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Thursday, January 28, 2016

Like. A. Boss.

Trump has Fox and O'Reilly reduced to the state of a teenage girl begging the boyfriend who just dumped her to please, please, please just consider taking her back:
Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump on Wednesday night lashed out at Fox News anchor Megyn Kelly in his first appearance on the network since he announced he’d boycott the next GOP debate.

He also refused to reconsider his decision to sit out the network’s Thursday night debate – the last before the Iowa caucuses in five days – and said he’d move forward with his own competing event to raise money for wounded veterans.

Speaking on “The O’Reilly Factor,” Trump continued his long-running feud with Kelly, who he has been criticizing ever since she challenged him on his past derogatory remarks about women at the first GOP debate in August.

“I have zero respect for Megyn Kelly,” Trump said. “I don’t think she’s good at what she does and I think she’s highly overrated. And frankly, she’s a moderator; I thought her question last time was ridiculous.”

Kelly is also set to moderate Thursday night’s debate on Fox News.

Trump is instead holding a rally in Des Moines at the same time as the Republican debate that he says will raise money for wounded veterans.

In the contentious interview with O’Reilly, Trump rebuffed the anchor’s attempts to convince him that he’s making a grave error by skipping the debate.

“I believe personally that you want to improve the country,” O’Reilly said. “By doing this, you miss the opportunity to convince others … that is true.

“You have in this debate format the upper hand — you have sixty seconds off the top to tell the moderator, ‘You’re a pinhead, you’re off the mark and here’s what I want to say’. By walking away from it, you lose the opportunity to persuade people you are a strong leader.”
Yeah, that's the thing, Bill. By walking away, Donald Trump IS persuading people that he is a strong leader, one who isn't beholden to the media. Walking away is Alpha. Supplication, especially to a woman, is Delta-Gamma.

Just the fact that Trump is willing to publicly dismiss the overrated Kelly as being "highly overrated" should be enough reason to consider voting for the man. Not even Reagan was that bold in dismissing the media or the progressive sex.

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Blogger cavalier973 January 28, 2016 7:57 AM  

The legs on the girl in the painting are much too shapely to be Megyn Kelly's.

Blogger Student in Blue January 28, 2016 7:59 AM  

Don't worry, Fox totally anticipated Trump not coming to the debate.

Blogger Student in Blue January 28, 2016 8:04 AM  

By the way, if people weren't already aware of it, just keep in mind people like Glenn Beck on Fox are a bunch of liars.

Blogger dc.sunsets January 28, 2016 8:08 AM  

One wonders if FOX presold ad spots with money-back guarantees on audience size.

Anonymous karsten January 28, 2016 8:13 AM  

First thing I thought of? The all-time greatest alpha, No. 6:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLakgUosAsM


Second thing? Trump is channeling Bismarck, the ultimate alpha statesman, with his famous "We will not go to Canossa."

As the video states, he persuaded (basically commanded) his king not to go to a Habsburg-dominated meeting in Frankfurt; and Prussia's strength in this affair soon led to the unification of Germany under the Prussian crown:

https://twitter.com/Treuburg/status/692196825219141633

Blogger dc.sunsets January 28, 2016 8:14 AM  

I despise the people who run the MSM.
I imagine I'm not alone.
Watching Trump kick their asses is like watching my best friend beat the snot out of my childhood nemesis.

Trump is either the right guy at the right time or the most brilliant Machiavellian alive.

Blogger Patrick January 28, 2016 8:16 AM  

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Blogger Didact January 28, 2016 8:23 AM  

Mr. Trump is not principled. He is not a conservative. He is not a liberal, either. He is a pragmatic businessman who says all of the right things, right now; I agree with just about everything he says about immigration, and I'm a non-resident alien legally working in the US. Will he be consistent with his brilliantly outrageous statements in the future? I honestly do not know.

But there is NO question that he is a true Alpha male. He's done a phenomenal job of making the media dance to HIS tune, and not the other way around.

It could be that he is "all apple and no core", as Barack Obama was in 2008. His behaviour, and his mostly superb responses to attacks by his enemies, indicate otherwise.

This should be a most entertaining election.

Blogger Markku January 28, 2016 8:27 AM  

Mr. Trump is not principled. He is not a conservative. He is not a liberal, either. He is a pragmatic businessman who says all of the right things, right now; I agree with just about everything he says about immigration, and I'm a non-resident alien legally working in the US. Will he be consistent with his brilliantly outrageous statements in the future? I honestly do not know.

But there is NO question that he is a true Alpha male. He's done a phenomenal job of making the media dance to HIS tune, and not the other way around.


I was thinking this EXACT thing only a while ago. It is absolutely 100% established by now that Trump is not a poser. What you see is what you will get.

The only question is, what his real agenda turns out to be, if and when he is handed power. It might be what he says, or it might not be. Best case scenario is that he will conclude is that steering the country in the direction that he says, is what benefits him the best.

Because that is what he will judge any course of action on.

Blogger Nick S January 28, 2016 8:28 AM  

That's the funniest thing I've seen this cycle. That image could be turned into a collector's line of classics...T-shirts, coffee mugs, stationary, screensavers, etc. The possibilities are endless.

Blogger Markku January 28, 2016 8:29 AM  

What you see is what you will get.

To clarify: What you will get with regards to responding to situations like an alpha.

What you HEAR might not be what you get...

Blogger S1AL January 28, 2016 8:32 AM  

@Markku - Yeah. I expect a Trump presidency, but I have no idea what to expect from a Trump presidency.

Anonymous WinstonWebb January 28, 2016 8:35 AM  

Nate/Josh,
I have always appreciated the commentary you gentlemen bring to this board. I know that you both loath Trump, and I may not agree but do understand your reasons for doing so. My question is this:
Do you deny that he is an Alpha male?
If so, why?

Thank you,

Blogger dc.sunsets January 28, 2016 8:41 AM  

Whatever else you may or may not get with Pres Trump, you're unlikely to get a president who is obsessed with strip-mining the value of the office for the brief time he holds it.

Democracy predictably produces rulers who behave like renters, not owners. Given that I'm stuck having to live under someone's rule, I'm actually quite curious to see what would happen when the Executive Branch's top spot is occupied by someone who is presumably un-bribe-able, and presumably has no particular need to rearrange any subsystems to pay him large benefits downstream.

I'm kind of sick of people throwing stones at Trump when by all indications they should be throwing boulders at every other candidate.

You're going to get someone. Are you all too stupid to see what the last five or eight presidents have been like, and compare that to the current field?

Blogger Joshua_D January 28, 2016 8:43 AM  

Choose your side, for The Trumpening is upon us.

Blogger Guitar Man January 28, 2016 8:45 AM  

WinstonWebb,

You are confusing yourself here. Many of us despise the man. We've listed our reasons for not supporting him. None of us have ever disagreed that he isn't alpha. He is one. Big whoop.

I'm enjoying the spectacle, and I'm glad someone is stepping up to the media finally, but I'm not convinced.

Blogger Markku January 28, 2016 8:45 AM  

He's asking Nate and Josh, not you.

Blogger Didact January 28, 2016 8:45 AM  

@13,

It is possible to be both an Alpha male and a thoroughly dislikeable or immoral person. See e.g. Dan Bilzerian, or Arnold Schwarzenegger's handling of his secret affair with his housekeeper- or even, back in the day, Clint Eastwood and his treatment of Sondra Locke. All of these men are Alphas. They are surrounded by money, women, and power. They are also, to quite large segments of various populations, quite loathsome.

Blogger Guitar Man January 28, 2016 8:51 AM  

I don't care. Every post about Trump starts with someone saying "Where's Josh/Nate..." Are people that insecure about their positions?

Anonymous Spartacus xxxxx January 28, 2016 8:51 AM  

@9. Markku

The only question is, what his real agenda turns out to be, if and when he is handed power. It might be what he says, or it might not be. Best case scenario is that he will conclude is that steering the country in the direction that he says, is what benefits him the best.

Trump knows big real estate and casinos, an apt enough description of the US. He also knows what affects his property values. Iirc, his Atlantic City properties took the diversity bath some time ago- he neglected to build a wall there. Now he thinks he can manage property values at CasinoResort USA.

Blogger Markku January 28, 2016 8:53 AM  

Every post about Trump starts with someone saying "Where's Josh/Nate..." Are people that insecure about their positions?

You're just jelly because nobody cares about yours.

Anonymous WinstonWebb January 28, 2016 8:57 AM  

Every post about Trump starts with someone saying "Where's Josh/Nate..." Are people that insecure about their positions?
Not at all. However, I value their opinions and have changed my mind on more than one occasion based on info provided. Are you offended that I'm asking for their input instead of yours?

Blogger Guitar Man January 28, 2016 8:58 AM  

Hehehe.

Blogger Guitar Man January 28, 2016 9:00 AM  

WinstonWebb, I'm not offended. Every single post has a call out to Josh or Nate when it is about Trump. I mostly lurk lately, but I'm pretty much in line with Nate and Josh on Trump.

Blogger Markku January 28, 2016 9:02 AM  

Every single post has a call out to Josh or Nate when it is about Trump

That's what gets the party started. It's the same reason Fox News so desperately wants Trump in the debate.

Anonymous Spartacus xxxxx January 28, 2016 9:03 AM  

@20. Spartacus xxxxx

I left some money on the table there-

Trump knows big real estate, HOTELS, and casinos, an apt enough description of the US.

Blogger Guitar Man January 28, 2016 9:05 AM  

So Nate and Josh are the Trump of VP ilk? I hope that doesn't make me a Trumpster now.

Blogger Halifax Donair January 28, 2016 9:06 AM  

This is what you have to do. Megyn is shit-testing him.

@20 "For your own safety please do not leave the resort grounds."

Blogger Markku January 28, 2016 9:06 AM  

They are the _entertaining_ opposition.

Blogger Salt January 28, 2016 9:08 AM  

"“He doesn’t care about P.C. culture,” Kelly said in an interview with Time magazine published on Wednesday. “It’s a breath of fresh air.”

Jack Amok said it yesterday. Trump is not the messenger, he's the message. People are absolutely rejecting the statists, giving the big middle finger to the cuck republican establishment. It's not about what Trump will do. It's that he will do something, which is a hell of a lot more than the other candidates can say, with the possible exception of Rand.

No one knows what direction Trump will actually take, but people are damn sure where the others will go and they've heard those lines before.

Trump is a one man revolution.

