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Monday, January 18, 2016

"Christianity under siege"

Donald Trump, of all people, is speaking out in defense of Christians around the world, when far too many Churchian leaders prefer to preach about tolerance and parodies of marriage:
GOP presidential front-runner Donald Trump touted his faith at Liberty University on Monday, telling the conservative college that Christians have to ban together because their religion "is under siege."

"We're going to protect Christianity," he said. "If you look at what's going on throughout the world...Christianity is under siege."

Trump pointed to targeting of Christians by terrorist groups in Syria and urged Christians to work together to use their "power" within the United States to enact change.

He added that "I'm a Protestant. I'm very proud of it, Presbyterian to be exact. ...[but] bad things are happening, very bad things are happening."
To be precise, Christianity needs no more protection than reality does. It simply is. But Christendom does.

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70 Comments:

Blogger weka January 18, 2016 7:33 PM  

When Trump is the person speaking truth, and the PCUSA welcomes Orcs, then you know that a reformation is needed.

Let us hope our clerics and congregations fall to their knees in repentance rather than be forced to their knees before the Orcish sword.

Anonymous Soga January 18, 2016 7:40 PM  

Donald Trump for Protestant Pope 2016

Let's make Crusades great again!

Blogger RobertT January 18, 2016 7:43 PM  

Honestly, how can Glenn Beck and/or anyone else support anyone else? Where's the ex-preacher on this?

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 18, 2016 7:49 PM  

It's an obvious play for the Evangelical and Traditionalist Christian (and to a lesser extent Traditional Catholic) vote.
Still, maybe it will be a move of the Overton Window in this space as well. There's simply no argument about the facts. Let's hope the media can control the message as poorly as they did the immigration story.

Blogger Josh January 18, 2016 8:09 PM  

Honestly, how can Glenn Beck and/or anyone else support anyone else? Where's the ex-preacher on this?

Cruz has most of the religious right vote because he's actually one of them.

Anonymous The SPY January 18, 2016 8:22 PM  

Maybe Trump is making a play for the Christian vote and frankly I'm glad that he is.

At least he has the temerity to at least take a verbal stance for our faith when the rest of these politicians are spineless cowards. We shall know them by their fruit.

Anonymous 636 January 18, 2016 8:22 PM  

It may be cynical as hell, but I love it.

Blogger Jason Roberts January 18, 2016 8:24 PM  

Trump doesn't seem like a guy who would pander. He has too much self-respect/ego to do that, especially if it involves pandering to Christian proles. So I think his renewed Christian convictions are genuine. Any clues on what led him back to the faith?

Anonymous 636 January 18, 2016 8:31 PM  

His latest book sounds like he never left it. I assumed it was just a pose.

Blogger Cecil Henry January 18, 2016 8:34 PM  

The Church is under attack.

And most of the Churchianity crowd is silent.

I know. I have challenged many of the church leaders in local congregations and elsewhere to speak out, if only to their own congregations.

The silence is shocking. No response. No admission it is a problem except in one sheepish case. No action-- unless its to parade moral signalling about latrines for the third world or a trip to South American for building something.

Laughable hypocritical.

Anonymous BigGayKoranBurner January 18, 2016 8:45 PM  

Isn't Trump a follower of the Prosperity Doctrine? I am glad he is bringing up that Christians deserve to be refugees far more than moslems, but I would settle for the US not actively supporting moslems against indigenous whites as occurred when Serbs tried to kick out illegal alien drug dealing moslem scum. Has there been a presidential candidate since Buchanan that has made such a statement?

So I think his renewed Christian convictions are genuine.

Are they really his convictions or is it more like how I would rather live next door to KKK leader David Duke who says gays are victims of joo mind control, than any "good" black/moslem.

So I think his renewed Christian convictions are genuine. Any clues on what led him back to the faith?

He is a grandfather who married off all his original kids. He also talked about being able to smell 9-11 for weeks afterward. He probably realizes that he only has so many years left and might be on his last wife.

