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Friday, January 29, 2016

The magic of generational division

Hawaiian Libertarian has an intriguing spin on the subject:
Prior to the advent of mass mind control enabled by mass media technology, there was no real substantial differences between generations...at least not the sort that so thoroughly and contentiously divided us for the past century. Culture was far more static and slow changing, and influenced much more by religion and cultural traditions and norms.

But the advent of the tell-a-vision, radio broadcasting, the consolidation of print media and the popular music industry all gave those with the same agenda of societal control as the Pharisees of old, the means to "Speak" to the mass audience so as to create such artificially imposed divisions as "generations." THEY told each different generation that the older generations were "uncool" and "old-fashioned." With mass media and commercial consumerism, THEY were able to institute a continuous, dynamic change in music, dance, fashion, clothing, hairstyles, slang and lingo, and ultimately an ethos and moral code for each generation of youth entering their young adult years, so that THEY successfully severed the connections between generations to divide and conquer we the sheeple.

Just for one example of this, we need only look at the differences in marriage and family between the different generations. Our Grandparents were for the most part the last generation that followed the patterns of multiple generations that preceded them. They mostly dated, got married, had sex, then had children. Our parents dated, got married, had sex, had children, got divorced, dated, re-married, had more kids and often got divorced again. We (GenX) dated, had sex, had children, then got married, then divorced, then remarried. The younger generation don't date, they hook up and have sex with a multitude of partners (or they're incel and resort to teh Pr0n, or gay or transgendered or whatevers). Marriage is mostly out of the question, whether they have kids, use birth control, or have abortions or not.

The common cultural ethos and paradigm that drove the changes in mating patterns and family formation (and disintegration) trends are all different for each generation, and it was this artificially created division causing each successive generation to reject the former generations morality that lead to this cultural devolution and attitudes towards family over the span of a few decades.
Mating patterns are an important element in determining culture, so it should come as little surprise that altering the mating patterns would tend to exacerbate the cultural differences between the generations.

It also might help explain the way in which Boomers are totally unable to understand GenX and the succeeding generations as well as the contempt in which Boomers are held by GenX; the Boomers simply don't perceive that anything structural has changed.

They tend to think of "change" as something that an individual does within the context of a permanent infrastructure. GenX, on the other hand, sees that there is no permanence to the infrastructure, and that the infrastructure is not only transforming, but is imposing its changes on the individual.

The Millennial doesn't even see the cultural infrastructure, and thereby doesn't understand either the Boomer perspective or the GenX fury at the order and infrastructure they have lost.

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Blogger jeffrey takada January 29, 2016 8:25 AM  

Very interesting comments on the Millenials. As a very late GenXer I have spent most of my life as a junior member of that club and watched the Millenial gen take shape than then begin to explore the world. Unlike my generation or my study of previous ones, Millenials, as VD says, have almost no apparatus for detecting, determining or experiencing cultural infrastructure. It's like they're a writhing mass of blind worms, seething around in a digital stew that they barely understand. While I have contempt for the Boomers, (and dismay for my own generation) I have only pity for the Millenials. Never was the Parable of the Blind Chained in the Cave more true.

Anonymous That Would Be Telling January 29, 2016 8:29 AM  

As long as we're talking generations and only going back three or so in this discussion, there's the confounding issue of the social welfare state, including the conceit that the government will take care of you in general (including a ludicrous level of economic stability).

This sundered the bonds between generations, for too many of the older no longer thought they needed a functional family to take care of them in their old age, and the younger can say the government will take care of them, noting how much is being taken from their paycheck, especially when they need it the most (although any of us who are realistic realize that deal will be broken by the time we retire).

So as of late, messages of inter-generational warfare fall on fertile ground.

Anonymous RJFlyer January 29, 2016 8:34 AM  

Millenials get a bad rap for being pussies - it's mostly deserved. However, they are capable of toughness given the right leadership. Don't forget that Millenials have been the cannon fodder for most of the War on Terror, led by Gen-X sergeants and field grade officers. It's the damned Boomer generals, senior bureaucrats, and politicians that have wreaked absolute havoc with the military culture and capability.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan January 29, 2016 8:36 AM  

Sounds like opportunity to me, but then again I'm not a professional cuckservative

Anonymous The other robot January 29, 2016 8:40 AM  

OT: Brave is handling most things I throw at it, but it has a problem with Google Docs.

Blogger bob k. mando January 29, 2016 8:46 AM  

VD
the Boomers simply don't perceive that anything structural has changed.



which is hilarious when you consider how much time they spent trying to overthrow bourgeois society and morals back during the Age of Aquarius.

if that wasn't an attempted 'structural change' ... what was it?

Blogger Doom January 29, 2016 8:46 AM  

GenX fury... I think millenials will, eventually share our fury. They just aren't mature enough, yet, to see what boomers destroyed. My only hope is that they side with us, and choose to find a way to restore what has been ripped from our culture. Politics, religion, education, excellence all have to returned, if overturning or destroying is necessary, then so be it. No return to sanity will be easy. Though, as boomers die...

If we can suffer through much, there is still a path. Lesser. Though humble is better than the hubris that has seemingly attempted to destroy everything good about the West. Idiots. What amazes me is that so many boomers are proud of their destruction.

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Blogger S1AL January 29, 2016 8:50 AM  

An unfortunate side effect of the inability to see the infrastructure, or perhaps the collapse of the infrastructure, is that those looking for an explanation and a system often turn to Marxism.

On the flip side, the more conservative members of my generation are often among the most independence-seeking and well-armed of the whole population.

Blogger Christopher Yost January 29, 2016 8:50 AM  

I agree with the idea of modern media "helping" with the constant change in our culture but I got the feeling of a belief of conspiracy within it which I don't support.

This is more self-harm than anything inflicted by any one person/group.

Every new generation has a greater eed to feel special, particularly with less accomplishments. So they destroy those things around them that they can and declare themselves, by comparison, to be better.

This usually means they need to remove the accomplishments of the prior generations and/or deride them as old fashioned.

It comes with a mob mentality that reinforces and buttresses that bullshit. They have to support each other in order because if they don't their own ideas of being special would take a hit.

It's pretty much the foundation of all that SJW idiocy.

Anonymous kfg January 29, 2016 8:54 AM  

The government schools, which not only artificially segregate children from the wider adult community, but children from each other.

They can, if they wish to, manufacture a generation gap in a single year.

Blogger Salt January 29, 2016 8:54 AM  

That's an interesting perspective. Yeah, okay, us boomers are boomers. That's the way it is. Back in the 50s it was suddenly TV. Forget reading the newspaper. Your parents did that. We watched Walter Cronkite. People say Nixon lost because Kennedy looked good on TV.

It was a shift our parents did not understand, no matter they really didn't pay attention to it either. Our frame of reference was completely different from our parents.

Our parents did not want to talk about the war and our grandparents did not want to talk about the depression. So we now had the bomb, duck and cover, the transistor was coming into play, and in just a short time Man would walk on the moon.

Anonymous It's..in..my.....BRAIN! January 29, 2016 8:55 AM  

Essentially, the human race had its cultural nervous system hijacked by an electronic Ophiocordyceps.
As with the fungus, our behaviors now serve the purposes of the hijackers even to our own demise.

Kill your TV.

Blogger dc.sunsets January 29, 2016 8:59 AM  

Some "kids" do get it.

My three sons all followed the original model (date, marry, sex, kids.) Okay, I don't know about the date-marry-sex vs the date-sex-marry (and I don't want to, none of my business) but the point is that my sons clearly learned something from their formative years in a stable, organized, loving family where happiness was the expectation and the path to Happiness Plateau was fairly well explained.

Today people are bombarded with siren-songs leading them to crash on the rocks.

During an ill-advised foray into Greek Life on campus, the initiation "ceremony" was preceded by a very identifiable (to me) period of sensory deprivation. Knowing the signs, I intentionally subverted the sensory dep, allowing me to retain my analytical faculties so that I saw right through the circus. Others were not so fortunate.

My point is that if one is educated about the mechanisms used to pull you onto the rocks, you can avoid them.

Raising kids in today's world requires parents to understand and then teach their sons and daughters about the con artists, thieves and sociopaths who surround them. Sadly, my observations reveal that very few adults grasp the games themselves, much less can teach their kids.

Everything that has a beginning has a middle and and end. I wish my Ozzie & Harriet life was the norm, but it's not. If my kids' families are nothing but oases in a desert, that's the way it is.

Anonymous kfg January 29, 2016 9:08 AM  

"GenX fury... I think millenials will, eventually share our fury."

The post millennials are getting the full onslaught of the SJW converged school system. They place Xers, and even millennials in the category "Old People."

Just as millennials have little to no sense of history and often cannot distinguish between what Boomers have done and the what the Greatest and Silents have done, the post millennials cannot distinguish between what Boomers have done and what Xers and millennials have done.

While you have been busy looking at the generation gap behind you, the generation gap in front of you has already formed.

In 10 years it isn't the Boomers who you are going to have to worry about, it's the 20 year olds who are generation Orwellian nightmare.

Blogger Student in Blue January 29, 2016 9:14 AM  

@Doom
GenX fury... I think millenials will, eventually share our fury. They just aren't mature enough, yet, to see what boomers destroyed.

It's not a question of maturity vs immaturity, but of disconnection.

As a millennial, we all do not know our history, and do not understand how it all works. It was modified, fed to us incorrectly, and due to our own increasing solipsism wasn't interested in it anyway.

It's not just a simple "well they'll get mad", because millenials as a whole don't know the pattern playing out. The solipsism needs to get broken first, and an appreciation for history will almost necessarily follow.

The whole muslim invasion has been good on that end, as it's revived a lot of talk about Deus Vult and what exactly the Crusades were about vs what we were told.

Anonymous Ryan January 29, 2016 9:21 AM  

Boomer men failed to figure out how to control boomer women.

The women were inundated with nonsense about bra burning, the pill, abortion, careers, soap operas, Rosie the riveter, and population control.

TV pushed divorce, second marriages, revenge, and control over society via the ballot box.

No discussion of boomers should fail to note the difference between the behavior of the women, and the failure of the men to deal with this behavior.

Mostly men worked, deer hunted, built stuff, did their military duty, drove muscle cars, and were dismayed at the behavior of their birth control addled wives who voted for politicians who worked to destroy the family unit, increase independence, promote victimization and promiscuity.

