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Saturday, January 23, 2016

National Review risks non-profit status

Justin Raimondo observes that Rich Lowry appears to have committed a serious legal blunder, as well as the obvious political one, with the "Stop Trump" issue:
The publication of a special “Stop Trump” issue of National Review was heralded in a blaze of publicity. Editor Rich Lowry appeared on Fox News and was interviewed by Trump nemesis Megyn Kelly, where he proceeded to denounce The Donald as a threat to the intellectual integrity of the conservative movement....

All well and good: there are plenty of reasons for principled conservatives (and libertarians) to oppose Trump. However, there’s one big problem with this well-publicized blast at The Donald.

In March of last year, Politico reported that National Review was becoming a 501(c)3 nonprofit organization, which would enable it to solicit tax-deductible donations: “Since its launch, the magazine has operated as a not-for-profit business, even as it came to rely on more and more donations in recent years. Starting next month, it will become a nonprofit organization, which will make it exempt from federal taxes. National Review also plans to merge with the nonprofit National Review Institute, its sister organization, according to a source with knowledge of the plans.”

Rich Lowry averred that the shift would be good for the magazine, which was fighting a costly lawsuit and had never been profitable anyway. “We're a mission and a cause, not a profit-making business,” he told Politico. “The advantage of the move is that all the generous people who give us their support every year will now be able to give tax-deductible contributions, and that we will be able to do more fundraising, in keeping with our goal to keep growing in the years ahead.’”

This anti-Trump issue of National Review is, in effect, a campaign pamphlet directed against a political candidate—indeed, the cover proclaims “Against Trump”—and, as such, is in clear violation of IRS statutes regulating nonprofit organizations.

The regulations are quite explicit that nonprofit organizations must “not participate in, or intervene in (including the publishing or distributing of statements), any political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for public office.”
I'm sorry, I have no cogent analysis to offer; I'm not even sure what the article said. I found it hard to pay attention after cracking up when I got to the part about "the intellectual integrity of the conservative movement."

That's a good one!

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Anonymous Kudos The Lexecutioner January 23, 2016 5:48 AM  

"Standing athwart history yelling 'stop'" indeed.

Blogger John Cunningham January 23, 2016 5:57 AM  

FM #424 here--The post by Raimundo is stunning. he quotes IRS guidelines that seem to cover the NR action precisely. it would appear that NR grossly violated its non-profit status.

Anonymous Richard Cucksworth Van Lowry III January 23, 2016 6:01 AM  

I say this Trump fellow is - if you'll excuse my language - a boor! An incorrigible boor!

The stench of noveau riche on him could be forgiven if he'd just do the gentlemanly conservative thing and lose gracefully, but his excitation of Joe Sixpack and Josephina Spraytan is unpardonable folly!

It's quite one thing to bamboozle the Walmart-shopping dullards with smirking sops to their religion and their flag, then let them know you've "grown" in office - or blame those dang Democrats for abortion on demand still being legal.

But the number one rule of Cuck Club is that you do not agitate the domestic peasantry against their replacement by a more servile class of swarthy peons--I mean, natural conservatives!

As I quipped to Peggy Noonan recently, Mr Trump needs to be given a surprise of the caliber that met the frightful Huey Long!

I wonder if the Bush family still have some useful friends in Saudi Arabia...

Anonymous 5343 January 23, 2016 6:02 AM  

You couldn't make this stuff up. Derb, Coulter, Steyn and everyone else they've kicked to the curb over the years must be giggling nonstop.

Blogger Phillip George January 23, 2016 6:03 AM  

I wouldn't put it past them calling abortion rights traditional conservative values.
I know, it's been said before, "conserving what?" - certainly not anything like a recognizable nation. Certainly not open honest declarations of detailed intent. Certainly not Christianity. They do have religion, in the traditional incense burning, Ommmmmmm mantras, feelz good, prostate tickling sort of way.

Ps. the Spectator have a book review that is intellectual in content. Yes, everything you are was born in Christendom. http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/01/the-holy-roman-empire-has-been-much-maligned/
It's impossible to grasp "conservative" without preservative, pan-dimensional salvation. Last man standing conservative to final blow.

Blogger Phillip George January 23, 2016 6:11 AM  

Ps. Are you talking about Lois Lerner's IRS doing the right thing? Porcus Avianus is a species of pig by some accounts and a species of bird by others. Eye witnesses abound.

Blogger Rek. January 23, 2016 6:37 AM  

If IRS gets involved I am gonna laugh my ass off.

Could someone with enough relevant knowledge confirm that IRS will get involved or is this going to be the latest instance of making an exception because someone at IRS feels an exception can be made just this once or twice or thrice ...

Blogger YIH January 23, 2016 6:41 AM  

It is rather confusing, is NR (the mag) a 501c now or will it merge with it's 501c counterpart?
If it is now, yeah NR screwed up big time - it's naked politicking. Granted, left wing orgs do that all the time (Democrat pols holding rallies in churches, open 'grass roots'/legislative lobbying), because they are never held accountable for it.
A GOPe publication OTOH is going to have that held against them! Something they should have been well aware of.
The American Cuckservative understands how that works:
There’s a reason why none of us at TAC will endorse a candidate or tell you not to vote for a candidate, even though most of us have opinions about that. That reason is that we are a publication of a 501(c)3 non-profit institution, and we can’t do that without endangering our status. We can talk about candidates and causes, but we have to be careful about endorsing any of them, or appearing to do so.
He can say ''I don't like Trump'' and does quite often, but he can't say 'I support X' or 'Don't vote for X'.
If the two NR divisions have merged, they're screwed - If they haven't, this will be used to block the merger... And don't think the 0bama administration isn't going to relish screwing them!
Note: The linked article did an update; They claim, as of now, they are not a 501c. I wouldn't take a twit as a definitive answer however.

Blogger Rantor January 23, 2016 6:49 AM  

Idiot woman on Fox claiming that Mitt Romney was a proven conservative (NR supported Mitt) and Trump is not. Considering that Mitt Romney was the architect of Romneycare, was pro abortion before he was anti-abortion, supported free trade, etc. he was a Northeast Country Club Liberal being supported as a true conservative by NR. I guess the question is why does NR hate Americans? Why do they want to sell us out? Why do they hate Coulter, Derbyshire, and Steyn. Why has Rush turned on NR, fully understanding that the Republican majorities in Congress have accomplished NOTHING.

An Alpha-Male leader is wanted by the American people sick of the Lambdaesque ass they elected. No leading from behind, no mass invasion of the homeland, no stupid rules that we can't investigate Muslim extremists, Trump isn't perfect, but of those running he seems the most likely to take a direct and pragmatic approach to the problems the US is facing without bowing to political correctness. Plus, if his appeal grows as the campaign proceeds, he is the only candidate I see having the momentum to expand majorities in the House and Senate. That could help him get some serious reform through, if he decides to take on serious problems. If he fails us, oh well, better to put up with him for four years than that shrieking worthless harpie the Democrats want.

Anonymous That Would Be Telling January 23, 2016 6:55 AM  

Interesting. The NRA issued such a blast against Dukakis in 1988, although they didn't really have to do anything more than quote him on the cover on a black background saying "I do not believe in people owning guns. Guns should be owned only by the police and military. I am going to do everything I can to disarm this state." (Lots of us living in Massachusetts back then were astonished he was so delusional to run for president of the whole nation.)

Thing is, they're a 501(c)(4), "Civic Leagues, Social Welfare Organizations, and Local Associations of Employees", vs. the NR's 501(c)(3), "Religious, Educational, Charitable, Scientific, Literary, Testing for Public Safety, to Foster National or International Amateur Sports Competition, or Prevention of Cruelty to Children or Animals Organizations" which operate under different and somewhat stricter rules. Although maybe they'll slide by since this could legitimately be considered educational, there are a whole bunch of nuances here, for example, the NRA is actually 8 or so formal organizations, including 4 501(c)(3)s, and the Institute For Legislative Action (ILA), which formally lobbies politicians and runs their PAC, which donates money directly to politicians (which given the small sums allowed post-Watergate is more of a signaling thing).

So don't assume the fraction of the money used to create this issue even came from the 501(c)(3) pot of money.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan January 23, 2016 6:57 AM  

"True conservatism" is being scolded by a pink hair twit and liking it, the brand is dead.

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein January 23, 2016 7:07 AM  

"STANDING ATHWART IRRELEVANCY, VIOLATING THEIR 501-C STATUS."

WFB spins in his grave while elsewhere Joseph Sobran chuckles.

Blogger David Awhsome January 23, 2016 7:15 AM  

I get it- they needed to push out promotional material to the GOPe to get donations. So the same people funding Jeb! are now funding this. The ironic thing is that this issue will only help Trump. I would bet that Cruz looks longingly at this issue wishing they were denouncing him.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan January 23, 2016 7:30 AM  

But will NRO double down? I bet not, or not as vociferously as the SJW would if challenged. I for one wish they would because what they are warring against is not Trump but the base

Anonymous Joe Blowe January 23, 2016 7:46 AM  

We're a mission and a cause, not a profit-making business,” he told Politico."

I always wondered how anyone could make money printing that cuckservative dreck. Of course NR was founded by effete Skull and Bonesman and "ex"-CIA man Bill Buckley for the express purpose of steering conservative rubes away from John Birch Society (who have been proven to be prophetic) nationalism and toward GOP Establishment globalism. It's a propaganda rag bought-n-paid for by the Globalist Bankster Elite. Now I wonder how much of the rest of the so-called Mainstream Media is unprofitable propaganda.