Blogger James Dixon January 28, 2016 9:09 AM  

> It could be that he is "all apple and no core", as Barack Obama was in 2008.

No one with any sense thought Obama had any substance. We know Trump does, we just don't know what it is yet.

Blogger CDM January 28, 2016 9:13 AM  

I'm very much enjoying all the losers from Fux, Talk Radio, blogs, & MSM giving Trump, polling at 42% on how to be successful. Cruz is beside himself now because Trump has taken away his audience by not showing up for the debate.

Blogger Durandel Almiras January 28, 2016 9:14 AM  

Who is the painter of the original image? Looks like the same style as the guy who made super-buff Jesus breaking the cross.

As to this situation with Trump and Fox...is Alpha so rare that people have no idea that his tactic is far better and telegraphs that he is the strong man, not the weak?

Blogger Josh January 28, 2016 9:15 AM  

Do you deny that he is an Alpha male?
If so, why?


No.

I don't think I've ever denied that.

If I've said otherwise in the past, feel free to post that comment.

Blogger Elocutioner January 28, 2016 9:15 AM  

Trump uses Twitter to troll the media every day. And the other candidates STILL haven't figured out the unapologetic self-promotion with rhetoric bit.

Blogger VD January 28, 2016 9:17 AM  

Who is the painter of the original image?

Boris Vallejo, the Conan painter. It's a Gor cover.

Blogger Student in Blue January 28, 2016 9:17 AM  

@8. Didact, @31. James Dixon

There's a good possibility that he'll be against free trade and maybe for something like tariffs, because he was saying that even <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOKi5YeNtRI>25 years ago.</a>

I don't believe his stance has changed on that at all, even if he's focusing on immigration right now.

Would ending free trade/imposing tariffs would be expansionist or reductionist? Republican, Democrat, or neither?

Blogger Student in Blue January 28, 2016 9:18 AM  

Wow, I jacked up that link. Here's a fixed link.

Blogger Christopher January 28, 2016 9:19 AM  

That interview was disturbing and a bit bizarre. I thought O'Reilly seemed a bit unhinged and desperate --almost as if he'd just come out of a day of bad meetings with his superiors with these marching orders that he knew he was very unlikely to fulfill.

Why would O'Reilly, a guy so otherwise successful (and presumably well off as a result), be so disturbed and so desperate over this? No one is saying O'Reilly is at fault for the Fox tweets or Megyn Kelly's questions or anything with regard to Trump not debating. Heck O'Reilly isn't even a moderator. What gives that he'd beg like a broken prisoner of war?

Anonymous WinstonWebb January 28, 2016 9:19 AM  

It wasn't a challenge, Josh. Just a question. I appreciate that you answered.

Blogger James Dixon January 28, 2016 9:20 AM  

> Wow, I jacked up that link

You left off the closing quote on the URL. It's always a good idea to hit preview on links.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr January 28, 2016 9:22 AM  

Limbaugh made a good observation. Fox News has become accustomed to having anyone not a rabid leftist come when Fox whistles. Trump isn't playing their game, and Fox News is suffering a meltdown over it.

Important hint to Cruz: Ignore ALL questions about Trump being or not being at the debate. Act as though you were the nominee, and you can BE the nominee.

Important hint to the GOP as a whole: Trump is giving lessons in Alpha leadership techniques. Most notably, he's refusing to grovel to Fox News...and to Megyn Kelly (and the question she asked was marginal - and should NOT have come from her, but from a man). Take notes, use this in the future.

Blogger Gaiseric January 28, 2016 9:22 AM  

WinstonWebb, I'm not offended. Every single post has a call out to Josh or Nate when it is about Trump. I mostly lurk lately, but I'm pretty much in line with Nate and Josh on Trump.

That's because it's entertaining to see how they'll spin their butthurt about Trump. On the other hand, saying "I'm with Nate/Josh" isn't entertaining. It's farmer Tom dreary.

Blogger Durandel Almiras January 28, 2016 9:23 AM  

Raiders of Gor, cover art by Vallejo, as I thought. Man is his art style distinct.

Blogger Josh January 28, 2016 9:23 AM  

It wasn't a challenge, Josh. Just a question. I appreciate that you answered.

No worries.

Blogger Guitar Man January 28, 2016 9:24 AM  

Ok, Gaiseric.

Blogger Durandel Almiras January 28, 2016 9:26 AM  

Thanks. Yeah, I used a painting he made of Jesus (I think he had a late life conversion) in a presentation to students about evangelizing on campus. A lot of them got a kick out of it. He had a unique style. I don't know mich about the cover art in those days, but was he the one who created that stule and others imitated, or was he just one of the better artists?

Blogger dc.sunsets January 28, 2016 9:26 AM  

Trump is probably the closest thing to an aristocrat available. His greatest attribute is also his worst; Rothbard noted that all billionaires are probably nuts due to being surrounded by sycophants, but Trump presumably has actual skin in the game and is perhaps less likely to continue policies that take from the deserving haves to shower on the undeserving have-nots.

Property ownership used to be a prerequisite for voting. It reduced the impulse to simply use the political system for outright highway robbery.

Trump seems more likely to treat the country as would a king, interested in maintaining its actual capital value, than any career politician.

Blogger Gaiseric January 28, 2016 9:26 AM  

As to this situation with Trump and Fox...is Alpha so rare that people have no idea that his tactic is far better and telegraphs that he is the strong man, not the weak?

Short answer: I absolutely believe so, yes. After generations of indoctrination that regular male behavior, to say nothing of alpha male behavior, is "toxic masculinity" and needs to be expunged from polite society, hardly anyone recognizes it. Even my otherwise intelligent friends are running around talking about how they think Trump is making a mistake, showing weakness, etc. Even as they start more and more to subconsciously gravitate towards both his camp and his tactics.

They honestly can't explain why Trump keeps going from strength to strength. They don't have any conscious understanding of why alpha maleness works.

Blogger Salt January 28, 2016 9:27 AM  

What gives that he'd beg like a broken prisoner of war?

It was all O'Reilly could do. He was probably ordered to, one way or another, bring back Donald. O'Reilly was ordered to do what could not be done. Most entertaining.

Blogger Josh January 28, 2016 9:28 AM  

Trump seems more likely to treat the country as would a king, interested in maintaining its actual capital value, than any career politician.

Based on what?

Blogger Gaiseric January 28, 2016 9:30 AM  

Thanks. Yeah, I used a painting he made of Jesus (I think he had a late life conversion) in a presentation to students about evangelizing on campus. A lot of them got a kick out of it. He had a unique style. I don't know mich about the cover art in those days, but was he the one who created that stule and others imitated, or was he just one of the better artists?

Boris (and his wife Julie Bell, who's works are almost indistinguishable) is not necessarily one of the better artists of the style; he was openly imitating Frank Frazetta (as was Ken Kelly and others) but Julie and Boris introduced an openly soft-core porn vibe to it.

Frank Frazetta is really the beginning and the end of the sword & sorcery style of art as we know it. Everyone since has either been imitating, or at least reacting to his work.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 January 28, 2016 9:30 AM  

By walking away, Donald Trump IS persuading people that he is a strong leader, one who isn't beholden to the media.

If he's doing it because he's holding a grudge, then no, that's not Alpha. But if he's doing it because he actually thinks she's a bad moderator, then that's a different story.

Anonymous WinstonWebb January 28, 2016 9:31 AM  

Property ownership used to be a prerequisite for voting.
It was also the metric on whether or not one paid taxes. That's an important part to include when you speak of limiting the franchise.

Blogger Durandel Almiras January 28, 2016 9:32 AM  

Chris, they are acting "unhinged" because they are not used to someone rejecting them. The media likes to think of themselves as the real power, the king makers, the "it girl" of the high school whom everyone has to go to in order to be somebody if she grants approval. Trump, if successful, might paint the way to breaking the MSM and their power over the people, since if he can ignore them, so can you.

As Napoleon said above, Trump is giving everyone a lesson in Alpha leadership. I'm sure many would be horrified if groups of men starting following his example. How many Trumps would be needed to start a revolution in this country?

Blogger Durandel Almiras January 28, 2016 9:35 AM  

Thanks Gaiseric. Yeah, I noticed the soft core thing when I went to his website. I'll check Frank Frazetta out. Something impressive with that style. Perhaps it's the over accentiated masculinity and femininity.

Anonymous The S:PY January 28, 2016 9:38 AM  

"Democracy predictably produces rulers who behave like renters, not owners. Given that I'm stuck having to live under someone's rule, I'm actually quite curious to see what would happen when the Executive Branch's top spot is occupied by someone who is presumably un-bribe-able, and presumably has no particular need to rearrange any subsystems to pay him large benefits downstream."

Very astute commentary.

While Trump isn't as conservative as I'd prefer, I think that the points that you bring up are good ones. Trump has all the money and all the things that money can possibly buy. What incentive is there for him to continue wrecking this country?

I'm willing to take a chance on a firebrand political outsider. Maybe he'll be another Ross Perot or Pat Buchanan used to divide the vote and give the election to the Democrats, but who's to know at this juncture. The elite are very good at gaming the system and frankly I don't trust any of them. Has Trump suddenly gained a conscience and become decidedly anti-establishment or are we witnessing a political-elite-psychodrama.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss?

Blogger Nate January 28, 2016 9:39 AM  

"But if he's doing it because he actually thinks she's a bad moderator, then that's a different story."

Look up his previous interviews with her. Right up until the debate he loved her. He was in fact effusive of his praise of her, and even said she was a better debate moderator than he would be.

He got his ass kicked last time and he knows it. And he doesn't want his ass kicked again.

Blogger dc.sunsets January 28, 2016 9:39 AM  

@51 Josh, based on what might be objective data (net worth.)

Heinlein classified "honest politician" as one who, once bribed stays bribed.

Most career politicians are not rich. Wealthy, often, but rich? Not by today's standards. They marinate in a swamp whose most basic attribute is "concentrated benefit, diffuse cost." The most concentrated benefit of all is a bribe large enough to jump from wealthy to rich.

If Trump really is worth what is claimed, his holdings would be likely to be hit with "diffuse costs" no matter what he did. It seems less likely that he could concentrate benefits to himself that didn't benefit people like me.

Anyone who thinks they have ONE CLUE what a politician will do once in office, based on what the politician said, needs to grow up. People change their minds and their motivations all the time.

