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Monday, January 04, 2016

Social Justice convergence at Goodreads

This is hilarious. Goodreads not only deleted my account in less than 36 hours, but they deleted the Rabid Puppies group as well.
Hello Vox,

Your account was recently brought to our attention.  Upon review, we have decided to remove it from the site.  A CSV of the books you shelved is attached for your personal records.  You are banned from using Goodreads in any capacity going forward.

Sincerely,
The Goodreads Team
La, whatever shall I do without SJWs telling me what to read? In any event, that should certainly suffice to demonstrate what sort of playing field they have established there. It's an interesting sort of business plan that revolves around marketing only to the left side of the political spectrum.

Of course, they're not alone. Consider the open source projects that have also been converged. As I have written, keep them out, or they'll eventually kick you out.

But what these actions demonstrate is weakness and what they represent is opportunity. Every company that is converged is handing a competitor the opportunity to FoxNews them. Whether it is Mozilla or Wikipedia or Goodreads, the eventual outcome is clear: they will go the way of CNN as soon as a non-SJW competitor appears.

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198 Comments:

Blogger Feather Blade January 04, 2016 8:39 PM  

36 hours... is that a record? That seems like it should be a record.

Blogger Wrangler January 04, 2016 8:45 PM  

Yeah, I noticed just a minute ago I wasn't in a group and couldn't find RP. Also, couldn't find you or Vlad on goodreads. I'm not surprised. Standing by for next COA.

Blogger Skylark Thibedeau January 04, 2016 8:45 PM  

I was on the group just a little while ago. I still have my account but I've been reviewing books since 2012. Book Burning by Omission indeed.

Anonymous DarthWheatley #2415 January 04, 2016 8:46 PM  

I will have to re-write my reviews. Still... obviously you hit a raw nerve. I'm still flagging reviews that attack authors, it's not going to stop the hundreds (thousands?) of us that aren't afraid to do it.

Anonymous karsten January 04, 2016 8:47 PM  

You, and all of us, should register under pseudonyms.

Anonymous Kudos The Lexecutioner January 04, 2016 8:47 PM  

I just logged into Goodreads at 1942 CST, USA. Vox is still listed as an active link on my account.

Anonymous Big Bill January 04, 2016 8:48 PM  

Yikes! Goodreads is censoring readers for PC?

Why on earth is Amazon (the Kindle people) embedding Goodreads in their Kindle software?

I bought my last few Mil SciFi books from Amazon. I bought my Vox books from Amazon. But now Amazon is going to be censoring Vox on their Kindle? Why? Because Amazon does not want dirty, nasty white males talking up their books?

Blogger Johan January 04, 2016 8:49 PM  

They didn't even give a reason for banning you?

Anonymous #1037 January 04, 2016 8:49 PM  

How dare you, sir? How dare you rate books and discuss them. The bally nerve of it! It's the permaban hammer for you!

Blogger Humpty Dumpty #4464 January 04, 2016 8:49 PM  

I know I shouldn't be shocked, but holy shit. Defeating these people is going to take some serious no screwing around commitment It's hilarious how they absolutely cannot stand any kind of dissent.

Blogger Salt January 04, 2016 8:52 PM  

Is that a record, Vox?

Blogger Salt January 04, 2016 8:55 PM  

Hello Peter,

Your group Rabid Puppies was recently brought to our attention. We do not tolerate the attempted manipulation of our ratings or any other abuse of our site features.. Given this, we have removed your group from the site.

Please note that future groups engaging in activity of this nature will also come under review for removal.

Sincerely,
The Goodreads Team

Blogger VD January 04, 2016 8:57 PM  

They didn't even give a reason for banning you?

Nope. I don't think they could. Because I didn't violate any of their posted rules.

We do not tolerate the attempted manipulation of our ratings or any other abuse of our site features.

Translation: we only tolerate the manipulation of our ratings by our fellow SJWs.

Anonymous #8601 Jean Valjean January 04, 2016 8:59 PM  

I assume the Goodreads executives could spy on all RP Group discussions.

Blogger VD January 04, 2016 8:59 PM  

Why on earth is Amazon (the Kindle people) embedding Goodreads in their Kindle software?

Amazon owns them.

Anonymous Samael I Am January 04, 2016 9:00 PM  

Was the banning under the "don't directly attack authors rule" or did they give you any indication of what rule you supposedly broke?

Blogger Salt January 04, 2016 9:00 PM  

Okay, what should I name the group?

Anonymous 7513 January 04, 2016 9:00 PM  

Yep, just checked: no longer a member of Rabid Puppies. Fight on. Since they are censoring, it is self-evident whose side is in the right. Censorship is the position of weakness. Fight on.

Blogger Wrangler January 04, 2016 9:02 PM  

Alright, so tough shit. Let's get over it. All we need to know is what to do. It's either:
A. stay in a rate without the organized group and conspire off-line, or
B. scorched earth and try to contact every friend we have in goodreads an try to get then to cancel out, spam goodreads facebook/twitter...
But, just crying about it is an unacceptable course of action.

Blogger Salt January 04, 2016 9:02 PM  

All of our books and ratings etc are there.

Blogger Humpty Dumpty #4464 January 04, 2016 9:03 PM  

@17, Rabid Puppies II? Or is that too obvious?

Blogger Salt January 04, 2016 9:04 PM  

Wendell. That's what it should be named.

Anonymous Samael I Am January 04, 2016 9:04 PM  

Vox, do you think it's better to have "right wing" alternatives to sites like these, or just sites that aren't babies about banning disagreement?

Anonymous No January 04, 2016 9:04 PM  

Self selecting warrens are the easiest to drown.

Anonymous Stark January 04, 2016 9:07 PM  

It's an interesting sort of business plan that revolves around marketing only to the left side of the political spectrum.

Well, when EVERYTHING is to your left, it must seem that way.

Anonymous Malwyn's apprentice January 04, 2016 9:08 PM  

@17 -- if RP is flagged, then you could try Wendell's World, or Mighty Manatee ...

Blogger VD January 04, 2016 9:08 PM  

Was the banning under the "don't directly attack authors rule" or did they give you any indication of what rule you supposedly broke?

I didn't attack any authors. No, the email is quoted in full above.

Let's get over it.