Anonymous Ain January 23, 2016 7:56 AM  

"“Donald Trump is a menace to American conservatism who would take the work of generations and trample it underfoot in behalf of a populism as heedless and crude as the Donald himself.”

You can't trample that with does not exist.

Blogger Giuseppe The Kurgan January 23, 2016 8:03 AM  

That's where I started laughing too. I was like..."the what?"

Blogger Eric Mueller January 23, 2016 8:17 AM  

The fact that they rely more on donations than subscriptions could be a good sign. Not enough people are paying to read National Review for them to stay afloat. And I assume they can't sell enough ads either.

Blogger Joe Keenan January 23, 2016 8:17 AM  

They did the same thing years ago to Pat Buchanan and Joe Sobran. NR fancies itself the gatekeeper for all things conservative. In reality, they're nothing but shills for their paymasters. After all, as the article says, they don't make money, how then do they continue to operate?

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr January 23, 2016 8:19 AM  

So, does NR get bought bu Trump, or Castalia House?

Blogger Kat January 23, 2016 8:32 AM  

I have been watching the Trump posts here with some confusion, because I really do respect Vox's opinions. I definitely think Trump is right on what he says about the borders and immigration, and would love to have a hefty dose of nationalism return to the US and bring us, God willing, back from this immoral and disgusting place we are now.

My problem with Trump is that, considering his history, I don't believe he's going to follow through - I don't believe he even INTENDS to follow through. Which, of course, makes him pretty much just like everyone else in our government. *sigh*

I know I'm going to get pinged for this - that's fine - and I'm going to go back and comb through older comment threads to see if, as I suspect, you guys have addressed this already and I didn't see it.

Blogger VD January 23, 2016 8:36 AM  

My problem with Trump is that, considering his history, I don't believe he's going to follow through - I don't believe he even INTENDS to follow through. Which, of course, makes him pretty much just like everyone else in our government.

You may be right. But we KNOW that none of the others are going to do anything but make it worse. A slim chance is always better than none. Plus, the guy is a maverick. Who knows what he'll do when he himself doesn't.

Anonymous Laz January 23, 2016 8:38 AM  

@21. Kat

I hear ya. It still feels like a vote for the lesser of two evils.

Anonymous That Would Be Telling January 23, 2016 8:40 AM  

@18 Eric Mueller:

The fact that they rely more on donations than subscriptions could be a good sign. Not enough people are paying to read National Review for them to stay afloat. And I assume they can't sell enough ads either.

I subscribed to it for a while back in the '80s and early '90s, and as far as I know this has always been true, and is commonly true for journals of opinion, especially ones not on the left.

And at least some of the ads were as much donations as ads, for example one textile company using ads for specialty products that were more geared for trade publications.

Blogger Lovekraft January 23, 2016 8:42 AM  

@21: here's a simple test for you: mention Trump to people you know as leftist/feminist. If they show a smug sneer, or dismiss him using Hilldog talking points, you know that Trump is your man.

Blogger Eric Mueller January 23, 2016 8:47 AM  

@25- It's funny watching other people on issues like this. The same people who were convinced The Obammesiah would be great despite having any actual experience now turn around and say that Trump doesn't have foreign policy experience. And of course, successful international business deals don't count in these people's minds.

Anonymous No January 23, 2016 9:05 AM  

Conservatives against profit. That's rich--er, poor.

Blogger Salt January 23, 2016 9:05 AM  

What kind of authoritarian will Trump be? Are there any indications one might point to?

Blogger Kat January 23, 2016 9:15 AM  

@22 Vox, I stupidly allowed myself to be gulled into supporting idiots the past two election cycles. I confess that I'm rather tired of it and am deeply suspicious of ANY ONE who steps on to the national stage, to the point now that I'm weary enough to throw up my hands and take my toys home and sulk (hardly mature or productive, I know). After all, my Beloved Husband and I are developing a lovely little homestead, with plenty of places to stash all sorts of necessities ;-)

Thanks for your response; as I said, I very much respect your opinions, and will consider the "maverick."

Even if he isn't eye candy, LOLOLOLOL :-P

Anonymous Laz January 23, 2016 9:18 AM  

"What kind of authoritarian will Trump be? Are there any indications one might point to?"

"You're Fired" is his catch phrase. I would imagine there would be more than a little house cleaning going on post-election.

Blogger Kat January 23, 2016 9:18 AM  

@25 Interesting tactic; it certainly would be awesome to try. However, I am fortunate enough that I have no one in my acquaintance who is that much of a leftist/feminist! Thank you, Lord, for preserving me from them!

Blogger YIH January 23, 2016 9:19 AM  

@21 kat:
I've said here before I have my doubts that Trump can even become the nominee, let alone elected. It seems now they are steering things Cruz's way as the 'anti-Trump'.
I also have my doubts that he will actually do any good should he win, in fact, I think what he may be doing a put-on in to snag something only someone of his stature can reach for. It's not like he's ever going to be a pro sports team owner.
I support him in order to give the finger to cuckservatives and the GOPe.

Blogger tz January 23, 2016 9:23 AM  

Intellectual Integrity = Skull Cucked.
Where were they with the cover symposium saying not to vote for Ryan as speaker?
Even better http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/01/22/must-watch-glenn-beck-video-92109-as-you-consider-his-rally-with-ted-cruz-tomorrow/ - both the video and the open letter.
"Standing Athwart History" sounds like nothing so much as a roadrunner cartoon where for the last 7 minutes Wile E Coyote has been crushed by a boulder, train, and steam-roller.

Blogger bearspaw January 23, 2016 9:24 AM  

@1
More like standing athwart history shouting ' buddy, have you got a dime?"

Blogger Kat January 23, 2016 9:29 AM  

@30 Laz, if he cleaned house in an Apprentice-like way, it would be FANTASTIC! As I am sure you agree, if our government bloat were cut even by (please, please, please!) 50%, it would be wonderful!

FYI, I work seasonally for a major tax preparation firm (no, I'm not going to confirm or deny which one), and have decided this will be my last season. I love my office mates - they are professional, competent, and delightful people - but I can no longer stomach dealing with the IRS's bull hooey for anyone other than my immediate family. I kept telling my more thoughtful clients to please put me out of a job and support something like Fair Tax (ANYTHING that would rip the IRS out by the roots, salt then burn the ground, and finally nuke it from orbit - just to be sure), but I suspect that's never going to happen. *sigh*

I *despise* Big Government, and if Trump DID fire everyone after being elected, I will eat any heaping of crow I earned and LOVE it!

Blogger tz January 23, 2016 9:32 AM  

Where were they on Ryan... Never mind
http://www.nationalreview.com/republicans-need-paul-ryan-speaker

Blogger rumpole5 January 23, 2016 9:33 AM  

You are too cynical in your criticism of these modern day tribunes. Many of them are right to be concerned that the rise of Trump is a crossing of the Rubicon that seals the end of the American republic, and hope for restoration if the same. However, many of us are simply ready to hope for a Marcus Aurelius instead of settling for the moral midgets presently in custody of our culture.

Blogger Kat January 23, 2016 9:34 AM  

@32 YIH, thanks, I'll check out the links. I think one of the reasons I'm so weary and frustrated is that I'm so TIRED of voting against something; we're so deluded and immoral that there seems to be no one to vote FOR.

I'll get over it and do my duty, I'm sure. But the information age certainly hasn't done the election cycle any favors, IMHO.

Blogger Cecil Henry January 23, 2016 9:45 AM  

The National Review is not a conservative anything.

It is a 'neo-conservative' enterprise created and acting specifically to control and redirect conservatives away from real conservative issues by co-opting them..

Just look at who is on the Board for starters. And look at the output, the blindness, the 40 years of dishonesty.

Its laughable to imagine they don;t think people see right through them.

They are despised.

Anonymous AT January 23, 2016 9:47 AM  

@21 Kat:


My problem with Trump is that, considering his history, I don't believe he's going to follow through - I don't believe he even INTENDS to follow through. Which, of course, makes him pretty much just like everyone else in our government. *sigh*


Let's say Trump wins (or even better, wins in a landslide) then completely betrays his supporters in all respects. That would be disappointing, but it would still demonstrate that you can win national office by seeking the votes of Americans rather than potential Americans.

Blogger pyrrhus January 23, 2016 9:56 AM  

Quite true, 501(c)3 organizations aren't allowed to support or oppose candidates..You can get away with some political activity, as long as it isn't overt enough to catch the attention of the IRS.....Everyone knows this except, apparently, the blockheads at National Review..

Blogger pyrrhus January 23, 2016 10:00 AM  

@25 I've seen quite a bit of concern trolling against Trump on FB by known liberal women.....

Blogger pyrrhus January 23, 2016 10:12 AM  

Apparently NR hasn't received 501(c)3 status yet, based on NRO's donation page, which doesn't mention tax deductibility.

Blogger Joe Keenan January 23, 2016 10:17 AM  

@39 You are correct!

Blogger tz January 23, 2016 10:19 AM  

NR: Don't call us "Neo-Conservative"
me: Yes, truth in labeling, I'll just call you "Neos".

