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Friday, January 29, 2016

The cons never stop

The amusing thing about McRapey is that he lies about himself even when there is no rational reason for him to do so:
So to sum up: I'm a Gryffindor, a Taurus, a Rooster and an INTP. AND, what the hell, Team Edward.
Translation: I want people to think of me as brave, strong, outspoken, and a fiercely independent thinker. Also, I get 50,000 READERS A DAY!

Now, which sounds more like Scalzi to you?

As an INFP, your primary mode of living is focused internally, where you deal with things according to how you feel about them, or how they fit into your personal value system. INFPs do not like conflict, and go to great lengths to avoid it. If they must face it, they will always approach it from the perspective of their feelings. In conflict situations, INFPs place little importance on who is right and who is wrong. They focus on the way that the conflict makes them feel, and indeed don't really care whether or not they're right. They don't want to feel badly. This trait sometimes makes them appear irrational and illogical in conflict situations.

INFPs are usually talented writers. They may be awkward and uncomfortable with expressing themselves verbally, but have a wonderful ability to define and express what they're feeling on paper. INFPs also appear frequently in social service professions, such as counselling or teaching. They are at their best in situations where they're working towards the public good, and in which they don't need to use hard logic. 

Versus this:

INTPs live in the world of theoretical possibilities. They see everything in terms of how it could be improved, or what it could be turned into. They live primarily inside their own minds, having the ability to analyze difficult problems, identify patterns, and come up with logical explanations. They seek clarity in everything, and are therefore driven to build knowledge. They are the "absent-minded professors", who highly value intelligence and the ability to apply logic to theories to find solutions. They typically are so strongly driven to turn problems into logical explanations, that they live much of their lives within their own heads, and may not place as much importance or value on the external world. Their natural drive to turn theories into concrete understanding may turn into a feeling of personal responsibility to solve theoretical problems, and help society move towards a higher understanding. 

The INTP has no understanding or value for decisions made on the basis of personal subjectivity or feelings. The INTP is usually very independent, unconventional, and original. They are not likely to place much value on traditional goals such as popularity and security. 

As for me, I have no need to lie about myself. Anyone who has read here for more than a week or two and is familiar with the Meyers-Briggs personality profiles can readily identify which category I fall into. 

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135 Comments:

Blogger Noah B January 29, 2016 12:12 PM  

Is McRapey lying about himself, or to himself?

Blogger Rabbi B January 29, 2016 12:13 PM  

I had Vox pegged as an INTJ. Goes to show what I know.

Blogger CM January 29, 2016 12:16 PM  

I'm an INT (J/P are even splits).

Explains why I like it here so much.

Blogger Ignatius P. Garnet January 29, 2016 12:17 PM  

If he's a Taurus, then he's also claiming to be prone to fat, as well as stubborn and somewhat prejudiced; while on the upside being fiercely loyal, protective of friends and family and the most passionate lover in the zodiac. Scorpios are the 'sexiest', but I suppose the Taurus' passion stems from the gratitude of an eater.

I'm a Taurus too. I share my birthday with a long line of disasters - Sigmund Freud, George Clooney, Tony Blair and the destruction of the Hindenburg. And Orson Welles...who was fat, indeed he was.

Blogger Salt January 29, 2016 12:19 PM  

Hesster56 ‏@hesster56 45m45 minutes ago

@scalzi A rooster and a Taurus, John? I don't buy this cock and bull story.


He doesn't know how right he is.

Blogger David-093 January 29, 2016 12:21 PM  

Scalzi's not a Gryffindor, he's a Slytherin that got expelled for trying the spell Rapeus Maximus on a female troll in one of the dungeons.

OpenID sigbouncer January 29, 2016 12:22 PM  

This kinda comes down to the age old saying.

Those that can, do. Those that can't, talk about it.

Blogger CM January 29, 2016 12:23 PM  

Is McRapey lying about himself, or to himself?

I'm going with the latter, though influenced by the former.

Considering how you get an MB type, he didn't answer honestly.

So... an INFP that values and wishes he was an INTP?

Scalzi wishes he were VD?

Blogger jay c January 29, 2016 12:23 PM  

The clumping of INTJs and INTPs is one of the obvious ironies of the Internet. Self-selection by opt-out.

Or else MBTI is totally bogus and 70% of the world's population really do test as INTj/p. I could believe either one.

Anonymous Bastion of Insanity January 29, 2016 12:25 PM  

Yeah, he's one of Dumbledore's special needs students for the weekly buggery class way upstairs.

Blogger Student in Blue January 29, 2016 12:31 PM  

Translation for the luddites:

"So to sum up, I'm a really smart, brave, and independent guy! *insert kitschy pop reference as a passing attempt as a joke, here*"

Anonymous Half savage January 29, 2016 12:31 PM  

'Hi everybody in the world! I'm a strong, outspoken, fiercely independent thinker... and I'm on "Team Edward". '

I just want to punch him in the nose. Not too hard. Just enough to make his eyes water and his snot run.

"Tweet that." I will say in hushed baritone as I light a robusto, his silent, gaping jaw sucking air.

Blogger James Dixon January 29, 2016 12:31 PM  

> I'm an INT (J/P are even splits).

I've tested as both at various times. But I'm usually slightly to the J side of the line.

Anonymous BGKB January 29, 2016 12:32 PM  

The clumping of INTJs and INTPs is one of the obvious ironies of the Internet. Self-selection by opt-out

Surivalist boards are crawling with INTJs, but walk around any crowd and you will realize their rarity.

Scalzi's not a Gryffindor, he's a Slytherin that got expelled for

Slyltherin was the competent ambitious with flexable morals house, Hufflepuff took the bottom of the barrel.

Blogger Hostem Populi January 29, 2016 12:33 PM  

@9 I'm skeptical of Meyers-Briggs myself, though I find it far more plausible than astrology, but I think selection bias is why everyone in this part of the Internet test out as the INTJ/P so often. Last time I checked I lean J over P, but the validity of self administered personality tests are a huge strike against Meyers-Briggs.

Blogger Achilles January 29, 2016 12:34 PM  

It's funny because I always get ENTJ. Maybe that's why I don't play well with others online. Darth Vader to all you Darth Sidious types.

And in the Harry Potter universe McRapey is definitely the loser ghost who spies on others in the toilet.

