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Thursday, January 14, 2016

Rethinking nationalism

First, the self-appointed Western elites were surprised to learn that History had not, in fact, ended. Now they are reeling from the discovery that no one actually wants to live in their shiny, sexy, multicultural, and postnational utopia. Ross Douthat presents Ten Theses on Immigration:
Native backlash against perceived cultural transformation is very powerful, and any politics that refuses to take account of it will fail. 

Even if you suppose, that is, that mass immigration would be an unalloyed good in a world where Western populations could manage to overcome their (or what you think of as their) bigotry and nativism and racism, in the world that actually exists politicians have to account for those forces and not simply assume that the right Facebook rules and elite-level political conspiracies can perpetually keep a lid on populism. If you make choices that very predictably empower the National Front or Pegida or Trump, you cannot wash your hands of those consequences by saying, “oh, it’s not my fault that my fellow countrymen are such terrible bigots.” The way to disempower demagogues is not to maintain a high-minded moral purity that’s dismissive of public opinion’s actual shape; it’s to balance your purity with prudence, so as to avoid handing demagogues issues that might eventually deprive you of power entirely, and render all your moral ambitions moot.

In this vein, Tyler Cowen has suggested that because it courts backlash so brazenly, the open borders movement might not necessarily be good for open borders in the long run. But one could go further and say that extremely liberal immigration policies might not be good for liberal norms, period, in the long run.
Reading the Ten Theses, one might almost think Douthat had read Cuckservative.

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79 Comments:

Blogger Josh January 14, 2016 12:55 PM  

Douthat's always been one of the smarter mainstream republican pundits.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 January 14, 2016 1:09 PM  

Try reading the comments on the article. Amazingly, some of them are exactly the kid of people who need his advice but won't take it.

Blogger Rye Bread January 14, 2016 1:17 PM  

I enjoy reading the comments on Mr. Douthats columns. The sheer volume of "All Is Fine, Your A Bad Bad Racist Man" is just hilarious.

Their worldview is falling apart right in front of them and they still will not admit that anything is wrong.

Blogger praetorian January 14, 2016 1:22 PM  

Clueless media is clueless:

http://news.yahoo.com/republican-sharks-circle-trump-first-debate-2016-131631010.html

By picking Haley, the daughter of Indian immigrants, GOP leaders -- who reportedly greenlighted her speech -- were effectively announcing they had had it with Trump's toxic brand of ethno-nationalism.

What are these folks gonna do when The Real Entho-Nationalists please stand up?

Y'all act like you've never seen a ethno-nationalist before...

We're gonna have a problem here...

Blogger Cataline Sergius January 14, 2016 1:28 PM  

Huh.

I'm not used to finding interesting articles in the New York Times.

American Assimilation, for whatever it was worth is now a completely broken. No one wants to assimilate anymore.

The people who blame Ellis Island for their Americanized surnames are largely full of shit. Their Great-Grandpas shortened their own names to sound more American.

Anonymous Alexander January 14, 2016 1:29 PM  

Nothing shows concerned republican-leaning voters that the establishment has their back like attacking Donald Trump in a nominal rebuttal of Obama.

Haha! We've got another establishment Republican bashing Trump, that'll turn things around for Team Cuck.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 14, 2016 1:39 PM  

The people who blame Ellis Island for their Americanized surnames are largely full of shit. Their Great-Grandpas shortened their own names to sound more American.

Or Great-Grandpa was totally illiterate and had no idea how his name was spelled.

Anonymous Credo in Unum Deum January 14, 2016 1:41 PM  

successful nation-states offer something that few of the transnational institutions or organizations bestriding our globalized world have been able to supply. (The arguable exception of Roman Catholicism is, I fear, only arguable these days.)

That shouldn't surprise anyone who doesn't have to stick a thermometer up their butt to lie about their IQ.

Jesus is God.

God is for everyone. (Not everyone may accept God though.)

All cultures claim Jesus as their own. Even the satanic death cult of islam claims Jesus for themselves. Black Nationalists claim Jesus. Chinese claim Jesus. Koreans claim Jesus. White Europeans claim Jesus.

The Church founded by God Almighty upon Saint Simon-Peter, the Rock, whose successor today is Pope Francis, should therefore appeal across national borders. After the Roman Empire fell, The Church founded by God Himself stepped in to fill the power vacuum, and when (not if) America falls, or some other calamity like a CME sends the entire globe into chaos, the Church again will step in to fill the vacuum and keep things moving along.