OT: Affirmative Action Doctor http://www.inquisitr.com/2713257/psychiatrist-arrested-dr-death-charged-after-36-of-his-patients-die-police-say-narendra-nagareddy-over-prescribed-prescription-medication-186098/

Blogger LES January 18, 2016 8:55 PM  

In 1999 Trump appeared with Tim Russert on Meet the Press where he said he supported all abortion and was wishy -washy on gay marriage. That video will be used against him. When and why did he change his views?

Blogger Aeoli Pera January 18, 2016 8:58 PM  

Maybe Trump is making a play for the Christian vote and frankly I'm glad that he is.

Dammit, I may have to vote for this man.

Isn't Trump a follower of the Prosperity Doctrine?

Oh gosh, an absurdly wealthy man thinks that righteousness makes you rich?

Blogger LES January 18, 2016 8:59 PM  

Trump on Meet the Press

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WELYs3ns3Fs

Blogger Aeoli Pera January 18, 2016 9:00 PM  

@5 Josh,

Cruz has most of the religious right vote because he's actually one of them.

Maybe he missed?

Blogger ray January 18, 2016 9:04 PM  

Donnie is unpacking The Narrative issue by issue. He's not a biblical scholar and no, he ain't in Jesus' inner circle, but he knows how to rub banana in the bully's face.

Trump isn't pretending to be something he's not, and is effective doing what he's familiar with and understands. His businessman-thang biases him biased towards successful practicalities and solutions, not ideology. He knows that 'Christendom' works and that political-tribalism and atheism don't. America as an overtly Christian nation was vastly superior to . . . this.

Donnie and the U.S. are going nowhere unless God says, that would be the God of Israel and of the Old Testament, the LORD of Hosts. Not Allah or the Buddha.

"We're going to protect Christianity" is pleasant to hear from an American presidential candidate who seriously expects this bullshit to be allowed to continue even a little longer.

It'd help Donnie to read the Bible regular ... explicate and illustrate the value of humility and obedience. I think he would profit from it. Then he and Walter and the Dood could go bowl a few lines. Jesus might even show. :O)

Anonymous It's Science January 18, 2016 9:07 PM  

@2 Soga

Let's make Crusades great again!


Vlad the Impaler has that covered. Apparently, he has been using a couple of Robot land vehicles that identify targets and kill 'em if they run, and kill 'em if they stand still.

Just a passel of lab rats.

Blogger Gilbert Ratchet January 18, 2016 9:10 PM  

I think he was just quoting Monty Python.

Anonymous MendoScot January 18, 2016 9:10 PM  

@10. Cecil Henry
The Church is under attack

It always has been.The battle ebbs and flows. When it goes in our favour, the same mutes will be the first to demand that the insufficiently enthusiastic repent.

Meanwhile, our part is to show the world that the children of God are both Lamb and Lion.

Blogger automatthew January 18, 2016 9:12 PM  

Is Cruz seriously making the Masonic hand signal?

Blogger haus frau January 18, 2016 9:12 PM  

I don't believe Trump is an atheist but the fact that he's a New Yorker who chose the Presbyterian denomination isn't exactly street cred among right wing evangelicals. If he is Christian then he certainly isn't orthodox. I imagine it's a mix of shrewd pandering for the Cruz vote and something like BGS says: he would rather preserve Christian culture undiversified than suffer the blessings of muslim vibrancy. I give credit to the fact that he does have a reasonably large family and grandchildren to think of plus ties to Europe through his wife. He has skin in the game and unlike most elites, is smart enough to see how multiculturalism is working out.

Blogger alexamenos January 18, 2016 9:16 PM  

Trump is ethnically Christian and loyally Christian even if he isn't a believer. Takes one to know one.

Blogger Billy January 18, 2016 9:23 PM  

@12 When and why did he change his views? I really don't care to know. All that matters is he did. Alternatively if he haven't had changed his previous opinions he would be the toast of the town with the republican establishment.

Blogger Aeoli Pera January 18, 2016 9:26 PM  

@20 automatthew,

Is Cruz seriously making the Masonic hand signal?

