Not even a cuckservative
This officially blows the lid off the Republican Party. Nimrata Randhawa Haley is an open Invader-American; the Spanish version of her State of the Union response is pro-amnesty.
Of course, at this point, it should no longer surprise anyone that an Invader-American would side with the invaders who raised her and not the Americans among whom she was raised. The dirt is not magic. Someone should write a book about it. Oh, wait, someone already did.
Governor Nikki Haley is trying to get out ahead of the building expose’. Haley just gave a DC press conference claiming she does not support “amnesty”; however, against her earlier admission of Speaker Ryan and Leader McConnell approving the script – the Spanish version must have held similar approvals.If you still think any good Republican is pro-America, you're being played. BOTH factions of the bi-factional ruling party are anti-America. Break out your battle flag and wave it high in the certain knowledge that Nimrata and the Republicans are on the other side.
Governor Haley gave the English version, Miami Representative and party-insider Mario Diaz-Barlat delivered it in Spanish. Here’s a (paragraph by paragraph) comparison as translated by the Miami Herald:
♦ English (Via Haley): No one who is willing to work hard, abide by our laws, and love our traditions should ever feel unwelcome in this country.
Spanish (Via Diaz-Barlat): No one who is willing to work hard, abide by our laws, and love the United States should ever feel unwelcome in this country. It’s not who we are.
♦ English: At the same time, that does not mean we just flat out open our borders. We can’t do that. We cannot continue to allow immigrants to come here illegally. And in this age of terrorism, we must not let in refugees whose intentions cannot be determined.
Spanish: At the same time, it’s obvious that our immigration system needs to be reformed. The current system puts our national security at risk and is an obstacle for our economy.
♦ English: We must fix our broken immigration system. That means stopping illegal immigration. And it means welcoming properly vetted legal immigrants, regardless of their race or religion. Just like we have for centuries.
Spanish: It’s essential that we find a legislative solution to protect our nation, defend our borders, offer a permanent and human solution to those who live in the shadows, respect the rule of law, modernize the visa system and push the economy forward.
♦ English: I have no doubt that if we act with proper focus, we can protect our borders, our sovereignty and our citizens, all while remaining true to America’s noblest legacies.
Spanish: I have no doubt that if we work together, we can achieve this and continue to be faithful to the noblest legacies of the United States.
Of course, at this point, it should no longer surprise anyone that an Invader-American would side with the invaders who raised her and not the Americans among whom she was raised. The dirt is not magic. Someone should write a book about it. Oh, wait, someone already did.
Labels: cuckservative, immigration, politics
123 Comments:
Farook her.
Incidentally I googled up Farook to check the spelling. Nothing. So I googled up Pasadena shooting. Nothing again. I had to get very specific before I began getting results. Google must have jimmied the system.
Exactly.
Any "conservative" party advancing the likes of Rubio, Bush, Ryan, Nimrata Haley and "Grinnin' Mitch" is clearly, clearly, clearly not going to conserve jack shit.
Ditto wikipedia. Just sayin'.
Trump comes as our Destructor. His nomination should destroy the Republican Party. That will be a great thing.
It is now clear we need more than that, Trump should be looking to build coattails down the ticket.
After Haley spit in the face of her entire state by removing the Confederate Flag from the capital it shouldn't be a surprise Haley wants to destroy the USA by flooding America with foreigners. She's already erased a pillar of history and culture.
TRUMP/CRUZ 2016... Time to push the big red button.
@1 RobetT:
It wasn't Pasadena. It was San Bernardino. The shooting comes right up.
Incidentally I googled up Farook to check the spelling. Nothing. So I googled up Pasadena shooting. Nothing again. I had to get very specific before I began getting results. Google must have jimmied the system.
I'm not surprised.
The woman had all the blatant ties to Terrorism. Syed was the epitome of The Moderate American Muslim. Its why if that had been a liberal gun control false flag, they were doing it wrong.
You have to protect the image of The Moderate American Muslim to keep the "peace".
@ 6. Cinco
TRUMP/CRUZ 2016...
Cruz is not a natural born citizen: requires both parents to be American citizens at time of birth.
Being allowed to give last night's speech was Haley's reward for being a good establishment tool in the was against everything Southern.
After duly attacking Trump and duplicitously coddling our Ultra-Southern friends, I'd say she's all set and ready to go as the GOP's Hillary in 2020.
And it means welcoming properly vetted legal immigrants, regardless of their race or religion. Just like we have for centuries.
*sigh*. Not surprised that an Invader-American like her knows squat about history.
@ #9
Lol, you think we follow the Constitution!?
You have to protect the image of The Moderate American Muslim to keep the "peace".
I have meet 7 dwarves in real life but will never meet a black or moslem as smart as seen on TV. My new favorite response to "I Know A Good One"
And it means welcoming properly vetted legal immigrants, regardless of their race or religion. Just like we have for centuries.
Do you think she knows that America is not even 3 centuries old?
"requires both parents to be American citizens at time of birth."
Is that correct for 1970?
