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Thursday, January 28, 2016

The cure for school shootings

It's interesting to see how the media has repeatedly attempted to nonsensically blame guns for school shootings while ignoring the fact that most of the shooters have been mentally unstable and on antidepressants. But the truth usually comes out eventually, and in this case, it's ugly:
Antidepressants can raise the risk of suicide, the biggest ever review has found, as pharmaceutical companies were accused of failing to report side-effects and even deaths linked to the drugs.

An analysis of 70 trials of the most common antidepressants - involving more than 18,000 people - found they doubled the risk of suicide and aggressive behaviour in under 18s. Although a similarly stark link was not seen in adults, the authors said misreporting of trial data could have led to a ‘serious under-estimation of the harms.’

For years families have claimed that antidepressant medication drove their loved ones to commit suicide, but have been continually dismissed by medical companies and doctors who claimed a link was unproven.

The review - the biggest oif its kind into the effects of the drugs - was carried out by the Nordic Cochrane Centre and analysed by University College London (UCL) who today endorse the findings in an editorial in the British Medical Journal (BMJ).

After comparing clinical trial information to actual patient reports the scientists found pharmaceutical companies had regularly misclassified deaths and suicidal events in people taking anti-depressants to "favour their products".
"It is absolutely horrendous that they have such disregard for human lives." Professor Peter Gotzsche, Nordic Cochrane Centre

Yes, it is. And to think that some people think that we should defer to scientists and allow them to run society as they think it should be ordered when they are observably some of the most coldly self-serving people on the planet.

Needless to say, this isn't the only "unproven link" that will be proven one day, or the only one that will show the average grant-chasing scientist to be less trustworthy than your average used car salesman. I mean, look at this!

So far this month there have been at least 35 inquests with deaths linked to antidepressants. Last year there were more than 450. “I can say, hand on heart, that I don’t remember reading a report of an inquest where a suicide verdict was applied to a child who had never been on any psychiatric medication,” he said.

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87 Comments:

Blogger Rye Bread January 28, 2016 2:51 PM  

People need to remember the "science" is simply a method to follow to help the body of mankind understand natural phenomena.

It conveys no sacred properties to any body of information, it does not make its practitioners flawless agents of truth, nor should it be worshiped.

It's is simply a tool wielded at best clumsily by individuals who will never escape their own inherent nature.

Anonymous Stentor January 28, 2016 2:54 PM  

Wait until an entire generation of Ritalin boys grow up and realize what was done to them for the sake of female convenience.

OpenID denektenorsk January 28, 2016 2:57 PM  

If anti-depressants are increasing the risk of suicide I don't they are working like you think they should.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 January 28, 2016 2:59 PM  

Teenagers get depressed. It's part of growing up. Why are they getting prescription drugs to treat it?

Blogger tublecane January 28, 2016 3:00 PM  

However bad are the side effects, the antidepressant industry is small potatoes compared to the psychiatric cult, which is supposed to know enough to prescribe the stuff but has no idea it's doing. What is depression, anyway? A real disease, maybe a "disease," or playacting? Who knows? Not psychiatrists. Take autism (please). Either we've had an inexplicable plague lately, responsible parties have unearthed a horrible secret that's been there all along, or ignorant pseudo-scientists merely got a new toy to play with. No one knows.

Blogger darkdoc January 28, 2016 3:05 PM  

All the recent recommendations to "screen" everyone for depression during visits to doctor's offices sounds like a great way to remove a LOT of guns from homes.

Blogger tublecane January 28, 2016 3:06 PM  

@3-I, for one, never saw why antidepressants and suicide shouldn't go together. Isn't a lack of motivation one of the hallmarks of depression? Suicide requires a lot of things, not just hopelessness, and of them is a certain amount of get up and go. It requires some planning, overcoming your instinct for self-preservation and familial/social responsibility, overcoming moral qualms, and so forth. Seems silly to discount suicide because a drug supposedly cures depression.

Not that they do cure depression, whatever that is.

Anonymous Dave of Mars January 28, 2016 3:11 PM  

This is a well known phenomenon. Depression may take away a person's energy to such a degree that they don't have the energy to off themselves. Once they get on antidepressants they still want to kill themselves and now have the energy to do so.

OpenID sigbouncer January 28, 2016 3:11 PM  

"Teenagers get depressed. It's part of growing up. Why are they getting prescription drugs to treat it?"


Because they are the young guinea pigs. The population controllers don't care if one goes by the wayside. And bonus (for gun control) if they take a few with them on their way out.

As an aside I have a Yuge problem with the way the media handles all shootings. They should all be reported as some random asshole in our society shot his classmates/co workers/family/neighbor/anyone. Don't give any name credibility to these whackjobs. They don't get 15 minutes of fame for this shit.

If it's a National security issue then note it was muslim/s from location. But don't show their picture (unless still at large) or give them any credence. No more fame for killing innocents.

Blogger The Overgrown Hobbit January 28, 2016 3:11 PM  

First thing they come for is the language.

"Smart" doesn't mean virtuous, or wise, or well-informed, or insightful, or even particularly funny or creative but it has been used as if it did for at least one generation now.

There are a lot of poisonous underlying assumptions that have been taken up like mother's milk in the mass media, and relentlessly propagandized in the schools.

Thus even people who regularly challenge progs in the political and cultural arenas get things disastrously wrong.

So many of our foundations are rotten. By design.

Anonymous WillBest January 28, 2016 3:12 PM  

Teenagers get depressed. It's part of growing up. Why are they getting prescription drugs to treat it?