Most boomer men are still wandering around in a daze asking "what happened"?

Watching the younger generations of gadget zombies, it doesn't appear things are fixing themselves.

Thanks for suffrage, Grandpa! You fucked us all good and hard.

Anonymous kfg January 29, 2016 9:28 AM  

"Thanks for suffrage, Grandpa!"

Boomer have Grandpas who weren't old enough to vote for that.

"Boomer men failed to figure out how to control boomer women."

No argument, but Grandma was a flapper. This shit has been centuries in the making.

Blogger Stilicho January 29, 2016 9:32 AM  

That's why Millenials are so enamoured of statism: they look to govt to provide the structure once provide by society/culture. The Millenials kumbayah global multicultism is just a bonus for those forces seeking to abolish America in favor of the UN/gloablist utopia.

Blogger Doom January 29, 2016 9:35 AM  

Student in Blue,

Not so much. We were fed just as misguiding information. I fought socialist and communist material in 8th grade against teachers. I had to learn the majority of the truth of history on my own. Yes, it is a matter of maturity. Though not all are capable of reaching maturity, or willing to pay the price of having it or even reaching for it. We'll see, I guess.

kfg,

Yeah, but when I was in the Navy, the oldest guy in my first real unit was 33, plus or minus. We called him old man and really, truly, gave him a raft of *h*t about it. He might, I say might, have been better at handing it back, but that is a whole other issue. I do know for a fact that the "old fart" had more kick than a mule. Yeah, I just had to... check.

Blogger Salt January 29, 2016 9:39 AM  

Watching the younger generations of gadget zombies, it doesn't appear things are fixing themselves.

Saw a pic of kids, looked to be 16-19 y/o, sitting on a bench at a museum in front of a famous painting. Might have been staged, don't know. They were all on their iDevices. Caption was, "I'm sure they're texting about art" or something like that.

Yeah, right.

Anonymous Athor Pel January 29, 2016 9:40 AM  

I've answered a question related to this subject not too long ago.

Zen0 asked, "How were X'ers spared the subtle influence of the Jewish dogma of tikkun olam (repairing the world). Was there a lull in the propaganda war?"

I answered,
"Because X'ers got to live in a world different than the one we live in now. The changes happened too fast for us not to notice."

I wrote more than that but didn't post it at that time. Here it is.

GenX knows the truth of what things were like before the 'save the world/save the children/save the poor' whiners started changing things in wholesale lots.

THEY went too fast and stopped taking any backward steps. No more three steps forward two steps back. It became two steps forward, stop, one more step, stop, wait some more, two more steps.

Before zero tolerance policies in school, before affirmative action, before bicycle helmet laws, before political correctness, before cultural marxism before before before...

The world changed, we didn't.

GenX has seen too much change not to notice the impermanence and inherent corruption of everything mankind builds whether it's in the physical world or the world of ideas; technology or culture to put it another way.

GenX has gotten to see what happens when nations turn away from God and those that say they follow Him but actually follow their own appetites. Technology has accelerated things such that cause and effect are easily seen together, inextricably linked.

The future becomes self evident if you will only look and listen. We, all of us, know what is coming. These days it doesn't take a prophet to point it out. It isn't hidden. Those that seek to bring their twisted vision of the future to pass literally shout it to heaven and earth. Even the financial numbers massaged for propaganda purposes by the banks paint a stark picture of a future none of us want to see come to pass.

This comment is in no way bragging about how prescient GenX is. Far from it. We've been given a gift of temporal perspective that we didn't deserve and that gift is also a burden. Like the watchman on the wall, the warning must go out.

And yes, the members of GenX that see the most clearly were raised by Silent generation parents and knew grandparents that came of age in the great depression and were adults during WW2.

Blogger Student in Blue January 29, 2016 9:43 AM  

@Doom
Though not all are capable of reaching maturity, or willing to pay the price of having it or even reaching for it. We'll see, I guess.

It's not only the misguided info, but the disconnection *and* the solipsism.

GenX aren't quite as detached as Millennials are, I believe.

Anonymous kfg January 29, 2016 9:46 AM  

@Salt: The last time I went to a major mall it took me a while to figure out what I was seeing.

At first I just saw a bunch of teenage girls all wandering around staring at their "devices." Over time I came to realize that these were girls who had all gone out shopping "together."

They arrived separately, they left separately, and shopped separately, but thought of themselves as participating in a group social activity because they were device connected.

Blogger Escoffier January 29, 2016 9:47 AM  

"the Boomers simply don't perceive that anything structural has changed."

Or like Peter grant they help end apartheid and completely ignore the ensuing chaos they engendered.

Anonymous Crispy January 29, 2016 9:49 AM  

“The children now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise.” -- Socrates

That said, the last century has seen a dizzying acceleration of technology.

We don't have to worry so much about plagues, but about WMD.

People were fornicating and trying to avoid getting caught back to ancient times (reference the Hippocratic oath). Now we have contraception and abortion.

We don't have slaves, but we have automation and outsourcing.

As they say, “History doesn't repeat itself but it often rhymes.”

Blogger CM January 29, 2016 9:50 AM  

@2
This sundered the bonds between generations, for too many of the older no longer thought they needed a functional family to take care of them in their old age, and the younger can say the government will take care of them, noting how much is being taken from their paycheck, especially when they need it the most (although any of us who are realistic realize that deal will be broken by the time we retire).

How much of the rise of socialism is due to Industrialization and urbanization? Agricultural civs appear (to my limited view) to have stronger generational ties.

@10
I agree with the idea of modern media "helping" with the constant change in our culture but I got the feeling of a belief of conspiracy within it which I don't support.

There has always been a segment of the population that is "fringe". They don't conform to societal norms, struggle with maintaining functional and productive frame (can't think of how else to phrase it), and rebel against the previous generation.

In most of history, they are marginalized and disregarded... unless you are French. The starving artist, the actor, the performer were typically looked down on as useless or frivolous. I was in performing arts... these people are not like the rest of the population.

The big screen and TV kind of gave that significant minority respectability (we even elected one to office!)

We essentially gave those disrespected and marginalized "freaks" a platform from which to influence others.

I wouldn't call it a conspiracy so much as a natural progression to giving the most rebellious and non-conforming members of society such an influential voice through entertainment.

OpenID elijahrhodes January 29, 2016 9:50 AM  

OT: Brave is handling most things I throw at it, but it has a problem with Google Docs.

Have you tried reading Instapundit? It completely munges the stylesheet.

Anonymous kfg January 29, 2016 9:53 AM  

Peter Grant helped end apartheid, and then immediately got the hell out.

Anonymous kfg January 29, 2016 9:56 AM  

"How much of the rise of socialism is due to Industrialization and urbanization?"

One of the chief failings of Marx was being unable to see the world through anything but urban, industrialized eyes.

Blogger Escoffier January 29, 2016 10:05 AM  

Exactly kfg while still saying how 'proud' he is of this accomplishment

Blogger dc.sunsets January 29, 2016 10:10 AM  

Remember Alvin Toffler's Future Shock?

Humans today are not one iota different from people wandering their ancestral lands 10,000 years ago.

Our success has sown the seeds of failure (as it always does.) This is why almost everywhere we look we see what amount to Cargo Cultists with the loudest mouths and the greatest willingness to obtain positions of power.

We are ruled by the least wise among us. As always, most especially when widespread hardship is a distant memory.

Everywhere we look we see human societies on trajectories that look like collective future Darwin Award entries.

You're either part of the masses or part of the Remnant. The Remnant cannot and will not alter the trajectory of their larger society. History is created by the masses and written by the scribes of the current rulers (who today are leftist assholes, hence "skooling" K-through Ph.D.)

Are you part of the Remnant?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnZJKRGLaaE
http://fee.org/freeman/isaiahs-job/

Anonymous Roundtine January 29, 2016 10:14 AM  

I fought socialist and communist material in 8th grade against teachers. I had to learn the majority of the truth of history on my own.

Remember the Silent generation Marxist professors? The guys who actually read Das Kapital, were familiar with Mises and Friedman, and would debate you. Then came the Boomers who read about Marx and parroted the Keynesian model. Mises who? Now the Gen X professor calls you a racist and that's the end of debate. Millenial professors will be like something out of Idiocracy or Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure.

Blogger The Other Robot January 29, 2016 10:15 AM  

Have you tried reading Instapundit? It completely munges the stylesheet.

Yeah, but it got rid of those damn ads. And it handles O365 and Jira without problems.

That means that I can almost use it for work.

Anonymous Blaster January 29, 2016 10:20 AM  

The Millennial doesn't even see the cultural infrastructure, and thereby doesn't understand either the Boomer perspective or the GenX fury at the order and infrastructure they have lost.

I usually don't put much stock in generational generalizations but this is spot on and an excellent observation.

The only counter-observation I'd make is that progressives of any generation take infrastructure for granted.

Anonymous kfg January 29, 2016 10:21 AM  

"Millenial professors will be like something out of Idiocracy or Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure."

And, as per my above comment, just wait until you get a load of their students.

Anonymous The OASF January 29, 2016 10:23 AM  

Here is wisdom:

The one central-controlling goal of the modern elites and the government and private institutions that they control is this: DESTROY THE TRADITIONAL FAMILY UNIT.

Period. That's it.

There really is no other goal. All policies whether social, economic, political, security, CIA psy-op, whatever, are focused on destroying the family unit. This is a tough concept for someone who has never been an "insider" to understand. But if you think carefully about it, you will know it to be true.

The reason: because once this is done, people have nowhere left to turn but the government who then control all of the resources. And the feeding at the trough will go on, for a little while.

But then, well, there's a reason for all those FEMA coffins.

OpenID elijahrhodes January 29, 2016 10:27 AM  

My high school age kids are homeschooled and their media consumption has always been very restricted. The result is not only a nonexistent generational gap, but when they interact with your average institutionally-educated youth they feel like they're dealing with stupid aliens from another planet. They simply can not relate to them culturally or in terms of their values and interests. They seem shallow, uninteresting, and frankly, not very smart. It is only other home school kids that they find to be on their level.

This experience has made me realize that the generation gap is mostly a made up phenomenon. Remove the corrosive cultural influences and you end up with normal, stable, happy, independent, self-assured, productive kids who are totally comfortable with themselves and around adults. Remove them from the nanny-state indoctrination camps and you'll see your kids absolutely thrive.