@ 12. Cinco
Lol, you think we follow the Constitution!?
If you don't give a damn about the Constitution, you're a cuck-citizen. Take your Mayo and go back to Mexico.
Here response to the Confederate battle flag BS should have been enough to tell what type of a traitorous pandering she is.
@6 Cinco
TRUMP/CRUZ 2016... Time to push the big red button.
Fuck that Cuban/Canadian.
TRUMP/WEBB 2016, time for a ticket that doesn't hate White people!
dienw, please describe in detail in which ways our current federal government mirrors the one authorized by the Constitution.
Thank you,
Trump/Webb beats Trump/Cruz any day of the week, unless you support big war and the big banks. Then Cruz is your man.
TRUMP/WEBB 2016
I graciously accept.
XD
@15
Sigh...
If you don't give a damn about the Constitution, you're a cuck-citizen. Take your Mayo and go back to Mexico.
There is a difference between caring about something and actually following it as it was originally intended.
I think you may have missed the sarcasm in my statement. Not that your belief about Cruz's eligibility matters anyway, Barry set that precedence.
@9 I completely agree that natural-born citizen as understood by the Founding Fathers requires both parents to be citizens at the time of birth.
However, it hasn't been litigated, and no US court is going to make a ruling that invalidates the Obama presidency after the fact. Rather than open the US government to massive liability, they will simply ignore historical facts and rule in favor of Cruz and Rubio.
Your tax dollars wisely spent.
http://www.campusreform.org/?ID=7154 UCSB to host discussion on 'safe spaces' for 'fat, gay men'
I will save them a whole bunch of money. Either work out or earn more money & move to a border state where you can still get an 18yo Hispanic boyfriend, with the biggest drawback of that being having an 18yo Hispanic boyfriend.
@22
Right, could not have said it better.
@18. WinstonWebb
dienw, please describe in detail in which ways our current federal government mirrors the one authorized by the Constitution.
Thank you,
It doesn't. That doesn't make it irrelevant in regards to whom you are going to vote for: unless we are merely to chose a new serial dictator.
It doesn't. That doesn't make it irrelevant in regards to whom you are going to vote for: unless we are merely to chose a new serial dictator.
That's all we've done for the past 150 years.
TRUMP/WEBB?
Trump/Garrison!
That doesn't make it irrelevant in regards to whom you are going to vote for: unless we are merely to chose a new serial dictator.
Ah, but it does.
The establishment only sends us centrists and leftists. We can't move further right by electing a centrist even if they meet the standards outlined in the Constitution.
No one the left sends forward has the slightest intent of following virtually any portion of the Constitution (the right too), period! As VD would say, when playing chess, and your opponent pulls a gun, the proper move is not to move your queen into position and announce "Checkmate".
Trump and Cruz are not ideal candidates. But they represent the greatest blow to the future liberalization of America. I don't care if Trump or Cruz is the unholy offspring of a wombat and a shih-Tzu.
You want a chance at getting Our Constitution back? Push the big red button man, once those 20 million illegals become legal, IT IS OVER!
@5 Jew613 January 13, 2016 4:52 PM
After Haley spit in the face of her entire state by removing the Confederate Flag from the capital it shouldn't be a surprise Haley wants to destroy the USA by flooding America with foreigners. She's already erased a pillar of history and culture.
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+1000
TRUMP/WEBB?
Trump/Garrison!
It's going to take -
Smith/Wesson.
Haley is trying out for the VP slot.
Which I was expecting.
The Establishment is starting to grasp the fact that they won't have one of their own at the top ticket. So they are deciding who goes into the number two slot.
Right now Rubio is their best however...
...The Bushies HATE Rubio more than they do anyone else.
Which is why Haley is getting play right now. They want to see if she can walk a tight rope in a high wind. They want another woman VP candidate but they don't want another Sarah Palin.
Saw Trump saying he wouldn't pick her because she's weak on the illegal immigration.
Haley is toast in SC after she caved to SJW and took down the Confederate Flag. The only way to save her political career is to become a GOPe diversity lapdog and maybe she will land herself a Cabinet position.
If you don't give a damn about the Constitution, you're a cuck-citizen. Take your Mayo and go back to Mexico.
You are actually the cuck. You are engaging in asymmetric warfare by holding yourself to a standard that your enemy does not. You would rather lose morally than win. And yes, we are trading dictators.
Saw Trump saying he wouldn't pick her because she's weak on the illegal immigration.
He'll win the nomination if he says he would never pick Nimrata Haley due to her disrespect for Southern American tradition.
Haley's treasonous speech was despicable enough even before knowing the Spanish translation of it.
Mark Steyn had a good article on this, although he calls them the "Stupid Party";
http://www.steynonline.com/7418/the-stupid-party-gets-stupider
Regardless of whether it's idiocy or treachery, the destination is the same.
Easy, now. My shih tzu would kick that faggoty Cruz around all day long.
@#4
Trump comes as our Destructor.
Sure hope it works out better for The Donald than it did for the Stay-Puft Marshmallow Man.