I think I'll survive. I canceled my account there myself three years ago.

stay in a rate without the organized group and conspire off-line

That, obviously. This was just a test. Now we know where they stand; they are weaker than I'd thought. All the RP who haven't emailed me yet with RP in the subject should do so.

Anonymous grey enlightenment January 04, 2016 9:08 PM  

more like bad reads

f' em

Anonymous IndecisiveEvidence January 04, 2016 9:09 PM  

Wrangler, we do have a victory at least by showing they don't care about their own rules and they are by and large dishonest people.

We have the moral level. Of course, I don't quite know what to do next.

Blogger VD January 04, 2016 9:10 PM  

Vox, do you think it's better to have "right wing" alternatives to sites like these, or just sites that aren't babies about banning disagreement?

I would have said the latter until recently, but now I'm not so sure.

Rabid Puppies II? Or is that too obvious?

It's not the name that matters, it's the collective action. That's what scares them, and that's why they only nuked the leadership. So, you can have a group for discussion, but it can't act in concert.

Blogger Doseux January 04, 2016 9:11 PM  

I was wondering also, when I checked back on Goodreads, why I couldn't find Rapid Puppies and no longer had Vox marked as a friend.

I suppose I now know. Well, it was fun while it lasted. I'll stand by until the Dark Lord gives his command.

Blogger VD January 04, 2016 9:12 PM  

We'll be having an IT-related Brainstorm to discuss this and other things soon. In the meantime, just continue using it like you did before, and avoid any concerted action that will trigger them.

Blogger Skylark Thibedeau January 04, 2016 9:16 PM  

I noticed that saying someone has not even read the book and is giving more of a review of the author/editor's politics than the contents is considered harassment.

Harassment would be saying I could tell you haven't read the book because there are no grease stained fingerprints from the potato chips you've been stuffing in your mouth all day Lard Ass.

Anonymous Jiang January 04, 2016 9:16 PM  

Goodreads pickin' a fight with Vox Day. Not even Twitter has done that.

Blogger The Other Robot January 04, 2016 9:16 PM  

But what is collective action.

If lots of people decide to complain about Lis Moron's reviews because they think her reviews are personal attacks against authors or editors that is not collective action.

Blogger VD January 04, 2016 9:18 PM  

If lots of people decide to complain about Lis Moron's reviews because they think her reviews are personal attacks against authors or editors that is not collective action.

It is in their opinion. That's exactly what they want to stomp out. That's why they need to kick us out, because we have sufficient numbers to make a noticeable impact.

Blogger Salt January 04, 2016 9:22 PM  

4th Gen. time. Uncoordinated.

Blogger Giuseppe The Kurgan January 04, 2016 9:27 PM  

does anyone even use goodreads? I know I sure as crap did nothing with it for 4 years or more

Anonymous Hawk S. Rabidus January 04, 2016 9:27 PM  

Vox, I don't think that Goodreads fears collective, concerted action.

Like the Hugos, they want Goodreads to be a fun place for book fans.

When you try to wield these things as weapons, which is only possible through collective action, you change things from what they were originally envisoned to be.

And that's why the Hugos and Goodreads are shunning you and your group. Just remain as separate individuals and all will be fine.

Anonymous KoranBurningFaggot January 04, 2016 9:27 PM  

You, and all of us, should register under pseudonyms.

I would not recommend using something like KoranBurningFaggot there.

We do not tolerate the attempted manipulation of our ratings or any other abuse of our site features from anyone that doesn't like "If You Where Snorting Cocaine From A 15yo's Genitalia My Love".

Okay, what should I name the group?

Lesbian Pederasts for Bondage Fiction. Oh wait I checked that's taken Lena Dunham is the group leader.

Blogger Masha K. January 04, 2016 9:30 PM  

Oh crap. I was so happy last night to see a Like from Vox himself for my SJWAL review from September. And now Vlad is gone from the group I run on GR (also seems to be gone from GR altogether). What the hell?
I always thought Goodreads would be relatively safe from censorship, as compared to Facebook/Twitter. This is beyond sucky.

Blogger Emmett Fitz-Hume January 04, 2016 9:31 PM  

@39

Translation: "Don't threaten us by doing what we do. Know your place and obey your betters. Now, do not assemble and keep your head down."

Blogger Salt January 04, 2016 9:35 PM  

Like the Hugos, they want Goodreads to be a fun place for book fans.

I had a great time with the Hugos.

Blogger Emmett Fitz-Hume January 04, 2016 9:35 PM  

Holy cow! That was fast, though. I was starting to enjoy myself, rating books and writing reviews.

One minute, I was writing a review and had two whole friends! Then the next one friend, Vox Day, had been memory holed.

Why do they show their fears and weakness so readily?

Blogger Amaryllis January 04, 2016 9:36 PM  

I kind of expected something to happen once ratings started getting affected, but I AM surprised at how fast it happened. I figured 1-2 weeks. But a DAY? Damn. Meanwhile, some of those fake 1-star reviews have been up for years. For a bunch of apparently powerless idiots, they take action awful quickly to head us off.

I was already fully on board after Sasquan, but if I wasn't, this would definitely push me over. Can you believe I started reading more SFF and voting in the Hugos because I thought it would be FUN?

Blogger TheRedSkull January 04, 2016 9:38 PM  

GoodThink.

I always found the name vaguely homosexual, and the userbase more so.

My heuristic for Amazon is simply:
1. Algorithm recc list
2. Has above # of threshold reviews for genre?
3. Read top three reviews.
3a. IQ low? Skip.
3b. SJWs hate? Investigate.
3c. RealHumans like? Get.

Blogger Emmett Fitz-Hume January 04, 2016 9:39 PM  

Seeing as how Amazon owns Goodreads, I wonder if they acted so fast because they (Amazon) would have loved to take action a while ago but couldn't afford to do so in a venue that actually sells books, even books they might not like. But give them a venue where they wouldn't necessarily be shooting themselves in the foot by banning/censoring...

Blogger Bill January 04, 2016 9:46 PM  

Vox,
Any chance you got banned by a single SJW admin?
Maybe drop this guy a line, just as a last effort?
https://www.goodreads.com/user/show/1-otis-chandler

I hate to just give up these established institutions.

Blogger El Borak January 04, 2016 9:49 PM  

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Blogger SirHamster January 04, 2016 9:52 PM  

When you try to wield these things as weapons, which is only possible through collective action, you change things from what they were originally envisoned to be.

