebration is acceptable.

Blogger Rabbi B December 31, 2015 11:54 AM  

These jokers just think they're demonstrating what hypocrites we are by (mis)using a book they haven't a clue about in hopes of shaming us into placing our seal of approval on their immorality.

Why do they work so hard to solicit OUR approval of their "life choices"? Why do they need OUR validation so much?

They can't rest so long as they know somewhere, out there, are people living lives dedicated to what is true and right. Short answer, we are light, the light shines in the darkness, the light exposes the deeds of darkness, and men hate the light and love the darkness.

May we continue to let our light so shine before men. The last thing we should be doing in this day and age is hiding it under a bowl.

This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that their deeds will be exposed.

(cf. John 3)

Blogger Christopher Yost December 31, 2015 12:03 PM  

Forcing that bakery (family owned?) is wrong. The fine is atrocious.

Kim, however, serves in government. She doesn't get to use personal beliefs to trump freedoms.

If she cannot perform the job then she needs to be removed from it.

Having an option to end-run the clerks is an "eh" resolution.

Anonymous TLM December 31, 2015 12:04 PM  

2. Remember the 'good old days' when churches worshipped in reverence on Christmas Eve with Silent Night.

http://www.piratechristian.com/museum-of-idolatry/2015/12/hillsongs-sleazy-silent-night

With crap like that I can see why the unbelievers may think they have a better understanding of the Scripture than your avg. churchian.

Blogger Student in Blue December 31, 2015 12:04 PM  

Here is the link for anyone wanting to read the article referenced

Anonymous Willy Shakespeare December 31, 2015 12:15 PM  

The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose.
An evil soul producing holy witness
Is like a villain with a smiling cheek,
A goodly apple rotten at the heart.
O, what a goodly outside falsehood hath.

Blogger Gapeseed December 31, 2015 12:19 PM  

Columbia Journalism teaches a class on religion and journalism, and it is a popular class, albeit perhaps due to the travel to exotic locales the class affords.

Anonymous zen0 the Ephemeral December 31, 2015 12:24 PM  

Rev 6
10 They cried out with a loud voice, “O Sovereign Lord, holy and true, how long before you will judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?”


And He saith unto them, "That is rather un-Christian of you, yes?

Blogger James Dixon December 31, 2015 12:24 PM  

> Kim, however, serves in government. She doesn't get to use personal beliefs to trump freedoms.

What "freedoms" are her personal beliefs trumping?

Anonymous VFM #39 December 31, 2015 12:30 PM  

Ah hell, I have two seminary degrees, and they are worth squat. The majority of seminary professors are Churchian SJWs who don't really hold Chrisitan doctrine.

Give me a solid man well-read in the Fathers and Scripture over a seminary trained cleric any day.

As a full-time priest, it took me years to recover from my semi-arian education. Or should I say cemetery education?

Blogger Student in Blue December 31, 2015 12:30 PM  

@10
What "freedoms" are her personal beliefs trumping?

The freedom to governmentally-recognized monogamous sodomy, y'know, right after freedom of speech and right before freedom to assemble?

Anonymous Susan December 31, 2015 12:34 PM  

It is truly bizarre that Satan is willing to bow down before God and acknowledge His authority, while leftists not only get the Bible all wrong, they refuse to acknowledge even God's very existence.
Satan must be having a good laugh at them.

Blogger James Dixon December 31, 2015 12:39 PM  

> The freedom to governmentally-recognized monogamous sodomy, y'know, right after freedom of speech and right before freedom to assemble?

I suspect that actually is his argument, SiB, but we'll just have to wait and see if he enlightens us.

Blogger dienw December 31, 2015 12:41 PM  

Kim, however, serves in government. She doesn't get to use personal beliefs to trump freedoms.

Interesting point of view. I will wait with bated breath to hear your defense of government clerks enforcing legal pedophilia or child euthanasia as in Belgium; because, you know, it's a new right and Christianity or moral judgment just doesn't belong....

Blogger Rabbi B December 31, 2015 12:44 PM  

"Kim, however, serves in government. She doesn't get to use personal beliefs to trump freedoms."

I wonder what Daniel, Shadrach, Meshech, and Abednego would have done.

Blogger Were-Puppy December 31, 2015 12:45 PM  

@4 Christopher Yost

Kim, however, serves in government. She doesn't get to use personal beliefs to trump freedoms.
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The Supreme Court sure as hell does.

Blogger Neanderserk December 31, 2015 12:45 PM  

Since we are to judge angels, how shall we not also judge men? It is those whose judgment is so flawed they fail to recognize the Son of God, who are unfit to judge.

Blogger John Wright December 31, 2015 12:57 PM  

@4

"Kim, however, serves in government. She doesn't get to use personal beliefs to trump freedoms."

After all, who could object to burning a pinch of incense to Divine Caesar?

Who could object to trampling a cross, if the Japanese Emperor or the Sultan of Turkey has passed a law requiring this act?

To the Lions with her!

Besides, you lying worm, she did not prevent her office from issuing the license, she merely asked someone else's name, not hers, appear on the license, because Christians cannot participate or condone or aid in acts of abomination and sin.

