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Monday, January 18, 2016

Mailvox: leadership is socio-sexual

CD wonders about how socio-sexuality relates to politics:
I read an interesting article recently. It was in Politico, but the basis seems sound)

Putting that together with the various "game" categories you use, it looks to me like there may be a built-in dynamic for people.  When things get really bad, the deltas naturally turn to an alpha who seems to have the right ideas.  It looks like that may have been triggered in the US.

On a slightly different topic, I have been trying to determine the relative percentages of deltas, betas, and alphas.  By gender, since I think the percentages differ.  (I ignore sigmas, since the percentage is so low, and gammas since -- who cares?)  I have some rough numbers from personal experience, but I haven't been able to find any research which sheds light on this.  Are you aware of any?
There is no way that socio-sexuality doesn't affect politics. It affects every aspect of human endeavor, and it is a much more reliable predictive model than nearly any form of psychology I've ever encountered.

But you can't ignore Gammas, in fact, I have constructed a literary theory of socio-sexuality which Delta Man's has applied to the Gammas that explains a considerable amount of how science fiction has devolved over the years.

As for research, considering that I expanded the concept and articulated some of the various socio-sexual ranks, I can say with certainty that absolutely zero academic research on the topic has been done. But there will be, because it actually works, not only to explain, but predict.

I'll be posting it at Alpha Game later this week, but it was remarkable how much Delta Man's Gamma model correctly anticipated Naomi Novik's book Uprooted, which is one of the leading contenders for this year's Hugo Best Novel. Now, Novik is a woman, not a Gamma, but either what applies to Gammas can be applied to women or Novik is following the Gamma lead in her books.

Of course, she's also married to a writer, so... regardless, it is really remarkable how the model can be used to correctly predict not only the behavior, but even the hair color, of the women encountered by the male protagonist.

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Blogger James Dixon January 18, 2016 8:28 AM  

> There is no way that socio-sexuality doesn't affect politics.

Especially since women reliably vote for the male candidate who turns them on the most.

Anonymous Steve January 18, 2016 8:49 AM  

There is no way that socio-sexuality doesn't affect politics.

Amen.

In the UK, until fairly close to last year's general election the pundits were all saying Labour would oust the Conservatives. David Cameron was meant to be doomed.

But the pundits and pollsters got it all wrong. Cameron's party won handily, despite being relatively unpopular with its own base.

Why? Because the British people, in the privacy of the voting booth, were never going to make this guy our Prime Minister.

Ed Miliband is an aspie geek who looks uncomfortable in his own skin. Dave Cameron is an alpha male. It was never really a contest.

Looking at the US presidential contenders, Trump looks like the only alpha male in the running.

Cruz isn't a natural leader - you can tell by watching him do those Simpsons impressions. (Which were charming, by the way. He seems like a personable guy, just not a natural commander of men and ravisher of women.)

Ben Carson is a NiceGuy. His attempt to prove his manliness by claiming to have stabbed someone was funny as hell, but not leadership material.

Rand Paul is a smart, but wonkish, natural number 2. He's good at dialectic but tragically poor at rhetoric. He doesn't look or sound like a boss man. He looks like he's trying too hard.

Rubio is a generic cuckservative pishtalker. He looks like a disgraced maths teacher.

Jeb Bush will go down in history as the sorriest candidate a major political party has ever tried to foist on the American people. Books will be written on this guy - he's the biggest marketing disaster since those diet pills called "Ayds".

He's the American Ed Miliband. Men don't respect him. Women don't fantasise about him. Everything about him is off-putting, from his queasy little smile to his hairy midget-troll of a wife.

Jeb Bush is living proof that we can't escape biology. No amount of campaign money is going to sell him to the US electorate as a President in waiting.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr January 18, 2016 9:01 AM  

With with regard to proportions, I'd estimate the following:
Alpha: 1-3%
Beta: 3-10%
Delta: 50-90%.
Gamma: 5-30%

The proportion of Alpha to Beta is relatively stable, but the Delta to Gamma ratio is not. Every extrovert can be Delta. Alphas and Betas are the officers, Deltas are the line troops, Gammas are the shirkers and cowards. Nobody has to be a shirker or coward.

Introverts are on a different Sigma to Omega scale that I think has not been fully explored yet.

Anonymous Steve January 18, 2016 9:19 AM  

BTW, another problem that non-Alphas face when trying to pass themselves off as Alpha is that we've evolved bullshit detectors for this very purpose. And people - especially women - *hate* men who try to bullshit their way out of their socio-sexual box.

I've seen it many times: in business, in politics, even at school.

Ever seen a natural underling promoted beyond his comfort zone? Or one of the weaker boys at school suddenly trying to act tough?

It rarely works out well. They usually overcompensate, misread social cues, and end up being figuratively torn apart.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan January 18, 2016 9:21 AM  

My WAG a lot of fluidity in between the extremes. Trump is all alpha, most of VD's antagonists are pure Gamma but in between the vast portion of men have their moments.