A vision of a Safe Space for white women to attack a Native American with impunity.

Anonymous Mr. Rational January 04, 2016 9:56 PM  

4th gen.  I'm on it.

Blogger TheRedSkull January 04, 2016 9:56 PM  

Clearly the solution to our nation's problems is to have Vox banned from the presidency.

Blogger SteelPalm January 04, 2016 9:56 PM  

I was the group moderator under the name "Vlad" and they deleted my account and all 100+ reviews (most of them having nothing to do with SJW fiction) as well. As in Peter's case, they claimed I "attempted manipulation of our ratings". However, I certainly envisioned such a possibility occurring, and am more bemused by it than anything.

It was a lot of fun planning the group tactics and I'm more enthusiastic about fighting SJW than ever.

Also, they left the Rabid Puppies rank-and-file members on Goodreads unscathed, so they can still be mobilized, albeit not directly through the site itself.

And, at least for now, the average rating for "If You were a Dinosaur, My Love" has still hit the goal of sub 3.20, humorously enough.

Lastly, whoever deleted Vox's page has to be fairly high up on the food chain. Deleting a Goodreads author page, especially one with a sizable following and hundreds of ratings on multiple books requires substantial influence, even among their employees.

Blogger Emmett Fitz-Hume January 04, 2016 10:01 PM  

Last I checked, Vox's author page was still there, as are his books. But his member page (or whatever they call it) is gone.

Anonymous KoranBurningFaggot January 04, 2016 10:01 PM  

Like the Hugos, they want Goodreads to be a fun place for book fans.I had a great time with the Hugos... I had a great time with the Hugos.

I was acting like GRRM getting an all year $40 pass to an you can eat buffet. But it was for schadenfreude.

Blogger Salt January 04, 2016 10:02 PM  

I was a group mod too and they didn't delete my account. Perhaps it's because I have a book there.

Anonymous Hezekiah Garrett January 04, 2016 10:03 PM  

Are you a gullible simpleton or a fucking liar?

Anonymous Passinthough January 04, 2016 10:05 PM  

Call the group "The Wild Hunt". We're just a group of Susan Cooper fans.

Blogger Guitar Man January 04, 2016 10:05 PM  

Who are you yelling at, Hezekiah?

Blogger El Borak January 04, 2016 10:08 PM  

Yeah, and get off Hezekiah's lawn, too, you no-account galoots!

Anonymous Soga January 04, 2016 10:12 PM  

In the end, they can't and won't win. Position of weakness, as Vox says, and there are endless opportunities for us to seize here. Opportunities to undermine the Left and profit in the process.

And if they try to seize control of the internet via ISP pressure, we make tons of noise about it. There's nothing stopping us now.

The train is not only fine, it is rolling.

Blogger Wrangler January 04, 2016 10:14 PM  

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Blogger Salt January 04, 2016 10:18 PM  

File 770 already has Vox's purge from GR up.

Anonymous LR_VFM5411 January 04, 2016 10:18 PM  

@Wrangler

Saw your comments on SJW's always lie and the reviewer commenting back.

Thanks

Blogger Salt January 04, 2016 10:24 PM  

What scared GR is that in the <36 hours of Rabid Puppies, there were slightly less than 200 of us.

Anonymous DarthWheatley 2415 January 04, 2016 10:25 PM  

@53 Vlad, I stupidly forgot to make a copy of my review I sent you (the one referring to Vogon poetry). I know, what was I thinking, that Goodreads wouldn't delete you and all our conversations?!?

The sad parts is I don't want to read the horrific thing again to reformulate that review. Gack. My intestines might try to strangle myself internally if I have to read it again.

Crazy. The inmates running the asylum, indeed.

Blogger Emmett Fitz-Hume January 04, 2016 10:28 PM  

According to a Sean O'Hara at File 770, he's responsible for Goodreads' actions after he joined and infiltrated the Rabid Puppies group and then took his findings to Goodreads people.

Blogger Caffeineforge January 04, 2016 10:29 PM  

I'm surprised; I thought they would fine a way to rain on the parade, but this is pretty blunt.

Anonymous Siobhan January 04, 2016 10:30 PM  

Eek:

https://www.goodreads.com/author_blog_posts/9683209-you-all-owe-me

Anonymous #1037 January 04, 2016 10:35 PM  

@67 not exactly James Bond level stuff, joining a public group. Let's see if turnabout is fair play...

Blogger Skylark Thibedeau January 04, 2016 10:38 PM  

@69 SJW'S always project.

Blogger Student in Blue January 04, 2016 10:39 PM  

@69

Oh look, what nice damning evidence he has -- Vlad and Vox encouraging people to review HONESTLY and often.

Those cads!

Blogger weka January 04, 2016 10:42 PM  

Commented -- it will be taken down.

Have you ever considered that there are plenty of people who like Vox? And Kratman?
And Stross?
And Beowulf (Seamus Hardy and the Tolkein version?)
And early Scalzi -- because Redshirts is unendurable.

Who read voraciously and eclectically?

And hate it when little twerps like you try to censor what we read.

What the paymasters here forget is that there are alternatives. I don't need to use a kindle -- though I like mine, there are alternatives.

Bartleby
Baen Books
Castilia House
the Kobo and Nook libraries.

Goodreads is supposed to add value to the reading experience. Not remove it.

So, kindly take your sensitivities and massage them somewhere private.

Blogger weka January 04, 2016 10:44 PM  

Should have added yo @73 it was in reply to @69. Yes, I like the laundry series -- it and the early Jim Butcher are urban fantasy that do not make me puke.

I'm vile, but not a minion :-)

Blogger Nick S January 04, 2016 10:45 PM  

According to a Sean O'Hara at File 770, he's responsible for Goodreads' actions after he joined and infiltrated the Rabid Puppies group and then took his findings to Goodreads people.

I call bullshit. There was nothing to find at Goodreads.

Blogger Sevron January 04, 2016 10:47 PM  

Honestly feeling a little bummed about this. But that's why I take orders instead of planning. I don't see the opportunity, but I sure as hell want to take full advantage of any that somebody makes known to me.

Blogger Skylark Thibedeau January 04, 2016 10:48 PM  

Some author on Goodreads named Sean is about to have his books and blog posts heavily scrutinized.