Anonymous WillBest January 14, 2016 1:45 PM  

@1 Douthat's always been one of the smarter mainstream republican pundits.

I had read a couple things by him that had me convinced he was a NYT conservative. But lately I have seen him linked to more and more and have been pleasantly surprised he hasn't been fired by his Mexican boss yet.

Blogger Timmy3 January 14, 2016 1:57 PM  

Once you allow them in, the concern is not your own possible bigotry, but of the new immigrants. They will not conform. They bring in their own biases. The self interest of other races will cause the natives to question their own adherence to a point of view that is increasingly outdated.

Blogger James Dixon January 14, 2016 2:00 PM  

Typical Douthat, though. He can't resist taking a dig at Appalachia:

"The Scots-Irish migration to Appalachia and its environs is still heavily responsible for America’s sky-high-by-Western-standards murder rate. And of course the wider world is full of similarly striking case studies."

The only group it's still safe to insult without fear of losing your job or worse.

So as far as I'm concerned, Douthat can go to hell and take his informed opinions with him. Any useful advice he offers is most likely only offered in such a way as to conceal the back stabbing knife hidden inside.

Anonymous kfg January 14, 2016 2:04 PM  

Hy Brazil Isn't Sinking

Blogger Aeoli Pera January 14, 2016 2:06 PM  

Their worldview is falling apart right in front of them and they still will not admit that anything is wrong.

The train full of invaders is fine.

OpenID paworldandtimes January 14, 2016 2:15 PM  

Douthat can go to hell and take his informed opinions with him

There is a gap that's hard for me to bridge, and increasingly I don't concern myself all that much with bridging:

The gap between my (a) raw hatred for the anti-White system and its agents and willing pawns, and

(b) the polite platitudes, misdirections, and lies one makes concessions to in order to serve up a piece of writing to a hostile audience.

PA

Blogger weka January 14, 2016 2:21 PM  

@12. A better way to think of this is to consider why the Southrons and Yankees hate and distrust each other. Or, locally, why Otago feels different from Canterbury. Where I live was settled by Scots, and the Cantab by the Anglicans... and to me, they both feel weird. Because I come from the North Island, which was settled by second sons who needed land, and fought for it.

Or why in the Altiplano some areas are poor 500 years after the Consquistadors enslaved the populace... and those spared are less so.

The borderers produce all the really good battle songs. In Ned of the Hill a Raparee is a Irish Nationalist who robs -- a highwayman.

https://youtu.be/n-y2ox2HPnc

Blogger Groot January 14, 2016 2:21 PM  

Sometimes (mostly), the populism ends up somewhere they hadn't dreamed of. No one wants this to end with guillotines.

(._.) ( l: ) ( .-. ) ( :l ) (._.) ( l: ) ( .-. ) ( :l )

Oops.

Blogger Dexter January 14, 2016 2:22 PM  

"The Scots-Irish migration to Appalachia and its environs is still heavily responsible for America’s sky-high-by-Western-standards murder rate. And of course the wider world is full of similarly striking case studies."

I can't be bother to look, but does he isolate the "Scots-Irish in America" murder rate from the overall murder rate, and compare that to the European murder rate, or is he comparing the "American including Dindus" murder rate to the European murder rate?

Blogger dc.sunsets January 14, 2016 2:29 PM  

"...but there is no question, none, that much of Latin America has more in common culturally with the contemporary U.S. than the Iraqi hinterland has in common with contemporary England"

True but irrelevant. Either this guy still doesn't really understand the coming conflagration or he's pulling his punches in order to write for the Newspaper of Walter Durant.

Blogger Sheila4g January 14, 2016 2:30 PM  

A comment on Steve Sailer's post on Douthat's column expresses my feelings perfectly:

"His argument for slower immigration is the same as most mainstream politicians’ – to allow the immigrants time to be absorbed into the native population, and slowly erode the identity of the host country. He seemingly has no support for the right of the native population to remain racially distinct. His is an argument that will always support the gradual transformation of a country by immigration, because if it happens faster it will provoke a reaction that would stop it entirely."

Blogger dc.sunsets January 14, 2016 2:32 PM  

In part, it seems like he's telling those stuffing our lands with Invader-Americans to either go slower, or hide it better, or they might be unseated in an election even where they have the Diebold Keys.

Blogger pyrrhus January 14, 2016 2:38 PM  

In the continent of Africa, 44/45 countries cannot feed themselves and import a lot of food....people really don't want to hate-think where that is going when Africa goes from 1 billion to 2 billion to (per the UN) 4 billion...