Blogger Hostem Populi January 29, 2016 12:34 PM  

It's the Current Year and Scalzi is still making Twatlight references?

Blogger James Dixon January 29, 2016 12:35 PM  

> So to sum up: I'm a Gryffindor, a Taurus, a Rooster and an INTP. AND, what the hell, Team Edward.

And, of course, true INT's, whether of the P or J variety, are Ravenclaw, not Gryffindor.

Blogger Jack Aubrey January 29, 2016 12:36 PM  

Gryffindor my ass. Huff-and-Puff is more like it.

Blogger David-093 January 29, 2016 12:39 PM  

@BGKB

No, Slytherins were the creepy weirdos. Hufflepuffs were fair and morally upright and friendly with everyone. In the books they are the least likely to be dishonest.

Blogger CM January 29, 2016 12:40 PM  

Jay c,

I went to re-read the description of the j/p type and the selection bias would be really easy to miss if you are close to center.

That one is more about how the world sees you (ordered or spontaneous). I try to be ordered, but appear spontaneous and unorganized, so I guess I'm more P. But answering those questions, I end up split.

Anonymous VFM #6306 January 29, 2016 12:41 PM  

It seems that Scalzi is saying in this tweet that he fully endorses the use of Science Fiction fandom as a rape room for children.

He's lying about everything but the Zodiac sign.

"Or perhaps in Slytherin,
You'll make your real friends,
Those cunning folk use any means,
To achieve their ends."

And he's totally team Bella.

Blogger Happy Housewife January 29, 2016 12:46 PM  

@Achilles

I was going to say that.

Scalzi IS Moaning Myrtle

Blogger Verne January 29, 2016 12:50 PM  

Seems I'm your extroverted friend. Why would anyone lie about these things? It is not as if one type has a superiority over the others. Some folk just cant be honest, they are always trying to manipulate the perceptions of others. Honestly is not a good trait, if manipulation is your goal.

Blogger Geir Balderson January 29, 2016 12:52 PM  

Ahhh, Taurus!! The Bull is strong in this one!!
Yeah, and the Rooster makes sense too! What a cock!
And, as for Gryffindor, not so much as he is too Draco slimy. Gryffindors are brave, courageous and handsome! He is none of those.

OpenID denektenorsk January 29, 2016 12:53 PM  

Perhaps if Dear John spent less time on Twitter and more time on his writing Tor wouldn't have to announce that his books are being delayed.

Perhaps that's too INTJ of me...

Blogger Phelps January 29, 2016 12:54 PM  

He might authentically be a mentally ill iNTp. When an iNTp's mind snaps, they flip over to their shadow -- eSfJ. From the Portrait:
As an ESFJ, your primary mode of living is focused externally, where you deal with things according to how you feel about them, or how they fit in with your personal value system. Your secondary mode is internal, where you take things in via your five senses in a literal, concrete fashion.

So, there is a chance that he's an iNTp... and batshit fucking insane.

Blogger Dexter January 29, 2016 12:55 PM  

'Hi everybody in the world! I'm a strong, outspoken, fiercely independent thinker... and I'm on "Team Edward". '

I just want to punch him in the nose. Not too hard. Just enough to make his eyes water and his snot run.


You don't need to be a Sicilian master of the pantomime to know McRapey's lying.

Blogger dh January 29, 2016 12:56 PM  

He's really gone off the deep end. Hopefully it won't affect his writing.

Blogger John Wright January 29, 2016 12:56 PM  

I propose a new psychological test based on which race of satirical characters from GULLIVER'S TRAVELS one might be:
Lilliputian -- petty and vicious
Brobdingnagian -- magnanimous but contemptuous of mankind
Laputan -- clumsy, dazed and impractical intellectual, fearful of comets and other unreal problems, often cuckolded
Balnibarbi -- even more impractical intellectuals, wasteful, fussy, perhaps insane, but always frantic to follow the latest fad or fashion
Luggnagg -- Respects the past, listens to the wisdom of honored dead
Struldbrugs-- Typical Leftist: seeks an earthly eternity or utopia, but lives in misery
Japanese -- Tramples the cross
Houyhnhnm -- logical, remorselessly rational
Yahoo -- poop-flinging brute
Englishmen -- all of the above, but worse and not as funny

The test is that you place yourself on the island where you think you best fit, and then your friends secretly vote and say where you actually fit.

Anonymous kfg January 29, 2016 12:57 PM  

" . . . he lies about himself even when there is no rational reason for him to do so . . ."

The first time I encountered this behaviour it really threw me for a loop. I couldn't make any sense of it all, especially when the lies only hurt the liar. With exposure I've learned not to try to make sense of it. Crazies gonna craze.

The interesting part, in context, is where I got that exposure:

Cluster B women.

Blogger pyrrhus January 29, 2016 1:04 PM  

I vote for malignant Narcissist, not sure where that fits on the Meyers-Briggs...

Blogger pyrrhus January 29, 2016 1:06 PM  

@30 Classic! I'm going to steal this, Mr. Wright....

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 29, 2016 1:08 PM  

Never bothered with MBTI before.I just took the test, it classed me as INTP, for whatever that's worth. Introverted, certainly, but the rest don't seem like valid distinctions to me.

So, this test is based on the work of Jung, and pole accept it as valid? Do they build orgone collector boxes too?

Anonymous Broken Arrow January 29, 2016 1:09 PM  

@26 and @29 The two books coming out in 2017 have to be NYT best sellers too.

Blogger pyrrhus January 29, 2016 1:11 PM  

@12 'Hi everybody in the world! I'm a strong, outspoken, fiercely independent thinker... and I'm on "Team Edward". '

I just want to punch him in the nose. Not too hard. Just enough to make his eyes water and his snot run.

As Mike Tyson said, "Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth."

Blogger VD January 29, 2016 1:12 PM  

The two books coming out in 2017 have to be NYT best sellers too.

Oh, they will be. For one week.

Anonymous Ezekiel Cassandros January 29, 2016 1:14 PM  

Huh. I used to be I/ENFP. Now, I got INTJ.

Personalities change; I blame VP, AG, and Gorilla Mindset.