Doctors feel a need to give you something for your visit. People don't like going in and paying $100 for 10 minutes of their time to come out hearing "Everybody gets sad, its not medical, try some exercise, get more sleep, and do things you consider fun". Just like they don't like to be told "I am almost positive its viral, if its not better in a week come back"

Blogger shinso January 28, 2016 3:17 PM  

Teenagers get depressed. It's part of growing up. Why are they getting prescription drugs to treat it?

There are multiple market forces working towards this.

1) Pharma pushing doctors to try their products
2) Customer satisfaction scores, if you get told hey don't worry about it nothings wrong with you, a lot of people don't like that and just think the doctor is dumb because it's different this time, so you get a bad review get a few too many of these and it slams your pocket book and hard.
3) Second opinion, most of my relatives that are on psychiatric stuff didn't get it from the first doctor or even second, they kept getting second opinions until they were sold a magic pill to fix their perceived problems.

Blogger Cinco January 28, 2016 3:18 PM  

@11 Doctors feel a need to give you something for your visit.

Yeah, that "need" comes from a financial incentive combined with the "we have to DO SOMETHING" mentality.

Blogger Cinco January 28, 2016 3:23 PM  


Here, read up on the "Good Doctors"

Blogger YIH January 28, 2016 3:24 PM  

What's worse, there's often no testing on the effects on minors. As you're probably aware, medications affect kids differently than adults.
But, if the medication is a general prescription, it can be prescribed to anyone, for any purpose.
Yes, a doctor can prescribe a dandruff treatment for Athlete's Foot - and sometimes that happens. The term for it is ''off-label use''.
The only exception are controlled substances - a doc can't prescribe Oxycontin for Jock Itch. The DEA paperwork requires 'how much, to who, for what' (usually pain management).
Mom can't deal with her moody or aggressive son, doc's busy, scratch out a script for anti-depressives.
How does that stuff affect adolescents? Who knows? Who cares? Not the doc, he/she just wants to make the patient's mom happy so she'll buzz off. Big Phama? A sale is a sale.
When the kid steals the parent's firearms to redecorate the local publik skool, (assuming it's authentic, of course) by the time the kid is found dead or is arrested, it's often too late for a tox screen to be any help.

Anonymous Roundtine January 28, 2016 3:25 PM  

How about Lyrica, for diabetic nerve pain. One side effect is it can increase the risk of suicidal thoughts or behavior.

Blogger Skylark Thibedeau January 28, 2016 3:25 PM  

Notice that before the advent of CNN there weren't many 'mass shootings' that weren't gang related in some way.

Anonymous #1037 January 28, 2016 3:26 PM  

@8 That's the narrative. Make somebody slightly happier and they'll be more likely to kill themself. Proper diet and exercise improve a person's energy level as well, but it doesn't cause suicides and shooting sprees like psychotropic drugs do. So maybe the narrative is self-serving horseshit, eh?

Blogger Skylark Thibedeau January 28, 2016 3:27 PM  

I got into Home Schooling when my 6 year old son's teacher told use he needed Ritalin. The kid would sit for hours at a time drawing so there was no way he was hyperactive. He was just bored.

Anonymous DT January 28, 2016 3:32 PM  

@12 - Teenagers get depressed. It's part of growing up.

How many would get depressed if they weren't locked into a public school system, modeled after the prison system, until age 18?

How many boys would be depressed if they spent their teenage years in apprenticeships helping adult men create things that the world needs, and earning money for doing so?

How many girls would be depressed if they were looking forward to marriage and family with young men already capable of supporting a family instead of slutting it up until 30?

How screwed up is the west, really, that our kids need pills to get through their days?

Blogger dc.sunsets January 28, 2016 3:33 PM  

Which is it? Do SSRI's (et.al.) work or not?

Since their introduction it has always been known that the slight differences noted between the active group (in clinical trials) and the control group could be easily due to nothing more than the active group experiencing frequent-enough side effects to discern that they were, in fact, taking the drug in question and not a placebo.

I still think the entire thing is BS. There are no drugs that act as puppeteers. Drugs can put people into mental loops (anti-psychotics), deaden them (alcohol, barbs), energize or all sorts of other things but they can't make people DO any particular thing.

Behavior is a choice. Mental illness is pseudo-science, entirely different from a brain tumor or bacterial pneumonia. John Nash consciously chose to retreat into his delusions.

If teens are more prone to violence when taking SSRI's (or other supposedly psychoactive drugs) then it strikes me as just as plausible that this is yet one more placebo effect.

Is there an explanation for suicide, or for going postal that doesn't sound a bit too facile?

Blogger Midnight Avenue J January 28, 2016 3:34 PM  

Harris was on Luvox. Klebold was allegedly on Zoloft and Paxil, or maybe Prozac. Lanza was on Celexa. Seung-Hui - Prozac.

All of those drugs are SSRIs - screwing with brain chemistry sounds just about as good for you as screwing with your female hormones to prevent acne, PMS, and pregnancy.

Anonymous Fetty Wup January 28, 2016 3:37 PM  

Sometimes drugs are effective so banning them would be ridiculous.

Guns are used one purpose and that is to kill. Get rid of guns and you significantly decrease accidents.

Blogger Midnight Avenue J January 28, 2016 3:39 PM  

@20 I think you've nailed it, for the most part. High school is torture for a lot of kids. Some people can cruise through it without being bothered by it too much. I don't know how they manage it, or what coping mechanisms they have.

The being trapped in a building all day is the most sad aspect. No fresh air, no real interaction. There is lots of aggression, between students and between students and teachers, and that's neither unnatural nor unusual, but it is constant, concentrated, and contained for far longer than ought to be in terms of daily hours and consecutive years.