Forget the differences, I'm offended that there is any need (or desire) to deliver a Spanish version of the speech at all.
The Establishment is starting to grasp the fact that they won't have one of their own at the top ticket. So they are deciding who goes into the number two slot.
I see this as battle-space prep for a brokered convention. Ryan's "That is not who we are" is their line in the sand; it is them telling us what we must give up. This betrayal is consistent with their determination to go 'All Europa" on us and 'govern' their way despite us.
As for the typical Cruz-bashing, some of it legitimate but most of it nonsense (Cruz is more consistently nationalist, Christian, and anti-immigration than Trump is), consider this;
Trump was a hardcore liberal Democrat until well into his 60s. He voted for Obama in 2008, is friends with Al Sharpton, close personal friends with both Clintons (both of whom attended his most recent wedding), and was persuaded to run in the Republican primaries by Bill himself.
For all we know, Trump could be a SJW double agent whose purpose is to smoke out the nationalists.
Maybe he is, maybe he isn't. And I understand that some people are okay with taking that chance. Hell, Trump is my second choice after Cruz since no one else is even remotely palatable.
But the possibility of leftist treachery is very high with Trump.
All politicians, including Trump, believe you, dear reader, are stupid and, statistically speaking, they're at least half right.
But the possibility of leftist treachery is very high with Trump.
However, the possibility of rightist treachery is very high with Cruz.
@41
For all we know, Trump could be a SJW double agent whose purpose is to smoke out the nationalists.
Exactly, which is why I keep refering to Trump as the big red button. He is quite literally the nuclear option.
When "historical facts" differ from "legal facts" - that's quite funny.
Judge's "What laws will we write today?" "What's convenient?"
Re: Jesus' Resurrection:
The secularist: "Who cares, what does it matter, it's only faith, it's a matter of religion, it's relative to what your culture is"
The professional historian: "People believed it happened."
The rabbinical Jew: "It didn't happen."
The Muhammadan: "It didn't happen."
The traditional American: "It did happen."
Politics - all of it, everywhere explained in under 200 words
But the possibility of leftist treachery is very high with Trump.
As opposed to the certainty of treachery with all the other candidates, well, that's why he's got all the support.
The only way I would even consider supporting Cruz is if he divorced and denounced his wife.
@9. dienw
Not correct. See 8 USC section 1401(d). See also 128 Harv. L. Rev. 161 wherein two former Solicitors General of the U.S. conclude that Cruz is a natural born citizen under long-standing U.S. law.
The Republican Party is dead to me. Trump will cut a swath through Washington, and even if he doesn't win, he will destroy the GOP, which is a needful thing.
@#36, Well do you see the Republicans as the sort to win a fight? Or to strap on an unlicensed accelerator? They are pansies, the sad part is both sides are and it is pathetic that everyone has been getting their butts kicked by these losers.
That is most of the Trump magic, he realized how weak they really are and does not fear them.
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there's simply no way anyone could make this stuff up. Fictions writers wouldn't dare.
The only problem with flying the US flag is it offends the new owners. As a previous poster put it, white stars and stripes on a white background. For convenience it can't flown upside down.
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there's simply no way anyone could make this stuff up. Fictions writers wouldn't dare.
The only problem with flying the US flag is it offends the new owners. As a previous poster put it, white stars and stripes on a white background. For convenience it can't flown upside down.
"Nikki Haley", you ain't fooling anyone.
Trump should grab Franklin Graham for VP. Make America Great Again/Make America Good Again. A shepherd to follow after the Prophet.
I'm holding out for the very best...Pournelle/Napoleon 12pdr. The latter having been cast in Pasadena, CA. Get two serious strategic thinkers.
And I'll cheerfully accept the top of the ticket if Dr. Pournelle declines.
FWIW, I like Cruz over Trump...slightly. Both are in the range of acceptable candidates.
And one thing is certain...Paul Ryan must NOT be Speaker in 2017.
GOP SOTU: Press 1 for English; Press 2 for Spanish; Press 3 for Arabic; Press 4 for ...........
@1 RobertT
Try Farooq and San Bernandino
Israel has a wall.
Did she mention that anywhere in her little speech?
10. SouthRon January 13, 2016 5:02 PM
After duly attacking Trump and duplicitously coddling our Ultra-Southern friends, I'd say she's all set and ready to go as the GOP's Hillary in 2020.
as with AmyStu and Cluster B personalities, one point of commonality in all of this is the refusal to even consider reciprocity.
that is, AmyStu demands that *we* waste time researching facts, learning history and constructing syllogisms ... while at the same time, bald assertion is just hunky-dory for him and how DARE we complain about it?
so, this points up a slam dunk rhetorical point for Trump:
the GOPe demanded that Trump take a 'loyalty oath' to support whomever might be selected to campaign for the Republican nomination.
i say, after Trump wins his first state, that he demand that the Repuke establishment take a loyalty oath TO HIM, should he gain a pluralty of support.
naming Nimrata Haley and other cuckservatives of the Repuke establishment personally, calling all of these little shits out on their hypocrisy.
reciprocity, you see.