Anonymous Roundtine January 29, 2016 10:32 AM  

Remember Alvin Toffler's Future Shock?

I remember the Third Wave, the media fragmentation is as he predicted.

There's a decent investment book by Spitznagel, The Dao of Capital. It's sort of a mix between Austrian school and Taleb. He uses and example of angiosperms and conifers to describe his roundabout investment strategy (also a bit like r/K). The angiosperms spread everywhere and grow quickly. This squeezes out the conifers who retreat to harsher, rockier spots. For a long time, if you look at this forest, you might say the conifers are losers or weak, they are stuck in the bad spots, they have lost most of the territory. Then a forest fire comes and burns all the trees, and the winds from the fire propel the conifer seeds everywhere. Some seeds are even so well protected, they only open when exposed to the intense heat of forest fires. Bereft of competition, the conifers take the ground.

Anonymous slowpoke January 29, 2016 10:37 AM  

It wasn't mass media. It was compulsory public education in the prussian model, and John Dewey. Our government schools are explicitly setup to divide children from their parents and make them reliant on their peer group. That is the "socialization" of school. That is how Dewey expected to prepare the next generations to embrace socialism. And almost all private schools follow the same model. Public/goverment schools are massively successful in reaching their goals; its just that educating children isn't actually one of them.

Anonymous Stevie January 29, 2016 10:38 AM  

Everyone I know is married with kids.

I guess I just hang out with the winners

Blogger Salt January 29, 2016 10:40 AM  

@39

Court rules Michigan has no responsibility to provide quality public education

Anonymous Quartermain January 29, 2016 10:40 AM  

My favorite generation was the WW I era generation born around the turn of the last century.

They raised the WW II era generation.

The WW II era generation raised the baby boomers.

Blogger Red Jack January 29, 2016 10:45 AM  

@14 dc.sunsets

I had a similar experience with my fraternity. However, my class was different (or the older ones worse). It didn't work. We turned the tables on the seniors, and went to the negotiating table from a position of power. We paid bills. Make us mad, and we leave as a unit (we had a lease ready to sign).

Not all Mill's are lost. Our babysitter came from a very messed up family. No dad, mom in and out of jail, sister on enough meds to make a Pink Floyd album. However, she looks at us (and others) and sees while we don't party like her peers, we have a lot of what she missed growing up. She is trying to play by the "old" rules for marriage, and is engaged. She, and a few other Mills I know, have tried to wake up.

Will it matter? Short term no. But long term perhaps the seeds are being sown. This is a long march. We will not finish it, but perhaps we can save a few from the coming darkness.

Blogger Chiva January 29, 2016 10:46 AM  

As our culture slides into darkness this Psalm comes to mind.

Psalm 112: Praise the LORD! How blessed is the man who fears the LORD, Who greatly delights in His commandments. His descendants will be mighty on earth; The generation of the upright will be blessed.

Blogger praetorian January 29, 2016 10:48 AM  

Some of my most frustrating conversations with my early-boomer father are about my early-millennial younger brother's dating troubles in San Francisco. He has no idea how rudderless and brutal the dating scene has become, thanks to his generation's destruction of the traditional socio-sexual frameworks. And of course he fully supported and supports that destruction of those frameworks, even while appealing to them implicitly when talking about my brother and wondering why he is implicitly MGTOW-ing (not that either would know the term.)

He is a very smart man. It is infuriating.

Anonymous coyote January 29, 2016 10:50 AM  

"this shit was centuries in the making." duh. but look! over there! boomers! die already! that will make it all better!

OpenID denektenorsk January 29, 2016 11:00 AM  

"tell-a-vision". I like that.

Anonymous Soga January 29, 2016 11:04 AM  

@45

Millenial here with boomer parents. Can confirm boomers don't understand anything about how the SMP has changed.

Heck, when I told them I was looking at my girlfriend as having enormous marriage value, they looked at me like I was insane. "That's not what dating is for! You should only marry her if you really love her, not just because she would be a good wife!"

I proposed anyway. She hasn't disappointed me.

Yes, I love her. It's much easier to love a woman that works hard to please her man.

Blogger The Remnant January 29, 2016 11:06 AM  

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Blogger Skylark Thibedeau January 29, 2016 11:06 AM  

The Boomers gave us abortion on demand, now the Millenials will give us Euthanasia on demand. If the old Boomer Grandparents are too elderly and inconvenient to take care of, just send them to be turned into Soylent Green.

Blogger The Remnant January 29, 2016 11:07 AM  

I'm GenX, and I identify strongly with this post. On the one hand I enjoy the chaos we've descended into because it gives me greater freedom to be the loner/black sheep I always was. On the other hand, though, I know full well that the situation is sick and unsustainable, and part of me still wants children who can thrive in a decent society rather than slog through a decadent one. Maybe the solution is to move abroad. I speak Spanish and can probably find a place that is wealthy enough to have some material comfort, but poor enough to have some values.

Anonymous Quartermaster January 29, 2016 11:08 AM  

"...the Boomers simply don't perceive that anything structural has changed."

As with many general statements, this is both true and false. many boomers don't know it, and many of us do. You have to have a terminal case of inattention to not realize that things have changed. In my circle (Christian), the changes have been a matter of discussion for many years. In leftard circles, they know things have changed, but they think things haven't changed enough.

@41
It's ironic that leftists are realizing the damage being done. The problem they have is overcoming the very structures they put in place to rectify what they realize is wrong. I pity the kids, but no the leftards waking up to their own stupidity.

I don't think Michigan has a constitutional provision on quality of education. Not that it matters. Ohio has one, but it isn't any better off.

Blogger tz January 29, 2016 11:11 AM  

Way back when, before the churches promoted pill popping to defuse the population bomb, it was not uncommon for many people to have an uncle younger than they were. That helped continuity. Now, it is wait, have two spoiled brats at a convenient time. If you have many kids, you don't have the time nor resources to spoil them.
Once you start shifting to r-selection, it is hard to stop. The problem is that they aren't rabbits on grass and are consuming the surplus left by previous generations.

Somewhere there is probably a cannibalistic r-selected species. Well, mama rabbits do eat their young at times, as do locusts. and there's that story from the bible at a time of famine.

It is going to get ugly in places for the hoppers. The ants and wolves have their secure retreats.

Blogger LP999 S.I.G. Burnin' Up Gold, Cooling Under Snow January 29, 2016 11:19 AM  

Much love to Salt, Xeno, Gen Kong and other boombooms.

I want everyone to be healthy, wealthy, living out their dreams, all that in the hopes they achieve their own freedoms and me mine.

Some boombooms treated me with grace and kindness. Bdlg Mgmt is beyond wonderful and amazingly maintaining so much. It was a boomer lady who convinced me into joining the art guilds. Most of all dad and God whom never failed me but stopped me from my own versions of madness and epic stupidity. These days dad made me sign off on the DNR at the nursing home.

Could it be said that many or most generations thru the years have resented or became frustrated with their elders, though we loved them or tried to love them from a far distance, just didn't understand humanity is imperfect, fallen. Accompanying darkening, cultural decline of the last 100 years, stateside is lost.

How lucky we were to grow up in a day where if we got pulled over for open container the police would say, "pour that out young man and go straight home", such an occurrence wasn't just a boomer thing, it happened for gen xers too. Just go straight home. Home to what we didn't know was slowly eroding and about to disappear.

Genxers could or should have expected the times when we'd see our boomer parents lose everything, lay offs, fights, nonsensical women solipsism. Our last hope was 800 Dad and God.

Hopefully a father who withstood the Eve within the woman and lead the household no matter the times to come. A heavenly father whom knew the times where his His hands.

I disliked the pushpull to turn against my parents or elders as a prereq of coolness. I recalled the coolness of the 50's or 60's and laughed, all stupidity but cute to unknowing future parents just like the generations before. Little did I know the cultural influences decided our fate; all the wrong messages, distractions, have more, lessen concerns for the future, have fun now. Later never arrives. And then old age sets in...Stress becomes hypnotic. Gen x might be the last generation to have fought cynicism in defense for the wonder and shine.

Family fell ill, family learned the hard way money talk, the innocent kids are gone after and money rules. With regained clarity when the siblings of my parents and mom gal pals (a microcosm of boomer characteristics to remain wholly objective towards) went after me. My flame restrained, I just looked at all the rivalry, all the boomer traits. What a painful edu. To further disturb them and play them, I bought mom and dad matching teddy bears. And when I was asked, "whom did I love more moms or dads side or accusing me of being a lazy NEET." I'd ask Teddy (2014 or 2015 Diabolik anime reference for utter its horror and pain), "teddy whom do you love more, mom or dads side?" Of course, moms side was horrified at my reply at their equally absurd question.

Boomers competing for the social dominance, gaslighting us kids all the way to their own graves for MOOOR X,Y,Z. The abuse that took place from 2012 to 2015 is past tense, a lesson learned. I hate with the deepest flame what you pulled on my dad and I. Brainwashing my mom in her weakness and illness, upsetting my dad, spinning her against me, you wicked sorceresses (nabalt - k' but these bitches were surreal evil). I hope you evil types are happy, you cost me dearly yet the days roll on in suspense.

Blogger Rabbi B January 29, 2016 11:20 AM  

Boomer threads and popcorn. They were made for each other.

Blogger Halifax Donair January 29, 2016 11:21 AM  

@11 That reminds me of this post.

Funny, when I lived in cities, I was bombarded with RF, but now innawoods SiriusXM makes about $600 a year off me... I listen to Symphony Hall, channel 76 mostly and Fox Business in the car.

Television? The last series I watched was Breaking Bad, on Netflix... which I ditched three months ago because I wasn't watching it either.

Blogger Halifax Donair January 29, 2016 11:25 AM  

@12 Interesting to note that when JFK was shot Cronkite was on the air audio only for the first half hour... because the had to let the valves in the TV camera warm up.

Blogger Dire Badger January 29, 2016 11:27 AM  

You know, dating would be a lot easier if they just legalized female slavery.
Nothing lets a woman know she's valued than bringing a great price at auction.

Anonymous WillBest January 29, 2016 11:29 AM  

I think the fact that the show "Mom" is in its 3rd season is all you need to know about the state of things. Its about a 50 year old great grandma and her descendents where the men involved in that change are absent.