Anonymous Soga January 28, 2016 3:40 PM  

@23

OK, let's start with the government getting rid of its arms. Let's significantly decrease the risk of a tyrannical government accident.

Then we'll talk about public disarmament.

Anonymous Goodnight January 28, 2016 3:41 PM  

After our first child was born, my wife had problems with sleeping and irritability. It's pretty normal with new moms but her doctor suggested an anti-depressant. What had been the sweetest and kindest woman I had known became a cold emotionless robot within a couple of weeks. I put up with it for a couple of months before putting my foot down and making her stop taking them. Within a couple of weeks I had my old wife back. Even all of these years later we both warn people about those drugs.

Blogger Salt January 28, 2016 3:43 PM  

Many leftists / atheists who have come here have said they're on some sort of medication.

Blogger Copperheaded January 28, 2016 3:44 PM  

Banning schools would be more effective than banning guns or drugs.

Blogger Salt January 28, 2016 3:46 PM  

@23 Sometimes drugs are effective so banning them would be ridiculous.

All guns have intrinsic positive effect at defending oneself, so banning them would be ridiculous.

Blogger YIH January 28, 2016 3:46 PM  

@23. Fetty Wup
You forgot the /sarc

OpenID sigbouncer January 28, 2016 3:48 PM  

@23

"Guns are used one purpose and that is to kill. Get rid of guns and you significantly decrease accidents."


(Looks for the Jiffy Pop)

Blogger Midnight Avenue J January 28, 2016 3:49 PM  

Piss poor food could be a problem. Some researchers are looking at the gut microbiome, which regulates serotonin production. Feed your body and the bacteria that live in your intestines crap, and you get crap back, inside and out.

I work with lots of young people in their 20s. Most of them are female, and all but one of those young women have been on both antidepressants and birth control since they were 15-16. Irregular periods, you know, require BCP to fix...gimme a break, sometimes you don't have regular periods until you've been menstruating for a while. And feeling a little blue apparently requires radical alteration of brain chemistry. Right.

Anonymous WillBest January 28, 2016 3:53 PM  

Take autism (please). Either we've had an inexplicable plague lately, responsible parties have unearthed a horrible secret that's been there all along, or ignorant pseudo-scientists merely got a new toy to play with. No one knows.

One of my kids may or may not be autistic. The circumstances don't fit the pattern, but after consulting nearly 14 doctors (10 specialists), one of them slapped that label on him because that would be the same services she would prescribe and the systems are in place for it.

Anyway, it puts me in the community so to speak and I have generally asked that question of every doctor I talk to. Here is what the official response is

1) Things that were being diagnosed in other categories, such as general speech delays, are being moved into the autism category

2) These people had them, we are better at diagnosing it

3) They don't like to say "over diagnosis" but they imply that is going on. And considering how much in the way of free school services are available, parents of weird children would no doubt be interested in the diagnosis.

As for autism as a plague, here is what I know. The prevailing thought among the doctors in the field is that it is the result of an environmental insult suffered during pregnancy to people that are genetically predisposed. You will spill a lot of ink on, and talk a lot about your pregnancy if you have an autistic child.

If that is in fact the case, then it would not at all be surprising to find that some modern process we are ingesting or shooting into our bodies would be affecting our children. It wouldn't be the first time, it just is harder to spot because the kid doesn't come out immediately deformed.

Blogger Bluntobj Winz January 28, 2016 3:54 PM  

@26

Out of curiosity, was this a natural birth or assisted with an epidural and pitocin, or a c-section?

Blogger Elocutioner January 28, 2016 3:57 PM  

I seem to recall reading that taking antidepressants actually prolongs depression. And the stuff is handed out like candy.

Anonymous LurkingPuppy January 28, 2016 3:59 PM  

@32: Piss poor food could be a problem. Some researchers are looking at the gut microbiome, which regulates serotonin production.

Electrolyte imbalances and/or deficiencies can make people crazy too.

Blogger dc.sunsets January 28, 2016 4:05 PM  

Happiness is a choice. It's also one a whole slew of people (in Western countries) eschew.

"A poverty of riches," one acquaintance noted. We marinate every waking moment (and probably dream, too) of the fact that we MUST be unhappy, and that the "fix" is

Buy This Stuff!

If you Buy This Stuff you'll be happy, pretty/handsome, surrounded by hot members of the opposite sex, drive a luxury car, etc., etc.

Madison Avenue uses the very best behavioral science money can buy to convinced people they are uneasy, and present whatever is being sold as "the cure."

I strongly suspect few people realize the degree to which their lives are saturated with this, but then again, how do you explain "being wet" to a fish?

Anonymous 5343 January 28, 2016 4:05 PM  

Once they get on antidepressants they still want to kill themselves and now have the energy to do so.

And, may I add from sad direct experience, they now have an easy mechanism to realize it: overdose, which they think to be painless and most assuredly is not, in most instances.

Blogger Midnight Avenue J January 28, 2016 4:08 PM  

Tin foil hat on. Glyphosate introduced in 1974, necessitating GMO crops that resist RoundUp. RoundUp is also sprayed on crops like wheat to desiccate the grain before harvest. Some think this is behind the slight rise in Celiac disease, autism, IBS...people want to blame lots of stuff on glyphosate and GMOs, but problems with depression and disease have been around a lot longer than herbicides, pesticides, and GMO plants (not that I think any of those are good things).

I just don't know. We are fallen and have to always be vigilant to accept God's grace. Depression may be one aspect of blocking grace, or perhaps it is a demon blocking it. It's like your brain is being clawed by a dark monster that won't let it go. You are painfully aware of the Fall in all it's many aspects. You hurt and don't know why. Your heart burns with so much overwhelming feeling that it is difficult to get your bearing. It is very different from feeling glum that no one in school likes you.

