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Saturday, January 02, 2016

PNH's assault parakeet

Scott Lynch, whose lips have been firmly attached to Patrick Nielsen Hayden's posterior for over a decade now, is speaking out for the Macmillan-silenced Tor Books senior editor in falsely accusing John C. Wright.
This was especially frustrating in the wake of the 2015 World Science Fiction Convention, after which the ponderously self-important blowhard John C. Wright publicly accused veteran editor and lifelong fan Patrick Nielsen Hayden of both assaulting Wright’s wife and masterminding the long-term “corruption” of the Hugo Awards, to which the SF/F field largely replied: “Meh.” Now, some of that is certainly due to Wright’s tireless self-marginalization and frothing bigotry, but regardless, I think Patrick deserved better of his friends and colleagues. He deserved to have someone stand up and state plainly what he could not– that John C. Wright talks a big game about truth and courage, but that he is demonstrably full of shit. 
The only individual here who is completely full of shit is the habitually vulgar Scott Lynch. Wright was telling the truth about Patrick Nielsen Hayden's unprofessional and inappropriate verbal attack on Mr. Wright's wife, and he is also telling the truth about PNH's involvement in corrupting the Hugo Awards. No one stood up and defended PNH because they knew that Wright was telling the truth: PNH is a hot-tempered, unprofessional, and literally uneducated awards whore.

I know it too. I have had direct, personal conversations with a senior executive at an SF publishing house who confirmed that Patrick Nielsen Hayden is a shameless award-chaser who was finally persuaded to finally step back and recuse himself one year so that a perennial second-placer could have a chance to win an award, before promptly putting himself forward again in order to chase more awards.

I don't know if PNH's awards-whoring is due to his shame at being one of the very few without a high school degree in a highly literate field; perhaps he thinks collecting awards will somehow compensate for his inferiority complex or perhaps he simply requires external approval for his efforts. Whatever the reason, the simple fact is that PNH and the little coterie of authors around him have connived, pimped, and collaborated to manipulate the Hugo Awards process on their own behalf for well over a decade. This isn't up for debate. It's the recent history of the Hugo Awards.

In fact, the ONLY reason that two different Best Editor awards exist in the first place is because PNH was whining and crying to anyone who would listen about the fact that he kept losing out to short form editors like Gardner Dozois. And no sooner did the Puppies knock him out of contention in 2015 than his site became the center of efforts to change the rules so that PNH would be able to reliably nominate himself for Best Editor (Long Form) again.
Wright makes these points clear over and over again on his own time, and the fact that he’s a bigoted goofball is hardly a state secret. What is important is that nothing he’s tried to push about the Hugo Awards or about Patrick Nielsen Hayden has any scintilla of truth to it, and anyone who tries to tell you differently in the coming months is either a liar or a water carrier for a depressingly stupid conspiracy theory spun by liars.
It's amusing to see Lynch talk about what isn't a state secret, considering what he obviously doesn't know about PNH. Scott Lynch clearly doesn't know a damn thing about any of this. He wasn't there at the time that Patrick Nielsen Hayden verbally attacked Mrs. Wright and he isn't sufficiently well connected in publishing circles to know the truth about what an insecure little awards whore PNH is.
In a post to his own weblog, Scalzi expresses regret that I personally didn’t make the “Best Professional Editor” ballot, despite the fact that I acquired three out of the five Best Novel nominees and personally shepherded two of them to publication. This is generous of John, and I wouldn’t have declined the nomination, but in fact as every book editor in our field knows, while the Best Professional Hugo is regularly awarded to high-profile magazine editors and anthologists, it only goes to book editors if we die. It’s for this reason that there’s a pending proposal to split the editorial award into “long form” and “short form” categories; whether this will be ratified by this year’s Worldcon Business Meeting is anyone’s guess.
How generous of John indeed! Fortunately, PNH was able to repay that generosity at Macmillan's expense. Notice that PNH doesn't see fit to mention mention that he was the co-sponsor of the new award.
I sought out Patrick Nielsen Hayden’s support for the Editor’s split and brought him into the fold; I needed a prominent editor to co-sponsor the amendment or it would never have been taken seriously by the Business Meeting.
- Chris Barkley
Both Mr. and Mrs. Wright were published by Tor Books, and they know the same thing I do as a result of my conversations with the publishing executive. PNH was colluding and conspiring and campaigning for awards long before the Sad Puppies entered the picture, and long-time industry professionals know it.