Anonymous Ain December 31, 2015 1:04 PM  

@13 "It is truly bizarre that Satan is willing to bow down before God and acknowledge His authority, while leftists not only get the Bible all wrong, they refuse to acknowledge even God's very existence.
Satan must be having a good laugh at them."


That's all part of the game he's playing. The evil one thinks he's going to be on top, some day. As for his followers, they're useful idiots. They always have been. They'll be used and discarded.

Blogger Calvin December 31, 2015 1:09 PM  

In fairness, many actual seminaries these days aren't too much better.

Anonymous Ain December 31, 2015 1:13 PM  

@21, that's all by design, too. Working as intended.

Blogger Lovekraft December 31, 2015 1:17 PM  

@ Student in Blue: thanks for the link. I went there to see if it was Jim Goad (from Takimag) or John Nolte (from Breitbart). Both have a style similar to Morris.

Satire and ridicule work so well on sjws. This I think is because they hide their faults behind 'speech codes' and skewered performance evaluations so that they are above criticism, backed by state force.

Blogger Austin Ballast December 31, 2015 1:32 PM  

Good answers to CYost already, but I would add: Should agents of the government participate in taking people's guns if 5 black robed justices decide that is what they will on the entire country?

Their decision was not just and should be opposed.

Blogger Aeoli Pera December 31, 2015 1:34 PM  

It boggles my mind that people have trouble understanding what Christianity is. It's the Gospel. Everything else- the history, philosophy, art, dogmas, heresies- is all fluff and ultimately irrelevant. If it includes the Gospel, it's Christianity, and if it doesn't it's not. The name is not accidental.

tl;dr- All people sin, sinners go to Hell, believe in Jesus and be saved.

Why believe? Coming back to life is an unusual talent for a mere historical figurehead. We know he was resurrected because the history books say so, plus the authorities of the time were thoughtful enough to torture the eyewitnesses to death and observe they still wouldn't recant. That's as certain as you can be about anything.

The rest, as I mentioned, is fluff.

Blogger Nick S December 31, 2015 1:39 PM  

Should people be judged for displaying a flag that is offensive to a significant portion of the poulation? #burntherainbow

Anonymous NorthernHamlet December 31, 2015 1:46 PM  

If by chance, I was invited to a gay wedding, I know I'd start laughing.

Anonymous Epimandes December 31, 2015 1:47 PM  

It's funny because John 8:1-11 is not part of the Bible. It has its origin as a folk tale that some scribe decided to place in John for good measure, but the earliest manuscripts do no have it.

Anonymous AT December 31, 2015 1:48 PM  

I've always found it verrrrrry interesting that John 8:1-10 is both missing from the earliest Greek manuscripts of the NT, and also the passage of scripture mostly frequently cited to justify sinful behavior. Many theologians argue for keeping this in the canon for various reasons, but perhaps it was really an epic propaganda win for Satan.

Blogger Skylark Thibedeau December 31, 2015 1:54 PM  

@27 It's like Juvenal said in the Satires: "A noble man, Gracchus, gets married to another man – but such brides are infertile no matter what drugs they try or how much they are whipped in the Lupercalia." Some things never change.

Blogger Student in Blue December 31, 2015 1:56 PM  

John 8:6 is also interesting, "This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him[...]"

Unless stoning was a very uncommon act at the time, this is a very weird way to trap someone. 'By the law, this should happen. Do you agree y/n?'

Jesus had already proven himself to be a very learned scholar of the Law, and when people had tested him in other ways, they asked him far more subtle and uncertain questions.

I may simply be missing something in terms of social context of the day, but it's a weird thing at first glance.

Blogger Eric Castle December 31, 2015 2:00 PM  

@11

I am not sure of your training background but can agree that many of the even so-called "conservative" Christian colleges are being overrun by broken and self-worshipping theology.

It all really begins with interpretation philosophy. I can know everything I need to know about an entire Bible chair or program from whether A. a study of Biblical Exegesis and Hermeneutics exists; and B. whether that class is sane.

If that foundational class is broken, it does not matter what the other courses are. If you are not trained to let the Bible speak, you are wasting your time. As an aside...journalists are horrible at exegetical analysis of ANY subject, so Biblical studies is no surprise to me.

Blogger Rabbi B December 31, 2015 2:01 PM  

"It's funny because John 8:1-11 is not part of the Bible. It has its origin as a folk tale that some scribe decided to place in John for good measure, but the earliest manuscripts do no have it."

We have to trust that G-d saw fit to leave it in and as such, is no "folk tale" and is no less inspired and therefore no less useful for correction and training in righteousness.

Anonymous Trimegistus December 31, 2015 2:02 PM  

The flip side is that it's equally hilarious when journalists praise the Pope for his enlightened, liberal stance when he says something which has been Church doctrine for a couple of millennia.

Anonymous Epimandes December 31, 2015 2:06 PM  

"We have to trust that G-d saw fit to leave it in and as such, is no "folk tale" and is no less inspired and therefore no less useful for correction and training in righteousness."

I trust that God saw fit to give us textual criticism and historical manuscripts, along with the appropriately trained Bible teachers, to lead us to what the Word of God is in addition to how to best interpret it. After all, most of us don't include Bel and the Dragon in our bibles, even though it was "left-in" in the LXX and was for a long time considered to be part of the Bible.

