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Wednesday, January 20, 2016

Mailvox: WTF Vox?

There is literally nothing is more important to the average Baby Boomer than the idea that his generation is the coolest, wonderfulest, and most envied by other, lesser generations. This exchange with TS not only made me laugh, it serves rather nicely to demonstrate everything GenX has observed about the Boomers:
WTF Vox? What's with all the Boomer bashing? Have you hit a wall or something? Bashing us isn't going to remove the logjam in your crusade or your intestines.

Can you afford to alienate any percentage of your supporters? I've been a SF fan since long before you were born. The Hippies' main tactic was to bash the greatest generation America ever produced so you are in excellent company.  ::roll eyes::

Also, if you're going to bash boomers and actually be effective, you may want a spokesman who is NOT referred to in Wiki as:  "the Godfather of hipsterdom"[5] and one of the "primary architects of hipsterdom".[6]" Most Boomers think Hipsters are people with no little to no purpose.
My response: Obviously you haven't been on VP very long. Do a search for "Boomer" on VP. You'll see that I have always had contempt for that generation, taken as a whole. They are the locust generation.

TS replied with all the wisdom and restraint that has caused so many GenXers to develop such deep respect for the Baby Boomers:
Sayonara motherfucker.
Adieu, sweet prince. I shall comfort myself with the knowledge that we will not only bury the Baby Boomers, we will write their history. What I find so amusing about this is that insufficient respect for his generation is, in TS's Boomer eyes, a legitimate reason to write off someone he claims to have supported.

And yes, I can afford to alienate 100 percent of such "supporters". That's not exactly the sort of fortitude upon which one ideally wants to rely.

But wait, there's more!
No wait, I thought of a better comeback! Hating boomers makes you an SJW too.
 And to think they thought they were cool. (shakes head)

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Anonymous Crusader Corim January 20, 2016 1:37 PM  

My wife is a Millennial with two Boomer parents. I am a Gen Xer with a Silent Generation parent and a Boomer parent. The difference between my Silent father and my Boomer mother is enormous in terms of their focus on making sure the future is secured for my children and the difference between my parents and my wife's parents is scary.

My wife's mother got into an argument with my wife about the fact that she should spend the rest of her life seeking "fun" and spend all her money on it because "her last check should bounce".

The Boomers may have been the worst thing that's ever happened to this country, and I include the War between the States.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 January 20, 2016 1:41 PM  

My parents are Boomers, but fortunately they aren't like that. Of course, my parents both grew up in rural areas of Florida. My aunt's friend thinks like the kind of Boomer you describe though.

Anonymous Quartermaster January 20, 2016 1:49 PM  

There are tremendous differences among boomers. Those of us who served in the Military are a good example.

I have more in common with the men who served in WW2, Korea than I do with my High School classmates, the majority of which never came under military discipline. My son, who served in the Army in Iraq, has seen the same thing and he was born in '78.

As pointed out in earlier threads, even those born late among the boomers have much different attitudes.

Holding an entire generation in contempt, even if you hedge it with weasel words like "as a whole," is not a wise thing. You need allies where you can find them, and writing off potential allies simply because of accident of birth does you no credit.

Blogger Jeff Hendricks January 20, 2016 1:49 PM  

@1 I, too, am a GenX'er and have one Silent Generation and one Boomer parent.

Every word of it is true. My Boomer mother has driven my father to the brink of depression and suicide from her sheer stupidity. She's both overly controlling and extremely irresponsible. Dysfunctional doesn't even begin to describe it. All of her siblings are exactly the same way, too.

Blogger Guitar Man January 20, 2016 1:50 PM  

YES! ANOTHER BOOMER BASH THREAD!!

Blogger dc.sunsets January 20, 2016 1:50 PM  

Boomers have had a lot more time to become accustomed to a life style to which they're not entitled.

If people vilify boomers, fine. There will be plenty of entertainment then, when all those early retirees swatting balls on the links see their world crash around them.

The Lena Dunham generation will be fun to watch, too.

Blogger Big Bob January 20, 2016 1:52 PM  

I am at the tail end of the Boomer generation, but fortunately for me, both of my parents were heavily influenced by the great depression so I was taught to always prepare for lean times. Even so, looking back on my life so far I realize just how much I was influenced by the "Get it now, pay for it later" culture in which I grew up. I'm hoping my kids will be even less reliant on debt than I was to get what they want, but I probably shouldn't hold my breath.

Anonymous Xer January 20, 2016 1:54 PM  

"The Boomers may have been the worst thing that's ever happened to this country, and I include the War between the States."

And they're apparently not done yet either. Exhibit A Hitlery.

Blogger Fatherless January 20, 2016 1:56 PM  

My boomer dad ditched his responsibilities to be a wannabe Indian. I can do without further boomer wisdom.

Blogger VD January 20, 2016 1:56 PM  

Holding an entire generation in contempt, even if you hedge it with weasel words like "as a whole," is not a wise thing. You need allies where you can find them, and writing off potential allies simply because of accident of birth does you no credit.

If you didn't identify so completely with your generation, you wouldn't consider yourself written off. I don't write off any individual. I'm entirely open to being surprised. But as with Communists, art students, and homosexuals, I have a pretty good idea of what the average Boomer is going to think, say, and do based on my experience.

Blogger praetorian January 20, 2016 1:56 PM  

Not appealing to a dying generation that, on the whole, can barely find its way off facebook, if it ever made it off AOL?

How could you, vox?

Blogger Verne January 20, 2016 1:57 PM  

Let this aging Boomer jump in. I'm from the tail end of the baby boom gen myself. As my friends and I grew up, we found ourselves repeatably saying. "Those hippies are assholes" and "they really screwed it up for us". So yes we saw that we were self centered assholes long ago. It pisses me and most late boomers off, that we are part of that generation. But we did not stop it so we bear responsibility. The truth is we enjoyed the drugs and easy sex ourselves. We were part of the problem. Even though our houses were not as cheaply bought. And we also first hit the job market during a bad economic time. As to Millennials. They are our children, what few children we had, so the fact that they are a mess falls on us. You guys, the "baby bust" also called gen x. I saw what you saw and cant argue with you, I wish I could.

Blogger praetorian January 20, 2016 1:58 PM  

Next thing you know, Vox is going to be offending Republicans, and this right as we enter THE MOST IMPORTANT ELECTION EVER, EVER.

Anonymous Faceless January 20, 2016 1:58 PM  

Perhaps detente would be just calling them "The First American Generation To Leave Their Children Worse Off"?

Blogger Nick S January 20, 2016 1:58 PM  

It took a while to catch on, but these boomer threads serve a good purpose...wheat/chaff.

Blogger exfarmkid January 20, 2016 1:58 PM  

Crap, that's a lot of comments on that Gavin McInnes post. I think I'll pass.

It shouldn't be too difficult to grasp that Gavin is describing the generalized impact of the "boomer" generation, but there will always be those who are poorly described by the generalization.

And why am I posting a self-evident concept?

Blogger Verne January 20, 2016 2:00 PM  

But about you burying me. You are not that damn much younger than I am. My grandparents lived to 98 and 99. My father died in a motorcycle wreak and my mother still snow skis. So I promise I will not dance on your grave. It will be a toast to a good man gone.

Anonymous TS January 20, 2016 2:01 PM  

At least you didn't publish my identity.
Why would I take repeated bashings just to help you?
That's not fortitude, that's just common sense.

Blogger Student in Blue January 20, 2016 2:01 PM  

And why am I posting a self-evident concept?

Because apparently some people need the self-evident pointed out.

Blogger Chrom January 20, 2016 2:03 PM  

Get in the hole, you bastards.

Blogger JaimeInTexas January 20, 2016 2:03 PM  

Born in 1960. I am, well, me.

What part of "taken as a whole" did he not understand. Even without that modifier, a stereotype is understood to have exceptions.

But, if the shoe fits ...

Blogger Student in Blue January 20, 2016 2:04 PM  

@TS
Why would I take repeated bashings just to help you?
That's not fortitude, that's just common sense.


Why are you so focused on your emotions? Why are you so focused on how you are feeling, rather than what is true or false?

Blogger Dexter January 20, 2016 2:04 PM  

Social justice indeed requires the excoriation, if not the total extermination, of that entire loathsome generation.

Blogger praetorian January 20, 2016 2:07 PM  

Here, boomers, let me show you something: we irish were detrimental to american liberty and ended up creating political machines that gave the major north eastern cities away to centralizers and, eventually, turned them into what we see today. We jews were the intellectual source of much of the rot we see in the west, and a lot of it was intentional, animated by anti-christian spite and the worship of false idols.

If a potato-nigger mischling can admit the flaws of his genetic heritage, you, too, can admit the flaws of your generation. After all, that shit isn't part of your blood, as it is with me, and you are likely not responsible for much of it. It requires only honest introspection and reflection.

Anonymous BigGayKoranBurner January 20, 2016 2:08 PM  

she should spend the rest of her life seeking "fun" and spend all her money on it because "her last check should bounce".

I wish boomers only planned on their last check bouncing instead of writing checks on other peoples grandchildren's names. It's because of them Puerto Ricans can collect social security for NO SPEAK ENGLISH in Puerto Rico but there are homeless white vets that cant get benefits.

Blogger Tank January 20, 2016 2:09 PM  

There is literally nothing is more important to the average Baby Boomer than the idea that his generation is the coolest, wonderfulest, and most envied by other, lesser generations.

Projection. Crappy writing too DudeBro.

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And where TF is Nate today? Get in here bitch so I can kick your ass and make you pay for my SS and Medicare.

Blogger Student in Blue January 20, 2016 2:09 PM  

Boomers are responsible for Political Correctness, which is focused on avoiding feelbad and ending racism by... using different words.

Anonymous TS January 20, 2016 2:09 PM  

Blue:
I came here for Truth.
But I found less than I sought.

Anonymous Headcannon January 20, 2016 2:10 PM  

@24 You expect too much from gray-haired children.

Blogger Curtis January 20, 2016 2:10 PM  

8.

