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Tuesday, January 19, 2016

Memento mori

For me, the best thing about all these Baby Boomer icons beginning to die off is the way that the godless narcissists who made a quasi-religion of them are in total despair about what it says about something they have denied for decades, namely, their own mortality. I don't think Ed Driscoll is GenX, but he sounds as if he is in this take on the Eagles' breakup:
So let me get this straight: throughout the documentary, a running leitmotif is that the band was desperate to add some decent rock under their soaring harmony vocals. The band fires British superstar engineer-producer Glyn Johns (whose previous resume included the Stones, the Who, the Beatles, and Led Zeppelin’s first album) because he emphasized their harmonies and country sound. In response, they bring in Joe Walsh to rock out. And finally, when their other guitarist does something that’s actually rock and roll and utters a punk rock-style sneer to corrupt power, the entire band implodes?

Perfect.
But I'm glad for the many fans of the Eagles that they got one last chance to see the band on tour last year. I'm told it was an excellent concert; while I wasn't a fan myself, I had a lot of respect for them as songwriters.

Still, the Baby Boomers are dying, and soon we will have a chance to remake the civilized world they spent fifty years doing their damndest to destroy. Let's learn from their mistakes, shall we?

We have certainly learned that nothing good ever comes of believing yourself to be eternally young and cool. And wisdom and experience should always be respected, not dismissed out of hand.

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Blogger Markku January 19, 2016 5:28 AM  

Countdown to snowflake

Blogger bub January 19, 2016 6:06 AM  

As they've aged...

40 is the new 30!

50 is the new 30!

60 is the new 30!

Slight adjustment seen recently:

The 70s are the new cool!

Expected soon:

Dead babes rock!

Blogger Phillip George January 19, 2016 6:11 AM  

an alcoholic who died in her bath tub.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvPYXHM94DQ

I don't know if genX could have a better anthem or ambassador.

Every single word of that song is full of it.

Anonymous Mathias January 19, 2016 6:15 AM  

You know what's funny? Even the memories aren't that cool anymore. Woodstock, The Haight, both were media creations for the most part. It seemed "Cool" at the time, but looking back as someone who came after, the watershed was not what they were doing at the time, but the new scientific advertising techniques they were using to promote it. That's not to say that guys like Bowie and Frey were not talented, they certainly were. But something was lost in that generation's inability to move on from their youth and to look beyond what their own youth represented and it's consequences. So goes the greatest Echo Chamber in history, slowly consumed by Father Time. "Cool" meant you needed to put on a jacket outside before they came along anyway. It itself was a media creation/promotion designed to ensnare the attention and approval of the youth of the time, and to promote the opinions of the young over the experience of the old. May future generation pursue Eudemonia instead.

Blogger Ahazuerus January 19, 2016 6:21 AM  

The unifying theme is that it's not enough merely to keep silent through their idiot sentiment. No, you are required to genuflect before the tombs of their dead gods.

I commented after Bowie's death to the effect that I mourn no celebrity more than anyone else I never knew. I might respect their talent but dying doesn't make them special.

Oh the wailing and gnashing. More hysteria than they give a mass rape.

Anonymous Real Boomers January 19, 2016 6:31 AM  

So much for "Peaceful Easy Feeling."

North Charleston, South Carolina, police say a woman is charged with cutting her housemate with kitchen knives because he wouldn't stop playing music by the classic rock band The Eagles.

The 54-year-old woman was arrested early Tuesday and booked on "criminal domestic violence of a high and aggravated nature." In plain language, cops say she knifed the victim -- her former boyfriend -- because he wouldn't stop playing the band known for hits including "Hotel California," "Heartache Tonight" and "Desperado."

Blogger Joe Keenan January 19, 2016 6:44 AM  

@4 Spot on! Even when I was a kid most popular music left me cold. I saw most Rock Stars as posturing buffoons. As I got older, I saw the music as perpetually adolescent, never growing, it just stays the same or regresses. When Jagger made Long Black Veil with the Chieftain's I realized how much time and talent Jagger and the Stone's wasted on juvenile music. I remember Jagger (?) saying, "I don't want to be singing Jumpin' Jack Flash when I'm 70." Well, he most likely will and that says it all about Rock and Roll.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr January 19, 2016 6:47 AM  

I'd bet Driscoll is a Baby Buster in his late 40s or early to mid 50s. The notion of 20 year political/ cultural generations is a crock. Nobody detests the Brat Boomers more than we Baby Busters....we got stuck cleaning up their mess.

Anonymous Hartwick January 19, 2016 6:58 AM  

I'm just surprised that Joe Walsh wasn't the first to go. He was the doddering drunk while Frey was the gym rat.

Blogger YIH January 19, 2016 6:59 AM  

@5. Ahazuerus:
I might respect their talent but dying doesn't make them special.
His only hit post-Eagles hit was a song written for a TV show. After that his only noteworthy achievement was reuniting with his former Eagles bandmates for a reunion album and tour because their 80's solo careers had petered out.
Can anyone think of anything noteworthy that Glen Frey did in the past 20 years?
I didn't think so.

Anonymous Hartwick January 19, 2016 7:10 AM  

#9 YIH: "His only hit post-Eagles hit..."

'The Heat is on' and 'You belong to the City' were both bigger hits than 'Smuggler's Blues', but all three were more like 30 years ago.

Blogger peter blandings January 19, 2016 7:14 AM  

i'm a baby boomer. but my high school experience was very atypical from the vast majority of them. i had to deal first hand with the spear chuckers they idealized, so i knew reality from a very early age and never succumbed to the idiotic idealism and lies, and hypocrisy that they lived by. it's true that they did an astounding amount of damage. i'm not even sure it can be reversed. you have to realize that affluence ALWAYS leads to effeminacy and effeminacy is madness and the absence of logic. every empire has had its baby boomers. a generation that was born rich. that's why every empire falls. time and chance happeneth to them all. but because they are old now that collapse is at hand, they will suffer far more for their folly than you who are young. it is a kind of justice i guess.

Anonymous 636 January 19, 2016 7:15 AM  

Henley is the real Eagles talent, though a more devout leftie automaton is hard to come across. I'll miss Henley when he goes, but all the worst Eagles songs were the Frey tunes.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan January 19, 2016 7:15 AM  

If I were Tyrant Rex I would outlaw Rush.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan January 19, 2016 7:18 AM  

Since most of the BB are not of the vaunted "protected classes" their deaths will be celebrated all right, as a good thing.

Blogger YIH January 19, 2016 7:20 AM  

@10 Hartwick:
'The Heat is on' and 'You belong to the City' were both bigger hits than 'Smuggler's Blues', but all three were more like 30 years ago.
I thought those were Eagles songs I stand corrected
From the Whackopedia link:
In the late 1990s, Frey founded a record company, Mission Records, with attorney Peter Lopez.[15] Frey never released any of his own work on the label and the company has since disbanded.[16]

On May 8, 2012, he released his first solo album in 20 years, After Hours, featuring covers of pop standards from the 1940s to the 1960s.

Like I said, nothing noteworthy in the past 20 years. Kinda pathetic actually.

Anonymous Takin' a Look January 19, 2016 7:23 AM  

Oh Christ save us....get ready for another 300 comment thread.

Is it da joooos? Da illuminaughty? Guns, drugs, rock n roll-a? Even politics?

No, it's the Baby-Boomers, fuck me man, it's ALWAYS 1965 with those a-holes. A more narcissistic bunch I've yet to meet. Couple that with Cultural Marxism and the pozzening was guaranteed.

Blogger YIH January 19, 2016 7:24 AM  

http://www.glennfrey.com
Not linked. Because it doesn't exist.

Anonymous No January 19, 2016 7:24 AM  

Joe Walsh was brought in to rock it up? Dolly Parton would have been closer.

Anonymous Takin' a Look January 19, 2016 7:28 AM  

@ Peter Blandings

My hat's off to you. My Condolences you had to suffer that.

Blogger rumpole5 January 19, 2016 7:36 AM  

ANOTHER Boomer rant?!! Please! The present "Boomer" aspects of our culture that you pups decry are simply the dark side of trends that have been developing for centuries in the Western world. Boomers are pikers in evil doing compared to Robespierre and his gang in the French revolution. Likewise Napoleon, Hitler, Stalin, and Mao. When this Boomers was a child, downtowns were gray, drab and covered with coal dust. Many people still had out houses.  It was not the Father-knows-best paradise that the Millennials think that it was. Like many generations, Boomers were young and foolish and failed to appreciate the good aspects of our father's values while understanding their shortcomings. You GenXers and Millennials are making the same mistake, to wit: failing to honor your fathers and mothers. You will pay a price for that mistake, just as we Boomers did.

Blogger YIH January 19, 2016 7:37 AM  

Out of curiosity I checked, Don Felder is still alive.
Boy, did Frey and Henley treat him like shit.

Blogger Nate January 19, 2016 7:40 AM  

Applying Glubb's lifecycle of great nations to the USA I find that the 1950s are what he calls High Noon. Its the peak where the nation goes from expanding to declining. For the US... that's the 1950s. Economically and militarily the US is the most powerful country in the world then. No question about it. The baby boom in this regard is the first post-high noon generation. And they embodied everything Glubb writes about in the patterns he saw in the fall of empires. They reject everything that built the great nation.

So when we blame them for everything.. there is good reason for it. All they had to do is keep going in the same direction as their parents. All their parents had to do was not spoil them.

On the other hand... this pattern has played out in a dozen different empires. why should this one be different?

By the by... Glubb sites an average life span of 250 years for Great Nations.

1776 to 2026?

Anonymous Mathias January 19, 2016 7:41 AM  

@6, Same for me, I enjoyed songs like Hotel California and Space Oddity, but my mainstays are the Heavy Metal that came out of the Acid Rock era. It seems that the rockers who were worth anything went into that after the 60's hangover in the 70's ended. And a bunch of them were still worthless (looking at you shock rockers). But you compare the heavily promoted Eagles and Beatles and your other corp-rock bands to more recent fare such as Steve Vai, Petrucci, the guys from Dream Theatre, Buckethead, Devin Townsend and it's easy to see where the real inspiration went. It grew up and left and did it's own thing without the glamour or the glory. Art for it's own sake and beauty is the adult path, and I think that the gestalt of the baby boomers blinded them to this. They only ever used such things as social proofing totems first, and as art second. How could they realize the fullness of what art is supposed to embody when they never had sight of the true goal to begin with?

Blogger Josh January 19, 2016 7:42 AM  

When this Boomers was a child, downtowns were gray, drab and covered with coal dust. Many people still had out houses.

Yeah man, you changed the world, man.

Anonymous #3254 January 19, 2016 7:43 AM  

Philip George wrote, an alcoholic who died in her bath tub.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvPYXHM94DQ

I don't know if genX could have a better anthem or ambassador.

Every single word of that song is full of it.