After a panic attack, one is exhausted like he's run a marathon and then some. With every attack of anxiety comes a wave at some point, like the body and mind are about to be swallowed up and pulled off the Earth. It's genuinely frightening, literally breath-taking. Honest to goodness prayer helps, asking God to open you to peace. It's the only medicine that helps, and taken daily, it cures.

Blogger ray January 28, 2016 4:14 PM  

Liars and thieves. Their anti-depressants are sops placed over a sick and godless society. I had to steer some boy off them not a week ago. In his thirties. With a wife and kid no less.

The cure for school shootings is called 'fatherhood'. Keep destroying it, keep ducking.

Where is my cure for cancer? The decades are gone and cancer is still bigger than ever. Where is the payoff for the trillions of dollars poured into Scamster Science and the White Coated Woofers? You have no cure because you ARE the disease, my little walking petri plates.

Your gravy train is about to get de-wheeled. You pretentious moneygrubbing fakes better learn how to use a garden shovel. Your Grant Proposals will make good kindling-starter.

Anonymous patrick kelly January 28, 2016 4:14 PM  

"After a panic attack, one is exhausted like he's run a marathon and then some. With every attack of anxiety comes a wave at some point, like the body and mind are about to be swallowed up and pulled off the Earth. It's genuinely frightening, literally breath-taking."

I've heard it described as emotional hallucination.

Anonymous Viidad January 28, 2016 4:19 PM  

"I don’t remember reading a report of an inquest where a suicide verdict was applied to a child who had never been on any psychiatric medication"

The question is: which came first, the crazy or the drugs? It seems most people will just give the drugs unquestioningly when the doctors say it's a good idea.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr January 28, 2016 4:20 PM  

@20 DT:

Good points. Let's face it, being a teenager sucks for most teens. Warehousing them with a pack of other teenagers makes the situation much worse.

Get them out and working with adults (especially not parents), and they almost always straighten out nicely.

Blogger Rabbi B January 28, 2016 4:22 PM  

All this is symptomatic of a quick-fix culture that works overtime coming up with 'solutions' to problems they create.

It's a never-ending, self-perpetuating cycle. No one wants to, and no one thinks they should have to, do the hard work of parenting with a mom at home and an involved father on the scene, which would probably alleviate 90% of the so-called ADD, depression, or whatever other label they come up with to explain the calculated undermining of and deliberate assault on the traditional family and concomitant traditional family values. We think money and pharmaceuticals are the silver bullet for every societal ill. We're in for a rude awakening.

The traditional family unit is an enormous threat to this culture. We hear a lot about the prescience of Orwell's 1984 version of society which is materializing before our eyes, but we must also not forget the Huxleyian vision of a Brave New World, which is no less insidious and working in concert with all things Orwellian.

How do you enslave this culture? Make them love their servitude. Believe me, we're lovin' it.

Anonymous szIlk January 28, 2016 4:22 PM  

I was working on a really snarky, "Yeah! Scientology" remark for this comment thread and just had back off of it. Way to sad that all this has come down the rabbit hole so far and so many innocent lives have been lost over this.

Blogger Nate January 28, 2016 4:23 PM  

part of the issue with anti-depressants and suicide.. is believe it or not just by working like they are supposed to work they can cause suicides. Many severely depressed people are literally to depressed to kill themselves. Put them on a stimulant though.. and now they have the gumption to actually do it.

Many do.

So you have that mechanism.. on top of the psychoactive side affects it makes the issue much harder to tease apart.

Anonymous Baseball Savant January 28, 2016 4:23 PM  

everybody knows erudites can't be trusted. veronica roth told us so!

Blogger Noah B January 28, 2016 4:25 PM  

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Blogger Noah B January 28, 2016 4:25 PM  

One thing that antidepressants do very well is get people hooked. If you think those "depression" symptoms were bad before, just wait until you try withdrawal! Not quite up there with methadone, but I've seen people who spent weeks shaking, deeply depressed, and unable to sleep all thanks to SSRI withdrawal.

Blogger FALPhil January 28, 2016 4:25 PM  

@23 Guns are used one purpose and that is to kill. Get rid of guns and you significantly decrease accidents.

LOL! Throw some bait out there and see who rises to it.


Troll.

OpenID rufusdog January 28, 2016 4:33 PM  

The following are just my personal observations; I don’t offer them up with the idea that they will “fit” or “work” for everyone.
Depression is very real. I’ve gone through three bouts of it and it sucked every time, it REALLY sucked the first time. Half the battle is understanding the beast and that the sky isn’t falling, you are just depressed. My depression was always caused, generally due to stress, life transition, or focusing on some unsolvable problem or worry. I did not take any drugs, even though they were always offered to me and I always came out of the depression fine, back to my normal self.

My view of it is it takes time to get depressed, it takes time to get out of it, in a way you just have to settle in to suffer for a time, accept it, but try to move on from it. Capture every thought, release whatever worry or problem you have, think of positive things and force yourself to be active, workout, do family events, hobbies, even if you don’t feel like it. Pray, meditate on God, caste your worries onto him.

If something is bothering you it helps greatly to talk it out. I always relied on family for this, but if you don’t feel like you have family that you can talk to then some counseling is probably a good idea. I would only recommend a Christian counselor of good reputation. The Bible is packed full of good advice for mental health, both to ward off depression and come out of it.

Again, this is all from my experience, I realize we are all individuals and quite different.

For those of you suffering take heart, you can and will come out of it, it just takes time.