Feel the Bern.

http://tinyurl.com/hvhkjpk

Of course, I would be remiss if I left this out:

http://tinyurl.com/pc7gnvv

Blogger Josh January 20, 2016 2:11 PM  

potato-nigger mischling

That is beautiful

Blogger Nick S January 20, 2016 2:12 PM  

Get in the hole, you bastards.

Oh, we will. As with every generation, you will have your turn in the barrel soon enough and some of us, watching from above, will smile knowingly.

Blogger dh January 20, 2016 2:13 PM  

And where TF is Nate today? Get in here bitch so I can kick your ass and make you pay for my SS and Medicare.
Congrats, you paid for your own substandard retirement and health care, at an extremely inefficient rate of return, that may not even make as long as you live.

I'm not worried. Boomers tend to trail off when their progeny figure out you can just pull the plug and have a nice memorial service as soon as times get tough.

Blogger Technomad January 20, 2016 2:13 PM  

Which Boomers are you talking about? My own cohort are, theoretically, Boomers (born 1961) but, culturally and otherwise, we're far closer to X-ers.

Anonymous TS January 20, 2016 2:17 PM  

(34)
Exactly!
I'm born in 1962 so I was a ripe old 8 when the 60's ended and 13 when 'Nam ended.

Truth is I hate Boomers as much as Vox does but look at me on the front page of his blog just for standing up to him. :)

Anonymous Tom January 20, 2016 2:18 PM  

I never realized until now that I was raised by Baby Boomers.

Wow, does that make a lot of sense now.

No wonder Vox despises them.

Blogger Markku January 20, 2016 2:19 PM  

Let's alienate the living shit out of everyone who would be alienated by these threads

Blogger kh123 January 20, 2016 2:20 PM  

Potato nigger mischlinge.


Something new every day.

Blogger kh123 January 20, 2016 2:20 PM  

...Wait, where's the emote for this concept.

Blogger JaimeInTexas January 20, 2016 2:22 PM  

@25. BigGayKoranBurner
"for NO SPEAK ENGLISH"

The problem is not the language. The problem is that the FedGov imposed the Social Security system over Puerto Rico. Blame the effing FDR and his generation.

Blogger dh January 20, 2016 2:23 PM  

Markuu if you are the type of person who offended by being labelled as part of a large group with statistically and technically accurate information because you don't fit the median, you really don't belong here to begin with.

Blogger FALPhil January 20, 2016 2:23 PM  

@34 - I identify with you. I am a boomer, and I recognize there are two broad categories of boomers - the greater category immersed itself in sex, drugs, and rock & roll as it was growing up, and has a pie-in-the-sky weltanshauung that is not based in reality. And then there is the smaller cohort, which is solidly grounded in reality and subject to the derision of the larger group. It is the latter that finds its way to VP and stays for the long haul, because we recognize truth and reality when we see it. We are not afraid to debate, we are not afraid to lose, and we are capable of changing our minds when presented with logic.

Unfortunately, we do not characterize our generation.

Blogger Markku January 20, 2016 2:23 PM  

My point exactly. Better the chaff fall away now, than bother the wheat.

Blogger Miguel D'Anconia January 20, 2016 2:23 PM  

My parents were boomers (dad born in 46 & mom born in 47). I always told them their generation was a disease and fucked everything up. They agreed. They were atypical. Got married because mom was pregnant with me. Held jobs they didn't like to pay the bills. Stayed married till my mom passed away 3 years ago. Typical for their parent's but freaks for the boomers. My mom's sister was a typical hippie boomer. Worthless as shit terrible mother and thought everyone with ability owed her something because she was useless. F her I'd walk over her dying body before I'd help her or her kind.

Blogger Eric Castle January 20, 2016 2:23 PM  

Writing off a generation has Biblical precedent. Remember it was only those who were under 20 at the time of God's condemnation for their cowardice who later entered into the Promised Land among the Israelites after 40 years...

And this even accommodates the rare exception: Caleb and Joshua were excepted for their right choices.

Anonymous That Would Be Telling January 20, 2016 2:26 PM  

@34 Technomad:

Which Boomers are you talking about? My own cohort are, theoretically, Boomers (born 1961) but, culturally and otherwise, we're far closer to X-ers.

We're part of the very long demographic Baby Boom, but not the cultural one, which is best known as Generation Jones. Our parents were Silents, not the "Greatest" Generation, we, as noted by Verne we entered the job market at a particularly bad time, and I certainly don't remember any of my peers thinking we could change the world, just surviving it in a time of The Limits to Growth was thought iffy, prior to Reagan the Zeitgeist was malaise, not ... whatever it was for the cultural Baby Boomers.

Blogger Student in Blue January 20, 2016 2:27 PM  

@TS
Truth is I hate Boomers as much as Vox does but look at me on the front page of his blog just for standing up to him. :)

If it doesn't apply to you, then why are you getting offended on their behalf? Why are you getting offended, period?

Again, why are you focused on your feelings instead of what is true or false?

Blogger Bluntobj Winz January 20, 2016 2:28 PM  

@24

That would require Boomers to overcome the solipsism that infects Boomers, men and women alike. Just think about the Solipsism Squared inherent in an average Boomer Female!

Blogger Rusty Fife January 20, 2016 2:28 PM  

VD

This button is hilarious. Every time you push it they emote all over the place like Guinea hens.

Anonymous John Wilkes Booth January 20, 2016 2:28 PM  

Boomers...the ones who gave us Revenge of the Nerds and tried to pass that off as realistic.

Blogger Markku January 20, 2016 2:29 PM  

Let loose the Nate!

Alie-Nate!

Blogger kh123 January 20, 2016 2:29 PM  

And as always, the trap that's most entertaini... efficient, was the one that was easiest to avoid.

For all the harm St. Charles brought onto the West, you have to admit, his popularizing of natural selection is one of the better things it's been blessed with. A concept that goes well beyond the original purpose.

OpenID sigsawyer January 20, 2016 2:31 PM  

The Boomers were the first generation to entirely reject their god and nation in favor of worshipping a soulless materialism.

You Boomers were too busy chasing your bigger house, bigger car, better job to fight off the leftist cancer creeping into universities and sabotaging our culture. You were blinded by greed and optimism, and by the 80's, when you woke up and voted for Reagan, your party had already been hijacked by globalists and now your children and grandchildren have to clean up the mess you made.

Anonymous WinstonWebb January 20, 2016 2:32 PM  

Esiason and all the others can kiss my ass.

Blogger Gaiseric January 20, 2016 2:33 PM  

It shouldn't be too difficult to grasp that Gavin is describing the generalized impact of the "boomer" generation, but there will always be those who are poorly described by the generalization.

And why am I posting a self-evident concept?


The derived solipsism of "if I didn't personally experience it, or it doesn't apply to me or someone I know personally, then I don't believe it exists" is—apparently—not nearly as self-evidently irrelevant and stupid as it seems, given how many people routinely indulge in it.

Blogger Lovekraft January 20, 2016 2:35 PM  

Boomer's denial or indifference stems mainly from the psychoanalysis movement in the 70s. Made-up therapy to mask the inner emptiness of society.

So in this sense, boomers are a product of their place in history. No excuse for their laziness, interference, superficiality. Just that they should be viewed as a group and how it reacts to various stimuli.

The next time the war is fought and won and the children enter the land of plenty, best idea to keep out all psychiatrists and other voodoo merchants.

Anonymous TS January 20, 2016 2:39 PM  

Blue,

Strictly by the numbers it does apply to me.

You keep asking me the same question even though:
1) It is a terrible question filled with weak assumptions.
2) I already answered your question (@28) yet here you are asking it again. Are you just a one-trick pony or is it a lack of cognition?

Blogger kmbr January 20, 2016 2:40 PM  

**The Lena Dunham generation will be fun to watch, too.**

This is a great thread. (: I have a great disdain for this generation.

Lena has been around for quite some time. I am a Xer from very liberal upstate NY--she's every third girl I knew growing up in looks, morals, attitude and degeneracy. In fact when she first became known to me she was so familiar because I was surrounded by Lena Dunhams.

But, then, the rest of the country is just catching up to where the defunct cesspool of New York state was 20-30 years ago.

But, hey, I defied the odds. Made it out with my brain, somewhat, in tact.

Blogger Curtis January 20, 2016 2:40 PM  

But, but, but God! Baby Boomers made me do it!

Which one of these "Baby Boomers" to my right made you "do it"?

Just apply that to the X'ers and Y'ers, and move on to each succeeding generation.

No one is going to stand before God and blame their father or mother.

Which reminds going through the generations of the Kings: Did right. Did right. Did wrong. Did wrong. Did wrong. Did wrong. Did right. Did wrong. Did wrong. Did wrong. Did right. Did wrong, and etc. Whose fault was it of those who did wrong? Those that did right?

Which generation, in the eye's of God, was better than any other generation?

Your father and mothers did not put a beam in your eye. Your beam is yours and yours alone. And only you can take it out.

bay Boomers can go off and all die, and you are still left in YOUR own sins.

Speaking of emoting much.

Anonymous BGKB January 20, 2016 2:43 PM  

40 The problem is not the language. The problem is that the FedGov imposed the Social Security system over Puerto Rico

Not speaking English in PR is considered a disability for SS despite everyone speaking their version of Spanish, while the case for Not Speaking English in the 50 states being a disability is at least conceivable. I know my grandparents that had to learn English didn't vote for their taxes to go that way. This is one of the biggest risks associated with amnesty because if it passes most would stop what ever work they are doing and collect.

Anonymous DNW January 20, 2016 2:44 PM  

"If a potato-nigger mischling can admit the flaws of his genetic heritage, you, too, can admit the flaws of your generation. After all, that shit isn't part of your blood, as it is with me, and you are likely not responsible for much of it. It requires only honest introspection and reflection."

Well, if the "Boomer" vices are not the result of "bad genes" manifesting as bad character, then what exactly was the etiology of this moral disorder? Can't be their parents influence, because ... "Greatest Generation" ... And of course the children of "Boomers" are themselves largely paragons ... if, sometimes prattling "nihilists".