Actually, Whitney Houston was born in 1963, which would make her a very late Boomer according to most of the dorks who try to draw the generation lines. A better example would have been Curt Cobain, a self-pitying, angst-ridden junkie who actually represents the cohort you're trying to shit on.

Blogger YIH January 19, 2016 7:43 AM  

@18 No.
Actually it's true.
Felder and Walsh were brought in specifically to 'de-cuntry' the band.

Blogger VD January 19, 2016 7:50 AM  

ANOTHER Boomer rant?!!

Count on it until they're all dead and gone. Which is when they will finally stop insisting that they are the New 30.

Blogger VD January 19, 2016 7:58 AM  

1776 to 2026?

Pretty close to my 2033, neh?

So when we blame them for everything.. there is good reason for it. All they had to do is keep going in the same direction as their parents. All their parents had to do was not spoil them.

Exactly.

You GenXers and Millennials are making the same mistake, to wit: failing to honor your fathers and mothers. You will pay a price for that mistake, just as we Boomers did.

There is literally nothing to honor. It's not a mistake; how would one go about honoring self-serving narcissists who refuse to grow up anyhow? We are already paying the price for your mistakes; you destroyed the USA because you wanted to be cool.

The sin of GenX is not failing to honor the dishonorable. The sin of GenX is despair and nihilism.

Anonymous No January 19, 2016 7:59 AM  

Walsh, who slowed down to annunciate the word "Maserati" and had a solo hit about bowling...that's funny right there.

Blogger YIH January 19, 2016 8:01 AM  

@25. #3254:
A better example would have been Curt Cobain, a self-pitying, angst-ridden junkie who actually represents the cohort you're trying to shit on.
[link has NSFW ads] I really can't think of anyone more overrated than Cobain.
Blowing him away was the only good thing Courtney Love ever did.

Blogger dienw January 19, 2016 8:37 AM  

Baby Boomer here: I went country in the early 60s when pop got unbearably syrupy: yep, I went country before country was cool - and before that song. Now, I listen to country folk singers with voices such as Emmylou Harris' because Country music has become trash.

But all your comments about baby boomer music is just silliness: popular music has been under deep state control for decades, even the 30s and 40s; do you think the PTB are going to let something that infuential be uncontrolled?

Blogger Chris Mallory January 19, 2016 8:39 AM  

"how would one go about honoring self-serving narcissists who refuse to grow up anyhow?"

Yeah, we get it Vox, you have daddy issues. I guess having your old man in the joint will do that to you.
All of the Boomers I have ever known did grow up. They were raised poor, were drafted and sent to Viet Nam. They came home and got jobs and raised families. They served as deacons in their churches. They coached their kid's sports teams. You are nothing but a copy of those Boomers you despise, a rich kid rebelling against your daddy.

Blogger Nate January 19, 2016 8:40 AM  

"You GenXers and Millennials are making the same mistake, to wit: failing to honor your fathers and mothers. You will pay a price for that mistake, just as we Boomers did."

Gen X didn't have parents you blithering idiot. Latch Key kids remember? Look at the divorce rates the boomers experienced in childhood... then compare them to the divorce rates X experienced in childhood.

In 1950 when the boomers were kids... a kid with divorced parents was pitied by most of the neighborhood.

In 1980 when Gen Xers were kids... about half the kids you met had divorced parents.

To the extent that they had parents at all that is.

Blogger dienw January 19, 2016 8:42 AM  

No, it's the Baby-Boomers, fuck me man, it's ALWAYS 1965 with those a-holes.

Yeah, it's a pain in the ass to walk past the local university seeing all those aging baby boomers wearing their tie-dyed t-shirts...no... wait... they're teenagers, generations of which who have not been able to come up with a new costume in forty years.

Anonymous Ryan January 19, 2016 8:42 AM  

As bad as my generation dropped the ball, it was nothing compared to our ancestors who allowed women's suffrage. Comparing spaced out hippies to those dumbasses is like comparing an ant hill to Mt. Everest.

So we all get old and die, and we all are on equal footing there.

When I see the mis-shapen blobs stumbling around, tapping on their phones, bad posture, tattoos, piercings, blue hair, pants hanging down, kinks in their necks, arms the size of toothpicks...I am amazed.

The boys at the gym typically can not do a single pullup. Even the thin ones. The girls in zumba class are so fat, they have spare tires around their spare tires.

Recent news reports tell us the X'ers are killing themselves with prescription pills and lethargy faster than they are reproducing.

Meanwhile, fat bleached blonde white landwhales are having mulatto kids, and young people gladly sign petitions to outlaw everything from the Bill of Rights to the entire constitution.

Once the wealth of the boomer generation is pissed away by this incompetent generation of know nothings, you will be easy pickings for the hordes of brown invaders coming in to easily conquer you and take your landwhales away.

Anonymous Mathias January 19, 2016 8:46 AM  

@34 You mistake the aesthetic of a generation for it's substance. The tie-dyed shirts are not the issue that later generations have with the Boomers. Furthermore, I doubt the students who wear those shirts today have any actual connection to the people who originally wore them, as the (real) Hippies were a very small subculture in the overall boomer wave. You might as well argue since most baby boomers got into country music in the 90's that wearing a cowboy hat is a sign of trying to be like them.

Blogger VD January 19, 2016 8:48 AM  

Yeah, we get it Vox, you have daddy issues. I guess having your old man in the joint will do that to you.

I don't have Daddy issues. I'm one of the few who has resolutely stood by him.

You are nothing but a copy of those Boomers you despise, a rich kid rebelling against your daddy.

You're a butthurt Baby Boomer and a liar. But I repeat myself. You Boomers are so fucking narcissistic and delusional that you're STILL defending your idiot generation.

Your generation did exactly what it said it wanted to do. You changed the world. The problem is that you changed it for the worse and now everyone younger and cooler hates you for it. Too bad. You rejected Western civilization, and those who will fight to save it have rejected you.

Once the wealth of the boomer generation

You don't have any wealth. What you had, you spent, and then you borrowed in order to keep spending. It's already gone, you just haven't had the debt called in yet.

Blogger Christopher January 19, 2016 8:50 AM  

I saw that documentary. Good catch by Driscoll with the punk truth to power aspect.

The angle I thought they were playing up, or letting Frey and Henley play up, was the 'well, Felder had a wife and kids by then so naturally he was more concerned with money whereas we were young and unattached and more idealistic blah blah blah.'

Meanwhile it was 1980, they were all almost the same exact age, and, in other parts of the documentary, including the contemporary interviews, it was made absolutely clear Frey and Henley were shagging chicks left and right. Maybe the takeaway should be less about The Keating Five and more about Paul VI?

Anonymous Takin' a Look January 19, 2016 8:51 AM  

@ VD


The sin of GenX is not failing to honor the dishonorable. The sin of GenX is despair and nihilism.

Yes, our generational co-horts have huge problem with that. We are isolated, atomized like no other before us and sadly, it extends to the generations after us. white death rate increases among the young

There simply is nothing to look forward to.

Anonymous Bobby Farr January 19, 2016 8:53 AM  

In fairness,the Great Society programs responsible for destroying America were a product of the WWII "Greatest" generation and the landslide victory they gave to LBJ over Goldwater. The Baby Boomer contribution to America's death was basically to openly support the depraved left wing philosophy underlying these programs while the WWII generation at least generally needed to be lied to and fed propaganda.

Blogger Nate January 19, 2016 8:54 AM  

"When I see the mis-shapen blobs stumbling around, tapping on their phones, bad posture, tattoos, piercings, blue hair, pants hanging down, kinks in their necks, arms the size of toothpicks...I am amazed."

Peak Boomer. Shit all over the bed... then blame the sheets for stinking.

Blogger VD January 19, 2016 8:55 AM  

So we all get old and die, and we all are on equal footing there.

Every other generation in the world always knew that. You Boomers were dumb enough to adopt "never trust anyone over 30" as a motto, to say nothing of "hope I die before I get old". No other generation has feared age and death the way yours did.

GenX was repeatedly told we were all going to die young in a nuclear holocaust. We thought living to old age would be about the greatest thing we could imagine.

Blogger Nate January 19, 2016 9:03 AM  

" We thought living to old age would be about the greatest thing we could imagine."

Precisely. The difference is obvious. Boomer grew up hating the old.. and swearing they would never be that.

Gen X grew up thinking "I can't wait to be 85 years old." And if you think about it makes sense. boomer never grew up.. and now their idiot attitude is out-whack with their aged broken bodies.

Gen X is the opposite. The tired, jaded, hopeless nihilism was bizarre coming from young kids. But it is perfect coming from a bored old man.

Blogger Tank January 19, 2016 9:05 AM  

60% of 18-29 year olds voted for Obama.
55% of 30-39 year olds voted for Obama.
48% of 40-49 year olds voted for Obama.
47% of 50-64 year olds voted for Obama.
44% of 65 + voted for Obama.

Blogger VD January 19, 2016 9:06 AM  

Correct for race, Tank.

Blogger Happy Housewife January 19, 2016 9:07 AM  

Had just mentioned to my husband that Boomers must be freaking out now that their icons are beginning to die off from natural causes. Imagine their despair and desperation at facing the reality of aging when Paul McCartney dies.

Anonymous Bobby Farr January 19, 2016 9:08 AM  

@44 Did you take into account the Boomers' replacement of the younger generation with foreigners? Import barbarian hordes and get a 1/2 Kenyan Marxist in the White House.

Blogger Nate January 19, 2016 9:09 AM  

Boomer still can't grasp that every negative thing they say about their kids and grand kids is a direct negative reflection on them.

Anonymous Quartermaster January 19, 2016 9:11 AM  

I was born in '54 and the so called boomer generation can stand, or fall, on its accomplishments (many) and it's failures (also many). While the country ids a mess, the boomers didn't do it all alone. The new deal and Great Society scams of FDR and LBJ were not put in place by the boomers, but by the scammers that gave us the second world war. That same generation degraded higher education and the left of the boomer generation took it and ran with it to give us the mess we have now.

Every generation has its sad sacks. Frankly, the current generation seems no better off, and, in many ways, is far worse off.

I wonder who is going to fight the next war. Most kids in this country can't enlist because they are too fat and weak, and the Chinese are seeing the same problem. They've had lower enlistment standards twice in the last 5 years to be able to man their Army.

Blogger bob k. mando January 19, 2016 9:15 AM  

i don't need no steenking sheets.

Blogger Nate January 19, 2016 9:15 AM  

"I wonder who is going to fight the next war. Most kids in this country can't enlist because they are too fat and weak,"

How could they not be. Your dumbass generation banned tag and dodgeball in the name of safety and fairness.

As I said... Bed. Sheets. Stink.

Blogger Tank January 19, 2016 9:17 AM  

Every generation likes the music it grew up with.

Blogger Nate January 19, 2016 9:19 AM  

Driving by the local elementary school the other day.. I see some kids in what was apparently gym class... they were all standing in a line. Taking turns hitting a ball that was tethered to a pole.

This is the system is the fruit of the idiotic seeds the boomers planted.

