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Friday, January 15, 2016

Musings On Immigration, part II

This is the followup to the original guest post on the ongoing European Migrant Crisis. As before, I don't agree with all of it, but it makes for an interesting starting point for debate.

In the previous post, I discussed what I believe to be the origins of the current Migrant Crisis - and Europe’s collective inability to take measures before it was too late to prevent major trouble. In this post, I discuss steps that can - that must - be taken by European Governments, mainly Germany, but France and Britain too, to prevent the crisis from getting any further out of hand.

The problem facing those governments, however, is difficult. Can they safeguard their populations without fatally compromising European principles?

In Germany, the first step is all too clear: Merkel must go.

Angela Merkel is not just a failed politician. Politicians have lost credibility before and survived; Clinton, Bush and Obama all survived crisis that threatened to bring them down. Merkel, however, not only bears a large share of the responsibility for the Migrant Crisis, but in attempting to cover up the scale of the problem she has thoroughly discredited her government. Right now, I doubt very many people in Germany would trust a word spewing from Merkel’s mouth. When the government is untrustworthy - and anyone in Germany can see the disproof in front of their eyes - it convinces people that they can no longer trust the government to take care of them.

Merkel, not to put too fine a point on it, forgot who she was working for. A common problem among European politicians. Her duty was not to migrants, however pitiful they looked, but to the German people. A German, she failed Germany; a woman, she failed women. Her ham-fisted attempts to come to terms with the crisis have only undermined her further. For the sake of Germany, for the sake of law and order and common decency, Merkel must go.

Having said that, there are a number of practical steps that need to be taken as soon as possible.

First, the borders must be sealed. Unaccompanied young men must not be allowed to enter the country. The problem is already quite big enough. If worst comes to worst, those borders must be defended by gunfire. Europeans who marry non-Europeans should be denied residence rights unless they can convince officials that they have had a long-standing and genuine relationship.

Second, there must be a full registry of illegal immigrants and migrants within Europe. This can be accomplished by making it clear that any undocumented personage found within Europe, or Germany, after a cut-off date will be summarily deported. Fingerprints and other identifying characteristics must be collected, allowing any criminal elements to be quickly identified and rapidly deported.

Third, the police and security forces must retake control of the no-go zones. The areas must be flooded by policemen, backed up by soldiers if necessary. Any attempt to attack the police must be greeted with maximum force. Patrols must be run through the most dangerous areas, forcing local leaders to either knuckle under or send out their thugs (which will weaken them badly, when the thugs are killed or locked up in detention camps.) It must be made clear that any attempt to challenge the government’s monopoly on force will end badly.

Fourth, all Islamist preachers and suchlike must be summarily removed from the streets and placed into detention camps. The preaching of both radical Islam and terrorist ideology must be stopped, whatever the cost. Any riots following such arrests are to be brutally crushed.

Fifth, mosques, Islamic schools and other such institutions are to be ordered to warn immigrants of the new rules on pain of being shut down. The national languages used as the official languages; teaching materials are to be strictly vetted before they are allowed to be used in the schools. The rights of women in Western countries, for example, must be discussed openly, allowing young girls to make up their own minds about their futures.

Sixth, and finally, there must be a zero-tolerance policy towards any migrant crimes. Small crimes - defecating on the seats, for example - must be punished by deportation (or a one-way ticket to the camps, pending deportation). Large crimes must be punished by death.

I make no pretence that any of these measures will be easy. Islamist leaders, regardless of how hostile they are towards the outside society, will not take them lightly. Europe has made too many concessions to find it easy to retake control. The European Governments will have to build up their police forces and militaries while avoiding infiltration and grit their collective teeth against the howls of fury from the Left. Can they do it? I don’t know.

But they must, because the alternatives are worse. Fascism, Balkanisation (aka Civil War) and Caliphate.

I will explore these in the third post.

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83 Comments:

Anonymous Euryale January 15, 2016 5:42 AM  

First. #AdolfMerkel must go.

Anonymous Rona January 15, 2016 5:56 AM  

These would be great starting measures IF one wanted to preserve multiculti EU, with Europeans, Arabs, Africans and others under powerful government controlling education, speech and media.

This would be the worst outcome for native Europeans who claim Europe for ourselves and all the future generations of our people.

The worse non-whites behave and the more ineffectual governments are at dealing with them, the higher chance Europeans have of eventually winning the war they are beginning to understand is being fought.

Fascism, Balkanisation and Civil wars are bad, but the worse is assimilation and miscegenation because it means final death of European people and Western Civilization.