Blogger Feather Blade January 28, 2016 4:36 PM  

@39 RoundUp is also sprayed on crops like wheat to desiccate the grain before harvest

Point of order, ripe grain-stalks look nothing like poison-killed grain-stalks. It would be a waste of money and poison to spray your field right before the crops were ripe.

Blogger YIH January 28, 2016 4:37 PM  

@39. Midnight Avenue J:
What goes around comes around...
Supposedly, Roundup causes cancer. Of course they're getting sued.

Blogger Cataline Sergius January 28, 2016 4:44 PM  

I must disagree. Guns are clearly the problem here.

300,000,000 Guns in America Is Horrifying!!!

Anonymous patrick kelly January 28, 2016 4:52 PM  

@54 CS:

"Yes, you could use a 1911 for this purpose but that venerable antique has a magazine with only seven rounds in it.

Fuck man! That is totally legal in California. You are never going to make Obama cry with something like that."

Funny stuff, yeah Nate, how you gonna make em' cry with a CA legal 1911?


"Which means that...the correct number of guns in this country should be about 1.5 billion.

We have a long way to go."

I'm working as fast as I can to do my part. I love this blog.

Blogger jjc January 28, 2016 4:55 PM  

@28: "Which is it? Do SSRI's (et.al.) work or not?"

The theory of depression and antidepressants it that depressed persons are deficient in free brain serotonin, which SSRI's are supposed to correct. The problem is, of course, that there is no lab test that can determine a patients serotonin levels, so we can't determine if this theory has any basis, or if the SSRI are actually "working" or not

The patient is given a quiz instead to determine if they are depressed or not. Patients can figure out what the "correct" answers are for depression.

Depression should be thought of as a condition where you are depressed, prone to depression and despair, even though your life is going well. If you are depressed because your life sucks, or something terrible happened to you, there is nothing wrong with your brain, it's responding "appropriately" to your situation and environment. Nonetheless, people want treatment in those situations as they try to get through life.

Anonymous BigGayKoranBurner January 28, 2016 5:12 PM  

One of the things people don't realize is some of the worst medication effects come from when you skip a dose or go cold turkey. Planed Parenthood gives teens such low dose birth control that it only works when taken at the same time every day, knowing that teens are bad at that.

And to think that some people think that we should defer to scientists and allow them to run society

Never defer to anyone who can be bribed.

They don't get 15 minutes of fame for this shit. Lamestream only does that for non Asian minorities.

Here, read up on the "Good Doctors" I always liked the tchotchkes & free food that drug reps hand out but you can't always get them without the smoke blown up your ass. I have actually laughed out loud at some drug rep claims. In some cases DRs are being bribed for the cost of a few slices of pizza.

Which is it? Do SSRI's (et.al.) work or not? They work similar to ecstasy. Before an aspie writes out the difference I do understand it.

As for autism as a plague, here is what I know.

One of the most interesting studies was a Chinese one connecting it to Ultrasound, since the west had such rapid adoption of it while it was incremental in china. http://whale.to/c/50_human_studies.html

OT: Air Farce to be allowed to have guns for protection. http://thisainthell.us/blog/?p=64021

Teenagers get depressed. It's part of growing up.

EVIL STR8 WHITE CHURCH GOING CHRISTIANS oppressed everyone, you did math in your head its better to have a wrong answer under Common Core showing the 108 steps it takes to divide 90 by 18.

Blogger darrenl January 28, 2016 5:15 PM  

This is why I tell those who are on SSRIs for either anxiety or depression to get off immediately. They actually have a very high likelihood of making things worse....and they only treat symptoms, not the behavioral issues that fuel these conditions. It'll hurt, but there are other ways to get these issues under control. Good example that you can start right now is doing deep relaxation for 30 minutes a day...everyday. Start today. We should all be doing this regardless to let our brains unwind.

Those suffering now, here is a good resource for you: https://anxietycentre.com/. Good luck.

Blogger BunE22 January 28, 2016 5:19 PM  

@19

"I got into Home Schooling when my 6 year old son's teacher told use he needed Ritalin. The kid would sit for hours at a time drawing so there was no way he was hyperactive. He was just bored."

My youngest was a handful for me. Her nickname was Velcro. She had OCD and a fear of me growing old. She wouldn't potty train till she was 4 so nursery school was out. She would have been a young 5 and was immature when starting kindergarten so I held her back a year.

While in kindergarten I kept her home on days when it was impossible to get her to go, it's just kindergarten and not mandatory, right? Wrong. The principal called me to the school to meet with her and the school social worker. By law a child has to be in school at 6, so no missing days because she doesn't want to go. They were concerned that my daughter frightened easily and cried. I explained her background to the principal who suggested I have her put on meds, something to numb her in other words. I refused, said I'd home school her before I drugged her.

They insisted I have her evaluated by a child psychiatrist. I did. She was a genius at math, had an excellent vocabulary for her age, she just didn't like strangers or new situations. Let her proceed at her own pace was the diagnosis.

She wound up in a gifted child program. She bloomed in middle school and made sure she got good grades. In high school she became competitive with her grades and joined the debate team and marching band. She set her goals on getting into a top college and she did. She's double majoring in math and CS.

To this day I shudder to think where she might be if I was stupid enough to take the principal's advice and find a doctor to drug up my kid. Fuck these school drug pushers.

Blogger Doktor Jeep January 28, 2016 5:27 PM  

It's more than depression, it's sleepwalking.

There was a reason why, when I was in the armed services, guys who were caught sleepwalking in basic training just "disappeared". They of course were simply out-processed quietly the next day and with all that polishing of the boots and marching around, they didn't get a chance to tell everybody they were going. But that's pretty much what happened to sleepwalkers.