For every one of these guys, how many do you suppose kept to the family religion? I bet it's great for your career.

Anonymous BigGayKoranBurner January 18, 2016 9:28 PM  

OT: Public School Teacher pleads guilty to having sex with student, but sues students mom for Defamation. I guess she is not actually a whore unless her son had a job whose taxes paid her salary. She also plans to sue the student for sharing the cell phone video that busted her.

GO GO NON ASIAN MINORITY LOGIC "Ramirez may also sue the student victim for invasion of privacy, claiming it was he who filmed their sexual encounter and then shared it"
http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2016/01/18/texas-teacher-pleads-guilty-sexual-misconduct-charge-sues-students-mother-defamation/

Blogger Aeoli Pera January 18, 2016 9:29 PM  

Serious question, by the way. I figure this guy is maybe one in one hundred.

Blogger Billy January 18, 2016 9:30 PM  

@5 Cruz has most of the religious right vote because he's actually one of them.

Actually not doing so well withe the Christians on the front lines.

http://www.charismanews.com/politics/issues/51225-arab-christians-boo-ted-cruz-for-pro-israel-remarks

Blogger Nick S January 18, 2016 9:40 PM  

Trump doesn't seem like a guy who would pander.

No, but he reminds me of a used car salesman and he's the used car. It's his integrity that's in question. Is he sincere or as full of shit as the rest of them?

Anonymous Ain January 18, 2016 9:53 PM  

@20 "Is Cruz seriously making the Masonic hand signal?"

At this level, it would be more surprising if he wasn't.

Blogger Adam Lawson January 18, 2016 9:57 PM  

@8 -- I think @11 has it. An old joke I heard in church about older people becoming more religious -- "they're cramming for finals."

@16 -- In Art of the Deal he says he hates being called Donny. Assuming that applies to Donnie as well.

@28 -- Maybe he is. If he's lying, though, and gets elected on message that's still a much better victory than if someone like Jeb! or Rubio wins with a different message because we KNOW they won't have our back.

It's pretty much, "This guy may or may not be genuine, but at least if he wins there's a chance and it sends a message that a majority agree with us. These other guys hate us and if they win... well there's a message there, too!"

Anonymous zen0 the Ephemeral January 18, 2016 10:00 PM  

@20

Sure looks like it. It is the sign of a Master of the Second Veil

Link

OpenID sigbouncer January 18, 2016 10:05 PM  

"In Art of the Deal he says he hates being called Donny. Assuming that applies to Donnie as well."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxJeO5QzAQk

Blogger Josh January 18, 2016 10:10 PM  

Actually not doing so well withe the Christians on the front lines.

Those folks aren't American evangelicals

Blogger Josh January 18, 2016 10:12 PM  

When and why did he change his views?

Same reason Mitt Romney did: republican primary voters.

Blogger Neanderserk January 18, 2016 10:23 PM  

Could you imagine Trump and Putin squeezing the Ummah between them like a ripe pimple?

I bet it'd gush oil and blood.

OpenID wormme January 18, 2016 10:24 PM  

Maybe Trump is a Nebuchadnezzar. As a Christian I pray he is also in Christ. But suppose he isn't. Nebuchadnezzar was no Jew, but he served the Lord as very few Hebrews ever did. Why would it even be a mild surprise if a Trump presidency benefited Christianity? Let us mind our own consciences and leave the heavy lifting to God. (Yes, I'm rereading Lewis's Silent Planet/Perelandra/Hideous Strenth trilogy at the very moment. It makes wisdom much easier.)

Blogger Sensei January 18, 2016 10:32 PM  

Christianity needs no more protection than reality does. It simply is.

Well and succinctly put.

There seem to be two "camps" of American evangelicals on the issue, one that sees Christendom as a mistaken attempt to recreate the spiritual kingdom of Christ as an earthly domain --leading to a weakening of the church's actual mission as it is distracted by power politics-- and one that sees it as the legitimate expression of Christianity in this world, and worth fighting to protect. For myself I am still seeking where the legitimate balance lies; it was crusaders who kept Islam from overwhelming Europe, allowing the gospel to spread throughout the whole world from there, but Europe was Christian to begin with because martyrs did not band together to rebel against Nero and other persecutors but died willingly as martyrs.