-Rona

Anonymous Jamie NZ January 15, 2016 6:05 AM  

A Land Of Confusion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YV4oYkIeGJc

I must have dreamed a thousand dreams
Been haunted by a million screams
But I can hear the marching feet
They’re moving into the street

Now, did you read the news today?
They say the danger has gone away
But I can see the fire’s still alight
They’re burning into the night

There’s too many men, too many muslims
Making too many problems
And there’s not much love to go around
Can’t you see this is a land of confusion?

This is the world we live in
And these are the hands we’re given
Use them and let’s start trying
To make it a place worth living in

Oh, superman, where are you now?
When everything’s gone wrong somehow?
The men of steel, these men of power
Are losing control by the hour

This is the time, this is the place
So we look for the future
But there’s not much love to go around
Tell me why this is a land of confusion

This is the world we live in
And these are the hands we’re given
Use them and let’s start trying
To make it a place worth living in

I remember long ago
When the sun was shining
And all the stars were bright all through the night
In the wake of this madness, as I held you tight
So long ago

I won’t be coming home tonight
My generation will put it right
We’re not just making promises
That we know we’ll never keep

There’s too many men, too many muslims
Making too many problems
And there’s not much love to go round
Can’t you see this is a land of confusion?

Now, this is the world we live in
And these are the hands we’re given
Use them and let’s start trying
To make it a place worth fighting for

This is the world we live in
And these are the names we’re given
Stand up and let’s start showing
Just where our lives are going to….

Blogger VD January 15, 2016 6:08 AM  

NB: There is no circumstance when quoting a Phil Collins song, particularly in full, is a reasonable commentary on any post here.

Blogger Stilicho January 15, 2016 6:17 AM  

Better get right to post 3 because your solutions are not likely to be implemented short of the balkanization and war you warn of. Before that, govts will only do just enough to appear to be doing something constructive and the invaders will be allowed to stay for the most part. You see, the problem isn't criminal elements or radicals in their midst: the problem consists of every last one of the invaders standing on the soil of these countries. Every last one.

OpenID investigativeapologetics January 15, 2016 6:17 AM  

My concern with these points--especially Points 4 to 6--is that I don't trust secularists, and thus I would be concerned that many secularists might happily turn and use these reasons and methods as a way to attack Christians who oppose the latest leftist fad ("homophobia", "transphobia", etc.) In fact, such secularists might see dealing with 'radical Christians (meaning orthodox Christians)' as a natural extension of dealing with 'radical Muslims'.

Thus, if these ideas were being done in the context of a revival of Christian civilization, that would be different, but if done by secularists, then they are at least things that Christians should be wary of given the record of secularists (atheists) when they hold power and apply strong force to society.

Anonymous Jamie NZ January 15, 2016 6:24 AM  

Copy that VD. Disturbed done it so much better than Phil but

Anonymous 636 January 15, 2016 6:37 AM  

The most obvious fix is to cut off the money train. This is the fundamental problem:

"In addition to receiving free clothing, food, housing and healthcare, migrants in Germany also get a monthly cash payment of €143 ($160), compared to only €40 ($45) per month in Austria."

So turn off the spigot: no clothing, no healthcare, no cash. Free ride home. That'll slow the numbers coming to the border, for starters.

OpenID paworldandtimes January 15, 2016 6:46 AM  

The fact that most of these migrants are unaccompanied males is a long-term blessing in disguise, considering the alternatives (families). Males will buzz around and cause problems, but females will squat down and make babies. Young males will also be easier to expel from the standpoint of pity.

Can they safeguard their populations without fatally compromising European principles?

The supreme European principle at this point needs to be the future of Europe as a White, Christian continent.

PA

Anonymous Haxo Angmark January 15, 2016 7:04 AM  

wow. Not just "crushed", but "brutally crushed"! Wachet auf, invasive ragheads, here comes the brand-new EU to chase U back to Sandyland. Actually, not a stitch of any of this nonsense will happen so long as the collective debts (and private investments) of the Brit, French, German (etc.) political class are controlled by open-borders Tikkun Olam Judeo-banksters, oligarchs, and billionaires. And most of the Whites remain quite comfortable, locked into self-liquidation, by their debt financed gubmint jobs, pensions, contracts, and welfare bennies. Post-debtPonziCollapse, there will be Race War. Not these petty reforms

Blogger Mr.MantraMan January 15, 2016 7:09 AM  

Get rid of the magic word first before big plans can even be thought of as implemented.

It will be a glorious day when some vermin shrieks the magic word "Racist" and the response in kind is, 'bring up the fucking machine gun, target identified."

Anonymous zen0 January 15, 2016 7:15 AM  

@9

The supreme European principle at this point needs to be the future of Europe as a White, Christian continent.

Nice idea, but European "Christendom" has had its day. Something else will have to arise.

Blogger Sherwood family January 15, 2016 7:21 AM  

Okay...seeing VD's comment to JamieNZ after the Phil Collins thing was pure comedy gold. I love this website.

