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Saturday, January 23, 2016

No Code of Conduct

Paul M Jones provides another good way to address SJW entryst attacks:
What is NCoC

No Code Of Conduct is a groundbreaking new idea. Designed to help you find communities and projects that will not get stuck endlessly debating how members should behave in their communities, only to be found to never be fully resolved to anyone's liking. What if... we all agreed?

    We are all adults. Capable of having adult discussions.

    We accept everyone's contributions, we don't care if you're liberal or conservative, black or white, straight or gay, or anything in between! In fact, we won't bring it up, or ask. We simply do not care.

    Nothing else matters!

Q: Great! How do I add this to my project?

Simply copy CODE_OF_CONDUCT.md into the root directory of your project. You may modify it to your needs.

Q: How do I promote No Code of Conduct?

Feel free to talk about, discuss, and promote No Code of Conduct anywhere you wish, and use the hashtag #NCoC on Twitter.

Q: What if, this makes me feel discriminated against?

If you feel this way simply because we do not have a code of conduct, it is hard for anyone to relate to you. This is not intended to discriminate against anyone. Simply because we don't babysit people on our site to make sure they treat you with respect, does not mean we hope you feel unwelcome, or that you are treated without respect. That is just not something we have time for.
I still favor the One-Finger Code of Conduct myself, but there is certainly a place for the No Code of Conduct as well as the Code of Merit.

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51 Comments:

Blogger Rantor January 23, 2016 11:49 AM  

We accept everyone's contributions, we don't care if you're liberal or conservative, black or white, straight or gay, or anything in between! In fact, we won't bring it up, or ask. We simply do not care.

I would add to that, "If you bring up issues of race, politics, gender or sexuality, be prepared for people to disagree with you, insult you or tell you to mind your own business. Any of these responses is acceptable."

Anonymous lurk January 23, 2016 11:56 AM  

You may modify it to your needs.

This sets off alarms to me. Foot in the door type thing.

How long until it's a SJW CODE_OF_CONDUCT.md that just got slipped in there?

OpenID simplytimothy January 23, 2016 12:07 PM  

I am leaning towards leaving tradition in place and marking a project as compromised if it includes a CoC.

The counter-case is a project that includes Linus shooting the bird, that would be a postive signal...

I think on balance, the tradition angle works so why break it? But then you have the problem of ceding the field to the SJW crowd.

Dang! I do not like the fact that a GNU tar file is now contested social space. Its a source archive for crying out loud.

Blogger synp January 23, 2016 12:14 PM  

"We are all adults. Capable of having adult discussions."

Who's "we"? Does this apply to all contributors to the project? What is the maintainer supposed to do if some contributor isn't? What are they supposed to do if a conflict does come up?

In the PHP discussion, even those who wrote against the CoC admitted there was a problem with "toxic internals". They can add Rantor's paragraph, but even more importantly, they should add:

"If the discussion turns out to be not an adult discussion, dealing with it is at the sole discretion of the project maintainer."

Blogger RobertT January 23, 2016 12:23 PM  

2. This sets off alarms to me.

This is the opening SJWs use. This is where all the bad stuff starts. Jussayin'.

Blogger Happy Housewife January 23, 2016 12:29 PM  

A fun way to pass the time is to think of the greats throughout history, and imagine how they would react to an underling proposing a CoC.

Patton
Julius Caesar
Napoleon

To name a few.

Blogger tz January 23, 2016 12:36 PM  

Digitial Code of Conduct #4.
Each finger on one had represents a power of two. 1,2,4,8,16.
Find a mirror, make a fist, and extend the finger corresponding to 4.

Anonymous No January 23, 2016 12:54 PM  

Heck, Code of SJW Defenestration is too diverse and welcoming. It means you let the vampire in.

Blogger Derek Kite January 23, 2016 1:03 PM  

4 Every workplace is 'toxic'. As Vox said in another thread, the more toxic the better (I paraphrase). Different people react differently, and in a largish endeavor where there are 10 good ideas on how to proceed, each with thought and personal buyin, 9 have to cede. Reality intrudes. So you suck it up and cooperate, or leave. The more free and open the discussion, the better.

What I find amusing about this is how detached from the reality of programming this is. I have run into far more narly problems in programming that have left me frustrated, insulted, humiliated, and deeply challenged as to who I am as a person than I ever have when dealing with people.