Anonymous Rowling Over In My Grave January 29, 2016 1:15 PM  

I have always questioned Hermione Granger's membership in Gryffindor -- she really was a Ravenclaw. (We'll overlook Neville Longbottom, too-- he had Hufflepuff written ALL OVER him.)
But we know that the Sorting Hat (tm) took into account the preference of the child for a certain house; whether or not the child was actually suited for that house was perhaps not factored into the algorithm.
Thus, Scalzi can truly say he is Gryffindor because he REALLY WANTS to be one, not because he truly fit the characteristics / stereotypes of that house.
..
On the other hand, the train to Hogwarts is just fine...
..
Yeah, I know the sorting hat thing makes no sense, which is part of why I don't think Rowling is all that good of a writer even though she is the 2nd richest woman in England thanks to her 7 books.
Hmm...that sounds like Scalzi, too! (I mean the not-so-great-but-push-the-buttons-formula-popular-writer thing, not the wealth. Scalzi may not be the 2nd richest woman in England, but he's got a nice lawn in the Dayton Ohio area!)

Anonymous Instasetting January 29, 2016 1:19 PM  

INTP, but close to INSP
Omega--The Emperor is naked, and so is everyone else.
Midwit
Bookworm
Nationalist
Jacksonian
Fundamentalist
YEC
Idea Fountain
Gen X
Red Piller
Author
Descendant of Vikings
Conservative

As to Scalzi's areas...
1. Astrological is....not sure.
2. Hufflepuff
3. INT/SP
4. Team Myers....Twilight was decently written, but face facts, it was not written for the guys on this website. You are going to hate it, just like a teenage girl would hate a C++ manual.

But, examine the story. Bella stays a virgin, gets married, is rewarded by Hawt Guy, Immortality, Really Awesome Sex, a baby, and a lot of very powerful friends who change the world for the better by forcing the corrupt old vampires to back off. The End.

Anonymous polyhedron January 29, 2016 1:23 PM  

That's the trouble with self-assessment: not all types can be relied upon to self-test accurately. INTP (similarly, cerebrotonic) is a flattering type for would-be intellectuals.

Anonymous Fred January 29, 2016 1:25 PM  

I seen / run these MBTI polls on a couple of boards similar to this one - survivalists, gold forums etc - alt-right boards.

As noted above the vast majority of posters are INTJ's with INTP's coming in second. Self-selection.

Vox is most definitely a intJ - P's are people open to all the possibilities of life with very little judgment involved.

Don't like our viewpoint ? As an INTP, Ask me how little I care.

INTJ's on the other hand LOL .... they will SHRED you with their logic - sound like anyone we know ?



Blogger BassmanCO January 29, 2016 1:26 PM  

@40

I read (audiobook) the first Twilight book (more out of curiosity as a writer than actual interest). I still want that eleven hours of my life back. One of the most repetitive, boring and stupid books I have ever finished. I kept thinking, "This has to get better. There has to be a reason this is so popular." I think the Oatmeal actually nailed the reason why it is so successful.

And I'm not trying to bag on Myers. She wrote a book that people loved and she made millions. Good for her. Nothing against someone else being successful. But that tripe was hardly well-written.

Blogger Ingot9455 January 29, 2016 1:29 PM  

I don't know what Internet survey people are taking, but go to the original Keirsey Temperament Survry for best results. INTJ dhould be 2% of the population. There are people who have never met an INTJ.

Blogger YIH January 29, 2016 1:30 PM  

Is McRapey lying about himself, or to himself? Yes.

Blogger RobertT January 29, 2016 1:31 PM  

ESTP-A
Can't argue.
http://www.16personalities.com/estp-strengths-and-weaknesses

Anonymous Fred January 29, 2016 1:37 PM  

@44

They are 2 percent ... of the REGULAR normal population.

They are the majority in places like this.

That's why places like this can overestimate how much impact our thought processes have IRL.

It's only when things start ot get really bad, that the 'Normies' ifnally figure out that what we have been saying all along is actually TRUE.

Hence the rise of The Regeneracy and the new Fourth Turning Grey Champion, Trump.

(And also why Vox and Cernovich et al are being listened to).

Thing get bad enough, your low-IQers finally start flailing around for some alternative thoughts.

Thus, things are now changing.

Blogger Durandel Almiras January 29, 2016 1:41 PM  

I've taken the official MBPI four times now as a test dummy for some of friends in psych programs. INTP with I/E always near 50/50 and P/J near 50/50.

Not surprised most of us here are INTP/J's. I like most of you.

S' and F's are insufferable twats. No way is Scalzi an INTP.

And as someone said above, it would seem Scalzi wishes he was Vox.

Blogger S1AL January 29, 2016 1:42 PM  

Want to upset a feminist? Point out the t/f discrepancies between the sexes.

OpenID paworldandtimes January 29, 2016 1:42 PM  

What keeps an INFP from being a lib?

A higher-than-midwit IQ and a low disgust threshold.

PA

Blogger VD January 29, 2016 1:45 PM  

And as someone said above, it would seem Scalzi wishes he was Vox.

Why do you think he has been attacking me for 11 years now? My mere existence makes him feel bad. It's going to get pretty damned amusing this summer, I suspect.

Anonymous Dumb Swede January 29, 2016 1:46 PM  

My navel is highly entertaining.

Blogger BassmanCO January 29, 2016 1:46 PM  

@48

ISTJ. I guess that is why I'm such a pedantic pain in the ass (although I have learned to control it most days).

Blogger James Dixon January 29, 2016 1:56 PM  

> It's going to get pretty damned amusing this summer, I suspect.

I hope I have a front row seat. :)

Blogger LP999 S.I.G. Burnin' Up Gold, Cooling Under Snow January 29, 2016 2:04 PM  

And the problem is how some genxers are too introspective into their feelings. If the conmanjohn would stop feeling so much he'd understand that Vox is right on ALOT OF issues. But when ran by feelings its shifting sands forever.

Where is the empathy of a feeler if the feeler's countenance can go from warm and loving to cold and dismissive? In an instant? Such a change in an instance is a contradiction or part of the human experience of feeling, paradoxes, feeling two things at once while appearing to be too uncertain to trust.

Many here are of a closer mind of less feelings but more of ones' yes are yes and non-no's are no.

Blogger SciVo January 29, 2016 2:07 PM  

Rabbi B @2: I had Vox pegged as an INTJ.

And I believe you are correct.

Goes to show what I know.