Blogger pyrrhus January 14, 2016 2:42 PM  

"The Scots-Irish migration to Appalachia and its environs is still heavily responsible for America’s sky-high-by-Western-standards murder rate. And of course the wider world is full of similarly striking case studies." No, 80% of murders are committed by minority gangs, but you have to be a lying creep to write for the Mexican controlled NYT......

Blogger Jon M January 14, 2016 2:47 PM  

@21, my thoughts exactly. Douthat is telling the crowd throwing gas on a house fire they should throw dry kindling instead - not as a means of saving the house, but to prevent Fireman Trump from showing up and ruining all the fun.

Give him credit for analyzing the action-response process accurately, sure. That puts him one up on most mainstream analysts, but that's a pretty low bar to get over.

Blogger Praxis Archon January 14, 2016 2:47 PM  

The most interesting aspect of the Douthat "progression" on this topic is that it appears that it has finally begun to dawn on the pundit class that economism (and its attendant multiculturalism & mass migration) isn't being rejected primarily for economic reasons (although it certainly has failed in that respect as well) but on account of cultural and civilisational concerns. The so called "Reformocons" of which Douthat forms a part wanted to characterize the rise of Trump as a rejection of the failure of economism to buoy the wages of the middle class (see the David Frum article in the Atlantic) not a rejection of mass migration, & multiculturalism. This article points to Douthat realizing that the rise of Trump is not the result of a peasant's revolt but a people's revolt against the "Davos Man" consensus. Of course Douthat caveated at the end distinguishing the American scenario from that of Germany but the primary difference between the States and Germany is that it isn't as far along the demographic transformation into part of Dar Al-Islam (not that is it better at assimilation or that the same policies pursued would not result in a German like scenario if the immigrants it attracted were from the ME). Douthat is a smart guy but he retreats from the logical consequences of his own reasoning because of the fear of social ostracization. Trump's real genius has been his ability to expand the scope of acceptable statements through his own shrewdness and force of personality. Trump may be one the smartest politicians in modern times.

Anonymous polyhedron January 14, 2016 2:52 PM  

I wonder what his seventh thesis is.

Blogger Groot January 14, 2016 2:57 PM  

I'm not racist, I'm racially sensitive.
I'm against multiculturalism, because I'm culturally sensitive.

Try these out, in all seriousness.

They use rhetoric to open the door to facts in the news. Multiculturalism is rape culture: look at Rotherham, look at Cologne. If you continue to avert your gaze from the effects of multiculturalism and open borders, you are part of rape culture.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 14, 2016 3:01 PM  

@17 Groot
Sometimes (mostly), the populism ends up somewhere they hadn't dreamed of. No one wants this to end with guillotines.

I think you underestimate both your enemies and your allies.

Blogger Nemo Maximus January 14, 2016 3:05 PM  

Douthat called them his "premises". The editor created the headline calling them the 10 Theses. Was the editor trying to imply that like Luther's 95 Theses, these were a radical callout to the powers that be?

Blogger Skylark Thibedeau January 14, 2016 3:11 PM  

Just wait until they expand from their no go zone to take over an entire city. When Rotheringham, Koln, or Malmo is like Raqqa what will they do?

Blogger Student in Blue January 14, 2016 3:18 PM  

Was the editor trying to imply that like Luther's 95 Theses, these were a radical callout to the powers that be?

If it were, then there'd be more of an obvious parallel.
Sometimes, however, a theses is a theses is a theses.

Blogger Jon M January 14, 2016 3:39 PM  

@24, "The most interesting aspect of the Douthat "progression" on this topic is that it appears that it has finally begun to dawn on the pundit class that economism (and its attendant multiculturalism & mass migration) isn't being rejected primarily for economic reasons (although it certainly has failed in that respect as well) but on account of cultural and civilisational concerns. The so called "Reformocons" of which Douthat forms a part wanted to characterize the rise of Trump as a rejection of the failure of economism to buoy the wages of the middle class (see the David Frum article in the Atlantic) not a rejection of mass migration, & multiculturalism."

Boy, you ain't wrong, but think about how stupid you have to be to believe that if the proles just see their annual income rise by three to four percent each year, they won't mind when their daughters are targeted by the new neighbors in the odd concert/rape-a-thon.

Anonymous VFM 9054 January 14, 2016 3:43 PM  

OT: I thought Vox would find this interesting.

Episcopal Church suspended over gay marriage.