I agree with the offered premise above that its more public education than TV. But it is definitely a 1-2 punch. Even in its most benign form it divides the family so that the parents can't deprogram the kids.

Blogger Timmy3 January 29, 2016 11:30 AM  

The generation that married, had kids, divorced, married again, had more kids was the worst for traditional marriages. They discredited marriage. They were the Elizabeth Taylor and Zsa Zsa Gabor era. My generator tried to fix it by marrying once and staying married although with less kids. My friend's kids are in their early 20s, while we just turned 50. This new generation don't know if they should marry at all.

Anonymous BGKB January 29, 2016 11:31 AM  

I have heard millennials say they have no culture because they are white. I ask them who other than Asians has anything that can be called a culture. Tell them blacks had to steal the invention of peanut butter for native Americans, and Hispanic culture is littering, DUIs, rooster fighting, and women having sex with donkeys.

Today people are bombarded with siren-songs leading them to crash on the rocks.

They should never have built a taxpayer funded statue to MLK before his FBI records got released especially taking school trips to see a statue made in china. How long until kids are taken on school trips to see the statue of a tranny that ate dog shit on video, which replaced statues of confederate soldiers? http://www.baltimoresun.com/features/baltimore-insider-blog/bs-ae-divine-20160115-story.html

my early-millennial younger brother's dating troubles in San Francisco.

If he is not gay get him out of San Fran. If he is gay tell him to look at all the homeless trannys, and the old naked men on the streets in the summer and tell him not to be like them.

Blogger LP999 S.I.G. Burnin' Up Gold, Cooling Under Snow January 29, 2016 11:33 AM  

I forgot another godly boomer. Beatrice and Beau, whom was dad and my inspiration for prayer after their health problems. Beau and Bea's faith remained an encouragement to us.

Anonymous A Visitor January 29, 2016 11:36 AM  

"The Millennial doesn't even see the cultural infrastructure, and thereby doesn't understand either the Boomer perspective or the GenX fury at the order and infrastructure they have lost."

Aggregately, we don't. However, as I approach the big 3-0 at year's end this year, I must say that I am ticked: I know what we lost but unfortunately was never able to experience it myself. Call it jealousy or what have you. I prefer interacting with people in real life as opposed to the Internet, whenever possible. I view my phone as a tool, not an end in and of itself. I turn it off when out with friends or family. I don't do any social media save LinkedIn (and that's only for professional purposes, I'm rarely on it anyway). Yes, I'm an exception. Exceptions do not disprove rules however. Much of my generation is hosed.

@2 When I was out at Fort Irwin I saw firsthand guys that proved that they're capable of toughness. Thanks for saying that. It was an honor to deal with those guys.

@7 Trust me, some of us already have fury and are willing to side with whoever is willing to restore what was lost. Some of the most devout fellow Catholics I know are from the under 30 crowd.

@9 I've got enough weapons for myself that it'd be considered illegal in the few countries outside of the US where weapons are permitted.

"My three sons all followed the original model (date, marry, sex, kids.) Okay, I don't know about the date-marry-sex vs the date-sex-marry (and I don't want to, none of my business) but the point is that my sons clearly learned something from their formative years in a stable, organized, loving family where happiness was the expectation and the path to Happiness Plateau was fairly well explained."

@14 You nailed it! Stable, organized, loving families is what have armed me and friends of mine to avoid the pitfalls others in my generation have succumbed to. When I get married and have kids, there shall be no cable in the house (then again, it's already dying off thanks to streaming services).

"As a millennial, we all do not know our history, and do not understand how it all works. It was modified, fed to us incorrectly, and due to our own increasing solipsism wasn't interested in it anyway."

@16 I had to learn a fair amount of what I know on myself and I went to private grade school and high school. That's telling of today's education system in general.

@30 Another chief failing of Marx is that his ideology was batsh*t insane. There, fixed it for ya.

@40 Ditto for me; nearly everyone I know is too. I'll be getting there (married) soon enough, God willing.

"This is a long march. We will not finish it, but perhaps we can save a few from the coming darkness."

@43 Here, here!

"He has no idea how rudderless and brutal the dating scene has become, thanks to his generation's destruction of the traditional socio-sexual frameworks."

@45 In retrospect, I think that was the same thing with my parents. They just assumed that my brother, myself, and my sisters would be fine. A brother and sister are married; I'm seriously going after a girl right now myself and my other sister has a boyfriend. Having said that, we must never make the mistake that what our children (in my case when I get married and have them that is) are going through is what we went through. I went to a very good private high school and there were teenagers doing heroin and dealing weed (one guy I knew made $25k by our senior year). We have to inoculate them against the culture.

"Heck, when I told them I was looking at my girlfriend as having enormous marriage value, they looked at me like I was insane. 'That's not what dating is for! You should only marry her if you really love her, not just because she would be a good wife!"

Anonymous A Visitor January 29, 2016 11:36 AM  

@48 My best friends are husband and wife; the three of us met in high school and went to college together. They got married at 20 right before we started our junior year. I heard so much crap from boomers I knew saying they should wait, why would you want to get married that early, etc. Fast forward nearly 9 years later and they have three kids. Finding a woman that has enormous marriage value is rare in today's world. If you can find her though...

"On the other hand, though, I know full well that the situation is sick and unsustainable, and part of me still wants children who can thrive in a decent society rather than slog through a decadent one. Maybe the solution is to move abroad. I speak Spanish and can probably find a place that is wealthy enough to have some material comfort, but poor enough to have some values."

@51 I speak Spanish, some Mandarin, and some Persian (incorrectly often referred to in English as Farsi). I've lived in Spain and been to several Spanish speaking countries and have friends from said countries. Suck it up, stay here, and fight! We'll restore a decent society, if only by starting the initial restoration by the time our time here on Earth is complete.

"I have heard millennials say they have no culture because they are white."

@60 I used to think this too until I started looking into it. We have culture. Speaking of which, I'm teaching my date tomorrow part of that culture (country western dancing).

Blogger Halifax Donair January 29, 2016 11:38 AM  

@22 One of the negatives of a Catholic education is that I never met any Jews until university. It also shaped my views on immigration, because I didn't get that the nice people who come to church are not representative of the rest of the migrants. Islam? I never paid attention until 9/11, but now Je Suis Charlie Martel.

Blogger Nate January 29, 2016 11:43 AM  

"Prior to the advent of mass mind control enabled by mass media technology, there was no real substantial differences between generations...at least not the sort that so thoroughly and contentiously divided us for the past century. "

Sorry mate. Couldn't get past the first sentence. How anyone could read any primary sourced history and come away thinking this statement is accurate is beyond me.

This isn't new. Television didn't cause it. Radio didn't cause it. Its always been thus. To claim otherwise is ignorance.

Hell its basic human nature. If it wasn't the Bible wouldn't warn against it.

Blogger Halifax Donair January 29, 2016 11:43 AM  

@22 And yes, the members of GenX that see the most clearly were raised by Silent generation parents and knew grandparents that came of age in the great depression and were adults during WW2.

Born 197X, parents born 193X. So, so, true.

Anonymous Xer January 29, 2016 11:45 AM  

"Boomer men failed to figure out how to control boomer women."

This. And they still don't.

Blogger Tom K. January 29, 2016 11:45 AM  

I am a late Boomer and have no love for the cultural chaos Boomers have created. But the blame, I think, is a little misdirected. Boomers did not create the culture they grewnuo in and lived during their late teens and twenties. That cultural mindset was actually TAUGHT to them by their parent's generation. The so-called greatest generation. But not ALL of that generation, either. It was those in position to Mass-Influence the Boomer generation that created the chaos we associate with them. It was the ideas of the Marxists and the anarchist and the narcissists if the mass marketing media that feed the Boomers the ideas they nourished and hatched and spread around the world as they came of age in the sixties and early seventies.

For example, Betty Friedan was not a Boomer, yet it was her book, The Feminine Mystique, published in, I think, 1958, that feed the minds and imaginations of that generation of housewives born in the 30s and EARLY 40s, whose parents had their children in the midst of the depression. That generation of women worked the factories during the war and afterwards were much less content as housewives and therefore easy to stir up discontent.

Timothy Leary was not a Boomer, nor was Aldous Huxley. Yet Huxely shocked that 'tweener generation with the crazy and radical ideas from "A Brave New World", even as he warned against them. And Leary was a respected doctor and researcher from Harvard when he began his crusade against the System after being enlightened by LSD.

Every generation is created and formed by the generation that birthed it. Each one is then responsible for what they do with it.

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Anonymous paleopaleo January 29, 2016 11:47 AM  

I was born in '70. The Gen-X K-12 and university experience was interesting as we witnessed the transition from the "old" teachers to the "young" ones. As kids we all hoped to get a young, hip(pie) instructor but in hind sight we know we learned so much more from the well-structured, no-nonsense approach of that older generation.
Millennials never experienced that old guard - all they've ever had is the self-esteem first, feminized, kumbaya approach.
Not to mention never having experienced grandparents engaged in making life-long marriages work, as we had.
The other thing that is fascinating is that the boomers had a quality, old-school, hickory-stick education and a church-going moral foundation and they benefitted immensely from it. Listen to the lyrics of their music. Much of it is very literate with many Western cultural references. I've talked to so many boomers who begrudgingly admit that their moral grounding came from early church exposure. Many are beginning to realize how hobbled their grandchildren are.

tl;dr the greatest boomer irony is that they benefitted beyond measure from the system and structure that they then turned around and dismantled.

Blogger Feather Blade January 29, 2016 11:51 AM  

@48 "You should only marry her if you really love her, not just because she would be a good wife!"

Face. Palm.

Anonymous Xer January 29, 2016 11:52 AM  

Boomer males are still being led around like Cucks by their second,third, etc.. "wife". And those that didn't divorce during the 80's divorce-a-thon resemble Hillbilly( Bill and Hitlery) Clintoon.

Anonymous Jack Amok January 29, 2016 12:01 PM  

[Boomers] tend to think of "change" as something that an individual does within the context of a permanent infrastructure.

Yep. Boomers, for all their complaints about their parents being squares, grew up in a functional society with an infrastructure. Their parents spoiled them, allowed them to pitch their fits and beat their childish fists against the stone foundations. They didn't make any dents, because they were children and their elders took care of all the maintenance.