Blogger Desiderius December 31, 2015 2:09 PM  

The Rule of Faith renders whatever opinions they pull out of their asses null and void.

Blogger Ben Cohen December 31, 2015 2:12 PM  

Dark Lord Consulting? Damn, that's funny!

Blogger Skylark Thibedeau December 31, 2015 2:12 PM  

There is something that is Missing in John 8:1 if you notice. It says : "And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst, They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act. "

In Leviticus 20:10 it says "And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death."

Where was the Man she was caught in the act with? Was he in the crowd of scribes and Pharisees that sought to stone her? Was Jesus writing the name of all of them who had had adulterous relations with the prostitute in the dirt? Had they all sinned with her and needed to be stoned with her?

Blogger Rabbi B December 31, 2015 2:14 PM  

@35 Epimandes

You asserted that it was not part of the Bible. My point is simply that your assertion is untrue. It is part of the Bible. That much is demonstrable.

Agreeing on whether it should be a part of the Bible, well now, that is another kettle of fish all together.

Blogger Beau December 31, 2015 2:41 PM  

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Blogger Student in Blue December 31, 2015 2:42 PM  

@40. Beau

Beau, that's still conflating "ought to be in the Bible" with "IS in the Bible".

Blogger Beau December 31, 2015 2:43 PM  

My point is simply that your assertion is untrue. It is part of the Bible. That much is demonstrable.

No. Deutero-canonical is as social justice is to justice.

Blogger John Wright December 31, 2015 2:43 PM  

It boggles my mind that people have trouble understanding what Christianity is. It's the Church. Everything else - the heretical attempts of Mahound or Martin Luther to reduce, simplify, or eliminate whatever organic and central aspects of the Holy Spirit they don't like - is all fluff and ultimately irrelevant. If it includes the One, True, Holy and Apostolic Church, it's Christianity, and if it doesn't it's not. The name is not accidental.

Glad we got that straight. The lecture notes the living teacher organized in the Fifth Century for your life and edification were not meant to replace your living relationship with the Living Holy Spirit.

Anonymous VFM #39 December 31, 2015 2:45 PM  

@32

You are correct, a proper hermeneutic is essential. Break that, break the faith.

Blogger Bernard Brandt December 31, 2015 2:49 PM  

By the bye, VD, that's 'Summa Theologiae', not 'Summa Theologica'. It's a common mistake, but you're an uncommon man. I thought you'd like to know.

And VFM #39, I am in complete agreement with you: a deep and broad knowledge of Scripture, the Fathers (Greek, Latin, Syriac and Coptic), and Church History are far preferable to most 'cemetery' education these days.

Anonymous Hernt December 31, 2015 2:55 PM  

Skylark:

That has always been my thoughts on this matter as well. That they delivered only the woman and not the man means the Torah law was not upheld and Yahshua would not condemn her.

Anonymous Hernt December 31, 2015 2:58 PM  

Skylark:

That has always been my thoughts on this matter as well. That they delivered only the woman and not the man means the Torah law was not upheld and Yahshua would not condemn her.

Anonymous Wyrd December 31, 2015 2:58 PM  

By the bye, VD, that's 'Summa Theologiae', not 'Summa Theologica'. It's a common mistake, but you're an uncommon man. I thought you'd like to know.

Currently reading a translation of Summa Theologiae into English via Amazon. I wonder if Amazon shift its profit to pro-immigration groups in Europe like they do the PEGIDA song.

Blogger Student in Blue December 31, 2015 3:01 PM  

@43. John Wright

It boggles my mind that people have trouble understanding what Christianity is. It's the Church.

Why certainly, that's why the most important thing is to get every warm body into the Church halls, regardless of what is taught. It's why Churchianity is such a positive and edifying compliment. It's why Jesus of Nazareth spent all of His life on Earth convincing people to join His local temple instead of proclaiming the Truth and fulfilling the Old Testament.

Blogger Aeoli Pera December 31, 2015 3:05 PM  

@43 John Wright,

I forget, are you talking about the one true holier-than-thou church or NAMBLA? It's so hard to tell when they're both filled to the brim with atheists and chickenhawks.

Blogger Aeoli Pera December 31, 2015 3:47 PM  

I recently had the same conversation with an Eastern Orthodox nun who also happens to be a lesbian AND an atheist. She was raised by a female Lutheran pastor and was unfamiliar with the idea that sinners go to Hell, but she could quote all kinds of history, tradition, and doctrine.

So what's the point if she's going to Hell anyway? The Gospel is non-negotiable.

Anonymous Wyrd December 31, 2015 4:12 PM  

...or Martin Luther to reduce...

Martin Luther encouraged music and dance, so piss off.

Blogger Nick S December 31, 2015 4:24 PM  

I have only one burning question: Why do my dogs carry mouthfuls of dry dog food from the kitchen and drop it on the living room carpet before they eat it?

Anonymous Ain December 31, 2015 4:29 PM  

#43 "It boggles my mind that people have trouble understanding what Christianity is. It's the Church."