Blogger Tank January 19, 2016 9:21 AM  

Boomers grew up with the best music. Some of it we even created, and some not.

I can't help that.

Blogger Tank January 19, 2016 9:22 AM  

Nate, that wasn't the kind of schools my kids went to in NJ. That change was post-Boomer. That was you bro.

Blogger Tank January 19, 2016 9:22 AM  

Yep, we Boomers f'd up plenty. We are not alone.

Anonymous Gen X cellar January 19, 2016 9:24 AM  

I am in my mid 40's. I was a divorce-of-course kid, bounced around, no dather, mother a drunk. No positive memories of childhood. I'm over it, in the sense that my wife and kids will never go through any of that.

However, I still ball my fists in anger at the silver-ponytail crowd. I work on a university campus, and they still, two generations later, stand for the subversive "values" that I have watched destroy this nation over the last 40 years. (I remember TV in the 70's- the judeo-marxist putsch was strong, even then.) Their endless sanctimony, truth-to-power b.s., I-got-mine smugness, make me long for the day of ropes and lampposts.

Blogger Aeoli Pera January 19, 2016 9:24 AM  

The sin of GenX is not failing to honor the dishonorable. The sin of GenX is despair and nihilism.

Generation Z will commit the sin universally recognized as unforgivable: weakness.

Seriously, who names these generations? Generation Z was a fantastic choice.

Blogger bob k. mando January 19, 2016 9:25 AM  

49. Quartermaster January 19, 2016 9:11 AM
Every generation has its sad sacks. Frankly, the current generation seems no better off, and, in many ways, is far worse off.



ah, the eternal solipsism of the Boomer mind.

you realize that i've said almost that exact thing previously? on Vox Popoli?

do you know what the difference between GenX/Millenials and Boomers is?

we don't run around telling everybody ( even each other ) that we're the greatest thing to ever happen to the world.

stop telling us how awesome you are. we've been listening to this stupid shit since we were old enough to speak, it's beyond old and tired. we were tired of listening to you blather by the time we were 6.

and Boomer accomplishments? what?

YOU didn't go to the moon, that was all Greatest Generation. YOU didn't stop Hitler or face down Mao in Korea.

you lost Vietnam, you elected Jimmay-Timmay Carter.

did you 'Start the Fire' ( as Billy Joel would have it ). no.

but then, we never accused you of having done so. we, more than most, understand the problem of having a bucket of shit dumped on us and then getting blamed by our elders for our poor personal hygiene.

Anonymous Rolf January 19, 2016 9:28 AM  

I was born right on the cusp of Boomer versus Gen-x - I never felt like either of them for a whole list of reasons. But then, I was hatched in CA, and my parents looked at what was happening around them and thought that it was no place to raise a family, so they moved to Alaska, which is a couple of time zones and several decades away. Great move.

I still shake my head at all the stupid shit the boomers did, and continue to do. But then I look at the Gen-X followers and have to pray things get better for my own kids, but I'm teaching them as best I can.

Blogger Starbuck January 19, 2016 9:29 AM  

Count on it until they're all dead and gone. Which is when they will finally stop insisting that they are the New 30. - VD

Boomers started in 1946 and ended in 1965 depending on who is doing the writing. I was of the late boomers - 1962. A lot of these people you hold up for judgement are older then me by 8+ years. I found them to be oddities as well. As for the new 30's, I have heard that for the last 20 years. 40 is the new 30's, 30 is the new 20's. 50 is the new 30's. I never understood that because a lot of these people are dying in their 50's and 60's. Pfft! So much for being in your 30's.

Yeah man, you changed the world, man. - Josh

Josh, you seem to be (what I have seen in the past) one of the more passionate about getting rid of baby boomers. Let me ask, is this directed at boomers you know or all boomers? If it is directed at all boomers, why? Clearly you can see that the condition of the world is not the fault of all baby boomers, just the political boomers.

Just something to think about, baby boomers didn't start getting into political offices until the mid-late 70's. They didn't start getting into the presidential office until the early 90's (Clinton). Other wise it was the "greatest generation" from the 1960's minus Johnson until 1992 (Bush I). The silents never really had their chance at the presidency. Will GenX be passed over as well?

Blogger Nate January 19, 2016 9:30 AM  

"Nate, that wasn't the kind of schools my kids went to in NJ. That change was post-Boomer. That was you bro."

Sugar tits you don't know how this works. Everything that's happened between say 1980 to 2010 is on Boomers. Gen X only really started coming into power in 2010. See that's how the system works. You don't get trusted with power until you're 40.. and that's just the very beginning.

And again... when these Gen X teachers where college learning.. who were they learning from?

Who taught them this crap?

You did.

Accept it. You set out to change the world and you did. Congrats. Take a bow.

Blogger Markku January 19, 2016 9:30 AM  

Snowflake T minus zero

Anonymous Rolf January 19, 2016 9:31 AM  

@53 - more likely recess, and playing tether-ball. Very popular at elementary schools. Not very aerobic, but good for hand-eye coordination.

Anonymous Athor Pel January 19, 2016 9:32 AM  

Compare and contrast.

Typical Boomer response...
"35. Anonymous Ryan January 19, 2016 8:42 AM
As bad as my generation dropped the ball, it was nothing compared to our ancestors who allowed women's suffrage. Comparing spaced out hippies to those dumbasses is like comparing an ant hill to Mt. Everest.
...
When I see the mis-shapen blobs stumbling around, tapping on their phones, bad posture, tattoos, piercings, blue hair, pants hanging down, kinks in their necks, arms the size of toothpicks...I am amazed.
..."


Pointing and shrieking is about as good as it gets. Every damned time. Getting tired yet Ryan? I bet that arm is getting heavy.



Then GenX...
"39. Anonymous Takin' a Look January 19, 2016 8:51 AM
@ VD
The sin of GenX is not failing to honor the dishonorable. The sin of GenX is despair and nihilism.

Yes, our generational co-horts have huge problem with that. We are isolated, atomized like no other before us and sadly, it extends to the generations after us. white death rate increases among the young

There simply is nothing to look forward to."


They own their shit.

Blogger Nate January 19, 2016 9:35 AM  

"more likely recess, and playing tether-ball. Very popular at elementary schools. Not very aerobic, but good for hand-eye coordination."

Rolf.. come on. The last thing these kids need is hand eye coordination work. Jesus they spend their whole lives gaming.

As for recess... they don't have that down here anymore. like so many education fads... the south east is always 2 generations behind cali or the other coasts. So the free-play recess trend hasn't worked its way back down here yet.

We're still in the authoritarian control every second phase.

Anonymous Nate2ofX January 19, 2016 9:36 AM  

"GenX was repeatedly told we were all going to die young in a nuclear holocaust."

Yea I remember that when I was younger, then when I was in grade school all the sudden everything else was being sold as "scary". People were gonna kidnap you (stranger danger), guns, people offering drugs. Hell when I got to my early teens it made me feel like I did something just not dying up to that point.

I for one am hoping the next Boomer Icon*TM to go is Jackson Brown. Or Neil Young. I even like some of Jackson Brown's music but if you listen to the lyrics it's so nauseatingly Boomer. Every song focuses only on the perspective of Me. No wonder boomers love him so much.
And Neil Young, well he just keeps trying to be the Rocker even though he looks like someone's stretched out ballbag

Blogger Nate January 19, 2016 9:37 AM  

"The silents never really had their chance at the presidency. Will GenX be passed over as well?"

Actually Jimmy Carter was a silent.

Blogger Escoffier January 19, 2016 9:37 AM  

#13 what's with the Rush hate? I love those guys!

Blogger Tank January 19, 2016 9:38 AM  

Nate, you know nothing. I've lived in northern NJ my whole life. My friends, and the people in my neighborhood, for the most part married, stayed married, brought up their kids together, worked very hard, raised money for charities, etc. We were very much like our parents. For the most part, where I live, the women stayed home or worked only during school hours until their kids were in middle school. The changes you're talking about are post my cohort (born in 53). And this is the in liberal metro NY area. We're not all aging rock stars, but we do love the music heroes of our past. Who doesn't?

Own it Bro, you and your pals screwed things up too. And they still are. They're the ones filling up my facebook feed every day with Bernie S.

Anonymous coyote January 19, 2016 9:39 AM  

Vox- in re Tank's figures about race figures for Obama voting; that would be interesting to see. More interesting (to me) is the red county /blue county maps showing nearly all rural counties republican vs the democratic dominated metropolitan centers. White boomers (in our rural neck of the woods) are Christian, patriarchal family oriented, etc: We are Oathkeepers and III percenters, and waiting (prepped) for the Apocalypse. Our draft-dodging Brahmin elite might be boomers, but we have NOTHING in common with those degenerate fvcks who sold the rest of us (and this country) down the river for the love of money. Yes, in the end, we all are going to meet our Maker- Happiness at your elders passing before some of them might "get a shot" at fixing a few problems? There are some aging boomers with "special wisdom" which may help our "progeny" make it through the coming troubles.

Blogger Tank January 19, 2016 9:41 AM  

Nate wants to blame the Boomers for the way we brought up our kids. Are we not the product of our own parents in the same way? Nate?

Blogger Aeoli Pera January 19, 2016 9:44 AM  

@70 Tank,

Nate, you know nothing...They're the ones filling up my facebook feed every day with Bernie S.

You can pick your friends, you know.

Blogger Escoffier January 19, 2016 9:46 AM  

I remember the first time I read this in Guzik's commentary how it struck me...

Rome was full of men who had lost their economic footing and then their moral stability: soldiers who had tasted adventure and had learned to kill; citizens who had seen their savings consumed in the taxes and inflation of war and waited vacuously for some returning tide to life them back to affluence; women dizzy with freedom, multiplying divorces, abortions, and adulteries. (Durant)

To me that describes America and Europe post WWII (maybe WWI) almost perfectly. And I notice this elides over any talk of diversities manifold blessings but I have a feeling it was just as much an issue then as now.

Blogger Aeoli Pera January 19, 2016 9:47 AM  

@72 Tank,

Nate wants to blame the Boomers for the way we brought up our kids. Are we not the product of our own parents in the same way? Nate?

You seem to be mistaken. It's not about whether they are at fault for doing it, it's about how they need to die or else they'll keep doing it.

Blogger Sheila4g January 19, 2016 9:47 AM  

@5 Ahazuerus: "I might respect their talent but dying doesn't make them special."

This. I suppose every generation mourns the passing of the icons of its youth, but the existential angst over an aging rocker's death just bores me. I recall my parents noting as each movie star or crooner died - it was bittersweet, and they definitely noted it as the inevitable passing of an era, but they quietly mourned - they didn't lionize.

I suppose I qualify as tail end of the boomers (born in '58), but I was really too young. I remember in elementary school watching the high school kids walk around in their bell-bottoms - hell, I dressed up as one for my last Halloween in '69. The first kid I ever met with divorced parents was in '70 - and that was because it was junior high and a new group of kids.