THEY demanded it of him, therefore HE has a 'right' to demand the like in return.
The need for housing, mortgages, major appliances and student loans are what has kept the economy going. Thus the plan for more immigrants. Wall Street must be fed.
@19-
Dear god, please don't be talking about that Tool Jim Webb. He took off his honor when he took off his uniform.
VD @34: "He'll win the nomination if he says he would never pick Nimrata Haley due to her disrespect for Southern American tradition."
Not likely, considering that he agreed that the Confederate flag should be taken down:
""I think they should put it in the museum and let it go," Trump said of the flag during an appearance at his new golf course in the Washington, D.C. suburbs. "Respect whatever it is you have to respect, because it was a point in time, and put it in a museum. But I would take it down. Yes."
The MSM instructs you...
That limiting Mohammadian immigration is racist.
That the USG bombing, starving and killing millions of Mohammadians is a necessary part of the "War on Terror"
It's all a con job. The elites are waging a War on Humanity.
The funny thing is that India's golden age ended when the caste system broke down, and now she wants to export that failure here.
White makes the same mistake, over and over.
@63
%20 of dems would vote for Trump in a Hillary vs Trump race.
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/democrats-vote-for-trump/2016/01/09/id/708859/
" 2-once the general campaign starts it will be made clear his understanding of how the govt, word and politics works is dangerously limited."
Right. Even assuming that were true, as if Hillary doesn't have a closet full of miscellaneous dead people, burning Mideastern countries, lesbian lovers, and her husband's sexual assault victims to even up any inherent deficiencies he might have. No one likes Hillary. As polarizing as Trump is, he is likable.
@61. Godfrey
The MSM instructs you...
That limiting Mohammadian immigration is racist.
That the USG bombing, starving and killing millions of Mohammadians is a necessary part of the "War on Terror"
Yes, it's bizarre that the same people who must be seen as protected victims when they are immigrants to western countries become sub-human vermin who must be exterminated when they're living in their own countries. It's rabid anti-racism in domestic policy combined with virulent racism in foreign policy. The West is sick.
> But I would take it down. Yes."
Well, yeah. He's a Yankee. But he probably also knows that it's none of his damn business what flag South Carolina flies.
> "Invader American" is the new euphemism for "your blood isn't as good as mine"?
No, but ArmyStu is the new euphemism for "I'm an idiot".
> 1-of all candidates he polls worst with moderates and independents. 2-once the general campaign starts it will be made clear his understanding of how the govt, word and politics works is dangerously limited.
What was rule number 1 again? Oh, I know....
People keep saying that Trump is clueless about politics and global affairs, while Trump keeps completely humiliating them in their field of expertise.
The system works.
As for Nikki Haley: thanks a lot, Governor. Your position is far, far more vulnerable than Trump's in your state, whatever your consultants are telling you. Of course, when white politicians betray their government, no one says that all whites are like that. The difference is, when Indian immigrants fall in with your example, their loyalty is rendered suspect- because it is suspect!
Of course, it's going to suck to be someone who internalized Western culture at the expense of their roots for decades, just because that was the right thing to do, but c'est la vie.
I plan to stop referring to her as "Nikki" Haley. As Vox noted, her name is Nimrata Randhawa. The whole "Nikki" thing is just marketing/branding to make her seem more like "one of us." Question to South Carolinians: did she appear on the gubernatorial ballot as "Nikki" or with her legal name?
Trump's great value is that he is forcing the cucks to publicly show their true colors.
I didn't see the SOTUS or the response. I had no desire to see the sanctimonious blowhard or the stern response that agreed with the blowhard in every major way.
I've said it before. Our elites are more like each other than either party. They hate us. They want to replace us.
One note, why wouldn't a woman who comes from a rigidly stratified society be comfortable with a Brahminized America.
@68 One note, why wouldn't a woman who comes from a rigidly stratified society be comfortable with a Brahminized America.
She isn't Caucasian. Perhaps Nimrata feels she would be left out.
You must understand: there is only one thing the Republican establishment are interested in: keeping the taxpayer-funded Washington gravy train rolling. That is why they prefer Hillary to Trump. They know that Hillary will play ball. They can't be sure about Trump.
All American's are descendants of immigrants
"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore."
Emma Lazarus's sonnet "The New Colossus" at the Statue of Liberty
Emma Lazarus's sonnet "The New Colossus" at the Statue of Liberty"
Which wasn't put in the Statue of Liberty until 1905 - 30 years after the Statue went up.
@70,
Some Americans are the descendants of colonists and conquerors, not immigrants.
I've been watching the daily Trump rallies lately and he's quite a phenomenon. A few observations:
1) Trump has a high IQ.
2) Normal women will vote for an alpha male before voting for another woman.
3) Trump brings an attitude that has become completely foreign to American politics: the idea of winning. People are so conditioned to accept speeches about how awful we are and we deserve to be the world's bitch, etc., that every ounce of motivating masculinity has been sapped from the listener. Trump is the opposite; he wants to be a winner at everything and people are motivated by that.