You're better off picking a random name from the phonebook than using what they say as a means of choosing. Better than either of those is to pick someone whose class membership seems less threatening to your own.

Blogger James Dixon January 28, 2016 9:42 AM  

> ...but was he the one who created that stule and others imitated, or was he just one of the better artists?

I wouldn't say he created it, but he and Frazetta were definitley the masters of it.

Blogger Josh January 28, 2016 9:43 AM  

@51 Josh, based on what might be objective data (net worth.)
...
If Trump really is worth what is claimed, his holdings would be likely to be hit with "diffuse costs" no matter what he did. It seems less likely that he could concentrate benefits to himself that didn't benefit people like me.


Splain.

Blogger SciVo January 28, 2016 9:44 AM  

Christopher @39: No one is saying O'Reilly is at fault for the Fox tweets or Megyn Kelly's questions or anything with regard to Trump not debating. Heck O'Reilly isn't even a moderator. What gives that he'd beg like a broken prisoner of war?

As Richard Bicker said on Scott Adams's post on this:

"I don't think people fully understand where this is going. Trump has mortally wounded Fox News. Rupert better get off his ass and repair the damage before the whole thing goes down the tubes. ..."

"The FNC response to the hit Trump has put on the network will be an internal organization-wide loyalty test, separation, and eventual purging. The organization will vilify Trump and demand of all its talent that they OVERTLY pledge allegiance to Megyn Kelly and disavow Trump. All scheduled interviews with Trump will be cancelled - O'Reilly has one scheduled for Wed night - and the talent told not to schedule additional ones without explicit pre-approval by management. ..."

"As far as the future, Trump will cut FNC off from any interviews, participation at his events, commentary in "spin rooms", after-victory comments during the primary season, etc. ... FNC has lost ALL access to Trump, his administration, his friends, allies, and surrogates. This is a breach that cannot and will not be healed."

"Don't look at this as just a nasty spat between husband and wife who must make peace for the kids' sakes and because they must live together. This is Ronald Reagan and the air traffic controllers' strike. Trump must CRUSH the Fox News Network to demonstrate to all the other centers of American power that the game has fundamentally changed. ..."

Blogger Student in Blue January 28, 2016 9:48 AM  

@58. Nate
Look up his previous interviews with her. Right up until the debate he loved her. He was in fact effusive of his praise of her, and even said she was a better debate moderator than he would be.

He does that with almost literally everyone, you doofus.

He got his ass kicked last time and he knows it. And he doesn't want his ass kicked again.

You're cheering for the boxer who hit below the belt and bit ears, claiming that everyone else is mad because 'their boxer got whupped' when they're actually ticked that he's getting away with tons of bullshit.

Blogger James Dixon January 28, 2016 9:48 AM  

Of the two, my personal preference is for Frazetta, btw. His works seem to have a more primal nature than Vallejo's.

Blogger Gaiseric January 28, 2016 9:49 AM  

@56: http://frankfrazetta.org/

Anonymous Soga January 28, 2016 10:06 AM  

I'll second Frank Frazetta. His work has a more epic, inspiring effect on me than Vallejo. Vallejo appears too clean, too modern. Frazetta's works remind me of ancient paintings that depicted grandiose, larger than life mythic figures. There's a very noticeable "old school before old school was cool" impression Frazetta gives me.

Blogger Skylark Thibedeau January 28, 2016 10:12 AM  

By refusing to dance to the RNC tune, Trump must have the usual suspects who had cushy jobs in DC under Bush I and II shaking in their shoes wondering if there is a job for them in a Trump Administration or are they stuck in their think tank and punditry positions?

Blogger Verne January 28, 2016 10:13 AM  

That interview is why I watched last night. I think Trump honesty was angry when Fox publicly insulted him after he started saying he might not go (The art of the deal) if Kelly was there. He backed out. Out of anger and the knowledge that he did not need the debate. After that he stood by his decision like a leader does and made the best of it. He kicked ass in the O'Reilly interview.

Blogger Boone Waxwell January 28, 2016 10:15 AM  

"I'll second Frank Frazetta. His work has a more epic, inspiring effect on me than Vallejo. Vallejo appears too clean, too modern. Frazetta's works remind me of ancient paintings that depicted grandiose, larger than life mythic figures. There's a very noticeable "old school before old school was cool" impression Frazetta gives me"

perfect description. I third the sentiment

Blogger pdwalker January 28, 2016 10:19 AM  

Now matter how you cut it, this here has been the most entertaining election season in the last ...35? years.

Blogger bob k. mando January 28, 2016 10:20 AM  

17. Markku January 28, 2016 8:45 AM
He's asking Nate and Josh, not you.



i'm not Nate and Josh?



33. Durandel Almiras January 28, 2016 9:14 AM
Who is the painter of the original image?



kids these days. no appreciation for the classics. i remember when you'd see a half dozen to two dozen books with a Boris cover when you went through the skiffy shelves.

http://www.borisjulie.com/product-category/prints/boris-prints/paintings-boris-portfolio/


39. Christopher January 28, 2016 9:19 AM
What gives that he'd beg like a broken prisoner of war?



most of Fox's success is predicated on presenting themselves as the 'conservative' media option, in opposition to every other major media in the US.

if it becomes clear ( to the masses ) that Fox is just the daily narrative for the Hastert Pedophile Faggot wing of the GOP ... people are going to stop watching in droves.

and then O'Really's paycheck goes away and he doesn't make any more than Piers Morgan.



48. dc.sunsets January 28, 2016 9:26 AM
Rothbard noted that all billionaires are probably nuts due to being surrounded by sycophant



Trump has a pretty good feel for when he's being worked.

remember when the Cohen came through trolling all those people and made movies about it? Trump dumped his ass in <5min.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SaHW6Y7_Yg&spfreload=10



50. Salt January 28, 2016 9:27 AM
O'Reilly was ordered to do what could not be done.


if Ailes is begging Trump's wife and daughter for contact with Donald ... and can't get it ... you can be damn sure that every single Fox interaction, the interviewer will have specific instructions to try to get Trump back to the debate.

Anonymous rubberducky January 28, 2016 10:20 AM  

@68 watched the O'Reilly interview, too, and got the same vibe. Trump had the cold anger thing going in spades last night, he was uncharacteristically brusque. O'Reilly got him to crack a smile and warm up a bit with the milkshake meme (and that worked surprisingly well!).

Blogger Elocutioner January 28, 2016 10:21 AM  

Cernovich had a column a few weeks back (tweets? google failed me) about how Trump treats the media as a corporation does - PR to get a story out, not a gatekeeper spinning the narrative. They don't have insider access and power, he goes around them. They can do it his way or not at all. They tend to not like that.

Now extrapolate that out. You have Trump successfully counter-attacking an entire network, the biggest of the four cable outlets. No big deal except he is likely to be the next President and their core business is covering political news. They're playing a very high stakes game where losing could mean being shut off from much of Washington politics (and a fade to complete irrelevance) over the next five years. And they're losing. Badly.

Like. A. Boss.

They're freaking out because they can't control him. They can destroy the others.

Blogger Noah B January 28, 2016 10:22 AM  

It's obvious that Nate just prefers Cruz because he's from Texas.

Blogger Durandel Almiras January 28, 2016 10:23 AM  

Grazie

Blogger Student in Blue January 28, 2016 10:23 AM  

O'Reilly got him to crack a smile and warm up a bit with the milkshake meme (and that worked surprisingly well!).

Memes... are love, memes are life?

Anonymous Stevie Windermen January 28, 2016 10:25 AM  

Trump is the ultimate danger, a thrice married nully spewing fascist ideas and vitriol.

There are some weak white men whose sense of manhood is so fragile they are empowered by a man whose inherited money and Ivy League privilege appears to give him the right to insult and incite with impunity -- how ignorant are they?

Which is the ultimate point: Trump supporters display ignorance and lack of education-in other words stupidity.

They are ignorant, seemingly incapable of thinking through an issue or problem, weighing alternatives, and understanding what is in their best economic interests. That, of course, would truly empower them. It's not my intent to demean or insult, but to name the problem. How else does the GOP get these people to vote for them? By masterfully manipulating their ignorance, ignorance which generates fear.

The main reason Trump is still ahead in the polls is that the candidates he faces in the GOP primary are a bunch of wusses, afraid of attacking him, of shining the spotlight on his weaknesses. If he gets the nomination, which I personally doubt, Hillary will tear him to bits. In fact, I heard Karl Rove say something similar on Charlie Rose.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian January 28, 2016 10:26 AM  

Megyna Kelly is a whore that bores.

"But you are enflaming the War On De Wimmenz". She is a feminist and played straight off of the cultural marxist handbook.

I would blow her off too after that stupid question she posed.

If we are lucky, Trump will be a nationalist president. No doubt he will have flaws and failings, but if actually turns out to be a nationalist, that would be an amazing help to opening up the dialogue of where we are headed demographically.

Also, the shiv to the Grand Old Pedophiles/Pederasts is also a thing of beauty.

No voting out of this, but a little more lead time before the Collapse Of Doom would be nice.

Blogger Nate January 28, 2016 10:28 AM  

"You're cheering for the boxer who hit below the belt and bit ears, claiming that everyone else is mad because 'their boxer got whupped' when they're actually ticked that he's getting away with tons of bullshit."

Hit below the belt?

The question she asked him was the exact question I wanted asked the exact way I wanted asked. "When did you become a conservative?"

Everyone talks about the girl question but that wasnt the one that landed. The one that landed was the one about him flip flopping... and that was the one that left him looking like a floundering idiot.

and I believe that is the one he was mad about.

The other question was the opening he pounced on as a counter attack.

A very successful counter attack.

Blogger Elocutioner January 28, 2016 10:29 AM  

*I meant the three major cable news outlets, not four.

@71 Bob - He started his walk off at 50 seconds. And it was a great 50 seconds, "that's a brilliant idea..."

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian January 28, 2016 10:29 AM  

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Blogger Alexander January 28, 2016 10:30 AM  

The main reason Trump is still ahead in the polls is that the candidates he faces in the GOP primary are a bunch of wusses, afraid of attacking him, of shining the spotlight on his weaknesses. If he gets the nomination, which I personally doubt, Hillary will tear him to bits. In fact, I heard Karl Rove say something similar on Charlie Rose.

Well sheeet... if Karl Rove is saying it! Lemme guess, we need to dump the Trump and flock to Guac, as only Jeb! can give us the conservative we need in MOST IMPORTANT ELECTION.