In politicians I'll offer the examples of Dole and McCain seemingly to some they are Alpha but put a lefty Screamonista in their face and you realize an Alpha façade, typical of their generation. You show me a phony Alpha I'll show you a man whose wife is banging her fitness instructor.

Blogger Gaiseric January 18, 2016 9:23 AM  

On Heartiste they've been talking about the socio- sexual and political connection for some time. There's a lot of good posts on it.

Blogger Ron January 18, 2016 9:50 AM  

How does the socio sexual rank affect Omegas w/ regard to politics?

Blogger S1AL January 18, 2016 9:52 AM  

"Introverts are on a different Sigma to Omega scale that I think has not been fully explored yet."

Half the population? Unless you mean extreme introverts, in which case I generally agree, save that introverted deltas certainly exist. They're just usually the quiet members of a group.

Blogger Josh January 18, 2016 9:56 AM  

How does the socio sexual rank affect Omegas w/ regard to politics?

They're usually the patsies that the fbi recruits for false flag attacks.

Blogger Krul January 18, 2016 10:05 AM  

From the article:
"In fact, I’ve found a single statistically significant variable predicts whether a voter supports Trump—and it’s not race, income or education levels: It’s authoritarianism.
...
my poll asked a set of four simple survey questions that political scientists have employed since 1992 to measure inclination toward authoritarianism. These questions pertain to child-rearing: whether it is more important for the voter to have a child who is respectful or independent; obedient or self-reliant; well-behaved or considerate; and well-mannered or curious. Respondents who pick the first option in each of these questions are strongly authoritarian.

Based on these questions, Trump was the only candidate—Republican or Democrat—whose support among authoritarians was statistically significant."


I wonder about the validity of these things. These questions set up contrived binary options in a situation where the two aren't mutually exclusive ("well-behaved OR considerate"? What?) and the way a person answers is supposed to tell you something about his (or her) level of "authoritarianism".

What is "authoritarianism"? The article doesn't define it, but it does say this:
" While its causes are still debated, the political behavior of authoritarians is not. Authoritarians obey. They rally to and follow strong leaders. And they respond aggressively to outsiders, especially when they feel threatened."

It's obvious that other political groups also "obey", "rally and follow strong leaders" (e.g. Obama), and "respond aggressively to outsiders, especially when they feel threatened" (Who "feels threatened"? Who demands a "safe space"?).

So after a little googling and wiki-ing, it's clear that "authoritarianism" is a poorly defined concept that may as well mean nothing. However, the article is probably talking about a related idea, the "Authoritarian personality" which is a rebranding of the "potentially fascistic individual" idea introduced in the 1950s. Also poorly defined and inconsistently applied.

They focus non-essential characteristics (favoring obedience, strong leadership, and hostility to outsiders), ignore the fact that these characteristics apply to the people in pretty much any directed group, and ignore the actual goals of the group. I very much doubt he's going to apply these criteria to the worshipers of Lenin, Mao, and Che.

Then there's the big assumptions. What makes them so certain that people who answer those particular questions about child rearing in that particular way are more likely to favor political authoritarianism? What with "authoritarianism" being such a foggy red herring of a concept, I don't see that it's possible or meaningful.

OpenID paworldandtimes January 18, 2016 10:14 AM  

The 2-D structure of VD’s hierarchy works out into four unequal quadrants, as I see it:

On the much wider left side you have hierarchical/social men (Alpha, Beta, Delta, Gamma, Lambda)

On the right side you have a much narrower column with non-hierarchical/asocial men (Sigma, Omega).

The Gamma is a wildcard on the left side of the hierarchy, “alpha ambition without the alpha goods” who is more likely to claw his way to success than a lower Delta and become a smarmy prick lawyer whom everyone hates. Or pajama boy.

And then you have the much larger upper row of the hierarchy that includes healthy men (Alpha, Sigma, Beta, Delta), vs the smaller bottom row featuring defective men (Gamma, Omega, Lambda).

PA

Anonymous Frank B Luke January 18, 2016 10:14 AM  

Related: There's a new fad that will make it even easier to spot gammas!

Blogger Cataline Sergius January 18, 2016 10:22 AM  

There is no way that socio-sexuality doesn't affect politics. It affects every aspect of human endeavor, and it is a much more reliable predictive model than nearly any form of psychology I've ever encountered...

As for research, considering that I expanded the concept and articulated some of the various socio-sexual ranks, I can say with certainty that absolutely zero academic research on the topic has been done. But there will be, because it actually works, not only to explain, but predict.


Alphagame gave me an idea this morning for an article on Male Feminists and their Identity as Submissives but I'll wait for your post on this subject. It might give me something to build on.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr January 18, 2016 10:23 AM  

@8 S1AL

IIRC, introverts are only 25-30% of the population. And many of them aren't strongly introverted. I doubt that hard-core introverts make up more than 15% of the total population.

The big point is that I don't think there is a fixed Delta/Gamma ratio. ALL extroverts can be Delta or higher.

Anonymous Anonymous January 18, 2016 10:26 AM  

Alpha, Beta, Gamma. How does the following personality trait fit?