4) A significant portion (maybe not a majority, but so what) of the people out there are fed up, pissed off, frustrated, out of patience and just plain angry about the state of the nation. Unless things change this is only going to get worse.
70. G-S: Emma Lazarus was a well-connected graffiti vandal, and her defacement of the statue that France gave to the U.S. has no legal weight. What's your point? Are you arguing for unlimited immigration?
@67 Kudos The Lexecutioner
The whole "Nikki" thing is just marketing/branding to make her seem more like "one of us."
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If you're not a member of Motley Crue then Nikki is usually a stripper stage name.
@70 G-S.
All American's are descendants of immigrants
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BS
@73 johnc
I've been watching the daily Trump rallies lately and he's quite a phenomenon. A few observations:
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I have been too. I watched one in Pensacola a while ago, and the crowd is very enthusiastic. I never see that in the others. I would imagine going to one of those rallies would be a very energizing experience.
Strangely enough, Emma Lazarus's sonnet is not written law. It was never passed by Congress nor signed by the president.
We are free to ignore far prettier words.
Were both of George Washongton's parents US citizens at the time of his birth? John Adams? TJ?
If that story gains traction with stupid people and harms our enemies, I'm all in favor of spreading it -- but it's very, very hard to take seriously. Don't get high off your own supply, it lowers your IQ.
"Washongton"?! -- so much for MY IQ. Whoops...
Were both of George Washongton's parents US citizens at the time of his birth? John Adams? TJ?
There's an explicit exception in the Constitution for that:
No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President;
Is Nimrata related to that ur-globalist, Nimrod? . . . with rat-sauce, as Nimrata allies with Republicana rodentia.
Women as political leaders guarantee national decline and defeat. Equalism is poison.
Speaking of liars, old Nimrod, he was an energetic scumbag and thief, you know. Quite the sadist. I'm not surprised to hear that his spirit continues through the gens.
TRUMP/CRUZ 2016...
How about Cruz for Supreme Court justice instead?
Yes, I know we don't actually vote on that. But just think if Trump, as opposed to picking Cruz as his VP, said he'd make Cruz a Supreme court justice at the first opportunity.
Not only would this side-step the whole eligibility issue, we'd have Cruz for life.
@2 "Any "conservative" party advancing the likes of Rubio, Bush, Ryan, Nimrata Haley and "Grinnin' Mitch" is clearly, clearly, clearly not going to conserve jack shit."
Perhaps they meant 'conservative' in the sense of 'preservative' -- as in preserving the status quo.
TRUMP/BUCHANAN!
@46 "See 8 USC section 1401(d)."
Interesting -- Why would you cite an act of congress as proof of natural born citizen status when the only valid authority Congress has regarding citizenship is that of naturalization? Can any act of naturalization make one a natural born citizen?
Common sense would dictate that cannot be the case, as to admit such a case would allow Congress to amend the constitution via some other method than that outlined for the amendment process. The case of Marbury v. Madison says as much:
That the people have an original right to establish for their future government such principles as, in their opinion, shall most conduce to their own happiness is the basis on which the whole American fabric has been erected. The exercise of this original right is a very great exertion; nor can it nor ought it to be frequently repeated. The principles, therefore, so established are deemed fundamental. And as the authority from which they proceed, is supreme, and can seldom act, they are designed to be permanent.
This original and supreme will organizes the government and assigns to different departments their respective powers. It may either stop here or establish certain limits not to be transcended by those departments.
The Government of the United States is of the latter description. The powers of the Legislature are defined and limited; and that those limits may not be mistaken or forgotten, the Constitution is written. To what purpose are powers limited, and to what purpose is that limitation committed to writing, if these limits may at any time be passed by those intended to be restrained? The distinction between a government with limited and unlimited powers is abolished if those limits do not confine the persons on whom they are imposed, and if acts prohibited and acts allowed are of equal obligation. It is a proposition too plain to be contested that the Constitution controls any legislative act repugnant to it, or that the Legislature may alter the Constitution by an ordinary act.
I am SO tired of hearing that, because some of my ancestors were immigrants, I am duty-bound to support mass immigration.
No. Just no. That wasn't the deal or there wouldn't have been a deal to begin with. These idiots are poisoning the well under the guise of compassion. Allowing some immigration does not obligate allowing any and all subsequent immigrants.
Oh, and fark Emma Lazarus. I'd gladly contribute to a fund to sandblast her maudlin musings off of the Statue of Liberty's base.
@34
According to Vice President Alexander Stephens, "Our new Government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and normal condition."
The confederate flag is, obviously, represents the CSA. And according to Alexander Stephens, the CSA represents the ideal of the innate inferiority of the black man to the white man.
So therefore, by transitivity, the confederate flag represents the ideal of the innate inferiority of the black man to the white man. Everyone who flies that flag sends that message unambiguously just as anyone who flies the Nazi flag sends the message that the Jews should be exterminated.