Whether it was my contrarian nature, or because I wasn't a big joiner or follower of trends, I never really identified with any era. To this day the music I work out to is music from '75 - '85, because I didn't really listen to the radio much as a teen and I never bought a hearth-throb magazine or poster. All man's idols have feet of clay. All men die. Boomers or rockers, whatever - get over yourselves.

Blogger Tank January 19, 2016 9:48 AM  

Aeoli, then all of the younger generations need to die more, because they "keep doing it" more.

See how that works?

Blogger Nate January 19, 2016 9:49 AM  

"Nate wants to blame the Boomers for the way we brought up our kids. Are we not the product of our own parents in the same way? Nate?"

You are the products of your parents... you pathetic piece of shit delusional snowflake of a boomer.

Which is why... WAY back up at the top of the thread I said, "all their parents had to do is not spoil them"

The Greatest Generation absolutely deserves to blamed just as much as the Boomers. As you say... They spoiled your generation. They are the first ones that rejected the traditional ways. They spoiled their kids... and it all went to shit from there.

And spare us your snowflake bullshit. The fact that I was never a latchkey kid and my parents were never divorced doesn't mean that those national stats are all wrong.

Blogger Nate January 19, 2016 9:52 AM  

Amazing how all these boomers are such special snowflakes

Blogger automatthew January 19, 2016 9:55 AM  

Snowflakes are self selecting. Those of the Boomer generation who agree with the general condemnation aren't going to jump in here and flounce around with indignation.

Anonymous Ryan January 19, 2016 9:57 AM  

Tank, you are pissing in the wind with Nate. He is a god. His parents were bad and let him down. He is angry.

It's not as much fun to place the blame where it belongs..on those men who allowed women's suffrage.

Much better to blame the boomers who had to deal with the wreckage of Rosie the Riveter, the pill, divorce, family destruction, rise of the feminists, and the victimization mentality...all due to the choice of our grandpas who allowed women to vote.

We will never survive that horrible mistake. Society will have to be rebuilt from the smouldering ruins, and those men will hopefully learn from this horrible mistake...if they can read.

Anonymous Nate2ofX January 19, 2016 9:58 AM  

@68 depending which years you accept for the Silents, Carter could also be greatest. Born 1924, the last year for the Greatests according to Wikipedia

HW was born the same year.

Blogger Nate January 19, 2016 10:01 AM  

"His parents were bad and let him down."

***chuckle***

No moron. Nate's parents were, and are, awesome. They worked their asses off for my brothers and me and sacrificed a lot. Now I do what I can to support them because I love them and honor them and they are the Greatest Grand Parents to Ever Walk The Earth.

Of course.. they're Silents... and they hate the Boomers as much as I do...

Blogger Tank January 19, 2016 10:02 AM  

Nate thinks I was spoiled. He doesn't know anything about me. He doesn't know that I walked to school two miles each way, in the snow, and it was uphill both ways, and I carried my baritone sax and my football gear, and I started working when I was 12, and I never stopped, and I, like most of my cohort, worked extremely hard all of our lives to build something for our families.

Let's face it, Nate has some sort of Daddy issue.

At least it's not the Jews.

Blogger Tank January 19, 2016 10:05 AM  

Nate's parents are the best. Wait, they and their generation gave us the Boomers. They raised them, they spoiled them, they f'd up their little snowflake heads. Face it Nate, your parents f'd up. They and their friends ruined this country. Own it Dude. Own it Bro. Own it DudeBro. Lock and loan MF.

Anonymous Nate2ofX January 19, 2016 10:06 AM  

@84 Every Boomer says they were the one who worked hard and deserved what they got, it was the OTHER ones who were frivolous with their money. Basically they don't realize their Generation wielded their power to keep themselves in the focus of popular and professional culture from the mid 60s to the late 90s when they should have faded long before. And even then they only faded in the 90s because they scoffed at adopting new technology, so when the tech boom came, they were phased out, as many just waited it out for retirement rather than learn how to turn a damn computer on.

Blogger Nate January 19, 2016 10:07 AM  

"Nate's parents are the best. Wait, they and their generation gave us the Boomers. "

No dumbass. You don't know how this works. silents didn't raise the boomers. The Greatest Generation did. Silents raised Gen X. Boomers raised Millennials.

Blogger Josh January 19, 2016 10:08 AM  

TL; DR

NABALT

Blogger Nate January 19, 2016 10:09 AM  

"Nate thinks I was spoiled. He doesn't know anything about me"

Are you a chick? I mean normally this level of solipsism is a trait of chicks.

Anonymous Takin' a Look January 19, 2016 10:09 AM  

"Mathias January 19, 2016 8:46 AM
@34 You mistake the aesthetic of a generation for it's substance."

Are we surprised?

Blogger skiballa January 19, 2016 10:14 AM  

Wow, so many senior citizens having juvenile melt-downs.

You guys go ahead and argue about who destroyed the country if you like, but this guy (b. 1980), will continue to prepare to pick up the pieces after it's all over. I will also continue to teach my children(18,16,15,14,and 8) to be self-sufficient, and familiar with firearms, just as my folks (Boomers) taught me.

Blogger Josh January 19, 2016 10:14 AM  

Josh, you seem to be (what I have seen in the past) one of the more passionate about getting rid of baby boomers. Let me ask, is this directed at boomers you know or all boomers? If it is directed at all boomers, why? Clearly you can see that the condition of the world is not the fault of all baby boomers, just the political boomers.

I don't want to get rid of boomers by rounding them up and shoving them into ovens. I do wish they'd shut up about how 1 WE CHANGED THE WORLD CREATED SEX DRUGS AND ROCK and 2 IT'S NOT OUR FAULT.

Also, to your last sentence, politics follows culture. The great tragedy of the boomers wasn't electing the wrong people. It was wasting the greatest economic advantage in human history and borrowing trillions on top of it. They ate the seed corn.

Blogger Nate January 19, 2016 10:18 AM  

Vox = Lucy.

Boomer = Charlie Brown


and this time... Boomer is totally gonna kick that ball.

Blogger Escoffier January 19, 2016 10:19 AM  

#91 Skiballa

Well said!

Blogger rumpole5 January 19, 2016 10:21 AM  

Re: "there is literally nothing to honor" The commandment is not conditional, my brilliant friend. And I note that you claimed to be standing by your own father. I don't know if he is deserving of your commendable actions, but I believe that you will receive the blessing. Honoring your parents is the only one of the 10 that comes with a blessing. I would like to see the GenX and Millennial folk claim it.

Blogger Markku January 19, 2016 10:24 AM  

We shall honor them by seeing how they treated their own parents, and following the path that they so wisely laid before us in how we will treat them.

Blogger Josh January 19, 2016 10:25 AM  

Honoring your parents is the only one of the 10 that comes with a blessing. I would like to see the GenX and Millennial folk claim it.

There's no reason I can't despise boomers as a group and honor my parents. The rest of the boomers aren't my parents.

It's like assuming that when a man says "women ruin everything" he's also saying that his wife ruined his life.

Blogger skiballa January 19, 2016 10:27 AM  

@94 Escoffier

I come from a long line of practical people, and though I'd like my kids to inherit a better world than we did, I would feel like I'd failed them if I didn't prepare them for what's definitely coming. Pointing fingers gets old after a while.

If VD's prediction holds true (and it looks like it will), then it will be my children's generation who shoulder the burden of doing what needs done. Simple really to make sure they're better prepared than the average millenial.

Blogger Chent January 19, 2016 10:28 AM  

It was a slow process.

The elites were abandoning Christianity since the so-called "Enlightenment". They had tried to impose their nihilistic ideas on the masses for centuries and they had failed.

But they had a new chance with the appearance of rock-and-roll (and a market for music especially targeted to young), mass schooling and the TV. With these tools, indoctrination could reach a new level.

The Boomers were the first generation to be massively fed with nihilistic liberalism. They were young and they rebelled against their parents' values because they were indoctrinated with their teachers' values (or the values of their rock stars).

I know that you have not read the Hillary Clinton biography "Living history" (but I did, you must know your enemy). His father was a conservative and she entered college as a conservative and then, shortly after, she became progressive. A change of ideology based on a detailed study of the topics? BS. A kid of her age cannot do that (in fact, she gives no reason for this change). The teachers were progressive so the kids were progressive. And to fit in you had to be progressive.

Previous generations had been mostly raised by their parents: family stayed closed and college was only for a minority. So they reflected their parents' values. This was the first generation that reflected their teachers' values. This is why this was the first generation that rebelled against their parents' values. The elites intellectually cuckolded the masses. (This happens today when a Christian kid goes to college)

When my generation came (that is, Gen X), the dominance of the nihilistic values was complete. This is why VD says that our generation is full of despair and nihilism. They have not known other thing.

Blogger Tank January 19, 2016 10:28 AM  

Nate January 19, 2016 10:09 AM

"Nate thinks I was spoiled. He doesn't know anything about me"

Are you a chick? I mean normally this level of solipsism is a trait of chicks.


I get it now. You're gay. THAT explains it.

Blogger Nate January 19, 2016 10:32 AM  

"I get it now. You're gay. THAT explains it."

No seriously Tank... go on. Keep telling us all about You. Tell us all about how you were special and how none of the generalizations about the Boomers are true... because You.

Because you know we're just all so fascinated by you.

Hey here's a hoop. DON'T JUMP THROUGH IT!

Blogger Josh January 19, 2016 10:33 AM  

I didn't think the gays allowed gingers

Blogger VD January 19, 2016 10:33 AM  

The commandment is not conditional, my brilliant friend. And I note that you claimed to be standing by your own father. I don't know if he is deserving of your commendable actions, but I believe that you will receive the blessing.

You're missing the point. How can a GenXer who doesn't even know his father honor him?

The typical Boomer attitude on display from Ryan and Tank is precisely why they are so uniformly loathed. Unlike them, we always knew that the world was not perfect. Unlike them, we always knew that the world is not a simple and binary place. Unlike them, we grew up, because while we were nihilistic and despairing, we also knew that the past was better.

The Millennials are soft and useless, for the most part. But once the crisis hits, they will harden or die.

The point is not that other generations were perfect. The point is that the Boomers are responsible for what they did. And no amount whining, crying, pointing, and attempting to deflect is going to change that. They changed the world; they made it a lot worse.

And that is exactly how they will go down in history... because we will write it.

Blogger Nate January 19, 2016 10:34 AM  

"Pointing fingers gets old after a while."

No it doesn't.

Boomer Hate is like a nice warm winter fire. It doesn't mean you aren't out chopping wood in the day time. It doesn't mean you're not gonna keep on grinding.

It just means that you can grind...and enjoy the pleasures in life at the same time.

OpenID Jack Amok January 19, 2016 10:35 AM  

You don't have any wealth. What you had, you spent, and then you borrowed in order to keep spending. It's already gone, you just haven't had the debt called in yet.