So the Boomers thought that foundation was impervious - that they could restructure everything and the infrastructure that provided food, water, energy, shelter, health care, entertainment, protection from criminals, protection from invaders... all that would just naturally be there no matter what changes they made.

But when they became adults and it was their turn to maintain the infrastructure, they ignored it. Kept attacking it. And now they weren't childish fists pounding on it. They went after it with the tools of adulthood, and they destroyed it.

I could forgive Boomers in their 20's, or even early 30's not understanding the damage they were doing. I could agree with all the Boomer apologists who say earlier generations started it. I could do that if the Boomers had ever realized they were wrong. If they'd ever, as a generation, noticed things were going to shit on their watch and thought "hey, wait a minute. We're doing this wrong."

But no. The reason GenX hates Boomers with the passion we do is because the Boomer generation could never make that admission. "Wrong? Us? You're just jealous of how cool we are." And even when the consequences of their disastrous stewardship are impossible to ignore, increasingly their response is "Tough shit. I got mine."

I don't blame them for being spoiled. But I do blame them for never growing out of it.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar January 29, 2016 12:04 PM  

The Boomers are a textbook eample of spare the rod and spoil the child. Having gone through the unmitigated horrors of an unjust WWII, the vets returned home to their women who missed them and just let their kids have everything since the economy seemed unreally great due to half the World being bombed out ruins. These spoiled rotten little brats ate up the Cultural Marxist poison of the Enemy of All Life and really thought of how undeserving they were to have everything handed to them. Like a hick from the sticks they gave it away to Stone Age savages that have no place now and parasites who want them all dead.
Gen X is the Revenge Generation. We see the suckers for what they are, and see the enemy as an existential threat to all mankind. We see the savages as worthless and useless trash and feel no empathy for invaders after enduring decades of propaganda during the Cold War for resisting invasions.
An Angry Giant has awakened. Death has come to Rat City. Rivers of Blood will flow now, and nothing will stop it. Christians are told to turn their other cheek, for God will strike down your enemies. The Angel of Death has already received his instructions and has been here waiting for the Time to Come.
The Time has Come. The Angel of Death has waited a long time for this moment. The Enemy can expect NO MERCY, NO QUARTER and NO SURVIVORS. They picked their poison. Genocide.

Anonymous Xer January 29, 2016 12:09 PM  

"But now, do not consider him innocent. You are a man of wisdom; you will know what to do to him. Bring his gray head down to the grave in blood." ! Kings 2:9

Blogger CM January 29, 2016 12:11 PM  

"I have heard millennials say they have no culture because they are white."

@60 I used to think this too until I started looking into it. We have culture. Speaking of which, I'm teaching my date tomorrow part of that culture (country western dancing).


It is white Americans that have no culture.

And you are right, we do have culture. On top of the Ranch/Hunter/Western culture, we have Hollywood culture and Broadway culture. Those are all white American.

It isn't particularly sophisticated but sophistry is overrated.

Anonymous kfg January 29, 2016 12:12 PM  

"Tell them blacks had to steal the invention of peanut butter for native Americans . . . "

White guy in Montreal and another in Battle Creek. They were ignorant of Inca practice, who were the only Native Americans for which there is evidence.

White men brought peanuts to the US in the 1800s, to feed to pigs and blacks.

Blogger tz January 29, 2016 12:14 PM  

@22, I'm in the range - Great Depression grandparents, WW2 parents.

"Repairing the world".
Boy Scouts: "Leave things better than you found them".

Name any major consumer item you can actually repair yourself, if not at all.
iPhone? It is hard enough to replace the screen, much less the battery.
TV, Monitor? no.
Cars have been getting more and more impossible.

Much of this is the supercheap labor cost in China. A $10 item that takes even a few minutes to resolder a wire is easier to replace. But if we ever stopped being supplied, the lack of quality would matter. It wouldn't require too much more cost to engineer in and manufacture for repairability. But with thin margins, people want the cheapest possible and expect to throw things in the trash tomorrow when the latest model is out.

Food comes from the grocery store (until something hits that cuts the supply lines). They might be concerned about buzzwords like "cage-free" or non-GMO, but don't really understand. Fuel comes from the gas-station (so why do we need those nasty rigs, pipelines, or fracking).

I think Vox said it with time-preference. The Great Depression generation worried about decades. The millenials are decadent and might think one month in advance.

OpenID sigbouncer January 29, 2016 12:15 PM  

"GenX, on the other hand, sees that there is no permanence to the infrastructure, and that the infrastructure is not only transforming, but is imposing its changes on the individual.

The Millennial doesn't even see the cultural infrastructure, and thereby doesn't understand either the Boomer perspective or the GenX fury at the order and infrastructure they have lost."


One of the larger parts of the GenX fury from the male perspective was the substantial increase in the cost of divorce/child support payments. Our generation has seen many a man go by the wayside with hits to his income generally in the range of 30-40%, sometimes even higher. While seeing the previous costs to the Boomers in this respect more in the 10% range. And when these exorbitant costs were first becoming instituted to the male GenXers. The standard was still to give the woman the majority of the custody and child rearing responsibilities.

So for breaking the man by taking nearly half his income. His reward was seeing his child 1-2 days a week. Giving him very little influence on their upbringing. Along with being painted the villain to the child by the mother in many cases. Despite the financial support he may have provided for their well being. I've seen many guys who never fully recovered from this. Whether it be due to the financial cost, or the cost of losing his children to the court system.

Blogger LP999 S.I.G. Burnin' Up Gold, Cooling Under Snow January 29, 2016 12:15 PM  

It could be the WV side effect but our Millennials are good but they say, "I'm retired." It seems, and of course I'm wrong but stateside Mil'lens envision no employment, no future but a week to week future of strife, suffering and grief.

Was this supposed to be their youth? No.

In Europe the youth are energized with fire in their eyes starting companies that produce a good or service.

Their youth are beautiful not as drugged, their genxers understand the structural changes.

For examples in some lands like Russia, the youth of euro has their own strong leadership nationalistic that want a future. I want a future regardless of the terrible policies of the past 50 years.

Blogger tz January 29, 2016 12:17 PM  

@18 this s*** was centuries in the making.
The horrors of cultural constipation.
Western Civilization was centuries in the making, as was the Roman Empire.
What takes centuries to construct, a few barbarians can burn down in a few days.

Blogger Timmy3 January 29, 2016 12:23 PM  

Why does it seem like Whites have no culture? They actually do have a culture that's within its media properties. The culture from its religious traditions has lessened, thus taking out much of what was great about America and the western world. Now, they read and watch trash.

Blogger rumpole5 January 29, 2016 12:30 PM  

You are not living in an era where all societal structure has been destroyed. All of the great texts of the ancients that survived the fall of the Roman Empires are still available to you. All of the great Western texts authored in the last 1600 years are also on hand. If you are under 18 find a Classical Christian school and enroll, if you are of college age get a copy of "Choosing the Right College" by Intercolegiate Studies and go to one of the classical core colleges that they recommend. If you are a post or non college adult, get a copy of the St. John College reading list and start reading. Join a church that adheres to traditional doctrine.

The Boomers are irrelevant oldsters. You are wasting your precious time even thinking about them, but they did give you a smartphone that puts the wisdom of the ages right in the palm of you hand. Stop with the games and porn and get to task. If you don't like the culture, then change it.

Blogger LP999 S.I.G. Burnin' Up Gold, Cooling Under Snow January 29, 2016 12:36 PM  

We remain in a economic depression by many indicators. Genx has checked out for a reason, we know stateside lies of how great things appear is deception. We've checked out from whats not as important.

So remaining in objective observation mode is the way for rational thought to survive. Being plugged in to a phone yet unread is all bad.

Not all adults under 48 know this.

The Men-xers are rightfully disgusted at feminism, somewhat untrusting of their women who want to love them and do for them. Yet the trust is broken. Evil made boomers promote the lack of trust between the sexes tearing us apart.

I thank God for the sanity and objectivity of Wright, Beau, Salt. Roosh, ChateauHeartsite, (past) Ferd, Dalrock, countless other MRA's speaking sanity. Hawaiian libertarian, isteve, danger and play and others are at least communicating rational thought in a time when its idiots galore. Please, men, lead.

Blogger Cogitans Iuvenis January 29, 2016 12:48 PM  

@7

GenX fury... I think millenials will, eventually share our fury. They just aren't mature enough, yet, to see what boomers destroyed

It's already happening, who do you think the readership are for places like RoK or any other manosphere website. I'm a millennial and here is what I can say from my observations, millennials as a whole don't necessary understand how damaged our society is, but many sense that something is wrong. Within the millennial population there is a subset who do realize that their culture is being destroyed by cultural Marxists and they are being sold into bondage to pay for our forefathers lack of financial prudence, and those millennials are pissed.

Anonymous Quartermaster January 29, 2016 12:50 PM  

@83
"The Boomers are irrelevant oldsters."

Like it or not, what is being built is being built on what the Boomers built. The infrastructure that allows those classical texts to be available is a result of the efforts of boomers. That includes this blog.

Blogger tz January 29, 2016 12:51 PM  

@80 - I thought most of "the youth" were recently imported from the mid-east.

There is no evidence the demographics have changed, or if so, for the worse. Having 1.2 children per couple insures demographic suicide. In that they can command higher wages for doing things reminds me of the period just after the black death when there were so few survivors they commanded higher wages. Being busy providing goods and services but not babies?

There are two sides of the demographic destruction. The first as above is for parents to both have careers, and spend quality time (I used a stopwatch and you can check my spreadsheet log!) with their one or two children. The other side is the single mothers with a large brood. These are usually not the ones you want having children, and not the children you would want.

How is that going to make a dent in the mass of migrants who have a wife and children ready to apply to come in, as well as the rape-concubines they will acquire. The Euro girls, lets just say the Islamic Invaders are likely to make more use of their eggs than the natives.

Something Vox pointed out in his Selenoth series (I forget which work specifically) is that Orcs and Elves require very different strategies. Orcs just breed and brutally overwhelm. Elves are really, really concerned with insuring zero-casulties. When the current generation in Europe is often only-children or a pair, it is much harder to take any risks. And although you can call the invaders "Orcs", they aren't stupid or ignorant, and although you can pretend the spoiled Europeans are "Elves", they really don't have any magic, super-powers, or anything else making them intrinsically better at most forms of war (especially with our side giving one tribe of orcs something like stinger missiles). And that assumes that the police and politicians stop fighting on the side of the Orcs tomorrow, not a decade from now. If it is 1,000 elves v.s. 100,000 orcs, I won't immediately bet on the elves even if they are fired up.