I consider myself something like The Man with No Name (Clint Eastwood's character in the spaghetti westerns). Note: I am NOT claiming to be as cool, or as successful, or as dominant, or as alpha as the real Clint Eastwood, by any stretch of the imagination.

Rather, I'm claiming to be a bit like the character The Man with No Name. Specifically, an outsider, someone who is skeptical of the whole system. This is clearly not an alpha. When I enter a room, I don't attempt to dominate it, and I don't successfully dominate it. However, I also have a real tendency to resist domination by alphas. Maybe I'd characterize it as 'passive independence.' And my, call it, 'aloofness' or 'indifference to the alpha game' is, based on my experience, attractive enough to women.

Someone (you?) posted a thread earlier about what happened when Jack Nickolson, Warren Beatty, Clint, and someother alpha were at the same party. The observation was that Jack got all the attention from women.

This would exactly jibe with my experience. I can do reasonably well with women, if there isn't a true alpha around. If one is around, that alpha gets most of the attention.

So my simple understanding is:
alphas lead
betas follow
gammas/sigmas are hopeless.

Where does my description fit in?

anon Joe

Anonymous johnc January 18, 2016 10:30 AM  

Left to the natural order, one would predict that the alphas would rise to the leadership positions. But when you look at the political landscape in the nation today -- not just in Washington but also the various governors -- as well as in the Church, you see quite a different story. There really are not many true alphas at all, as far as I can see.

Steve brought up the fact that Jeb! so clearly is not presidential material. But isn't it counter-intuitive that he was able to rise to the executive leader of a state like Florida? It gives credence to the idea that these selections are not following the natural order, but instead are hand-picked and shuffled into positions by the establishment, for self-serving reasons no doubt.

It raises some questions about whether or not the Barnhardt Axiom goes deep enough. The natural means of selecting leaders has clearly been tampered with, at least in certain realms such as politics, the Church, etc.

Anonymous Instasetting January 18, 2016 10:38 AM  

Omegas can make excellent leaders. The thing is, they have to practically trip over their shoelaces to get the nod.

No one looks at them and says 'Leader'. But after they are in charge, you've got a man who is not strongly ego-driven except in trying to achieve the goal, and is sincere, and hard-working (since no one gives Omegas breaks from labor). They tend to lack in depth which is another way of saying sincere. When they say something, they mean it.

People find them surprisingly likable as leaders, even if a bit weird.

Blogger Neanderserk January 18, 2016 10:41 AM  

The Scientific Method is Malthusian competition for citations from unreplicated studies censored by tenured geriatric cabals.

Politics is the continuation of sociosexual posturing by other means.

Women gained the right to vote by offering to idolize and sexually service the progressive male political elite instead of their own husbands. Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun, so feminism straddled it. Feminism is the tyranny of the 1%. Incel mass shooters are slave revolts. Sexual Communism redistributes pussy fairly, like 40 acres and a mule: 1 man, 1 wife.

OpenID paworldandtimes January 18, 2016 10:41 AM  

Anon Joe "Where does my description fit in?"

I wrote a post on my site a few days ago, titled "Assessing Your Place on the Hierarchy."

PA

Blogger VD January 18, 2016 10:43 AM  

I'm claiming to be a bit like the character The Man with No Name. Specifically, an outsider, someone who is skeptical of the whole system. This is clearly not an alpha. When I enter a room, I don't attempt to dominate it, and I don't successfully dominate it. However, I also have a real tendency to resist domination by alphas. Maybe I'd characterize it as 'passive independence.' And my, call it, 'aloofness' or 'indifference to the alpha game' is, based on my experience, attractive enough to women.

It depends. I would have said Gamma were it not for the success with women. What kind of women, model/cheerleader/cute/normal/plain?

Anonymous Instasetting January 18, 2016 10:45 AM  

Anon Joe,
High Omega. Some of what you describe sounds like moi.

OpenID paworldandtimes January 18, 2016 10:45 AM  

So my simple understanding is:
alphas lead
betas follow
gammas/sigmas are hopeless.


My archetypes for each:

Alpha = the King
Sigma = the Rebel
Beta = the Nobleman
Delta = the Citizen
Gamma = the Thief
Omega = the Hobo
Lambda = the Madman

PA

Blogger RC January 18, 2016 11:04 AM  

I very much look forward to reading the upcoming post and the predictive aspects are what's most intriguing to me. A correct understanding of socio-sexual dynamics would be broadly applicable in many areas. Any sufficiently intelligent leader would benefit but there are niche markets that could be well and properly and very profitably served. One example: jury selection. The theory could be used during selection and, based upon who was seated, govern how the arguments and evidence were presented, how much to depend on facts and how much on emotion. This particular application could also serve as a laboratory of sorts.

Anonymous BigGayKoranBurner January 18, 2016 11:07 AM  

I was surprised at how many INTJ personalities there are in the prepper community

zero academic research on the topic has been done. But there will be, because it actually works, not only to explain, but predict

Yea they will get right on that after they find out how I can predict the race of criminal whose pictures don't get shown.