And you won't be able to sell your inflated real estate for anything either, Boomers, because you've stuck the millennials with too much college debt for them to afford mortgages.

Anonymous rienzi January 19, 2016 10:36 AM  

Nate: "Amazing how all these boomers are such special snowflakes"


Also amazing how all these gen-xer's are such a pack of whining little vaginas.

Life is a crap-shoot and it isn't fair. "Some are born to sweet delight, some are born to endless night."

Deal with it.



Blogger Markku January 19, 2016 10:37 AM  

Boomers collectively failed. Therefore there must be no collective effort to support them.

But a boomer individually succeeded? Great! His kids will obviously appreciate it, and individually support him.

But you succeeded, but your kids hate your guts?

Sucks.

Blogger Josh January 19, 2016 10:37 AM  

The Millennials are soft and useless, for the most part. But once the crisis hits, they will harden or die.

The millennials are the same generational archetype as the greatest generation.

Given good leadership, there might be a lot of dick winters among them.

Anonymous kfg January 19, 2016 10:38 AM  

"I might respect their talent but dying doesn't make them special."

In the case of Hendrix and Joplin* I'm not so sure about that. Can you imagine them as geriatric game show panelists?

Dying when they did was the best career move they ever made.

*Both Silents.

Blogger Starbuck January 19, 2016 10:39 AM  

Actually Jimmy Carter was a silent.

Actually no he wasn't - Jimmy Carter Born October 1, 1924. The end of the Greatest Generation.

Blogger Josh January 19, 2016 10:40 AM  

Btw Starbuck, haven't seen you round these parts in a while. Hope you and yours are doing well.

Anonymous Ryan January 19, 2016 10:41 AM  

Whenever you listen to a post boomer man lambasting the boomer generation, you can rest assured that...

a) he didn't respect his father (if he had one)
b) he didn't respect his mother
c) he has little or no inheritance to look forward to
d) he is in debt up to his eyeballs
e) he hates his job (if he has one)
f) he is angry about not getting a break

While it is clear the demographic time bomb is ticking, where millions of boomers will be soaking up trillions of dollars, it is also true that a smaller portion of boomers have considerable wealth.

The coming battle will be between kids who have no inheritance vs. those who do.

I expect to see large increases in estate taxes, where envious young fatherless kids try to horn in on their luckier brethren who are enjoying the fruits of their more productive and frugal parents.

Those who got a raw deal will give a raw deal to their own kids. And most beneficiaries of wealth will fritter it away on tattoos, breast enhancement, smart phones, junk food, and weight reduction surgeries, those who aren't taken out by walking in front of a bus while texting, or eating themselves to death.

My folks were great. My grandparents were great. And my great grandparents, well they fucked up on the suffrage thing (yyyyyyyyyyugely) but other than that, they were great.

Suffrage doomed us. We're just coasting now, on fire, crankshaft broken, heading over the cliff. Thanks gramps.

Blogger Nate January 19, 2016 10:42 AM  

"Also amazing how all these gen-xer's are such a pack of whining little vaginas."

Remember these statements... when your generation is depending on the charity of Generation X to survive.

Reap what you've Sewn.

Anonymous #3254 January 19, 2016 10:43 AM  

Unlike Boomers themselves, Boomer-Bashing NEVER gets old.

Blogger skiballa January 19, 2016 10:43 AM  

@Nate

Point ceded, pointing fingers can be fun, and sometimes instructive.

However, in my experience, most boomers are pretty good at deflecting blame and claiming victim status, and no surprise, since they taught the Millenials.

So assuming you have arrangements and plans for the eventual fruit of the reasons for pointing fingers, fire away!

Anonymous kfg January 19, 2016 10:46 AM  

@Markku: "Boomers collectively failed."

Boomers collectively failed to even fail. They failed to step up. They coasted.

Just about everything they are accused of, and everything they claim to have done, was actually done by the previous generations.

Blogger Josh January 19, 2016 10:46 AM  

c) he has little or no inheritance to look forward to

Now why would that be?

Blogger Josh January 19, 2016 10:47 AM  

However, in my experience, most boomers are pretty good at deflecting blame and claiming victim status, and no surprise, since they taught the Millenials.

It wasn't their fault! Because reasons!

Blogger Aeoli Pera January 19, 2016 10:49 AM  

@102 Josh,

I didn't think the gays allowed gingers

Gays are disproportionately into gingers. Ask me how I know.

Here's a quick experiment you can do to verify: Google image search "hot blonde" and then "hot ginger". What do you notice?

/sperg #sorry

Blogger skiballa January 19, 2016 10:50 AM  

I don't know, I think I have better future prospects than my Boomer parents, and certainly less debt.

And to echo others, I think Millenials will have a trial by fire, and what comes out of that, god only knows.

Blogger Nate January 19, 2016 10:50 AM  

Ryan.. that's amazingly stupid even for you.

Blogger VD January 19, 2016 10:51 AM  

Deal with it.

We do. We are. We always have. We're not the ones in tears because DAVID BOWIE DIED!!!!

Blogger Josh January 19, 2016 10:53 AM  

Whenever you listen to a post boomer man lambasting the boomer generation, you can rest assured that...

a) he didn't respect his father (if he had one)
b) he didn't respect his mother
c) he has little or no inheritance to look forward to
d) he is in debt up to his eyeballs
e) he hates his job (if he has one)
f) he is angry about not getting a break


Okay, let's play your little game. I am a post boomer man lambasting the boomers. My parents were boomers.

Whenever you listen to a post boomer man lambasting the boomer generation, you can rest assured that...

a) he didn't respect his father (if he had one)

Nope, I respect my father.

b) he didn't respect his mother

Nope, I respect my mother.

c) he has little or no inheritance to look forward to

Nope, they've done well for themselves and they'll leave their five children something.

d) he is in debt up to his eyeballs

Nope

e) he hates his job (if he has one)

Nope. I have a job that I love.

f) he is angry about not getting a break

Nope. I'm not angry, certainly not about any breaks I didn't get. Would it have been nice to grow up in a vastly stronger economy? Yes. But the world is what it is.

So...your little predictive model has failed. Nice job with that.

Blogger Nate January 19, 2016 10:53 AM  

"I don't know, I think I have better future prospects than my Boomer parents, and certainly less debt. "

don't make the boomer mistake of solipsism. Your prospects are not relevant. Its the collective big picture that matters.

for example I always say I'm an optimistic pessimist. Which means I think everything is going to go to shit and most everyone is going to be miserable. But I'm gonna be just fine.

Anonymous NateM January 19, 2016 10:54 AM  

Recently watched (then rewatched) F is for Family, Bill Burr's series, on Netflx and realized how interestingly he portrays just about every generation as they existed in the early 70s when the show was set.

Frank (the father) is a Silent, Korean War Vet. Basically the working man, raising his family keeping his head down. And also exploding with anger about what he sees as stupid in society

Kevin: Oldest son, late boomer (14 at the time of the series) constantly "Rebelling" against his parents generation but doesn't really seem to understand why he is. Always portrayed as kind of a short sighted idiot

Maureen and Bill: the 2nd and 3rd Children, probably 6 and 8. basically the Early/Proto X'ers. Constantly left to their own devices, with zero supervision, Oddly the same as Kevin, although he's the only one who seems to balk at their "Authority" when they try to make him do anything. Basically they are out making slip and slides with tarps on the sidewalk, climbing on construction houses, out in the woods, doing dangerous things that nobody ever seems to know about

Vic: Franks neighbor, probably in his 30s, early boomer. Basically fell ass backwards into a good job, has no family, plenty of cash, and always wants to be the "Cool Guy". Frank just seems to inherently hate him, and everything a bout him.

Chuck: A frequently seen assistant at his father's electronics store. In his early 20's (middle boomer). Also fell into a good gig, and is obnoxious and superior to everyone. Always trying to portray himself as the "cool guy" but he's not, and nobody likes him. Also hated by Frank.

I just can't see that it's an accident that the creators are taking some massive shots at the various generations in this show.

Anonymous Athor Pel January 19, 2016 10:56 AM  

"106. Anonymous rienzi January 19, 2016 10:36 AM
...
Also amazing how all these gen-xer's are such a pack of whining little vaginas.
..."



When someone shows you your sin it isn't whining. In fact calling it whining is a prideful rejection of your obvious and highly visible culpability.

Blogger Happy Housewife January 19, 2016 10:57 AM  

"The millennials are the same generational archetype as the greatest generation.

Given good leadership, there might be a lot of dick winters among them."

Strauss and Howe label them the Hero generations. Millennials just need a good crisis, that's all.

Anonymous Headcannon January 19, 2016 10:58 AM  

http://www.therebel.media/10_reasons_baby_boomers_are_the_worst_generation

It really is embarrassing seeing old folks in their 60s and 70s pretending they are still in their 20s and worse, that they still believe the world improved under their watch.

You've come a long way baby!

Blogger Starbuck January 19, 2016 10:59 AM  

I don't want to get rid of boomers by rounding them up and shoving them into ovens. I do wish they'd shut up about how 1 WE CHANGED THE WORLD CREATED SEX DRUGS AND ROCK and 2 IT'S NOT OUR FAULT. - Josh

I certainly did not create drugs and rock n roll... But I heard many of my friends give that battle cry at school.. "sex, drugs and rock n roll." Sex... that existed way before the baby boomers... God created that. drugs, again before the baby boomers. Rock n Roll (Ironic that rock n roll was a slang reference to sex before they named the white rhythm and blues genre from the 50's"). The boomers didn't create much. Most of the technology you see are improvements upon the previous generations.


Also, to your last sentence, politics follows culture. The great tragedy of the boomers wasn't electing the wrong people. It was wasting the greatest economic advantage in human history and borrowing trillions on top of it. They ate the seed corn.


They did eat the seed corn, but that ball was rolling long before the boomers got into it. The boomers claim and are blamed for changing the world. They didn't change the world, the people who planned and executed the plan to change the world did it. You know the people who planned 3 world wars, global economics, global religion and global government still need to achieve their goals.
No, the boomers didn't plan or execute this. They/Me were the idiots who were the tools of these people that truly changed the world.

You GenX's and Mellinials I really wish you the best in fixing this, but the trend is about every 5 years things get worse. I hope you don't end up the same idiots and tools my generation and the previous generations became. I hope you can be independent of these people. I will tell ya'll this, you will need God. If God wants to clean up the present system or destroy the present system and where it is heading. I am betting destroy the present system.

Blogger Tank January 19, 2016 11:01 AM  

Nate misses the point completely. I'm no special snowflake. I'm one of the millions of Boomers who just worked hard all his life, supported his wife and kids, made some money, and socked some away. I'm not counting on you to support me Bro, you've got your own issues. When you own up to them, come and talk to me man to man, not like whining titty baby. Wah, those Boomers were mean to me. That's gay dude.

Blogger skiballa January 19, 2016 11:02 AM  

Nate, no solipsism, that sums up my mindset fairly well, if you can believe that of a New England Yankee.