This makes me wonder, after hearing of a fellow who had to hide his own guns from himself when he took a drug called "Ambien", about the zombie genre.

Think about this.

Ever had a dream in which the happenings are so outlandish that it wakes you up? A big purple polka-dot flying elephant in a tutu is hard to believe even in a dream, even if the dream included a gay parade (and would be the sort you don't tell friends about lest things get Freudian).


Now, what happens to a person who has spent years watching all these zombie movies and TV series? Would the dead getting up and walking around and attacking the living be so outlandish now? Would it wake them up?

We are told that mass shootings are on the rise. Ok then. Let's entertain that. What else has been on the rise?
1. The zombie genre in TV and movies
2. Use of mind-altering prescription drugs.

What else can we point out? Three VERY important things:

1. The description of an active shooter is always "he had a blank/empty/expressionless stare". This is not always the case of course. But those differences are reflected in the next one...
3. They are horrible shots and cannot clear jams, like someone who was not all there.
3. They kill themselves when the zombies shoot back.

You see the genre of zombies is that they seldom, if ever, use guns. "Day of the Dead" did have a zombie using a 1911, but everybody knows that zombies usually don't shoot back. So when the police arrive, or a citizen with a concealed carry permit responds, the active shooter kills himself. Zombies don't call the police, zombie apocalypses don't include the police, and zombies don't use guns.

Now, any one of us, if we were dreaming one minute, and then the next we're surrounded by dead bodies leaking real blood and screaming wounded victims and we got the gun in our hands, and memory not being completely attached, would know we were pulling the trigger, that much horror and guilt hitting you so quickly and so hard is going to make you do what?

Yes, you will put that gun in your mouth. Regarding a previous item, the shooters who were not in some daze but where just plain nuts tend to live to get captured or die in a shootout with the police. I have been to courses about active shooters and have seen reports about this, and there is an emerging pattern.

Recently, to my horror, there was a commercial on TV regarding some drug, name forgotten, intended to treat people who "keep waking up at night". The commercial listed "the usual side effects" ranging from depression to having your asshole fall out (or something). Future sleepwalkers on that drug probably won't be waking up when the zombies shoot back.


Meanwhile, the leftoids wring their hands and complain about the financial power of the NRA. The media always goes straight to blaming guns. Big Pharma gets a pass. But if you watch TV for any length of time, how many commercials for prescription drugs will you see in a given time?
How many commercials for guns and ammo will you see in that same time?

Anonymous jdgalt January 28, 2016 5:32 PM  

Blaming antidepressants for shootings seems a bit of a stretch. It's more plausible that the cause is either depression itself, or the reasons for that depression (such as the fact that the perp was a victim of ongoing bullying).

I'd listen to a study if it controlled for both those factors.

Blogger CM January 28, 2016 5:36 PM  

Irregular periods, you know, require BCP to fix...gimme a break, sometimes you don't have regular periods until you've been menstruating for a while.

Also hormonal imbalance... which could be corrected through a slight modification in a healthy diet... or more/less exercise.

After our first child was born, my wife had problems with sleeping and irritability. It's pretty normal with new moms but her doctor suggested an anti-depressant.

I took a mini bc pill for 2 months after my 2nd and that coupled with post partum depression made me a wreck.

"A poverty of riches," one acquaintance noted.

This is me. I am not a materialist at all. I want a tiny house and fewer things.

Anonymous BGKB January 28, 2016 5:39 PM  

603. They are horrible shots and cannot clear jams, like someone who was not all there.

Military ranges have medics covering them. Military intelligence, women, & non Asian minorities must be zombies

Blaming antidepressants for shootings seems a bit of a stretch.

Project innocence got their biggest victory by conning a black guy that just came off a 5 day crack binge that he committed a murder that someone in IL was about to be executed for. It was a total scam doing everything they claim cops do. They had a video of his ex wife testifying he killed the guy, and one of a black guy in a suit also saying it. They also gave him really bad legal advice, "confess quickly before this other guy gets executed for the crime"
http://hotair.com/archives/2014/11/10/did-the-innocence-project-frame-an-innocent-man/

Anonymous Jay Will January 28, 2016 5:58 PM  

I've taken them, felt off it on them. I'd go as far as to say it gave me a feeling of invincibility. So it makes sense that someone warped, who may otherwise be paralysed by natural feelings of shame, would feel unleashed by them. Given a pathological hatred for others perhaps it would free you up to act on it rather than daydream about it all day. It should be used as an emergency measure at best, not as it is a kind of permanent or long term disability solution.

These sorts of drugs facilitate poor lifestyle choices which would normally have consequences, heavy drinking for example. They can prop you up, when really the consequences of your behaviour SHOULD result in breakdown, its a message that change is necessary. Change from you, hence why people report joyous feelings when taking ownership of depression, as they do in taking ownership of being a fatty or whatever. You can't take ownership of cancer, you can take ownership of not giving up hope, trying to keep spirits up etc, but the cancer isn't you. The depression is.

Blogger tublecane January 28, 2016 6:13 PM  

@61-Bullying is a red herring. The Columbine kids, for instance, were not particularly unpopular. Dylan was nerdier than Eric, but both had friends and girlfriends. They didn't ascribe their own motivations to revenge for traumatic bullying syndrome.

Blogger tublecane January 28, 2016 6:17 PM  

@61-Bullying is a red herring. The Columbine kids, for instance, were not particularly unpopular. Dylan was nerdier than Eric, but both had friends and girlfriends. They didn't ascribe their own motivations to revenge for traumatic bullying syndrome.