Dave Cameron is an alpha male I thought douchebag cucks couldn't be alpha? I guess he would be alpha if he meant to destroy civilization.

Blogger RC January 18, 2016 11:08 AM  

"Omegas can make excellent leaders. The thing is, they have to practically trip over their shoelaces to get the nod."

Omegas might make for competent managers within systems. Alphas create systems.

Blogger S1AL January 18, 2016 11:09 AM  

"I was surprised at how many INTJ personalities there are in the prepper community"

You're surprised that analytical loners with a high tolerance for learning and a capacity for developing new systems are preppers? Really?

Blogger Josh January 18, 2016 11:09 AM  

Omegas can make excellent leaders. The thing is, they have to practically trip over their shoelaces to get the nod.

No one looks at them and says 'Leader'. But after they are in charge, you've got a man who is not strongly ego-driven except in trying to achieve the goal, and is sincere, and hard-working (since no one gives Omegas breaks from labor). They tend to lack in depth which is another way of saying sincere. When they say something, they mean it.

People find them surprisingly likable as leaders, even if a bit weird.


Not at all. What's most likely to happen if an omega is in charge is catastrophe up to and including mass murder.

Anonymous Cassie January 18, 2016 11:33 AM  

@10 "These questions pertain to child-rearing: whether it is more important for the voter to have a child who is respectful or independent; obedient or self-reliant; well-behaved or considerate; and well-mannered or curious."

Wow. That's a very clear illustration that there were zero conservatives or even vaguely right-wing people anywhere in the survey production process, since only the stunted virtue set of liberals could have produced such a nonsensical set of questions. A conservative takes one look at that list and says, "I want my children to possess all of those traits, and moreover I want them to have the wisdom to know which ones are proper to display in the differing circumstances of life."

As for introverts, I don't think a separate scale is necessary. Unlikely to be alpha, but I'm sure you can find them represented in all the other ranks.

Uh, BGKB, did you not know any INTJs before meeting them in the prepper community? Leaving the rest of overly emotional idiot humanity behind so as not to have to deal with their BS anymore is probably the dream of every INTJ on the planet, lol.

Anonymous dissident american January 18, 2016 11:34 AM  

@Josh

"They're usually the patsies that the fbi recruits for false flag attacks."

Few people ever notice Omegas unless they act out. The spree-killers are picked precisely because most people couldn't name a thing about them other than "loner" "quiet", "didn't talk much".

Speaking of introverts/extroverts, can the socio-sexual hierarchy be applied to MBTI? As in, does one MBTI possess more, say, betas than another?

Blogger Nate January 18, 2016 11:45 AM  

"Omegas might make for competent managers within systems. Alphas create systems."

No.

They don't. They wouldn't.


Look people...one of the primary benefits of bootcamp is to turn Omegas into deltas. Because as Omegas they are useless.

Blogger YIH January 18, 2016 11:52 AM  

@12. Frank B Luke:
Oh. Dear. God.

Anonymous DNW January 18, 2016 11:59 AM  

Looking at the article which was linked, I saw what looked to be a comment which was more interesting for the writer's framing assumptions and the psychology it revealed than anything else.

He cautions that the Trump phenomenon should not be ignored, in part because, " It is time ... [to] ... stop dismissing his supporters as a small band of the dispossessed."

Reflect for a moment upon what that remark (regardless of the size of the cohort) concedes : that a segment of the population have effectively been on the receiving end of a largely extra-constitutional process of political and economic novel disseisin.

This author's attitude seems to, tacitly at least, share the leftist presumption that there is an obligatory meta-game context which has independent moral claims upon the individual which transcend positive law or even traditional moral prescriptions.

It's seen as a kind of directed evolution game, rigged toward ever-increasing human "solidarity" and "altruism"; a process which justifies the left's legally and socially subversive moves. It is seen as a game which participants who've been maneuvered out of their patrimony are bound to respect nonetheless; even after the law-breakers and contract breakers have broken faith with them.

"You have been colonized and cheated, sure, but that is the human condition ... what did you expect?"

Whatever else these particular authoritarians are, they are apparently people who are reacting bitterly toward those who jigger and manipulate the overt rules. They are reacting against those who act as if playing by the explicit rules is a kind of sucker's bet, one which the suckers are expected to personally place, while good-naturedly shrugging off the sharp practices of the progressives.

But it is no use a progressive complaining that the Trump supporters in their authoritarianism see the progressive and its clients as socially and morally other; since on their own progressive terms, they actually are.

They are just pissed that those stolid rule-respecting rubes have begun acting upset at being cheated.



Blogger YIH January 18, 2016 12:08 PM  

@16. johnc:
It's your basic 'can't beat something with nothing'.
In '98 yeb! was up against Lawton Chiles' Lt. Gov. Buddy McKay. As is typical for that position McKay was 'Mr. Invisible'. Though popular, Chiles was term-limited out so naturally McKay became the de facto nominee for his replacement.
The reaction of voters and most of FL media was 'who?' vs. yeb! who at least had name recognition from his father - plus a healthy war chest for TV ads.
That's why he was seen as inevitable 6 months ago...
Then came Trump.