You should see the horrified look my father gave me when last we talked about a societal collapse. I said, "Regardless of what happens,we'll be armed, I won't let my family starve."

Too many have lived a soft life for too long, it'll get ugly for a bit, but who knows, maybe I can be a king of my own little hill after all is said and done.

Anonymous No January 19, 2016 11:02 AM  

What is the German phrase for "The Boomer, the!" again?

Anonymous kfg January 19, 2016 11:02 AM  

@Starbuck:

The Boomers were created in 19th century Prussia.

Blogger Josh January 19, 2016 11:04 AM  

Strauss and Howe label them the Hero generations. Millennials just need a good crisis, that's all.

There is a high probability such a crisis will happen.

Winter is coming.

Blogger JWM January 19, 2016 11:05 AM  

"GenX was repeatedly told we were all going to die young in a nuclear holocaust. We thought living to old age would be about the greatest thing we could imagine." (Vox)

I was in elementary school in a suburb of Detroit, Mich in the late 50's and early 60's (born '52) Every Saturday at noon the air raid sirens were tested. We had Fire drills, tornado drills, and H-bomb drills where we were herded into the tunnels built under the school, and made to sit quiet in pitch dark. Television regularly had spots on civil defense, and preparation. I remember sitting by the TV during the Cuban Missile thing, too. We were always told that we'd be a major first strike target because of all the auto industry in Detroit. As a side line- I've traveled quite extensively through these states, and I've heard the "first strike target" story almost everywhere I've been. It was part of the mind set we grew up with.

JWM

Anonymous No January 19, 2016 11:06 AM  

Stop trying to sound cool, old white man, and go die already. Give us back the Social Security you stole before the coffin door hits you in the ass, though. It would be the first thing your kind got right.

Anonymous kfg January 19, 2016 11:10 AM  

@No: "Stop trying to sound cool, old white man, and go die already."

Something to think about: Boomers are still waiting for the Greatest to just die already.

Blogger skiballa January 19, 2016 11:12 AM  

@ JWM

That's nice, we didn't do that by the '80s though, if there where a nuclear exchange, my whole state would have been a glowing crater within the first few minutes, why bother hiding under a desk? We grew up knowing it was pointless.

Blogger Nate January 19, 2016 11:13 AM  

"I'm not counting on you to support me Bro, you've got your own issues."

Yeah you're right.. I've got my own issues... its hard figuring out how to make the most of the tons of blessings God has mysteriously chosen to lay on me and mine.

As the red man says... Endeavor to Persevere.

Anonymous Ryan January 19, 2016 11:13 AM  

Just a couple more points, then it's back to productive stuff...

I love the ilk. I love and respect Vox. I even laugh at Nate's commentary. Vox did indeed stand by his father. It's been great to watch the rise of the manosphere and the take down of the SJW's. I loved SJW's always lie. I loved The Irrational Atheist. I love this comment section. And I am thankful for my good health, my family, and I wish you all the best.

go Trump.

Blogger Gaiseric January 19, 2016 11:17 AM  

@123: One of the main reasons I respect my father and mother so much was because they embraced correct values and rejected the values that many of my generational cohort-mates grew up with.

Luckily, I grew up in an area that was more traditional and conservative than most, so it wasn't as hard as if I'd grown up in some hell-hole like NYC or San Francisco, but still. They stood against the untruth, rejected us, and taught us the same. I can't think of a better way to honor them then to do the same for my own kids.

Blogger Josh January 19, 2016 11:18 AM  

go Trump.

HE'S GOING TO MAKE BOOMERS GREAT AGAIN

Anonymous NateM January 19, 2016 11:34 AM  

If any musician's death typifies Boomers, its GG Allin's

Blogger Tom K. January 19, 2016 11:41 AM  

If you want an authentic feel for the 50s, listen to Stephen King's audio book, "On Writing". It's more an autobiography than a writing book. His images if small town America in the 50s are both clear and sad.

Blogger Tom K. January 19, 2016 11:41 AM  

If you want an authentic feel for the 50s, listen to Stephen King's audio book, "On Writing". It's more an autobiography than a writing book. His images if small town America in the 50s are both clear and sad.

Blogger Starbuck January 19, 2016 11:43 AM  

Btw Starbuck, haven't seen you round these parts in a while. Hope you and yours are doing well. - Josh

Actually I am here everyday. I read all of Vox Days posts. His writings are good reads. I just don't usually comment. Turns out I am an idiot when trying to get my ideas in print. People usually take them all wrong because I write them all wrong. So when I do, I try very hard to be as clear as I can. For the most parts I stopped reading blogs, except VD's. I can't seem to quit his writing. Now this might sound weird, I have never read ANY of his books. You think I would have really liked his books. (shake head at self)

Anonymous Xer January 19, 2016 11:52 AM  

"He doesn't know that I walked to school two miles each way, in the snow..."

Oh God, not the walking in the snow to school crap again. Every goddamn boomer parrots that story. Didn't you clowns have buses back then? You were so stoic to walk in the snow yet even then you turned out to be a bunch of Selfish narcissistic irrational assclowns who cling like hell to the corrupt and bankrupt status quo. Jeb Bush is a perfect example of the typical boomer assclown.

Blogger Adm Trell January 19, 2016 12:01 PM  

These generational discussions are needed. Some have mistaken them as being about "pointing fingers".... no, it's about identifying the mistakes of the past & current generations and then figuring-out how to fix them (or adapting ourselves for the consequences to come). Every generation has made major mistakes and they have to be looked at honestly. In my estimation, many of our societal ills can be traced back to the aftermath of the Civil War... much of the "Progressive" and "Missionary" generations grew up fatherless, embraced the lies of Marx, Darwin, and other European leftists, and as a result, gave us the Federal Reserve, the New Deal, and their disciples got a hold of the universities and corrupted the following generations. The GI generation won WW2, but then completely failed to put a stop to the idiocy of the 60's & 70's, and allowed the (not so) Great Society to be set in stone. So even they deserve some blame for our current situation. Vox, Nate, and et al are correct: the Boomers bear the most responsibility b/c they have the power, they became "the man," and they have by and large squandered our economic inheritance. And yes, I know not all Boomers were hippies.... but what did they do to stop it? As an X'er, it's my mission to fight back against these mistakes, try to wake-up my generation, and prepare my Millennial & Gen Z kids for what's coming.

Anonymous kfg January 19, 2016 12:03 PM  

"Didn't you clowns have buses back then?"

Yes, that's how far the walk was to the bus stop.

Blogger Nate January 19, 2016 12:10 PM  

Boomers complain that they had to walk 2 miles to the bus stop in the snow. Then... when boomers see school buses picking up kids at bus stops... they say, "What's wrong with you people! In my day the bus picked you up at your house!"

Make up your minds people.

Blogger RobertT January 19, 2016 12:12 PM  

We have certainly learned that nothing good ever comes of believing yourself to be eternally young and cool. And wisdom and experience should always be respected, not dismissed out of hand.

This advice is seldom followed.

Anonymous rienzi January 19, 2016 12:16 PM  

126. Athor Pel": 106. Anonymous rienzi January 19, 2016 10:36 AM
...
Also amazing how all these gen-xer's are such a pack of whining little vaginas.
..."


"When someone shows you your sin it isn't whining. In fact calling it whining is a prideful rejection of your obvious and highly visible culpability."

(Sobbing)Yes, yes, I'm so horribly responsible. I... I....(loud sob). Its all my fault, all of it.(Sniveling)The fall of the Roman empire, the Muslim invasion of Spain, the Plague, the Thirty Years War. I confess to it all! Direct election of senators, women's sufferage, the income tax, the great society! We boomers did it! We planned it all! (More sobbing) Oh God, how can you ever forgive us! (Curls up in fetal position).


On the other hand: "Yo!Is there anything left on the national credit card? We're almost out of hookers and blow." Cackles madly, "Let them eat cake. Apres moi le deluge."

Nothing very noble there, but on the whole, I think I'll choose door number two.

and you're still whining little vaginas.

Blogger Longstreet January 19, 2016 12:22 PM  

If any musician's death typifies Boomers, its GG Allin's
Never heard of him, so I Googled it.

Whoa.

That's a pretty harsh assessment. But not unreasonable.

Blogger Nate January 19, 2016 12:26 PM  

"Nothing very noble there, but on the whole, I think I'll choose door number two."

We know.

Blogger David-093 January 19, 2016 12:29 PM  

Boomers had trouble accepting they were going to be old. Millennials have trouble accepting their feelings don't matter. The former is inexcusably retarded, the latter is merely childish. Millennials will grow up because the crisis will force them too, and because Xers are on the rise. Boomers, however, had their day in with two extremely smart, powerful generations (GIs and Silents) and they rejected all that. Not all of them did, but the generation itself did.

Anonymous BigGayKoranBurner January 19, 2016 12:33 PM  

Slight adjustment seen recently: The 70s are the new cool! Expected soon: Dead babes rock!

Not only did Mohamad Have sex with a corpse but this explains why they ignore black crime like the 13yo black that raped a 90yo white woman, they hope some guy still wants to rape them 90 is the new 18
http://www.wcpo.com/news/ohio-teen-competent-for-trial-in-rape-of-woman-90

Boomer still can't grasp that every negative thing they say about their kids and grand kids is a direct negative reflection on them

Just like when women talk bad about their men, everyone knows that is the best man they could get.

Nate, you know nothing...They're the ones filling up my facebook feed every day with Bernie S.

Link some black/brown/moslem crime news and you will stop hearing about Bernie.

I didn't think the gays allowed gingers.Gays are disproportionately into gingers. Ask me how I know.

You watched the Milo video about Gingers. Not All Gays Are Like Milo

Give us back the Social Security you stole before the coffin door hits you in the ass, though

136 at least they contributed something towards it, Puerto Ricans in Puerto Rico are collecting social security disability for NO SPEAK ENGLISH.

Blogger VD January 19, 2016 12:35 PM  

No, the boomers didn't plan or execute this. They/Me were the idiots who were the tools of these people that truly changed the world.

That's true. But you were not merely willing idiots, you were enthusiastic and proud idiots. Frankly, it is amazing that any Boomer has anything to say beyond: "I'm sorry, we were totally wrong, I wish you guys good luck."

Instead, we get "it's not MY fault", "it's not OUR fault", and "because you're unhappy with what we did, you're whiners and therefore just as bad as us!"

That neither surprises nor impresses us.

Blogger RobertT January 19, 2016 12:37 PM  

At 47, you're right in the sweet spot for taking a leadership role, which you're apparently doing with your SJW activities. But you keep saying things like, 'as soon as the baby boomers die' as though you are waiting until the time is ripe. If you lay back because people like Limbaugh and McCain are still in the catbird seat, someday you'll wake up and find the opportunity has passed you by. Carpe diem. The sweet spot doesn't last for long. You need to make headway now while before the establishment fades or others will take your place. I speak from experience. At one time I was semi 'in the game' so to speak, but I walked away from it and now that I'm interested in helping Trump, I don't have near the influence I once had.