If that be the case, then I am a Believer in the Gospel.

Blogger Markku December 31, 2015 4:34 PM  

I hope Catholics join the Church one day. You know, to "come out of her".

Blogger Elocutioner December 31, 2015 4:38 PM  

Am I going to need popcorn for this?

Blogger Bernard Brandt December 31, 2015 4:59 PM  

Am I going to need popcorn for this?

Probably. Do it right, though, and pop it in a kettle or a pan with a tight fitting lid. Pour enough popcorn kernals in to cover the bottom of the pan in a loose single layer. Pour in enough olive oil to make a dry slurry. Add a quarter stick of butter, with a few grinds of sea salt. Put it on the stove, wait until the butter melts, then put the lid on and wait until the popcorn starts popping. Then shake the pan, making sure the lid stays on, until a couple of seconds after the popping stops. Pour contents into a big bowl of your choice. Add spices immediately (mignonette pepper or Montreal steak seasoning work well). Shake the bowl until the spices settle. Then enjoy.

It certainly beats this 'my church is better than your church' shite.

Blogger Markku December 31, 2015 5:02 PM  

Shite that is almost always started by Catholics, and usually by John C. Wright.

Blogger S1AL December 31, 2015 5:08 PM  

Something, something, traditions of men.

Blogger Markku December 31, 2015 5:09 PM  

To be fair, it was occasionally stated by Porky, but we kicked Porky out.

Blogger S1AL December 31, 2015 5:15 PM  

I have a Pharisee/Sadducee view of the whole thing.

Blogger SirHamster December 31, 2015 5:17 PM  

@1:
Christians are obligated to judge. Jesus very clearly and directly commands it. To not judge is to be an apostate.

Related: When Christians are told to address the log in their own eye before dealing with the sawdust in their brother's eye, they aren't told to ignore the sawdust.


@31
John 8:6 is also interesting, "This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him[...]"

Unless stoning was a very uncommon act at the time, this is a very weird way to trap someone. 'By the law, this should happen. Do you agree y/n?'


Tektonics has a side note on the topic here.

"Because the Romans held the rule of life and death and the right to implement CP, this was a challenge to Jesus to commit sedition. If he had said, "Go ahead," he would have been arrested."

Note that later, the Jews didn't execute Jesus themselves, but had to appeal to the Roman authorities to do so.

Blogger Noah B #120 December 31, 2015 5:25 PM  

Meanwhile the US is entering a dangerous new phase of attempting to criminalize thought crimes and unpopular speech. The FBI is offering a $5,000 reward for information about bacon placed at a mosque.

From a Christian or secular point of view, this is a harmless act of free speech. To view placing bacon at a mosque as an act of desecration constituting a criminal offense is to embrace Islamic theology while rejecting both Christian and secular views. In other words, the US government has gone completely schizo.

Most leftists still have yet to realize that the beast they created has turned against them.

Blogger Elocutioner December 31, 2015 5:27 PM  

Thanks for the recipe.

I'm no Biblical scholar so I usually learn a few things from the religion fights.

Blogger dienw December 31, 2015 5:44 PM  

43. John Wright

It boggles my mind that people have trouble understanding what Christianity is. It's the Church. Everything else - the heretical attempts of Mahound or Martin Luther to reduce, simplify, or eliminate whatever organic and central aspects of the Holy Spirit they don't like - is all fluff and ultimately irrelevant.

Babylonian crap.

We get it: You're Roman Catholic; it is nice that you converted from being a heathen to Romanism: the faith of the Fish Head pontiff with three crowns on his head, as though he is King in Heaven, Earth, and Hell. You're now a baptized pagan.

Anonymous HoosierHillbilly December 31, 2015 5:45 PM  

@43 Well crap. It is going to be a long way to find some Christians then. And I hate going up to Chicago. Anybody know any Holy, Apostolic, Catholic Assyrian Church of the East congregations in Indiana? Not sure they will like a bunch of us OPC folks up there though...

Anonymous KoranBurningFaggot December 31, 2015 5:45 PM  

Remember the "good old days" when the homosexual activists said that all they wanted was to be left alone to live their lives in peace?

Some of us hoped that the govt would be out of our bedrooms, wallets, dishwashers, laundry machines ( I add Tri sodium phosphate now), kitchens, garages, basements, attics, cars and flower beds. There used to be a gay yellow pages so you could buy things from places that supported GLBT but everyone wants to drive 2 states away to buy pizza for their wedding(and trick them by not telling them).

Kim, however, serves in government. She doesn't get to use personal beliefs to trump freedoms.

They can simply go to the next county over, but California Cunt Clerks that will not issue concealed carry permits to former special forces soldiers that have all the paperwork approved by the sheriff give no option to avoid. There where Soros paid cheerleaders coming in from out of state. You remind me of an anti gun ex that wanted to know if I had my gun with me after some guys talked about how "4 niggers killed a faggot", and said I should say something to them, but apparently "lets hope those niggers get the death penalty" apparently was not what he wanted me to say.

If by chance, I was invited to a gay wedding, I know I'd start laughing.

A friend of mine got gay married and didn't invite anyone not even his bi brother. He didn't want anyone to mention the collection agencies looking for him to his husband.