"Which category" is a reference to "the Meyers-Briggs personality profiles," not just those two.

Anonymous Wicked Warlock of the West January 29, 2016 2:07 PM  

Speaking of Scalzi...he has a post up regarding the Hugo nomination process...and just happens to link to two sites putting together slates...er, lists...of eligible works:

The Wiki
The Spreadsheet

If I were my sister, I would probably admonish my flying, vile, faceless, monkey minions to "Now fly! Fly!" over to these places.

Blogger LP999 S.I.G. Burnin' Up Gold, Cooling Under Snow January 29, 2016 2:11 PM  

I didn't think I'd change much but its a mix of ISTJ and INTJ. At times my harsh judgements and tone are utterly stupid meaningless anger.

I have to apply rules to myself here often before I go into matters that are now ruled not appropriate and rightfully so for Vox's blog. The matters I refer to are listed in the rules of the blog. All I had to do was listen to sage advice; think less, forget the stupid past and move forward with zest n' shine.

"4. This is not a democracy. Commenting here is a privilege, not a right. If you are instructed not to comment here, for whatever reason, then please go share your unique gems of wisdom somewhere else. There are thousands of blogs out there and perhaps some will value them; we clearly don't. So, just go away, this isn't an appropriate venue for you to work out your personal issues for our entertainment."

Anonymous BGKB January 29, 2016 2:12 PM  

is all that good of a writer even though she is the 2nd richest woman in England thanks to her 7 books

She was sued because the first book was just like a previous one even with similar names. The group of the orphan, the poor boy & the Mary Sue are in a lot of English children's stories. Most of her readers never heard of the philosopher's stone before her.

INTJ dhould be 2% of the population. There are people who have never met an INTJ.

On sites of people preparing for the Nigapocalypse they can be a majority. Do you think there are more than 1 out of 50 people that have 3 months or more of food/supplies outside of LDS territory? INTJ/P also only exists above a minimum IQ threshold, so they are even less likely in populations with average IQs of 90 or less.

And as someone said above, it would seem Scalzi wishes he was Vox.

Vox should put a pair of his old boots on Ebay for $1000+ and see if Scalzi buys them.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr January 29, 2016 2:13 PM  

INTP in a formal test. But the P is weak, I can do INTJ well.

Not that it matters. As Vox has pointed out, once you get to the highest levels of performance, individual talent and personality takes primacy. You're dealing with Great Men, not the Huddling Masses.

Blogger Jack Ward January 29, 2016 2:17 PM  

@51 Unlike most here in Alabama I enjoy the cool/cold weather. But, with this tease by VD I'm wishing on the the summer. Can't come too soon.

Blogger SciVo January 29, 2016 2:19 PM  

polyhedron @41: That's the trouble with self-assessment: not all types can be relied upon to self-test accurately.

Yes, and I have long believed that INFPs are likely to test differently depending on how they feel at the time -- and that could change from question to question, depending on how they feel about some incident that the question reminded them of.

Blogger buwaya January 29, 2016 2:21 PM  

I'm also a Taurus, prone to fat and to stubborn prejudice. So that part of the horoscope works pretty well.
ISTP, and an engineer - check, that Myers-Briggs works too, except when it doesn't.
Not a lot of engineers here?
I think my daughter said I was a Slytherin, but she may have been having me on. Or maybe not.
I appreciate the element of personal vendetta vs Scalzi, its a perfectly understandable matter in that way. Still, as a political project it doesn't seem very productive. He seems a trivial person, all things considered. Just another minor author in a crowded field.
Japanese -- Tramples the cross - This is utterly true, Swift included a genuine bit in all his whimsy. Under the Tokugawa regime Christians were persecuted in Japan, and trampling the cross or other Catholic images (the Virgin mainly) was standard procedure in identifying secret Christians. The authorities even made custom image-boards for trampling-tests.

Blogger VD January 29, 2016 2:28 PM  

as a political project it doesn't seem very productive.

Ironic, considering that from a productivity standpoint, the only things that have been a bigger waste of my time than writing the 15,189 posts on this blog are a) sleeping, b) the gym, and c) playing soccer.

Hell, even the time I spend writing books is a relative waste of time. My time would be much more productively spent doing research for my game designs, which is to say, playing games.

Blogger LP999 S.I.G. Burnin' Up Gold, Cooling Under Snow January 29, 2016 2:32 PM  

JohnCon doesn't have the honesty or honor of the host here. Vox has a history of being trustworthy with a twist of the AWCA fun.

JOhncons career has summer meaning?

Blogger Zach January 29, 2016 2:34 PM  

You've got to dig through the functional stack to really classify properly with any of the MBTI stuff. I think Jung was on the right track, largely, and I think there's some value in the classification. Anyone who thinks they're an INTP should probably read through this:

http://personalityjunkie.com/the-intp/

And Dr. Drenth has a whole darn book on just that one type (as an INTP myself, I found it pretty insightful). I have no idea what Chumpy McRaples would really come down as, but INTP seems dubious because of the Introverted Thinking dominant function; you get a kind of cautious, questioning rationality. An INFP, on the other hand, has Introverted Feeling as the dominant function, which makes a LOT more sense for Scalzi. Worth exploring deeper. I think the Superversive blog had some posts on this a while ago; I should link them over.

Blogger Zach January 29, 2016 2:38 PM  

Here are the Superversive posts. Good reading, I thought:

http://superversivesf.com/2015/09/10/superversive-blog-wherefore-art-thou-culture-war/

http://superversivesf.com/2015/09/23/superversive-blog-the-sf-culture-war-posts-part-two/

http://superversivesf.com/2015/10/09/superversive-blog-if-you-had-introverted-intuition-my-dinosaur/

Anonymous Special Little Flower January 29, 2016 2:41 PM  

There's "only" about 150 million of us ... curious how everyone wants to gravitate to the "rare" type.

It is sad as everyone is a special little flower even if they don't know it.

I've tested INTJ for over the last 2+ decades ... on about 4 separate occasions.

The difference for me is that I know I'm a special little flower in a sea of special little flowers and you sure as shoot don't need Meyers-Briggs to be "special" ... except for a participation trophy! ;-)

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer January 29, 2016 2:52 PM  

Meyers-Briggs is pseudo-scientific nonsense anyway.