Anonymous 165 January 04, 2016 10:49 PM  

Young Mr. O'Hara has reviewed a whole bunch of books, and his reviews show his literary tastes. The Godfather gets 1 star out of 5; Sailor Moon gets 4.

Blogger Samuel Nock January 04, 2016 10:49 PM  

The left's blindness to their own double standard is truly stunning.

When the right engages in some kind of civic collective action (which is rare), it is deemed evil incarnate.

When the left bans, doxes, fires, destroys, that is just necessary policing.

Blogger Nick S January 04, 2016 10:50 PM  

Let the mischief ensue.

Blogger Salt January 04, 2016 10:53 PM  

Sean is in a group -

"CHORF Central Command — 14 members — last activity Jan 02, 2016 01:46PM
Congratulations, comrades. We have triumphed over the reactionary cabal of Theodore Beale's Rabid Puppies Brigade! But this is only one battle in a long war. Eternal vigilance is required. This group is dedicated to identifying speculative fiction works deserving of Hugo Award nominations. Our goal is not to build a slate but to raise awareness of these works prior to the opening of submissions so more people can go into the nominations better prepared. (less)

Blogger Skylark Thibedeau January 04, 2016 10:55 PM  

According to his Amazon Writers bio he moved from the U.K. to Thailand where he's a school teacher. I think we can all guess what that might mean?

Blogger Salt January 04, 2016 10:58 PM  

Sean reviews Riding The Red Horse by attacking the editors.

Blogger 1337kestrel January 04, 2016 11:00 PM  

Young Mr. O'Hara has reviewed a whole bunch of books, and his reviews show his literary tastes. The Godfather gets 1 star out of 5; Sailor Moon gets 4.

What kind of philistine reads the book version of The Godfather???

Blogger Skylark Thibedeau January 04, 2016 11:01 PM  

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Anonymous Roundtine January 04, 2016 11:07 PM  

Looks like a group dedicated to manipulating the ratings.

Blogger SteelPalm January 04, 2016 11:08 PM  

@66

I actually have a copy of your review in my inbox. I will send it to you on Goodreads in the next few minutes.

As for Sean O'Hara's post, it was deliciously hilarious, illustrating both "SJWs always lie" (I never mentioned the word "conservative" anywhere, I only stated reviews violating Goodreads policy should be flagged, told people to rate honestly, etc.) and "SJWs always project". My goal in getting people to become Librarians and even Superlibrarians had nothing to with vandalism. He is completely clueless on what my eventual goals were.

Of course, he is not a strategic thinker, or else he would realize how stupid it is to brag about his actions. The amount of negative attention he is about to receive will make him regret what he has done before the week is through.

Anonymous A Reader January 04, 2016 11:10 PM  

As a goodreads member, my impression is that a lot of people there don't like critical discussion. They don't like their ideas challenged. For a lot of people there, goodreads is like comfort food for the mind.
For example, I challenged to a debate those who gave low ratings to a non fiction (and non political) book. No one accepted the challenge.

Blogger El Borak January 04, 2016 11:10 PM  

@83 flagged and reported. Come on people do your jobs.

Blogger Quintus Maximus January 04, 2016 11:11 PM  

@89 Same. Game on MFers.

Blogger Feather Blade January 04, 2016 11:13 PM  

@85 I think we can all guess what that might mean?

His greatest ambition is to become a Thai ladyboy, but he couldn't pay the cost upfront?

Blogger Derek Thornton January 04, 2016 11:15 PM  

Flagged

Blogger Skylark Thibedeau January 04, 2016 11:17 PM  

@85 Wrong Sean Ohara. Deleting

Blogger Rankmar January 04, 2016 11:18 PM  

Not sure GR SJWs thought this through. They didn't eliminate reviews, they simply made it difficult for them to identify "wrong" reviews, as if opinion is preordained.

You could have a lot of fun Onioning reviews with overtly false praise, e.g. "It was ultra-subversive how If You Were A Dinosaur, My Love dispensed with plot, characterization, and conflict. Not a single famous author had ever thought to do that, which makes this immensely groundbreaking. One problem was the Speculative Engineering would likely have made the T-Rex heterosexual, thus eliminating the need to lash out. He might have even called next game, although with those small arms it would be difficult to hold the pool cue..."



Blogger VFM6974 January 04, 2016 11:20 PM  

Flagged 8 reviews already, I suggest everyone else finds violating reviews and flag them accordingly. Lets try to find who is managing Gooreads and bring this blatant writer attack to their attention.

Blogger Aeoli Pera January 04, 2016 11:21 PM  

Amazon owns them.

Amazon owns us all. I bought my soul back, shipping was free so no complaints I guess.

Blogger El Borak January 04, 2016 11:26 PM  

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Blogger Skylark Thibedeau January 04, 2016 11:29 PM  

@91 You might know a bit too much!

Anonymous Rolf January 04, 2016 11:30 PM  

Well, isn't that interesting. I not only read banned books, it looks like I now write them :-)

Blogger Amaryllis January 04, 2016 11:32 PM  

@87 Vlad, would you happen to have a copy of my review as well? I think I sent it not long before everything went down, so I don't know if you even got it.

Be a PITA to have to write it all again, though at this point, I will if I have to.

Blogger Skylark Thibedeau January 04, 2016 11:32 PM  

@97 I flagged it too. I said Sean was trying to bring a Spam War to GR

Blogger Quintus Maximus January 04, 2016 11:33 PM  

@97 heh I just emailed vd with a similar suggestion, although I think it might should be something separate from GR so they can't nuke it again.

Blogger Cogitans Iuvenis January 04, 2016 11:33 PM  

So, you can have a group for discussion, but it can't act in concert.

And yet it does nothing from having the RPs coordinate their reviews elsewhere. I mean they really are stupid. Before, acting in the open, reviews by the RPs en mass wouldn't be quiet as effective as those who are SJW, or with SJW leanings, would simply disgregard.

Now the RPs, and I assume the VFM, are simply going to operate in the shadows and they will have that much harder time to distinguish the RPs from honest reviews by people who don't like the books, which will invariably lead to non-aligned individuals being harassed or purged with predictable results.

Blogger Quintus Maximus January 04, 2016 11:36 PM  

Would anyone be interested in creating a slack group or something of that nature? Ideas? I think something with realtime collab would be a good thing, and members added would need to be vouched for IMO by another group member.