I think the US is probably saved since I expect Trump to win in a landslide (yes, it will nuke the constitution too, but we can reestablish that once the crater stops glowing since the establishment will be nuked too). I'm not sure Europe will even ask for help this time. If it follows the previous path, Germany attacks France (if they expel the invaders, they have to go somewhere), enough will also use the Chunnel before and after ShariaVichy is imposed, our anglo-saxon relatives will scream "Help!", and we come in and fix things. Now it might not repeat. But if the Papacy can move to Avangion, it can see if their estranged cousins in Salt Lake City might take them in.

In any case, women are the key to saving civilization. Men can only fight and die. Women are the ones that nurture life. There are precious few that have the fire in their eyes to raise a brood of philosopher-kings and queens, at least in most areas.

Anonymous Mr. Rational January 29, 2016 1:00 PM  

@11 They can, if they wish to, manufacture a generation gap in a single year.

I actually saw this happen.  My elementary school had a book club.  When I first saw it, it had a bunch of action-adventure stuff on the list (appealing to boys).  Then one year many of those books were replaced with paeans to victimology with very similar titles.  I read the descriptions and thought, "Why would anyone want to read this?"  Essentially, they replaced Henry Ford with Helen Keller.

The SJWs accomplished three things in one stroke:  they feminized the youth culture, elevated the victim over the maker and doer, and turned off boys to reading for pleasure.  We could probably do a great deal to reverse this just by filling libraries with Kipling, Jack London and the like.

@52 I don't think Michigan has a constitutional provision on quality of education. Not that it matters.

It's bad students, not bad schools.  There's no way to teach the educable fraction without measures that would have gross "disparate impact" on dey baybeez.

Blogger Chris Ritchie January 29, 2016 1:10 PM  

"and thereby doesn't understand either the Boomer perspective or the GenX fury at the order and infrastructure they have lost."

As a solid member of GenX, I love the word 'fury.' That is precisely what I felt after I grew up and the blinders came off. My parents are typical Boomers: Multiple divorces, and an inability to take responsibility and say "I was wrong," lax morals, and the rest of it.

There's room for redemption and things are better now for them (my parents) than they were, but the divide is still there and always will be.

I was just saying to my wife this morning that I feel we're part of the Remnant. We won't be able to change everything, but we are doing our best to raise our multiple children to love God and survive the coming chaos to rebuild a better culture. I waited to marry until I found a woman who would be a good wife. And it's amazing how the love grows from that common understanding of God and goals.

For me, this isn't about Boomer bashing. We simply see their mistakes and do our best to limit their influence in the lives of our children. Not that they want to come around much anyway. Their selfishness and narcissism prevents them from seeing their grandchildren as a blessing. They see them as a burden, much like they did their own children. I almost pity them.

Blogger RobertT January 29, 2016 1:11 PM  

Generational Differences chart
http://www.wmfc.org/uploads/GenerationalDifferencesChart.pdf

Blogger Matamoros January 29, 2016 1:11 PM  

My parents grew up during the depression and taught us kids to be strong, independent and that a man was to fulfill his duties and responsibilities.

I was born after WWII and in turn taught my kids the same as I was taught.

I have never understood this boomer idea, or other generational b.s. A man is only a man when he accepts and fulfills his duties and responsibilities. Same for females being real women.

My children have grown into fine men and women with families of their own. Of course we are also traditional Catholics and proud of our heritage. A.D.M.G.

Anonymous The OASF January 29, 2016 1:11 PM  

@65

I really hope this is just one of your trolling expeditions?

The elites tried to crush the masses by corrupting social, political and economic institutions and failed miserably. But they may yet have found the winning combination through media technology and cultural Marxism. These are not new ideas. The Bible points to a time when "men will have lost heart." We are in those times - and these times are unique.

Read Pat Buchanan's Death of the West for a much more eloquent explanation. He analyzes the question that you noted as such: Did these fractures already exist in US (Western) culture prior to the social revolutions of the 60s, or did the schemes noted above cause those fractures? The overwhelming evidence is that the fractures did not exist until the elites were able to successfully poison our culture.

Blogger RobertT January 29, 2016 1:13 PM  

Strengths & weaknesses
http://www.businessinsider.com/how-millennials-gen-x-and-boomers-shape-the-workplace-2013-9

Blogger kmbr January 29, 2016 1:21 PM  

I had a client a few years ago who was a professor who went around the country and gave talks on understanding the millennials for employers, basically the jist of it.

For some reason one day I cracked open one of the little books he handed out at the seminars. Holy crap. I couldn't even believe what I was reading.

In a nutshell, it said, "Please understand millennials don't like time restraints, don't like to work hard, don't put in long hours, don't like rules, showing up on time or sometimes at all, they don't like telephone talking, making eye contact, interpersonal relationships, etc. BUT once you do accept ALL this, please realize how much the millennial has to offer your company.

So bizarre.

Blogger S Ss January 29, 2016 1:29 PM  

Allow me to do the work of clarifying VD's neuroses:

"It also might help explain the way in which Boomers in my head are totally unable to understand me and the succeeding generations in my head as well as the contempt in which Boomers are held by me; the Boomers in my head simply don't perceive that anything structural has changed.

They tend to think of "change" as something that an individual does within the context of a permanent infrastructure. I, on the other hand, see that there is no permanence to the infrastructure, and that the infrastructure is not only transforming, but is imposing its changes on the individual.

The Millennial in my head doesn't even see the cultural infrastructure, and thereby doesn't understand either the Boomer perspective or the GenX fury at the order and infrastructure they have lost.

Blogger James Dixon January 29, 2016 1:30 PM  

> People say Nixon lost because Kennedy looked good on TV.

The polls taken of radio listeners said Nixon won the debates. The polls of TV watchers said Kennedy did.


> The future becomes self evident if you will only look and listen. We, all of us, know what is coming. These days it doesn't take a prophet to point it out. It isn't hidden.

"The words of the prophets are written on the subway walls... And tenement halls...."

> We don't have to worry so much about plagues,...

I can only wish that were true. :( I expect another major plague before the end of this century, assuming war or starvation doesn't kill off and equivalent number first.

> Sorry mate. Couldn't get past the first sentence. How anyone could read any primary sourced history and come away thinking this statement is accurate is beyond me.

Meredith agrees.

Blogger Doktor Jeep January 29, 2016 1:34 PM  

"The Millennial doesn't even see the cultural infrastructure, and thereby doesn't understand either the Boomer perspective or the GenX fury at the order and infrastructure they have lost."


This is why millenials can be fooled into the notion that Gen-Xers are "a bunch of angry white men clinging to their privilege".

No. Gen-X got given to the keys to the car after the baby boomers neutral-dropped it, parked stopped it, ran the gas out of it, left is in the rain with the windows open, and never changed the oil.

That is, we got to be there for all the outsourcing of careers and insourcing of cheap labor while boomers wondered why we "could not hold down a job" or were "so unmotivated. Gone are the days of "getting a job in the factory/mail room after coming home from military service and working your way up for 30 years". But who was it worried about "THE BOTTOM LINE!" and investing in all of those companies that boosted their stocks with downsizing? Who was it that joined up with powerful unions to have their cake and eat it too so that hiring Americans is super expensive, even for simple jobs?
Who was it that voted for all that socialism making it too expensive to start a business? How about those quotas? How about that maternity leave?


But I must say that millenials actually have it easier. No, they don't have opportunities and land of plenty.

What millenials have over Gen-X is that they don't have a carrot on a stick to trick them.

You see, Gen-X still had remnants of "the dream", so to speak. There were still a few NAWALTS left, it was actually possible, if you found that right nook or cranny, to get a job and keep it for a few decades, or if you got "in" on a career at the right time and place in the 1990s, you might still have it now (if it was "services" - every two seconds in the 1990s "services industry! services industry! services industry!" being pushed by boomers trying to make it seem like a good idea.)

We still had, back then, a chance to actually take credit or blame for our lives. Mindset still mattered, you wanted that carrot, you had to push, but the trap was already set. Yes you'll dedicate your life to that company and work yourself into poor health, but you'll still get cut anyway. Yes you'll marry that NAWALT with the intention of being that good husband and father, but she'll watch too much Oprah and get fat and divorce rape you anyway.

The millenials at least don't have the carrot and the stick. The boomers are too old for them to take seriously now, and there are too many pictures of the boomers being asses from their hippie days floating around.

The carrot is gone, and they are being beaten with the stick. I can't blame millenials for anything, except for one thing: they complain as if that will change things. It won't change a damned thing. I'm not saying "get a job and get married blah blah blah". I'm saying "Your world is fucked. Adapt to survive, any way you can."

Blogger S Ss January 29, 2016 1:43 PM  

There have been "Millennial" professors for ten years. What is up with all these people stuck in 2005 or whatever

Blogger ThirdMonkey January 29, 2016 1:49 PM  

Homeschool or Die.

With both parents at work, the kids at school, the family home has transformed into a hostel. This, more than anything, has transformed our culture. Fathers are no longer the primary teachers, wives are subject to their employers, and children are surrounded by their stupid peers and low-intelligence "teachers" all day.

And then we double down and have Sunday School, youth group, singles, married, divorced, and senior adults groups at church. We split up the family and the generations the minute they walk in the door. In 25+ years of being a Christian, I've never been to a church that didn't do this. Maybe it's time for HomeChurch or Die.

Blogger Doktor Jeep January 29, 2016 1:50 PM  

@75

"But no. The reason GenX hates Boomers with the passion we do is because the Boomer generation could never make that admission. "Wrong? Us? You're just jealous of how cool we are." And even when the consequences of their disastrous stewardship are impossible to ignore, increasingly their response is "Tough shit. I got mine."

I don't blame them for being spoiled. But I do blame them for never growing out of it."


You got that right, brother. The "I got mine" syndrome is rampant with the boomers. Most of the boomers I meet these days are still only caring onlyabout their Harley, their RV, their boat, etc. All the while America collapses around them. Not all boomers though. I asked a friend who is almost 60 about this, he says that the only thing that will wake his generation up is if gas goes up to 7 bucks a gallon so they can't fuel their RVs or 4x4 with campers and boats and the government allows the banks to do a "bail in" and take their savings accounts.