Blogger Nick S January 14, 2016 3:44 PM  

I expect Trump, when asked about the presidential eligibility question in the next debate, to respond with something like: "Suppose an american solider got some hooker pregnant in the Middle East back in 1991 and that child was raised a Salafi Jihadist, comes over here as a refugee and lives until she is old enough to run for president. Would she be eligible? It would just be a few elections away, people. We need to decide now!"

Anonymous kawaika January 14, 2016 3:51 PM  

Goodreads bans abolition historian. Does Goodreads support slavery?

Blogger dienw January 14, 2016 4:08 PM  

@ 33. Nick

I expect Trump, when asked about the presidential eligibility question in the next debate, to respond with something like: "Suppose an american solider got some hooker pregnant in the Middle East back in 1991 and that child was raised a Salafi Jihadist, comes over here as a refugee and lives until she is old enough to run for president. Would she be eligible? It would just be a few elections away, people. We need to decide now!"

Those who supported or voted for Obama and those who are supporting Cruz will answer in the affirmative.

Blogger bob k. mando January 14, 2016 4:11 PM  

33. Nick S January 14, 2016 3:44 PM
"Suppose an american solider got some hooker pregnant in the Middle East back in 1991 and that child was raised a Salafi Jihadist, comes over here as a refugee and lives until she is old enough to run for president. Would she be eligible? It would just be a few elections away, people. We need to decide now!"



we have a better real life example that exists today.

June Oswald.

born in the USSR to a Soviet citizen mother and a US citizen father who had stated that he would like to renounce his citizenship BUT WHO HAD NEVER FULFILLED his renunciation, moved to the USA as a child.

June Oswald fulfills every current ( US )requirement to be a Natural Born Citizen ... of the USSR. she also happens to fulfill US requirements to be a NBC.

so, we could have Lee Harvey Oswald's daughter elected as POTUS.

the fact is that current US law on this issue is so fucked up that it's beyond useless.

Blogger Dexter January 14, 2016 4:12 PM  

Suppose an american solider got some hooker pregnant in the Middle East back in 1991 and that child was raised a Salafi Jihadist, comes over here as a refugee and lives until she is old enough to run for president. Would she be eligible?

Yes because the "hooker" he knocked up was a female American soldier or sailor who wanted to get sent home. Therefore both parents were Americans!

Blogger bob k. mando January 14, 2016 4:13 PM  

35. dienw January 14, 2016 4:08 PM
Those who supported or voted for Obama and those who are supporting Cruz will answer in the affirmative.



El Borak has shown me that, by current law, both Cruz and Obama are likely legitimate and eligible according to current law.

http://nozombiesaloud.blogspot.com/2016/01/the-idiots-guide-to-natural-born.html

see above as to why current law is worse than useless for it's purported purpose.

Blogger bob k. mando January 14, 2016 4:19 PM  

32. VFM 9054 January 14, 2016 3:43 PM
Episcopal Church suspended over gay marriage.



AmyStu will, of course, assert that the Anglican Communion has no business putting themselves forward as any kind of arbiters of Christian doctrine.



34. kawaika January 14, 2016 3:51 PM
Goodreads bans abolition historian. Does Goodreads support slavery?



well, whaddyaknow. how's that for synchronicity?

ElBo is Bill Hoyt's blogging handle.

bet you didn't see that coming ( what with you being myopic and all ) did ya, Bill?

Blogger Skylark Thibedeau January 14, 2016 4:26 PM  

That explains why I lost my only friend on goodreads.

Blogger Pug January 14, 2016 4:57 PM  

Finally.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCfpnknUIVg

Blogger dienw January 14, 2016 4:59 PM  

the fact is that current US law on this issue is so fucked up that it's beyond useless.

No. You just cannot read. How many times do you have to be told that in order to be a natural born citizen both - both - of your parents have to be American citizens at the time of your birth?

Blogger Nick S January 14, 2016 5:01 PM  

The rhetoric will be what's important. Trump will offload the onus by sayaing, "I don't know. I'm just asking." and many people will say,"Hrmmm"

Anonymous Alek J Hidell January 14, 2016 5:13 PM  

BUT WHO HAD NEVER FULFILLED his renunciation

There's a very good reason for that.