Blogger VFM6974 January 04, 2016 11:41 PM  

@83 flagged and reported.

El Borak: Propose system to automate flagging, I'll follow

Blogger Mint January 04, 2016 11:42 PM  

I was having fun rating books, liking reviews, and when it's time to search more reviews by RP... it's gone. I have no group, I lost my folks, oh no...I am doomed.

Eh... at least the ratings we've done have reached the goal. Meanwhile rating and flagging are on as long the account up.

Anonymous Leonidas January 04, 2016 11:42 PM  

Since this has a potential direct material impact on Castalia House, isn't there grounds for a lawsuit?

Anonymous LR_VFM5411 January 04, 2016 11:42 PM  

Slack would be nice. Have to keep that team off my phone app though.

FWIW - Opsec is going to be an issue though.

But then, does everyone have to know everything?

Blogger Quintus Maximus January 04, 2016 11:45 PM  

I created a slack group, but I would rather have VD's blessing before moving forward, and I'd like to coordinate joins through him if possible.

Blogger VFM6974 January 04, 2016 11:46 PM  

@83 flagged and reported.

El Borak: Propose system to automate flagging, I'll follow

Blogger Jeff Hendricks January 04, 2016 11:46 PM  

Wow... Just wow. I mean, I knew GoodReads was messed up, but jeez. They have no problems with sexually explicit roleplay groups on the site, but banning groups that want to help stamp out comments that violate the TOS? Shameful!

Blogger Groot January 04, 2016 11:48 PM  

This seriously pisses me off. Vox, Vlad (the Impaler), don't laugh this off. Bring strategy, tactics, doxxing, the works, because this is motivating. Sean O'Hara delenda est. We will point our Hezekiah Garrett at them and pull the trigger, bitches.

(ง ͠° ͟ل͜ ͡°)ง︻デ┳═ー*-------*

Blogger VFM6974 January 04, 2016 11:48 PM  

@104 Quintus, El Borak, how about a #fakereview twitter hashtag?

Anonymous Leonidas January 04, 2016 11:50 PM  

...and it's only January 4th.

Blogger SciVo January 04, 2016 11:51 PM  

@ Guitar Man:

On my mobile, Hezekiah Garrett is replying to Hawk S. Rabidus. I know that doesn't show on the desktop version, which is why I always specify who I'm replying to.

Blogger SteelPalm January 04, 2016 11:51 PM  

Sean O'Hara boasted about complaining to Goodreads employee rivka, who is a known SJW within the organization, but there are many other publicly listed employees he could have appealed to.

We have still created a presence within Goodreads where there was none before, and it can still be wielded effectively. Additionally, we have smoked out an additional SJW foe, Sean O'Hare. Prudent of him not to put any personal information in his Goodreads author profile, but likely futile.

Blogger VFM6974 January 04, 2016 11:51 PM  

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Blogger Quintus Maximus January 04, 2016 11:53 PM  

@113 that's an easy start, I guess, but I REALLY think we need to take this discussion elsewhere. Eyes, and all.

OpenID Jack Amok January 04, 2016 11:55 PM  

Some author on Goodreads named Sean is about to have his books and blog posts heavily scrutinized.

His books, the ones he has "written" anyway, defy scrutiny. I can only assume he published them on a dare. Or a lost bet.

Blogger El Borak January 04, 2016 11:56 PM  

@113 That's sly, though I suspect the #DreadIlk tag might work as well and would help us avoid being spread thin.

e.g.
Hey, #DreadIlk, did you note that there's a fake review on GR and it's hurting innocent authors and GR's integrity? Since you're all vile and faceless anyway you might like to know...

Then the vile and faceless minions would do what they always do. Vilely and facelessly, of course.

Blogger Quintus Maximus January 04, 2016 11:58 PM  

#DreadIlk it is for now till we can find something with a bit more opsec.

Blogger VFM6974 January 04, 2016 11:59 PM  

@120 Aye using #DreadIlk

Blogger Bill January 05, 2016 12:02 AM  

https://www.goodreads.com/user/show/1-otis-chandler

Blogger El Borak January 05, 2016 12:02 AM  

And that, Quintus, is how it is done.

Anonymous Viper 23 January 05, 2016 12:03 AM  

Sean's blog
http://diogenes-sinope.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2011-05-17T08:12:00-07:00&m=0

Blogger SteelPalm January 05, 2016 12:05 AM  

@100

Yes, I do have your review! I will send it immediately after this message.

Blogger SciVo January 05, 2016 12:06 AM  

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Blogger Quintus Maximus January 05, 2016 12:06 AM  

@125 check the gplus profile.

Blogger VFM6974 January 05, 2016 12:09 AM  

Started

Blogger SciVo January 05, 2016 12:09 AM  

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Anonymous 334 January 05, 2016 12:12 AM  

Is there a way to take these sorts of discussions somewhere they won't be infiltrated? I recognize it might be difficult to do, but leaving the regular blog discussion intact while confining tactical debates to some kind of invitation-only subgroup seems like a better idea than batting around all these ideas where they will almost surely be seen and noted.

Anonymous Viidad January 05, 2016 12:13 AM  

@Rolf

Keep on fighting the good fight.

Blogger Quintus Maximus January 05, 2016 12:15 AM  

@131 that's the plan. Stay tuned.

Anonymous Rolf January 05, 2016 12:19 AM  

Ah, rats. Posted too soon. Just the Rabid Pups page, not all the Castalia House authors' books got ban-hammered. Bummer, it would have made for a cool blog post. Ah, well. It's still a strange little corner of the universe I inhabit; lots of interesting events.

Vox creates a group, I post a comment on Liz' "review" of my book pointing out that she hasn't read it, she posts somewhere that it is bad and she's afraid she'll see more and reports it (I should have just flagged it and explained privately, apparently, rather than actually posting the fact publicly), Vox posts it, it all goes ker-splat on the inter-tubes, and in a day and a half the group gets nuked. Wow. That was a fast skirmish, even for the internet.

Blogger Geir Balderson January 05, 2016 12:20 AM  

I fail to see how this 'Goodreads' place can have any validity and credibility if they censor and/or ban folks from their little club.
I thought these stinking assholes bowed and worshipped at the altar of 'Diversity'. And, all they ask for is a little tolerance. What a laughable organization. They must change their club to 'Approved Reads'. Joseph Goebbels is smiling from his little corner of hell. "...truth is the greatest enemy of the State."