Blogger Nate January 19, 2016 12:48 PM  

" because people like Limbaugh and McCain are still in the catbird seat"

I don't know if ya noticed... but Limbaugh and McCain ain't 47... and they weren't in the catbird seat when they were 47 either.

Blogger VD January 19, 2016 12:48 PM  

But you keep saying things like, 'as soon as the baby boomers die' as though you are waiting until the time is ripe.

That's how I resist the urge to speed the process along. I'm not waiting for anything, as those who attend Brainstorm know.

Blogger Tank January 19, 2016 12:49 PM  

@Starbuck

If you enjoy this Blog, you'd likely enjoy VD's non-fiction (at least, his fiction is different).

JMHO YMMV.

Blogger Nate January 19, 2016 12:49 PM  

"That's true. But you were not merely willing idiots, you were enthusiastic and proud idiots. Frankly, it is amazing that any Boomer has anything to say beyond: "I'm sorry, we were totally wrong, I wish you guys good luck." "

Hell I'd be fine with "Look I'm sorry man... I hated these idiots as much as y'all do. "

Blogger weka January 19, 2016 12:56 PM  

@158. That sweet spot lasts for about two decades, even three: from 35 to 65. In the USA it is a little later than it is elsewhere -- in the Commonwealth we often have people become Prime Minister in their early 40s and be kicked out (and into irrelevance) by my age.

It is by the consequences that a generation is judged. There were (are) conservative boomers, punks, Xers and whatever the millenials will end up being called (whiners?) The late boomers (punks) and Xers will lead the next shift.

That is why VD blogs & writes, and we all do our bit. Regardless of age. For otherwise, night will fall.

Anonymous Athor Pel January 19, 2016 1:02 PM  

"152. Anonymous rienzi January 19, 2016 12:16 PM
...
On the other hand: "Yo!Is there anything left on the national credit card? We're almost out of hookers and blow." Cackles madly, "Let them eat cake. Apres moi le deluge."

Nothing very noble there, but on the whole, I think I'll choose door number two.
..."



Here ya go, little something to keep you occupied on your journey.

Blogger Nate January 19, 2016 1:03 PM  

sometimes I think SJWism is what you get when a hero generation has no cause. It has no dragon to slay... so it must invent one.

its more complicated than that obviously.. but it is start

Anonymous Takin' a Look January 19, 2016 1:07 PM  

Boomers in nursing homes run by vibrant diversity they imported...

My Reaction

Blogger Starbuck January 19, 2016 1:08 PM  

That's true. But you were not merely willing idiots, you were enthusiastic and proud idiots. Frankly, it is amazing that any Boomer has anything to say beyond: "I'm sorry, we were totally wrong, I wish you guys good luck."- VD

Well, that is just it. I am not sorry for what my generation has done. I am in the same boat as the GenX'rs. One could say I could be held responsible just merely because of my age. To that I can say "I am sorry", I can also apologize for not fixing it. But my resources are small. And God didn't seem interested in me being the one to fix anything outside of my family.
I actually did a little bit of good in that arena of the world.


Instead, we get "it's not MY fault", "it's not OUR fault", and "because you're unhappy with what we did, you're whiners and therefore just as bad as us!" - VD


I wouldn't label GenX'rs as whiners. They have a serious legitimate point. What Boomer generation did was inexcusable. In 1980 our country had 1 Trillion in debt. Now we are nearing 20 trillion in debt and that is just the Federal Government. Our fingers have a tendency to point at everyone but ourselves. But we all know that if we could get some money from the government most would take it and not think twice. Free Money after all! My generation was weird and I never could quite figure it out. Hippies, Druggies, Yuppies, Fashion, Propaganda, Money!, Me!

That neither surprises nor impresses us. - VD

No I suppose it wouldn't. Wouldn't me either.

GenX isn't going to fix anything either. They have plenty of selfish people with an agenda. They are going to get their share period.
Millennials aren't going to fix nothing either. The corruption in people is high right now. Not going to go away.

Blogger Aeoli Pera January 19, 2016 1:15 PM  

@156 BigGayKoranBurner,

You watched the Milo video about Gingers. Not All Gays Are Like Milo

I didn't actually. And that's too bad, a few more Milos in the world would lighten my heart.

There's always the Google search I provided if you think I'm full of shit. (Which admittedly, I am often enough to be a problem.)

Blogger Nate January 19, 2016 1:20 PM  

"Here ya go, little something to keep you occupied on your journey."

ya know we can call it "driving" all we want.. but the fact is Angus pushes the damn tempo so much the whole song is on the edge of falling apart. Its a miracle the drummer doesn't kill him.

Blogger SS January 19, 2016 1:21 PM  

@96. Markku

That's what I was thinking but not saying when I was reading through this earlier today. My parents and my wife's parents are night and day on this. My parents have put all my grandparents away in homes. My wife's parents are taking care of their parents. One lives in assisted living (facility run by one of her daughters) when she wants to and lives with whichever kid she feels like living with when she doesn't. The other grandparent lives in her own home and is visited at least once a day by my in-laws.

We have had this conversation in our house multiple times. When the time comes, my parents will most likely see 4 white walls and strangers and my in-laws will see the inside of our house or live just down the street.

Blogger Aeoli Pera January 19, 2016 1:21 PM  

@166 Takin' a Look,

Boomers in nursing homes run by vibrant diversity they imported...

I got to watch this happen firsthand. When I started at the nursing home the staff was 80% white, 20% African (and they worked in memory care). One year later it was 90% African, primarily Liberian.

Better get used to the company Boomers, because 95% of you are getting one visit per year or less (optimistically). And that's assuming your kids can afford to have you housed.

Blogger rumpole5 January 19, 2016 1:22 PM  

"The elites were abandoning Christianity since the so-called "Enlightenment"." ...Nailed it! Focusing on the sorry Boomers is missing the forest because of the trees.

Anonymous Jack Amok January 19, 2016 1:22 PM  

GenX isn't going to fix anything?

Maybe not. Maybe our job will be to break a lot of things that are in the way of the fixes.

Blogger Aeoli Pera January 19, 2016 1:23 PM  

I predict an epidemic of memory care-eligible Boomers getting out of the house and dying in ditches because nobody can afford to stay home and watch them 24-7.

Anonymous rienzi January 19, 2016 1:40 PM  

162.Nate: Vox:"That's true. But you were not merely willing idiots, you were enthusiastic and proud idiots. Frankly, it is amazing that any Boomer has anything to say beyond: "I'm sorry, we were totally wrong, I wish you guys good luck." "

Hell I'd be fine with "Look I'm sorry man... I hated these idiots as much as y'all do. "


Well, if you're a boomer, and have spent any time at all on this blog, then guess what, yeah, we hate these idiots as much as y'all.

Hell, more. Been hating them since I refused to join a "fast for freedom" at my college back in the middle 60's. Partially screwing up their plans to give money to the Black Panthers.

Hated those SJW's back then, hate them now, and at all points in between. At least, now, with the internet I know that I'm not alone.

However, if you just paint us all with the same brush, and say "Kill them all, God will know his own.", then you give us few, but good guys, little choice but to go all Louis the XVth. on you.

Yes, most all boomers suck. I never liked David Bowie, and couldn't care less if he's dead. Same goes for the Eagles. May they all die horribly from overdoses of synthetic drugs. Also, any generation that liked the music of the Monkees was showing serious flaws way back in the day.

Satified?

Deo Vindice!


Blogger Marie January 19, 2016 1:41 PM  

"GenX isn't going to fix anything either. They have plenty of selfish people with an agenda. They are going to get their share period.
Millennials aren't going to fix nothing either. The corruption in people is high right now. Not going to go away."

This is what is so infuriating about boomers. You pile nothing but scorn and disdain on all the generations after you AND YET YOU REFUSE TO DO ANYTHING TO HELP.

After 2008, your generation is getting the blame. As much as you try to blame the politicians or the previous generations, the crash of 2008 would never have happened if not for the Boomer's insatiable greed.

Why not do something productive with the years you have left and try to help us figure a way out of this? Because if all you are going to be is a Chicken Little crying about the falling sky I think Josh might have been a little hasty in throwing out one of our options.

But for the love of all that is holy, get out of our way and stop telling us what we can't do.

My grandchildren will not grow up in a 3rd world country or a war-zone, if I can help it.

Blogger Nate January 19, 2016 1:44 PM  

"then you give us few, but good guys, little choice but to go all Louis the XVth. on you. "

***chuckle***

Sugar... the time for those threats passed 10 years ago. Your generation is old and done.

Accept it.

Anonymous Headcannon January 19, 2016 1:47 PM  

Abandoned by their kids in understaffed homes. It couldn't have happened to a more deserving generation.

Blogger Halifax Donair January 19, 2016 2:19 PM  

My grandmother prodded me to volunteer at an old folks home when I was in high school. That's why my octogenarian parents live with me. No way are they going into a pissy-smelling nursing home. The fact theyes were pre-boomers that had enough late redpilled me early.

Of course a kid in the 80's referring to Fibber McGee's closet was the side effect, but then again today I have to explain what long distance telephone bills are to kids.

Blogger Josh January 19, 2016 2:25 PM  

Deo Vindice!

Amen.

Happy Lee Jackson Day y'all

Blogger Sheila4g January 19, 2016 2:30 PM  

@97 Josh: "There's no reason I can't despise boomers as a group and honor my parents. The rest of the boomers aren't my parents."

Could/would also emend to "There's no reason I can't despise my parents as people yet honor them as my parents." Not to go all "I have mommy issues," but was never close to my mother and I don't particularly like or respect her as a person (born in '30 - so what is that, silent generation?). Still, since becoming a Christian, I've endeavored to honor her (helped after a pastor clarified the Bible didn't say one has to love one's parents, but honor them, and discussed the difference). I call and write and express gratitude for whatever I can legitimately feel gratitude for. Since I live hundreds of miles away, the responsibility for her direct care does not fall on me, for which I'm eternally thankful (and that's part of the reason we live as far away as we do). I honor her for giving me life and for doing the best she knew within her own limitations, even if I don't judge it sufficient. I still try (and fail and try again) to be as different as I can be, and at least fail in different ways. I really know nothing about Vox's parents (it's none of my business) but I've read him state here numerous times that he's stood by his father. Again, that's distinct from loving or approving - that's honoring, in my book, and following God's command.

Blogger Curtis January 19, 2016 2:53 PM  

@5 Look at all those baby boomers worshiping Bowie.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/01/11/22/article-3393470-3010A51F00000578-916_964x431.jpg

@176

You think you are going to vote your way out of this? If you can help it?

And yes, the baby boomers will all die. And still, if you handed the remaining generation a golden platter of liberty and freedom, they to will recoil in horror, and flush it down the toilet. And you all will die in your own sins, not the sins of your fathers. And like the generation of your fathers, your worst enemies will be that of your own generation.