Anonymous Desiderius January 23, 2016 10:47 AM  

Kat,

"Vox, I stupidly allowed myself to be gulled into supporting idiots the past two election cycles."

McCain is an idiot, Romney a coward. Neither Trump nor Cruz is either of those things. Take heart.

Blogger Nate January 23, 2016 10:47 AM  

I just don't have a problem with any conservative disliking Trump. Because after all, Trump is not a conservative.

He's not.

He's a populist nationalist.

Getting upset about this position or that position that Trump takes because it doesn't line up with conservative ideas is about as dumb as getting upset with a liberal because his ideas don't line up with yours.

A populist nationalist isn't a conservative.

Its more like a 1950s democrat.

Anonymous paradox January 23, 2016 11:04 AM  

@47 Nate

A populist nationalist isn't a conservative.

Its more like a 1950s democrat.


Or a Confederate veteran.

Blogger James Dixon January 23, 2016 11:23 AM  

> So, does NR get bought bu Trump, or Castalia House?

Their brand is worthless. Why would either want them?

> My problem with Trump is that, considering his history, I don't believe he's going to follow through...

And if he doesn't, are you any worse off than you are now?

> Many of them are right to be concerned that the rise of Trump is a crossing of the Rubicon that seals the end of the American republic..

The republic has been dead for 150+ years.

> That would be disappointing, but it would still demonstrate that you can win national office by seeking the votes of Americans rather than potential Americans.

Exactly.

> A populist nationalist isn't a conservative.

Agreed. Which is why I won't be voting for him in the primary unless a couple of others pull out.

Anonymous That Would Be Telling January 23, 2016 12:03 PM  

A populist nationalist also isn't a cuckservative, although he may be a cuck.

I'm not aware of any "conservatives" running for president who also aren't cuckservatives, most especially including Cruz, even if you were to trust the words of a professional Hispanic politician who's father was an immigrant. You're welcome to correct me if I'm wrong, since at this point I'm only paying attention to Trump and Cruz, then again the real tests begin with the caucuses and primaries.

Anonymous St. Cecilia January 23, 2016 12:35 PM  

I don't get it; if you're consistently unprofitable why worry about losing tax-exempt status?

Anonymous johnc January 23, 2016 12:41 PM  

At this point does it matter if Trump isn't a conservative? I can't think of a single conservative issue that even matters any more in a modern context of running for office.

Anonymous Mr. Rational January 23, 2016 12:51 PM  

@51 It's about the tax-deductibility of the contributions which finance you.

Blogger Young Heaving Bosoms of Liberty (d.b.a. automatthew) January 23, 2016 12:53 PM  

Nationalism is the point. I don't care about any other policies, the way I don't care about lice or a catarrh when I have a gangrenous limb.

Blogger RobertT January 23, 2016 1:19 PM  

The rules surrounding non-profits and all the possibilities here would take more space then you have available and more time than I’m willing to devote. If they are actually a non-profit and if their subscribers are allowed to deduct everything in excess of the market value of whatever they received in return (such as a magazine subscription), then National Review has stirred up an ugly pot, because their contributors will be less likely to contribute, and the IRS still thinks targeting conservatives will help their liberal causes. But in all honestly, NR’s probably not long for this world anyway.

Fyi … Mastercharge was originally organized as a non-profit, but ended up paying taxes anyway. In addition their contributors were found to lack charitable purpose, but by then they had learned they got more bang for their buck just deducting payments for valid business purpose, which they had no trouble defending.

There’s more than one way to milk a pig.

Integrity is a card from a TV game show the establishment plays to pump themselves up and discredit criticism.

Blogger Kat January 23, 2016 1:30 PM  

Thanks. I will say that I have been leaning towards Cruz, but Vox's stance has made me more cautious.

Blogger Kat January 23, 2016 1:33 PM  

James, yes, I suspect we would be worse off, because I could see Trump acting in an arrogant, self-absorbed, and Constitution ignoring manner, just like what we have now, and thus *continuing* the downward trend. :-/

Blogger Kat January 23, 2016 1:34 PM  

James, yes, I suspect we would be worse off, because I could see Trump acting in an arrogant, self-absorbed, and Constitution ignoring manner, just like what we have now, and thus *continuing* the downward trend. :-/

Anonymous Susan January 23, 2016 1:49 PM  

@automatthew,

That new moniker takes the total awesome cake. As to NR, they have been unprofitable and worthless since Lowry was put in as editor. Their publisher is an idiot for putting up with him.

To paraphrase Sundance, NR/NRO's credibility is melting faster than Glenn Beck's tears.

OpenID sigbouncer January 23, 2016 1:55 PM  

All these establishment rags against Trump. That should tell anyone with half a brain that they fear Trump and the changes he will bring about.

Yesterday's NR article had poster Josh using Bloomberg articles left and right against Trump. Knowing full well Bloomberg can't stand Trump and vice versa. Funny that today Bloomberg is considering an independent run intended solely to damage Trump's chances.

This is the kind of Trump bias the anti-Trump's rely upon. It's all intellectually dishonest writings about the man.

http://news.yahoo.com/michael-bloomberg-may-launch-independent-u-presidential-bid-152658508.html

Anonymous That Would Be Telling January 23, 2016 1:57 PM  

Roger L. Simon reveals the gravamen of "National Review's Jihad Against Trump"

One line near the beginning of National Review's issue-wide blistering of Donald Trump revealed for me the subconscious motive behind the enterprise: "He and Bernie Sanders have shared more than funky outer-borough accents."

Ah, I thought, a dog whistle to the
cognoscenti. The real problem with Donald is that he grew up in Queens, not Manhattan or Greenwich. He might have been "to the manor born," but it was the wrong manor. Ted Cruz missed his target. Those aren't "New York values." It's those tacky "outer-borough values."

OpenID sigbouncer January 23, 2016 2:01 PM  

"I just don't have a problem with any conservative disliking Trump. Because after all, Trump is not a conservative."


This can also be said about any of the Republican candidates.

Anonymous TheVillageIdiot(Ret.) January 23, 2016 2:19 PM  

Trump is Americas' Putin
DannyR

OpenID sigbouncer January 23, 2016 2:26 PM  

http://www.infowars.com/breaking-military-martial-law-bill-sneaked-through-by-senate/

Where the hell were the Republican Senators Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, Rand Paul and Rick Santorum on this bill?

Blogger Josh January 23, 2016 2:38 PM  

Yesterday's NR article had poster Josh using Bloomberg articles left and right against Trump. Knowing full well Bloomberg can't stand Trump and vice versa.

I used those articles because they contained the numbers you had asked for.

Blogger rumpole5 January 23, 2016 2:40 PM  

> The republic has been dead for 150+ years.
-- Yes, That is why conservatives, who would like for the republic to be restored, are apoplectic about Trump. It seals the status quo empire. Emperor Obama is deposed and replaced by Emperor Trump. We can only hope that we've drawn a Marcus Aurelius instead of Caligula.

OpenID sigbouncer January 23, 2016 2:42 PM  

@66

I didn't ask for any numbers. I provided them via the FEC. You know, a place where they are actually required to be accurate. Not from some hack job former mayor like Bloomberg with major Trump bias running an online rag.

Blogger Josh January 23, 2016 2:46 PM  

Where the hell were the Republican Senators Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, Rand Paul and Rick Santorum on this bill?

Santorum hasn't been a member of the state since 2006.

The bill hasn't even come up for a vote yet.

Blogger Were-Puppy January 23, 2016 2:47 PM  

@1 Kudos The Lexecutioner
"Standing athwart history yelling 'stop'" indeed.
--

My wordplay on it was:
Americans standing athwart Cuckservatives, yelling STOP!

OpenID sigbouncer January 23, 2016 2:53 PM  

@68

So? Plenty of other Senators are talking and stating their views on this bill. Where are the ones running for the highest office in the land? Is this not important enough for them?

Anonymous BigGayKoranBurner January 23, 2016 2:55 PM  

If IRS gets involved I am gonna laugh my ass off.

Not until after Trump wins, the IRS is only going after conservatives now.

They did the same thing years ago to Pat Buchanan and Joe Sobran. NR fancies itself the gatekeeper for all things conservative

William Buckley is now an honorary jewish lesbian.

Laz, if he cleaned house in an Apprentice-like way, it would be FANTASTIC! As I am sure you agree

If you want someone that can clean house firing people then you should support CEO Fiona

Blogger Were-Puppy January 23, 2016 2:59 PM  

@3 Richard Cucksworth Van Lowry III

Dick, I recently saw someone on Breitbart make a claim that you absolutely hate to be referred to as Jimmy Olsen. Is that true?

Blogger The Other Robot January 23, 2016 3:02 PM  

Meanwhile, is Infowars on crack or is Mitch McConnell trying to give the pResident powers to do really shitty things in a crisis during 2016.

Could they defeat Trump by suspending Elections or locking him up as a threat to decency and the CuckServative way?

Blogger Josh January 23, 2016 3:05 PM  

So? Plenty of other Senators are talking and stating their views on this bill. Where are the ones running for the highest office in the land? Is this not important enough for them?

What's Trump said about this bill?

Blogger Nate January 23, 2016 3:08 PM  

"Could they defeat Trump by suspending Elections or locking him up as a threat to decency and the CuckServative way?"

That would certainly be ironic... what with the fact that Trump supported Mitch McConnell in 2013.