Anonymous Anonymous January 15, 2016 7:26 AM  

The list of measures is interesting, but quite totally no-no to the current ruling class. Were any of that to happen, it's not Merkel who has to go, but everybody.

Blogger dienw January 15, 2016 7:41 AM  

Merkel, not to put too fine a point on it, forgot who she was working for. A common problem among European politicians.

This is the author's first error: politicians, even presidents and prime ministers, do not work for hte nation; they work for the social, economic, and financial elites: the master class sometimes called the Cartel; in Europe, this would include the royals and aristocracy who never went away.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr January 15, 2016 7:53 AM  

@11 Mantraman raises a good point. Any accusation of racism must be considered as a quisling identifying himself for expulsion.

I'll add that expelling immigrants for even minor crimes practically guarantees their expulsion. It's well known that the laws in a modern state are so complex the average person can't draw breath without breaking one. And it adds a patina of legalistic cause and effect to the process. A cunning idea.

Anonymous Steve Trump January 15, 2016 7:56 AM  

Wow. Whoa. That's some crowd. Thank you. Thank you. It's great to be at VP. I love you all. There's never been a comments section like this.

That said, it's time to MAKE THE COMMENTS GREAT AGAIN.

I mean, Phil Collins. Phil Collins! I know Phil Collins. I like Phil Collins. I was listening to No Jacket Required while wearing a jacket, with a leggy Czech model's ankles over my shoulders. True.

But look, this isn't WorldStarHipHop. This isn't Genesisfans.org. This is VOX POPOLI, people! This is the home of mayhem and SJW skull splitting.

And for the corncob pipe smoking, Blues Brothers chasing, 1488 internet nazi crowd. You're all talk! All talk. No action. It's sad. It's very sad. If you weren't so low energy, you'd be making babies with leggy Czech models. Not crying about race war on the internet.

But back to the article. It's a plan. No plan is foolproof, am I right? But it's a plan. The other side is only hoping - hoping! - that they don't get schlonged in their own bathrooms by Moslems.

Or maybe in John Scalzi's case, they're hoping for something else. I don't know. He's a funny little guy. Did you see him in that dress? But whatever. The important thing is: hope isn't a plan! Phil Collins isn't a plan! Race war sure as hell isn't a plan!

We need plans, people. And we need leaders with the brass balls to execute those plans.

If you vote for me, I will get rid of those kebab-sniffing clock-fondlers faster than you can say "Aloha Snackbar!"

And we will make America great again. Bigger and huger and stronger and greater than ever before.

Blogger VD January 15, 2016 7:57 AM  

Post-debtPonziCollapse, there will be Race War. Not these petty reforms

In case it escaped you, the author said the same thing. If there are not these reforms - and I very much doubt there will be - then there will be war.

Anonymous Mike from Pasadena January 15, 2016 8:03 AM  

@14
"this would include the royals and aristocracy who never went away."

You are so right about this. Little known European history: In 1848, more or less, a wave of revolutions swept the European continent. Mostly the newly arisen middle class seeking political power. Within 2 years in every European country, the revolutions had been suppressed by the combined forces of aristocracy and peasant. In subsequent years, the middle class was ruthlessly repressed. This European episode is what drove the huge migration from Europe to the Western hemisphere in the last 3 decades of the 1800's.
The elites in Europe (and USA) don't give a rat's ass about their people. They care about being in charge.

Blogger Salt January 15, 2016 8:07 AM  

There is one problem with his proposals, and that is he accepts that vetted invaders shall remain. These are not immigrants as they are not there, even if peacefully, to fully assimilate. Invaders they are. Invaders they shall remain.

All the mechanisms are in place, and by law, for these people to eventually exert the influence they desire. Once ensconced in Europe, time, and their birth rate, is on their side.

There is only one option if survival of the various European cultures, languages, and mores is the desired goal.

This guy's musings do not save Europe. Send them home. Every last one of them.

Anonymous kzm24 January 15, 2016 8:16 AM  

All those steps of the author are physical, material steps. None of them address the culture that produced this situation. None of those steps address the ideology that made Merkel and her party do what she did.

One of the steps is the curtailing of Islamic clerics. This flies in the face of the Enlightenment, freedom and the Age of Reason. I thought the whole modern world is based on Freedom of Speech, but here the author is engaging in thought police. Hypocrisy? Europeans attacked the Roman Catholic Church authorities for suppressing the speech of atheists and revolutionaries and now, things have gone 180 degrees and now we are going to do the suppressing of free speech by Islamists?

We are going to stop Islamic radical teaching but we could not stop the speech One hundred years ago by Marxists and social revolutionaries? What gives? Why the hypocrisy? The Double Standards? Atheists have free speech but Islamic Radicals do not?