Blogger bob k. mando January 14, 2016 5:18 PM  

42. dienw January 14, 2016 4:59 PM
No. You just cannot read. How many times do you have to be told that in order to be a natural born citizen both - both - of your parents have to be American citizens at the time of your birth?



you REALLY need to read more carefully before running your fucking mouth.

that has NOT been the law since, at least, 1790.

http://www.indiana.edu/~kdhist/H105-documents-web/week08/naturalization1790.html

"And the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond Sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born Citizens: Provided, that the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States: Provided also, that no person heretofore proscribed by any States, shall be admitted a citizen as aforesaid, except by an Act of the Legislature of the State in which such person was proscribed."


neither Cruz nor Obama have been proscribed by any state.

both fathers were resident ( but NOT citizens, which is not a requirement of the law ) in the US prior to the children being born.

both mothers were NBC. therefore, NBC rights descend to their children.



42. dienw January 14, 2016 4:59 PM
How many times do you have to be told



you don't get to 'tell me' anything, bitch.

cite the law or shut the fuck up.

Blogger pyrrhus January 14, 2016 5:23 PM  

Yes because the "hooker" he knocked up was a female American soldier or sailor who wanted to get sent home. Therefore both parents were Americans!

Not unless the child was born on an American base or an American embassy, although the child WOULD be an American citizen--it's pretty clear under the existing precedent that for Constitutional purposes that "natural born" means on American soil.

Blogger bob k. mando January 14, 2016 5:25 PM  

44. Alek J Hidell January 14, 2016 5:13 PM
There's a very good reason for that.


and this reason has what bearing on the ( current ) NBC status of June Oswald?

failure to complete *all* of the specific steps in renouncing US citizenship means ... you're still a US citizen. in Lee Harvey's case, a Natural Born Citizen. and that status thus descends to his children regardless of where they are born or to what nationality of mother.

Blogger bob k. mando January 14, 2016 5:27 PM  

46. pyrrhus January 14, 2016 5:23 PM
it's pretty clear under the existing precedent that for Constitutional purposes that "natural born" means on American soil.



see reference above. existing law permits NBC children to be "born beyond Sea, or out of the limits of the United States".

Anonymous Quartermain January 14, 2016 5:34 PM  

To the Multiculturalists,

Humanity is tribal by nature. Live with it.

Blogger Nick S January 14, 2016 6:13 PM  

Humanity is tribal by nature. Live with it.

Human nature is a social construct unless it's handy to believe otherwise. ~ Fundamental Tenets of SJWism.

Blogger dienw January 14, 2016 6:20 PM  

Very well. Having read up via a Harvard essay and LegalInsurrection, I yield the case; but we are thoroughly screwed: Obama, if he was born to Stanley Dunham or in Hawaii, then he is a natural born citizen and all the fears of the founders have born out. This can be considered the first loss and key of control of what a nation can call a citizen.

Vatel's Law of Nations of 1758 gives the original meaning of natural born citizen; and it is most likely what the founders had in mind (and it is what I have based my argument on):

The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers [Cruz's father was Cuban then Canadian.] is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent.

also from same essay: The Naturalization Act of 1795, which was also signed by George Washington, recognized Blackstone’s commentaries on English Common Law, making children born overseas in the lands [includes Canada, BTW] under British rule, British Subjects. Even if their parents were American. This act removed the words natural born from children born overseas of American parents, so that no other potentate could lay claim to this person, and thus establish “a presence of influence” in the Executive Branch.

Anonymous old man in a villa January 14, 2016 6:29 PM  

"...in the world that actually exists..."

There it is again, the accidental money shot. Xer Douhat didn't even notice when a single truth dribbled from the end of his poison pen.

These people do not live in the real world. It's funny to say that they always lie, but sometimes they don't. The problem is that they simply do not recognize the difference between the two. They're for diversity, but they live in all White neighborhoods, they hate the White Western World but cannot refrain from using all of it's tools and systems.

I truly believe that much as a person who eats food devoid of nutrition becomes malnourished, so too does a person who lives in a world absent all things natural begin to lose touch with reality. These are in fact malnourished souls starving for authentic lives and like a morbidly obese Person of WalMart jamming cheese-doodles in their pie hole to feed a hunger that cannot be sated they fill their lives with vacuous ideologies and empty ideologies, eternally focusing their hatred on the svelte souls of the spiritually well fed.

Blogger bob k. mando January 14, 2016 6:35 PM  

51. dienw January 14, 2016 6:20 PM
but we are thoroughly screwed:



agreed. as i have already pointed out, the daughter of a POTUS assassin, born in the Soviet Union to a Communist mother appears to be "Natural Born Citizen" under current law.

which is absurd, if the whole point of the NBC category is to protect the primary executive position in the land from becoming occupied by those with split or subject ( or completely subversive ) loyalties.

this is a law which needs to be directly addressed and changed by Congress, at a minimum. and it certainly needs to become a GREAT deal more restrictive than it currently is.