Paragons, with the exception of an occasional Lena Dunham type, of course.

Anonymous BGKB January 20, 2016 2:44 PM  

**The Lena Dunham generation will be fun to watch, too.**

Wouldn't it be funny if she turned into the biggest advocate for white children being plentiful, especially 3yo girls?

Blogger Lovekraft January 20, 2016 2:45 PM  

Feminism and the gay lobby cannot be counted out in that their relentless wearing down of men, the family, tradition would leave any generation dumbfounded. Perhaps dumbfounded would be a onsolation to the boomers - they didn't know what was going on or had any power to do anything, but they definitely were dumb.

Blogger kh123 January 20, 2016 2:48 PM  

@59 "Your father and mothers did not put a beam in your eye. Your beam is yours and yours alone. And only you can take it out."

Replace beam with "invasion" or "debt," eye with "nation."

Left with our own sins? Sure. Sans latchkey stories, the personal isn't the primary thing fueling the fire here, if at all. Difficult as that is for certain generational cohorts to grasp.

Blogger Dexter January 20, 2016 2:50 PM  

If you didn't identify so completely with your generation, you wouldn't consider yourself written off. I don't write off any individual. I'm entirely open to being surprised. But as with Communists, art students, and homosexuals, I have a pretty good idea of what the average Boomer is going to think, say, and do based on my experience.

At NRO right now, the moronic RINOs are flailing away at the Cruz's "New York Values" thing, because, you see, not all New Yorkers are Jewish Homosexual Communist Pornographers -- there are at least one or two "conservatives" (i.e., NRO writers) living there.

It is ignorant prejudice to assert that anyone could have a pretty good idea, based on experience, of what New Yorkers will think, say, or do!

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 20, 2016 2:50 PM  

@TS @Tank @Curtis,
Just stop it. You're proving VD and all the other Xers right on this.
Our generation is the one that put "We're spending our children's inheritance" stickers on RVs that cost more than the house their children couldn't afford. Having spent their parents savings, and their own earnings, they've moved on to their children's paychecks and are well into enslaving their grandchildren (c.f. the great student debt bubble) to pay for their extravagance and denial of reality.
Our generation, having destroyed their own families, have skewed the system so as to destroy the families of their own children, and the families that their grandchildren can't afford to have.
As long as we can get rich on our houses, who cares if 30-year-olds can even afford a house?
As long as we can eke out another two weeks, who cares who pays the medical bills?

We fucked it up, and mocking the people calling us on it is pure ego-salvaging.

Blogger Lovekraft January 20, 2016 2:51 PM  

@59

This is your reply? Some biblical jousting, when in fact your generation was in control during the descent into major degeneracy, godlessness etc.

Vox has the power to shine a light. Most of us here do not. His light is also free (as far as I'm concernet) whereas the corporate/government-controlled media is under immediate and persistent threat of censorship.

Go there and shame opinions you dislike. Here you are seen as an sjw.

Blogger kh123 January 20, 2016 2:52 PM  

@61 "Well, if the "Boomer" vices are not the result of "bad genes" manifesting as bad character, then what exactly was the etiology of this moral disorder?"

In the comments last couple of posts.

Blogger Rabbi B January 20, 2016 2:52 PM  

"Adieu, sweet prince."

I laughed out loud. The Dark Lord is kind.

Blogger praetorian January 20, 2016 2:53 PM  

what exactly was the etiology of this moral disorder

The Murderer from the beginning, The Liar, The Father of Lies.

OpenID paworldandtimes January 20, 2016 2:54 PM  

My loathing of Baby Boomers is sweetly indulged during these threads.

There are two kinds of good Boomers: the dead, and the ones who say "yeah, we were, and still are, filth; please forgive us, grandchildren."

PA

Anonymous Bird on a Wing January 20, 2016 2:55 PM  

My husband was watching a hunting show when suddenly he exclaimed, "Spoiled brat! I hate that guy."

I looked up to see the gray ponytail, casually slouched, hand on hip, posturing for all he was worth, while he babbled about how guilty he felt for not being at his father's deathbed. But he couldn't man -- he just couldn't!

I said, "Oh, of course you hate him. He's a baby boomer hippy."

My husband sat there and with a heartfelt exhalation recognized and embraced the hate, "Yeah."

Anonymous F.Axe #3424 January 20, 2016 2:57 PM  

Born in 1985, I was recently despaired to find out that I qualify as a millennial. now that I think about it, I don"t think there has been a good generation to be from in the last 70 years...

Anonymous TS January 20, 2016 2:57 PM  

Lots of Boomers hated Hippies.
It's how Punk Rock got started.

Blogger Austin Ballast January 20, 2016 2:57 PM  

@12 The truth is we enjoyed the drugs and easy sex ourselves.

Many of us did not dive into either Verne. Don't paint your own brush too wide either.

Vox, you are great at tearing down, but not so much on the building up part, or even giving ways to fix things. Hopefully your many efforts you are working on now change that balance.

I did find that I am more persuaded about trade with China, for example, but I still don't see solid answers on who would manage things. Things like that is more what I am thinking of.

The SJWs book would be an exception as you tell steps to take to overcome an attack. I have not dug into the Cuckservative one enough yet to know if it does the same.

I am not sure the Boomers will seem as horrid as it seems now. Men are corrupt and each generation will have its own corrupt bunch. It takes major effort to fight that corruption and few are willing to do so.

Blogger Student in Blue January 20, 2016 2:59 PM  

@TS
1) It is a terrible question filled with weak assumptions.

Yet in your email, you didn't address said assumptions, all you did was fling rhetoric.

What makes it a terrible question, why is the assumption weak? Or are these things just so blindingly obvious that everyone who disagrees must be a terrible badperson?

2) I already answered your question (@28) yet here you are asking it again. Are you just a one-trick pony or is it a lack of cognition?

I missed your post. Regardless:

Blue:
I came here for Truth.
But I found less than I sought.


...that's not an answer, that's poetic bullshit. Does a man focused on logic and answers focus on having "a better comeback"? You're triggered, and you never answered why you were focused on your feelings (that is, why is your email dialectically void).

Blogger Giuseppe The Kurgan January 20, 2016 3:00 PM  

Vox,
many of your have a somewhat dark undercurrent of humour, but it is not, I would say, the most prominent feature of your writing. However, when you do one like this I am willing to bet there is a percentage of people who literally piss their pants laughing.

Blogger Josh January 20, 2016 3:01 PM  

**The Lena Dunham generation will be fun to watch, too.**

The biggest difference between the millennials and the boomers on this blog is that you don't see cries of NOT ALL MILLENNIALS ARE LIKE THAT the way you do on EVERY boomer thread.

Millennials are fucking terrible, but at least some of them know it. And they don't get butthurt when someone says their generation is fucking terrible.

Blogger weka January 20, 2016 3:02 PM  

I am technically a boomer. I despise boomers. I think most of us on the trail edge of boomers think more like X.

Blogger dh January 20, 2016 3:06 PM  

I have several millennial brothers and they know how fucked they are by their generation. It's really terrible for them. Both are really just great men, living in a world of boys and girls. They have few outlets. Just terrible.

Anonymous Adam January 20, 2016 3:06 PM  

The baby boomers are the generation that were told that they were special, and unique sunflowers, and they deserved everything, and they could be anything they wanted to be, and the stupid fucktards actually believed it.

The public angst over Bowie's death is delicious and whets the appetite for what is to come. The Boomers are so delusional they actually believed that they wouldn't get old and die. Now that day is fast arriving. Seeing as their generation invented the delightful Western practice of sticking their parents in "retirement homes" whilst stealing all their money, it will be fun watching their efforts to get out of this one.

Blogger Student in Blue January 20, 2016 3:06 PM  

Honestly I'm starting to believe Boomers and Gammas are functionally identical, which explains Vox's inherent dislike for both.

Blogger Austin Ballast January 20, 2016 3:07 PM  

Couldn't be at his father's deathbed? I would note that as a thing of shame, not an "oh well" moment.

I just barely made it to my father's death bed, but he was several states away and I only got there when he was no longer cognizant. But I got to be there, thanks to God's help in the matter.

Missed my mom's, but she hid it and I could not drive the several needed states to get there in time. I suspect she also did not want me to see her like that, so she checked out a bit early. Fits with her personality.

I am as flawed as they were, but I still honored them as best I could. Don't let any of my comments lead anyone to think I respect most of my "peers" and close cohort.

I just don't see huge hope past them either. Will the clouds part and a new day dawn when the last boomer dies?

Anonymous Spartacus xxxxx January 20, 2016 3:07 PM  

TS replied with all the wisdom and restraint that has caused so many GenXers to develop such deep respect for the Baby Boomers:

Sayonara motherfucker.


Sayonara means bye bye. If TS means what he writes he would not be posting here anymore.


@42. FALPhil

@34 - I identify with you. I am a boomer, ... there is the smaller cohort, which is solidly grounded in reality and subject to the derision of the larger group. It is the latter that finds its way to VP and stays for the long haul, because we recognize truth...

Unfortunately, we do not characterize our generation.


@43. Markku

My point exactly. Better the chaff fall away now, than bother the wheat.

I'm not very good at strategy and game theory. What goes into this calculation?
Better 10 loyal men than 10,000 gammas, for sure. Anything else? Identify a scapegoat? Alienate potential allies ahead of time?

But a Boomer, like anyone else, has no choice of birth date (or race, sex, IQ, birth location, etc.) It is almost like YOU, born at a different time. Notice the Boomer threads slam on all the other generations as well, stretching back at least to the 16th C. After they are finished with the extermination of their various uncles and nephews, there's (rhetorically) nobody left. If a Boomer were put into cryonic suspension at birth for three decades, should he be killed upon re-animation? Born under a bad year?

Anonymous Toddy Cat January 20, 2016 3:07 PM  

Of course, Not All Boomers Are Like That (NABALT?) I know plenty of Boomers who served in Vietnam, got married, started businesses, saved for retirement, and did their best to raise their kids in a sane, Godly manner, the way almost all previous generations did. That might even be the majority, certainly it was in places like the Midwest, where I grew up.