Hiliary is having a hard time beating a genuine communist who was such a puss he let a couple of teenage orcs call him RACISS with his own microphone. She'll beat any of the cucks because that's already agreed upon. She won't beat Trump.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian January 28, 2016 10:32 AM  

Hillary will tear him to bits.

Not if she has to talk to accomplish it.

Nobody likes a harridan other than other harridans.

Blogger ZhukovG January 28, 2016 10:33 AM  

Don't Trump's business interests depend upon middle to lower upper class Americans having money to spend?

I will trust a politician's self interest before his altruism.

Blogger Gaiseric January 28, 2016 10:33 AM  

Hiliary is having a hard time beating a genuine communist who was such a puss he let a couple of teenage orcs call him RACISS with his own microphone. She'll beat any of the cucks because that's already agreed upon. She won't beat Trump.

It's hardly a given that Hillary will be the candidate after all. And if she is, she's the most beatable candidate that the Democrats have put up since Walter Mondale.

Blogger Cogitans Iuvenis January 28, 2016 10:34 AM  

What does everyone think of Cruz challenge to Trump that he will donate $ 1.5 million dollars to charity for a one on one debate. Effective? Waste of time?

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/cruz-groups-offer-dollar15m-to-charity-if-trump-debates-cruz-one-on-one/ar-BBoNh9J

Blogger JaimeInTexas January 28, 2016 10:36 AM  

On an unrelated note, our most beloved Congress-critter, unless you are in her district (I am on a neighboring district) like my coworker, Sheila Jackson Lee (call her Sheila Sherman Grant) is a walking, talking, bag of laughs. Here is the latest installment:

Congresswoman looks to preserve local historic mural

By Jake Reiner - Reporter

HOUSTON - The John Biggers' mural at the Blue Triangle Multicultural Association building in the 3rd Ward has withstood the test of time but Monday U.S. Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee looked to preserve it.

The paint is cracked and the roof over the mural is incapable of withstanding a major storm.

"If there was a heavy snow like what we're experiencing in Washington (D.C.), literally this roof would collapse," Jackson Lee said.

(snip)


http://www.click2houston.com/news/congresswoman-looks-to-preserve-local-historic-mural

Anonymous 5343 January 28, 2016 10:38 AM  

@58.

Perhaps when Trump said it Kelly had been a better moderator up to that point in time. Going for that gotcha moment in the Fox debate diminished her in my eyes. That night, she had an obvious agenda. That not moderating.

Blogger ZhukovG January 28, 2016 10:38 AM  

Relax Stevie,

The train is fine.

Anonymous A Visitor January 28, 2016 10:39 AM  

I'm loving that image! This is Trump's theme song.

Blogger Nate January 28, 2016 10:40 AM  

"It's obvious that Nate just prefers Cruz because he's from Texas."

I consider this whole thing a xanatos gambit. If trump wins I get 4 years of entertainment. if trump doesn't win I get 4 years of a completely different kind of entertainment.

If Trump wins, even if he flips on everything like I expect him to, it still proves that there is demand for an anti-immigration platform. so that's good. I win. If Trump wins, and flipflops and becomes just another GOP shill, it still proves that there is massive voter demand for an anti-GOP establishment guy. So that's good. Kill the GOP. Awesome. I win. And if Trump wins and he doesn't flipflop, then I also win... because he will basically kill the GOP and there will be real massive immigration reform for the first time since the 50s.

If he loses?

if he loses I get to watch a bitch yankee "winner" get his ass kicked by a bunch of "losers". That's always fun. I win. I get to rub it in all of your faces... which is also fun. I win.


See how this works?

I'm enjoying this greatly. There is no way for a guy in my position to not be thoroughly entertained.

I mean I'm watching intelligent people support a WWE hall of famer for president.

What could be better?

Anonymous Ted Cruz January 28, 2016 10:42 AM  

Who's this Ronald Dump guy everyone's talking about?

Blogger Nate January 28, 2016 10:43 AM  

"What does everyone think of Cruz challenge to Trump that he will donate $ 1.5 million dollars to charity for a one on one debate. Effective? Waste of time?"

I think its awesome because it makes the GOP look really weak. It would be the candidates taking over the election literally.

Blogger JaimeInTexas January 28, 2016 10:43 AM  

Nate, you really do not think that if Trump wins the GOP nomination that it might truly be the the end of Lincoln's party?

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian January 28, 2016 10:44 AM  

I mean I'm watching intelligent people support a WWE hall of famer for president.

What could be better?


America Fook Yeah!

Blogger Gaiseric January 28, 2016 10:44 AM  

What does everyone think of Cruz challenge to Trump that he will donate $ 1.5 million dollars to charity for a one on one debate. Effective? Waste of time?

A grave breach of the Code. When Cruz challenges Trump, Trump gets to set the venue, time and weapons; not Cruz. Cruz is gauche and unmanly.

Blogger Josh January 28, 2016 10:44 AM  

Don't Trump's business interests depend upon middle to lower upper class Americans having money to spend?

No

Blogger praetorian January 28, 2016 10:47 AM  

They are ignorant, seemingly incapable of thinking through an issue or problem, weighing alternatives, and understanding what is in their best economic interests.

Smells like... victory

Blogger VD January 28, 2016 10:48 AM  

Trump supporters display ignorance and lack of education-in other words stupidity.

I love what gammas think is persuasion. Oh, ow, the pain that assertion causes! I must abandon any thought of supporting Trump!

Anonymous VFM #6306 January 28, 2016 10:51 AM  

@53

If he's doing it because he's holding a grudge, then no, that's not Alpha.

Wrong. See also Michael Jordan, Tom Brady, Alexander Hamilton, Wyatt Earp...historical grudge holders.

It isn't the holding of a grudge that makes you alpha, though. It is what you do with it. Apparently Michael Medved thinks giving flowers to the object of your grudge is boss.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer January 28, 2016 10:51 AM  

remember when the Cohen came through trolling all those people and made movies about it? Trump dumped his ass in <5min.

You can tell that Trump knows it a troll (though I don't think he would have used that word) within a few seconds.

The amazing thing to me is that anybody fell for it.

Blogger Ingot9455 January 28, 2016 10:51 AM  

It's important to mention that Boris Vallejo was his own primary model for the male figures. Looking at his stuff, you'll usually notice a distinct similarity in all the male bodies. When you look at his work, you're seeing him at a certain age whether he's supposed to be drawing Conan or Corwin. (His wife, similarly, for the female models.)

Frazetta has more range. Vallejo definitely has power, though.

Anonymous #8601 Jean Valjean January 28, 2016 10:52 AM  

When Trump is questioned about his conservative credentials, he should simply say that he'll do a better job conserving the nation than all the other candidates combined.

Blogger Nate January 28, 2016 10:53 AM  

"Nate, you really do not think that if Trump wins the GOP nomination that it might truly be the the end of Lincoln's party?"

No. Not at all. I think that's wish fullfillment fantasy and overly simplistic thinking.

How trump behaves after winning the nomination... the outcome of the general election... and how he behaves if and when he wins that is what will determine the fate of the GOP.

Though at this point we're talking about time tables... but it doesn't matter. The GOP is a dead man walking. If Trump isn't the trigger man.. the next election cycle will provide one.

Anonymous Alexander January 28, 2016 10:54 AM  

Ignorant, uneducated, stupid, incapable of deep thinking...

Eh, nothing I haven't been called my entire life by lefties and cucks. In fact, you didn't even run the whole gamut: Trump supporters are also raciss islamaphobic homophobes cis-scum woman haterz who are just bitter that they're privilege is being taken away.

Blogger FP January 28, 2016 10:55 AM  

I made it two minutes into the interview and had to stop it. O'reilly was just cringe worthy. I almost felt sorry for him, in between fits of laughter.

It has been interesting in the last week or so to see many I respect on the gun-rights blogs, survivalist/preppers and militia types start going gonzo about how bad Trump is. They're acting like the Fudds they hate, aka cucks all worried about fascist/racist/anti-gun Trump.

Blogger Markku January 28, 2016 10:55 AM  

The main reason Trump is still ahead in the polls is that the candidates he faces in the GOP primary are a bunch of wusses, afraid of attacking him, of shining the spotlight on his weaknesses.

Don't you realize that you just made an argument for voting for Trump in the primaries?

Blogger Student in Blue January 28, 2016 11:00 AM  

@Nate
Everyone talks about the girl question but that wasnt the one that landed. The one that landed was the one about him flip flopping... and that was the one that left him looking like a floundering idiot.

If everyone's talking about the girl question being below the belt, why the hell were you assuming I was talking about "When did you become a conservative" when I referred to hitting below the belt?

and I believe that is the one he was mad about.

Okay, and this is your proof that Trump's really just running away from confrontation? Aren't you supposed to be alpha, Nate, and understand this isn't an alpha mindset, or do you believe that Trump isn't alpha?

Anonymous Roland D January 28, 2016 11:01 AM  

How do you use a bow and a shield at the same time?

Blogger Student in Blue January 28, 2016 11:03 AM  

How do you use a bow and a shield at the same time?

Shield attached to the forearm?

Anonymous Steve January 28, 2016 11:05 AM  

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/01/28/69-percent-say-president-trump-makes-them-anxious/






"Nearly 7 in 10 Americans say the idea of Donald Trump becoming president makes them anxious, according to a new Washington-Post-ABC News poll that is the latest to reinforce the fact that the GOP front-runner faces clear obstacles to broadening his appeal in a general election.

The Post-ABC poll finds 69 percent of Americans feel anxious about of a Trump presidency, while 3 in 10 are comfortable with the idea -- both similar to a Post-ABC poll last month.

Few of the top presidential contenders inspire great comfort with the public at-large. Nearly half say they feel anxious about Ted Cruz as president (49 percent), while 48 percent say the same of Marco Rubio.

Among Democratic hopefuls, 51 percent of Americans say they are anxious about Hillary Clinton becoming president, while 43 percent are similarly concerned about Bernie Sanders in the White House. Sanders is the only candidate tested in the poll for whom a plurality -- 50 percent -- says they feel comfortable with as president. (Expect the Sanders campaign to push this number as they make their case that the democratic socialist is electable.)

Despite those tepid ratings, anxiety surrounding a Trump presidency exceeds all candidates by a wide margin, with the gap concentrated with intense concerns. The 51 percent who feel "very" anxious about Trump is significantly higher than Clinton (35 percent), Cruz (26), Sanders (24) or Rubio (18)."