The Fourth step of this program flies in the face of the American Bill of Rights and probably as well the French Rights of Man.

Is this author calling for the repudiation of the Enlightenment and its teachings of cosmopolitanism and tolerance? Is this not a religious war now?

I'm confused. First we defend Free Speech, and then now we are advocating Thought Police. We are going to dictate to Islamic schools what they can and can not teach? WTF!

Blogger Phillip George January 15, 2016 8:23 AM  

1. Free speech has never existed.
2. The enlightenment wasn't
3. Jesus and Muhammad are mutually exclusive messages.
4. Materialism has failed
5. Discrimination is among the better facts of life
6. Everyone likes lists but ignore hierarchy.
7. Monty Python insists on no poofters. What was ever wrong with closet sex? Irony is rhetorical.
8. Delaying the war makes it worse
9. Jesus is God. See Point One.
10. Joint all the dots and we don't need to go on.

Anonymous Steve January 15, 2016 8:25 AM  

This flies in the face of the Enlightenment, freedom and the Age of Reason.

Oh no!

I thought the whole modern world is based on Freedom of Speech

You thought wrong. Try saying something a bit racist in Germany, France, or the UK. Try handing out Bibles in Israel. Try building a church in Saudi Arabia.

Hell, try donating to an anti-gay marriage campaign in America and see what happens to your job.

and now we are going to do the suppressing of free speech by Islamists?

Yes.

Blogger James Dixon January 15, 2016 8:34 AM  

I absolutely hate making extreme statements of this type. but...

Islam is fundamentally incompatible with western civilization. If allowed even a foothold, it is a cancer which will spread and destroy the host culture.

It should be obvious to any observer who bothers to think that we have reached the point where the western civilized world has two and only two options if it wishes to survive: Islam must be contained within it's Middle Eastern borders, by whatever means necessary; or Islam must be destroyed.

> There is no circumstance when quoting a Phil Collins song, particularly in full, is a reasonable commentary on any post here.

Is there ever a circumstance where quoting a Phil Collins song is a reasonable commentary on anything?

Anonymous 636 January 15, 2016 8:38 AM  

You can't reeducate lunatics like Merkel. From their perspective, the only thing wrong with their program is that they are not getting sufficient public support for it, hence the management of the narrative. So addressing the culture that produced this is off the table, I think.

What we can hope is that faced with determination (and maybe actual force), they will back off pushing their agenda overtly long enough for a temporary cultural reset.

Your problem with the fourth step is that you are viewing imams and advocates of sharia law as German citizens rather than would-be invaders. This requires a reframe. If they are Germans, then they are traitors; if they are not, how do they merit the rights of citizens?

Anonymous WinstonWebb January 15, 2016 8:41 AM  

Is there ever a circumstance where quoting a Phil Collins song is a reasonable commentary on anything?

Yes.
"Please post lyrics to a song that is slightly less gay than Celine Dion's greatest hits."

Blogger tz January 15, 2016 8:44 AM  

There is a reason the police won't enter the no-gos - they would be killed (remembering Detroit). You have a disarmed, obedient native population, and invaders that have their own law.
Outrage sometimes rises to disobedience - and we saw what happened. I doubt the nationalists will start killing cops.
To repeat, secularism and paganism cannot defeat Islam. Only Christendom in its full and terrible glory.
The other thing avoided is Vox's old dichotomy - the brother OR the burkah. With milquetoast EUnuchs as the alternative, the Muslim men can find wives, have lots of kids, and in 2050 declare the Caliphate in place. Demographics is destiny.

Blogger tz January 15, 2016 8:47 AM  

I suspect your proposal will be met with malicious compliance: Frauhurer Merkel will hire a bunch of Muslim cops and "integrate" the forces.

Blogger ScottD January 15, 2016 8:55 AM  

"A German, she failed Germany; a woman, she failed women." What would that be in German, that is a powerful statement.

OpenID paworldandtimes January 15, 2016 8:57 AM  

Demographics is destiny.

And yet, just one of me managed to eradicate a nest of 1,000 hornets in my backyard.

PA

Anonymous Godfrey January 15, 2016 8:57 AM  

What's going on IS THE POLICY of the Western global crony financial elites and their political puppets. Nothing will begin to change until that is recognized and dealt with.

Nationalism, sovereignty, religion, family, financial independence, etc. has no place in the NWO.

Blogger dc.sunsets January 15, 2016 9:04 AM  

I agree with @8

The first step is end the Welfare State. Then shoot the looters/robbers/rioters.

If I want a guest column, how do I split that up into parts 1, 2 and 3?
_____
On a different note, while Europe's folly is important to people living in Europe (VD), it's a sideshow for us in the USA.