Anonymous paradox January 28, 2016 6:23 PM  

the fact that most of the shooters have been mentally unstable and on antidepressants.

Another fact, these shooters have been on other drugs like LSD and meth. Adding antidepressants to the cocktail of drugs, some people already have in them, isn't a good idea.

Blogger GoodShipG January 28, 2016 6:30 PM  

Stefan Molyneux does a good interview with Robert Whitaker on this subject:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hUltqHaGTA

Anonymous patrick kelly January 28, 2016 6:30 PM  

" If you are depressed because your life sucks, or something terrible happened to you, there is nothing wrong with your brain, it's responding "appropriately" to your situation and environment. "

Yes, your mind and brain have limits just like the rest of you and can be worn out.

"the cancer isn't you. The depression is."

No, I disagree. It is as much a sickness or injury as anything else. How much you can do about it depends on how severe. One of the things that helps me with depression is the realization that it is not me, it is separate, something that is happening to me. I still take ownership of it, as something to resist and fight, like sin.

Sleep, diet, exercise, and reducing or even eliminating the alcohol for a time helps me, but it is a lifelong change, not a quick diet, kinda' like people trying to lose weight and keep it off.

Chasing magik pills and quick fixes is a fools errand.

Blogger lannes January 28, 2016 6:32 PM  

Half -- not 100% -- of the suicides in this country were under treatment. The other half were not.

Blogger lorenzstransky January 28, 2016 6:46 PM  

Antidepressants and other psychotropic drugs goes a long to way to explaining SJW and radical feminist behaviour. Many of them openly admit their long standing mental health problems and the medications they take. I haven't read of any of them committing suicide though but certainly their weird behaviour in public explains a lot.

Anonymous Flexner Report January 28, 2016 6:55 PM  

and on antidepressants

And True Believers in the Allopathic Medical System of J D Rockefeller.
Not very difficult.
Big Pharma is a Globalist - with exceptional domination in/of the USSA - the spiritual / psychological Rulers of you and your progeny.
And they are Liars and UnScientific to their very Core. They not only mean you harm and dis-ease as a model...they make billions off of such.
Any Questions?

Blogger weka January 28, 2016 7:03 PM  

VD.
The key words are UNDER 18. Antidepressants have their place. They ALL increase suicide risk in the first few days to weeks because the physical response occurs before the cognitive changes do -- so you have someone who is suicidal but now has the energy to do something about it.

The modern ones are much less sedating (increase risk) but much less lethal in overdose (decrease risk). And when the prescriptions stopped.... the suicide rate went up.

The ugly truth is that there are tradeoffs that psychiatrists, me included, make. We can now deliver therapy via the 'net (Google "This way up") and we are rewriting our protocols and plans.

I should disclose that I have papers in review @Cochrane at present, and I am on a committee that is about to recommend these meds as THIRD line in treatment anxiety.

Blogger weka January 28, 2016 7:13 PM  

@56. SSRIs, like TCAs, were a fluke.

The current ideas relating to the neurophysiology of depression (and psychosis) concern synaptic (nerve connection) pruning under stress that is not repaired. All the SSRIs and TCAs and Antipsychotics increase, indirectly BDNF. The more direct route is to influence glutamate, but basically every direct stimulant of that is a toxin... and the indirect ones, at high doses are psychotics (Think PCP -- angel dust & ketamine).

Ketamine works at micro-doses for depression. At the end of the needle. More, and you dissassociate, More, and you have dissaossociative anaesthesia. But that requires intensive monitoring (been there, done that). Ketamine also could work even better for anxiety -- we have a drug trial going on in my department on that now.

There are other things that can affect glutamate via MDMA, including benzoic acid (food preservative). If VD wants more, can he email: I've got to go and do some Clinical trial work.

Anonymous WaterBoy January 28, 2016 7:15 PM  

FALPhil @ 50: "LOL! Throw some bait out there and see who rises to it."

No, wait! I like its logic...let's see what else we can apply it to...

Sometimes guns are effective so banning them would be ridiculous.

Sometimes explosives are effective so banning them would be ridiculous.

Sometimes artillery pieces are effective so banning them would be ridiculous.

See? The list is practically endless....and our friendly neighborhood troll has just provided the justification for each and every citizen to have their own cannon.

Blogger LP999 S.I.G. Burnin' Up January 28, 2016 7:44 PM  

During the last decade some (untrained for psych issues)nurse practitioners push antid's because they are easy to dispense, not scheduled.

However dangerous as teens/youths (permanent patients of the murder machine) develop mania, the risk of suicidality will appear in 4 to 8 weeks or less - in some patients.

Meanwhile doctors and therapists acknowledge this severe disconnect in training for NPC's.

Another solution; close and pyro it. Here's to not only never growing up but the end of or phazing out (online learning) vamperv schoolz abusing, drugging and mindwashing (predictive retro bad programming) innocent children. Then again its been thought closing NEA raping their pensions, err, closing all schoolz would leave children without an edu.

The hopelessness reigns as stateside innocence is assaulted with cultural decline with a screen, a box, a blank space a sneering tribal beat to the enemies music. It all appears to be a loss...

Does anyone of Gen X recall that xanax was once hailed as a great anti-d 20 years ago? X worked too well and was limited to some degree. Either way billions are made on whatever drug. Stateside is one of largest consumer of pills, potions and with its insane drug/insurance laws statesiders are notably sickest.

++

OT: On a unscientific note amnesiacs and flunitrazepam are therapeutic under supervision/medical care. Some illegal, some illegal. My theory is a broken one but flunitrazepam can promote the rewriting of better programming.