It boggles my mind that people have trouble understanding what Christianity is

Keep in mind there is both the MCC church and the bacon eating gay grinder rabbi, with inclusive messages.

criminalize thought crimes and unpopular speech. The FBI is offering a $5,000 reward for information about bacon placed at a mosque

I have an alibi it was not yoder's bacon.

Blogger dienw December 31, 2015 5:48 PM  

@ 57. Bernard Brandt
Wait a minute! Those aren't the directions on the paper bag. What popcorn gospel is this!?

Blogger Student in Blue December 31, 2015 5:48 PM  

@SirHamster
Note that later, the Jews didn't execute Jesus themselves, but had to appeal to the Roman authorities to do so.

You're entirely right. Somehow I'd forgotten completely about the Romans having the final say on execution back at that time.

Blogger Student in Blue December 31, 2015 5:51 PM  

@66. HoosierHillbilly
Well crap. It is going to be a long way to find some Christians then. And I hate going up to Chicago.

That's assuming you'd even find 10 good men in that city.

Blogger Noah B #120 December 31, 2015 6:04 PM  

I don't recall anything in the Bible about the Catholic Church being the "one true church." That's a claim advanced by self-interested Catholics.

Blogger Thordaddy December 31, 2015 6:10 PM  

When is it Liberalism as homo-sexual "nature" and the virtual torching of all Liberal "creation myths?"

Blogger Noah B #120 December 31, 2015 6:13 PM  

"Why do my dogs carry mouthfuls of dry dog food from the kitchen and drop it on the living room carpet before they eat it?"

They always have a nagging suspicion that you're going to take back the food you've given them. They're pack animals, but not wired for trust in quite the same way that people are.

Blogger Bernard Brandt December 31, 2015 6:16 PM  

#64 Elocutioner: You're welcome. I have long thought that gastronomy trumps theology.

#68 Dienw: No, those are not the directions on the bag. But if you were to take a standard brown paper lunch bag, pour in the popcorn to the same measure at the bottom of the bag, and then pour it into a cup, measure out the oil, butter, and salt in that cup, then pour the contents back into the paper bag, fold and staple the top of the bag, and then IMMEDIATELY put the bag into the microwave and nuke it until it stops popping, then rip open and pour into bowl, and continue with the rest of the kettle recipe, you'll probably get acceptable results. You're welcome.

Blogger Geir Balderson December 31, 2015 6:19 PM  

@ 13 Susan

Yes, Lucifer is laughing at the huge harvest of souls he is making in this Modern? Age. He revels at each one he leads to Hell. And, oh my, it is so easy! Satan hardly has to work at it anymore. He indeed will not be alone in the Lake of Fire.

Anonymous KoranBurningFaggot December 31, 2015 6:23 PM  

And I hate going up to Chicago.That's assuming you'd even find 10 good men in that city.

If NYC can pull it off, Chicago can also.

Blogger Dire Badger December 31, 2015 6:38 PM  

I was watching the Brendan Fraser version of 'Bedazzled', and I was watching the very beginning part where the little screen shows california and then says "Too easy", and the next part where it showed the Vatican and then said "Too hard", and I was baffled for a few moments before I remembered that the movie was a comedy.

Blogger James Dixon December 31, 2015 6:45 PM  

> I don't recall anything in the Bible about the Catholic Church being the "one true church."

We've had that discussion before. I even posted on one of them. Even the Pope's words aren't enough to sway some Roman Catholics.

Blogger GoodShipG December 31, 2015 7:32 PM  

#74 But no staples in the microwave. Or am I behind the times?

Blogger Bernard Brandt December 31, 2015 7:54 PM  

# 79. GoodShipG: I've generally found that one or two staples do not compose enough metal to be a problem with a microwave. But if you want to risk spewing molten oil and butter in a nuke, then try taping it shut. Cheers.

Blogger Phillip George December 31, 2015 8:48 PM  



sir Hamster, the man caught in adultery was not brought before Jesus. If they had have the trap might have worked. No one successfully used the Torah against Jesus is the point. If the man had have been brought before the judge and the two of them stoned there and then we'd have a different history. This sort of theoretical speculative narration serves no purpose. The point is satan didn't know the Torah well enough to trap Jesus. The devil might be very good at what he does, but not good enough. Not knowledgeable enough.

One moral to the story is in keeping with Kurt Godel's incompleteness theorem. In complex irreducible apparently chaotic systems it is impossible to know enough to get by; Only God knows enough is epistemologically axiomatic.

In the end. And who knows, maybe this week, Jesus isn't merely the logical choice. He is the only sanity. The only mental, intellectual soul defense in existence.

Salvation, is as mathematical a certainty as exists.

Blogger stevo December 31, 2015 9:38 PM  

I think the Catholic Church (and possibly the orthodox) is the only one which hasn't changed its teachings to pacify SJW's. As to other aspects of its behavior, and the current Pope, I offer no defense

Anonymous kjj December 31, 2015 10:01 PM  

@31, @38 (and others)

The Lutheran Study Bible suggests that this was a setup from the start, and not just a lucky meeting. The word "entrapment" is used for both situations.