Good luck. Really.

And by the way, stop looking back, I'd hate to see you all turn into a pillar of salt.

Anonymous kfg January 19, 2016 3:13 PM  

Kissinger is still waiting for Rockefeller to die already. Rockefeller might well be waiting for my oldest living relative to die already.

If you want to wield power, you need to be powerful enough to take it.

Anonymous Quartermaster January 19, 2016 3:37 PM  

@51
Don't be an ass. I had nothing to do with it. In most cases the boomers had moved on when such things were being done.

As my mother used to say, “The stench is probably your upper lip.” Other generations have also stunk up the room on a regular basis.

@59
I suggest you look at my 1st sentence to Nate. You cleasrly have no idea what solipsism is.

I didn't,
1. Lose Vietnam – you need to do some research on who fought that war.
2. Elect Carter – I held my nose and voted Ford
3. I feel no need to tell the world how great I am. I'll leave such things to Gen X/Millennials, although my son would object to an accusation as stupid as yours.
4. I didn't say how awesome I was. Perhaps a remedial reading course is in order.
5. A lot has been done by Boomers. The best I can say for you is you haven't been paying attention. You're a rather provincial character.

@60
I know how you feel. My father was Air Force and I was living in Germany watching the news of the little idiots burning draft cards and “speaking truth to power.” They disgusted everyone in my social circle. Nothing has changed in that regard. All you can do is teach your kids the right way and pray for them. They have to choose their own way. It was our responsibility to teach them right way in the first place.

My son turned out well. He holds an MSEE. One daughter went her own stupid way and is paying the price. I've helped her kids, but I won't help her. She can pay the price of her own stupidity.

@62
Yeah you're a provincial character. It works the way it works because you say it works the way it works. Yeah provincial.

@64
Tetherball was popular in elementary school when I was in back in the early 60s. We also played Dodge ball and, heaven forfend, Battle Ball. We had winners and losers too.

@66
That's very Interesting Nate. I live in the Southeast and my grandkids got recess twice a day. Real free play recess.

Anonymous Quartermaster January 19, 2016 3:39 PM  

@67
Won't miss either one of them.

@73
Better yet, don't waste time on Facebook. It's just a data mining scam.

@80
No need for indignation. Nate's raving takes good care of it for me.

@86
I was around for the micocomputer revolution. Every one of the leaders in that were boomers. I was building computers, and using them, before the Trash 80 or IBM's updated copy of it came out.

I didn't have to learn how to turn the thing on. I built them, and still use them professionally.

@87
You need to take another look at your timing. You don't know how this works.

@89
Now you've added solipsist to your resume. You need to quit projecting

@98
My son knows what's coming and is as prepared as I could make him. All you can do is teach them right way and pray for them.

@113
That's spelled “sown.”

@115
Gen Xers and Millennials are pretty good at deflecting blame. That's simply a part of human nature.

@122
David who?

@123
That predictive model you use fails just as badly with boomers. It caused a bit of amusement when my son suddenly discovered human nature, but didn't realize it. It would appear your type is coming around even more slowly than he did. My son was about 19 when he did. You're just now discovering it, and I'll bet a dollar to a donut you're somewhat older than my son was.

@124
When society and the economy collapse, everyone will get dragged down from where they are now. Some of the rich will survive, and many of the cockroaches with political power and influence will come through, but the rest will be immiserated by the collapse.

@147
You've been had. It takes a real clown to take something like that seriously.

@148
It has always been the work of a small minority to put the stuff in place we now complain of. We can trace problems back to the source all we like, but nothing will change because society has a certain momentum to it that is almost impossible to stop. It has always taken some crisis to stop stuff. Every generation that has managed to get people elected has had a part in creating the financial mess we have now.

Discussions such as this, however, produces a lot smoke, and little flame or light. Most of this has simply been lashing out. No serious attempt has been made to arrive at anything like a solution. Methinks it's more a matter of people simply wanting to rave about something they know they will have little influence on.

The only long term solution is embracing Christ. I think we all know the probability of that happening with this society.

Anonymous Quartermaster January 19, 2016 3:40 PM  

@157
Many boomers fought as best they could, but failed because we were simply out numbered or not in a position to do much about the problems being created. I'm not surprised that you aren't surprised or impressed, but I don't much care either way. I did the best I could and still am. I'll account for my life before Christ, not you.

@162
“Hell I'd be fine with 'Look I'm sorry man... I hated these idiots as much as y'all do.'“

From my seat it looks more like you simply want to rave about an entire generation. I hated those idiots more than you did. A lot of us did.

@165
That's a lot of it. It's fed by people that have vested interests in such stuff. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are examples that come to mind.

@167
Nope, it ain't gonna be fixed. Given the results of unfunded liabilities, starting with Social Security being placed in the general budget and the leftards robbing it since, the total debt is somewhere north of 200 trillion. I seriously doubt 20 trillion would ever be repaid. 200 trillion never will be.

It's going to collapse and there isn't anything anyone can do about it.

@175
Don't you go hating on the Monkees now. Really. I liked them when I was in grade school. But, then, I liked professional wrestling then too.

@176
You can't help it. Get used to it.

@177
Age and treachery will beat youth and skill every time.

@178
John Hagee predicted that the generation that brought us the wonders of abortion would be the first subjected to involuntary euthanasia by their kids and grandkids. I can confidently predict that the generation that brought us the wonders of abortion will not think it at all fair as they view the approach of the nurse bearing the syringe filled with poison for them.

@179
I used to listen to those old radio program on AFN when I lived in Germany. Fibber McGee and Molly was one of my favorites.

@180
Indeed!!! Same to ya!

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 19, 2016 3:47 PM  

You know, @Quartermaster, most of those people weren't talking to you.

Blogger FP January 19, 2016 3:56 PM  

"However, if you just paint us all with the same brush, and say "Kill them all, God will know his own.", then you give us few, but good guys, little choice but to go all Louis the XVth. on you."

With what exactly? Most of your cohorts are doing near everything they can to take away all guns. They've got a new pending bill here in Oregon making it easy for anyone to report someone as crazy, taking away their right to buy a gun for 30 days. The state will declare the old as nuts and take all their stuff.

Even now there are people here in Oregon, young and old but the old are the worst in their denial since they should know better, who refuse to see these SJW types as their blood enemies. "Just because they hold a different opinion doesn't mean they're not my fellow Americans!"

Blogger Desiderius January 19, 2016 4:00 PM  


"Boomer still can't grasp that every negative thing they say about their kids and grand kids is a direct negative reflection on them."

That really gets to the heart of the problem. The abandonment of the idea of one's identity being grounded in the (genetic) chain of being of which one is a part.

Sola Tabula Rasa.

The New Testament begins with a genealogy for a reason.

Blogger Desiderius January 19, 2016 4:04 PM  

Escoffier,

"Rome was full of men who had lost their economic footing and then their moral stability: soldiers who had tasted adventure and had learned to kill; citizens who had seen their savings consumed in the taxes and inflation of war and waited vacuously for some returning tide to life them back to affluence; women dizzy with freedom, multiplying divorces, abortions, and adulteries. (Durant)

To me that describes America and Europe post WWII (maybe WWI) almost perfectly. And I notice this elides over any talk of diversities manifold blessings but I have a feeling it was just as much an issue then as now."

Likewise the Late Ming with the abdication of the (good) Emperor with (evil) eunuchs filling the void. We've certainly been here before.

Then again, the Roman Republic lasted over 600 years, including days as dark as our own, but somehow came through. Our fate will not be certain until it is upon us.

Blogger Marie January 19, 2016 4:18 PM  

@182 Curtis

"You think you are going to vote your way out of this? If you can help it?"

Who said anything about voting?

You are a very political/government-centric generation, aren't you? You mention voting and another one mentioned people going after money through estate taxes.

No, I'm not looking for salvation in a vote. That honestly never crossed my mind.

Anonymous Bird on a Wing January 19, 2016 4:30 PM  

@129 Starbuck

I certainly did not create drugs and rock n roll... But I heard many of my friends give that battle cry at school.. "sex, drugs and rock n roll." Sex... that existed way before the baby boomers... God created that.


I have now seen it all.

BABY BOOMER BLAMES GOD FOR SEX, DRUGS AND ROCK N ROLL!!!!!

Anonymous A Visitor January 19, 2016 4:33 PM  

I saw them play in 2010. I was in row six and was afraid Glenn Frey (who died yesterday) was going to spit on me! It was not THE BEST concert I have seen but it was pretty memorable. I remember listening to their songs growing up and, as an early teen, playing their songs on the electric guitar (which I still have along with two books of tabs of their songs).

Blogger Student in Blue January 19, 2016 4:44 PM  

@rienzi
However, if you just paint us all with the same brush, and say "Kill them all, God will know his own.", then you give us few, but good guys, little choice but to go all Louis the XVth. on you.

If it doesn't apply to you, then stop being offended by it.

That right there is one of the characterizing differences of a boomer, that sensitivity to boomers being called out. It's far beyond what Gen X'ers, Millenials, Silents, any other generational group I've had personal experience with, do.

Anonymous Spartacus xxxxx January 19, 2016 5:28 PM  

@186. Quartermaster


@167
Nope, it ain't gonna be fixed. Given the results of unfunded liabilities, starting with Social Security being placed in the general budget and the leftards robbing it since, the total debt is somewhere north of 200 trillion. I seriously doubt 20 trillion would ever be repaid. 200 trillion never will be.


Nobody knows the true number, not even "them". The very purpose of the Fed is to muddy up the definition of money, and at this late date they, or rather the inheritors, can't even know what is what. (A similar situation obtains in all areas of shadow-gov involvement- law, medicine, academia, etc.)

Whatever it is, it cannot ever be repaid regardless of the amount. To repay a debt-currency is to destroy that currency. Total deflation. There are no plans at all for that, so the 'debt' will have to be 'retired' in the usual way- by the destruction of the monetary system and probably its issuing authority as well. A Ponzi scheme either has to keep growing or it stops, hard, and there are no more China's for Nixon.

Blogger Curtis January 19, 2016 5:47 PM  

@191

Why so offended?

You think you are going to vote your way out of this?

Now, no one said, you said, that you were going to vote your way out of this.

What is amusing, is your reply that I must be, "...a very political/government-centric generation."

Maybe a big hearty belly laugh?

Seriously, what is the plan of this generation? Well, the plan of the minority of this generation that is not plugged in to PC think and their iPhones because of baby boomers, and X, and Y?

Blogger Curtis January 19, 2016 5:52 PM  

@194

The same could be said of the boomers, and X, and Y.

Reminds me of, "Look! They have beams in their eyes!"

Blogger Desiderius January 19, 2016 6:17 PM  

"That right there is one of the characterizing differences of a boomer, that sensitivity to boomers being called out."

It called solipsism, and it is effeminate.

Blogger Desiderius January 19, 2016 6:20 PM  

This thread wouldn't be complete without a word from the Dude:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1WJqKWqUHQ

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