In any event, the fact that Macmillan still hasn't responded to the complaints about PNH's Code of Conduct violation means that it is time to start requesting responses from them again. And if they don't respond to his unprovoked and unprofessional attack on a woman of Jewish descent, then the matter will be brought to the employment authorities.

McRapey's take: "What it looks like when one writer calls another writer onto the carpet, and then sets the carpet on fire.... Seriously, I think I'm just gonna spend my day eating ice cream and figuring out what part of science fiction I'm totes ruining next."

Well, we already knew he's not going to spend it writing....

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69 Comments:

Anonymous Hmm January 02, 2016 3:03 PM  

So brave. Lynch doesn't allow comments of his post.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit January 02, 2016 3:11 PM  

Isn't Mr Lynch, like many of his progressive brethren, publically known to be prone to bouts of mental illness? Perhaps the clinically confirmed depression that stops him writing is affecting his mental processes in other ways. That could explain these delusional rantings. Or it might be common-or-garden syphilis.

Blogger Steve, the Dark Ninja of Mockery January 02, 2016 3:16 PM  

Here's Scott and his sexy girlfriend.

Try to guess which is which.

Blogger Joe Keenan January 02, 2016 3:18 PM  

An Fhírinne in aghaidh an tSaoil - Irish - Truth Against the World.

Anonymous Patrick Nielsen Hayden January 02, 2016 3:27 PM  

I'll have you know I deserve to have every award I've won, and every one I didn't. They are all mine, my own, my preciousss...

Blogger Were-Puppy January 02, 2016 3:29 PM  

Not Scott Lynch too...

I really like the Locke Lamora stories.

Anonymous Scott Lynch January 02, 2016 3:40 PM  

Besides my anxiety attacks and other psychosexual issues, one of the most irritating things I have to deal with is attacks by right wing bigot poopylords. Really, right wingers should all be banned. Not just from my blog comments, but BANNED... if you know what I mean.

Besides, Patrick's trouser cheeks taste like asparagus, and I like asparagus.

Oh and THIS is highly problematic:

@3

Here's Scott and his sexy girlfriend.
Try to guess which is which.


How dare you insult xer! Xe is a beautiful... uh... standing there on the the lef... er, ri..., erm... Wait, which one am I again?

Blogger Dave January 02, 2016 3:47 PM  

Ah Stevil, you WILL be the darkest ninja of mockery in 2016.

Blogger Dave January 02, 2016 3:51 PM  

Scott you obviously are the one in black with glasses and long hair.

Anonymous Rolf January 02, 2016 4:02 PM  

We need a better term than "attack dog" when we are Puppies (tm).

Harassment Himalayans, perhaps, since they are mostly cat people?
Oppressive Opossums?
Pestering Pangolins?
Annoying Aardvarks?

Blogger Were-Puppy January 02, 2016 4:08 PM  

@10 Rolf

We need a better term than "attack dog" when we are Puppies (tm).

Harassment Himalayans, perhaps, since they are mostly cat people?
Oppressive Opossums?
Pestering Pangolins?
Annoying Aardvarks?
---

Rebellious Racoons
Shenanigan SeaMonkeys

Blogger Dave January 02, 2016 4:15 PM  

Annoying Aardvarks...very good Rolf. How could anybody be triggered by an Annoying Aardvark?

Blogger James Dixon January 02, 2016 4:19 PM  

> We need a better term than "attack dog" when we are Puppies (tm).

Carnivorous canines. Yeah, it's redundant, but it should have the desired effect.

Anonymous KoranBurningFaggot January 02, 2016 4:20 PM  

I thought people planned on wearing recording devices in case something like this happened.

Here's Scott and his sexy girlfriend.Try to guess which is which.

Here I was thinking fashion whores usually try to date someone the same size as them so they get double the wardrobe.

OT: Fred Reed says a .22 is fine for home defense, but fails to mention how much 12yo girls cost.
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2016/01/fred-reed/thinking-moving-mexico/

Blogger VD January 02, 2016 4:20 PM  

We need a better term than "attack dog" when we are Puppies (tm).

Good point. He's more of an assault parakeet anyhow.

Blogger SouthRon January 02, 2016 4:20 PM  

@10 and @11 This isn't Ubuntu.

In Lynch's own words:

Watercarrying Toady

Oh, wait we already have The Toad of Tor.