"I got mine" has to be one of the four horsemen of the American Apocalypse.

Blogger SciVo January 29, 2016 1:51 PM  

Incidentally, Hillary Clinton's campaign manager -- who happens to be Gen-X -- is having a major freak out:

“If Donald Trump takes the Republican nomination, our party will lose more than the presidency,” Robby Mook writes to supporters.

"Years of progress will be ripped away. Obamacare will be repealed. Marriage equality will be rolled back. Get excited to visit the wall on the Mexico border — and get ready to pay for it if President Trump can’t magically get Mexico to cough up the cash for it.”


This is relevant because it appears that Gen-X gets Trump better than anyone. (Though more of his supporters are Boomers, just because it's such a big generation.)

It's funny/sad that he says all that like it's a bad thing, but it's downright hilarious/pathetic that he's already "thinking past the sale": Trump nomination == Trump Presidency and big changes. Talk about living rent-free in someone's mind!

Blogger S Ss January 29, 2016 2:07 PM  

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Blogger S Ss January 29, 2016 2:11 PM  

I think many of the supposed "unique generational traits" of "Millennials" are exaggerated if not outright fabricated. Having said that, it's also true that as the boombooms retire and the millies come to make up the bulk of the workforce, business culture will obviously change whether whoever wants it to or not. Business culture, like any culture, is not static. Make an elderly friend and bring him to your office one of these days. I'm sure he will find more than a few things to be a culture shock, and I'm not just talking about technological change. Off the top of my head, the extent of informality that is ubiquitous today was unthinkable a few generations ago: almost universal usage of first names as opposed to Mr/Mrs... ties being seen as stuffy, etc. I'm sure you could make your own list. Most of these things aren't really good or bad; they just *are*. The changes that the "Millennials" are ushering in aren't really different than anything in the past. Nothing is permanent.

But I'll get off your lawn now, gramps ;)

Anonymous kfg January 29, 2016 2:15 PM  

"BUT once you do accept ALL this, please realize how much the millennial has to offer your company."

Dissolution and bankruptcy?

Anonymous BGKB January 29, 2016 2:24 PM  

We don't have to worry so much about plagues,...

And here I thought low IQ 3rdworlders getting free meds but not being smart enough to take them correctly leading to diseases white man's medicine cant cure, was a monomania of mine. Send free meds to Africa to get drug resistant diseases and the next AIDS.

Anonymous Soga January 29, 2016 2:25 PM  

@105

Leftist salt is the best seasoning for Trumped beef. But yes, that's awesome that even Hillary's campaign manager is already thinking of a Trump nomination as an autowin.

And I love his doomsaying. I think I'm gonna genuinely be excited to take a vacation to the Great Trump Wall and take many pictures in front of the gold-gilded gate. And what a story to tell my kids!

"Gather 'round, little ones, and hear of how your father fought under the valiant leadership of the Supreme Dark Lord to elect the Golden King of America to rule over America benevolently for all eternity."

Blogger Cataline Sergius January 29, 2016 2:39 PM  

Millenial professors will be like something out of Idiocracy or Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure.

What is indeed and truly terrifying is that there will one day be Millennial Justices.

Ha Ha Ha

Who am I kidding? America will have collapsed long before that.

Blogger LP999 S.I.G. Burnin' Up Gold, Cooling Under Snow January 29, 2016 2:39 PM  

We never forgave or forgot the 2007/2008 bailouts - that was such an asinine legal theft scene it boggles the mind.

Blogger kh123 January 29, 2016 2:46 PM  

"...still only caring only about their Harley, their RV, their boat, etc."

Wonder if some form of the current situation had a part in why viking funerals took hold. "Yup, here are all of those shiny toys you had in life. Now enjoy the ride, stay warm!"

Blogger LP999 S.I.G. Burnin' Up Gold, Cooling Under Snow January 29, 2016 3:05 PM  

The frustrations of many is that some xers just want the silence, boomsbooms with great insensitivity and pomp wont shut up. However we value the wisdom of old.

Anonymous Baby boomer santa January 29, 2016 3:45 PM  

https://youtu.be/WubipAvRrp8

Blogger tublecane January 29, 2016 4:20 PM  

One of the effects of mass mind control, as brought up in the original post, is the idea of generation-this and generation-that. Babies are born constantly, and dividing them based on the criteria of time can be quite arbitrary. I see the truth in bunching them together based on shared experience, and we've had a few mass experiences in the past 80 or so years that correspond roughly to generations as we've defined them. The "greatest generation" had the depression and world war, the baby boom was a real demographic anomaly, and coinciding with the rise of boomers in the past thirty or so years we've had what has been called the "great disruption" and the cocooning of society. But don't let's run wild.

My parents were born in '47 and '51, which makes me a generation x--a terribly insulting nickname dreamt up, I assume, by boomers--by definition, I think. But I always felt they were a little old for me. The term "generation y"--an even more insulting, if possible, nickname, as at least there's coolness in the letter "x"--was thrown around for awhile, then inexplicably abandoned. I never thought "millennial" applied to me, but I did graduate high school in 2000. Considering there haven't been enough years in the new millennium to grow an adult and the fact that I wasn't an adult in the 90s, why not call me millennial? I can remember a time with no internet in my house, but that was before puberty. I qualify on several fronts.

Here's my point, how can a fella belong to three different generations? Because they're making this stuff up as they go. As much as anything it's an advertising gimmick, plus something for talking heads to yell about. Even the Youth in Revolt from the sixties can't lend it all that much credence; the troublemakers were but a fraction of the total youth population.

Like I said, though, the demographic change that was the boom was real, and it makes sense to set apart and name that generation. They took that reality and tried to apply it to each new (arbitrarily selected) batch of youngsters, which is illegitimate. There was another real change, what might be called the Cocooning of America, under the boomers' watch. But it happened gradually, during which time the mass media invented three new generation labels. "Y" has gone down the memory hole, redistributed amongst gen-xers and millennial. These two remaining groups aren't as divided as people make them out to be. They experienced the same thing from different ends. The far end has never known things as they were, but there are plenty in the middle who got at least a taste.

Anonymous kfg January 29, 2016 4:37 PM  

"The far end has never known things as they were . . ."

The "Homeland" generation are now entering high school, and weren't even born yet on 9/11. To them the smartphone tracked, Orwellian SJW police state of Soma swilling gay headmates is normal and proper.

And anyone who doesn't think so is a fascist.

It's gonna be a Brave New World.

OpenID sigbouncer January 29, 2016 5:25 PM  

"My parents were born in '47 and '51, which makes me a generation x--a terribly insulting nickname dreamt up, I assume, by boomers--by definition, I think."


GenerationX = Generation Ecstasy.

We are the Generation of the Ecstasy drug. X remained legal well into the mid 1980's. I remember working clubs in Dallas Texas such as Amnesia's and others where you could buy tabs on your credit card.

Dallas also had an outlet at the time called Eve Plus where they sold tabs of "Eve" for $10 a hit. Eve which really wasn't even close to X gave a minor rush and was sold as an alternative at the time. X at the time generally sold for $20-$40 a tab or hit. With the "wafers" and "turbos" being the tabs of choice.

Yep, for anyone on the scene in the late 70's to mid 80's. GenX will always be named as such because we were Generation Ecstasy.

Blogger Aeoli Pera January 29, 2016 5:31 PM  

When people say every generation has complained about the previous generation since Socrates, try pointing out that human crania have been steadily shrinking for 40,000 years. Then enjoy watching the hamster spin.

"But, but, see we're also smaller and weaker, which means we must be smarter now to make up for it!"

Blogger Aeoli Pera January 29, 2016 5:33 PM  

"Previous" generation should be "next". Weird mistake.

Anonymous Pavel January 29, 2016 5:33 PM  

And what has Gen X done besides bitch about the boomers? The oldest echelon of Gen X just turned 50. You guys have been around long enough to have done something about the problem, but instead you just keep blaming your parents.

OpenID sigbouncer January 29, 2016 5:38 PM  

"And what has Gen X done besides bitch about the boomers?"

We gave the world the smartphone, the Internet and the social media revolution. In return, the world called us slackers. Is there any wonder we're bitter?

http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/19/opinions/generation-opinion-roundup/

Anonymous Pavel January 29, 2016 5:45 PM  

"We gave the world the smartphone."

Wow. A phone with a fucking browser. Hooray for you.

"the Internet"

The internet was build on work done by the boomers and the silent generation.

"and the social media revolution."

Calling something a "revolution" doesn't make it impressive. A bunch of twats on facebook is hardly something to brag about.

Blogger Unknown January 29, 2016 5:46 PM  

The world is Satan's domain. Everything in it is perishing, which has been the case since Adam and Eve decided it was OK to disobey God and trust their own judgement about what's good and what's not. We can think of a billion ways to blame the boomers but what we're really doing is shooting down the oldest generation left alive for Satan's handiwork and sending them full of sorrow to their graves. This is how the devil's plan unfolds.

Mike and the Mechanics are a Boomer band. Mike Rutherford, the vocalist, laments that "every generation blames the one before for all of their frustrations..." So blindingly obvious, yet a profound and heartbreaking mistake many of us will make.

We are all Boomers in the making. The foolishness of losing respect for the generations that are passing away is for the godless. Don't let it happen...it is your children and grandchildren that will suffer the most.

Or to put it in Gen X language, it's the best possible way to secure a cell for your children in the dungeons of Mordor while the marauding armies of orcs burn the forests, enslave the fair maidens and blight the fertile plains.

Blogger kh123 January 29, 2016 6:01 PM  

Well, looks like CVS must have closed early today. Here they come, right on schedule.

OpenID sigbouncer January 29, 2016 6:08 PM  

@121

http://gizmodo.com/5851062/generation-x-is-sick-of-your-bullshit

But Generation X is tired of your sense of entitlement. Generation X also graduated during a recession. It had even shittier jobs, and actually had to pay for its own music. (At least, when music mattered most to it.) Generation X is used to being fucked over. It lost its meager savings in the dot-com bust. Then came George Bush, and 9/11, and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Generation X bore the brunt of all that. And then came the housing crisis.

Generation X wasn't surprised. Generation X kind of expected it.