51. dienw January 14, 2016 6:20 PM
Vatel's Law of Nations of 1758



is certainly a FAR better formulation than the one we are currently using.

however, that's French law from before the US existed ... and therefore not binding on us in any way.

Blogger dienw January 14, 2016 6:43 PM  

however, that's French law from before the US existed ... and therefore not binding on us in any way.

In the same essay, it made clear that the founders were reading Vatel's Law of Nations and referring to it before the Revolution and during the writing of the Constitution. John Jay, Thomas Jefferson, Samuel Adams, and Ben Franklin all read it and referred to it.

Blogger tz January 14, 2016 6:56 PM  

It should be nailed to a door - that is locked from the inside.

Opinion Poles: NazEU (the magazine cover is worth the click) http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-01-13/after-poland-compares-eu-nazis-brussels-launches-unprecedented-review-polish-media-l

Blogger tz January 14, 2016 7:05 PM  

@33 Nick S - you are a master.

Maybe Cruz can take a McDuff and ask if a caesarian qualifies.

If labor starts, and the baby emerges, but the Mother gets on a plane before it is all the way, crosses into US airspace, would it be partial-birth citizenship?

If a woman has an abortion in the US, can she apply for citizenship as her dead baby was sold for parts in America?

Anonymous MendoScot January 14, 2016 7:06 PM  

@12 kfg
Hy Brazil Isn't Sinking

Excellent!

Anonymous Discard January 14, 2016 7:10 PM  

7. Snidely Whiplash: This is strictly a Jewish complaint. My guess is that Jews who knew only the Hebrew or Russian alphabets just had to take their chances with the immigration clerks. OTOH, even an illiterate Pole likely had a baptismal certificate with his name in Latin letters. Unpronounceable perhaps, but not unreadable.

Anonymous Godfrey January 14, 2016 7:57 PM  

Is it really nationalism? No. It's really about survival. The elites are waging a War on Humanity. They bomb, starve, and kill the Mohammadians and then they invite the survivors into your neighborhood to rape your wife and cut your throat.

The real enemy is the global financial elites and their fiat monetary monopoly. They subjugate the world using banks, not tanks. They're using immigrants as shock troops to subjugate native populations.

Anonymous BigGaySteve January 14, 2016 8:01 PM  

Did you see slumlord buffet is waging war on Indians?

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-01-14/slumlord-buffetts-disturbing-business-model-be-probed-feds








He walked them through Clayton-built homes on the lot, then into the sales center, passing a banner and posters promoting one subprime lender: Vanderbilt Mortgage, a Clayton subsidiary. Inside, he handed them a Vanderbilt sales pamphlet.



“Vanderbilt is the only one that finances on the reservation,” he told the women.
His claim, which the women caught on tape, was a lie. And it was illegal....

At Berkshire’s annual meeting last May, Buffett said he made “no apologies whatsoever” about Clayton’s “exemplary” lending, in response to a question about an earlier Seattle Times story saying that Clayton trapped borrowers into unaffordable loans on depreciating homes


Anonymous average bob January 14, 2016 8:50 PM  

Douthat should be called "douche-hat"

Blogger bob k. mando January 14, 2016 9:45 PM  

54. dienw January 14, 2016 6:43 PM
In the same essay, it made clear that the founders were reading Vatel's Law of Nations and referring to it before the Revolution and during the writing of the Constitution. John Jay, Thomas Jefferson, Samuel Adams, and Ben Franklin all read it and referred to it.



i'm not disputing any of that.

it is, however, irrelevant when there is existing US law, passed through Congress, signed by the President, which defines NBC otherwise.

i would much prefer that the 1790 Naturalization Law had never been written, then appealing to English Common Law and Vattel would be valid.

as the 1790 Law exists, the only way around this now is if subsequent law voided or amended the definition of "Natural Born Citizen" which was lawfully passed back then.

if you read the discussion between ElBo and i, you'll note that i'm the nutjob who asserts that all of the Reconstruction Amendments are illegal "under duress" contracts and not in any way binding Constitutional law.

not that i would bother making such an argument in a US court.

we've long since passed into the age of unaccountable Black Robed Gods legislating from the bench whatever suits their fancy this year.

that's why we got that abortion of an Eminent Domain ruling in the mid 2000s Kelo decision and that's why Roberts redefined the ACA as a tax/fine on the fly in order to make ObamaCare 'legal'.