Anonymous DNW January 18, 2016 12:09 PM  

In line with this dispossesion observation made by the Politico writer, I recall a front page article that caught my eye as I was grabbing an old NYT for offal wrap.

Friday, December 12, 2014, New York Times front page article.

"The Vanishing Male Worker, Waiting It Out"

"The share of prime age men - those 25 to 54 years old -who are not working has more than tripled since the late 1960s, to 16 percent."

And the unadjusted U3 in December of 2014 was supposedly 5.4%.

Why should these men care, if "the house burns down"?

Blogger S1AL January 18, 2016 12:13 PM  

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Blogger Cataline Sergius January 18, 2016 12:21 PM  

Look people...one of the primary benefits of bootcamp is to turn Omegas into deltas. Because as Omegas they are useless.

Speaking as someone who was in the hell of Marine Corps Recruiting Command, I can assure you Omegas comprise one percent (if that) of the Recruit pool. Most are unqualified for enlistment. Usually due to weight.

OpenID paworldandtimes January 18, 2016 12:32 PM  

There was one Omega in my Army basic training platoon. He exhibited mentally ill behavior but obviously not enough to have been barred from enlistment.

He was best described as below-average in intelligence (he was White) wierd, and hostile to everyone. During marches, he'd glare at whoever was next to him and mutter about killing him over an overblown slight. At night he'd get repeatedly caught masturbating into the sink, even with someone else in the latrine.

Drill sergeants paid close attention to him at the rifle range. He did not graduate with us.

PA

Anonymous Steve January 18, 2016 12:37 PM  

Then came Trump

Along Came Trump, starring:

Alec Baldwin as DONALD J TRUMP
John Belushi as TED CRUZ
Denzel Washington as DR. BEN "STABBER" CARSON
Greg Kinnear as RAND PAUL
Will Ferrell as JEB BUSH
Warwick Davis as MRS. JEB BUSH

Blogger Cataline Sergius January 18, 2016 12:39 PM  

@37

I didn't say that number was ZERO.

There is always, always, ALWAYs one of those guys in every boot platoon. I am quite certain that are carefully allocated in accordance with both the Volume III and the TPFDD.

Anonymous Steve January 18, 2016 12:39 PM  

At night he'd get repeatedly caught masturbating into the sink, even with someone else in the latrine.

Drill sergeants paid close attention to him at the rifle range. He did not graduate with us


Vincent D'Onofrio as THAT GUY

Anonymous cincinnatus January 18, 2016 1:25 PM  

@2 Steve:

Covered a couple weeks ago. Looks like your observations are pretty much the same as the ones there, at least as far as U.S. politicians go.

Cameron is no Alpha. His wife is horse-faced, and is IMO uglier than Milliband's. If I had to guess, Cameron is a Beta or high Delta with bad taste in women (hey, he's British after all) and Milliband is a provider-Gamma who got lucky, sort of like Anthony Weiner.

OpenID Jack Amok January 18, 2016 1:37 PM  

Krul:

I wonder about the validity of these things. These questions set up contrived binary options... supposed to tell you something about his (or her) level of "authoritarianism".

Yeah, that poll is bullshit. It's a push-poll designed to make "authoritarians" the bad-guys: ogres who crush their children's independence and make them into oppressed conformists.

I mean, how do you suppose these "anti-authoritarians" would react to a "curious, self-reliant" child who concluded his gay teacher was creepy and unsafe to be around? Or if he decided fat girls were ugly and said so out loud? I suspect they'd be pretty damned unhappy with his lack of obedience.

Blogger SciVo January 18, 2016 1:44 PM  

I'm pretty sure introverts can be gammas and deltas. In fact, I would say that gamma is a likely place for an excitable introvert to end up.

Blogger stevo January 18, 2016 2:14 PM  

Sounds like Obama trying to be president

OpenID sigbouncer January 18, 2016 2:17 PM  

"As for research, considering that I expanded the concept and articulated some of the various socio-sexual ranks, I can say with certainty that absolutely zero academic research on the topic has been done. But there will be, because it actually works, not only to explain, but predict.

I'll be posting it at Alpha Game later this week"


Looking forward to this one. Hoping you will go a bit further and assign each of the POTUS candidates their socio-sexual rank. I think somebody did a write in on the Republican candidates ss ranks a few weeks back over there. But it would be nice to read an opine from the man on the subject of where the candidates rank.

Anonymous Samson January 18, 2016 2:18 PM  

Speaking of introverts/extroverts, can the socio-sexual hierarchy be applied to MBTI? As in, does one MBTI possess more, say, betas than another?

I believe so. I've thought about this before, and initially it didn't seem "fair", but that's life.

I'm reluctant to argue much beyond the E/I axis (which is the most concrete and objective axis in the MBTI) but as an introvert I certainly agree that it's difficult for any introvert types to be alpha.