Okay so back to the Ubuntuesque:

Watercarrying Weasel

Blogger VD January 02, 2016 4:21 PM  

I thought people planned on wearing recording devices in case something like this happened.

Not everyone listens to me.

Blogger SouthRon January 02, 2016 4:22 PM  

Or in honor of Lynch's books: Butt Kissing Bastard.

Blogger dc.sunsets January 02, 2016 4:26 PM  

Oh, now I get why Scott is lobbying to recognize weddings between identical twins.

Blogger praetorian January 02, 2016 4:42 PM  

His face is answer enough to his own arguments.

Anonymous Wyrd January 02, 2016 4:49 PM  

Here's Scott and his sexy girlfriend.

Try to guess which is which.


You are more evil than Sir Simon Milligan and Hecubus put together.

Blogger Pseudotsuga January 02, 2016 4:50 PM  

I enjoyed reading the anti-adventures of the Gentlemen Bastards. Lynch tells a good heist/pirate yarn (even with some SJW-style feminism thrown in).
I see, however, that Lynch is using his fiction as a How-To-- the LIES of Locke Lamora.
So Lynch's entire premise is based on the following: "I know somebody who was there and HE said it wasn't that way! I TOTES trust this person becuz he is a member of the Good People, an' those Good People never never LIE!"
It is telling that there is only virtue signaling going on here-- Lynch (and Martin, Kirby, etc.) are not actually interested in the truth, so no reconciliation is possible with these folks.
They always argue as if they were interested in compromise, yet the hand held out is a distraction from the poisoned dagger hidden in the hand behind their backs.

Blogger Daniel January 02, 2016 4:55 PM  

Funny thing is the people least likely to judge PNH for his lack of high school education are the ones he attacks the most.

Did I write "Funny"? I meant "Predictable."

Blogger VD January 02, 2016 4:57 PM  

I enjoyed reading the anti-adventures of the Gentlemen Bastards.

I didn't. The first one was meh. The second one, I didn't even finish. The Gamma's idea of what makes for a dashing lady-killer... ye cats!

Blogger Unknown January 02, 2016 5:03 PM  

We need a better term than "attack dog" when we are Puppies (tm).

Waddling Walruses

Blogger Daniel January 02, 2016 5:04 PM  

PNH's about.me includes "Gatekeeper of culture. Urban cyclist. High School dropout."

That's kind of like saying you work in international security because you took a selfie of you shoplifting maple syrup packets at IHOP.

That gate, you did not keep. That cycle, you did not pedal.

Blogger Emmett Fitz-Hume January 02, 2016 5:07 PM  

I started reading Lynch a few years back, before I discovered Vox Popoli.

The Lies of Locke Lamora was decent (3 out of 5 stars). I enjoyed the Ocean's 11 feel to it and looked forward to book 2.

Book 2', Red Skies Over Red Seas (I think that is the name, anyway) was a huge disappointment. It started out OK but suffered from an identity crisis: Did it want to be a heist story or a pirate story? A skilled author could pull off both but Lynch wasn't that author. It was disjointed and ultimately, anti-climactic.

I didn't get 2 chapters into the third and latest book (delayed a few years due to Lynch's issues with clinical depression). The third book, what I read of it, anyway, was just a mess. Couldn't get up the ambition to finish it when there are so many other authors out there to read.

And somehow, given what I once read on his old website, his half-assed commentary on Mr. Wright doesn't surprise me.

Blogger Jeff Wood January 02, 2016 5:07 PM  

@3

I have just eaten, so for once will not click on Ninja Steve's link.

However, I will beat him to quote from David Thompson at his eponymous joint, where he refers to "the mentally dismal crab-bucket world of the “social justice warrior”".

Blogger bob k. mando January 02, 2016 5:09 PM  

11. Were-Puppy January 02, 2016 4:08 PM
Rebellious Racoons
Shenanigan SeaMonkeys



surely a "were" puppy can be anything he wishes to be.

a satyrical ( read carefully, that may not mean what you think it means ) sperm whale, for instance.



14. KoranBurningFaggot January 02, 2016 4:20 PM
I thought people planned on wearing recording devices in case something like this happened.