Do codes of conduct mean I can't swear at the obstreperous piece of %^#@*! that I'm fighting with, or curse under my breath at the turd who wasted a day of my life finding and working around a bug they created? I fully expect invective if I am the cause of such frustration.

Anonymous sickoflibs January 23, 2016 1:06 PM  

Adding any sort of CoC accepts the SJWs' frame. The only right answer is "not interested, please go away." Make it absolutely clear that they're pissing in the wind and will not elicit any sort of official reaction.

OT: Jon Corbet comes out in support of SJW entryism in Linux, deleting LWN comments critical of Karen Sandler's agenda:

http://lwn.net/Articles/672963/
http://lwn.net/Articles/673128/

LWN is a tiny, niche, low-budget operation. They depend on goodwill and donations to fund their travel to various conferences. Even a few canceled subscriptions will sting. Feel free to leave your feedback for Mr. Corbet in that thread.

Blogger James Dixon January 23, 2016 1:39 PM  

Short, sweet, and to the point. I like it.

Blogger Jack Ward January 23, 2016 1:46 PM  

The middle finger. So direct; so in their face; so conserving of energy and time. Much less verbiage needed.
I like it....

Blogger caecus January 23, 2016 1:55 PM  

This guy is trying to take the high road, and ends up being too nice. Looks like another case of "arguing to zero" and thinking that is some kind of victory. I much prefer Vox's approach.

Blogger Nate January 23, 2016 2:20 PM  

Why is milo.. a flaming gay dude accepted on the far right?

Because all he does is contribute.

That's how you earn respect. You contribute.

Sjws hate this... because they cannot contribute.

Blogger The Other Robot January 23, 2016 2:35 PM  

On the other hand, it seems like those refugees in Germany believe in the Retards Code of Conduct.

Blogger tz January 23, 2016 2:45 PM  

@14 - mostly agree.

But SJWs WILL not contribute. They'd rather complain about something silly, then complain about not being accepted for their silly suggestions, then complain about being attacked and harassed over their publicizing the rejection...

They put an amazing amount of effort into complaining.

A tiny fraction of that effort would be all that would be needed to make an actual contribution.

But you can't expect it from the barbarianettes.

Blogger LP999 S.I.G. Burnin' Up January 23, 2016 2:58 PM  

SJW CoC will always fail, really, its beautiful

SJW's and the delicate types or snowflakers need love - gees they need more attention that our baby puppies do. Puppies need treat, love and huggies.

What is wrong with participants or the younger generations obsessing over CoC? Gen X and Boomers dont mind, info is processed and exited or dismissed.

Kids or our younger readers need to remain on objective observation mode and maybe learn from or consider when you are rebuked or questioned to back up a questionable comment. (Even I have quite more to learn.)

Blogger Aeoli Pera January 23, 2016 3:20 PM  

I still favor the One-Finger Code of Conduct myself

Linus Torvalds liked this.

Blogger Aeoli Pera January 23, 2016 3:28 PM  

What is wrong with participants or the younger generations obsessing over CoC?

Moloch worship. Most questions about "kids these days" can be answered that way.

Blogger Aeoli Pera January 23, 2016 3:34 PM  

Hey Vox, the East coast is getting destroyed by a snowstorm right now. Can we get a DC, NYC, and Cambridge-bashing thread?

Blogger LP999 S.I.G. Burnin' Up January 23, 2016 3:48 PM  

19 Ah! Understood. Forgot rule number ____ mini sjws in training or the dysinformed lie, want CoC in policy pamphlets they eventually go against. Then wonder why others take them to task for doing X which is not lawful via manual or against Y via their pooolicy manuals.

CoC - if all these other sensitive types have safe rooms or meds why do they need CoC? To trap unsuspecting newbies? Paper pushers are wasting everyones time with CoC.

The rule here are clear, no one seems to have any issues with them. I should review those rules of blog.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan January 23, 2016 3:51 PM  

CoC another way to allow the mean girls to ruin something

Anonymous BigGayKoranBurner January 23, 2016 3:57 PM  

Why is milo.. a flaming gay dude accepted on the far right?