The Invader-American problem from Islam grabs headlines (San Bernadino, Philly) but it's the supposedly less-dissimilar Mestizo problem that festers like an open wound in the WalMart parking lot.

Anonymous Bobby Farr January 15, 2016 9:04 AM  

So rather than simply round up and expel the invaders, the author wants the natives to subject themselves to an extremely intrusive surveillance state in order to preserve a veneer of civilization? Not surprising given his previous preaching about the "blessings" of good immigrants. As I said before, a dangerous fantasy. His primary concern isn't preserving the nation and interests of natives but instead ensuring these "blessings" are undisturbed.

Anonymous stratocaster January 15, 2016 9:05 AM  

"it convinces people that they can no longer trust the government to take care of them"

Seems like this is one of the key underlying misconceptions.

Blogger Ahazuerus January 15, 2016 9:24 AM  

Another modern misuse of the term "fascism", as simply meaning authoritarian or totalitarian rule (i.e. "bad and wrong"), whereas the word has a specific meaning having little to do with leftist excesses provoking a conservative nationalist backlash.

It detracts from how seriously I take such such writing when the author does not know the meaning of simple words but uses them anyway.

I also suspect it's a signature of the SJW/left to misuse pejoratives in such a way, shot-gunning them at random in response to emotional triggers.

racist, nazi, fascist, sexist ... scream all the -ists!

Anonymous Rolf January 15, 2016 9:31 AM  

Yeah, that might work. Simple and easy to understand. I'm surprised he didn't mention cutting the subsidy - "no welfare dollars / marks / euros for immigrants; support yourself or leave!" would have a significant effect of sucking up any "extra" money floating around in the no-go zones. If the immigrants already in country see the new-comers as invaders, too, they will see them as a threat to their own gravy train.

And sadly, only a snowballs chance for any of it (except deposing Merkle.)

Anonymous WillBest January 15, 2016 9:37 AM  

Seems like an awful lot of trouble to keep people you don't really want in your country. It would seem to me that

Step 1: Provide 1000 euros to anybody who leave voluntarily within the next 30 days
Step 2: Inform the immigrant population they have 30 days to leave peacefully or they will be removed forcefully
Step 3: Go door to door removing anybody that is not a German citizen and sending them to a camp you have secured in Syria. Provide food, water, and shelter in the camp for a period of 1 year. Then abandon it.

Blogger pyrrhus January 15, 2016 9:46 AM  

@8 You forgot--no food...

Blogger pyrrhus January 15, 2016 9:49 AM  

Let's stop fooling around--close all mosques and level them....

Anonymous Angry January 15, 2016 10:10 AM  

This is a worthwhile comment from THE PRISS FACTORY at Unz Review:

Here is one of the main problems of American politics.

Jews are equally represented and served by both parties.

Just look at the people invited to conversations with Bill Kristol.

http://conversationswithbillkristol.org/

It’s mostly Jewish or shabbos goy.

Given that Jewish voters make up maybe 3% of the GOP, this is truly remarkable.

So, why is it a problem that Jews are prominent in both Democratic Party and the GOP?

It is because it muffles white interests.

Suppose there were no Jews in American politics. Then the Democrats would be the party of minorities and some white Liberals. And GOP would be the party of whites that is proud to be white.
So, all groups would be represented in American politics. Blacks and others would use the Democratic Party to push their minority interests. And whites would proudly stand for white interests in the GOP.
The coalition of non-whites in the Democratic Party and the white base of the GOP would be open and candid about what they stand for. It would be like George Jefferson vs Archie Bunker, with everything out in the open.
Of course, white Liberals would side with minorities in the Democratic Party, but as time goes by, they will be less and less relevant. Indeed, the Democratic Party has been losing the bulk of white voters for decades, and the GOP would have won them over if it hadn’t sold its soul to the globalists who favored wars, ‘free trade’ that hollowed out American manufacturing, and open borders that vastly increased the non-white population.

Read the rest here:

http://www.unz.com/article/the-empire-a-k-a-the-demopublican-elite-strikes-back/#comment-1294906

Blogger BassmanCO January 15, 2016 10:11 AM  

@4

Technically Genesis, but still hysterical. Thank you for this blog, VD.

Blogger Ingot9455 January 15, 2016 10:27 AM  

I believe the proper response to the above article is: "Preach it, brother!"

Anonymous Bz January 15, 2016 10:29 AM  

Is there ever a circumstance where quoting a Phil Collins song is a reasonable commentary on anything?

Dear refugees, dear politicians! As the bard sings, I can feel it coming through the air tonight. Be careful.

Anonymous Takin' a Look January 15, 2016 10:34 AM  

This is beyond insane, this is clown-world thru the looking-glass bedlam.