In addition to the choice between sedition and apostasy, Jesus was also being offered an opportunity to lose the support of the people. Condemning half of an adulterous couple would have ticked off part of the crowd, and sparing her would have ticked off others.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY January 01, 2016 1:31 AM  

I think the Catholic Church (and possibly the orthodox) is the only one which hasn't changed its teachings to pacify SJW's.
Bullshit. Us primitive Baptists have never gee-hawed with that crap. Popers listen to their Poppa, and he's all on board with this crap, and you march to his orders, we ALL know it, don't try to deny it.

Anonymous Wyrd January 01, 2016 1:40 AM  

I think the Catholic Church (and possibly the orthodox) is the only one which hasn't changed its teachings to pacify SJW's.
Bullshit.


Papal bullshit. Pope Commie I is riding hard global warming and unlimited immivasion like they're going out of style.

Blogger Positive Dennis January 01, 2016 1:41 AM  

I made my annual predictions on my blog at prophecypodcast.com. I predicted that this year we would have an answer to the age old question, "is the pope Catholic." I said the answer was no. I do think Wright made an important point about community. Catholics tend to have it, Protestants not so much.

Blogger John Wright January 01, 2016 2:17 AM  

@65
I pondered and prayed for three years before I selected which denomination to join. My reasons were many, but this was the main thing that drove me into the arms of the Catholics: I saw the Protestants trashtalk and tell outrageous lies about the Catholics but never the reverse. I had Protestants tell me not to read the Early Church Fathers, but no Catholic ever told me not to read Luther or Calvin. And the Catholics held the line on Christian teachings as old as the Didache about divorse, abortion,contraception, and meanwhile the Anglicans were having lesbia priestesses get married. The Protestants I met came from a variety of backgrounds and education levels, so it was not because of some quirk that they did not know about Christian history, Christian writings, and Christian teachings from before the days of whoever their charismatic founder was. It was because their worldview requires an anchronistic and ahistorical approach.

And far too many acted like you, spitting out hellish lies toward your brothers in Christ.

Blogger John Wright January 01, 2016 2:17 AM  

@65
I pondered and prayed for three years before I selected which denomination to join. My reasons were many, but this was the main thing that drove me into the arms of the Catholics: I saw the Protestants trashtalk and tell outrageous lies about the Catholics but never the reverse. I had Protestants tell me not to read the Early Church Fathers, but no Catholic ever told me not to read Luther or Calvin. And the Catholics held the line on Christian teachings as old as the Didache about divorse, abortion,contraception, and meanwhile the Anglicans were having lesbia priestesses get married. The Protestants I met came from a variety of backgrounds and education levels, so it was not because of some quirk that they did not know about Christian history, Christian writings, and Christian teachings from before the days of whoever their charismatic founder was. It was because their worldview requires an anchronistic and ahistorical approach.

And far too many acted like you, spitting out hellish lies toward your brothers in Christ.

Blogger OneWingedShark January 01, 2016 2:50 AM  

@87 "And the Catholics held the line on Christian teachings as old as the Didache about divorse, abortion,contraception,"

I find there's a huge disconnect between the Catholic church's professed doctrine and what it actually does here in the states; in particular the Catholic church does not excommunicate the likes of Nancy Pelosi. (This isn't to sat that the Protestant churches haven't been falling down on the job of holding the moral line; if they were, we wouldn't see the SJW infiltration to nearly the degree we do.)
@11 "Ah hell, I have two seminary degrees, and they are worth squat. The majority of seminary professors are Churchian SJWs who don't really hold Chrisitan doctrine."

That's disappointing, but not really unexpected. (See #27 & #28)

In your opinion, are there any good seminaries left?

@4 "Kim, however, serves in government. She doesn't get to use personal beliefs to trump freedoms."

When she took the job, did that job require her assent to homosexual 'marriage'? Was the Constitution amended to make marriage a federal matter? No to either of these, instead the majority of Nine Black-Robed god-Kings declared it to be the law of the land -- what your statement is really saying is that ALL people under ALL branches of the government are beholden to the USSC, and this stems from the obvious lie that has been pushed very hard: that the Constitution means whatever the Supreme Court says that it does.

It is incredibly disturbing how many people swallow this whole, for it is a bald-faced contradiction of what Jesus said: "The servant is not greater than the master, nor the messenger greater than who sends him" -- you see, the Constitution commissions the Supreme Court, that is it is what sends them to their job... so then, why do you believe that the Supreme Court is greater than the Constitution? (See #29 in the aforementioned link.)

Anonymous Steve Brown VFM#0273 January 01, 2016 3:58 AM  

And the winner of the best comment is (drum roll, please)...John Wright @43 & @87 Ah yes, he had two and could have had many more but his restraint was commendable.

OpenID basementhomebrewer January 01, 2016 10:48 AM  

@57 I actually find that grape seed oil imparts a much better flavor than olive oil. It actually tastes very close to butter without the draw back of the low smoke point. It actually has a higher smoke point than both olive oil and butter. Try subbing out both the olive oil and the butter for just grape seed oil and see what you think.

Blogger Aeoli Pera January 01, 2016 11:12 AM  

I lack the patience for dancing around and hooting like monkeys. You picked a fight, so let's fight. Otherwise, fuck you and fuck your high horse.