Blogger Cataline Sergius January 29, 2016 2:54 PM  

So to sum up: I'm a Gryffindor,

All hail King Voldamort the Eternal in that case. Hoo-ray for E-V-I-L!!! Because good is fucked!


a Taurus,

(*sigh*) There is no Taurus the Steer, John. We've been over this before.

a Rooster and


(*sigh, again*) Look John I made a serious mistake when I called you, 'a cock'. You took it in entirely...entirely the wrong way and I wish to the Glorb I could take it back.

INTP.

I. Could. Not. Care. Less.

AND, what the hell, Team Edward.

Oh fer fuck's sake John! We all know you are Team Bella! You make that clear every time you log into GDFing Twitter!!!

Blogger Cecil Henry January 29, 2016 2:55 PM  

I'm an INTJ too, apparently. Never thought much about it with respect to this site or many others.

But it's not all bad.

I like ponies too.

Blogger buwaya January 29, 2016 2:56 PM  

"My time would be much more productively spent doing research for my game designs, which is to say, playing games."

Being an old coot, I have some difficulty with this point, but no doubt you know your business best.

Blogger David of One January 29, 2016 2:56 PM  

69. Ron Winkleheimer

Really very true. Nearly everyone likes the very complex reduced to answering a couple of questions throwing some dice, shake a couple of voodoo dolls and put underware over head and see what "the computer" says.

Blogger buwaya January 29, 2016 3:01 PM  

"everyone is a special little flower"

"Life of Brian" - most brilliant moment
Brian: Look, you've got it all wrong! You don't need to follow me. You don't need to follow anybody! You've got to think for yourselves! You're all individuals!
Crowd: [in unison] Yes! We're all individuals!
Brian: You're all different!
Crowd: [in unison] Yes, we are all different!
Man in crowd: I'm not...
Crowd: Shhh!

I always wanted to be that man...

Blogger Rabbi B January 29, 2016 3:13 PM  

"Meyers-Briggs is pseudo-scientific nonsense anyway."

It's meant to be a measure of how comfortable we are with certain tendencies. For example, introvert doesn't mean you're holed up in your basement and always staring at your shoes when interacting with others in public. It just means that you prefer to be alone and you get your 'batteries charged' or 'energized' while alone or more on your own, rather than interacting with people. Extroverts get enrgized moreso by the social interaction and working with people.

It doesn't mean an introvert never acts like an extrovert and vice versa. Yeah, it's not hard science, but in my experience it measures our preferences pretty darn well. I have taken the test multiple times over 20 years, and it pegs me pretty well. (Even my wife agrees).

The self-bias element is probably the greatest weakness in the test. The premium versions try to minimize the self-bias and avoid the more binary/multiple choice-type questions.

Blogger Ben Cohen January 29, 2016 3:15 PM  

Over thinking everything. Opposite of a child that is carefree.

Blogger S1AL January 29, 2016 3:23 PM  

Heh. The MBTI has value as a general baseline and barometer. As do the Hippocratic humors/temperaments. It's a useful tool, nothing more.

Blogger allyn71 January 29, 2016 3:32 PM  

Not sure why but I had never heard of this personality typing before today. Took a cheesy sample test and came out INTP. When I read a little more into what that meant it was like seeing my whole life laid bare. Truly fascinating exercise.

As far as McRapey, he is lying from the get go. He is in no way an introvert, if that was the case he wouldn't be running around begging for Vox's approval. Hell his whole life is about approval. Besides being a sicko wackjob, that is not the characteristics of an introvert.

Blogger David of One January 29, 2016 3:48 PM  

I'm a O70-C25-E22-A79-N43 Big Five!!

Blogger David of One January 29, 2016 3:51 PM  

74. buwaya

;-)

Blogger Desiderius January 29, 2016 4:03 PM  

Many of us are naturally IP's whose Ns tell us the times demand more EJ.

Vox is leading the charge.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 29, 2016 4:31 PM  

When I read a little more into what that meant it was like seeing my whole life laid bare. Truly fascinating exercise.

My sister said the same thing about her fortune teller.

Blogger The Gray Man January 29, 2016 4:43 PM  

I always get INTJ or INTP. I usually get INTJ with the J over P really close (51 or 50 percent)

I'm not really sure what it all means for personalities. I'm not even sure the test I've been taking over the past 10 years from time to time is correct. I try to be honest with it.

Do Internet nerds WANT to see themselves as INTJs? Is there a reason for this?

Anonymous Steve, the Sufferable Twat January 29, 2016 4:44 PM  

S' and F's are insufferable twats.

I've tried a few of these tests over the years and they score me as either ESTJ or ISTJ.

I prefer to be described as an insufferable dick though.

Blogger The Gray Man January 29, 2016 4:45 PM  

Reading the link posted above (http://personalityjunkie.com/the-intp/) that definitely sounds like Vox.

Sigma + INTP.

Blogger Aeoli Pera January 29, 2016 4:54 PM  

Discard Jung at your own peril. Distilling Goethe was a daunting task.

OpenID paworldandtimes January 29, 2016 4:57 PM  

Internet nerds want to be seen as INTJ
Internet SJWs want to be seen as INFP
Internet PUAs want to be seen as ENFP
Internet tough guys want to be seen as ESTJ

PA

Blogger The Gray Man January 29, 2016 4:57 PM  

After reading the INTJ I see aspects of myself in the description but I'm just not really sure that's me. I'm not a Steven Hawking, that's for sure. Maybe that's why nerds love to see themselves as INTJ.

Blogger allyn71 January 29, 2016 4:58 PM  

@82 Your sister didn't mention she had a fortune teller last night, guess she was distracted.

Anonymous Stone Cold Steve January 29, 2016 5:01 PM  

Internet tough guys want to be seen as ESTJ

Say that to my face, pussy.

Blogger Nate January 29, 2016 5:04 PM  

@64 This is grossly false. Without those posts you would not have nearly 500 minions. The avenues of production opened up by those blog posts are likely some of the best force multipliers your time has ever produced. 1 man alone can never accomplish what 600... 6000... or 60,000 can.

The blog is not the greatest professional thing you have done.

But it may well be the engine that gets you to the greatest thing you ever do professionally.

Even greater than beating Prince.

Blogger John Wright January 29, 2016 5:08 PM  

@33 What's mine is yours. I always thought that comedians and satyrists had a clearer insight into human nature than any psychiatrist and for this reason:

If the satirist correctly pegs what is wrong in human life, everyone hearing laughs.