Sweden training musloid immavasionists to be sharp-shooters

Anonymous 165 January 15, 2016 10:51 AM  

Ross Douthat has a lengthy but thoughtful article on the issue, that may not be quite where the ilk would want it to be, but seems to be moving strongly in that direction:

http://douthat.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/01/13/ten-theses-on-immigration/?_r=0

Blogger Miguel D'Anconia January 15, 2016 10:54 AM  

I recommend surrounding the migrant areas and setting them on fire. Any males that come out should be executed via lead poisoning immediately. Deport the females to whatever muzzie shithole they came from.

Anonymous ShadowBob January 15, 2016 11:21 AM  

Ultimately it will all come down to Russia. Western Europe collectively no longer has the balls for the kind of flat-out genocidal behavior that will be required to stop the invasion. At one point centuries ago, Europe did; they don't anymore. It has been selectively bred out of them and replaced with pajamas and Starbucks coffee. In contrast, Russians have never forgotten how to be vicious at a truly barbaric level when required. Russia sees herself as the third Rome and the last bastion of defense for Christendom on the globe and she has no intention to fail. It's all a matter of time. One day in the near future, Russia will lose patience and then all bets will be off. And then there will be violence the scale of which will have not been seen since the days of Charles Martel. Only nukes will be involved this time.

Anonymous Captain Obvious January 15, 2016 11:43 AM  

I don't think Merkel forgot who she was working for... she was probably never working for the German people.

The left always lies, most especially about their motives. It's obvious that this migrant crisis is being engineered for a purpose.

The real difficulty is figuring out what that endgame is. Do they *want* us to become fascist...?

Anonymous Captain Obvious January 15, 2016 11:48 AM  

@44 WTF? That's insane. Thanks for sharing.

OpenID Jack Amok January 15, 2016 11:49 AM  

The proposals here are worse than war. They would do nothing more than dispirit the native Europeans by forcing them to be ogres while radicalizing an even larger percentage of the invaders. As Bobby Farr noted, it would create an oppressive police state to control the invaders, who would still be allowed to remain in proximity to the native population.

What sort of people are needed for a government that runs internment camps as an every-day feature? Thugs, bullies and petty tyrants. Certainly not heroes and patriots - heroes and patriots don't mind killing and expelling those who need killing and expelling, but they don't want to be fucking prison wardens.

Expel the invaders, don't stick them in camps and let them continue to erode your society and culture.

Blogger Dave January 15, 2016 11:51 AM  

Uh oh 165, it would've been better for you to post an actual Collin's song.

Blogger Unknown January 15, 2016 12:29 PM  

@44, it looks as if the Swedish elites are worried about their old-model peasants starting to push back against the elites' plans to replace them, and are trying to train up the new-model peasants to finally eliminate the old.

Blogger Gordon January 15, 2016 12:39 PM  

@50: "Expel the invaders, don't stick them in camps and let them continue to erode your society and culture."

So correct. Even if the camp is offshore. There will always be some ass elected who decides it's his job to make things right, and he will be smuggling them back in because he won't be able to bribe some 5th world hell hole to take them.

Witness Guantanamo.

Blogger Thucydides January 15, 2016 1:13 PM  

When it finally gets down to a shooting war, there is one thing heavily in *our* favour: most of the "migrants", SJW's, Cuckservative politicians and bureaucrats preferentially live and work in urban areas.

I would like you to consider, as a thought experiment, how quickly and easily most modern urban areas can be severed from the rest of the "grid", including food, water, energy and communications. Be ready to barricade the roads and rails leading in and out, and then let the urban inhabitants "eat their own".

The people who live and work on the "left" side of the political spectrum (Liberals, Progressives, SJWs etc.) only know how to consume, not to produce, so even with the bulk of the "productive" capabilities of the nation in their physical possession, they will literally starve to death, assuming the more thuggish criminal elements didn't kill them for their hoarded food and medicine first.

This will be a hard strategy, and there will almost certainly be pockets of people trapped within who are deserving of rescue and salvation, but that is a tactical decision which will have to be made on the ground at that time and place. Interestingly enough, this strategy will work in most Western nations, including Canada, the United States and Europe. Some Asian nations might benefit (although most Asian countries have much different societies so their SJW problem is different from ours).

As the Chinese say: "We *will* live in interesting times"

Anonymous Telecaster January 15, 2016 1:15 PM  

what that endgame is. Do they *want* us to become fascist...?

It's obvious that is one of their desired outcomes, if not THE one.
Still serves the Global Corps.

Anonymous DeepThought January 15, 2016 1:23 PM  

So let me get this straight, Western countries allow these migrants in, and your answer is to destroy their civil liberties up to and including jail and death.

How about just deporting them? Your anger over rides your common sense.