Blogger VFM6974 January 05, 2016 12:23 AM  

@134 Rolf, that is the best case scenario

Blogger Danby January 05, 2016 12:25 AM  

FWIW, O'Hara lists his home as Charles Town WV and his alma mater as George Mason.

He's also an Atheist of the asshole style.

Blogger VFM6974 January 05, 2016 12:28 AM  

VFM, remember we are Vile faceless and Minions. Shadow Time.

Blogger SteelPalm January 05, 2016 12:28 AM  

@125

Excellent work. Apparently, Mr. Sean O'Hara attended George Mason University and lives in Charles Town, West Virginia. Here is his Facebook;

https://www.facebook.com/sean.ohara.1675

Blogger El Borak January 05, 2016 12:28 AM  

@131 Is there a way to take these sorts of discussions somewhere they won't be infiltrated?

Nope. You have to assume that in any conspiracy of three people, one is a fink. Even if you know each of them from Kindergarten. Don't you remember that scene from Red Dawn? There's always a Daryl.

So that said, what can you do?

1) Operate in the open as much as possible. Since all we are interested in is the integrity of the GR review system, what's the rub? All communication between us has that noble end in mind. And in word.

2) Write everything with the expectation that it WILL become public. I mean, why would SJWs be in favor of skinning puppies alive? How awful! Wait, they leaked that?

3) Tactics that demand secrecy demand secrecy. That's impossible with 400+ vile faceless minions. So be prepared to act on your own with a minimum of hints and mutters.

4) Read the 4GW handbook and realize you are a squad leader responsible for the actions of his men. If you've got a trusted cadre of agents, then go and Godspeed. But relinquish the idea that we are all going to act on exactly the same orders in exactly the same way. And relish the realization we don't have to.

We are the 4GW. Our primary mission is to make sure that things don't work as they ought and to win at the moral level while doing so. So go and do.

Anonymous 334 January 05, 2016 12:32 AM  

So be prepared to act on your own with a minimum of hints and mutters.

I hear you, believe me. But I see way too many hints and mutters.

Anonymous Viper 23 January 05, 2016 12:42 AM  

For those that follow the 4GW concept, I would like to recommend this book. You will not be disappointed.
http://www.amazon.com/Brave-New-War-Terrorism-Globalization-ebook/dp/B00H2VFGZ4/ref=sr_1_1?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1449978881&sr=1-1&keywords=brave+new+war

Blogger El Borak January 05, 2016 12:43 AM  

Check the #DreadIlk tag and do not let Quintus' labours be in vain.

Blogger Danby January 05, 2016 12:44 AM  

O'hara has a single upload to youtube, "Glee is for pedohiles"

< snicker >

Blogger Cecil Henry January 05, 2016 12:47 AM  

Wow. The boldness and short sightedness of these people.

What they profess to stand for is merely a convenient cover for their power and aggrandizement.

Its embarrassing to see their hypocrisy.

Blogger Were-Puppy January 05, 2016 12:47 AM  

@52 TheRedSkull
Clearly the solution to our nation's problems is to have Vox banned from the presidency.
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He'd obviously be rigging the vote, just like the Hugos and Goodreads!

Blogger Were-Puppy January 05, 2016 12:51 AM  

@63 Salt
File 770 already has Vox's purge from GR up.
--

Let the prancing and mincing commence :P
Bring out the weird giant blue haired sea creatures!
Distribute wooden assterisks!

Blogger Nick S January 05, 2016 12:52 AM  

I REALLY think we need to take this discussion elsewhere. Eyes, and all.

Screw 'em. They know it's coming, but it won't save them.

Anonymous Alec January 05, 2016 1:04 AM  

Fair enough. Account deleted.

Blogger Danby January 05, 2016 1:06 AM  

Based on his listed residences in Google+, he's a military brat; Ft Clayton, Berlin, Manassas, Stuttgart. Clayton closed in 2000. Unless he's over 35, there's no way he could have served there himself.

Blogger Were-Puppy January 05, 2016 1:07 AM  

@137 Danby

He's also an Atheist of the asshole style.
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Those particular bastards really get riled up during Christmas season.

Blogger Danby January 05, 2016 1:20 AM  

over 2000 books listed at GR. Good Lord, does this guy have a job?
Mostly trashy Japanese manga and, ... wait for it ..., porn. Seems to list a lot of S&M and bondage and les, but maybe that's just a bias in what's published in translation.

Blogger Quintus Maximus January 05, 2016 1:36 AM  

LOL 2 'Librarians' on GR that have completely 1 starred every book VD has written.

Blogger kh123 January 05, 2016 1:55 AM  

"Sean O'Hara...Atheist of the asshole style... George Mason University... WV..."

Another taig that couldn't channel that Gaelic hypertension into anything other than Beltway approved good reads. Stick it to mom, dad, trailer and papes, my son!

Anonymous Ain January 05, 2016 2:07 AM  

@39 "Like the Hugos, they want Goodreads to be a fun place for book fans.

When you try to wield these things as weapons, which is only possible through collective action, you change things from what they were originally envisoned to be. "


Not if it's all one-sided. They don't seem to be applying their rules evenly. Are they even real rules, or are they making up policy as they go?

Blogger bob k. mando January 05, 2016 2:18 AM  

if that ArmyStu clown ever comes back, i've got a reply for him back at the " How dare we hit THEM back?" thread.

Blogger Quintus Maximus January 05, 2016 2:22 AM  

@ain obviously a little bit of both. They're certainly not equally applying their own rules to themselves.

Blogger bob k. mando January 05, 2016 2:36 AM  

137. Danby January 05, 2016 12:25 AM
FWIW, O'Hara lists his home as Charles Town WV



hunh. i used to know somebody who lived in Charles Town. that's just west of Harper's Ferry. intersection of US340 and WV9. lot of people who live there commute to DC or the burbs.



140. El Borak January 05, 2016 12:28 AM
2) Write everything with the expectation that it WILL become public.



write all your reviews with the expectation that they will be deleted.

and, to the extent feasible, document all of your online activity wrt these sites.

remember, just as with this Sean asshole, they're going to lie about what you did, then ban / delete you.

and when you try to 'prove' your innocence, they'll just say that it was so bad that it violated their TOS and they had to delete it.

be prepared to refute their lies.

because you know that ...