Anonymous crushlimbraw January 18, 2016 10:53 PM  

The problem never was Christianity - it's the American Christians who adopted the 'end times theology' as gospel. How do I know? I used to be one of them! No more!

Anonymous crushlimbraw January 18, 2016 10:56 PM  

The other day I was reading Isaiah, and was reminded that God uses whoever He chooses to carry out His will – the example was about Cyrus of Persia, who Isaiah described as “who did not know God”. I see a similar phenomenon here. Trump is showing us timid Conservatives and Christians who the he…@#$% we are - a bunch of sniveling weaklings intimidated by every force around us – totally unaware that we serve the Ruler of the Universe. What say we act like it, eh?

Anonymous The "Extremists" January 18, 2016 11:01 PM  

But, Wait...in the Gym (the only place the MSM and Murdoch (jew) News is thrust upon me).. Some little Hotty bitch said she Fears (the question) Trump.
"He's Stupid." (wait: YOU are not stupid Mall Darlin') Nothing better than Churchian Cuck brunette twats spouting the Far Left Line....the R. says R. are so stupid and ignorant and lacking Intelligence...Fucking A...Leftist drivel
Zionist News Corp is not your Friend.
You get it Yet?? White Boy??



Anonymous Rolf January 18, 2016 11:06 PM  

@34 - that's what any sane US president would have done long ago: sat down with Putin and the leadership of China and southern African (Christian-majority) nations and said "look, we have a common problem - how about we work together on this?" There are enough mutual self-interests to get such a coalition to work together, even if it was nothing more than looking the other way a little more often than normal. We let them play us off against each other; if we'd stop being out own worst enemy progress could be made.

Anonymous Jaemeson January 18, 2016 11:06 PM  

You get it Yet?? White Boy??

Indeed. You spout
British Zionism and Finance, no?

Anonymous extremist January 18, 2016 11:13 PM  

UNIVERSALIST!!...RACE IS SOCIAL CONSTRUCT. CONTINETNT OF AFRICA HAS DONE WHAT N EUROPE AND N AMERICAN CONTINENT HAS DONE over Thousands of Years.....#SocialConstruct
There couldn/'t be a ME Tribe (Trade/Finance/Banking) that uses the Anglo folks against their own Progeny ... yo Right??

Rev 3:9

Anonymous VFM 4388 January 18, 2016 11:19 PM  

@28

If he's full of shit, we lose nothing we'd not have lost anyhow. It's Pascal's Presidential Wager.

Blogger Aeoli Pera January 18, 2016 11:31 PM  

This crazy dude is crowding in on my schtick.

Blogger The Other Robot January 18, 2016 11:35 PM  

OT, but Milo is firing on all 16 cylinders here:

Marissa Mayer is a Silicon Valley Token

Blogger Sensei January 19, 2016 12:16 AM  

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Blogger Dire Badger January 19, 2016 12:20 AM  

@VFM- Well stated.

Blogger Jon M January 19, 2016 1:19 AM  

But what if Trump takes action to protect Christendom when he doesn't really believe in it!?

Sorry, cucks, I don't see a downside to Trump advancing Christendom for dubious reasons. Better that than yet another knife in the back...you know, out of Love.

Anonymous LB January 19, 2016 1:51 AM  

I don't know whether folks here are aware, but the Donald, or at least his campaign, are reading alt-right blogs. Maybe this one, but chiefly Heartiste. If you can make an argument in the comments at Heartiste about the importance of Christendom, the Trump campaign may pick it up.

To the Donald and his campaign: I don't need you to be a fervent Christian believer. I want that FOR YOU, for YOUR benefit, but I don't need you to have all the zeal of a convert. I do need you to understand just what we're saying: that Christendom is one of the foundations of our civilization.