@89,
All of which equates to "You're evil because I said so"
You don't get to assign meaning to my actions. Reality is not Modernist.
89. Epimandes: In the aggregate, the Black IS innately inferior to the White. Therefore, by transitivity, what's the problem?
And BTW, citing one man, Alexander Stephens, does not prove anything. Not even if Discard himself agrees with him.
@79. Wilbur Hassenfus
Were both of George Washongton's parents
George Washongton's parents owned a laundry in Richmond.
89. Epimandes January 13, 2016 11:50 PM
by transitivity
oooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhh, aaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh, such big words you use!
however, i must point out that i'm less impressed by your multi-syllabic vocabulary than i am offended by your assumption that a term of art here or there is supposed to make me whimper and cower and ...
not notice your Appeal to Authority fallacy.
thus, why the fuck am i expected to just assume that AH Stephens, who spent most of the Civil War calling his Confederate President a buffoon and campaigning against the things that Davis was trying to do, why is *he* end-all-be-all arbiter of the founding of the United States?
further,
IF i accept Stephens' characterization of the founding
THEN i also necessarily accept that the Union destroyed the basis upon which the nation was founded and
THEREFORE the Federal government of these United States has been feckless and illegitimate since 1861.
suck it, bitch.
@40 SteelPalm
"Trump voted for Obama in 2008, is friends with Al Sharpton, close personal friends with both Clintons (both of whom attended his most recent wedding), and was persuaded to run in the Republican primaries by Bill himself."
Why come here just to post blatant lies about Trump, SteelPalm?
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/18/trump-endorses-mccain/
http://www.westernjournalism.com/watch-trump-just-said-sharpton-will-cause-race-hustler-heads-explode/
Trump called Sharpton a “professional con man” who has “gotten away with murder.”
@94: Why come here just to post blatant lies about Trump, SteelPalm?
SteelPalm was one of the first people here to unlock the ‘Banned By GoodReads’ achievement. If what he says isn't true, it's because he's been misinformed or lied to, and he honestly believed it.
@95
Fair enough. Good to see he helps the cause in other areas. On Cruz, to add to Vox's post that he is literally in bed with Goldman Sachs.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/14/us/politics/ted-cruz-wall-street-loan-senate-bid-2012.html?_r=0
"Ted and Heidi Cruz obtained the low-interest loan from Goldman Sachs, as well as another one from Citibank. The loans totaled as much as $750,000 and eventually increased to a maximum of $1 million before being paid down later that year. There is no explanation of their purpose."
http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/265614-rand-paul-rip-cruz-for-missing-audit-the-fed-vote
"Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) ripped Sen. Ted Cruz on Tuesday after the Texas Republican skipped a vote on his "Audit the Fed" proposal. According to GovTrack, Cruz has missed 24 percent of Senate roll call votes over the past year, second only to Rubio."
@94
Interesting. I was under the impression that Trump voted for Obama in 2008 considering the congratulatory Tweet he sent him back in 2012;
https://malaach.wordpress.com/2015/09/19/breaking-trump-deleted-tweet-revealing-he-voted-for-his-friend-barack-obama/
As for Sharpton, Trump might say one thing, but he had a working relationship with the two-bit hustler and donated thousands of dollars to him;
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/trump-donated-thousands-had-close-working-relationship-with-al-sharpton/
Anyways, let's assume you're right and I'm wrong about who Trump voted for in 2008.
Regardless, doesn't Trump's decades of crony relationships and funding of the leading, ruling leftists and SJWs, Clintons and Al Sharpton included, well into his 60s, concern you? All before a sudden, abrupt move towards nationalism in the last year or so?
I can appreciate Vox's answer; he recognizes the chance of betrayal, but sees it as preferable to the alternative. Fine.
However, not anticipating the possibility of betrayal, is at best naive.
As for Cruz's cronyism with Goldman Sachs...so what? You realize there are a hundred similar, quasi-legal relationships that Trump has accrued in 4 decades of business?
I'm very curious about what Vox dislikes in Cruz (he has been relatively silent about him thus far) and hope he makes a post on the matter, but I doubt that's why.
As for the Rand Paul quote? He's good on the economy, but an idiot on immigration and foreign policy, which is his complete undoing this election cycle.
And yes, I infinitely prefer Trump to Paul or any other non-Cruz Republican.
Don't get all aflutter over Jim Webb. He's pro abortion and pro immigration. He still believes in the melting pot. It may be related to his yellow fever.
Yeah, reading over the comments, the Jim Webb love is bizarre. A guy who is at best a Blue Dog Democrat, with the typical views of a liberal during the 1996 election cycle.
While that's vastly saner than the average leftist twenty years later, which is why Webb stuck out like a sore thumb during the Democratic debates, it's also no better than the worst of the establishment GOP cuckservatives.
So if you think Boehner, McConnell, McCain, and Ryan are excellent, reasonable guys and Clinton did a fine job on all fronts in the 90s, I can understand the support for Webb.
But somehow, I doubt that describes most people here.
Yes, she was Nikki on the ballot. Born in SC and graduated from Clemson.