SJWs always lie.

Blogger Raziel Walker January 05, 2016 2:58 AM  

Created a goodread account and flagged Sean O'Hara's Review of Riding the Red Horse. Shitty review that tells me absolutely nothing about the quality of the book.

Anonymous LurkingPuppy January 05, 2016 2:59 AM  

You are banned from using Goodreads in any capacity going forward.

Hmm. This urgently needs to be clarified— are They claiming that Vox is prohibited even from reading libels published against him on Goodreads?

I would sure like to see Amazon Legal's answer to that question.


@53: I was the group moderator under the name "Vlad" and they deleted my account and all 100+ reviews (most of them having nothing to do with SJW fiction) as well. As in Peter's case, they claimed I "attempted manipulation of our ratings".

They deleted your reviews!? Did they send you copies of your reviews first?

If not, I would also like to see Amazon Legal's response to a request for copies of the reviews which you spent considerable time writing for publication on Goodreads.

Blogger SteelPalm January 05, 2016 3:03 AM  

I re-read @69's link again. Thanks to File 770, it now has a respectable 1,500 views and likes by a number of people, including some well-known writers and members of Fandom.

Unlike Sean O'Hara, who is an "author" with one rating per book, many have books with hundreds, if not 1,000 ratings.

So there are some additional SJW who have made themselves known.

Blogger Danby January 05, 2016 3:13 AM  

Vox, I was unable to send my RP mail because gmail is refusing to deliver.

Blogger Achilles January 05, 2016 3:14 AM  

I'm not shocked but I am disgusted. I've used Goodreads for many years. It was a handy way to keep track of books. Guess I'll go back to using an Excel spreadsheet.

My Goodreads friendship with Vox lasted 36 hours. The SJWs will regret their actions far longer. My first step is buying some more Castalia books. Step two is a doozy. See you all in the trenches.

Blogger Danby January 05, 2016 3:27 AM  

BTW, the Sean O'Hara that moved to Thailand was a different guy. Our Sean has 4 works published on Amazon, 3 shorts stories and a novel,Hero Complex (My Dark and Fearsome Queen Book 1), about... occult goings-on in a high-school drama club. (DA DUHN!)
#1,767,148 Paid in Kindle Store
#1754 in Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual & Transgender eBooks > Science Fiction & Fantasy > Fantasy


Gentlemen, we have a quean.

Blogger sconzey January 05, 2016 3:30 AM  

Second this. I imagine that genuinely abusive throwaway accounts get permabanned reasonably often so there's little oversight. It's possible this was even a junior mod.

Escalate first to establish whether the whole anthill is rotten a la Tor.

Anonymous Wannabe VFM January 05, 2016 3:31 AM  

Notice the lack of the usual rabbit self congratulatory, smug explanation of why you broke some code of conduct or whatever. Means they're scared shitless that you're beating them with their own stick, and causing them distress that someone is commenting on the utter tripe they're calling "reviews".

Blogger Quintus Maximus January 05, 2016 3:31 AM  

Check out his profile on GR too.

Anonymous LurkingPuppy January 05, 2016 4:01 AM  

@30: Vox, do you think it's better to have "right wing" alternatives to sites like these, or just sites that aren't babies about banning disagreement?

I would have said the latter until recently, but now I'm not so sure.


For distributed systems, the former (see https://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/Papers/redblue.pdf if you want a long economic argument under the assumption that everyone is rational). That argument would also apply to a federated system in which the same client can connect to any of several servers using the same protocol. In other cases, you would have to consider the network effect.

Blogger SteelPalm January 05, 2016 4:16 AM  

@160 LurkingPuppy

Heh, I initially thought many of my reviews were lost forever (I had foolishly made back-ups for only part of them), but the spreadsheet they sent me had them, albeit horribly formatted, requiring significant editing work to be readable.

I have them all now, properly formatted and categorized within a folder, although it took me a solid 3 hours of work, which I just finished.

Again, it's a setback, but a far more minor one than they think. (Sean O'Hara's self-congratulations on "saving Goodreads" was really funny to read)

While I went to pains to follow every single rule, informing people to only rate books they had read, and do so honestly, I knew this was a distinct possibility. The speed obviously surprised me, as well as the fact that rivka had enough clout (or whoever he/she additionally appealed to) to delete a Goodreads author with a sizable following.

But everything I wrote in the group still applies. Read the screenshots Sean O'Hara of Charles Town, West Virginia so helpfully posted if you want a refresher.

Blogger JP January 05, 2016 4:17 AM  

Guys, remember to not mark their email messages as spam. that would be wrong m'kay. Because if enough GMail users did that, they would lose money. And that's bad.

Anonymous Aphelion January 05, 2016 5:00 AM  

Armed reconnaissance stopped and repelled. Only 36 hours. Perhaps next phase must be without a group? Or is Goodreads smart enough to recognize an effort with new accounts tied to new emails? As for me, I have a Goodreads account that is quite old and dormant. Once I have time, and orders, I'll have to use it judiciously.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit January 05, 2016 5:29 AM  

@125 Sean's blog

He's got a thing for young girls, hasn't he? Good job he moved to Thailand where his SFWA-approved practices are tolerated. He'd be skinned alive here.

@Dark Ninja Steve, do you have a pic? There are a few aspects of his appearance I'd like to confirm.

Looking at the Amazon author page, his whole bio is a complete fanatasy - although he probably believes it.

Mummy issues? Check
Daddy issues? Check
Pedophilia? Check

Just another SJW, nothing to see here.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit January 05, 2016 5:36 AM  

@139 https://www.facebook.com/sean.ohara.1675

What a surprise, he likes Star Trek.

Blogger Cinco January 05, 2016 5:39 AM  

The wise guerrilla tries to blend in to attack his adversary not form his own group within their databases. A tactical error on our part, not to be repeated.

Blogger VD January 05, 2016 5:52 AM  

Perhaps next phase must be without a group?

And it must be uncoordinated. Remember, they have no policy against rating books and writing reviews. They don't even have a policy about coordination, for that matter, but the SJWs are obviously very sensitive on that score.

Blogger VD January 05, 2016 5:54 AM  

A tactical error on our part, not to be repeated.