Consider this. How do you get a public place to be dirtier than a gay bathhouse after hurricane Sandy? Just add moslems

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/01/22/locals-fled-pool-after-migrants-masturbated-into-jacuzzi-defecated-into-kids-pool-molested-bathers/

Anonymous BigGayKoranBurner January 23, 2016 4:01 PM  

Why is milo.. a flaming gay dude accepted on the far right?

This is the gay hero of the left, not the guy that reported it but the illegal alien tranny:

"“Meza said Rios-Covarrubias had agreed to baby-sit the child while the mother went to work. Meza said Solis would stop by and see her child just one day a week.

Police said they were tipped off Monday morning after a man Rios-Covarrubias had met online for sex showed up at the apartment at around 7 a.m. and noticed a bad odor.

He also observed the child bound and gagged with duct tape kept inside a closet, Meza said.”
http://www.fox10tv.com/story/30997789/mesa-pd-bound-child-found-in-bag-of-feces-shocks-the-soul#ixzz3xpxB0CXW

Anonymous Tim Meehan January 23, 2016 4:05 PM  

As I said on my twitter, I know both McRapey and Austin Ziegler (ruby CoC defender). I even minded his dog once. Now if he supports Butts...

Blogger Gaiseric January 23, 2016 4:24 PM  

I still favor the One-Finger Code of Conduct myself

Back in the day, that used to just be called PLONK!

Which I think is a perfectly great alpha response to anyone proposing a code of conduct. Ban them and say PLONK! about it publicly so everyone on the project can see it.

Blogger James Dixon January 23, 2016 5:02 PM  

> ...the East coast is getting destroyed by a snowstorm right now.

Promises, promises. :)

Blogger Were-Puppy January 23, 2016 6:08 PM  

When an SJW proposes a Coc, if everybody would simply respond "Who's this fat kid?" it would make the SJW retreat into their safe space.

Anonymous No January 23, 2016 6:26 PM  

Gee whiz BGKB, that is what you call multitasking.

Blogger LP999 S.I.G. Burnin' Up January 23, 2016 6:38 PM  

23 Milo is Bbeautiful! PRprofessional, Blonde. Perfect at Breitbart, hilarious at Twitter cute in a hat, adorabbbles!

Different person but consider Mike C and Milo as professionals. Both are fearless with the pen - Both seem bold and formidable if a serious conflict approaches. Neither back down from problems like so many around current circles.

Northeast WV like Ohio Valley 2 to 6 inches, nice and cold.

By way the ladies if our men have to go out, and the car is covered. We know the drill; clean it off, warm it up.

Blogger Giuseppe The Kurgan January 23, 2016 7:20 PM  

I think there may be place for an Anti-Code of Conduct.

If you don't call the latinos Dagos, the blacks Niggers, the lesbians dikes, the metrosexuals fags, the trannies just abominations that should be set on fire, and cuss at least twice a week when someone makes a stupid suggestion, you cannot work on this project. If you are straight, white and male, we'll still call you fag. Just because.

Blogger Mark Citadel January 23, 2016 7:24 PM  

Milo is a relatively witty, intelligent man with some degenerate habits. He's not so different from Sargon of Akkad. For what good he does, he can be appreciated, but I don't think the far right have ever considered him 'one of us', so the association by the left used to attack Milo as some kind of extremist is rather stupid. You don't have to be terribly radical for the left to brand you as such, just criticize them.

Blogger HalibetLector January 23, 2016 9:57 PM  

Just something amusing I found an hacker news. The following link is an anonymous web developer speaking out against CoCs. The link after was the original hacker news link, which seems to have been memory holed.

https://4fa6134ddde55ae0092b69e1eb287d2840301d0a.googledrive.com/host/0B6kjFNJtv3yzUjY4M21QenJzdGc/

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10960864

Blogger Aeoli Pera January 23, 2016 10:42 PM  

@31 Giuseppe,

I think there may be place for an Anti-Code of Conduct.

If you don't call the latinos Dagos, the blacks Niggers, the lesbians dikes, the metrosexuals fags, the trannies just abominations that should be set on fire, and cuss at least twice a week when someone makes a stupid suggestion, you cannot work on this project. If you are straight, white and male, we'll still call you fag. Just because.


Also, once a week you have to accuse someone of being a Jew who is not actually a Jew.

Blogger weka January 23, 2016 10:43 PM  

The one finger variation of the No Code of conduct code.