@SteelPalm
I'm very curious about what Vox dislikes in Cruz (he has been relatively silent about him thus far) and hope he makes a post on the matter, but I doubt that's why.
It might not be so much as a "dislikes", as rather "who focuses on what's important?"
From the very beginning of this election cycle, Vox called out for immigration being the #1 issue that MUST be dealt with. And who's the guy who was the first to came out swinging for immigration and singlehandedly shifted the debate towards immigration...?
It's definitely more authentic that said candidate will take it as more important than another "me too!" candidate.
I, too, am the descendent of immigrants (third generation). There is a yooge difference between immigration then and now. My ancestors relied on family, friends and community. They did not rely on the taxpayers, which most third world immigrants do today.
97. SteelPalm January 14, 2016 6:14 AM
Regardless, doesn't Trump's decades of crony relationships and funding of the leading, ruling leftists and SJWs, Clintons and Al Sharpton included, well into his 60s, concern you?
i was the one who, immediately after Trump announced, noted that his rhetoric boils down to "yar, ya wanna be great, yar, i'm great, yar, America should be great, yar, if you want to be great then you should vote more me and you can be great too."
the answer to this complaint? Obama's "We are the change we are looking for" was just as intellectually stupid and it got him the presidency. Trump is using what works, there's no point in complaining about it.
i also pointed out the possibility of Trump being a Hillary stalking horse.
the answer to the conspiracy theory angle?
this has gotten too far. if Trump was in a dead heat for the lead to ... 4th place or so, you could make the assertion that he was just trying to split the Republican vote.
Trump shows commanding leads almost everywhere. AND he's not stupid.
IF you assume that Trump *was* a Hillary ( or Jeb ) stalking horse
THEN you're hard up against the question:
Why shouldn't Trump just sit on the throne himself?
selling access like Bill and Hillary ( turned themselves into billionaires on the backs of their 'foundation ) did is not actually rocket surgery. why should Trump campaign to put Hillary ( or Jeb ) on the throne so that he can pay bribes to her when he could sit on the throne himself and collect all the bribes?
worst case, Trump will turn out to be an intelligent version of Hillary and will retire from the presidency a Trillionaire.
97. SteelPalm January 14, 2016 6:14 AM
However, not anticipating the possibility of betrayal, is at best naive.
considering the way Paul Ryan fucked serious conservatives over on the budget, i'm not sure how much LESS the Repuke establishment could be on our side.
at this point it's not a question of whether Trump might stick a knife in our backs, it's a question of if there are any Republican leaders AT ALL who would even hesitate to screw us over and not even give us a kiss.
if you remember, it was Jeb who was bragging that he would win the nomination without the base ....
Bait and switch.
Laud past, much smaller immigration from Europe (most of whom were offspring of Western Civilization) to promote invader-Americans by the tens of millions from lands with culturally alien DNA.
This is like saying, "You let in your neighbors, you're duty-bound to let in the VAMPIRES, too."
Or maybe young people would understand, "You let in Rick Grimes and his band, so you must let in the Zombie Horde that's hot on their heels."
I'm with Vox; the SOTU "rebuttal" was the GOP hoisting on its own petard in Prime Time.
We often forget just how money-grubbing are politicians.
One plausible explanation for Merkel's actions is that she's simply been bribed.
Are we so sure that US politicians, up to and including the president of the United States, are immune to a George Soros giving them a few tens or even a hundred million dollars to stab the nation in the back?
One thing Trump brings: I doubt he's subject to bribery. Hill-Billy are perhaps the most openly bribe-able politicians in US history.
AND he's not stupid.
You can't make billions from a business and be stupid. You'd lose your shirt waaay way before then.
@95 LurkingPuppy
@94: Why come here just to post blatant lies about Trump, SteelPalm?
SteelPalm was one of the first people here to unlock the ‘Banned By GoodReads’ achievement. If what he says isn't true, it's because he's been misinformed or lied to, and he honestly believed it.
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That's what I was thinking.
But nobody will agree on everything.
It's possible he just despise Trump and gets carried away with these hyperbolic criticisms.
He wouldn't be the first one here to do that :P
@97 SteelPalm
Regardless, doesn't Trump's decades of crony relationships and funding of the leading, ruling leftists and SJWs, Clintons and Al Sharpton included, well into his 60s, concern you? All before a sudden, abrupt move towards nationalism in the last year or so?
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I'm just going to paraphrase what Trump said at a rally I watched over the last week.
He said he had given money to every one he is running againt, even Hitlery. Then he said, "Do you know why? Because when I call them, they have to kiss my ass."
I remember that part in quotes as I was ROFLMAO when he said it.
So I gather he threw money around to get things done in all these places he does business.
Just saying I don't think it means he actually supports all these people.
But hey it's primary season, we should expect everybody to have the kitchen sink thrown at them at all times :P
In the comment above, he was saying in the past he had given, not currently.
Trump is in the business of politics. No one else is. He's probably given money to ISIS, just so he can say - "But it's chicken feed compared to what Hillary's poured into the bastards. At least they take my calls."