Trump is not breaking or realigning America's dominant political coalitions, he's exposing something within Republican politics that has been there all along (where past politicians dogwhistled toward it, Trump uses a blowhorn). It's not about limited government ideology, but resentment of the 'other' and 'undeserving.' If he wins the nomination, he will suffer an historic defeat, because most of the rest of the country considers him unacceptable.

Blogger The Other Robot January 28, 2016 11:05 AM  

Uh oh, they have brought in the big guns against the Donald. Anne Frank's stepsister.

Donald Trump acts like a new Hitler

Blogger Alexander January 28, 2016 11:07 AM  

O'Reilly and Trump. Minute 7 especially - look at Bill's body language. When he says "Don't walk away from it!" my mind immediately jumped to "Don't walk away from me!" It's painful.

Anonymous map January 28, 2016 11:07 AM  

There is a very good author to check out named Sir John Glubb who wrote an interesting book called The Fate of Empires.

He predicts that nations like the United States have life cycles that last around 250 years. So, the US as it is currently constituted will collapse sometime between 2026 and 2033.

http://people.uncw.edu/kozloffm/glubb.pdf

An excerpt:

In the first half of the ninth century, Baghdad enjoyed its High Noon as the greatest and the richest city in the world. In 861, however, the reigning Khalif (caliph), Mutawakkil, was murdered by his Turkish mercenaries, who set up a military dictatorship, which lasted for some thirty years. During this period the empire fell apart, the various dominions and provinces each assuming virtual independence and seeking its own interests. Baghdad, lately the capital of a vast empire, found its authority limited to Iraq alone.

The works of the contemporary historians of Baghdad in the early tenth century are still available. They deeply deplored the degeneracy of the times in which they lived, emphasizing particularly the indifference to religion, the increasing materialism and the laxity of sexual morals. They lamented also the corruption of the officials of the government and the fact that politicians always seemed to amass large fortunes while they were in office.

The historians commented bitterly on the extraordinary influence acquired by popular singers over young people, resulting in a decline in sexual morality. The ‘pop’ singers of Baghdad accompanied their erotic songs on the lute, an instrument resembling the modern guitar. In the second half of the tenth century, as a result, much obscene sexual language came increasingly into use, such as would not have been tolerated in an earlier age. Several khalifs issued orders banning ‘pop’ singers from the capital, but within a few years they always returned.

An increase in the influence of women in public life has often been associated with national decline. The later Romans complained that, although Rome ruled the world, women ruled Rome. In the tenth century, a similar tendency was observable in the Arab Empire, the women demanding admission to the professions hitherto monopolised by men. ‘What,’ wrote the contemporary historian, Ibn Bessam, ‘have the professions of clerk, tax-collector or preacher to do with women? These occupations have always been limited to men alone.’ Many women practised law, while others obtained posts as university professors. There was an agitation for the appointment of female judges, which, however, does not appear to have succeeded. Soon after this period, government and public order collapsed, and foreign invaders overran the country. The resulting increase in confusion and violence made it unsafe for women to move unescorted in the streets, with the result that this feminist movement collapsed.

The disorders following the military takeover in 861, and the loss of the empire, had played havoc with the economy. At such a moment, it might have been expected that everyone would redouble their efforts to save the country from bankruptcy, but nothing of the kind occurred. Instead, at this moment of declining trade and financial stringency, the people of Baghdad introduced a five-day week.

When I first read these contemporary descriptions of tenth-century Baghdad, I could scarcely believe my eyes. I told myself that this must be a joke! The descriptions might have been taken out of The Times today. The resemblance of all the details was especially breathtaking—the break-up of the empire, the abandonment of sexual morality, the ‘pop’ singers with their guitars, the entry of women into the professions, the five-day week. I would not venture to attempt an explanation! There are so many mysteries about human life which are far beyond our comprehension.

Blogger The Other Robot January 28, 2016 11:08 AM  

Don't you realize that you just made an argument for voting for Trump in the primaries?

Dude, Weakness is strength!

Anonymous The OASF January 28, 2016 11:10 AM  

@113

"My milkshake brings all the boys to the yard,
And they're like
It's better than yours,
Damn right it's better than yours,
I can teach you,
But I have to charge..."

Ahahahahahaha

Anonymous DaveD January 28, 2016 11:12 AM  

I deeply enjoy watching people who HATE Obama for being an anti-America dictator now jizzing over a ostensibly pro-American dictator.

Blogger James Dixon January 28, 2016 11:13 AM  

>
There are some weak white men whose sense of manhood is so fragile they are empowered by a man whose inherited money and Ivy League privilege

Wikipedia: Trump attended Fordham University for two years. He entered the Wharton School of Business at the University of Pennsylvania,...

Fordham and Wharton are Ivy League now? Who knew?

> They are ignorant, seemingly incapable of thinking through an issue or problem, weighing alternatives, and understanding what is in their best economic interests.

Because business as usual has been such an economic success for the past 17 years.

> The main reason Trump is still ahead in the polls is that the candidates he faces in the GOP primary are a bunch of wusses, afraid of attacking him,

Well, duh.

> If he gets the nomination, which I personally doubt, Hillary will tear him to bits...

Yeah, right. So the dem operatives keep saying. Methinks they doth protest too much.

> I consider this whole thing a xanatos gambit.

Pretty much, yeah. How can we lose? Trump wins the nomination and Hillary wins the election would be about the only bad outcome, and that's just more of what we're already dealing with.

Blogger Nate January 28, 2016 11:16 AM  

"Okay, and this is your proof that Trump's really just running away from confrontation? Aren't you supposed to be alpha, Nate, and understand this isn't an alpha mindset, or do you believe that Trump isn't alpha?"

Oh lord.. the "TRUMP'S NOT ALPHA" idiots are the worst. I mean the term "alpha" was created to describe men like Trump. To claim he isn't alpha is peak retard.

No I think Trump is a master reframer. Look at the last debate for example. Did you see the crowd start booing him? The crowd literally booed him, and he just blew it off and said something like "look they are booing at cruz". I mean that was genius. The guy is just amazing at that.

So I see this whole flipflop vs war on girls thing as just a reframing. He takes the focus off of his bad moment, and focuses on something he can reframe as a cheap shot... and ***poof*** everyone forgets he got knocked on his ass.

But he did get knocked on his ass.

Since he is obviously going through with the alternative event, its clear this time he was not bluffing. I think he's doing a very smart thing. I think he is applying the Art of War and fighting the fight he's already won.

Anonymous rienzi January 28, 2016 11:18 AM  

77.: "If he gets the nomination, which I personally doubt, Hillary will tear him to bits. In fact, I heard Karl Rove say something similar on Charlie Rose."


Carl Rove? Isn't he the political genius who engineered President Romney's historic, landslide win in the last election?

How are things in the warren? Give my regards to Scalzi.

Blogger Young Heaving Bosoms of Liberty January 28, 2016 11:20 AM  

Uh oh, they have brought in the big guns against the Donald. Anne Frank's stepsister.

She still has the pebbles Anne found.

Blogger CM January 28, 2016 11:21 AM  

SiB -
Would ending free trade/imposing tariffs would be expansionist or reductionist? Republican, Democrat, or neither?

I'd say it is Nationalist.

My husband is a protectionist and from what I understand, there's more constitutional backing for Tarriffs than federal taxes.

I don't really think Trump cares about the constitution, Republican, Democrat, Libertarian. He appears to be a straight up Nationalist and that's it.

He ignores issues that don't align with that and takes impure (party wise) positions in everything else.

I also don't think he cares about what policies benefited him as a business man because being president isn't the same, which could explain his flipping on some issues he supported as a business man... i mean he was very vocal about donating to politicians on both sides because it benefited his business interests. That should be more damning of the politicians than the business man.

So while Tarriffs hurt big and established business, it benefits smaller business and little people. It is a very "unsouthern" position (considering how tarriffs were used to manipulate New England's baby textile industry pre-CW), but it is a nationalist one.

Blogger Nick S January 28, 2016 11:21 AM  

I love the smell of histrionics and hyperbole in the morning. It's amusing, but Trump is still just a tool. I can only hope he proves a useful one. It's certainly not a given. 50/50 shot at best.

Blogger James Dixon January 28, 2016 11:21 AM  

> https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/01/28/69-percent-say-president-trump-makes-them-anxious/

People who believe what they read in the Washington Post are likely to have other unsavory habits.

Blogger Nate January 28, 2016 11:21 AM  

I think Fox very much did expect him to threaten to not come to the debate, because he did the same thing to CNN. But I think Fox also obviously thought he was bluffing... because he folded to CNN they expected him to fold to them too.

Trump believes he is in a stronger position now than he was a month or so ago when ever the CNN debate was. i think Fox made their call based on static reasoning without considering the dynamics of the situation.

It bit them in the ass.

The numbers in Iowa are going to be very interesting. I very much want to see how Trump responds when he can't play the "I'm winning and you're jealous" card. Or how he responds when someone says, "Hey there chief.. when chips were down you came in third." It would be very entertaining to see Trump pushed.

OpenID sigbouncer January 28, 2016 11:24 AM  

"If he gets the nomination, which I personally doubt, Hillary will tear him to bits. In fact, I heard Karl Rove say something similar on Charlie Rose."


Trump will destroy Hillary. By at least 8 points.

Sanders is the real threat to Trump. Sanders can pull the Robin Hood and rich versus poor cards out against Trump. And don't be fooled. Sanders has the numbers on him in that respect across the country because most of the country is broke.

Anonymous Viking January 28, 2016 11:25 AM  

American politics up to now has been choosing between someone who WILL do the wrong thing and someone else who WON'T do the right thing.

Trump is the unknown. He will definitely do something, we just don't know what exactly. Trump is choice C - none of the above.

Blogger FP January 28, 2016 11:26 AM  

"Uh oh, they have brought in the big guns against the Donald. Anne Frank's stepsister."

Next up, her sister's cousin's friend's brother's former college roommate.

Blogger Sheila4g January 28, 2016 11:26 AM  

@51 Josh: "Trump seems more likely to treat the country as would a king, interested in maintaining its actual capital value, than any career politician.

Based on what?"