Blogger Markku January 01, 2016 11:19 AM  

Exactly. John wanted this fight, so let's fight.

Anonymous DNW January 01, 2016 12:02 PM  


"5. Aeoli Pera December 31, 2015 1:34 PM

It boggles my mind that people have trouble understanding what Christianity is. It's the Gospel."


Sincere question - not an attempt to provoke. How do you know what is gospel, part of the authentic canon, and what is not?

Blogger Markku January 01, 2016 12:11 PM  

Sincere question - not an attempt to provoke. How do you know what is gospel, part of the authentic canon, and what is not?

"Gospel" is not the same as "Holy Scripture". "Gospel" is one simple claim: That forgiveness of sins has been provided by the sacrifice of Christ, and it has been proven by his resurrection.

Anonymous DNW January 01, 2016 12:24 PM  


I asked the above question in light of this following statement:

"Everything else- the history, philosophy, art, dogmas, heresies- is all fluff and ultimately irrelevant"

One can see a great deal of sense in the intent behind the quote above. But some principle or rule for determining what is to be considered as the Gospel, must be employed. And it cannot be part of the Gospel itself prior to the recognition that a certain text which is already judged as valid Gospel contains within it a rule or axiom useful for categorizing further texts, as say certain phrases in Pauline or Petrine texts might do.

Again, this is not intended as a polemical "move", akin to asking a Sola Scriptura partisan where the authority for "Sola Scriptura " is found in the scriptures; but rather a question relating to some of the very issues addressed by the early Church, and the "Fathers" who Wright is referring to.





Anonymous Teilo January 01, 2016 12:24 PM  

In other words, the one part of the Gospels that journalists know is probably not a part of the Gospels in the first place, but a scribal insertion that appears, in come cases, in an entirely different Gospel.

Blogger Markku January 01, 2016 12:27 PM  

As for me, initially I believed that this set of books is the set that was from the apostoles or people immediately connected to them, because other people told me so, and told me that yet others have researched this and concluded that the evidence checks out. That there is a very clear line between the scriptures and the pseudogrypha.

Later in life I have looked into it myself, and concluded that I was right to trust those people.

Anonymous DNW January 01, 2016 12:33 PM  

incere question - not an attempt to provoke. How do you know what is gospel, part of the authentic canon, and what is not?

"Gospel" is not the same as "Holy Scripture". "Gospel" is one simple claim: That forgiveness of sins has been provided by the sacrifice of Christ, and it has been proven by his resurrection."



In that sense then, Gospel would be, I guess, the sense of the scripture, the meaning or good message (literally per definition of "gospel")..

Still, it seems to me, that in order to receive the Gospel, even by word of mouth, some canon, or rule of recognition must be in order.

Unless it resolves to a doctrine of an "interior light", an individual recognition, or an old Congregationalist style interior experience of joining the saints.

Anyway, thanks for the response. I'm going to back off for the moment even though I find this entire topic extremely interesting. Haven't been to sleep since I awoke yesterday morning, and I'm not sure what nonsense I might write.

Blogger Markku January 01, 2016 12:34 PM  

I have also concluded that the story about Jesus and the adultress was not part of any of the gospels, as they were written. However, I think it was an oral tradition that ended up from margin to the text. My guess would be that it did happen. The part about Jesus writing something on the ground, totally without any explanation anywhere, has a ring of truth to it. It's not something that someone would maliciously invent.

Blogger Markku January 01, 2016 12:36 PM  

In that sense then, Gospel would be, I guess, the sense of the scripture, the meaning or good message (literally per definition of "gospel")..

Yes. The Gospel is one particular dogma. Arguably the most important dogma. You could have asked the same question, just replacing "Gospel" with "Holy Scripture", and it would have been a legitimate question.

Blogger Harold January 01, 2016 12:39 PM  

Sort of like how all "misunderstanders of islam" are muslim, and a lot have titles like imam, mufti, ayatollah, and now self proclaimed caliph. And all the people proclaiming they are misunderstanders of islam are non-muslim liberal politicians who know more about islam then the muslims themselves.

Anonymous johnc January 01, 2016 7:36 PM  

It's kind of weird how dogma (a fancy word for defined truth) or art or philosophy would be considered uninteresting or "fluff" to a Christian. It's like saying Our Lord is uninteresting, or you aren't interested in knowing everything about him that your mind could possibly contain.

There's been a concerted effort towards minimization of the Christian religion and one's duties as a follower of Christ, and the motivation is baffling. I want to know the fullness of truth, in as much as I can, and do so with a confidence knowing that the truth I'm hearing is definitely from on high, and not just the ramblings of some guy who sounds like he knows what he's talking about.

Am I'm off here?

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY January 01, 2016 8:04 PM  

" One, True, Holy and Apostolic Church, it's Christianity, and if it doesn't it's not. "
John Wright, you know that the early church was not "The Holy Roman Catholic Church " do you not ? Heck, Peter was not a Catholic nor considered himself "Pope ".

Blogger Gapeseed January 01, 2016 8:07 PM  

@103 johnc - What you said.