Anonymous Mr. Rational January 28, 2016 7:53 PM  

@0 And to think that some people think that we should defer to scientists and allow them to run society as they think it should be ordered when they are observably some of the most coldly self-serving people on the planet.

The antidepressant suicide denialists were not independent scientists.  Those were scientists in the pay of pharmaceutical companies.  Just as the tobacco denialists were in the pay of the Tobacco Institute, and the climate denialists are in the pay of the fossil-fuel companies.  Note:  many "greens" are also in the pay of charities and foundations fed by fossil-fuel interests.  They know that pinwheels and black rectangles will never put them out of business, and the diversion they provide is all to their good.

Academic and government climate scientists may have personal biases, but their employers do not tell them what their conclusions are.  Government-financed agencies with specific charters (e.g. NREL) are an exception to this rule.

@1 Exactly.  The application of science will often be flawed, because humans are flawed.  But science is the best method we have for rooting out error and agendas.  Remember, Piltdown Man was received skeptically from the beginning.

@55 I've got my per-capita share, why should I make up for the slackers?

Blogger Neanderserk January 28, 2016 7:55 PM  

The scientific method: Lie to obtain grant money so that children's deaths can be converted into corporate profits.

Blogger LP999 S.I.G. Burnin' Up January 28, 2016 8:15 PM  

No, anti-d's run the show as cross over drugs for anything and everything. Boomers or new medicnie or western medcnine or shareholders or controllers want smart people drugged into submission or at least a hypersuggestable state.

Most if not all stateside school shootings had the antidepressant/anti-d as part of the profile.

Blogger Midnight Avenue J January 28, 2016 8:26 PM  

@ dc.sunsets, re "poverty of riches" and too much stuff

Anxiety and panic attacks have decreased in frequency as I consciously pray daily, and purge my life of things that are nonessential, unused, have no sentimental value, or any real utility.

It is a very long process. I devote a few hours each week to throwing stuff out and reducing my possessions. It is liberating. I have possessions, and do not intend to live like a monk (although that has tremendous appeal oftentimes). Reducing non-sound "noise" is very calming. Now if I can reduce sound noise, ah! to dream of a mostly quiet world...

Blogger LP999 S.I.G. Burnin' Up January 28, 2016 8:39 PM  

80 I dont know if its good or bad but the minimalist scene I've heard is an attempt to fit (minus furniture and cookware) everything one owns into 4 to 5 big trash bags for the purpose of being junk free. Austerity prepping is the new vogue.

The fear of the blank planet is a continued concern as we cannot decide whom in a bomb vest wants to go boom or which young person, a victipatient unstable on meds that were not meant for human consumption.

74 Report your findings.

Will fluoxetine a subset or piece of fluoride always be used in anti-d's? One wonders what is being cut or added into anxiolytics. Is there any interest in swirling anxiolytics with amnesiac drugs designed for prescription use?

Anonymous Ezekiel Cassandros January 28, 2016 9:06 PM  

@75 "and our friendly neighborhood troll has just provided the justification for each and every citizen to have their own cannon."

Well, owning my own cannon WOULD make me feel better about my life. Lemme just ring up my doctor and ask for a prescription.

Anonymous Daniel H January 28, 2016 10:28 PM  

@74
>>Ketamine works at micro-doses for depression.

I have just come back from 2 sessions of ketamine infusion. 6 months ago I went through the 6 course regimen. Does it work? Hmmmm, can't really tell. I am disappointed. I expected a bigger impact. Anyway, I will continue with infusions once every 2 months. I have no other options. They cost approximately $600 per session.

Blogger dfordoom January 29, 2016 1:49 AM  

@71. lorenzstransky

Antidepressants and other psychotropic drugs goes a long to way to explaining SJW and radical feminist behaviour.

Yep. Antidepressants don't just increase the risks of individual suicide - they also increase the risks of national suicide.

They can also produce anger, but it's not a normal anger. It's a cold emotionless anger, a kind of simmering hate. Exactly what you see in SJWs and radical feminists.

Blogger Steve Trueblue January 29, 2016 3:16 AM  

TO
16. Roundtine January 28, 2016 3:25 PM

How about Lyrica, for diabetic nerve pain. One side effect is it can increase the risk of suicidal thoughts or behavior.

Highly relevant is the commercially secret medicine Benfotiamine that actually reverses diabetic neuropathy rendering nerve pain drugs like Lyrica needless. Its a commercial secret that has killed over 100 million people in the 47 yrs it has been concealed inside the German prescription medicine catalogue. Benfo stops Diabetic's feet falling off and kidney damage and further eye damage. But the system makes $240 Billion annually out of this Holocaust That's why Benfotiamine is a commercial secret TELL SOMEBODY http://www.truebluehealer.com/Benfo3.html

Anonymous totenhenchen January 29, 2016 6:45 AM  

Trust your mechanic...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PI0hoBZ-xo4

Blogger Greg Johnson January 29, 2016 4:36 PM  

For several years now, I have been stalked by a psychopath. His stalking behavior first manifested itself after he went on anti-depressants. But I do not blame the anti-depressants. He was always a psychopath, but he was inhibited from acting on it fully because he was paralyzed by depression and anxiety. Once the anti-depressants started working, however, and he was emotionally more on an even keel, he was capable of realizing the psychopath within. I think that this is likely the case with people who commit suicide or murder while on anti-depressants. The drugs did not make them do these things. They merely allowed them to realize these potentialities. In short, anti-depressants help depressed people to realize themselves. For most people, that is a good thing. But, as Mark Twain reportedly said, "Be youself" is not always the best advice for some people.

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