Blogger Josh January 23, 2016 3:10 PM  

That would certainly be ironic... what with the fact that Trump supported Mitch McConnell in 2013.

To quote a trump spokesman, who cares what happened 15 or 20 years ago.

Blogger Nate January 23, 2016 3:10 PM  

"So? Plenty of other Senators are talking and stating their views on this bill. Where are the ones running for the highest office in the land? Is this not important enough for them"

maybe you need to drink less coffee. The congress in extremely divided on the issue of the AUMF... more than one have been submitted and debated and the fight was so nasty they ended up dropping it.

Its not going to be any different this time.

Blogger Were-Puppy January 23, 2016 3:12 PM  

Am I the only one who would be amused if, in the middle of these legal battles, Trump used eminent domain to claim NR headquarters? :P

Anonymous That Would Be Telling January 23, 2016 3:13 PM  

@73 The Other Robot:

Meanwhile, is Infowars on crack or is Mitch McConnell trying to give the pResident powers to do really shitty things in a crisis during 2016.

Of course they're on crack, but note they're quoting and linking to a report from DefenseOne, which I see is part of the Atlantic Media Company, which publishes the respectable, not completely insane and frequently interesting since I first read it a bit in ~1980 The Atlantic, the National Journal and so on.

Could they defeat Trump by suspending Elections or locking him up as a threat to decency and the CuckServative way?

It's hard to imagine the military going along with such a blatant suspension of the Constitution absent a crisis worst than "keep that mean guy out of the Oval Office". Nor are they said to be fond of Obama, who'd presumably stay President. And a lot of others would have a say in what would happen ... note the Instapundit's frequent comment that it's only the Constitution that stops us from tarring and feathering these annoying people.

Blogger Were-Puppy January 23, 2016 3:17 PM  

@37 rumpole5
Many of them are right to be concerned that the rise of Trump is a crossing of the Rubicon that seals the end of the American republic, and hope for restoration if the same.
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And all this time i've been hoping this is Trump crossing the Granicus as he demolishes each and every GOPe enemy on his way to greater things.

Blogger Were-Puppy January 23, 2016 3:19 PM  

If the IRS does go after Natty Reviews status, then that would actually be a feather in their cap as Conservative. On that basis, I bet the IRS treats this as useful idiots for the lefties, and lets it slide for now.

Blogger The Other Robot January 23, 2016 3:22 PM  

It's hard to imagine the military going along with such a blatant suspension of the Constitution absent a crisis worst than "keep that mean guy out of the Oval Office". Nor are they said to be fond of Obama, who'd presumably stay President. And a lot of others would have a say in what would happen ... note the Instapundit's frequent comment that it's only the Constitution that stops us from tarring and feathering these annoying people.

Desperate times call for desperate measures, and who knows, maybe the horse will learn to sing.

Blogger Were-Puppy January 23, 2016 3:22 PM  

@48 paradox
@47 Nate

Or a Confederate veteran.
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/facepalm

Blogger Were-Puppy January 23, 2016 3:25 PM  

@52 johnc
At this point does it matter if Trump isn't a conservative?
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A great analogy I saw about this was - Conservatives are arguing about the style of wallpaper while the house is burning down

Blogger Were-Puppy January 23, 2016 3:30 PM  

@56 Kat

Thanks. I will say that I have been leaning towards Cruz, but Vox's stance has made me more cautious.
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Hi Kat, on Cruz I can offer a lot more research. Look here for comment 310, i put a bunch of links about Teddy.

OpenID sigbouncer January 23, 2016 3:31 PM  

@74

"What's Trump said about this bill?"

I don't know I haven't asked him. Does Trump have a vote or voice in this as does a US Senator along the lines of Cruz, Paul, Rubio? Didn't think so...

Blogger Were-Puppy January 23, 2016 3:33 PM  

@60 sigbouncer

Nanny Bloomberg will be destroyed if he steps into this ring. And the NRA will see to that. They are all over his butt continually.

Blogger Were-Puppy January 23, 2016 3:35 PM  

@64 sigbouncer

http://www.infowars.com/breaking-military-martial-law-bill-sneaked-through-by-senate/

Where the hell were the Republican Senators Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, Rand Paul and Rick Santorum on this bill?
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Is that info wars reliable? I saw that but figured it will show up here if there is something to it.

OpenID sigbouncer January 23, 2016 3:36 PM  

@75

"That would certainly be ironic... what with the fact that Trump supported Mitch McConnell in 2013."

Donald J. Trump

@realDonaldTrump

Someone unknown tweeted incorrectly that I'm for Sen. Mitch @McConnellPress for speaker.
12:48 PM - 24 Sep 2014

Blogger Josh January 23, 2016 3:38 PM  

I don't know I haven't asked him. Does Trump have a vote or voice in this as does a US Senator along the lines of Cruz, Paul, Rubio? Didn't think so...

Where are the ones running for the highest office in the land? Is this not important enough for them?

Blogger Were-Puppy January 23, 2016 3:39 PM  

@76 Josh

To quote a trump spokesman, who cares what happened 15 or 20 years ago.
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Wait, didn't you guys quote something about October? Or was it November? :P

OpenID sigbouncer January 23, 2016 3:40 PM  

@77

"maybe you need to drink less coffee"

Why? So Cruz (24% missed Senate votes) and Rubio (26% missed Senate votes) can skip out on another Senate vote?

That's the problem with lazy asses who don't do their jobs and those like yourself who support them. Maybe it's another southern thing?

Blogger Josh January 23, 2016 3:41 PM  

@75

"That would certainly be ironic... what with the fact that Trump supported Mitch McConnell in 2013."

Donald J. Trump

@realDonaldTrump

Someone unknown tweeted incorrectly that I'm for Sen. Mitch @McConnellPress for speaker.
12:48 PM - 24 Sep 2014


Hey dumbass:

In 2013, Donald Trump gave $220,000.00 to organizations, many of them dedicated to stamping out the Tea Party. From Karl Rove’s American Crossroads to Mitch McConnell’s Super PAC, Trump spread out money. Rove got $50,000.00 and McConnell got $60,000.00. Trump also wrote a check to McConnell’s campaign directly for $5,200.00.

What’s more, Trump also gave $100,000.00 to the Congressional Leadership Fund, a Republican Establishment PAC that was created to crush conservatives at the behest of John Boehner.

OpenID sigbouncer January 23, 2016 3:42 PM  

@90

Once again Josh attempts to misrepresent what was stated. Here is the entire quote.

So? Plenty of other Senators are talking and stating their views on this bill. Where are the ones (Senators who have a vote) running for the highest office in the land? Is this not important enough for them?

Blogger Josh January 23, 2016 3:42 PM  

Wait, didn't you guys quote something about October? Or was it November? :P

I blew that call. I thought there was no way trump would ever file a financial disclosure. I was wrong.

Blogger Were-Puppy January 23, 2016 3:44 PM  

@89 sigbouncer
Donald J. Trump

@realDonaldTrump

Someone unknown tweeted incorrectly that I'm for Sen. Mitch @McConnellPress for speaker.
12:48 PM - 24 Sep 2014
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It wasn't long ago Blubberin' Beck was busted retweeting bogus tweets as if they were from Trump. And he's one of the writers bolstering the sterling reputation of Cuckservative Review in their Trump bashing extravaganza :P

Blogger Nate January 23, 2016 3:45 PM  

Sigbouncer look don't get all down... lots of people are tarded ok? Thousands of tarded people are out there living kick-ass lives.

OpenID sigbouncer January 23, 2016 3:45 PM  

@93

"Trump also wrote a check to McConnell’s campaign directly for $5,200.00."

Wow $5,200 bucks. I won that playing Fantasy Football this year.

Trump has already addressed these issues dick wart. In the private sector Trump has bought and sold many politicians. Who gives a shit?

Blogger Were-Puppy January 23, 2016 3:46 PM  

@92 sigbouncer
@77

"maybe you need to drink less coffee"

Why? So Cruz (24% missed Senate votes) and Rubio (26% missed Senate votes) can skip out on another Senate vote?

That's the problem with lazy asses who don't do their jobs and those like yourself who support them. Maybe it's another southern thing?
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Seriously? We've got a Canadian Anchor Baby and a regular Anchor Baby and you equate that to Southern? Oh the Humanity!

Blogger Josh January 23, 2016 3:47 PM  

Wow $5,200 bucks. I won that playing Fantasy Football this year.


He also gave Mitch's super Pac 60k.

OpenID sigbouncer January 23, 2016 3:48 PM  

@97

"Sigbouncer look don't get all down... lots of people are tarded ok? Thousands of tarded people are out there living kick-ass lives."

You appear to be a man of experience on the subject. Good to see you're proud riding the short bus to work Nate.

Blogger Sheila4g January 23, 2016 3:49 PM  

Excellent comment thread, as usual here. The whole NR bit has been vastly amusing; I think the best summation I read was actually that of Mark Steyn. I haven't been a fan of his in the past, but I've read 3-4 excellent columns by him the last few weeks. Regarding NR's animus against Trump, here's the article. A few samples:

"Trump is Dan Quayle, and everyone and his auntie are Lloyd Bentsen: "I knew Ronald Reagan, I worked for Ronald Reagan, I filled in Ronald Reagan's subscription-renewal form for National Review. And you, sir, are no Ronald Reagan."

My favorite: "The past is another country, and the Chamber of Commerce Republicans gave it away."