I'd be less likely to trust Trump if he wasn't buying every politician he could.
@97 SteelPalm
"Anyways, let's assume you're right and I'm wrong about who Trump voted for in 2008."
Okay here is where you lose any credibility with me. I gave you the link which even has the video from CNN back in 2008 showing Trump stating his vote is for McCain.
So there is no "assumption" here. You've shown your bias against Trump with this statement (and the many things you have previously made up about Trump) as far as I am concerned.
@97 SteelPalm
"As for Cruz's cronyism with Goldman Sachs...so what? You realize there are a hundred similar, quasi-legal relationships that Trump has accrued in 4 decades of business?
As for the Rand Paul quote? He's good on the economy"
What do you not understand about the link given which shows Cruz not voting on Rand's "Audit the Fed" bill being all about the economy and balancing the budget?
And there is a BIG BIG difference in a career politician such as Cruz being in bed with Goldman Sachs (ala Obama). When comparing Trump as a businessman who was willing to do business with others to ensure his financial success.
Trump was working for himself, not the country. Cruz is working on our dime. And not doing a very good job of it according the audit the fed link provided which shows that he can't even show up to vote 24% of the time.
@97 SteelPalm
And one last correction that needs to be addressed. Just because one send a congratulatory note doesn't mean they voted for him. Trump endorsed and voted Romney in 2012, not Obama.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/02/02/politics/campaign-wrap/
"It's my honor, real honor, to endorse Mitt Romney," Trump said, with Romney and his wife standing nearby. Calling Romney "tough" and "smart," Trump said, "he's not going to continue to allow bad things to happen to this country."
@110 No
I'd be less likely to trust Trump if he wasn't buying every politician he could.
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And he doesn't try to hide that fact. He brings it up himself. So he knows the behind the scene games and shenanigans most of us suspect, but never know for certain.
Is Rand Paul really going down this tired lonesome road?
one of the faults of the party, we’re not diverse enough.
Haha, I don't "hate" Trump at all. I think he's brilliant, the most gregarious personality and best speaker we have seen run for national election in a very long time, and someone I would gladly vote for if he got the nomination. After all, he is vastly preferable to Carson, Fiorina, Paul, or any establishment dreck (Rubio et al).
The country is in bad shape, so playing Russian roulette with Trump is one of the better options.
But there is a lot of reason to fear being backstabbed. Again, if someone doesn't acknowledge this, especially after countless betrayals by the likes of McCain, Boehner, Ryan, etc. and many others who had great speeches about fighting tooth and nail, then they're a hopelessly optimistic, pie-in-the-sky fool.
@111
I said you were probably right about who Trump voted for in 2008, I was wrong, and then withdrew that consideration from my analysis. You keep banging on about that minor point while ignoring the larger one.
@116 SteelPalm
I consider your conspiracy theory highly unlikely that Trump is in this to do a complete about face. What would be his motivation to do this?
All of your previous examples of this are career politicians. Just like Cruz. Cruz whose wife is a high ranking executive with Goldman Sachs. The same Cruz who didn't show up to vote to audit the fed, along with 24% of his voting opportunities in the senate. I'd say given this, Cruz is definitely more likely to do a burn and turn. As there are already indicators in place here.
Trump's businesses are largely supported by his name and popularity. Doing a complete about face would be suicide to his business ventures. It could ultimately bankrupt him in the end.
The way I see it is Trump is in this to turn the country around and enhance his families legacy in the process. Trump is in the business of being well liked by Americans. He won't do an about face to tarnish this. It would be far too costly on all fronts. For himself, his businesses and his families legacy.
Heh, they've been doing this in Canada for years. One version in English, and a "localized" version (as in replace provincial with national) for the Quebec audience.
And it is a Quebec audience; there is better French coverage here from RFO from St. Pierre and Miquelon. Fidelitas in arduis.
117. sigbouncer: Trump may be in this to stab us all in the back, or he may be in it to get his picture on the five dollar bill, as America's Greatest Liberator. We can be certain that all other candidates intend to drown us in mud, but Trump might actually go for his place in history. Yeah, he's got an ego, but does anyone imagine that Washington did not?
https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Rapefugee
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101. Student in Blue:
"From the very beginning of this election cycle, Vox called out for immigration being the #1 issue that MUST be dealt with."
Vox is fascinating as an example of a human dopaminergic neuron, astute to the unexpected, calling attention, qua attention, to what will call attention. This discovery (the dopaminergic neuron, a tiny percentage of all neurons), shocked (called attention to) the AI community because it fulminated (called attention to) awe based upon the long-predicted augurings of the neural net artificers to such a biological analog. Finally, it made sense. The attentional mechanism calls the mind as a whole to ponder this incident at hand, thus building up of a memory that represents the mind-model of the episodic situation at hand.
Sorry, that was a lot of word-play (my weakness). In short, he is a rhetorical creature who keeps his finger on the pulse and knows when to yell "Commotio cordis!"
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