I'll take a stab at this - based purely on personal opinion. I think Trump values what he considers "his" - i.e. he's angry and frustrated because his country appears weak and foolish to others, and that reflects poorly on him, because he seems to identify very much as an American. If for no other reason than his ego, he wants his country to be prosperous/successful because that would be a reflection on him, just as his kids being prosperous and successful is a positive reflection on him as a parent. I'd venture that part of Putin's motivation is the same - he's definitely out to enrich himself and enhance his own image, but part of that self-image entails leading a country perceived as powerful, not a poor, failing backwater that can be pushed around by all and sundry.

@53 White Knight Leo: "If he's doing it because he's holding a grudge, then no, that's not Alpha. But if he's doing it because he actually thinks she's a bad moderator, then that's a different story."

I suggest this entire interpretation of Trump's actions (he's skipping the debate and is mad at Fox because of Kelly) is totally mistaken. Sure, he started whining about her question or her abilities, but it was nothing more than that - grouching and letting people know he wasn't happy with how she'd treated him. What apparently angered him and cemented his decision to ignore the debate was the totally mocking and insulting message Fox put out (I've read it was done by Ailes or done without his knowledge, take your pick). I've read numerous references over the past few days as to how much that press release infuriated him, and just this morning his son Donald Jr. specifically cited that as his reason. It was childish and unprofessional, at least in the opinion of just about every other pundit and media "professional" I've seen refer to it.

Blogger JaimeInTexas January 28, 2016 11:29 AM  

@104. Nate

Yes, I am aware that I do have a "wish fullfillment fantasy." "overly simplistic thinking?" Maybe.

Trump seems to be a catalyst. Maybe Cruz.

I can have dreams, can't I?

Blogger Markku January 28, 2016 11:30 AM  

This is how Sanders appears to me

This isn't about left/right. Hillary comes across as an actually competent and dangerous enemy.

But I would be absolutely flabbergasted if that other clown managed to get the hoi polloi up their asses to voting booths, even though they may give the occasional positive words for his politics.

Blogger Nate January 28, 2016 11:32 AM  

Neither Sanders nor Hillary have a prayer. The only prayer the dems have is to get hillary arrested and run Biden.

please God.. please let this happen. Trump vs Biden would be the greatest thing ever.

Anonymous That Would Be Telling January 28, 2016 11:32 AM  

@54 WinstonWebb:

Property ownership used to be a prerequisite for voting.

It was also the metric on whether or not one paid taxes. That's an important part to include when you speak of limiting the franchise.


There were and are all sorts of other taxes, in the US for example the 1791 "whiskey tax" and Whiskey Rebellion in response, and and I'd heard that taxes on alcohol were a pretty big part of the Federal budget until the Progressives fixed that with the income tax, which then helped to allow the following ban on alcohol.

I'm pretty sure tariffs can also count as sales taxes, they're ultimately paid by the end user, who's often a native.

Hard to quickly find facts, this says:

[...] in 1800, custom duties comprised about 84% of government receipts. Internal federal revenue collections (which exclude tariffs on imports) as recently as the early 20th century were primarily derived from excise taxes on alcohol. In 1900 over 60% of internal revenue collections came from alcohol excise taxes with another 20% from tobacco excise taxes.

Blogger Student in Blue January 28, 2016 11:37 AM  

@Nate
So I see this whole flipflop vs war on girls thing as just a reframing. He takes the focus off of his bad moment, and focuses on something he can reframe as a cheap shot... and ***poof*** everyone forgets he got knocked on his ass.

But he did get knocked on his ass.


Fair enough point on the reframing, I concede that.

There's a difference between getting your ass kicked, which you called it the first time, and getting knocked on your ass however.

One is taking a hefty blow, the other is taking so many blows that you lost, or only just barely won.

And regardless, considering alpha mentality it's hard to believe an alpha would avoid a confrontation only because they took a hard hit.

Blogger Salt January 28, 2016 11:38 AM  

@118 I think he is applying the Art of War and fighting the fight he's already won.

By jove, I think Nate's getting it.

Blogger James Dixon January 28, 2016 11:38 AM  

> This is how Sanders appears to me

Well, I can;t argue with that. However, this is how Hillary looks to most people.

Blogger Student in Blue January 28, 2016 11:39 AM  

@Nate
please God.. please let this happen. Trump vs Biden would be the greatest thing ever.

You wouldn't want to see a Hillary meltdown of epic proportions? Because I'm pretty sure that's what it would come down to.

Anonymous kawaika January 28, 2016 11:39 AM  

"Okay, and this is your proof that Trump's really just running away from confrontation? Aren't you supposed to be alpha, Nate, and understand this isn't an alpha mindset, or do you believe that Trump isn't alpha?"

Aren't there two kinds of alpha? One kind seems more petty than the other, and yet still clearly alpha.

OpenID sigbouncer January 28, 2016 11:39 AM  

"Hillary comes across as an actually competent and dangerous enemy."

How so? She's under indictment for giving away National Intel. All her questions are staged. Bill kills her on any "Trump vs women" things she could bring to the table. And then there's Benghazi.

Trump will crush that cackling old lady. She has no chance against him.

Blogger Alexander January 28, 2016 11:41 AM  

I want to see Anonymous Conservative's theories all come to pass in one glorious ranturism before Hillary croaks on stage in front of millions. That requires Clinton/Trump debate.

Anonymous WinstonWebb January 28, 2016 11:42 AM  

You are correct, TWBT, insomuch as there were other forms of indirect taxation. I yield on that point.

Blogger Nick S January 28, 2016 11:44 AM  

Trump vs Biden would be the greatest thing ever.

I've thought for a while that that's where this is heading and Biden wins because feelings.

Anonymous Russtovich January 28, 2016 11:44 AM  

"There is a very good author to check out named Sir John Glubb who wrote an interesting book called The Fate of Empires.

He predicts that nations like the United States have life cycles that last around 250 years. So, the US as it is currently constituted will collapse sometime between 2026 and 2033.

http://people.uncw.edu/kozloffm/glubb.pdf"
==================================================

Another fan of Glubb, whom map mentions above.

Blogger David-093 January 28, 2016 11:46 AM  

@Nate

There was another time, during I think the fourth debate, where the crowd started booing him when he talked about targeting the families of ISIS members, and he said, "I just can't imagine someone booing that, these are people that want to kill us folks, and you think theyre going to stop if we play nice? I don't think so." And the crowd actually applauded. He won an argument with the audience, it was masterful.

Blogger Student in Blue January 28, 2016 11:46 AM  

@137. Kawaika
Aren't there two kinds of alpha? One kind seems more petty than the other, and yet still clearly alpha.

Depends. Are you using the generic alpha/beta definitions, or are you using the expanded Vox hierarchy?

OpenID sigbouncer January 28, 2016 11:46 AM  

"Neither Sanders nor Hillary have a prayer."

Sanders absolutely does if he gets by Clinton. You know full well that the majority of this country is looking for a handout. And Bernie is Mr. Handout.

Blogger Markku January 28, 2016 11:47 AM  

How so? She's under indictment for giving away National Intel. All her questions are staged. Bill kills her on any "Trump vs women" things she could bring to the table. And then there's Benghazi.

She has baggage, yes, but she's not a clown by just who she IS. But one look at Sanders, without knowing ANYTHING more about him, and you go "you've GOT to be kidding me..."

Blogger James Dixon January 28, 2016 11:54 AM  

> Trump will crush that cackling old lady. She has no chance against him.

If campaigns were about facts and logic, yes. But never underestimate the willingness of the party faithful to throw both of those under the bus. Also never underestimate how many dead people vote for democrats.

That said, I think Trump wins against her handily.

Blogger YIH January 28, 2016 11:56 AM  

@61. Josh:
I heard Trump states his net worth as $10 bil. 5 in various real estate/business ventures and he claims his name as a brand name is worth 5 bil.
I don't doubt 'Trump' as a registered trademark does a value (though I don't think I've ever seen it with the ®), but 5 bil. no.
I've seen in 'name recognition' surveys that Trump ~%89, Bush ~%86, Clinton ~%83.
With the rest under %50.

Blogger RobertT January 28, 2016 11:58 AM  

Farook Fox.

Blogger Tim_W_Burke January 28, 2016 11:58 AM  

Has there been any indication what Trump will do with the bankers/oligarchy?

Blogger YIH January 28, 2016 12:02 PM  

"Neither Sanders nor Hillary have a prayer."
As we all saw 8 years ago, Hillary is very beatable, and she didn't have as much of a dark cloud over her head as she does now.
Though I'm not quite buying the 'Trump v. Sanders polls.

Blogger bob k. mando January 28, 2016 12:03 PM  

77. Stevie Windermen January 28, 2016 10:25 AM
Which is the ultimate point: Trump supporters display ignorance and lack of education-in other words stupidity.



it pleases me to warm my hands over the fire of your disdain and contempt.

get angrier, littlest cuck.

and then answer this question:
how is it that you have no fury over pedophile faggots having had better representation in Congress via Dennis Hastert than you do?


77. Stevie Windermen January 28, 2016 10:25 AM
In fact, I heard Karl Rove say something similar on Charlie Rose.



o hohoohoohohohoahahahahahahahahaha.

quoting Karl Rover here? and you accuse US of stupidity?

bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

go back and vote for Romney again while you suck Rove's cock, you goddamn retard.

make sure you clean off the shit from the 5 year old's ass that Karl just got done fucking before you start licking.



80. Elocutioner January 28, 2016 10:29 AM
@71 Bob - He started his walk off at 50 seconds.



i have no idea how much of the interview might have been trimmed off of the front ( you don't see the greet or interview open ) or if this was the entirety of it.

and i'm damn sure not going to give money to Cohen to find out.

if that was the whole thing, fine, he extricated himself from someone trying to punk him in under 60 seconds ... and looked cool doing it.

he didn't make Cohen into as much of a bitch as Rooney did.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1EFyyoxa4k

but here's the thing, Andy still gave Cohen footage which was 'funny' ... which is all Cohen really wanted. you think the Ali G / Borat movies could have been made if every interviewee had simply stood up and walked out on him like Trump did?


fuck, no.

Trump's footage is only in that movie as a contrast to everyone else trying to make sense of the bullshit. Trump identified Cohen as bullshit and immediately stood up and left ... WHILE NOT GIVING COHEN ANY MATERIAL TO RIFF ON.

does this mean Donald should be president? no. but it's a big step up from the Zero we have now ... or Hillary or Sanders or Jeb or Gang of Eight Rubio or any number of others.