Blogger Were-Puppy January 23, 2016 3:50 PM  

@93 Josh

In 2013, Donald Trump gave $220,000.00 to organizations, many of them dedicated to stamping out the Tea Party. From Karl Rove’s American Crossroads to Mitch McConnell’s Super PAC, Trump spread out money. Rove got $50,000.00 and McConnell got $60,000.00. Trump also wrote a check to McConnell’s campaign directly for $5,200.00.

What’s more, Trump also gave $100,000.00 to the Congressional Leadership Fund, a Republican Establishment PAC that was created to crush conservatives at the behest of John Boehner.
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Ouch, that doesn't look good. I haven't dug into the Trumpster very deeply yet. Mostly been digging into the life and times of Tundra Ted. Maybe Trump next :P

Anyway, I'm very happy with the amount of destruction Trump has caused the GOPe even at this stage of the game, so he does have that in his favor!

Blogger unconventional nazi January 23, 2016 3:50 PM  

What I continue to find humorous is how the left has set the rules of the game & think that everyone will play along with their one sided application. In a recent interview they asked Trump his opinion about Obama's use of Executive Orders to bypass Congress. His response was along the lines of, "He's set a very interesting precedent." As Vox says, they've set the rules, fine we can do that. Look for a sudden upsurge in Congress people sooo concerned about Muh Constitution when Trump starts ruling by Executive Order just as Obama has.

OpenID sigbouncer January 23, 2016 3:51 PM  

@96

"It wasn't long ago Blubberin' Beck was busted retweeting bogus tweets as if they were from Trump"

Are you implying Trump did not tweet this? If so, how much would you like to wager on it?

Blogger Young Heaving Bosoms of Liberty (d.b.a. automatthew) January 23, 2016 3:52 PM  

That new moniker takes the total awesome cake.

I can't take credit. It was all Stg58/Animal Mother.

OpenID sigbouncer January 23, 2016 3:53 PM  

@99

"Seriously? We've got a Canadian Anchor Baby and a regular Anchor Baby and you equate that to Southern? Oh the Humanity!"

So you're saying Cruz (Texas) and Rubio (Florida) aren't southern backed?

Anonymous Monster Hunter Fan January 23, 2016 3:53 PM  

Part 1:

In the spirit of that National Review pile on, here is mine to the Trump supporters. It isn't as polite as National Review.

When Trent Lott, Bob Dole, John McCain, and Orrin Hatch would all prefer Trump over Cruz, you guys might want to reexamine who is the "anti-establishment" candidate. Duh.

When the dude donates to the likes of Clinton, Rangle, Schumer, and Rahm Friggin' Emmanuel, and the only right side donation that comes close in dollars is to Mitch "Turtle Face" McConnel's Great White RINO Hunt against the Tea Party Fund, that might be a clue who is part of the establishment.

But the banks own Cruz! Because he got a low interest loan that was fully secured with assets as collateral? Holy shit. Have any of you ever actually met an accountant? Do you even business, Bro? Meanwhile junk bond crony capitalist eminent domain deal maker dude who was in favor of single payer healthcare, TARP, and the auto bailout is going to save you from intrusive government?

But Cruz tried to hide it! No. You low information idiot. He declared it on one form and forgot it on another. That's as fucking stupid a crisis as binders full of women and dogs on car roofs. Quit falling for meaningless diversions.

You are supporting a life long democrat. Period.

Trump is a populist clown, an empty vessel for the wishful thinking low information types to ignore his history and behavior to put all their fondest wishes on. Make America great followed by mumble mumble bullshit is just Hope and Change all over again. Yeah, we elected an unskilled narcissist once before and how'd that work out? There were plenty of clues how Obama would operate, and the wishful thinking types ignored them all too.

Pull your head out of your ass. The Planned Parenthood supporting, assault weapon ban supporting. deal making, wealthy Manhattanite isn't going to save you. He is a populist telling suckers what they want to hear.

Oh, he's really going to secure the border? Bitch please. He thought squishy Romney was too harsh on the border, until he discovered it polled well this election.

He stands up against the media? Whoop de friggin' do. And that's coming from somebody who has been slammed as a racist/sexist/homophobic hatemongery wife beater in the national media for not being a liberal in a liberal dominated business. That doesn't mean you should hire me for a job I'm unqualified for. Sure. Reporters hate me. I'll operate on your brain tumor.

Anonymous Monster Hunter Fan January 23, 2016 3:54 PM  

Part 2:

The liberal media has hung on Trump's every word and given him tons of coverage, way out of proportion to every other candidate. You think that's a coincidence? Or because they always pick the republican who they think their candidate can beat, and if they don't they are liberal enough to live with.

Even if Trump is telling the truth (he ain't, but bear with me) and he actually converted on this giant list of issues where he has been a flaming liberal his whole life, he is still a loud mouth moron unsuited for the job.

So you give the populist hair piece a pass on this giant list of liberal statist big government positions, but then you nitpick the dude who has been an actual conservative, who has a history of pissing off the Hatch/McCain group you supposedly hate?

Fucking Trump condemned Cruz for calling McConnel a liar... You can't just do that in the senate and still make deals! Sure, McConnel is a liar and Trump is a jackass who will be cutting back door deals with Turtle Face to fuck over the Constitution, but hey, you can't insult people, because that's uncouth!

No shit... You hypocrite. You can't insult people. This is coming from somebody who makes me look like Mother Theresa on Twitter.

How stupid do you have to be to believe anything Trump says?

New York values? They are stupidly liberal. Period. Oh, play the 911 card. You really came together! America! Great. Then you all went back to your gun bans, absurd business regulations, high taxes, big soda bans, smoking bans, salt bans, horse bans, self righteous left wing snobbery, and electing socialists.

You StormTrumpers are pissed at the establishment? Fucking A. Welcome to the party. You are pissed about big government cronies bailing out their friends? Wonderful. Then pull your head out of your ass. The system you are mad at exists because guys like Trump bribe people like Clinton.

Blogger Were-Puppy January 23, 2016 3:56 PM  

@105 sigbouncer

Are you implying Trump did not tweet this? If so, how much would you like to wager on it?
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No, I was supporting your argument.
Beck and bogus tweets

Blogger Josh January 23, 2016 3:56 PM  

You appear to be a man of experience on the subject. Good to see you're proud riding the short bus to work Nate.

Nate doesn't work.

Blogger Nate January 23, 2016 3:56 PM  

I think the greatest thing about you idiot trump people... is you really believe he's for change.

You know else wants to see Trump get the nomination?

Trent Lott, Bob Dole, John McCain, and Orrin Hatch.


Yep... You can bet ol' Trent and Bob and John and Orin are just all fired up to see The Donald turn it all around.

I have some bad news for ya.

"Make America Great Again" is the 2016 version of "Hope and Change".

and my God do I hope he wins. Oh PLEASE JESUS let Trump win. The joy of rubbing it in your dumbass faces for the next 4 years is almost to much to hope for.

Blogger Were-Puppy January 23, 2016 3:58 PM  

@107 sigbouncer
@99

"Seriously? We've got a Canadian Anchor Baby and a regular Anchor Baby and you equate that to Southern? Oh the Humanity!"

So you're saying Cruz (Texas) and Rubio (Florida) aren't southern backed?
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Are we playing move the goalposts here? If you consider Citi and Goldman Sacks southern, sure they are southern backed.

Blogger The Other Robot January 23, 2016 3:59 PM  

When Trent Lott, Bob Dole, John McCain, and Orrin Hatch would all prefer Trump over Cruz, you guys might want to reexamine who is the "anti-establishment" candidate. Duh.

Born in the USA, he was born in the USA!

Oh, wait. Hi father was almost a wet-back and even his mother might have been a lapsed catholic at the time.

Even if it is a deep-state trick to foist a Davos-imbibing anti-middle class hack on us, you have got to admit that it is great to see all those neo-Cons shitting them selves.

OpenID sigbouncer January 23, 2016 4:00 PM  

@111 Josh

Well I'm sure he appreciates you answering for him. You two remind me of Ace and Gary with the way you answer and cover for each other.

http://videosift.com/vidthumb/Ace-Gary-in-A-hard-one-to-swallow.jpg?v=7

OpenID sigbouncer January 23, 2016 4:01 PM  

@113

You're certainly trying to move the posts. Look at my OP that you responded to and then tell me how my answer didn't apply.

Blogger The Other Robot January 23, 2016 4:03 PM  

I guess we will have to vote for Trump so we can find out what he will really be like as a President.

Blogger Were-Puppy January 23, 2016 4:04 PM  

@112 Nate
You know else wants to see Trump get the nomination?

Trent Lott, Bob Dole, John McCain, and Orrin Hatch.
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I know from my own research Stage Divin' Bob Dole has already endorsed Senor Jebrito.

OpenID sigbouncer January 23, 2016 4:04 PM  

@113

"Are we playing move the goalposts here? If you consider Citi and Goldman Sacks southern, sure they are southern backed."

Citi and Goldman didn't vote them into office. Southerners in Florida and Texas did though.

Blogger The Other Robot January 23, 2016 4:26 PM  

And now for something completely different:

Salon says all the Repubs, including the pretender, Trump, say the key is to slash taxes and spending on Latrina's crack babies.