Blogger Were-Puppy January 15, 2016 1:24 PM  

@24 James Dixon

Is there ever a circumstance where quoting a Phil Collins song is a reasonable commentary on anything?
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80s night at a cat lady convention?

Blogger Were-Puppy January 15, 2016 2:14 PM  

@30 paworldandtimes

And yet, just one of me managed to eradicate a nest of 1,000 hornets in my backyard.
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A good analogy. and the actual hornet nest eradication story is probably pretty good too

Blogger Were-Puppy January 15, 2016 2:16 PM  

@31 Godfrey

Nationalism, sovereignty, religion, family, financial independence, etc. has no place in the NWO.
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When I see NWO, I think of these old wresting show. In that one, there was another wrestler who went outside the system and slowly culled the NWO roster by ambushes, stealth, surprise attacks, etc. In a way, that thing could happen in real life to the real NWO.

Blogger Were-Puppy January 15, 2016 2:20 PM  

@39 pyrrhus

Let's stop fooling around--close all mosques and level them....
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This would really rock the boat and get a bunch of them to leave really quick before things got worse.

Anonymous Discard January 15, 2016 2:25 PM  

19. Mike From Pasadena: It wasn't the European middle class that came to America after 1870, it was poor Italians, Jews , and Slavs. The middle class Euros, especially Germans, came right after 1848.

Blogger Were-Puppy January 15, 2016 2:26 PM  

@50 Jack Amok
Expel the invaders, don't stick them in camps and let them continue to erode your society and culture.
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Yes, that's the best way.

Anonymous Discard January 15, 2016 2:27 PM  

Firing Merkel would be strictly window dressing. Unless she was fired on a spit.

Blogger Were-Puppy January 15, 2016 2:28 PM  

Well, they can't leave her in power.

Blogger Gapeseed January 15, 2016 2:30 PM  

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Blogger Gapeseed January 15, 2016 2:31 PM  

Secularism will never defeat Islam because, as one Muslim put it, Secularists love life, while Muslims love death. Thus, Muslims will always outbid the Secularists in any confrontation and the Secularists will always cede ground to avoid the possibility of death. True Christians embrace the Cross, know that there are more important values than saving one's own life, and thus can even outbid Muslims due to our adherence and allegiance to law, love, reason, science, and most of all, the One True God.

If Europe is to be saved, it must be Christianity that saves it.

Blogger Feather Blade January 15, 2016 3:49 PM  

Second, there must be a full registry of illegal immigrants and migrants within Europe. This can be accomplished by making it clear that any undocumented personage found within Europe, or Germany, after a cut-off date will be summarily deported. Fingerprints and other identifying characteristics must be collected, allowing any criminal elements to be quickly identified and rapidly deported.

This, with immediate deportation to country of citizenship and forfeiture of assets, should be standard operating procedure in the US for any foreigner who commits (...fine. is convicted of) a crime regardless of his immigration status.

It should also have the additional provision that any foreign national convicted of a felony is forbidden from ever again re-entering the US for any reason; that any foreign national convicted of a misdemeanor is forbidden from entering the US for any reason for a period of not less then 5 years; both on pain of summary execution.

Just think of how much smaller our prison populations would be!

Blogger Were-Puppy January 15, 2016 3:49 PM  

Why is it when i go to google it looks arabic?
Screw them, don't know why i'm going there anyway.

Anonymous Mr. Rational January 15, 2016 4:05 PM  

@66 There are atheists who would fight to the death rather than live under Islam.  There are worse things than ceasing to be a little sooner.

Blogger Sevron January 15, 2016 4:18 PM  

Nth-ing the call that these suggestions would do nothing to solve the underlying problem. Wish Vox could add some context to this guest writer and explain why he thinks the guy knows what he's on about.

Blogger CarpeOro January 15, 2016 5:13 PM  

The suggested solutions are pointless in the end. Were there even a chance that they would be followed they would become entangled in the same legal morass in which everything else gets entangled in Western societies. The only chance for a semi-peacful resolution is straight up deportation. No "grandfathering", or exceptions beyond setting a date they had to be in the country already - and at that at least 10 years back. Perhaps not sufficient, but possibly enough to put some fear in the ones that remain.