Vox and i both recommended this on multiple occasions. however, not everyone is interested in shelling out the extra zogbux necessary to set up a personal recording system and, i'm sure, the Wright's thought that their status as honest to god professionals ( they're both published authors ) would insulate them from the festivities.

i can't speak for Vox, but part of the reason that i was making the public recommendation was to preemptively subdue whatever public acting out by the SFWA fascists that there would be.

multiple SJWhoreriors troll through here looking for our dastardly, secret plans, you know.

and, indeed, it seems that this may have had a moderating effect on them. the only report we had of overt childishness was on the part of PNH himself.



VD
Both Mr. and Mrs. Wright were published by Tor Books



past tense?

is there some good news concerning the Wright's and their future publishing prospects that is yet to be forthcoming?

because i would REALLY like to get a MMP version of the rest of the 'Countdown to Eshaton' books.



3. Steve, the Dark Ninja of Mockery January 02, 2016 3:16 PM
Try to guess which is which.



i'm going to go with the formulation of Hermetic witchcraft and presume that the gap in the teeth above reflects the 'gap into madness' ( hello, Stephen Donaldson ) below.

Anonymous Ilk, It Does the Body Good January 02, 2016 6:04 PM  

F*ck em all. Their day is coming, and they know it.

of Hermetic witchcraft

Yes. At least.

The rats are underneath the piles! The Jew is underneath the lot! T S Eliot


Blogger Kallmunz January 02, 2016 6:05 PM  

A couple of notes:
1. Perhaps this could be used to get TOR to sign over Wrights books to Castalia, a long shot I know but who knows what PNH will stoop to.

2. The post he made before this one was August 5th where he apologizes that he couldn't put out a book that year due to "the severity of my ongoing anxiety attacks has simply made it impossible to turn the manuscript in." He should take a lesson from Scalzi and put a smiley face on that.

Anonymous kfg January 02, 2016 6:09 PM  

What a Bombastic Budgie.

Blogger Civis Silas January 02, 2016 6:09 PM  

"totes"

Other than John Scalzi, the only(ostensible) male I've ever heard use that word was a rather fabulous gay man. Draw whatever conclusions you will from that.

Blogger Dexter January 02, 2016 6:09 PM  

Here's Scott and his sexy girlfriend.

Try to guess which is which.


It's as if Doofenschmirtz hit Viktor Kurgan with his tranny-inator ray...

Anonymous This Will Be Telling January 02, 2016 6:20 PM  

@29 bob k. mando

@14 KoranBurningFaggot

I thought people planned on wearing recording devices in case something like this happened.


Vox and i both recommended this on multiple occasions. however, not everyone is interested in shelling out the extra zogbux necessary to set up a personal recording system and, i'm sure, the Wright's thought that their status as honest to god professionals ( they're both published authors ) would insulate them from the festivities.


Washington is an all party consent state, it would have been useful only to keep you from getting convicted for a worse crime. However Missouri, where this year's Worldcon will be held, is a one part consent state. And it doesn't take many zogbux, I can recommend this small device which goes for 20 of them. Put it in a shirt pocket and it does an adequate job.

Anonymous Reader January 02, 2016 6:21 PM  

I'm trying to be objective here. Lynch is a brilliant writer. He has a simple way of saying things, although, very clear, to the point and shows that he's a very well read person. And he argues his case very well.

The first thing that came to my mind about the PNH and Mrs Wright encounter, was the security camera, if there was one, that could have captured the moment. It happened near the reception area and normally in any facility there would be one.

I think Lynch made a very good point when he said:
However, anyone who isn’t a thrashing self-absorbed pee baby understands that the Hugos are a crap shoot born at the intersection of popular tastes and ever-shifting geographic adjustments to the pool of eligible voters.

Of course the Hugo is a popularity contest. Even if PNH indeed gamed the results, without the voters-fans, his effort would be irrelevant. It just goes to show that the Puppies just don't have the numbers.

What about reform the Hugo to be set up like the Man Booker prize. Like, nominated work for various categories are judged by people that "know something about literature" and judges are changed every year. A category for People's choice award can also be created, by which fans can vote.

So now the question is who will select the judges. Maybe something from the corporate world model like board of directors will select the judges,and a the board should be composed of people from any sides of the political spectrum.

Alright, maybe my idea is impractical, unconstitutional and even expensive. Maybe even cooky.

Blogger Thucydides January 02, 2016 6:25 PM  

@10

Don't be so modest: A wolf pack

OpenID denektenorsk January 02, 2016 6:27 PM  

"Well, we already knew he's not going to spend it writing....". LOL.