And, boy, did Jonathon Swift ever have us Yahoos pegged. The only people who cannot understand Swift are the English majors who study him, and cannot see themselves as the target of his sly and stabbing wit.

Blogger John Wright January 29, 2016 5:15 PM  

@74
"Life of Brian" - most brilliant moment
Brian: Look, you've got it all wrong! You don't need to follow me. You don't need to follow anybody! You've got to think for yourselves! You're all individuals!
Crowd: [in unison] Yes! We're all individuals!
Brian: You're all different!
Crowd: [in unison] Yes, we are all different!
Man in crowd: I'm not...
Crowd: Shhh!

I always wanted to be that man...

***

Everyone feels the same way. We all want to be that man.

When I was young, I was a nonconformist, in exactly the same way and in exactly lockstep with everyone else I knew. We were all nonconformists together.

Anonymous Big Steve, The Hardest Man in Manchester January 29, 2016 5:15 PM  

John Wright - Englishmen -- all of the above, but worse and not as funny

We give you Piers Morgan and THIS is how you repay us?

Ungrateful colonials.

Blogger Durandel Almiras January 29, 2016 5:18 PM  

Steve - it's really the F's more so than the S's...but S+F in my experience were always the worse of the bunch.

Sensing can be useful when paired with Thinking. Paired with Feeling, the trend is a strong solipsism

Blogger Ian Miguel Martin January 29, 2016 5:25 PM  

I was classified INTJ when professionally tested during my freshman orientation, long before I'd ever heard of the MBTI. I disliked taking the test, but I was duly impressed at how it correctly identified my dominant function as intuition rather than thinking. And besides, the description was flattering.

In a class of 50 or so liberal arts majors who took the test there were only two INTJs. I may be even more unusual in that I am a bona fide NAM, and I don't have a high I.Q.

Anonymous Steve, the Sensitive Man January 29, 2016 5:26 PM  

Durandel - I hate feelings.

Big soppy milky vaginal feeee-lings, whoooaaa-feelings.

I understand that women have them, and that's cool. It's part of their female mysteriousness. But I can't abide men getting pouty because I called them a cunt or whatever in the workplace.

The only feelings that men who aren't Morrissey need are:

* Angry
* Happy
* Hungry
* Sexytime

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 29, 2016 5:38 PM  

@89 allyn71
Your sister didn't mention she had a fortune teller last night, guess she was distracted.
If you knew my sister...oh, wait, you probably have.

@94 Big Steve, The Hardest Man in Manchester
John Wright - Englishmen -- all of the above, but worse and not as funny.
We give you Piers Morgan and THIS is how you repay us? Ungrateful colonials.


Hey, we sent him back, post paid!.
Thanks for Clarkson though.

Blogger SciVo January 29, 2016 5:52 PM  

Desiderius @81: Many of us are naturally IP's whose Ns tell us the times demand more EJ.

So true. Reading Scott Adams's book now, Gorilla Mindset next, several others in line.

Blogger SciVo January 29, 2016 6:06 PM  

PA @50: What keeps an INFP from being a lib?

A higher-than-midwit IQ and a low disgust threshold.


That actually makes sense. What if you replace the low disgust threshold with an honor culture? I think the latter would suffice, although there would be some overlap with disgust at the oathbreaking and sloth.

Blogger SciVo January 29, 2016 6:16 PM  

buwaya @63: Not a lot of engineers here?

I'm sure there are plenty. Between my education and my work history, I hit every letter of STEM.

Blogger Edward Isaacs January 29, 2016 6:16 PM  

In ninth grade I tested as an INTP. Somehow since then I turned the T into an F.

Blogger Young Heaving Bosoms of Liberty January 29, 2016 6:25 PM  

If I'm talking with my fingers, INTP. If I'm talking with my mouth, ENFP.

I think of them as my Dutch and Anglo personas, respectively.

Anonymous GreyS January 29, 2016 6:35 PM  

The INTP has no understanding or value for decisions made on the basis of personal subjectivity or feelings. The INTP is usually very independent, unconventional, and original. They are not likely to place much value on traditional goals such as popularity and security.

I don't know much about the tests and types, but whatever Scalzi is-- it ain't that one. His claim to fame is a ripoff--errrr-- homage to a famous, earlier author. Heck, the very reason he can't start or finish or have confidence in his next book is because he built his audience through his blog and twitter and is afraid to let it go enough to actually sit down and JUST WRITE.

Pretty clear that Scalzi craves popularity and acceptance and uses what he gains in that regard to sell books. Some other authors turn all that stuff off while they work their butts off on a story they HAVE to get out of themselves-- out of their heads.

There are all sorts of procrastinators. There are all sorts of procrastinating authors.
Scalzi is the kind where he has essentially trapped himself. He doesn't have the confidence that his fans will still be there if he turns it all off long enough to produce a good book-- so he doesn't turn it off and consequently cannot give the time and effort to produce that good book. Ends up in a self-defeating circle.

Biggest problem? Despite all the posturing--- No Confidence.

Blogger Sam Lively January 29, 2016 6:37 PM  

No ENTPs?

You'd think Vox would attract more of us: one of the best antidotes to boredom on the web.

Anonymous FriarBob January 29, 2016 7:00 PM  

@Sam

I'm pretty close to that... ENTJ but some strong P tendencies...

I bet there are a few others who just didn't bother to take the test, tho. And/or or "could not care less" like Cataline...

Blogger SQT January 29, 2016 7:06 PM  

I was tested through my husband's job years ago (they offered some pretty sophisticated tests for all employees and spouses) and came back INTJ- which seems pretty accurate. No freaking way is Scalzi an INTP. I don't believe it for a second.

Blogger buwaya January 29, 2016 7:09 PM  

At the risk of destroying the funny by analyzing humor -
That bit of "Brian" satirizes just that "We were all nonconformists together". The only genuine non-conformist was that fellow, because he subverted non-conformism. The illogic is wonderful.

Anonymous BoysMom January 29, 2016 7:17 PM  

Didn't we determine the last time a Meyers-Briggs thread came up that all fifteen female INTJs in the world comment here?

All the Es and Fs are on facebook emoting over cat gifs.