Anonymous Spartacus xxxxx January 23, 2016 4:48 PM  

103. Were-Puppy
@93 Josh

In 2013, Donald Trump gave $220,000.00 to organizations, many of them dedicated to stamping out the Tea Party. From Karl Rove’s American Crossroads to Mitch McConnell’s Super PAC, Trump spread out money. Rove got $50,000.00 and McConnell got $60,000.00. Trump also wrote a check to McConnell’s campaign directly for $5,200.00.

What’s more, Trump also gave $100,000.00 to the Congressional Leadership Fund, a Republican Establishment PAC that was created to crush conservatives at the behest of John Boehner.

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Ouch, that doesn't look good.

Sure doesn't. Sheer speculation- you're a controversial, big wig deal maker, tossing around the idea of running for prez in a couple years. Sure would be good to get to know the opposition ahead of time- names, organizations, budgets, funders, level of fanaticism, etc. Maybe even pretend to be one of them. How about schmoozing 'em up ahead of time and cut them some quid in return for some quo, said quo tucked away for later use?

OpenID sigbouncer January 23, 2016 4:50 PM  

Salon is trash. It's owner David Talbot is a San Francisco hippie and drag queen supporter.

"Talbot champions the outsiders, a human carnival from hippies to drag queens to activists, against the authorities representing the old, mainly Catholic, establishment."

http://www.amazon.com/Season-Witch-Enchantment-Terror-Deliverance/dp/1439108218

Blogger The Other Robot January 23, 2016 4:57 PM  

If Whoopi "What Roman Polanski did is not really 'rape' rape" Goldberg leaves America then electing Trump would have been worth it!

OpenID sigbouncer January 23, 2016 5:00 PM  

Again, who gives a shit who Trump donated to when he was in the private sector. What does it prove? Nothing. It's just business as usual.

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/jul/09/ben-ferguson/donald-trumps-campaign-contributions-democrats-and/

Data from the Federal Election Commission and state elections offices provided by the two websites show that Trump has given $584,850 to Democrats and $961,140 to the GOP over the last 26 years.

It’s important to note that just as Trump’s political ambitions and private business interests often seem to overlap, it’s sometimes difficult to parse out the exact motivations behind many of his political contributions over the years.

As an influential real estate developer in the Northeast and in cities around the world, Trump’s contributions may have not have much to do with one’s political party.

From 1996 to 2007, for instance, Trump made 12 separate donations to New Jersey Rep. Frank LoBiondo, a Republican who represents the Garden State’s Second Congressional District. The district includes Atlantic City, where the Trump Organization used to have significant holdings.

While conservatives like Ferguson have criticized Trump for his donations to Democrats, Trump defended himself as having no viable Republican options in overwhelmingly blue states like New York. "Everyone’s Democratic," he told Sean Hannity in 2011. "So what am I going to do — contribute to Republicans? One thing: I’m not stupid. Am I going to contribute to Republicans for my whole life when they get heat when they run against some Democrat and the most they can get is 1 percent of the vote?"

Blogger The Other Robot January 23, 2016 5:04 PM  

Data from the Federal Election Commission and state elections offices provided by the two websites show that Trump has given $584,850 to Democrats and $961,140 to the GOP over the last 26 years.

Can you say "Pay for Play?" I knew you could.

Blogger Were-Puppy January 23, 2016 5:13 PM  

@108 Monster Hunter Fan
@109

Have I been waiting for you :P
I don't care about your Trump bashing, that's what every body does. What I like is the Cruz support!

I doubt you will respond, even though you post a huge epic rant earlier. I'm going to put a series of posts one topic each mostly. Respond if you dare. Cruz supporters never show up for the fight.

Blogger Were-Puppy January 23, 2016 5:15 PM  

Teddies Crazy dad & Religion -

Was his pop a Commie Guerilla for Castro?

I have no clue how you go from there to Canada and then to being a Texas Preacher. But as a Texas Preacher Dad Rafael Cruz has anointed Teddy as The Anointed One King of America,
Felito the Looter I

Seriously? This sounds like a huge financial scam to loot government coffers and stick the loot in a church.

OpenID sigbouncer January 23, 2016 5:15 PM  

I've noticed Josh doesn't like to give out links with some of his numbers that he would like people to believe as factual.

Josh's numbers on Trump's donations come from RedState.com. Whose owners are both neocons from the GW Bush administration. One (Ben Domenech) of whom was busted for plagiarism for both the National Review and Washington Post (where he resigned immediately).

More recently, Domenech was involved in a journalism scandal that resulted in the removal of his work from The Washington Examiner and the Huffington Post when it was disclosed that Domenech received $36,000 from Joshua Trevino, a conservative pundit and lobbyist, to write favorable opinion pieces about the government of Malaysia without disclosing the relationship. The payments came to light when Trevino registered as a foreign agent of the Malaysian government.

Trevino is the other owner of RedState.com by the way.

Just so you know where and who you are getting your "info" from.

Blogger Were-Puppy January 23, 2016 5:16 PM  

Ok, maybe Dad is a wack job. Would the anointed Super Christian King of America be hanging out with gay donors?

Speaking of donors, how can you forget huge loans from Goldman Sacks. FEC complaint filed about this and a Citi loan

Seems like we got a real fiscal genius on our hands here. Or is it a Crony capitalist?

What about Cruz Tax Dodging Sugar Daddy

Enough about finances, there is a crap load more for anybody with Google.

Blogger Were-Puppy January 23, 2016 5:20 PM  


His eligibility status is a real question, whether you like it or not.

This Dem stated way back he would sue on birthrigh citzenship if Teddy is the nominee

Here, have some more. Ted Cruz mother was on Official List of Canadian Citizens Eligible to vote

Proof that he did not become a US Citizen at birth?

From a Candian perspective

It's costing him in Iowa, Gov questions his citizenship

Even Rinse Pubis won't say he is Natural Born

So whether you like it or not, this issue is already, and will continue, to cost Cruz big time.

Blogger Were-Puppy January 23, 2016 5:21 PM  

Ok, lets move on to the Wife.

She's been VP for Goldman Sacks office, and has worked for the CFR on creating The scary North American Union

read it for yourself from CFR

We really need the damned EU style disaster here in North America.

Blogger Were-Puppy January 23, 2016 5:24 PM  

Tundra Ted and immigration. Reckon he'd be for it since he's an immigrant himself.

It's pure horseshit It's coming out of his own mouth expanding legal, opening a path for illegals.

FFS Tundra Teddy and Beck were giving out soccer balls and Teddies to illegal immigrants
What next, "Teddies for Terrorists" on the southern border?

Blogger Were-Puppy January 23, 2016 5:25 PM  

Maybe I should stop calling him Tundra Ted.

Maybe we should call him TPA Ted.

Yeah, he did write this to support fast track with Paul Ryan.


I can't even...

Blogger Were-Puppy January 23, 2016 5:27 PM  

Cruz, no way I would vote for that fraud after digging up all this information. Guess I'm not a True Conservative.

The desperation of Cruz supporters

Who is the Real Ted Cruz?

Blogger The Other Robot January 23, 2016 5:28 PM  

Hitler, Mussolini, Khrushchev, Trump

Things are getting mighty ugly. This week two Boston men beat up a homeless Hispanic immigrant. They used a metal pole to break his nose and batter his chest and arms. They also left him soaked in urine.

According to the New York Times, one of them told police that he was inspired by the anti-immigrant message of GOP presidential candidate Donald Trump. The man, Scott Leader, age 38, told the police, “Donald Trump was right, all those illegals need to be deported.”


NAMALT! But AGOALT!

Blogger Were-Puppy January 23, 2016 5:28 PM  

@119 sigbouncer

Citi and Goldman didn't vote them into office. Southerners in Florida and Texas did though.
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That I have no answer for. But I don't live in those states.

Blogger Were-Puppy January 23, 2016 5:33 PM  

@121 Spartacus xxxxx

Sure doesn't. Sheer speculation- you're a controversial, big wig deal maker, tossing around the idea of running for prez in a couple years. Sure would be good to get to know the opposition ahead of time- names, organizations, budgets, funders, level of fanaticism, etc. Maybe even pretend to be one of them. How about schmoozing 'em up ahead of time and cut them some quid in return for some quo, said quo tucked away for later use?
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All I can say in Trump defense here is what I heard from the horses mouth. In a couple rallies, I believe one was a big one in Pensacola, he talked about this. He said he gave money to everybody he is running with. He even gave to Hillary. He then said something hilarious like "You know why? Because when I call them, they have to Kiss My Ass."

So he basically sounds like one of the donors he's battling with in that regard. Buying access to power. That's just the way the game is played, much as we all hate it. And he was a player in that part of the game.

It's like Stevie Ray used to say "Don't hate the player, Hate the Game."

Blogger Were-Puppy January 23, 2016 5:38 PM  

@128 sigbouncer

Josh's numbers on Trump's donations come from RedState.com.
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That's also home base for Super Cuckster Supreme Erick Erickson, one of the fine upstanding Cuckroids that contributed to the Natty Review Against Trump issue.

OpenID sigbouncer January 23, 2016 5:45 PM  

@138 Were-Puppy

Not much of a surprise since one of his bosses (Domenech) wrote for the NR before they busted him for plagiarism. That crew will apparently write anything for $$$.

Blogger Were-Puppy January 23, 2016 5:47 PM  

Such a shame to smear the Monter Hunter name with Seagull birdshit.