Anonymous Rolf January 02, 2016 6:30 PM  

@25 - Waddling Walruses is good, but they might be confused with a Manatee.
@32 - Bombastic Budgie has a certain ring to it.
Hectoring Hamsters?
The Hares of Halitosis?
Hassling Hyena?
Bothering Bovines?
Aggravating Albatross?

There must be the perfect phrase out there somewhere.

Anonymous Rolf January 02, 2016 6:37 PM  

@37 - Yes, a wolf-back is fine for US, but using "attack dogs" in reference to the "blustering budgies" of others (such as in the title of this post), it gives them the patina of respectability (not that we really care about what they think is respectable, but you know what I mean).

So we need a good name for the frothing echo-chamber spewers for, and followers of, the Torlings.

Anonymous Blue SFF Reader January 02, 2016 6:44 PM  

Ran afoul of a progressive retard named Scott Lynch on USENET Star Trek boards back in the late '80s/early '90s. Probably not the same guy based on Steve (tDN0M) and his post @3 (w/ picture), but he certainly sounds just as stupid.

Carthago delenda est.

Blogger John Wright January 02, 2016 7:09 PM  

Is the argument over the volume at which the insult was delivered to my wife's face, not the fact of it?

Am I to be reviled as a liar in uncouth scatological terms because I repeated the report given me that the insult was very loud; whereas Mr. Hayden, speaking on his own behalf, says that he shouted down the short female underling he was browbeating in a tone that was only slightly loud?

If I were his attorney, I would advise him to drop this particular line of defense.

Anonymous nathan January 02, 2016 7:09 PM  

How about "gelatinous cube" instead of assault parakeet?

Anyway, good to see that there will be multiple fronts this year. Time to start buying popcorn futures.

Lynch is best at writing child Locke, but is out of his depths writing teenage relationships, much less basic adult relationships, romantic or otherwise.

Blogger rcocean January 02, 2016 7:18 PM  

"Try to guess which is which."

Good God! That needs a warning label.

Blogger VD January 02, 2016 7:35 PM  

And he argues his case very well.

No, he simply lies.

I think Lynch made a very good point when he said

It is a very good point. In fact, it is Larry Correia's point. It is the point that the SJWs in science fiction repeatedly denied until Sad Puppies exposed their antics and proved that the "literary awards" are nothing but a popularity contest.

That's our point. Not theirs.

Blogger Ragin' Dave January 02, 2016 7:41 PM  

Mr. Wright - these are the people who called Brad Torgersen's wife a "shield" after they accused him of being a racist. Logic has never been their strong point. Quite the opposite.

Hell, recognizing reality has never been their strong point.

Anonymous kfg January 02, 2016 7:51 PM  

@41: "blustering budgies"

Yes, "blustering" is better. "Bombastic" has more of a sense of gravitas than they warrant.

Anonymous Evolyn January 02, 2016 8:26 PM  

The publishing company is called 'Tor'? Heh, that's German for 'fool' (as in the idiotic kind).

Blogger automatthew January 02, 2016 8:26 PM  

KGB Attack Macaw

OpenID Jack Amok January 02, 2016 9:12 PM  

Here's Scott and his sexy girlfriend.

Try to guess which is which.


That's easy. He's the one with weak, supplicating smile. She's the one who looks like she's sucking on a lemon.

Blogger Were-Puppy January 02, 2016 9:23 PM  

Naddering Gnats

Anonymous 334 January 02, 2016 10:00 PM  

Here's Scott and his sexy girlfriend.

Try to guess which is which.


Does it matter? Good news is, clothing is cheaper when you and your gal wear the same size ...

Blogger L. Jagi Lamplighter Wright January 02, 2016 10:48 PM  

@Bob

I am no longer a Tor author. This is not because of Sad Puppies or anything from the last year. It's just a business thing.

Anonymous ALL HAIL BRAK!!! January 02, 2016 10:56 PM  

@50 Jack Amok

That's easy. He's the one with weak, supplicating smile. She's the one who looks like she's sucking on a lemon.

Ah, but with SJW couples, isn't it always the woman (or approximate equivalent thereof) who wears the belligerent, assertive, masculine expression, and the 'man' who bears the submissive, tentative, feminine look.

Anonymous Malwyn's apprentice January 02, 2016 11:41 PM  

@27: " ... third and latest book (delayed a few years due to Lynch's issues with clinical depression)."

Hmm, trying to figure out why such deeply personal issues would be shared with the world at large. I really miss the days when people used discretion; whatever happened to "personal business" or "personal issues"?