Blogger tz January 29, 2016 8:08 PM  

He is a fowl Otherkin who drives a Ford Sedan?

Anonymous Spartacus xxxxx January 29, 2016 8:11 PM  

@104. GreyS

I don't know much about the tests and types, but whatever Scalzi is-- it ain't that one... Heck, the very reason he can't start or finish or have confidence in his next book is because he built his audience through his blog and twitter and is afraid to let it go enough to actually sit down and JUST WRITE.

Maybe, or maybe that is one aspect of a deeper cause. Isn't it interesting that both McRapey and RapeRape have had writer's block for the past year or so? What else transpired during that same year, Hugo?

Maybe there is something in the aether now, or maybe just around the internet, that can cause dishonest-writer's block, among other things.

Blogger Mastermind January 29, 2016 8:46 PM  

I'm an INTP and Scalzi is obviously not one. He wants to be one as part of his secret king delusion as an INTP is what he imagines to be the perfect personality type for two reasons: INTPs (along with INTJs, but INTJs are problematic because they remind him too much of smarter confident people who got better grades than he did) are the purest "intellectual" personality type and are also otherwise inoffensive to him as INTPs tend not to bother other people which suits his cowardly personality just fine. A lot of liberals fetishize intellect and believe you are subhuman if you are not smart enough which forces many mediocre minds like Scalzi's to overcompensate.

Unfortunately for Scalzi, even if he was an INTP he still wouldn't become an actual king. Being an intellectual with a limited IQ is like being a basketball player with no hands. Scalzi should stick to what he is since it doesn't require that much brainpower and he'll be happier where he is.

INTPs also live too much in their heads, which is a horrible trait if you aspire to be a king of any sort. I'm not old but when I look back on my life I am genuinely horrified by the realization that I have not only not achieved much but I can't even account for what I was doing most of the time. In all likelihood if Scalzi was an INTP he would have produced half the number of mediocre books he did and spent so much time daydreaming that he wouldn't have formed the social networks necessary for him to peddle them. He really should thank his lucky stars his personality fits his attributes.

Blogger LP999 S.I.G. Burnin' Up Gold, Cooling Under Snow January 29, 2016 9:54 PM  

112 another reader who does not believe ConJohn either.

ConJohn is actor and writer but of what? Sort of when we suggest something we do not believe but toss it out to hear if anyone relates or responds. I'll check ConJohns blog but did the comments there believe this new label of his?

Blogger Nick S January 29, 2016 9:57 PM  

I bet there are a few others who just didn't bother to take the test, tho. And/or or "could not care less" like Cataline...

Yeah, I'm pretty sure I'm an IJDC type.

Blogger David of One January 29, 2016 11:00 PM  

Poor Johnny ... what kind of life is this?

Constantly stroking and touching yourself, lying to yourself, posing to yourself, constantly editing your own and other's posts, polishing your mallet and still pretending it is Thor's Hammer, tearing your fish-hose because he's gotten bigger in the rump and smaller in the pump ... poor, poor Johnny. It's hard keeping up with wannabe Johnny because wannabe Johnny is so much more than the real Johnny. Especially as wannabe Johnny isn't real. It is a lot easier and healthier being the real Johnny because reality is more than good enough.

Blogger David of One January 29, 2016 11:05 PM  

OT - Brave Browser preview is out.

Blogger LP999 S.I.G. Burnin' Up Gold, Cooling Under Snow January 29, 2016 11:28 PM  

115 is ConJohn writing, acting or cracking under a pressure? ConJohn lies, jealous of Vox.

Duran Durans Too Much Information springs to mind, dont touch the surface, fake, real, fake.

Blogger Doseux January 29, 2016 11:36 PM  

I've always thought of a fascination with birth stones, astrology, blood type, and other supposed indicators of personality and potential fortune as a "girly" thing. I've encountered it most frequently with women, though I don't doubt that there are many men who also care about those sorts of mystic minutiae. The pop-culture references are merely a new slant on an old formula.

About Meyers-Briggs? I don't know much about it. I've tested before but cannot remember what combination I got. The results don't matter much anyway. Honestly, I'd refrain from advertising it. Those who know you will be able to figure it out if they want. Those who don't have no reason to know.

Blogger The Overgrown Hobbit January 30, 2016 12:17 AM  

Gryffindors are the self-apponted crusaders. This is awesome-sauce if one is up against militant Islam. Not so much vs. micro-aggressing guys having Wrongfun when they play Skyrim.

slytherins are the vox days: ambitious sigmas
huffles are the jagi lamplighters; the hobbits
griffs are the crusaders: sad pups like Correia and Torgersen
ravenclaws are the Wrights, Pournelles, the Flynns

Scalzi is just a bunny-muggle


OpenID originalh January 30, 2016 12:18 AM  

@105 Sam Lively said: No ENTPs?

Makes two of us... I was INTP as a teenager, though.

Blogger Doc Rampage January 30, 2016 1:08 AM  

You've got me confused, Vox. I'd assume that INTP fits your self image better, but you call INTP's "gammas" and you wouldn't call yourself a gamma, so it's a conundrum.

Anonymous Ezekiel Cassandros January 30, 2016 2:21 AM  

@121 'but you call INTP's "gammas"'

Citation needed. Be specific.

Anonymous VFM #π January 30, 2016 8:02 AM  

I do not think he is lying. I think he is delusional. The worst flaw of MBTI is that it is a self-assessment. You need to be sincere with your answers or it will throw off the results. Whenever I ask someone to take the MBTI and it gives a wild result, it is always because the person did not answer with what they actually do, but with what they wish they did instead.

Blogger Shimshon January 30, 2016 1:00 PM  

I think INTP describes me fairly well. It's why I was born in America and live in Israel. It was that or the lawn...

Blogger Michael Kingswood January 30, 2016 1:22 PM  

Meyers Briggs. Meh.

Back in HS I tested as INTP.

In Submarine Officer's Basic Course, just 6 years later, I tested exactly the opposite. Now granted, I did a lot of growing through studying Engineering in college, Nuclear Power training, and submarine school. But still, I was the same guy as in HS.

Haven't taken a real MBTI in several years, but after those diametrically opposing results, I'm leery about it.