Blogger Were-Puppy January 23, 2016 5:48 PM  

Sig, I got mixed up in a lot of posts. My whole thing is, 2 immigrants are not the same thing as a Southerner. We don't have Magic Dirt, remember?

OpenID sigbouncer January 23, 2016 5:51 PM  

@141 Were-Puppy

Gotcha.

Blogger Josh January 23, 2016 6:04 PM  

I've noticed Josh doesn't like to give out links with some of his numbers that he would like people to believe as factual.

Here's a link for you.

Those contributions are directly from the FEC database.

Bitch.

Blogger Were-Puppy January 23, 2016 6:12 PM  

I guess all the Tundra Ted supporters are drinking Canadian Mist with Blubberin' Beck and Mark Levin while astride a Zamboni driven by Greg Guggfield, as it traverses into the Canadian sunset.

Blogger Josh January 23, 2016 6:15 PM  

Just so you know where and who you are getting your "info" from.

You mean (((info)))

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY January 23, 2016 6:22 PM  

143. Josh
You and sigbouncer need to get a room.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY January 23, 2016 6:31 PM  

But AGOALT!
Translation, please.

Anonymous johnc January 23, 2016 6:34 PM  

@118 I know from my own research Stage Divin' Bob Dole has already endorsed Senor Jebrito.

And Orrin Hatch endorsed Jeb! as well. Trent Lott endorsed Kasich. And John McCain said he isn't endorsing anybody, but he did mention three guys he likes, and Trump isn't one of them.

But a few posters here were somehow able to distort these facts and claim that these four are backing Trump. Uninformed or dishonest?

OpenID sigbouncer January 23, 2016 6:35 PM  

@143 Josh

"Those contributions are directly from the FEC database."

That doesn't change the fact that your original source and copy/paste job came from that rag RedState.com

It shows who you read and where you get your info from. You get your info from a hacks for money outfit like RedState. That crew will write anything to make a buck.

Blogger Were-Puppy January 23, 2016 6:42 PM  

@148 johnc
@118 I know from my own research Stage Divin' Bob Dole has already endorsed Senor Jebrito.

And Orrin Hatch endorsed Jeb! as well. Trent Lott endorsed Kasich. And John McCain said he isn't endorsing anybody, but he did mention three guys he likes, and Trump isn't one of them.

But a few posters here were somehow able to distort these facts and claim that these four are backing Trump. Uninformed or dishonest?
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I am going to say dishonest. I have previously only seen such claims made by Cruzbots, but there might be others.

OpenID sigbouncer January 23, 2016 6:43 PM  

@148 johnc

"But a few posters here were somehow able to distort these facts and claim that these four are backing Trump. Uninformed or dishonest?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ux3DKxxFoM

Blogger Josh January 23, 2016 6:44 PM  

That doesn't change the fact that your original source and copy/paste job came from that rag RedState.com

It shows who you read and where you get your info from. You get your info from a hacks for money outfit like RedState. That crew will write anything to make a buck.


Is the information accurate?

Blogger Doc Rampage January 23, 2016 6:46 PM  

"The intellectual integrity of the conservative movement" involves sticking to principles rather than tossing them aside for temporary gains. Sure, NR could have made some fans by supporting Trump, but since Trump is pro-choice, pro-Obama-care, pro-big-government, pro-gay-marriage and a self-declared fan of some of the most corrupt Democrats in the US, it would have been hypocritical for NR to support him. They could not have taken any other position and maintained their integrity as a ideologically oriented organization.

Just because they don't share your ideology doesn't mean they don't have one.

OpenID sigbouncer January 23, 2016 6:53 PM  

@152 Josh

Just because it was this time doesn't mean it will be next time.

No wonder your political views suck. With you supporting a GW Bush neocon group, who writes for the National Review, whose owners have been busted for plagiarism and writing a piece to make a buck. Go back in your hole.


"RedState.com whose owners are both neocons from the GW Bush administration. One (Ben Domenech) of whom was busted for plagiarism for both the National Review and Washington Post (where he resigned immediately).

More recently, Domenech was involved in a journalism scandal that resulted in the removal of his work from The Washington Examiner and the Huffington Post when it was disclosed that Domenech received $36,000 from Joshua Trevino, a conservative pundit and lobbyist, to write favorable opinion pieces about the government of Malaysia without disclosing the relationship. The payments came to light when Trevino registered as a foreign agent of the Malaysian government.

Trevino is the other owner of RedState.com by the way.

Just so you know where and who you are getting your "info" from."

Blogger Nick S January 23, 2016 6:59 PM  

Is it unreasonable to think a megalomaniac might be less amenable to sound advice and instruction than most? Is it unreasonable to be concerned that someone who is inclined to think in terms of growing companies might also be more predisposed to growing the government than he lets on?

Blogger Josh January 23, 2016 7:12 PM  

No wonder your political views suck. With you supporting a GW Bush neocon group, who writes for the National Review, whose owners have been busted for plagiarism and writing a piece to make a buck. Go back in your hole.

What are my political views?

I don't read RedState. I found the article from a google search.

How does quoting from an article equal supporting a GW Bush neocon group?

Anonymous Desiderius January 23, 2016 7:16 PM  

"Cruz supporters never show up for the fight."

Oh we're here.

Watching you flail around impotently is amusing.

Anonymous Desiderius January 23, 2016 7:18 PM  

Josh,

"What are my political views?"

You'd have as much luck arguing with an SJW. They think disqualify and transparent bad faith is an argument.

Blogger Josh January 23, 2016 7:21 PM  

You'd have as much luck arguing with an SJW. They think disqualify and transparent bad faith is an argument.

Stormtrumpers always lie?

Anonymous Desiderius January 23, 2016 7:23 PM  

In general, "he's not a conservative" arguments (Monster Hunter's being about the best I've seen) won't do a whole lot of good because most of Trump's supporters aren't conservatives (at least not ideologically) either - they're folks fleeing the anti-white/male/Cristian jihad that has taken over the Democratic Party.

A Trump who can mobilize them along with some portion of the R base can win, but so can someone who can mobilize the whole R base if the refugees just don't vote at all and the blacks go back to their usual voting levels.

Anonymous redsash January 23, 2016 7:24 PM  

@115 Sig, you didn't know? Nate and Josh were Siamese twins until Dr. Carson separated them. Nate, Josh, and myself are from the South. Not a region of the U.S., but a defeated nation. We are wary of yankees because yankees usually turn out to be carpet baggers. I first joined the Trump team because the ONLY person in Congress I trust, Jeff Sessions, supported Trump. Simple as that.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY January 23, 2016 7:25 PM  

Is the information accurate?
Well, smarty farty is it ?
Remember that Ericson is a white knight Trump hating cuck of the first order.

Anonymous Desiderius January 23, 2016 7:27 PM  

"Stormtrumpers always lie?"

Not always, but old habits are hard to break. Wasn't long ago a lot of the stormtrumpers were Ds.

Blogger Doc Rampage January 23, 2016 7:27 PM  

Where-Puppy, I'm not surprised you have trouble finding Cruz supporters to argue with. Why should anyone bother responding to a bunch of gotcha-style rumors and half-truths about Cruz's dad, Cruz's wife, and Cruz's business history? They aren't relevant.

The criticisms against Trump are based on Trump's own words about his own political positions, and Trump's own actions in supporting particular political positions and politicians.

If all of your rumors and half-truths about Cruz are true, it shows that Cruz is a pretty typical politician, but one that has a long history of rejecting deal-making in order to stand for anti-goverment, anti-illegal-immigration, pro-life, pro-Christian positions.

If even a tenth of the evidence against Trump is true, then he's at best a political opportunist who takes whatever position and makes whatever deal will do him the most personal good, regardless of ideology.

Sure, I can understand that there are tactical reasons to support him, but don't be fooled into thinking that he actually shares any of your values except temporarily and for his own benefit.

Blogger Doc Rampage January 23, 2016 7:28 PM  

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Anonymous Desiderius January 23, 2016 7:31 PM  

"I first joined the Trump team because the ONLY person in Congress I trust, Jeff Sessions, supported Trump."

Well, it was more that Trump supported Sessions' immigration plan, which is a yuge mark in his favor, but Sessions himself has not endorsed Trump's candidacy.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY January 23, 2016 7:32 PM  

" I first joined the Trump team because the ONLY person in Congress I trust, Jeff Sessions, supported Trump. Simple as that. "
Yup.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY January 23, 2016 7:34 PM  

Not always, but old habits are hard to break. Wasn't long ago a lot of the stormtrumpers were Ds.
Sure.

Anonymous johnc January 23, 2016 7:34 PM  

@153

Unfortunately NR isn't against Trump because of the issues you list. They generally have no problem supporting Republicans with those ideas.

But heaven forbid if a candidate steps out on immigration, trade policy, or foreign wars. Those are the non-negotiables that lead to excommunication. You can just ask Pat Buchanan all about it.

I guess it's good that some people still think NR is a credible publication though.

Blogger The Other Robot January 23, 2016 7:39 PM  

But AGOALT!
Translation, please.


All Gun Owners Are Like Those rabid dogs like the Sandy Hoax killer and Dylan and Kebold and so on.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY January 23, 2016 7:40 PM  

" What are my political views?"
Well what are they ? Is saint Paul's boy your guy ?