But as a cradle Catholic myself, I find these internecine squabbles disheartening. My suspicion is that God speaks in symphony through all religions and denominations, even when some paths to God are straighter and better paved than others.

I hope we Christians would agree that the two greatest commandments are to love God and love others, with the love of God expressed by following His commandments. Minimizing our disputes on doctrine should not be done for reasons of boredom but for the practical reason that we share common enemies on the march, and that we will need each other to have any hope of winning in these challenging times.

Happy and Blessed New Year to all.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY January 01, 2016 8:27 PM  

Martin Luther, Calvin, or John and Charles Wesley heretics according to Mr. Wright?
MY survey says you are wrong as wrong can get on that ,pal.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY January 01, 2016 8:37 PM  

" I hope we Christians would agree that the two greatest commandments are to love God and love others, with the love of God expressed by following His commandments. Minimizing our disputes on doctrine should not be done for reasons of boredom but for the practical reason that we share common enemies on the march, and that we will need each other to have any hope of winning in these challenging times."
Agreed . But this "the only true church" card that papists play gets real old, it does. And as an unashamed "Prot" (a Wheelerism ) I'm sick and tired of hearing it.

Blogger OneWingedShark January 01, 2016 10:07 PM  

@105 "My suspicion is that God speaks in symphony through all religions and denominations, even when some paths to God are straighter and better paved than others."

John 14:6 -- "Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

There is only one 'gate' to God: Jesus. (Though I admit that there are many ways to Jesus: having 'everything' and realizing that w/o God it is nothing, or having nothing and realizing that Jesus is 'everything... there's a subtle [but important] difference in saying that vs. saying "there are many paths to god.")

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY January 01, 2016 10:29 PM  

"There is only one 'gate' to God: Jesus."
Amen.

Anonymous Ain January 02, 2016 1:33 PM  

@105 Gapeseed: "But as a cradle Catholic myself, I find these internecine squabbles disheartening. My suspicion is that God speaks in symphony through all religions and denominations, even when some paths to God are straighter and better paved than others."

The problem here is that that great majority of paganism and other false religions stem from ancient Babylon in defiance to God. Their path does not lead to Him anymore than traveling south with get you north.

Many religions that cloak themselves in Christianity diminish Jesus Christ. They were corrupted years ago. The black smoke that emanates from the pit in Revelation represents Satanic teachings that are prevalent today. Even popular bible translations such as the NIV are rife with it.

Blogger Thordaddy January 02, 2016 2:21 PM  

Catholics versus Protestants? Lol!!!

BOTH TOO SCARED to really convert to wS...

The schism that isn't...

Blogger Thordaddy January 02, 2016 2:26 PM  

Both the Catholic collective and the Protestant individualists are rife with pathological deracination... Absolutely under the spell of a "self-annihilation for salvation" toxic brew of rancid liberal ideology.

Blogger Joe Keenan January 03, 2016 8:30 PM  

@104 It's, The Catholic Church, the heretical Church of England advanced the proposition there were three "Catholic" Churches, the Orthodox Catholic, the Roman Catholic, and the Via Media, the middle way, the English Catholic. The Church was called Catholic (universal) in the early 2nd century. See: https://www.ewtn.com/faith/teachings/churb3.htm

Blogger Joe Keenan January 03, 2016 8:48 PM  

@78 Scripture: Matthew 16:13-23

13 Now when Jesus came into the district of Caesare'a Philip'pi, he asked his disciples, "Who do men say that the Son of man is?" 14 And they said, "Some say John the Baptist, others say Eli'jah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets." 15 He said to them, "But who do you say that I am?"16 Simon Peter replied, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God." 17 And Jesus answered him, "Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jona! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven. 18 And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it. 19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven." 20 Then he strictly charged the disciples to tell no one that he was the Christ. 21 From that time Jesus began to show his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and on the third day be raised. 22 And Peter took him and began to rebuke him, saying, "God forbid, Lord! This shall never happen to you." 23 But he turned and said to Peter, "Get behind me, Satan! You are a hindrance to me; for you are not on the side of God, but of men."

Take note that Peter identifies Christ as the Messiah, Christ says this inspiration cam from His Father, and Christ changes Simon's name to Peter (how many men have had thie name changed by God, and what does it signify?). God then says he (Peter)is rock a,d on that rock He (God) will build His Church and that the Gates of Hell won't prevail against it.Contained herein is, the establishment of the papacy by Christ and the first example of the Papal Doctrine of Infallibility. By the way, we (Catholic's), gave the world the Bible. Scripture was declared and closed at the Council of Rome in 380 AD. You're welcome.

Blogger Joe Keenan January 04, 2016 6:03 PM  

There was no declared and closed canon of scripture till the late 4th century when the Catholic church declared and closed the canon of scripture (there are 73 books in the canon, not 66). If scripture is needed for salvation, this means for approx 350 years Christians weren't saved (Constantine did not call Nicea to declare the canon and it wasn't, it was called to address the Arian heresy), and Gospel means good news. Again, you have the four Gospels because, The Church gave them to you.

Blogger Aeoli Pera January 05, 2016 9:27 AM  

@111 Thordaddy,

You can get extra special double fucked.

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