OpenID Jack Amok January 02, 2016 11:41 PM  

Ah, but with SJW couples, isn't it always the woman (or approximate equivalent thereof) who wears the belligerent, assertive, masculine expression, and the 'man' who bears the submissive, tentative, feminine look.

Exactly.

Blogger SciVo January 03, 2016 1:52 AM  

Rolf @40 So we need a good name for the frothing echo-chamber spewers for, and followers of, the Torlings.

Attack rabbits.

Anonymous LurkingPuppy January 03, 2016 2:05 AM  

@57: Attack rabbits.

Bunniculae.

Blogger Feather Blade January 03, 2016 2:11 AM  

@44 Good God! That needs a warning label.

The name of Steve, the Dark Ninja of Mockery is the warning label.

That should be common knowledge by now.

Anonymous VDKK January 03, 2016 3:59 AM  

I'm not naïve and have seen all sorts of Dunning-Krueger afflicted, egotistical cretins crawl up or get kicked up the ranks of various industries, but I wonder how a such weasel as PNH made it in the publishing industry? I'm not disputing that it's impossible for such a creature to do so, I'm just interested in the particular case of PNH. Did he lock lips on the buttocks of the right people at the right time - because for certain successful buttkissers there is going to be someone who is receptive to having their butt kissed. Is he a favor-currier, does he have "the dirt" on the right people in the right positions? Who can say?

Blogger VD January 03, 2016 6:14 AM  

I wonder how a such weasel as PNH made it in the publishing industry?

He started out in fandom and he's been there for decades. If you look at what he edited, he hasn't actually been very successful. Despite being the largest, most-awarded SF/F publisher, Tor has missed out on all of the successful SF/F series since Robert Jordan.

Anonymous SumDood January 03, 2016 8:00 AM  

@36 "I'm trying to be objective here. Lynch is a brilliant writer."

No he is not. The stereotypical characters and paint-by-numbers plot made me give up when I was 100 pages into The Lies of Locke Lamora.

Blogger Were-Puppy January 03, 2016 9:57 AM  

@55 Malwyn's apprentice

Hmm, trying to figure out why such deeply personal issues would be shared with the world at large.
---

I wonder the same. Hopefully it was accidentally leaked, and he just had to roll with it.

I guess once you are in the grip of something like that, there isn't much you can do but ride it out and hope for the best?

Wouldn't SJWs that would claim something like this would be claiming it for some kind of advantage or benefit. Here it seems to be harming and not helping.

But what do I know, still working on first cup of coffee.

Blogger Were-Puppy January 03, 2016 10:04 AM  

Belligerent Barnacles - They are mean and won't let go

Naddering Gnats - silence is not an option and always buzzing around

militant moles - they blindly dig around looking for stuff to F*** up

YellJackets - The Hive mind and endless rampaging when you get near their nest. Known to sting twigs, mailboxes, cars, etc.

Corpulent Canaries - When you see one, there's a whole mine full of them :P

Blogger Were-Puppy January 03, 2016 10:10 AM  

@62 SumDood
@36 "I'm trying to be objective here. Lynch is a brilliant writer."

No he is not. The stereotypical characters and paint-by-numbers plot made me give up when I was 100 pages into The Lies of Locke Lamora.
---

I won't say its brilliant, but I liked it a lot. Then again, I like S&S and this one has really good world building.

I thought he spent a lot of time with the world building so that would give the characters plenty of ways to work the system to their advantage.

I also like that one of the guys uses twin hatchets as a weapon, you don't see that very often.

Blogger Thucydides January 03, 2016 12:43 PM  

@40

I thought I was referring to our side. Perhaps I misread.

Regards

Blogger bob k. mando January 03, 2016 3:51 PM  

35. This Will Be Telling January 02, 2016 6:20 PM
Washington is an all party consent state, it would have been useful only to keep you from getting convicted for a worse crime.



no, the threat alone would be enough to moderate their behavior.

it would, after all, not be particularly difficult to do an anon upload of the video to something like 8chan ...

Blogger M.F. Malone January 03, 2016 4:41 PM  

I gather the term “blathering”, (e.g., “blathering bovines”) would make the point— how could one presume gravitas of a blatherer?

Blogger Frank January 04, 2016 5:32 PM  

In the US 12 gets you 20.

In Mexico 12 gets you a shallow grave.

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