86. Cogitans Iuvenis January 28, 2016 10:34 AM
Effective? Waste of time?



Cruz is still trying to leech off of Trump's heat and light rather than create his own.

which, given that Trump is leading, has some tactical merit.

but he's still ceding the initiative, therefore, not the greatest strategerially.


Nate's point about the gutting of the GOPe has merit, but Cruz still is not seizing the initiative.

Anonymous BGKB January 28, 2016 12:04 PM  

Arnold Schwarzenegger's handling of his secret affair with his housekeeper

Do you have any idea how many gold digging hoes would have hoped to have gotten pregnant by him?

is Alpha so rare that people have no idea that his tactic is far better and telegraphs that he is the strong man, not the weak?

Consider the echo chambers they live in, to advance in most journalism they have to pass loyalty tests so any future Mel Gibsons have their career crushed in the cradle. At a gay youth conference in DC when I started college someone argued to make the streets safer for teen prostitutes + legalization, I got the mic to question "I am an EMT and the streets will never be fully safe for EMTS shouldn't we find some alternative to prostitution as only ugly people have to pay for sex." must have been over 1000 people there and all looked like I had just praised Hitler.

Blogger Student in Blue January 28, 2016 12:05 PM  

@150. Tim_W_Burke
Has there been any indication what Trump will do with the bankers/oligarchy?

I don't think so, specifically. I think we'd all love for the Federal Reserve to be dismantled, but that's kinda been backseat to immigration and guns in the meantime.

If Trump keeps on his ideas of Americans first and starts fighting against "free" trade, he'll come quickly against the oligarchy, however much he isn't already from being against their cheap imported labor.

Anonymous jdgalt January 28, 2016 12:08 PM  

I love that picture. Trump's sad-sack expression makes him look more like Nero than any real leader. And he will certainly play the lute as America burns down.

Blogger Nate January 28, 2016 12:08 PM  

"And regardless, considering alpha mentality it's hard to believe an alpha would avoid a confrontation only because they took a hard hit."

He's not avoiding a confrontation.

He's attacking from another angle.

Anonymous #8601 Jean Valjean January 28, 2016 12:09 PM  

If it comes down to Trump and Sanders, Bloomberg will enter as a 3rd Party.

We'll have 3 New Yorkers fighting it out, including two New York Jews.

Anonymous Angry January 28, 2016 12:09 PM  

The biggest problem with Sanders is that, despite his socialism, he can't get around the Democrats being just another anti-White party looking to tax white people into the poorhouse just to help their minority constituency. Even his anti-business bona fides don't pan out: Bernie Sanders is a Jew and Wall Street is controlled by Jews. Does anyone really think Sanders is going to go after his fellow Jews to raise the capital needed to impose socialism here? It is absurd.

Handouts will go to everyone, including illegals and foreigners, but white people.

Blogger Chiva January 28, 2016 12:10 PM  

Trump vs Biden would be the greatest thing ever.

A presidential debate that I would actually watch.

Blogger Nate January 28, 2016 12:10 PM  

Remember, like Fox, I believed he was bluffing. I even called his campaign headquarters in Iowa to find out if there was an event scheduled and they had no answers for me. so I was surprised more than most to find they really did get something organized.

now that it is clear he wasn't bluffing, it all to be reconsidered.

That's what rational people do. They react to the world as it is. not as they thought it would be.

Blogger YIH January 28, 2016 12:12 PM  

Via ZeroHedge.

Anonymous No January 28, 2016 12:13 PM  

Trump v. Biden would be the second greatest option.

Trump/Biden presidency would be the first.

No one loves Hillary. Not even the Lesbians. If you can't lock up 100% of one of those tiny .5% core identity voting blocks...you are toast.

Besides, it took me three or four weeks of ads after being introduced to Bernie Sanders to realize he wasn't another old lesbian himself.

Blogger Nate January 28, 2016 12:15 PM  

"Sanders absolutely does if he gets by Clinton. You know full well that the majority of this country is looking for a handout. And Bernie is Mr. Handout."

Again... not. a. prayer.

neither Sanders nor Hillary stand a chance against even a pretend conservative. Anyone to the right of Jeb and Christie will crush them completely.

Blogger Student in Blue January 28, 2016 12:19 PM  

@Nate
He's not avoiding a confrontation.

He's attacking from another angle.


Which is exactly why I was going ???? when you said:

He got his ass kicked last time and he knows it. And he doesn't want his ass kicked again.

in response to White Knight Leo pondering Trump's motives.

That's pretty clearly saying he's avoiding the debate because he doesn't want to get hurt again.

Blogger James Dixon January 28, 2016 12:21 PM  

> That's pretty clearly saying he's avoiding the debate because he doesn't want to get hurt again.

That's avoiding fighting on the opposition's terms. That's a separate issue from attacking from another angle. It's a two step process.

Blogger Nate January 28, 2016 12:22 PM  

"He got his ass kicked last time and he knows it. And he doesn't want his ass kicked again."

Because he did get his ass kicked.

You're forgetting the reframing came the next day.

So what's smarter for Trump... bang with her again and risk getting his ass kicked again, and have to waste days reframing it.... or change the frame from the begining... discredit them all.. and punch them from a completely new, and totally safe, angle?

Look step one to alphaness is knowing when you got beat.

He knows he got beat and he's taking steps to see that it doesnt' happen again.

Anonymous Make America Great Again! January 28, 2016 12:27 PM  

I hope his boycott of FoxNews debates is just the beginning.

Just for the lulz, I'd like to see Trump win the primaries, then come out with a position that he will not participate in ANY debates from here on out during the General Election campaign, regardless of who the Dem candidate is. Think of it...he could just do regular interviews - speeches and such, responding to anything the Dem candidate states, and release it to youtube and tweet it. That would get his messages out without being subject to 30 second responses and dealing with biased moderators. He alone has the opportunity to completely transform American Democracy by doing something like that.

The debates have always been farce and political theater, and for once, we have a candidate who has the recognition, platform and popularity that could feasible refuse to play the media's debate game and still win the whole shebang....all while sticking the shiv into the mainstream media and their self-important idea that they are the kingmakers of America.

Trump is the one guy who actually could get away with an end around the mainstream media using youtube and twitter.

Blogger Elocutioner January 28, 2016 12:29 PM  

So he knows he got beat and yesterday you thought he was just bluffing instead of - as he said he was going to do - punching back at a different angle and fighting on his own terms?

Anonymous No January 28, 2016 12:30 PM  

Man, I would love if Jeb could just figure out how to turn his machine on.

"Jeb vs. Sanders: the Hindenburg Election"

OpenID sigbouncer January 28, 2016 12:32 PM  

"He got his ass kicked last time and he knows it. And he doesn't want his ass kicked again."

That's not it. This isn't all about her. Trump can see the cards stacked against him. Kelly, the muslim who called him another Hitler that Fox added to the panel, Fox tweeting anti Trump messages.

Trump warned both Fox and the GOP about treating him fairly in the beginning. They aren't and because of this Trump isn't gonna play the game by their rules anymore. They showed their hand. And Trump has shown his now.

Blogger praetorian January 28, 2016 12:32 PM  

MFW the Donald John Trump State's Right of Secession Act of 2019 passes

Dis gon be glorious, fellow Trumpenstaffel. Trump is going to make confederacy real.

Blogger Nate January 28, 2016 12:32 PM  

"So he knows he got beat and yesterday you thought he was just bluffing instead of - as he said he was going to do - punching back at a different angle and fighting on his own terms?"

Absolutely.

Trump not backing down caused me to re-evaluate the entire situation. As it should for anyone.

Blogger Latigo3 January 28, 2016 12:33 PM  

So,
Trump is being Trump. What's the big deal, he has been like this since as far back as I can remember. He is no different than the myriad deal makers and businessman that I have dealt with out here where I live.
I have a simple rule in dealing with people like this, "don't trust them as far as you can throw them". Once that is established, everything is good.
Trump is a business man and like any good business man, when he sees something he wants, he goes after it. No one should be shocked by him and what he does, he is simply continuing a long political tradition.
Trump has been doing this a long time. People need to understand human nature, we all have a sin nature and if that nature is not submitted to God, then people act accordingly (even when it is submitted to God, people will act accordingly).
Is the man ruthless? Yes. Name me one politician, business leader, general who is not? We can all talk about virtues and how best to live them, but when it comes down to it, if a man like Trump wants something he goes after it.
The whiners, the passive-aggressive crybabies don't like him, yet he still keeps going. Makes me like him even more.
As far as I can see he has strategized this campaign perfectly and implemented his tactics properly.
Out here in California, people are comparing his campaign to Arnold's campaign for governor. There is a huge difference in the men and there character, while they both may be "celebrities", Trump has actually accomplished things in the real world, not the celluloid world.

Blogger vashine January 28, 2016 12:38 PM  

Trump inspires so many to bare their asses, to lash out in insecurity, to grovel and plead for qualification, even as they pretend to scorn and mock him, like the women and betas who crave his affirmation, while resenting his teflon outlook and peace of mind.

Trump got 'knocked down'. Bollocks. Trump didn't do anything but get fed up with Fox News, its poor management, its poor talent, and decided not to give them what they were vying for: a show trial.

The best thing about this to anyone with a real sense of self and humanity is that Trump just showed he's human. No, he cannot take on the world and win day after day if the game is constantly and increasingly rigged against him. He knows it, every man and woman worth their salt knows it. Any champion fighter knows it. They might defend their title once or twice even with one hand tied behind their back, and lord it over the punks who couldn't hang. But once both hands are tied and they put another three guys in the ring, it becomes a joke.

Trump has nothing to prove, and certainly not in an arena rigged so that he'll lose, and lose badly.

He owned himself, his voice, his person, his message. He just 'next-ed' and back-turned Fox and had try-hard, wanna be alpha O'Reilly begging him to make Fox News cool again by coming back to their little clique.

He's bigger than them. And human. And everyone just saw that. No man is invincible. Winners know that it's a marathon, not a sprint. You don't take every challenge, you choose your battles, you walk away from the ones with no benefit, or ones deigned for you to lose without even giving you a chance.

Trump rocks.

Blogger Nate January 28, 2016 12:39 PM  

"Trump warned both Fox and the GOP about treating him fairly in the beginning."

***chuckle***

The GOP Elite arn't nearly as bothered by Trump as you imagine they are. the little bitches from NRO don't matter to them. They think they can deal with Trump... so yeah... they'd prefer a puppet like Jeb or Rubio... but they're ok with Trump.