1. There is no code of conduct for this project.
2. All code is peer reviewed.
3. All contributors of code are welcomed.
4. We do not tolerate any attempt to subvert or censor the reviewer of code. As most codes of conduct do this, we will ask any member to leave if they suggest such.

Blogger weka January 23, 2016 10:45 PM  

@34, Aeoli, you kike, you forget that being accused of being a member of the tribe or the middle kingdom is generally a compliment.

Blogger Aeoli Pera January 23, 2016 10:46 PM  

@30 LP,

Milo is Bbeautiful! PRprofessional, Blonde. Perfect at Breitbart, hilarious at Twitter cute in a hat, adorabbbles!

Girlfriend, there is no way you are not caveman otherkin. Embrace your Neanderthal pride and join our political movement of insane autistic retards!

Blogger Aeoli Pera January 23, 2016 10:54 PM  

Oh yeah weka? You must be one of those self-loathing Jew lizard niggers. For your information, I identify as caveman otherkin and the correct 2nd-person pronoun is "xu", which is of course pronounced in phonetic lojban.

Blogger Aeoli Pera January 23, 2016 11:01 PM  

@27 James Dixon,

> ...the East coast is getting destroyed by a snowstorm right now.

Promises, promises. :)


Naw, I'm not taking credit for this one. Haven't even begun the Kickstarter for my doomsday device.

That was a joke, but now I'm wondering if people might not donate to something like that. How much is a round trip to Sierra Leone? I could introduce the immune systems of Washington DC to vibrant diversity.

Blogger weka January 24, 2016 12:23 AM  

Spacebunny is an elf
Jews are dwarves.
The Catholics are hobbits.
The communists are orcs.
The Reformed are Rangers.
And Aeoli is an Ent.

Anonymous Wyrd January 24, 2016 1:50 AM  

Just finished the third John Carter of Mars novel. It's hard to take heroes seriously who go around in the nude. Put your junk away, John Carter.

Blogger Dexter January 24, 2016 1:53 AM  

Code of Conduct:

1. Do your job.
2. Don't hinder anyone else from doing theirs.

The end!

Blogger Aeoli Pera January 24, 2016 1:59 AM  

And Aeoli is an Ent.

^ Best compliment I've ever received, and I've been compared to Chuck Norris.

The entwives thing gets me down sometimes, but 40,000 years is a blink of the eye, if you think about it. Two decades of Omega-dom has taught me that everything in life is about perspective.

Anonymous Wyrd January 24, 2016 2:01 AM  

Jews are dwarves.

Dwarves are Scotsmen, dolt.

Anonymous Epimandes January 24, 2016 2:19 AM  

"the correct 2nd-person pronoun is "xu", which is of course pronounced in phonetic lojban."

Sad to say that I actually know how to do that. It would be pronounced "khoo," where the "kh" is like the "ch" in "Bach."

Blogger Ahazuerus January 24, 2016 5:15 AM  

@Dexter

1 Do your job or fuck off *

* Bitching about other contributors opinions is not your job. Fuck off.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 24, 2016 9:24 AM  

@weka
That's the 4chan code of conduct

Anonymous That Would Be Telling January 24, 2016 10:11 AM  

Good bit of rhetoric in the context of the attack on Ruby from a bryanedds on Reddit:

When someone accuses you of being 'toxic', tell them, 'ya, I am toxic... to parasites.'

Anonymous Euro contracter January 24, 2016 10:43 AM  

Jeff Atwood on CoCs. Yeah, you probably can guess which side he joins. Bullied by twitter.

http://blog.codinghorror.com/the-hugging-will-continue-until-morale-improves/

In the comment section, he goes.

"To quote ESR:
Let's not. The guy is literally crazy, at least on topics like this."

You're too short for this ride. Your time as a thought leader is over. Done. Get lost, Jeffy.

Blogger lorenzstransky January 24, 2016 1:53 PM  

Here's a good CoC.

https://github.com/ciafwywcoc/ciafwywcoc/blob/master/CODE_OF_CONDUCT

Basically, it's 'do whatever the fuck you like or fuck off.'

Anonymous tublecane January 25, 2016 2:17 PM  

Q: What if this makes me feel discriminated against?

A: Who cares?

or, A: Go away.

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