I might suggest that 'P' types are more likely to be alpha than 'J' types too.

Blogger Student in Blue January 18, 2016 2:34 PM  

I might suggest that 'P' types are more likely to be alpha than 'J' types too.

I would have thought it's the opposite, since P is focused on connections and possibilities and can get caught up waffling about decisions, while J is focused on what is. There's a lot more confidence wrapped up in decisively saying "This is what it is" even if they're wrong.

Anonymous A1 January 18, 2016 3:18 PM  

"There is no way that socio-sexuality doesn't affect politics."


I have followed with interest how this conservative, beautiful woman follows Donald Trump. It is a living case study in how a high-value woman engages with the Trump's male persona and stature.

When reading about some of the relationship between socio-sexuality, politics and an Alpha male on this blog, I go back to this page to see if that's how it's playing out with her responses to Donald Trump.

Nothing moves her off of her commitment to Trump. Her yearning for a strong man to take charge is evident throughout her timeline.


High value female Trump fan

Anonymous Baseball Savant January 18, 2016 3:56 PM  

I can't believe how people fuck all this up.

Blogger Josh January 18, 2016 4:29 PM  

I can't believe how people fuck all this up.

Aspies gonna aspie

Blogger Aeoli Pera January 18, 2016 6:06 PM  

@17 instasetting,

Omegas can make excellent leaders. The thing is, they have to practically trip over their shoelaces to get the nod.

Lol.

Blogger Aeoli Pera January 18, 2016 6:09 PM  

@27 Josh,

Not at all. What's most likely to happen if an omega is in charge is catastrophe up to and including mass murder.

Precisely. Intentional or not, it's going to work out the same way.

Vote Aeoli Pera for president. My platform is that my first action in office will be to push the nuclear button.

Anonymous Steve January 18, 2016 6:12 PM  

My platform is that my first action in office will be to push the nuclear button.

Mountains of skulls or GTFO.

Blogger Aeoli Pera January 18, 2016 6:14 PM  

@30 Nate,

Look people...one of the primary benefits of bootcamp is to turn Omegas into deltas.

That's one of the worst ideas I've ever heard. Maybe you're mixing up the categories. Gamma to Delta, sure.

Because as Omegas they are useless.

Not necessarily true, because many great thinkers of Western civilization fall into that category. But usually true.

Bring back the monasteries.

Blogger Aeoli Pera January 18, 2016 6:15 PM  

@52 Steve,

Mountains of skulls or GTFO.

There's no point in killing people below the replacement rate. Why inconvenience myself?

Anonymous VFM #6306 January 18, 2016 7:01 PM  

Sci Fi was a selective breeding program that separated the Futurians from the Adventure fans in the 1950s. The Futurians were gamma heavy even then. Even, their Big 3 were a lambda, a "slapped a lot" dirty old man and a wife worshipping Alpha who appears to have abandoned his work to her in later years.

The adventurists were quickly relegated to "Men's fiction" and sf spoils were swamped by the liberated gamma.

Blogger Rusty Fife January 18, 2016 7:12 PM  

The original research on Game already identified the requisite traits; i.e. The Dark Triad.

It also identified the percentages; 20% of the guys get the poon. Therefore 20% Alpha & Beta. That split is also likely 80%/20%.

Boot camp is how they stress your amglyda to use AC's postulates. It is likely it raises everyone at least a partial social sexual rank.

Blogger weka January 18, 2016 7:52 PM  

Introverts are on a different Sigma to Omega scale that I think has not been fully explored yet.

No.

It has been explored, but you need to read Eysenck. Introversion and Extraversion are robust, as is psychopathy, in personality research. What game does is divide something like this -- disclosure: I define INTJ in part because I know that Meyers-Briggs can be gamed and is too unreliable for psychometric research.

Consider this.

Grade Archetype No Partners. No wives.

Alpha. Ringo 10 -- 1000 1 -- 5, and they all like each other.
Beta. John Wright 5 -- 10 1 -- 2 (best patriarchs and husbands)
Gammas Stross 1/2 -- 3 1/2 -- 1. Cuckolded or frivorced.
Omegas GRRM fantasy only 0

Introverts can be anywhere on that list. Anywhere. I'd lay money that VD scores fairly highly on any introversion scale, but he would have the potential to be higher. (I should add that VD married Spacebunny, who rocks, and John has a fair amount of alpha because L. Jagi rocks as well).

So can extroverts. Kratman, for instance, is an alpha extrovert (again, his wife is ultracompetent).

Now the Sigma is the Loki, the trickster, who often has multiple relationships. In Facebook terms "It's complicated". The SF archetype is Williamson.

If you are an introvert, you have to be able to fake extraversion. Most of the functional introverts can. This may delay their success. Consider, for a second, Roosh. He is clearly now Sigma but wants to be Alpha -- (Alphas need to give fealty to receive it) but he started as an introverted smart-as-a-whip biology PhD. It often takes until your mid 20s or early 30s for the introverts to get the social skills to get to their place in the heirarchy.