Blogger the bandit January 15, 2016 6:13 PM  

@21

"While our country remains untainted with the principles and manners which are now producing desolation in so many parts of the world; while she continues sincere, and incapable of insidious and impious policy, we shall have the strongest reason to rejoice in the local destination assigned us by Providence. But should the people of America once become capable of that deep simulation towards one another, and towards foreign nations, which assumes the language of justice and moderation, while it is practising iniquity and extravagance, and displays in the most captivating manner the charming pictures of candour, frankness, and sincerity, while it is rioting in rapine and insolence, this country will be the most miserable habitation in the world. Because we have no government, armed with power, capable of contending with human passions, unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge and licentiousness would break the strongest cords of our Constitution, as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious [Christian] people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." -- John Adams

"The name of American, which belongs to you in your national capacity, must always exalt the just pride of patriotism more than any appellation derived from local discriminations. With slight shades of difference, you have the same religion, manners, habits, and political principles." -- George Washington

Anonymous Eric the Red January 15, 2016 6:29 PM  

Certainly Angela Burkhal must go, but the problems lie much deeper.
Here's what western woman is saying to western man:

- Have sex with me, and I'll get you thrown in jail for rape.
- Marry me, and I'll divorce you and leave you in poverty.
- Make me pregnant, and I'll kill the child.
- Say the wrong thing, and I'll get you fired.
- Promote me, and I'll ruin your company.
- Elect me, and I'll destroy your society.

Is it any wonder that he downfall of western civilization is instigated by feminism?

Anonymous BigGaySteve January 15, 2016 8:48 PM  

Small crimes - defecating on the seats, for example - must be punished by deportation...Large crimes must be punished by death.

But after being hosed down the train is fine.

Demographics is destiny.And yet, just one of me managed to eradicate a nest of 1,000 hornets in my backyard

Ann Coulter said she would kill any moslem child rapist given the death penalty, and I would be willing to play Michael Jackson's black doctor with the rest.

Better get right to post 3 because your solutions are not likely to be implemented short of the balkanization and war you warn of.

Yes please explain how we get to moslem heads on pikes with bacon in their mouths, I would like to visit Europe again before I die and don't want to get tossed off a roof.

What was ever wrong with closet sex? Irony is rhetorical.

I have always been ok with my house/apartment/hotel but even back then people went down by the railroad tracks.

how quickly and easily most modern urban areas can be severed from the rest of the "grid", including food, water, energy and communications

That's why we fled die verse city. It took the food stamp system going down on 10-12-2013 for 8 hours with massive chimp outs thought.

Anonymous BigGaySteve January 15, 2016 9:11 PM  

40. Angry This is a worthwhile comment from THE PRISS FACTORY at Unz Review:

The only gays/lesibans that wield the power he speaks of are jewish, with jewish lesbians worse.

Anonymous AhVery January 15, 2016 9:14 PM  

I understand removing radical preachers from the streets and those that incite violence, but ALL preachers? Seems extreme, and a surefire way of stirring the pot for the worse.

Anonymous Discard January 16, 2016 2:23 AM  

76. AhVery: Not everyone thinks that stirring the pot is a bad idea.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit January 16, 2016 4:49 AM  

Nevermind Merkel, the whole corrupt, vain elite must go. I've just come back from my local supermarket where I shop almost everyday. The security guard hassled me twice to show him what I had in my bag.

I told him to his face (he was the ubiquitous burly black security-type so it was probably not a good idea as he toward over me but I was annoyed since its not the first time) that people like me (a euphemism for white westerners) do not plant bombs and moreover, we know precisely who does (a euphemism for mooslims) and where they live (this country is riddled with cancerous police "no-go" areas) and he could make his job easier if he concentrated on actual potential terrorists.

I was very surprised when he actually agreed with me but told me that the law requires him to harass everyone equally. People who make these laws are the problem.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit January 16, 2016 4:50 AM  

toward = towered

Anonymous Shut up rabbit January 16, 2016 5:07 AM  

@21. kzm24
We are going to dictate to Islamic schools what they can and can not teach? WTF!


Grow up. We are saying don't let the backward goat fuckers in in the first place. Their barbaric religion is incompatible with hard fought for western values such as free speech. Why the hell should we let them in just because they've fucked their own countries? Would you let your neighbour come and live in your home because they trashed their own having a party and it was covered in piss and vomit?

It's not an issue if you just keep them out. Islamist-type ideas wither and die in a true western culture. They require the constant importation of ever more ignorance and violence (as, unfortunately we are seeing now) to prosper.

Anonymous Haxo Angmark January 16, 2016 5:58 AM  

@73 -

http://en.wikipedia.com/wiki/List_of_Jewish_feminists

I can't seem to find a list of non-Jewish feminists. Someone should get right on that

Anonymous Shut up rabbit January 16, 2016 6:49 AM  

@80 I can't seem to find a list of non-Jewish feminists. Someone should get right on that

Here's a list of the well-known ones:


















































Anonymous Shawn January 26, 2016 11:50 AM  

Good suggestions but I would go even further. All males & females with a Middle Eastern racial heritage need to be encouraged to leave the country. The government should offer free relocation services for them along with financial grants. Gradually, measures should be taken to make it illegal for employers to employ them. Outward displays of Islam need to be banned. Mosques closed down immediately.

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