But the overall Boomer ethos, as it was presented by the Boomer elite, and accepted by a significant portion of that generation, was corrupt to the core. Many individual Boomers were and are fine, decent, patriotic people, but there's no denying that the overall impact of the generation was horrific. And yes, the 1945-1955 cohort was by far the worst. For the 1956-1964 batch, reality started to set in, but the damage was done.

But it's also important to remember that the Immigration Act of 1965, the "Civil Rights" Act of 1964, the Great Society and the betrayal of Vietnam were not put into effect by Boomers. The "Greatest Generation" and the "Silents" did that. The problem is multigenerational, to say the least.

Anonymous Bastion of Insanity January 20, 2016 3:08 PM  

I'm older than TS and not the least offended, though I did piddle my depends laughing at the "sweet prince" remark.

Blogger Austin Ballast January 20, 2016 3:09 PM  

@79 I am technically a boomer. I despise boomers. I think most of us on the trail edge of boomers think more like X.

I feel the same way, but that is not allowed here.

My career certainly followed the "jump around" GenX path more than the previous trends. Having a firm inner conviction to live as God wants me to live limited much of the rot from me, even at a great deal of solo-ness.

Anonymous Athor Pel January 20, 2016 3:11 PM  

It sure looks like for every woman willing to post NAWALT comments on feminist bashing threads there is a boomer doing the same thing for his generation on boomer bashing threads.

As for potential allies that have as a generation willingly squandered the wealth of an empire and indebted their progeny deeper than any in written history I don't see that generation as someone I can afford to have around much less rely on when things get sticky.

And if you don't resemble that level of profligacy then welcome to Rivendell. Watch your hands.


You drawing Social Security yet, how about Medicaid? You plan on it? I don't ever expect to receive any of the money I've paid into the system and I never have expected it. To repeat, have never expected it and in fact don't plan on it at all and will likely refuse it if offered. Does anyone here know any boomers that don't plan on using federal government benefits at all?

If you eat the king's food you do what the king says.

Anonymous Heh January 20, 2016 3:12 PM  

I've been teaching my 9yo son to say, "Get a job, you dirty hippie!"

Blogger weka January 20, 2016 3:12 PM  

Further: the Generation Jones idea has validity. VD is about seven years younger -- and we span the age range of my sibs.

I graduated into a bankrupt nation with price controls and wage controls on everything and saw the Thatcherite revolution up close and personal.

Oh, and we missed out on the drugs and parties. I was in primary school

Our music is punk, new wave and techno. Jonesers have a lot in common with GenX, and we really hate the hippies. Because those self righteous bastards had all the jobs and royally ruined things.

I am enjoying these threads, despite being born in 1960.

Blogger JaimeInTexas January 20, 2016 3:13 PM  

60. BGKB

"Not speaking English in PR is considered a disability for SS ..."

I had to google that. Well, that is dumb, to put it mildly. But, yet again, who's fault is it? Where did that rule/regulation come from?

PR has been under SS and its tax since its inception.

Blogger Jakeithus January 20, 2016 3:18 PM  

"Born in 1985, I was recently despaired to find out that I qualify as a millennial."

As someone else born in 85, we're in a tricky spot because we're at the upper edge of the millennial range and can relate a lot more to the Xers that we grew up watching.

But ya, Millenials can be pretty terrible.

Blogger Markku January 20, 2016 3:19 PM  

Alienate potential allies ahead of time?

Butthurt boomer allies?

Yes.

Yesyesyes!

Y E S !

Blogger kmbr January 20, 2016 3:21 PM  

**The public angst over Bowie's death is delicious and whets the appetite for what is to come. The Boomers are so delusional they actually believed that they wouldn't get old and die. **

That's so terrible but so true. It actually gave me a small spark of pleasure just reading and contemplating it.

Blogger Austin Ballast January 20, 2016 3:22 PM  

Are you saying you are trying to alienate me Markku? Doubt it will work though. I have been around her long enough to have settled into the flow. The insults come from many places to most of us. You have to live with them here to stay.

I am amazed at how many cannot handle them.

Though the idea of taking away the chaff early goes against the Biblical principle of waiting until the end of the age.

Blogger Markku January 20, 2016 3:25 PM  

Are you saying you are trying to alienate me Markku?

Depends. Are you butthurt? If not, then I have to conclude from your question that you are solipsistic.

Neither of these bode well for a fruitful alliance. But perhaps you could be a hanger-on.

Blogger CM January 20, 2016 3:26 PM  

Your father and mothers did not put a beam in your eye. Your beam is yours and yours alone. And only you can take it out.

In the last 200 years, I don't really know what generations had the least respect for their parents' generation. I don't know social history that well...

I would hypothesize that those who started to ignore their parents and consider them "backwards" on issues of morality would have the biggest effect on the following generations.

Just who exactly do you think younger people are supposed to be learning from? Yes... later generations will pay for their sins, one of the Boomers' sins is exchanging wisdom for foolishness and not passing it on to the next generation.

No. Not all are like that. And yeah... my generation is going to have one heck of a time. Boomers rejected their parents' morality and passed on a rapidly spoiling bill of goods with little knowledge of history.

If Millenials have a hard time figuring it out, that's why.

Note that some things are already changing... like girls rejecting feminism, less abortion , more cynicism towards government, and while European millenials have the lead , Americans will catch up on nationalism as our situation gets worse.

We definitely have our problems (we favor parenting over marriage as one) and it's gonna be a rough ride thanks to what our elders gave us and WE might not do much more than raise our children to be the fixers.

Again, I'm an early mil with late boomer parents. Neither of us fits our generational mold so I don't expect every boomer or every mil to fit into these little boxes.

Blogger James Dixon January 20, 2016 3:26 PM  

> Holding an entire generation in contempt, even if you hedge it with weasel words like "as a whole," is not a wise thing.

It's the only option the boomers give the later generations. They're the ones claiming everyone from 1946 to 1964 and not allowing any exceptions.

> Which Boomers are you talking about? My own cohort are, theoretically, Boomers (born 1961) but, culturally and otherwise, we're far closer to X-ers.

Most of the late 50's to 64 folks were. That doesn't stop the boomers from claiming us.

1958. Claimed by the boomers. I repeat: The boomers were the worst generation to ever walk the earth.

Anonymous Toddy Cat January 20, 2016 3:28 PM  

Talk is cheap, Xers and Millennials. If you want to shame the Boomers (who badly need it) do a better job than they did. That shouldn't be too hard, but so far, with 40% of Millennials and 32% of Xers favoring limitations on free speech with regard to "protected" minorities (as opposed to 28% of Boomers)all I can say is that, so far, I ain't seeing it.

Anonymous Bird on a Wing January 20, 2016 3:29 PM  

Couldn't be at his father's deathbed? I would note that as a thing of shame, not an "oh well" moment.

Oh no. He was smirking and fake-virtuous about missing his father's death. He was on a trophy hunt! Across the country, man! Couldn't do it. He felt so bad. Him, the bad boy. Him.

Fucking baby boomer. Even on a show about hunting elk.

I love these boomer-bashing threads.

Blogger Verne January 20, 2016 3:31 PM  

@Austin Ballast I was speaking generationaly. As a generation us late boomers were huge party animals. We had to work harder for a lot of reasons. But we did play, "Fast Times at Ridgemont High" was not a total fantasy. Our main difference from our older brothers. We did not think we were societies bright light and future. We were just trying to keep our jobs and enjoy life. And sadly we got to watch things slowly degrade. We are still working and have many more years to work. There are no "I'm spending our childrens inheritance" bumper stickers among my peers.

Blogger Nate January 20, 2016 3:34 PM  

"Millennials are fucking terrible, but at least some of them know it. And they don't get butthurt when someone says their generation is fucking terrible."

The primary Millennial retort appears to be "of course we're terrible and retarded. How could we not be?"

Blogger JDC January 20, 2016 3:35 PM  

I'm not worried. Boomers tend to trail off when their progeny figure out you can just pull the plug and have a nice memorial service as soon as times get tough.

I can attest to the fact that the memorial services for boomers are an awkward affair. When there is nothing to memorialize, aside from selfishness and narcissism, then the services turn out to be pretty indifferent affairs.

Blogger Nate January 20, 2016 3:36 PM  

Those of you talking about the later stage Boomers being more like X... don't think of the Generations as segments on a bug. Thing of them as colors fading from one to the next. as the colors fade.. individual pixels change from say... blue to red... more and more of them change.. and eventually the whole screen is red when it was blue.

Anonymous Adam January 20, 2016 3:36 PM  

Talk is cheap, Xers and Millennials. If you want to shame the Boomers (who badly need it) do a better job than they did. That shouldn't be too hard, but so far, with 40% of Millennials and 32% of Xers favoring limitations on free speech with regard to "protected" minorities (as opposed to 28% of Boomers)all I can say is that, so far, I ain't seeing it.

What do you think we're doing in this thread? Also, good job on pulling meaningless stats out of your butt.

Blogger Student in Blue January 20, 2016 3:37 PM  

Though the idea of taking away the chaff early goes against the Biblical principle of waiting until the end of the age.

Why, clearly excommunication is against the Bible.

And so's Matthew 5:30. Very un-Biblical, that Matthew fellow. And Mark.

Blogger Austin Ballast January 20, 2016 3:37 PM  

I do play quite a bit Verne, even tied my M.S. work to that. Not the same as most boomers, but the charge would have merit.

Markku,

Solipsistic? Probably. As much as the term indicates? Not likely.

Just refound 2 of the 3 CDs I bought a while back. Need to listen to them now.... Likely to happen with my granddaughters more.

Blogger Austin Ballast January 20, 2016 3:37 PM  

Markku, I was speaking of your CDs there. Left that part out.