It wasn't a tactical error. We were fully aware of the possibility. That was simple recon. You need to keep in mind that I knew next to nothing about Goodreads. Now we know what we're dealing with.

Blogger James Dixon January 05, 2016 6:26 AM  

> Apparently, Mr. Sean O'Hara attended George Mason University and lives in Charles Town, West Virginia.

Can't even afford to live in Northern VA and has to associate himself with we heathens in WV, huh. I'm surprised he can look at himself in the mirror.

Vox, as an Amazon author, I think you should probably take this matter up with Amazon management. You clearly didn't break any Goodreads rules, and Amazon should be sensitive to the charge of censorship.

Blogger Ron January 05, 2016 7:24 AM  

What would a competitor to goodreads need to do in order to take the market from them?

Anonymous Shut up rabbit January 05, 2016 7:26 AM  

Maybe we could make a pack of cards featuring the brave, brave rabbits of the CHORF Central Command group. All 16 of them.

Blogger great_o'rety January 05, 2016 7:30 AM  

"Sincerely, The Goodreads Team". Sincerely, who?

Those collectivists! How they skirt around even a whiff of the heat of personal accountability.

Blogger Mastender January 05, 2016 7:54 AM  

>It wasn't a tactical error. We were fully aware of the possibility. That was simple recon. You need to keep in mind that I knew next to nothing about Goodreads. Now we know what we're dealing with.<

Usually convergent sites need at least the pretense of rule breaking when banning shitlords for bad think. The fact that you were kicked out with nary a condemnation of sin tells me the place is infested from top to bottom with SJWs.

Blogger dc.sunsets January 05, 2016 8:23 AM  

Amazon owns them.

My IT professional son tells me that Amazon's actual main business is cloud storage. If he's remotely correct, it could be that the corporation cares little enough about the book side to hand it to the Lunatic Left.

AMZN surely looks vulnerable to a catastrophic price collapse.

Anonymous Peregrinator January 05, 2016 8:41 AM  

The Godfather gets 1 star out of 5; Sailor Moon gets 4.

I would give The Godfather two stars myself, but let's be honest - it's a crappy book that was adapted into a great movie.

Blogger Christopher Yost January 05, 2016 9:42 AM  

Keerist, that was fast.

That Sean blog reads like a cheesy pulp villain. If I was younger I'd immediately think he/it was fake.

Anonymous Desiderius January 05, 2016 9:55 AM  

"Looking at the Amazon author page"

His author picture is a little boy. Arrested development.

Anonymous Ranger Mosby January 05, 2016 10:13 AM  

Achilles, and anyone else who was actually using Goodreads as a place to catalog books, LibraryThing is better anyhow. It provides access to more catalogs and I find its interface much easier to use.

Blogger Jack Ward January 05, 2016 10:38 AM  

@Danby
I just sent VD an email with RP as the subject and it did seem to go through. Be interesting to see if that really happened or if I get a delayed 'unable to connect' or some such.

Blogger HalibetLector January 05, 2016 10:50 AM  

My IT professional son tells me that Amazon's actual main business is cloud storage.

Amazon's main business is retail. I don't see them getting involved in goodreads unless it puts them at risk legally.

Blogger Were-Puppy January 05, 2016 11:02 AM  

@186 Ranger Mosby

Achilles, and anyone else who was actually using Goodreads as a place to catalog books, LibraryThing is better anyhow. It provides access to more catalogs and I find its interface much easier to use.
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I've always liked Library Thing too. Never even looked at Good Reads until the last couple of days.

Anonymous Frank B Luke January 05, 2016 11:06 AM  

@164 Gentlemen, we have a quean.

That means he outranks Ringo's Princess of Wands. I bet she could still take him, though.

Blogger James Dixon January 05, 2016 11:47 AM  

I'm reliably informed by the English major in the family that "we heathens in WV" should be "us heathens in WV". Consider me duly chastised and the post corrected. What can I say, I'm and engineering major.

Anonymous Daniel Webster January 05, 2016 1:28 PM  

@191 -- Your English major needs to give his/her diploma back. The correct pronoun is the subject pronoun "we" (as in "we are here") not "us" ("us are here" is not grammatical, as "us" is an OBJECT pronoun, not a SUBJECT pronoun.
We see the train, and according to us, it is just fine.

Anonymous Hezekiah Garrett January 05, 2016 2:12 PM  

@SciVo

I'll begin doing likewise forthwith.

(But I thought [caps lock] was yelling. I was merely asking a simple question.)

Anonymous Peter #0231 January 05, 2016 2:15 PM  

@164 Danby:

I see what you did there. :)

Blogger James Dixon January 05, 2016 6:57 PM  

> The correct pronoun is the subject pronoun "we" (as in "we are here") not "us" ("us are here" is not grammatical, as "us" is an OBJECT pronoun, not a SUBJECT pronoun.

The phrase is objective in this usage, Daniel, not subjective. Remove the "heathens in WV" section of the phrase, and you'll see that the us usage is correct.

Anonymous Occam's Lazer January 05, 2016 7:34 PM  

I pushed it once before but MeWe.com has great group features, solid OPSec, end to end encryption on all messages coming next month.

They're marketing is targeting teen girls or something right now so the homepage looks stupid but the platform is solid. I personally some of them.

Blogger Artisanal Toad January 05, 2016 9:22 PM  

Those wanting a truly private group for discussions between like-minded individuals might consider looking on SourceForge for "distributed city." For the VFM it might work out quite nicely because it really only needs about a dozen active members in order to work well. With hundreds it would be spectacular and it's immune to a DOS attack.

The only problem would be vetting the members before allowing them in.

Seemingly eons ago it was developed as part of the dream of anonymous internet commerce and privacy. Distributed City came out of the shambles of Laise Faire City and combined with the metropipe tunneler service and MailVault, an automatically PGP encrypted mail service. Later it was a large part of the online world that included J. Orlin Grabbe's Digital Monetary Trust (DMT). That, of course, was targeted by criminals using it to launder the proceeds of their fraud and courts ordered the seizure of funds from the banks holding them, effectively breaking the bank. I suspect bitcoin is an adequate replacement for the DMT.

During the years Distributed City was in operation it was quite nice. One book that came out of all that is "A Lodging Of Wayfaring Men" which I think many here would appreciate.

Blogger Artisanal Toad January 05, 2016 9:24 PM  

should have been "Laissez Faire City"

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