High school may give us archetypes, but the Lord, the Knight, the Cleric, the peasant and the outlaw are better for Alpha, Beta, Gamma, Delta and Omega.

Gays (lambdas) are not part of this: Like women, they are judges of where we stand in the spectrum. We display, they choose.

Anonymous instasetting January 18, 2016 9:10 PM  

The idea of a group sticks Omega in the Army which is about hammering squares into circles is horrifying. However if the sarge got drunk and put one in charge....might do quite well indeed.

Omegas are anti-political. Aimed at explicit goals.

Blogger Aeoli Pera January 18, 2016 9:10 PM  

Boot camp is how they stress your amglyda to use AC's postulates. It is likely it raises everyone at least a partial social sexual rank.

Seriously, I did boot camp, I can assure you it had the opposite effect, and I'm now on the high upper end of functional Omegas.

So let's figure the low end is the schizophrenic white beardo who's sleeping in a dumpster this very moment (trash can be insulating and comfortable!). Putting that guy in boot camp is not a good idea, and graduating him is a much worse idea. Are we figuring there's some wonderful sweet spot between me and trashguy where it's a good idea to yell at that person for nine weeks, then give that person an MOS and a weapon, and send them to Iraq?

Blogger Aeoli Pera January 18, 2016 9:11 PM  

The idea of a group sticks Omega in the Army which is about hammering squares into circles is horrifying. However if the sarge got drunk and put one in charge....might do quite well indeed.

Oh for fuck's sake...yeah, maybe he would for about four weeks before having a nervous breakdown spiral into a psychotic episode.

Anonymous instasetting January 19, 2016 12:43 AM  

More likely, he would be protected by his people as a good if odd boss....if high omega. He would hold the position until an alpha wanted it, and he would not fight for it.

Your average alps would have a mental breakdown if he had to live an omegas life. For an omega, it's Tuesday.

Anonymous cincinnatus January 19, 2016 1:12 AM  

@57 weka


Alpha. Ringo 10 -- 1000 1 -- 5, and they all like each other.
Beta. John Wright 5 -- 10 1 -- 2 (best patriarchs and husbands)
Gammas Stross 1/2 -- 3 1/2 -- 1. Cuckolded or frivorced.
Omegas GRRM fantasy only 0


No argument there. After reading Somewhither, John C. Wright came across as a Beta, as his protagonist started out an immature Delta and matured into a Beta, or maybe even low Alpha, by the end.

Introverts can be anywhere on that list.

Yeah, I can picture an introverted Alpha as being the laconic type who issues blunt commands with a distinct economy of words, and whose followers hang on his every word and jump to.

Then there are extroverted Gammas or Omegas who run off at the mouth about crap nobody wants to hear about.

Consider, for a second, Roosh. He is clearly now Sigma but wants to be Alpha

Actually, after reading his columns and a few of his Bang books, Roosh strikes me more as a Beta who started out life as a Gamma.

By contrast, Roissy / Heartiste definitely comes across as Sigma, maybe even more than our host here.

Blogger Groot January 19, 2016 1:18 AM  

@15. Anonymous:
"Where does my description fit in?"

You're not an alpha. I would steal your girlfriend if I felt like it.

@16. johnc:
"It raises some questions about whether or not the Barnhardt Axiom goes deep enough."

If you could be anyone or do anyone you wanted, what are the chances that Gov. of Fla would be the answer?

@18. Neanderserk:

#1 commenter: Stevil (Hi, Stevil!)
#2 commenter: Neanderserk

Blogger weka January 19, 2016 3:06 AM  

@62. I think it would be better to say that VD is a sigma mask for Mr Beale, who is Alpha. My evidence is that he has Spacebunny as a wife. Some Alphas are righteous.

This throws the Heartiste group into a spin. I have no doubt that his band had groupies etc, but VD kept frame and ignored them.

On Roosh... he's seeking righteousness, and would prefer to prob. be where John Wright is. But his lifestyle has ruined his chances of being a patriarch. Which I think he knows.

Blogger VD January 19, 2016 4:37 AM  

More likely, he would be protected by his people as a good if odd boss....if high omega.

Omegas do not become bosses or leaders. You don't seem to understand how this "hierarchy" thing works. Omegas are regarded with contempt by pretty much everyone, male and female.

Blogger VD January 19, 2016 4:39 AM  

Beta. John Wright 5 -- 10 1 -- 2 (best patriarchs and husbands)

John is not Beta. Have you ever even READ his books? Tom is a good example of a Beta.

Anonymous Instasetting January 19, 2016 9:56 AM  

The hierarchy is not everything.

Note that I didn't start putting this in the Army, that was Nate's idea. Also, note that I required dumb luck to get the Omega in the leadership role.

Consider tho' two candidates: One a high Omega, low energy, hard working, honest to a fault, fairly decisive. The other a low Beta who is indecisive, overpromises, wishy-washy, and overly political.

Which is going to do the job of managing a small group better? The Beta will clearly get the nod, but will a low functioning Beta with a fair number of issues really do a better job?