"The redevelopment in New London, the subject of the Kelo decision, proved to be a failure and as of ten years after the court's decision nothing has been built on the taken land in spite of the expenditure of over $100 million in public funds. The Pfizer corporation, which owned a $300 million research facility in the area, and would have been the primary beneficiary of the additional development, announced in 2009 that it would close its facility, and did so shortly before the expiration of its 10-year tax abatement agreement with the city."


all 5 Justices who voted for Kelo should have been summarily impeached, removed from office and had their assets seized to compensate those many private citizens whose homes they destroyed. however, the attempt would have been fruitless as the Demoncrats in the Senate would have blocked it. there's no way they would have given Shrub five appointments to the Supreme Court.

Blogger kaflick January 14, 2016 10:22 PM  

@16
Sometimes (mostly), the populism ends up somewhere they hadn't dreamed of. No one wants this to end with guillotines.

The people on the fringes do.

First the 99% in the middle claim there isn't a problem.

Then the 90% in the middle say they can't be mean to the people causing the problems.

Then the 75% in the middle say the problem is just a misunderstanding.

Then the 50% in the middle say the people causing the problem can't be sent away, there is too many of them.

Then the 25% in the middle say "No Violence!" to the people trying to defend themselves.

Then the 10% in the middle complain "How did we get to guillotines?"

That is the way it works.

Blogger Phillip George January 14, 2016 10:25 PM  

8. Credo in Unum Deum

I really wasn't certain if you weren't being satirical. Pope Francis has just made the most anti-Christ anti-Christian statement among them all. Can he even be called Christian? Not if simple Christian scripture is considered.

your Pope, your leader, your man to follow: "“Many think differently, feel differently, seeking God or meeting God in different ways. In this crowd, in this range of religions, there is only one certainty that we have for all: we are all children of God,” Pope Francis"

written spoken and authorized by the Pope? Like Islam, the only problem is, it isn't the Truth.

If that represented the final throne of anti[-Christ, the end is near enough.

The Pope effectively said it doesn't matter about Jesus - you are already a son of God. So once were angels relegated the darkest place in Hell.

Anonymous BigGaySteve January 14, 2016 10:31 PM  

Their Great-Grandpas shortened their own names to sound more American.

I know someone who said his great grandfather changed the family last name to a jewish name in case there was another Holodomor. He chose the name of a guy in the paper busted for a financial crime.

In the continent of Africa, 44/45 countries cannot feed themselves and import a lot of food....

Every country in Africa would be able to feed themselves 2 years after we stopped sending them aid.

Blogger The Other Robot January 14, 2016 10:50 PM  

And someone is making a comeback.

Anonymous Hezekiah Garrett January 15, 2016 12:33 AM  

@63

I hardly saw your lips move, impressive! Once you get your hand out of the Holy Father's ass, maybe you'll explain why you apply the most uncharitable interpretation possible to your brother's words, and call it Christianity?

Blogger Dirk Manly January 15, 2016 12:37 AM  

https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Rapefugee

Blogger Dirk Manly January 15, 2016 12:37 AM  

https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Rapefugee

Blogger Phillip George January 15, 2016 12:57 AM  

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Blogger Phillip George January 15, 2016 1:02 AM  

too many typos:-
@66, you scored there with the numbering,
Hezekiah Garrett,
when Saint Paul came saying, if anyone comes preaching any other gospel, than what you have received from me, let them be accursed, roughly which gospel do you think he was referring to...

the Pharisee's on their path to their god,
the Essene's on their path to their god,
the Roman's on their path to their many gods,
the Hindu's on their path to their many gods?

Was Saint Paul being uncharitable, unloving, unkind, dystopian? So very very many Questions, and so very few dogma's to guide this loving discussion. Having introduced exclusivity to the discussion by citing Pope Francis was he referring to him, do you think, as the Vatican City Head of State or leader of the Roman Catholic Church. Would the Pope be more specific and elaborate on the specific merits of Muhammad's gospel in helping people to find Jesus Christ the risen Lord? this is a blog.

When Jesus said, I am the Way, the Truth and the Life, No-one comes to the Father but by me, do you think Jesus knew what He was talking about?

Blogger Phillip George January 15, 2016 1:53 AM  

Did the Apostle John have any insights, do you think, into the merits of Jesus' life:=

But those that received him, to them he gave authority to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his Name

Yeshua ben Yosef, Yeshuah ha Meshiach, be Yosef ?