Blogger Verne January 20, 2016 3:37 PM  

@James Dixon Right on my brother, we hated them when we were growing up. Why the hell do they say we are them now

Blogger Markku January 20, 2016 3:38 PM  

Those of you talking about the later stage Boomers being more like X

There used to be Generation Y. My sister was in it. Then it just disappeared and merged into millennial. I believe this is for narrative purposes. But GenY is different than millennial proper, no matter what propaganda says.

Blogger Austin Ballast January 20, 2016 3:38 PM  

I do like Nate's point. Should I leave now?

Blogger Chris Eastlund January 20, 2016 3:39 PM  

"Boomers are responsible for Political Correctness, which is focused on avoiding feelbad and ending racism by... using different words."

Eh, no. This is out of that small group of cultural marxists, who have been growing since long before the Boomers. It is definitely a multi-generational thing, and a marxist thing. Blaming it on the boomers is a misdirection.

Blogger Markku January 20, 2016 3:39 PM  

Markku, I was speaking of your CDs there. Left that part out.

I have no idea what CDs you might be talking about, so I have to assume you confuse me with someone else.

Blogger Markku January 20, 2016 3:41 PM  

Oops, I read Nate's message wrong.

Oh well, GenY still disappeared, and I'm pissed off about it.

Blogger Cogitans Iuvenis January 20, 2016 3:42 PM  

It's funny people take criticism of a generation so personally. Unless you somehow feel that the criticisms of a generation writ large or equally applicable to yourself why should you care?

I'm a millennial, and I will be the first one to agree with anyone who characterizes millennials as a whole as lazy, entitled pussies. How my generation as on a whole is no reflection on how I am as an individual. Saying the boomer generation sucks isn't the same thing as saying everyone who happens to be a boomer sucks.

Anonymous Faceless January 20, 2016 3:43 PM  

Markku != Jamsco

Blogger Curtis January 20, 2016 3:45 PM  

@66

Who is "our" generation? If your father and mother were total f*ck ups, then that is on your father and mother, not on a entire generation, who were not all total f*ck ups.

What is the X'ers and Y'ers excuse? Oh, right. But God! It's daddy and mommy's fault! Is that it?

The funny thing, is that like the Boomers, I don't see many X'ers and Y'ers doing much about the current situation. Well, except blame the Boomers and emoting. Every generation, including the Boomers, had/have those who see through the wall. Unfortunately, they are a minority. You X'ers and Y'ers who see through the wall are a minority, just like those Boomers who were a minority. Fixating your eyeball's on those bad Boomers is like turning around and becoming a pillar of salt. It serves no purpose other than to emote.

And remember, Boomers were not around when TOTAL Federalism reared its ugly head. Like every generation before the Boomers, what you are living in today, is the consequences of Federal baby-steps of totalitarianism. Each generation had its part to play in where we are now, including the X'ers and Y'ers. As the man said, and I paraphrase, It is the NATURE of government to grow. He didn't mean it is the nature of government to get better, but worse. And every generation since the founding of this country is responsible for that.

Because THEY didn't so something. Just like YOU ain't doing something.

Well, be that generation that DOES something rather than emoting on daddy and mommy. And grandpa and grandma. And great-grandpa and great-grandpa. And etc. down the line.

The fact of the matter is, that we all know what needs to be done. But, it is easier to emote on daddy and mommy, than it is to get off our asses and actually do something. All of us are to busy making excuses for NOT doing what needs to be done, which does nothing but make us all a pillar of salt. Every generation has had their excuses, and the X'ers and Y'ers excuses are no better than the others before them.

What is it? As soon as all the Boomers die, we're really, really, really, honestly, are going to DO something? I doubt it. The children of your children will look into the eyes of their children and says, what? Posterity, you'll never know You will never know how much it cost great-grandpa's generation to preserve your freedom! I hope you will make a good use of it?

Stop bitching and emoting on daddy and mommy and just do it. Ya know, like your fathers and their fathers and their fathers, right? Be THAT generation. But, but, because of daddy and mommy, and grandpa and grandma, and great-grandpa and great-grandma, they made us into what we are. If only they would just pull the beam out of our eyes.

Follow?

You-will-all-die-in-your-own-sins.

Waaaaa! Waaaaaa! Waaaaaa! Boo-hoo-hoo!

The vast majority of Boomers that came before you are DEAD already. Now what? Why wait for the left-overs to die? Oh, right. The X'ers and Y'ers are going to finish them off. And then all will be right in the world according to X'er and Y'er. Because? What? There won't be any Boomers left to, vote?

Come on! Aren't you all the generation you have been waiting for? Oh. I forgot. But daddy and mommy made me into surfs, so we can't DO anything about it, because daddy and mommy ef'ed us up.

And you all are STILL going to die in YOUR own sins. Well, unless the big stick happens, just as soon as the big collapse happens, then you'll show them.

Meh.

Blogger David-093 January 20, 2016 3:45 PM  

@Josh

All the narcissicism of social media, their Boomer parents telling them how special they are, has not produced even the slightest equivalent of defensiveness that the Boomers do when their generation is criticized. Mills act like Xers when it comes to opionions of their generation.

Blogger Austin Ballast January 20, 2016 3:47 PM  

My error Markku. I thought you had a hand in those. Never mind.

Blogger Markku January 20, 2016 3:47 PM  

And you all are STILL going to die in YOUR own sins.

You first.

Blogger Sheila4g January 20, 2016 3:48 PM  

@47 Student in Blue: "If it doesn't apply to you, then why are you getting offended on their behalf? Why are you getting offended, period?"

Seriously. The butthurt and the NABALT wailing and gnashing of teeth on multiple threads here is just astonishing. How anyone could be a reader here and not comprehend the difference between legitimate generalizations and specific individual exceptions is beyond me. And the need to defend oneself as not part of that generalization - I can understand to a point (I certainly feel that at times) but why wallow in it? I hardly agree with everyone on everything here, but I try not to pick fights because if I've learned anything over the years (and from reading here), it's that it's not all about me.

Anonymous VFM 4833 January 20, 2016 3:48 PM  

The idea of taking the chaff away early goes againsr the Biblical principle of waiting 'til the end of the age.

A parable intimating that God is going to wait establishes a principle that overrides direct commands to expunge false prophets and dead weight?

The Scriptures aren't a horoscope to be unraveled. The instructions are clear. There's no need to take cues from history lessons or parables when we have explicit marching orders. And it's especially hubristic to assume we get to do things the way God does.

But if you want to follow 'principles', the leadup to Christ's death in the gospel of John is his driving away followers by pissing them off.

Blogger Student in Blue January 20, 2016 3:49 PM  

@Chris Eastlund
Eh, no. This is out of that small group of cultural marxists, who have been growing since long before the Boomers. It is definitely a multi-generational thing, and a marxist thing. Blaming it on the boomers is a misdirection.

Pardon me then, I need to rephrase it:

Boomers are responsible for allowing and accepting Political Correctness.

They didn't come up with it, but they certainly didn't try to stop it.

Blogger David-093 January 20, 2016 3:51 PM  

@Nate

The color spectrum analogy is spot-on.

@Markku

Gen-Y is from 1978-1985. Like Gen-Jones its on the cusp.

European generations are five to seven years behind the US. Mills there begin around 88 or 89.

Blogger Rabbi B January 20, 2016 3:52 PM  

@47 Student in Blue

"Why are you getting offended, period?"

Any attention is better than no attention.

Blogger Austin Ballast January 20, 2016 3:52 PM  

A parable intimating that God is going to wait establishes a principle that overrides direct commands to expunge false prophets and dead weight?

I didn't know we were expelling false profits. I thought we were talking about letting the bad shake themselves out. Single concise removals are different than wholesale culling. The idea that you tear out valid wheat if not cautious is a valid consideration.

Tear out too much wheat and you don't have much of a crop left.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr January 20, 2016 3:52 PM  

All discussions of a 20-year generation suffer from a sample rate that is too low, and produces false results. A POLITICAL cohort is about 10 years, maybe 12...and seems to start at mid-decade. And after thinking about it, there's a certain cycle to them.

Let's look at this from a 10-year perspective.

World War II: Born mid-late 1920s, early 1930s. Shaped by the Second World War and Korea. Grew up in the Depression, but it was part of the atmosphere, not a big surprise. Brave, willing to sacrifice...but also believed their PR about being the greatest thing since sliced bread.

Happy Days-ers: Born late 1930s, early 1940s. Grew up in the safe, secure 1950s, but with a memory of World War II. Solid, responsible, very focused on the future.

Brat Boomers: Born late 1940s-early 1950s. Grew up in the 1950s, then got gobsmacked by Vietnam, the sexual revolution, and drugs in the 1960s. VERY bimodal, with half working out quite well, the other half were complete trash.

Baby Busters: Born late 1950s-early 1960s. Grew to maturity in the 1970s, got to watch their nation go to hell while they were in high school. Hardworking. Hate the Brat Boomers with a passion - they regard the Brat Boom cohort as having had a hell of a party and stuck the Baby Bust with the bill. Reminiscent in many ways of the World War II group.

Reagan Kids: Born late 1960s-early 1970s. Came to maturity during the late 1980s and early 1990s. Very reminiscent of the Happy Days-ers, as they have childhood memories of hard times, but their adolescence and early adulthood were in a safe, prosperous world.

Clinton Cynics: Born late 1970s-early 1980s. Came to maturity during the Clinton era. Very much like the Brat Boomers, they also grew up in a nice, safe, prosperous world...and got clobbered by reality on 11 Sep 2001. Similar bimodal distribution, they're either great or subhuman filth.

Obama Busters: Born late 1980s-early 1990s. Got to watch Bush the Younger dent and ding the country, then saw Obama ram the ship of state into an iceberg at 30 kts. What I'm seeing are mostly like the Brat Boomers. Hardworking and hard-nosed.

There's a case that the actual period is 12 years, not 10. 14 years at the most. 20? Don't make me laugh.

Blogger Markku January 20, 2016 3:53 PM  

Gen-Y is from 1978-1985

And when's the last time you've heard about Generation Y? You hear constantly about millennials, more than is good for your sanity about boomers, rarely about GenX, and never about GenY.