Anonymous LB January 19, 2016 1:54 AM  

But what if Trump takes action to protect Christendom when he doesn't really believe in it!?

Sorry, cucks, I don't see a downside to Trump advancing Christendom for dubious reasons.


Exactly. In contrast to prevailing thought in the West, which regards "hypocrisy" as the worst of all evils in political leadership, I see a leader who pushes the right policies in public and does whatever he wants in private as preferable to the reverse.

Blogger Desiderius January 19, 2016 2:06 AM  

"I don't believe Trump is an atheist but the fact that he's a New Yorker who chose the Presbyterian denomination isn't exactly street cred among right wing evangelicals"

Oh, they're fine with Presbyterians like this one, for instance:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B._B._Warfield

At least any evangelicals worth a damn.

Their main beef with Presbyterians nowadays is their utter fecklessness that leaves them open to all sorts of SJW subversion. Trump assuredly doesn't have that problem. Trump may be the first person they've met in their entire lives who professed to be proud to be a Presbyterian.

I'm one too, of the Warfield school.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 19, 2016 2:40 AM  

I don't believe Trump is an atheist but the fact that he's a New Yorker who chose the Presbyterian denomination isn't exactly street cred among right wing evangelicals
"Chose" may be the wrong word. His mother was from Scotland, so he was probably raised in the kirk.

Blogger rho January 19, 2016 2:48 AM  

@5 Cruz has most of the religious right vote because he's actually one of them.

Based on my observations, the religious right is more or less split on Cruz/Carson. (The "religious right" here defines an area south of an arc through Midland TX, Louisville KY, and Charlotte NC.)

Based on my reading of Ann Coulter, though, Cruz will cause all kinds of heartburn in the birther crowd. I can't wait for VP's analysis of the PDF of Cruz's birth certificate.

As for Trump's sudden Christian awakening while on a Christian campus, every candidate for every office everywhere has managed to tailor their speech to the audience. The astonishment isn't that Trump is Presbyterian, or Christian, or whatever.

The astonishment is, to the professional political class, that an outsider can run their game just as well as they can, and with greater success. If--and it's a big if--they are independent.

Blogger The Overgrown Hobbit January 19, 2016 3:20 AM  

There are guys you date. They're fun. But you don't take them home to meet your patents.

La Donald is useful for head-slapping the quislings (what you call cuckservatives) and for taking fire that most people (republican pols included) have too many hostages to fortune to endure. But he'd be King Stork. And we're all of us, vile progs and dread ilk included, the frogs.

Vox Day has NO skin in this game. What's fun for him to watch burn is, for Americans, our own country that we love, which we hope to pass on in better shape to our kids and grandkids.


Cruz has potential to be the guy you take home to meet your parents.

http://hotair.com/archives/2015/11/18/ted-cruz-to-obama-on-refugees-come-home-and-say-it-to-my-face-sucka/

Blogger rho January 19, 2016 3:35 AM  

Vox Day has NO skin in this game.

When Europa burns, VD will burn with it.

Blogger Phillip George January 19, 2016 5:51 AM  

Christianity needs no more protection than reality does. It simply is. But Christendom does.

yes, brilliant line Vox. If muslims promised only line up the churchians and shoot them I'd say "come on in".

"Thy Kingdom Come" - from coast to coast it gets prayed but then people stop at the doing something part. Lord, I'm just going to sit on my hands while you feed the poor, install leadership, protect orphans and widows, teach the children, house the homeless, manage farms and food distribution, educate the simple, executed justice in the land, police the streets, because,

"I'm spiritual" and respect diversity and other opinions. Horse shit.

America, separation of church and state is killing you.

Blogger Roger Hill January 19, 2016 6:37 AM  

"To be precise, Christianity needs no more protection than reality does. It simply is. But Christendom does."

That is a great way to put it.
There are times when an idea (or understanding) is rolling through my mind, but not in a way I could communicate. Then I read a simple phrase like the one above, and there it is! There is the thought I have been trying to put into words, but just couldn't for some reason.