Blogger Ezekiel January 19, 2016 10:25 AM  

I am in all likelihood an Omega (asexual, formerly homeless, minimum-wage job) and I would say that not only do we make terrible leaders, we don't recognize leadership in others.

I have to force myself to watch the presidental debates, and can never see why Trump is "winning" them until it's pointed out to me by others (Scott Adams, usually). Even when I agree with him, my general impression with his rhetoric is "What are people seeing in this guy?"

I would probably still be backing Rand Paul if I didn't know that Trump is the only one who won't get thoroughly pussy-whipped by the Ice Queen. Probably one of very few who could handle the Merchant too.

Blogger Aeoli Pera January 19, 2016 10:40 AM  

@67 Instasetting,

Note that I didn't start putting this in the Army, that was Nate's idea.

And when I said it was a stupid idea, I was responding to him.

Consider tho' two candidates: One a high Omega, low energy, hard working, honest to a fault, fairly decisive. The other a low Beta who is indecisive, overpromises, wishy-washy, and overly political.

Which is going to do the job of managing a small group better? The Beta will clearly get the nod, but will a low functioning Beta with a fair number of issues really do a better job?


You need to actually read this or you're going to keep fucking it up.

@68 Ezekiel,

Probably an Omega, yes.

Blogger Ezekiel January 19, 2016 11:16 AM  

@67 "Which is going to do the job of managing a small group better? The Beta will clearly get the nod, but will a low functioning Beta with a fair number of issues really do a better job?"

Probably. Your Omega will probably not enjoy interacting with his subordinates even if he is somehow good at it. And they'll never fully trust him even if he is materially good at his job. Let the Beta deal with the meatbags and leave the Omega in IT.

The one exception I can think of is lower education. Just as Gamas seem to do fairly well in academia, many male grade-school teachers who ain't Lambdas seem to be Omegas. And I've done fairly well teaching Sunday School and VBS classes. So if your "small group" consists of reasonably well-behaved children and your High Omega can avoid creeping out their parents then maybe he would be a good fit for that.

Anonymous Ezekiel Cassandros January 19, 2016 4:03 PM  

Back when I was a Gamma that thought I was a subdued Beta, I actually appreciated that my boss at the time gently and carefully scolded me when it was necessary.

Since I've had my accelerated awakening, I've come to the conclusion that if a sharp rebuke distracts you because your feelings get involved, it's your own darn fault for not developing the emotional security and self-control that is necessary to actually be competent at anything actually important.

So, now, I really appreciate that my new boss, an Alpha, doesn't mince words. He just... straightforwardly says what he means. Refreshing. It means I know, straight up, what's expected of me and how important it is, because I don't have to waste time thinking, did he say "Would you please, if you feel like it, when you have the time" because he's being polite and doesn't want to seem pushy out of regard for my feelings? Or is it because it's just less important than everything else on my plate?

But, of course, leadership like that requires that everybody on all levels learns to control their emotions so that they send and receive messages accurately, because emotions are colossal idiots with no sense of scale or perspective. Since trusting that their emotions accurately reflect reality is one thing that makes Gammas Gammas, they will be a drag as leaders or followers.

Blogger SolarBob January 19, 2016 5:32 PM  

In the Greek alphabet I learned it goes alpha, beta, gamma. delta,...

Blogger weka January 19, 2016 8:22 PM  

John is not Beta. Have you ever even READ his books? Tom is a good example of a Beta.

I like John's essays more than Tom's and Tom's novels more than John's. I accept John is a better prose stylist.

John lacks that large streak of asshole that an Alpha has. He's direct, gentle, strong, and a patriarch. He also ahs a strong moral sense. I'd say Beta/low alpha. Not gamma. That is reserved for the foot soldiers, and definately not Omega: John is more than functional.

I would accept introvert righteous Alpha: a rare beast that is.

Anonymous Ezekiel Cassandros January 19, 2016 8:51 PM  

@74
Gammas are not the foot soldiers. Deltas are the foot soldiers.

Gammas could have made it through boot camp if they'd been given a fair chance, but the sergeant obviously had a grudge and singled them out for harsher treatment, and they got a cold, and everybody else was these super macho assholes who were just so draining to be around which created a toxic environment that made it just too hard to focus, and anyway they didn't want to be a foot soldier THAT bad, if they wanted to they could have made it, but they're perfectly happy where they are now, would you like fries with that?

Blogger Halifax Donair January 19, 2016 9:29 PM  

@2 he's the biggest marketing disaster since those diet pills called "Ayds".

I see a vision of the future, where guac bowls are dumped and buried in the desert like bad Atari video games.

Blogger Halifax Donair January 19, 2016 9:39 PM  

@10 I stopped reading at UMASS Amherst.

I drive on the right side of the road and generally obey non-revenue based infractions like stop signs and traffic lights. Under his definition I'd be one. I like Trump because he's pointing to the naked emporer, and knows how to deal with merchants.

Blogger weka January 20, 2016 4:37 AM  

Chris Muir got it right today.

http://www.daybydaycartoon.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/0120161.jpg

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