Anonymous Adam January 20, 2016 3:54 PM  

It's funny people take criticism of a generation so personally. Unless you somehow feel that the criticisms of a generation writ large or equally applicable to yourself why should you care?

I would posit that the greater the butthurt the more the person truly reflects the greater generalization.

Blogger VD January 20, 2016 3:55 PM  

And the need to defend oneself as not part of that generalization - I can understand to a point (I certainly feel that at times) but why wallow in it?

That's their dirty little secret. They do identify with their generation and feel they are special because of it, no matter how they feign to disavow it... because if they didn't, they wouldn't feel butthurt about it.

I could not possibly care less what any Baby Boomer has to say about my generation, good or bad. That's what they will never, ever grasp about me or any GenXer. We've been forced to hear their bullshit about themselves for literally our entire lives.

And we can't wait to never, ever, hear anymore about it.

Blogger kmbr January 20, 2016 3:56 PM  

**What is the X'ers and Y'ers excuse?**

What's beautiful about being an Xer is that we were constantly told what crap we were, slackers, weren't going to amount to anything, would work at coffee houses in Seattle for the rest of our lives, be the first generation that did worse than our parents--

So, whatever we did--we looked at and said, "Wow, this is so much more than I ever anticipated" (:

Blogger TheOldCrusader January 20, 2016 3:57 PM  

I'm a middle boomer - early 50's. (Actually that should be late boomer since the original term was Post WWII Baby Boom - folks from much after me shouldn't be considered boomers at all.)

I don't have much problem with the McInnes clip (though I will say that I have not run into the table manners issue.)

What I don't like is the moniker "Worst Generation".
Not that I object to the unfavorable characterization.

What I object to is the implicit acceptance of Brokaw's "Greatest Generation" terminology for the preceding generation.

I think Joe Sobran pointed out (rightly) that the greatest generation was the founders.

"As a group" my parents generation left us the modern centralized state we have today. That falls short of greatest.

I'd maybe call them the "conformist" or "go along to get along" generation.

That generation was not bad - they just did what the next antecedent generation (the WWI or GooGoo generation) told them to do during difficult times. And as Pat Buchanan noted gave us an Empire instead of a Republic.

OpenID denektenorsk January 20, 2016 3:59 PM  

Vox,
many of your have a somewhat dark undercurrent of humour, but it is not, I would say, the most prominent feature of your writing. However, when you do one like this I am willing to bet there is a percentage of people who literally piss their pants laughing.


I just checked and while there are no wet spots I definitely did laugh out loud at "Adieu, sweet prince".

My parents are atypical boomers. They lived within their means and scraped and saved to have a modest retirement. They grew up with very little and that left a lasting impression. My father however, does indeed have the table etiquette somewhere in between that of a cave troll and an unwashed 19th century frontiersman.

Blogger Student in Blue January 20, 2016 3:59 PM  

@Napoleon 12pdr
Obama Busters: [...] What I'm seeing are mostly like the Brat Boomers. Hardworking and hard-nosed.

Considering the previous generation was like the Brat Boomers, and the one before that was like the Happy Days-ers, shouldn't that be instead
"mostly like the Baby Busters"? Shares the same profile you noted as hardworking.

Blogger rho January 20, 2016 4:01 PM  

Obligatory xkcd.

An 'American tradition' is anything that happened to a baby boomer twice.

Boomers will be complaining about the carbon footprint of the trucks transporting them to the soylent green processing plant.

OpenID denektenorsk January 20, 2016 4:04 PM  

Those of you talking about the later stage Boomers being more like X... don't think of the Generations as segments on a bug. Thing of them as colors fading from one to the next. as the colors fade.. individual pixels change from say... blue to red... more and more of them change.. and eventually the whole screen is red when it was blue.

So Nate, what you are saying is that people born in December, 1964 are not completely different than people born in January, 1965? I'm not sure I can get behind such a measured position.

Anonymous po #412 January 20, 2016 4:05 PM  

@88 Athor

"Does anyone here know any boomers that don't plan on using federal government benefits at all?"

Right here. Born at the tail end of the boomer generation. I have held a steady job since the day I turned 16. I currently own the company at which I work. I have never received even a nickel's worth of benefits from the government and I know in my heart that I will never, ever see any SS, medicaid, or whatever. To quote my father, "my retirement plan is a six-foot hole in the ground."

In the other hand, I don't spend any time brooding about what young snots think about whatever generational nomenclature has been assigned to my birthdate. In a VFM-like fashion, I just don't care.

Blogger Student in Blue January 20, 2016 4:05 PM  

@125. Rabbi B

I'm trying to guide him along a thought process that should fix his problems and, if that fails, demonstrate a link I believe exists between dependence on emotive reasoning and that certain generation.

@Markku
And when's the last time you've heard about Generation Y? You hear constantly about millennials, more than is good for your sanity about boomers, rarely about GenX, and never about GenY.

I think that's because Gen Y gets lumped in with "Millennials".

Blogger Verne January 20, 2016 4:09 PM  

@Napoleon 12pdr. That was rather good

Blogger Markku January 20, 2016 4:10 PM  

I think that's because Gen Y gets lumped in with "Millennials".

Which is what I said originally:

"Then it just disappeared and merged into millennial. I believe this is for narrative purposes."

Blogger bob k. mando January 20, 2016 4:11 PM  

78. Josh January 20, 2016 3:01 PM
Millennials are fucking terrible, but at least some of them know it. And they don't get butthurt when someone says their generation is fucking terrible.



hell, GenX doesn't get all hurtbutt when Boomer's tell us *we* aren't all that and a bag of chips.

i think it has something to do with Boomers being somewhat cognizant that they've pretty much controlled the entire culture from the early 60s almost up until today.

at some level, they KNOW they have greater culpability ...



101. Verne January 20, 2016 3:31 PM
There are no "I'm spending our childrens inheritance" bumper stickers among my peers.



of course not. the nation is already $20 Trillion in debt.


the inheritance of the your children and grandchildren and great grandchildren has ALREADY been spent.

here's another Boomer accomplishment:
Obama killed the shuttle program and gutted the operations at Canaveral ( i know several who got laid off ).

so, what with the canceling of a yugely expensive hardware program, what kind of budgetary "peace dividend" did Obama reap?

nothing.

the NASA budget has grown every year, even now that it's primarily a muslim outreach program and doesn't hardly launch anything any more.

there's a Boomer Great Success for you.

the Silents/Greatest went to the moon.

the Boomers killed the program ... and still manage to spend MORE money.

Blogger The Reactionary January 20, 2016 4:13 PM  

Boomers helicoptered their kids, because they couldn't believe what they got away with as kids and wanted to make sure their kids didn't.

Thus they created Millennials.

Death to boomers.

Blogger James Dixon January 20, 2016 4:16 PM  

> I came here for Truth.

I think there was a movie quote about that.

> Unfortunately, we do not characterize our generation.

Some people can understand that. Others seem forever incapable.

> This button is hilarious. Every time you push it they emote all over the place like Guinea hens.

They're boomers. They can't help themselves.

> At NRO right now, the moronic RINOs are flailing away at the Cruz's "New York Values" thing, because, you see, not all New Yorkers are Jewish Homosexual Communist Pornographers -- there are at least one or two "conservatives" (i.e., NRO writers) living there.

And whose fault is that? Doesn't NRO pay them enough that they can telecommute?

> There are two kinds of good Boomers: the dead, and the ones who say "yeah, we were, and still are, filth; please forgive us, grandchildren."

I don't have any children or grandchildren (not because we didn't try, Google DES daughter) to ask forgiveness of. :( I'll have to settle for accepting the blame for the generation which claims me.

> Vox, you are great at tearing down, but not so much on the building up part, or even giving ways to fix things.

Vox is GenX. They're not so hot on "fixing things" that others have destroyed.

Anonymous Toddy Cat January 20, 2016 4:16 PM  

"What do you think we're doing in this thread?"

Talking, as usual.

As for statistics out of my butt...

http://nymag.com/scienceofus/2015/11/millennials-a-bit-meh-on-free-speech.html

Anonymous J January 20, 2016 4:17 PM  

In general, I dislike what boomers stand for. I love and respect many individual boomers. In particular, I love and respect my parents, who gave me a stable Christian upbringing. They are "conservatives" and somewhat independent do-it-yourselfers, and yet, and yet....they still take gov't benefits in the form of disability and the like. Because they couldn't at this point live w/o government benefits, their votes are always going to uphold the system.

Blogger crazyivan498 January 20, 2016 4:17 PM  

the baby boomers make terrible patients. They have no desire to change their unhealthy ways and want to pop a pill to fix all there problems. typical boomer profile is overweight, diabetic with high resistance to insulin, congestive heart failure and back pain.

Anonymous Signs of Alzheimer's January 20, 2016 4:21 PM  

@117 Curtis

Come on! Aren't you all the generation you have been waiting for? Oh. I forgot. But daddy and mommy made me into surfs, so we can't DO anything about it, because daddy and mommy ef'ed us up.

The word is serfs, not surfs.

Anonymous Headcannon January 20, 2016 4:22 PM  

@117 "It's daddy and mommy's fault!"

The Boomer's rallying cry. Why are you using it to insult Gen X, Gen Y, and Millenials? You were the ones who came up with it.

Blogger JaimeInTexas January 20, 2016 4:24 PM  

95. Austin Ballast
"Though the idea of taking away the chaff early goes against the Biblical principle of waiting until the end of the age."

That passage has to do with the end of time.

The separation of wheat from weed, the sheep from goat and saints/condemned.


Anonymous GenXTC January 20, 2016 4:28 PM  

"Millennials are fucking terrible, but at least some of them know it. And they don't get butthurt when someone says their generation is fucking terrible."

The primary Millennial retort appears to be "of course we're terrible and retarded. How could we not be?"


This retort is similar to the second best WAR ON DRUGS tell-a-vision propaganda from the 80's (With "This is your brain...this is your brain on drugs. Any Questions?" being #1).


YOU ALLRIGHT! I LEARNED IT BY WATCHING YOU!