OpenID simplytimothy January 19, 2016 8:12 AM  

Liberty U. offers a concealed carry course for its students.

http://www.captainsjournal.com/2016/01/17/pistol-packin-christians/>http://www.captainsjournal.com/2016/01/17/pistol-packin-christians/

There is anothering interesting snippet at the link regarding Jesus at Gethsemane with the Apostles and the discussion on swords

It was against Roman law for anyone but Roman soldiers to have weapons, and Jesus was commanding that they break Roman law.

If true, that is the basis for our Christian right to keep and bear arms.

Blogger praetorian January 19, 2016 8:58 AM  

Cruz has potential to be the guy you take home to meet your parents.

Wut?

God Emperor Trump will lead his Christian legions into glorious battle of most holy kebab and bean removal. Parental approval, if you are a female and it is therefore relevant, will naturally follow.

Or am I misunderstanding things?

Anonymous karsten January 19, 2016 9:18 AM  

Cruz has most of the religious right vote because he's actually one of them.

Meaning he's an amnesty-supporting tool of (((big business)))? That's about right.

I would rather live next door to KKK leader David Duke who says gays are victims of jew mind control

If you doubt that they are, you're a fool. After all, most of them support the Judeo-led movement to flood the West with Muslims. And their attitudes towards gays aren't exactly charitable. To the Jews, the gays are just another group of cannon fodder in their war against whites and traditional white culture.

Blogger Nick S January 19, 2016 9:56 AM  

If he's full of shit, we lose nothing we'd not have lost anyhow. It's Pascal's Presidential Wager.

You can apply that reasoning to anyone.

Blogger Jon M January 19, 2016 10:45 AM  

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Blogger Jon M January 19, 2016 10:49 AM  

"You can apply that reasoning to anyone."

Not true. You can only apply it to the one candidate saying he will do the right thing. All of the other candidates refuse to even consider doing the right thing on this issue.

Blogger Robert What? January 19, 2016 11:01 AM  

I have taken several of my SJW acquaintances to take for virtue signalling all about the "poor migrants" while completely ignoring the slaughtering of Christians and the destruction of their ancient communities across the Middle East and North Africa. Much like our SJW-in-Chief.

Anonymous BigGayKoranBurner January 19, 2016 11:54 AM  

When Europa burns, VD will burn with it.

Maybe he has plans to take out the bridges or set out on a flotilla. If a group of people decided to keep the 3rd world out the only thing that could stop them is an army.

#60David Duke who says gays are victims of jew mind control...If you doubt that they are, you're a fool

If there was joo mind control I would have a joo boyfriend. There are too many gay/lesbian joos for it to be part of their plan unless they forgot to tell the little joos not to drink out of the well that they poisoned. It seemed like the only STR8 joos in NYC where only interested in little girls.

Blogger Nick S January 19, 2016 12:54 PM  

@8 -> @28 -> @43 -> @61 -> @63

Not true.

All cases only require ignoring the time component.

Blogger SciVo January 20, 2016 4:26 AM  

BGKB @66: There are too many gay/lesbian joos for it to be part of their plan unless they forgot to tell the little joos not to drink out of the well that they poisoned.

Interesting. So they're sincerely dumb and honestly believe the stupid tikkun olum crap that involves giving away my patrimony to the literally retarded third world. Eff them.

Blogger Were-Puppy January 20, 2016 5:54 PM  

@50 LB

I don't know whether folks here are aware, but the Donald, or at least his campaign, are reading alt-right blogs.
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I have seen a verified poster Ivanaka(?) Trump at Breitbart comments quite a few times recently. And always a funny comment.

Blogger Were-Puppy January 20, 2016 5:57 PM  

@55 The Overgrown Hobbit

Cruz has potential to be the guy you take home to meet your parents.
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Not after all the things I've been digging around and finding about him.

Talk about religions right, are these what you are talking about?

http://www.alternet.org/speakeasy/brucewilson/ted-cruzs-father-suggested-his-son-anointed-bring-about-end-time-transfer

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