Does the Pope agree with John, or perhaps disagree? I can go into all sorts of mental gynmastics trying to give Pope Francis the benefit of context, but it doesn't look like any reading of the eternal immutable gospel of Jesus Christ.

Blogger Phillip George January 15, 2016 2:05 AM  

more mental gymnastics required:

And if at times our efforts and works seem to fail and produce no fruit, we need to remember that we are followers of Jesus… and his life, humanly speaking, ended in failure, the failure of the cross.”

I mean which Pope wants to follow a loser when he can create a new winning team?

Mental gymnastics. But let's do "benefit" of the doubt again to create "feel good".

Blogger Samuel Nock January 15, 2016 2:16 AM  

"Douthat's always been one of the smarter mainstream republican pundits."

Nah, he's just been reading Sailer, Jared Taylor, Unz, VD and others for years but doesn't admit it. That doesn't make him smart, just derivative.

Anonymous Desiderius January 15, 2016 2:38 AM  

"Douthat called them his "premises". The editor created the headline calling them the 10 Theses. Was the editor trying to imply that like Luther's 95 Theses, these were a radical callout to the powers that be?"

There is in fact a resemblance there.

Luther himself started out as a fanatically Catholic monk.

Lots of seriously idealistic liberals doing some profound allegiance questioning these days.

Blogger James Dixon January 15, 2016 4:20 AM  

Bob. Ann Coulter has a good column about the natural born citizen law: http://townhall.com/columnists/anncoulter/2016/01/13/were-all-ruth-bader-ginsburg-now-n2104198

You may want to read it. It reinforces some of your points and disagrees with others.

Blogger bob k. mando January 15, 2016 11:36 AM  

75. James Dixon January 15, 2016 4:20 AM
You may want to read it. It reinforces some of your points and disagrees with others.



it reinforces ALL of my points, most especially talking about how the judiciary has been legislating from the bench for a very long time now.

you don't get to redefine the law on the fly from the bench just because a plain reading produces a result you don't like.

"As the Supreme Court said in Bellei, a case about the citizenship of a man born in Italy to a native-born American mother and an Italian father: "It is evident.."


it is evident that the law clearly states otherwise, dumbass.

this is exactly how we got faggot marriage rammed down our throats.

the 1790 law defines NBC for children of citizens born overseas.

keep in mind, just in this thread we've already had definitions of 'Natural Born Citizen' from both English and French law.

well, the English and French law don't completely agree with each other. Blackstone doesn't completely agree with his own interpretation of Common Law at various places.

Q: how do we determine WHICH pre-Revolutionary term-of-art definition we're supposed to go by?

A: we look to the definitions passed into law by the legislature.

i've already pointed out that 1790 is a garbage law, introducing all sorts of failure points that did NOT exist in earlier definitions.

therefore, we need a new, superseding bill to clarify this issue.

Anonymous Quartermaster January 15, 2016 2:58 PM  

@5
It's been broken since the massive immigration of the late 19th century. During the war of northern aggression, The Yankee Army recruited openly in Germany and Ireland. After the war was over, both joined their countrymen that had proceeded them after the revolution of 1845 and the potato famine in urban enclaves. That didn't last, but the Italians and Poles were a different kettle of fish. Latin America invaders are the same on steroids.

@8
Islam does not accept Jesus. They made up their own version.

@7
Many changed their names to sound more American. Karl Steinmetz, for example, changed his name from Karl to Charles. That's hardly a shorter version. You are correct about many names changing because of the illiteracy of the immigrant. The immigration officers changed many a name.

@11
Douthat is your typical provincial New Yorker. That he is badly uninformed on Appalachia is also typical.

I've lived in Appalachia both north and south. Currently, I'm in the mountains of WNC. Crime is quite low. There are few dindus, and the blacks that do live here ar4e salt of the earth types that simply want to get on with life and not play the victim game. I know two, one is a manager at Hardees, and the other is retired, attends the same church I do and is married to a white man.

While it is true that NABALT, there are simply too few of them. An instructor at Nashville State Tech was structural Engineer that I became fast friends with. His son, however, had deeply imbibed the leftist victimhood trash and he radiated hatred for whitey.

Anonymous Anonymous January 19, 2016 10:48 AM  

The story is out there now.

http://theweek.com/articles/599577/how-obscure-adviser-pat-buchanan-predicted-wild-trump-campaign-1996

Expect a stupendous among of opposition research to link trump to some of these thinkers and tag him with the racism label. Whether it matters or not at this point I'm not sure.

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