Blogger Anchorman January 20, 2016 4:29 PM  

We've been forced to hear their bullshit about themselves for literally our entire lives.

Growing up, it seemed like every TV show focused on that generation.

Whenever Boomers moved through a phase in life, it became "the most important subject we need to discuss on a national level."

It seems like every ten years, the nation's treated to XX (age) is the "new 30s."

And now that they're old, my viewing experience has to include Viagra commercials. Previous generations aged with more dignity, like my father and mother.

Blogger Markku January 20, 2016 4:31 PM  

Yeah, silents were kinda... silent.

Anonymous WillBest January 20, 2016 4:31 PM  

Not to pass on the boomer hatefest, but why aren't their parents ever vilified with the same level of disdain? The cancerous government growth, free trade, open borders, anti-nationalism, unnecessary international dickering was well underway by the time the boomers came to economic and political power in the early 1990s.

I really can't look at the civilization destroying behavior of the boomers over the last 25 years to be all that much worse than that of the GG/Silent the 40 odd years prior. Is their crime greater because they had more information available to them?

Blogger kh123 January 20, 2016 4:32 PM  

@148

It's the next step after the forward offloading of debt. It's their version of transmitting a cultural inheritance - with a bit of a Nuremberg Defense twist to it.

Blogger Markku January 20, 2016 4:32 PM  

Not to pass on the boomer hatefest, but why aren't their parents ever vilified with the same level of disdain?

Because we all remember our grandparents, and go "those people were friggin' AWESOME!"

Anonymous Spartacus xxxxx January 20, 2016 4:33 PM  

@127. Napoleon 12pdr

All discussions of a 20-year generation suffer from a sample rate that is too low, and produces false results. A POLITICAL cohort is about 10 years, maybe 12...and seems to start at mid-decade. And after thinking about it, there's a certain cycle to them...

That's an interesting model. The Fourth Turning Model does have a coarseness to it, and completely fails around the Civil War Era anyways. It also failed in its Crisis prediction, which was supposed to have occurred ten years ago. Not that it's all wrong, just coarse and flawed. Your finer-grained model captures things like the media-implanted musical 'tastes' better, for one example.

Disclaimer: I am not from Boomer/Gamma Gen, nor from GenX, nor Millennial, nor from any other #WrongGen or #wrongyear. I self-identify as born in #RightYear of #rightgen. Please respect that.

Anonymous Faceless January 20, 2016 4:34 PM  

@117

I am greatly puzzled by this salt pillar metaphor as you are invoking it. I get that you're trying to call people who criticize Boomers or anyone else Lot's wife for not actively going out and doing something. However, I'm just not seeing the metaphor stretch that far. Isn't one of the purposes of ridiculing the Boomers to not be like them? Ridicule is one of the most potent weapon at normalizing behavior away from the target of ridicule - the prophets and Jesus himself would hold out examples of how not to behave. Was Jesus no better than a pillar of salt when he criticized the Pharisees? Was he no better than a pillar of salt when he used the parable of the good Samaritan to make fun of the teacher of the Law? It just doesn't make sense - you put the scarlet letter on the adultress so that little children will see, understand, and not follow the in the path of her whoredom...

Blogger Chris Eastlund January 20, 2016 4:36 PM  

@Student in Blue

Allow and accept? That's true of each generation from 1883 when Marx was laid to rest. Each generation since then has succumbed to a greater extent. My parents generation was told that Joseph McCarthy was wrong, my generation was told that Eugene McCarthy was right. It takes a while to work around that kind of nonsense. The current generation in college is being told some nonsense about microaggressions, so it's not getting better.

Getting the history of the problem wrong, leads to a wrong diagnosis and an incorrect cure. Few boomers were serious about using Mz, and hopefully few young folks are serious about using zhe, zim, etc. But you see how things have progressed. What the young folks have that we didn't have is an alternative to the voices of the Cronkites of the world.

The boomers may not be blameless, but using them as a scapegoat is counter productive. One could make the argument that the current generation of young adults in Germany is particulary dangerous. But you'd be misdiagnosing if you did not take ethnic background into consideration. The SJWs did start blooming in the boomer years, but it was intentional and funded by organizations established well before the boomers.

Blogger Nate January 20, 2016 4:45 PM  

"Yeah, silents were kinda... silent."

Talk to one. Their contempt for the Boomers possibly surpasses even GenX's.

Anonymous Beach_Bum_13 January 20, 2016 4:47 PM  

I get the whole "Boomers Suck" (and they do mostly) thing, but given the magnitude of the social change over the period (1946-1964), it's a hard case to make that someone born in 1946 or 47 (first eligible to vote in Nixon v Humphrey) has anything close to the same outlook on life as someone born in 1962 (first eligible to vote in Carter v Regan) or 1964 (first time to the polls meant Regan v Mondale).

Blogger Curtis January 20, 2016 4:52 PM  

@120

You first.

Hilarious.

It's the nature of things.

Rise up! Rise up X'ers and Y'ers! Rise up and throw off the yoke of daddy and mommy, who wouldn't throw off the yoke of grandpa and grandma, who wouldn't throw off the yoke of great-grandpa and great-grandma! Rise up and stop wallowing in your emotional butt-hurt! Don't wait for the Boomers to die so there are no witnesses left to you still wallowing in your emotional butt-hurt! Show those Boomers you mean business! Throw off the yoke!

@146

And it is grandpa's and grandma's fault that more and more babies are ending up hospitalized because they are too fat. Then, of course, we apply your little list of what is medically wrong with Boomers, to X'ers and Y'ers, and POOF it's daddy and mommies fault! Here is a hint. Stop waiting for daddy and mommy to pull the beam out of your eyes and pull it out yourselves. And damn daddy and mommy for bringing us tech that brought us iPhones and iPads making the X and Y'ers ending up hospitalized because their eyes are glued to their gadgets!

Rise up. Well, those of you who see beyond the wall, and are not fixated on daddy and mommy. Be THAT generation. It's okay! I am rootin and-ah tootin for ya! The majority of myu generation hasn't removed the yoke of their daddy and mommies, maybe you'll be that generation?

Blogger Markku January 20, 2016 4:54 PM  

Don't wait for the Boomers to die

There's not much waiting required.

Blogger Student in Blue January 20, 2016 4:57 PM  

@Chris Eastlund
Allow and accept? That's true of each generation from 1883 when Marx was laid to rest. Each generation since then has succumbed to a greater extent.

Not sure how much they "succumbed" to Marxism and Anarchism in the 1870s-1950s, considering they physically fought them, but it's certainly true that Marxism gained in strength.

When 60s counter-culture happened, Boomers were still a little young then to be in charge of it, but I don't recall them rejecting it and calling it ridiculous. Likewise, 70s and early 80s. Then around late 80s/early 90s should have been the timeframe when a lot of them came into power - the time Political Correctness made its surge and was essentially accepted by Congress.

The current generation in college is being told some nonsense about microaggressions, so it's not getting better.

The current generation in college is figuring out sooner and quicker what a conjob the modern college experience is now, too. The people blindly accepting these crackpot theories always windup being the small hardcore (SJWs) or the really old "conservatives" who are concerned with offending people and feelings.

Really though, that was my original point in pointing out the Political Correctness thing - that overall concern with not offending people, and a focus on feelings. It's like a callsign for Boomers in general.

Blogger pyrrhus January 20, 2016 4:57 PM  

I'm a Boomer, and I think our generation has got a lot of 'splaining to do....along with the "Greatest" generation, which fell for socialism hook, line and sinker.

OpenID sigbouncer January 20, 2016 4:58 PM  

@18 TS

"At least you didn't publish my identity.
Why would I take repeated bashings just to help you?
That's not fortitude, that's just common sense."

"Sayonara motherfucker."


If you can't stand a go round or two with Vox and his Dread Ilk then maybe this isn't the place for you? You're obviously not willing to stand your ground for what you believe in. I don't expect you will get much respect here for that.

So go ahead and dicktuck and run mothafucker, dicktuck and run.

Blogger automatthew January 20, 2016 4:58 PM  

Why did Noah curse Canaan, instead of Ham directly?

Blogger Markku January 20, 2016 5:02 PM  

Why did Noah curse Canaan, instead of Ham directly?

Joooooos?

Anonymous WillBest January 20, 2016 5:11 PM  

There's not much waiting required.

That is what you think. The life expectancy of a 70 year old is 14 years for male and 16.5 for female.

Hell, my great aunt is 100+ and her boomer son who is 67, I believe, is still waiting to squander his inheritance. An inheritance I might add that wouldn't exist without her 35+ years of free social security and Medicare.

Blogger automatthew January 20, 2016 5:11 PM  

Judah was a few generations later than that.

Blogger Markku January 20, 2016 5:12 PM  

Joooooos are sneaky that way.

OpenID sigbouncer January 20, 2016 5:13 PM  

@35 TS

"Truth is I hate Boomers as much as Vox does but look at me on the front page of his blog just for standing up to him."

Standing up to him isn't why you're on his front page.



"Sayonara motherfucker."

So this is your view of standing up to someone? You must be French.

Blogger Unknown January 20, 2016 5:14 PM  

Triumph over anti-Boomerism seems like the triumph of an abandoned child over his freedom. We'd probably act like Boomer's too if ours was the first generation living with the knowledge that Man now has the power to blow up the world. Walk a mile with this burden, after the two most deadly wars in history, without the privileges of modernity, or the internet through which to inflict and imbibe every last little personal angst and emotion that exists in the human ego and id, then judge their response.

Bloggers and their sycophantic followers are the new Boomers, who can use the power and freedom of mostly anonymous public expression to insult, impugn, malign, offend and abuse anyone and everyone as they see fit.

Freedom of expression is great, but on the internet it destroys the concept of generational respect, which is like dropping a nuclear bomb on a culture. It decimates the social landscape, vaporising experience and wisdom with folly indiscriminately, thereby exalting orphanhood.

A serious question for Vox Day: why do you suppose the Fifth Commandment "honour thy parents" didn't come with conditions?