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY January 23, 2016 7:42 PM  

170. The Other Robot
Thanx much.

Blogger Josh January 23, 2016 7:44 PM  

In general, "he's not a conservative" arguments (Monster Hunter's being about the best I've seen) won't do a whole lot of good because most of Trump's supporters aren't conservatives (at least not ideologically) either - they're folks fleeing the anti-white/male/Cristian jihad that has taken over the Democratic Party.

Yup.

Have you read the MBD piece I linked to a couple of days ago, about Sam Francis and Pat Buchanan?

Trump supporters are nationalists, not conservatives, so they can't be swayed by "he's not conservative" arguments.

OpenID sigbouncer January 23, 2016 7:44 PM  

@156 Josh

"How does quoting from an article equal supporting a GW Bush neocon group?"

Because your immediate response as to who they were was to defend them. When first offered an opportunity to deny that you read them. You opted instead to defend them. Now you're dicktucking and running from it. No surprise.

@152

Sigbouncer: That doesn't change the fact that your original source and copy/paste job came from that rag RedState.com

It shows who you read and where you get your info from. You get your info from a hacks for money outfit like RedState. That crew will write anything to make a buck.

Josh: Is the information accurate?

Blogger Josh January 23, 2016 7:49 PM  

Because your immediate response as to who they were was to defend them. When first offered an opportunity to deny that you read them. You opted instead to defend them. Now you're dicktucking and running from it. No surprise.

Where did I defend redstate?

OpenID sigbouncer January 23, 2016 7:50 PM  

@161 redsash

I did not know that. Thanks for the clarity on those two. It helps. I'm on board with Sessions too.

Anonymous Desiderius January 23, 2016 7:51 PM  

"It shows who you read and where you get your info from."

He got it from a Google search. SJWs always lie. They're not the only ones.

Keep flailing.

Anonymous Desiderius January 23, 2016 7:57 PM  

johnc,

"Unfortunately NR isn't against Trump because of the issues you list."

They don't help.

"They generally have no problem supporting Republicans with those ideas."

To the extent they've supported such Republicans (their record is mixed), they've done so despite those ideas.

"But heaven forbid if a candidate steps out on immigration, trade policy, or foreign wars. Those are the non-negotiables that lead to excommunication. You can just ask Pat Buchanan all about it."

Yeah, that's a mark against them. Not as big a black mark as their hypersensitivity/fecklessness on identity issues (race, sex, orientation, etc...). That's where they lost me (Derbyshire, etc...).

"I guess it's good that some people still think NR is a credible publication though."

They got some credible people to contribute to this issue. There is a difference.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY January 23, 2016 7:58 PM  

@169 johnc


"But heaven forbid if a candidate steps out on immigration, trade policy, or foreign wars. Those are the non-negotiables that lead to excommunication. You can just ask Pat Buchanan all about it."
Well said.

" guess it's good that some people still think NR is a credible publication though."
Some people still think the Earth is flat also.

Anonymous Desiderius January 23, 2016 7:58 PM  

"I'm on board with Sessions too."

I'd venture to guess that we all are. Why isn't he running?

OpenID sigbouncer January 23, 2016 8:01 PM  

"Where did I defend redstate?"

You were called to the carpet for getting your info from RedState

@152

and you opted to defend them. There was no google denial.

Blogger Josh January 23, 2016 8:13 PM  

and you opted to defend them. There was no google denial.

That is not a defense, you retard. I was asking if the information I quoted was accurate.

If dailykos says 2+2=4 are you going to start screaming that 2+2=5?

Blogger Josh January 23, 2016 8:14 PM  

Well what are they ? Is saint Paul's boy your guy ?

I stand with Rand.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY January 23, 2016 8:25 PM  

Josh,
I asked you a question at #171. could you please answer it ?
You and I both know what you should do here.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY January 23, 2016 8:30 PM  

Ok, I see you you answered me me before my previous post, thanks. Oh, the butthurts ye must feelz, to support Mr. don't stand a chance in hell that is.

Anonymous Quartermaster January 23, 2016 8:34 PM  

@12
“WFB spins in his grave while elsewhere Joseph Sobran chuckles.”

I'd say it's more like a belly laugh. It was obvious very quickly that when the doddard turned the editorial seat over to little Richie, NR was doomed.

@15
Buckley was partially right about the Birchers. Welch went off the deep end and rendered the JBS pretty much useless.

@64
Santorum has long been out of the senate.

@67
“You know, a place where they are actually required to be accurate.”

Methinks you have a rather naive view of FedGov.

@79
“note the Instapundit's frequent comment that it's only the Constitution that stops us from tarring and feathering these annoying people.”

Didn't stop anyone in the early 19th century.

Anonymous johnc January 23, 2016 8:35 PM  

@178 They got some credible people to contribute to this issue. There is a difference.

Although true, the result is only to tarnish their once credible reputations.

Because no matter how much lipstick they put on their argument, we know that the inner heart of it is that they are against Trump because of his unorthodox views on the three cardinal virtues of neoconservatism.

If Trump were a war hawk who believed America should be a country for everyone but Americans, that same magazine would be lauding Trump as a new saviour of the Republican Party. (Except Glenn Beck, but he has mental issues.) So I think the veneer is very thin here and why all those involved lack credibility.

They should have at least been blunt and honest and said, "Hey, we love watching foreigners f--- our bride."

OpenID sigbouncer January 23, 2016 8:51 PM  

@183

"I stand with Rand."

Not buying this. I still think we are gonna read one day about this guy getting caught in some fancy southern downtown swank restroom nose deep in Jeb Bush's pit hairs.

Blogger Were-Puppy January 23, 2016 9:03 PM  

@164 Doc Rampage

Where-Puppy, I'm not surprised you have trouble finding Cruz supporters to argue with. Why should anyone bother responding to a bunch of gotcha-style rumors and half-truths about Cruz's dad, Cruz's wife, and Cruz's business history? They aren't relevant.

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I wasn't trying to reference anything about Trump in my Cruz research.

So a video of Cruz saying he wants a 500% increase in H1B visas is a gotcha? He also talks about a pathway to citizenship and bringing the illegals out of the shadows. In just one of the links I provided.

Honestly, I looked all this stuff up because I didn't know anything about the guy. I had only heard good things too. No one ever has an answer to these things.

Blogger Thucydides January 23, 2016 9:11 PM  

Like using a 12 gage to shoot yourself in the foot. Bet that will hurt.....

Blogger Were-Puppy January 23, 2016 9:12 PM  

@157 Desiderius
"Cruz supporters never show up for the fight."

Oh we're here.

Watching you flail around impotently is amusing.
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Teddy can be very amusing if you can get past being a hidebound supporter more hard headed than a Stormtrumpster

Blogger Nate January 23, 2016 9:22 PM  

"I still think we are gonna read one day about this guy getting caught in some fancy southern downtown swank restroom nose deep in Jeb Bush's pit hairs."

That's because you're a dumbass noob.

Josh has been around here for years and he's been a pathetic Paul fanboi for all of them.

Blogger Josh January 23, 2016 9:26 PM  

Josh has been around here for years and he's been a pathetic Paul fanboi for all of them.

Guilty as charged.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY January 23, 2016 9:33 PM  

187.
Josh has been a Paulite like forever. There's no BS with him on that,not at all. And cut your yankee BS out,sigbouncer.
I 'm a product of the blessed by the Almighty South too, and no crap will we take from that gaggle you call yours.
I'm gonna leave you yankees and carpetbaggers with this :
When you come down here and just visit, you are welcome.
When you come down here to live and want to bring your yankee ways , customs and lifestyle and ram it down our throats, you bastards can fuck yourself sideways, period.

Anonymous Desiderius January 23, 2016 9:46 PM  

"When you come down here to live and want to bring your yankee ways , customs and lifestyle and ram it down our throats, you bastards can fuck yourself sideways, period."

I came down there and lived and liked it so much I brought a good many Southern ways back with me up north, only to discover that a not a few other folks had been doing likewise in the meantime.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJYgJfRj0Do

BTW Nate, like Cracker Barrel, sweet tea crossed the Mason-Dixon line long ago. Now boiled peanuts, haven't seen any of those up here yet.

Anonymous Mr. Rational January 23, 2016 9:52 PM  

@194 I have, on the shore of Lake St. Clair no less.  Interesting snack but not something that established a habit.

Anonymous Desiderius January 23, 2016 9:53 PM  

"Teddy can be very amusing if you can get past being a hidebound supporter more hard headed than a Stormtrumpster"

Give me a choice between a shit sandwich and a shotgun full of buckshot, I'll be looking for some good horseradish mustard. Doesn't make me hidebound by any stretch.

I'm not the one throwing tantrums and trashing everyone with the temerity to make a different choice than my own. Men of principle will disagree from time to time. No need to get anyone's panties in a wad.

Anonymous Desiderius January 23, 2016 9:54 PM  

Another good one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3JatEPwbrM

Anonymous Desiderius January 23, 2016 9:56 PM  

"Because no matter how much lipstick they put on their argument, we know that the inner heart of it is that they are against Trump because of his unorthodox views on the three cardinal virtues of neoconservatism."

Just saw 13 hours. Neoconservatism is dead.

Anonymous johnc January 23, 2016 9:58 PM  

I'd love to know what "Yankee ways, customs and lifestyles" are.

But back to Cruz... he seems pretty plain and clear-cut wrong on immigration, which is the most important issue. He is right on ethanol subsidies, though... which is like issue #476 on the list.

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