Blogger Gapeseed January 30, 2016 2:14 PM  

As an INFP, I very much doubt Scalzi is one of us. You said it yourself, Vox: INFP's avoid conflict, which does not describe your interactions with the man. Also, he seems to be far too self-aggrandizing to be typed an INFP. INFPs not only avoid conflict, but are typically shy and avoid attention and leadership roles unless absolutely necessary or their deeply-held values are threatened.

Anonymous Ezekiel Cassandros January 30, 2016 5:08 PM  

@125
It's not meant to be a test of an underlying, inherent, immutable aspect of your personality - at best, it's an assessment of how your personality works at one point in your life.

My most recent result is significantly different than in the past - but my personality has noticeably changed, so...

Blogger SciVo January 30, 2016 6:42 PM  

Michael Kingswood @125: Haven't taken a real MBTI in several years, but after those diametrically opposing results, I'm leery about it.

As Phelps @27 referred to above, when you are in a stress situation that your resting personality type can't handle, you will flip to your shadow type, which is the exact opposite -- and suboptimal. It's unnatural for you, and it would take a great deal of work to make it anything approaching healthy.

And it is no great stretch to imagine that the pressures and demands of military submarine service could push a natural INTP to express his ESFJ shadow type instead.

Blogger Michael Kingswood January 30, 2016 7:29 PM  

@128

Could be.

For giggles, I took a free abbreviated MBTI online today, just to see what would happen. Apparently that test thinks I'm firmly in between on everything except for T. Not sure how much I buy that, but there it is.

*shrug*

Who the hell knows. At best, it's a rough description.

Blogger great_o'rety January 30, 2016 8:45 PM  

As a con man he has to be an Artisan (Keirsey's take on MBTI). Probably ISFP.

As to Harry Potter, there's striking affinity in the 4 Houses with the Keirsey's temperament theory. After reading "The Deathly Hallows" I got the impression that Rowling did a similar thing with dividing the 16 MBTI personality types into four groups. But she took the J-P instead the S-N dychotomy to make the first division, thus having the Revolutionaries (P's) and the Conservatives (J's) facing each other in the underlying struggle of the books (Hogwarts vs. the Ministry). The revolutionary houses (lashing it out at each other in the main fight) would be: Gryffindor and Slytherin, the conservative: Ravenclaw and Hufflepuff. Now to divide further she uses the F-T dychotomy on the Revolutionaries and the N-S one on the Conservatives. That way she arrives at the Altruist Revolutionaries (gryffindors, FP's) and the Pragmatic Revolutionaries (slytherins, TP's) in the first group and the Abstract Conservatives (ravenclaws, NJ's) and the Concrete Conservatives (hufflepuffs, SJ's) in the other.

Coming back to the 16 MBTI types it goes like this:
- Gryffindor: ISFP, ESFP, INFP, ENFP
- Slytherin: ISTP, ESTP, INTP, ENTP
- Ravenclaw: INFJ, ENFJ, INTJ, ENTJ
- Hufflepuff: ISFJ, ESFJ, ISTJ, ESTJ

Having all that and knowing the nature of the Sorting Hat (quite often it places pupils in a house they wish to be in rather than the one that suites them best) it's quite easy to type the characters. Harry is an obvious ISFP, his buddy Ron an ESFP. Hagrid's an ESFP too and Sirius an ISFP like Harry. Hermione is an
INFJ, a ravenclaw who wanted to be in Gryffindor. Luna is the loony INFP and despite being chosen into Ravenclaw she hangs out with gryffindors where she belongs. Dumbledore is an ENFP and his nemesis Voldemort an INTP (being the Supreme Dark Lord you can't really end up elsewhere). Snape would be one of the tougher nutts to crack, but I'd say he doesn't quite belong to Slytherin either and looks rather INFJ-ish hence should've been better off in Ravenclaw.

This theory explains nicely why one half of the houses feels rather dull and plays its tireless role in the background. That is the way of the J's. It also easy to see why both Gryffindor and Slytherin have no great trouble finding allies in Ravenclaw as well as in Hufflepuff. The F's of the former root for the Gryffindor's cause and the T's of the latter sympathise with the slytherins.

Blogger Doc Rampage January 30, 2016 11:48 PM  

@122: Sorry, Ezekiel. This blog is too fast moving (and Blogger is too awkward) to have real conversations if you only check in every 24 or so.

Just read Vox's description of a gamma. It's basically a description of an INTP with some character flaws like dishonesty and inability to interact properly with women. One of the big crimes of gammas is that they don't know their place in the hierarchy. INTPs don't believe there is a hierarchy and wouldn't care about it if they did. Speaking as an INTP, the very idea that I should respect a man or defer to him because he bangs hotter women than me is so alien it's hard to even call it ridiculous.

Blogger SciVo January 31, 2016 12:13 AM  

@ Michael Kingswood: Apparently that test thinks I'm firmly in between on everything except for T.

That's another tell that you're working in your shadow. I commonly test random results except N because of that.

Blogger Michael Kingswood January 31, 2016 3:58 PM  

@132 SciVo

Ok. The next question then is, so what?

You said before that shadow zone is not healthy. In what way? Until I broke a couple bones and had to stop PT over the last few months, I was more or less in the best shape I've ever been in, physically. Certainly I'm able to lift more, anyway. :) I'm generally happy. Career and $ are on a good trajectory (18 months until retirement and productive civilian employment, baby!). Family's good.

I guess I fail to see the problem here. Or are you talking something more esoteric?

Blogger LP999 S.I.G. Burnin' Up Gold, Cooling Under Snow January 31, 2016 5:02 PM  

What if ConJohn is another actor, writer, actor, multi personalities required to work and he just hasn't told anyone yet?

Blogger Paul Widdecombe February 01, 2016 12:55 PM  

ENTP - Freethinkers doing it RIGHT!
So it seems as though INTP / INTJ get all the glamour, seeing themselves as Spock / The Architect of the Matrix types and oh, by the way they're soooo exclusive at only 3% of the population, or whatever.

Well, guess what - 2x2x2x2=16 personality types.
100 / 16 = 6.25%
3 / 6 = 0.5
making 3% only half the median figure for each type in any case.
(OK - so INTJ's are 0.8%, making them what, 7 or 8 times rarer. Everybody together now - wooooooooo!)

ENTPs will be the vanguard shock troops in the culture wars, bringing their pathologically dishonest SJW opponents down mercilessly with their pathological honesty.

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