Anonymous Athor Pel January 20, 2016 5:16 PM  

"166. automatthew January 20, 2016 4:58 PM
Why did Noah curse Canaan, instead of Ham directly?
"


Considering that the phrase, "uncovered his father's nakedness", could include his mother's nakedness in that husband and wife are one flesh, it is likely Ham used his father's drinking binge to have some sexy time with his mother, producing Canaan, making Canaan a product of incest and thereby cursed.

Blogger Markku January 20, 2016 5:17 PM  

on the internet it destroys the concept of generational respect, which is like dropping a nuclear bomb on a culture

Hallelujah!

Blogger Chris Eastlund January 20, 2016 5:18 PM  

@Student in Blue - Maybe succumbed is the wrong verb. But progressivism has been on the increase in the USA since the days of Teddy Roosevelt.

WWII wasn't a fight against progressives, so much as it was a fight against one strain. We did ally with the Russian version. And FDR had embraced a lot of the progressive ideas in the New Deal. If WWII is to be considered a fight against progressivism, then we lost.

At the time I went to school, since it appeared that we won the wars, the folks in power looked like they knew what they were doing. And in some respects, they did. They lied to us about the history of the wars, about economics and the way the world works, and tweaked the cirricula towards progressive ideas.

College wasn't such a con job when I went to school, so of course it's easier to see today's total con job. Except, that there are so many folks in *-studies programs suggest that you are wrong about how many students see it as a con job.

It's an r/K world we live in, and unfortunately the boomers hit the r-era of increasing wealth and ease. Wealth and ease can may some really smart people total idiots when it comes to politics.

Anonymous TS January 20, 2016 5:22 PM  

@84 I've been waiting for that to get posted.
He could have just let me go quietly.
The minute he published me on his blog, I dug in for this fight.
I don't run from confrontations like most Millenials do.


Anonymous TS January 20, 2016 5:27 PM  

@165 @171
Still here.
That all ya got?

Blogger Giuseppe The Kurgan January 20, 2016 5:27 PM  

AND at 18:
At least you didn't publish my identity.
Why would I take repeated bashings just to help you?
That's not fortitude, that's just common sense.


GAY and Boomer

Blogger Rabbi B January 20, 2016 5:27 PM  

"I don't run from confrontations like most Millenials do."

Very brave.

Blogger Rabbi B January 20, 2016 5:32 PM  

"He could have just let me go quietly."

And . . . you could have just gone quietly . . . like you said you would.

OpenID sigbouncer January 20, 2016 5:32 PM  

@172 Unknown

"A serious question for Vox Day: why do you suppose the Fifth Commandment "honour thy parents" didn't come with conditions?"

I would never speak for anyone else. But I'd be willing to wager TS isn't either one of Vox's parents.

Anonymous TS January 20, 2016 5:35 PM  

@181
Ya never know. I got around back in the day.

Anonymous Headcannon January 20, 2016 5:35 PM  

"I don't run from confrontations like most Millenials do."

No, you just want to suck up all the attention like most Boomers do.

Anonymous TS January 20, 2016 5:36 PM  

@183
I didn't put me on this blog.

Anonymous Bird on a Wing January 20, 2016 5:40 PM  

Not to pass on the boomer hatefest, but why aren't their parents ever vilified with the same level of disdain?

My grandfather-in-law was a Marine on Guadalcanal who was abandoned there by the Navy to the invading Japanese cannibals, with only a quarter of the supplies they needed. He hated, hated, hated, the admiral who gave the order -- 'til his dying day he hated the man.

For similar reasons, Generation X has the same level of regard for the Baby Boomers.

OpenID sigbouncer January 20, 2016 5:41 PM  

@177 TS

"@165 @171
Still here.
That all ya got?"


No, I have more.

You got your ass handed to you by Vox and everyone else here for your dicktuck and run farewell email. And you didn't like the way that tasted. So now you think if you nut up it will garner you some respect. Too late for that. You've already played your hand.

Blogger Rabbi B January 20, 2016 5:46 PM  

"I didn't put me on this blog."

And yet, you're lovin' it. Boomer narcissism, what's not to love?

Anonymous TS January 20, 2016 5:50 PM  

@186
Respect?
This place is 100% anonymous so what difference does it make?

AND you have a magic beanie that tells you what I think?
You are so awesome that I might stay here just because of you.

Blogger Rabbi B January 20, 2016 5:52 PM  

AND . . . my magic beanie tells me that the train is fine.

Blogger Student in Blue January 20, 2016 5:52 PM  

@Chris Eastlund
But progressivism has been on the increase in the USA since the days of Teddy Roosevelt.

That I will agree with you on.

In terms of fighting Marxism/Anarchism: I wasn't talking about WW2, I was talking about the rioting, firebombing, and other violence done in the late 19th century/early 20th century.

Except, that there are so many folks in *-studies programs suggest that you are wrong about how many students see it as a con job.

I thought those numbers were going down in recent years. Hell, I thought college enrollment among natives had been dropping for a number of years too, that's why they import so many students.

Blogger weka January 20, 2016 5:53 PM  

They have no desire to change their unhealthy ways and want to pop a pill to fix all there problems. typical boomer profile is overweight, diabetic with high resistance to insulin, congestive heart failure and back pain.

(I have stopped using numbers as when I use a phone they do not link correctly).

Would co sign. Which is why this Boomer talked his Gen X GF (we both got screwed by the family frivorce court) into paleo and CrossFit, and mutual undoing of the bad habits preached to us by authorities.

Boomers suck, agreed: the changes in law around abortion and the family courts suck more. I think VD chose Italy in part because they have not accepted the EU koolaid on these issues, and still have islands of sanity.

PS. Nate, your analogy of generations as a spectrum is spot on.

Anonymous JI January 20, 2016 5:53 PM  

Something I've noticed is that the generational attitudes don't always line up with the birth years. Many hippies would have been classified as Silent Generation based on when they were born. For example, Abbie Hoffman was born in 1936, Allen Ginsberg in 1926, Ken Kesey in 1935, Joan Baez and Bob Dylan in 1941, ... Yet my parents were conservative Silent generation (had me slightly later in life so I'm an X-er) who simply could not stand hippies or indeed the majority of the Boomer generation. The generation attitude model is a good model, but as with any model it is not perfect.

Blogger Student in Blue January 20, 2016 5:55 PM  

I hope by now everyone sees what a completely emotive and dialectically void thinker TS is.

Blogger LP999 S.I.G. Burnin' Up January 20, 2016 5:59 PM  

It is good TS is present and participating. Has TS apologized to the host? Not that Vox cares but this is a thread for debate no need to dismiss a reply from VD then run then come back.

I might have to ask TS if TS wants to play a game...

Can anyone provide good stats on the boomers, X and mil-len's?

181 We have all loved, forbeared, endured our families. Gen X did our best despite a problematic culture and other issues to dumb us down, drug us up and check us out.

And checked out and objective I remain or try to be when boomer family and boomers around me offline/online start the henhouse.

My grief are all the times I have had to be the adult or the bigger brain (I'm MPAI) when the boomer is acting so surreal - I wonder if its senility, insanity, drugs, its like trying to reason with a teenager - I just employ my "art, situation, nature and leadership" to play zenny. So the boomer or often its said that I'm aloof and am cold when I am clearly not. I made myself available to the nuts for a few tries and give up.

Example: moms gal pals want me as their new Janet, they tried to pal me 3/2015. Mom gave them my number, they called me, call was ok but too boomer. Meaning I do not belong around the over 55 over 65 club unless its family or a close fam freidn.

The shame is that they'd call, start their dialogue and I tested them. I placed the phone down as 311, Rancid, Soul aslym or Duran D plays in the background. I come back to the phone 5 mins later and they are still talking. This has happened about 10 times with 5 different boomers. They never suspect, ask, or inquire if I'm still there or not. After one more sentence I state gotta go, my boyfriends here. Which isn't true but great tattle tales! To which the gal pals call mom about. It was great fun although no one thought I was funny.

One time I used a line from BH Gang, its so funny, "...I'd rather be raped by clowns again.." It means another call to mommy.

What else can I do? I don't want to spend my day with 5 women over 60 at a mall. Introverted as I remain my groups and I are age appropriate. Sadly I find it social terrorism or gen x abuse if I have to spend too much time in conversations or time with them, its oil and water.

Meanwhile I have to cope with the age n' decline.

Blogger Rabbi B January 20, 2016 6:00 PM  

@193

Well, we did criticize the generation he personally and so bravely represents.

Anonymous Robert L January 20, 2016 6:01 PM  

Is it tinfoil to suggest that the intergenerational knives are being helped out of their sheaths by the same people who are, via BLM etc, setting black against white, and via feminism men vs. women? If you are going to collapse the pension system of Western economies, it helps if the under 50's respond with a blue cheer.
One other point I haven't seen yet is that the Boomers last gasp will be a general transfer of power to Millenials, because us X-ers give them the cold pricklies.

Anonymous Conspiracy Guy January 20, 2016 6:14 PM  

@167 Joooooos?

I thought it was either the Pleiadians or Atlantean Illuminati on that one. Could have been Antediluvian Cainites influencing what became the Ventrue though...

Anonymous SDH January 20, 2016 6:26 PM  

Get in the hole, you bastards.

That might be the funniest line I've seen here since "You ain't got no chili."

Blogger RobertT January 20, 2016 6:27 PM  

164. I'm a Boomer, and I think our generation has got a lot of 'splaining to do.....

I'm a boomer too, but I don't take responsibility for everything they've done. I was in line at a grocery store not along ago stuck in line behind a boomer who was taking his sweet time admiring the hundred bills in his wallet before paying the clerk who was waiting patiently for it. I told him if he wanted to admire his money should pay his bill and get the hell out of our way so we pay our bills. I told him to take his best shot, which he wisely refrained from doing. I hate to say it, but despite I'm a boomer myself, this is the kind of person I think of when people talk about boomers. Oh to be three months older.

Blogger RobertT January 20, 2016 6:28 PM  

left our a few sentences. fill in the blanks.

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