Cruz is the one that actually hate.

And he's trying... if he wins a few states the whole thing gets much more interesting. There is little doubt that if Cruz won he would remake the GOP completely. Would it look the way we want? No. it would look like he wants... and I don't think those things are the same.

Blogger Nate January 28, 2016 12:42 PM  

"Trump got 'knocked down'. Bollocks. Trump didn't do anything but get fed up with Fox News, its poor management, its poor talent, and decided not to give them what they were vying for: a show trial. "

what's that? all I see is "HOPE AND CHANGE!"

Blogger Bluntobj Winz January 28, 2016 12:43 PM  

@178

Do "They?"

The vampire squid thinks he's a good investment. It does not care about politics as long as the system is maintained and they make bank. Cruz has been a good investment so far, much like Glenn Beck. A great way to divert anger and energy down a lightning rod.

Blogger Young Heaving Bosoms of Liberty (dba automatthew) January 28, 2016 12:45 PM  

152. bob k. mando

No need to revel in the nastiness, bob. Tone it down.

Anonymous No January 28, 2016 12:48 PM  

What part of "I changed my mind" isn't clear? Nate was very clearly hinging everything yesterday on a) past behavior and b) the assumption of a cave.

No cave and past behavior didn't predict this, so Nate adapted his evaluation.

That's how its done. Too many people are more concerned about being right in their analysis rather than adapting to the right analysis!

If you want to be right a lot more than you currently are, state your assumptions first and know that when your prediction fails, in all likelihood, one of your assumptions (or more) must die. "Success" is short for a "Succession of failures."

Ha ha. My captcha was "trains."

Blogger SciVo January 28, 2016 12:49 PM  

A Visitor @90:

How about this one?

Blogger Elocutioner January 28, 2016 12:50 PM  

"Trump not backing down caused me to re-evaluate the entire situation. As it should for anyone"

Sure, but the difference is that for most us non-alphas his actions confirmed our expectations.

Blogger clk January 28, 2016 12:51 PM  

@146 - Absolutely ...Hillary has taken an lot of shots that would have ended lesser candidates .. and a president H Clinton will be one of the more competent presidents to date..

But I dont think she gets there .. because of the classified messages issue .. just a few messages by Petraeus resulted in a conviction... here there may be thousands ... the only thing saving her is that (and if this is true) the documents were not market as classified .. if any show up as marked, she is done.

The real question is when does this happen ? - the plan pre Trump rise was for this to show up after the primary and close to the election .. that would prevent a viable replacement for Hillary and the republican establishment candidate (which was going to be either Bush\Walker etc middle road republican)just walks in the winning run... now that the two possible republican candidates are Cruz, Trump .. the powers are bit nervous to pull that trigger because of the realization that Hillary is ideologically closer to Bush/Walker/ middle road republican than Trump.

So the most likely scenario is a Trump/Hillary match up with Hillary winning, then the classified information comes out driving a impeachment process to cripple a president Hillary.. that shifts the problem out 4 years, Trump cant run again (too old) and they can create a new republican contender who fits what they discovered from Trumps run...

And there will be 4 more years of republicans winning local/state elections and further rigging districts to favor them in the future....

Nobody wants to see a Sanders president... and we need to watch carefully who Hillary choices as VP because theres a good chance that person will be president -- Warren, Omalley, Castro, Harris. Mcauliffe (sp?)

Its really a masterful plan... or a cool movie plot...

Anonymous Curlytop January 28, 2016 12:51 PM  

Exactly! Yes, the Republican field is a literal clown car but one look at Sanders screams "buffoon." Then he opens his mouth and without paying attention to content, one can't help thinking that he sounds like a Jerry's Kid.

Blogger alexamenos January 28, 2016 12:52 PM  

This election has turned into the death rattle of ideological conservatism. Not sure when that happened, but that's what it's become.

Blogger JDC January 28, 2016 12:53 PM  

Just watched the interview on youtube. First, O'Reilly was uncharacteristically begging him to reconsider and attend the debate, "For the folks." Trump wasn't having it.

Towards the middle of the interview, O'Reilly remarked that upon entering the race many people thought Trump was a buffoon. Trump wasn't having that.

Towards the end O'Reilly actually praised him for coming on the show, and that he couldn't think of another person who would have the balls to do so.

It reminded me of a couple of weeks ago when some friends brought their tiny lab mix over to play with our dogs. My lab / mixes are rather large (90 lbs each), and the dog immediately fell the the ground and showed them her stomach. Complete submission. Think what you want about O'Reilly, but he normally doesn't submit to his guests...but Trump made him do so.

Blogger Student in Blue January 28, 2016 12:53 PM  

@Nate

I don't disagree with you it's smarter to change fram from the beginning, and I don't disagree that he's taking steps that it doesn't happen again.

What I do disagree with is that Trump expected himself to "lose" again if he went into the latest debate and need to spend time reframing the next day.

He was comfortable enough with going or not going to poll his twitter followers about it, then Fox pulls a Gamma move, and makes him think about not going to this not-on-the-schedule debate, then details come out about how Fox is going above and beyond with their "special" Youtuber questioners.

That sounds entirely like he would've been fine with going if his fans wanted him to, and Fox hadn't gone above and beyond.

You can't say that he planned to ditch this entire time given how off the cuff it was, and even you were convinced it wasn't real given how no one else knew about it at the time.

Then again, we may just be talking past each other at this point.

OpenID denektenorsk January 28, 2016 12:55 PM  

Roh roo - seems like they can make even more hay:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/01/28/trump-campaign-manager-exposes-that-fox-news-executive-in-charge-of-debates-has-daughter-working-for-marco-rubio/

Fox News Vice President Bill Sammon's daughter is the press secretary for Rubio's campaign.

Colour me surprised...

OpenID sigbouncer January 28, 2016 12:58 PM  

"Cruz is the one that actually hate."

Just to play devil's advocate here. What if the GOP said to themselves "Our voters like Trump better than the party. So let's have the party appear to align with Trump over Cruz. Maybe that will bring his ratings down?"

This after all would be the intelligent approach to dealing with Trump for those who don't want him in. Having the establishment appear to align with him. As Trump and Cruz are both winning based on being perceived as outsiders.

Blogger Student in Blue January 28, 2016 12:59 PM  

@Nate
what's that? all I see is "HOPE AND CHANGE!"

Quit getting triggered by emotive, rhetorical thinkers. They exist on every single side.

Anonymous Ezekiel Cassandros January 28, 2016 1:01 PM  

Doing a search for 'trump fundraiser' returns a host of squirrels chittering over the fact that a veteran's charity has said they will refuse any donations from the fundraiser.

But, its NOT the charity Trump has said he will be supporting.

Funny, that.

@bob k mando

Did I miss a memo? When was Karl Rove selected as a SFWA grandmaster?

Blogger Elocutioner January 28, 2016 1:05 PM  

@191 Yeah, it's almost like maybe Trump knew ahead of time that it was yet another obvious multi-faceted dogpile on him directly (with the Youtubers and Kelly's), took shots all week against Kelly, then when the intern sent that snarky message he took the opportunity to walk away.

https://twitter.com/megynkelly/status/691806275898871810
.@ChrisStirewalt on 2016 race: “This race will look totally different, I promise, on Friday than it does today.” #KellyFile #GOPDebate

Blogger Skylark Thibedeau January 28, 2016 1:06 PM  

@127 She just doesn't realize the New 'Immigrants' are akin to the ones that parachuted into Holland in 1940. They just haven't completely destroyed Rotterdam yet.

Anonymous Takin' a Look January 28, 2016 1:06 PM  

@ 39 Christopher

That is an incredibly astute observation. The reason is simple, people like O'Reilly are whores who are owned by (((pimps))). The (((pimps))) can take away everything from them. Their money, family, privacy, everything. They are wholly owned.

Blogger Nate January 28, 2016 1:07 PM  

"Quit getting triggered by emotive, rhetorical thinkers."

No one is triggered. I'm simply calling a spade a spade. And they do exist on all sides. That's what a lot of the smarter Trump folks are having a hard time admitting to themselves.

There is a swath of trump supporters who are exactly the same as the Obama voters were.

Blogger Elocutioner January 28, 2016 1:13 PM  

Re: The Megyn Kelly tweet. That was sent 1/25 - day before Trump walked. According to Conservative Treehouse:
"Chris Stirewalt is the advance guy, the Fox political debate contractor/producer who is in Iowa setting up the parameters. He’s the scout organizing the Muslim activist to confront Donald Trump. He’s the guy organizing the Mexican immigrant to question/antagonize the intended target, trump. Stirewalt puts the agenda script together – Ms. Kelly, Mr. Wallace and Mr. Baier execute the production."

Since Trump is living this day to day, is watching the opposition, and they were actually dumb enough to telegraph this it was easy to see this wasn't JUST another biased moderator - this was a coordinated hit job and they pulled out all the stops. The smart play - the one with the most upside and minimal downside - was to sidestep it. This was not the same as the CNN debate.

Blogger Nate January 28, 2016 1:13 PM  

"Then again, we may just be talking past each other at this point."

I think that's it. You think that I'm asserting Trump believed he would get his ass kicked again and that's not what I'm saying.

I'm saying Trump believes he got his ass kicked and there is a chance that it could happen again(particularly with additional fox/google/gop deck stacking) so he's come up with a new plan that is much safer and has excellent upside and ancillary benefits.

I think Trump set it up to go like this... "I demand kelly goes. if she goes I win. If she doesn't go.. I threaten to not debate. If they cave I win... if they don't cave... I compete against them and win."

I think he had a trial run with this with CNN and didn't think it was viable... but he learned something from it.. pivoted... and changed things. so this time he was able to follow through on the threat.

He is not a dumb guy dude. He's a very bright guy and he has good instincts.

Anonymous Viidad January 28, 2016 1:15 PM  

Sheesh, bob k mando. WTF. We don't need that Delany-style filth here.

Blogger Nate January 28, 2016 1:24 PM  

" The smart play - the one with the most upside and minimal downside - was to sidestep it. This was not the same as the CNN debate."

You can't blame him for being pissed off at such an obvious setup.

In fact it says something about the others that they aren't pissed off.

Blogger Josh January 28, 2016 1:24 PM  

Only the rich can play penny slots or honeymoon in Atlantic City.

How much income did Trump receive in 2014 from that (according to his FEC financial disclosure)?

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