Generation X is a journeyman. It didn't invent hip hop, or punk rock, or even electronica (it's pretty sure those dudes in Kraftwerk are boomers) but it perfected all of them, and made them its own. It didn't invent the Web, but it largely built the damn thing. Generation X gave you Google and Twitter and blogging. Not that it gets any credit.


And we did what we did as a Generation from a shorter 14 year time frame. Whilst you Boomers span 22 years and what have you to show for it?

Blogger justaguy January 29, 2016 6:21 PM  

Each generation blames the last one that those oldsters didn't fix all of the problems, and meanwhile Ted Kennedy laughs in his grave as the US is already well on its way to becoming a third world culture/nation due to massive immigration since 1965. Don't affix blame to a generation, things have been going wrong for over a century. Find solutions and fight for your tribe and culture. Human nature and how we react with each other hasn't changed, just the pace of change.

Blogger Rusty Fife January 29, 2016 6:34 PM  

@ Quartermaster

Like it or not, what is being built is being built on what the Boomers built.

Why does this make me think of Venice?

Blogger dfordoom January 29, 2016 6:57 PM  

@10. Christopher Yost

I agree with the idea of modern media "helping" with the constant change in our culture but I got the feeling of a belief of conspiracy within it which I don't support.

The media have done more than help. And it's vital to remember that the media didn't suddenly become anti-western and anti-Christian in the 1960s. It started long before that. You might want to take a look at the degeneracy in Hollywood movies in the early 1930s. That came to a temporary, partial, halt in 1934 with the Production Code. Once the Production Code collapsed at the beginning of the 60s Hollywood returned to doing what it wanted to do - spreading cultural poison.

This had nothing whatever to do with the Boomers. The push to undermine the Production Code was well underway by the mid-50s.

Had the Production Code not intervened temporarily Hollywood would have been pushing its destructive agenda right through the 30s, 40s and 50s. The desire to destroy our civilisation was there in Hollywood as early as the 1920s.

You might also want to look at what was happening in British television in the early 1960s, with more and more subtle (and not-so-subtle) left-wing propaganda creeping into even apparently innocuous light entertainment programming. The cultural elites in Britain were already using the media to undermine British society even back then.

There was also the enthusiastic support for the Bolshevik regime on the part of American journalists during the 1920s and 30s.

The media has been the enemy of civilisation for the past century.

Blogger dfordoom January 29, 2016 7:37 PM  

@67. Nate

This isn't new. Television didn't cause it. Radio didn't cause it. Its always been thus. To claim otherwise is ignorance.

Not really. A certain amount of rebelliousness in youth is human nature but in the normal course of events the rebellious young people grow out of their rebel phase and turn into responsible adults.

That started to change in the 18th century as Christianity began its long slow death and started to get replaced by secular religions. The Enlightenment, The Romantic Movement, the cult of the Doomed Creative Genius Destroyed by the Philistines (more or less invented by Shelley and Byron), the insane cult of democracy, marxism and the other secular religions that have followed changed things radically.

Youth rebelled, but increasingly they stopped growing up and becoming responsible adults. They didn't just go through a phase of rebelling against traditional values and traditional structures - they abandoned those traditions permanently. By the mid-19th century we already see the phenomenon of middle-aged men who had never grown out of their rebel phase (read Dostoyevsky's THE POSSESSED).

By the beginning of the 20th century Christianity was an empty shell. Secular religions had taken over. And all secular religions have one thing in common - a belief that society can be remade. And remaking society requires as a first step the destruction of existing social structures and values.

This was a new thing and it started with clowns like Voltaire and Rousseau. The intellectuals, the priesthood of the secular religions.

Blogger dfordoom January 29, 2016 7:45 PM  

@78. CM

we have Hollywood culture and Broadway culture. Those are all white American.

Hollywood culture is probably the most degenerate, debased and toxic culture ever devised by man. Hollywood has made a greater contribution to the destruction of western civilisation than any other institution in history. And, amazingly enough, Hollywood was not created by the Boomers.

Anonymous Pavel January 29, 2016 8:14 PM  

@124

Generation X sure likes to hear itself talk. Generation X built with the tools the Boomers game them, and Generation X is also largely the reason for the housing crisis. Generation X gave us the insipid music of the 90's and 2000's.

Blogger Aeoli Pera January 29, 2016 9:15 PM  

A certain amount of rebelliousness in youth is human nature but in the normal course of events the rebellious young people grow out of their rebel phase and turn into responsible adults.

No, it's not. Teenage rebellion is a response of adults being treated like children. If you keep doing this until they're 25 when the frontal lobe loses its plasticity, then what you get is a stunted SJW of a human being.

Blogger Rusty Fife January 29, 2016 9:15 PM  

Sweet. After it hits 200 comments I'll start pounding on the Boomers self reference fetishism again. There will be tons of material.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 29, 2016 9:24 PM  

Broadway is (((Gay))) Culture. Hollywood is (((Culture))).
Neither was created by straight White men

Blogger LP999 S.I.G. Burnin' Up Gold, Cooling Under Snow January 29, 2016 9:50 PM  

130 Sort of like venting less than talking or complaining. Gen x wanted to remain quiet or not so damn in need of affirmations, self love or whatever it was called back then. Gen x just wanted to speed through the annoying years, remain adults and bear with boomers. Futures and all that.

Blogger SciVo January 29, 2016 10:00 PM  

justaguy @125: Don't affix blame to a generation, things have been going wrong for over a century.

No shit, sherlock. And the Boomers, with their overwhelming numbers, have been standing squarely in the way of us fixing it for our entire lives.

And even making it worse! Now we can't fix marriage at all. It was remotely possible to undo no-fault divorce and reform family courts, but now thousands of years of tradition have been thrown away and "marriage" (which is for supporting family formation) has been granted by FedGov to the sodomites and carpet munchers (on the false premise that marriage is about romance).

And FedGov-imposed abortion -- how many tens of millions of Americans killed by that murder-for-hire scheme, again? -- is only a symptom. All that blood covers the hands of the fools that enacted women's suffrage. One of our nation's worst sins, right up there with slavery and the Indian genocide.

And here we are, squeezed between two generations twice our size, so that we will have a very brief period of time to fix a century's worth of travesties.

Fuck. You. All.

OpenID sigbouncer January 29, 2016 10:09 PM  

"Generation X gave us the insipid music of the 90's and 2000's."

We'll be fine listening to Green Day, Radiohead, Foo Fighters, Alice in Chains, Nirvana, Pantera (Circle in the Square - Coors with a Crown back to ya Dime!). While you Boomers sit in your hole listening to your Disco, George Michael and Boy George.

OpenID sigbouncer January 29, 2016 10:15 PM  

@130

"and Generation X is also largely the reason for the housing crisis."

Instead of devoting the budget surpluses of the late '90s to social programs that desperately needed them, Boomers voted themselves tax cuts in 2001 and 2003, and an expanded Medicare benefit shortly after--a move a Congressional Budget Office study from that era suggests raised the expected tax rate on future generations from 29 percent to 53 percent. They borrowed heavily to cope with the economic sluggishness of the 2000s and, in so doing, inflated a housing bubble that, when it popped, triggered the Great Recession.

And Congress? Well, Capitol Hill is where I realize I'll win this trial. Baby boomers chose the leaders currently paralyzing Washington, and those leaders are, by and large, boomers. My father's cohort has formed a generational majority in every Congress since the dawn of the George W. Bush administration. Electorally, boomers vote in dramatically larger numbers than anyone else. The Census Bureau reports there were 81 million Americans ages 45 to 64 in 2010, of whom slightly more than half voted. They made up about 43 percent of the electorate--almost as much as those 25 to 44 and those 65 and older combined.

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/10/who-destroyed-the-economy-the-case-against-the-baby-boomers/263291/

Blogger LP999 S.I.G. Burnin' Up Gold, Cooling Under Snow January 29, 2016 10:30 PM  

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Blogger Miss Carnivorous January 29, 2016 10:34 PM  

I will always remember reading an article about Patrick Swayze. After his success in the movie "Dirty Dancing", someone invited him to a "party". " Great, I'll bring my wife", he said. "Why would you want to bring your wife?", the invitee asked in bewilderment. "Because, where I come from, you hang out with your wife", Swayze replied. That man was happily married til the day he died.

Blogger Young Heaving Bosoms of Liberty January 29, 2016 10:38 PM  

@105. S Ss

Shut up, Gabrielle Guthrie.

Blogger SciVo January 29, 2016 10:40 PM  

LP999 @138: Neoplascitisty is an interest of mine. I am trying to undo a stroke or reprogram bad or sick programming.

That is awesome. I'm confident that you'll punch your bad neural nets in the face, and construct big beautiful heuristics in their place.

Blogger LP999 S.I.G. Burnin' Up Gold, Cooling Under Snow January 29, 2016 11:11 PM  

Wow, what a trigger topic, rules LP, rules. I'm sorry, I just want my parents back but I must accept the age and decline.

Edit: neuroplasticity is an interest of mine. I am trying to undo a stroke or reprogram bad or sick programming. It is no longer upsetting that I cannot change or undo the older persons mind, I guess they know better. Still hurts.

It can't be the point but its like McRapeySJW's etc., its stunted growth. Our beloved boomers stunted the culture but its nothing I blame them about, its fallen, a fallen deceptive mind control system.

Using observation and objectivity I can understand that we all saw our parents laid off and their spectrum of emotions would be mostly the same if not predictable. Raising children as boomers, some boomers like a percent of humanity have some kind of mental illness or poor programming or bad grooming.

Aging, not working or working or whatever, why can't they just quiet down and enjoy retirement or silence? I dont know what to say about my hobbies or anything. I don't know how to reply for my employment or lack thereof. I'm bereft. Like pretty in austerity.


After starting 3 wars, destroying economics and exporting cultural decline I cannot blame one person only to say that poor leadership, poor policies created spectacle level disasters.

I reject the cultural decline, age, death, dying, pearls cannot be made from irritation, its too painful. I resign myself to let this topic go, its wonderful therapy that moves me forward as everywhere else does the boomer worship when we and I have loved dearly. When's its enough -

Blogger dfordoom January 29, 2016 11:11 PM  

@93. Matamoros

I have never understood this boomer idea, or other generational b.s.

The generation thing is irrelevant. It wasn't a particular generation that ruined things. It was a small minority and that minority has been busily doing its work of social destruction for a couple of hundred years. The small minority is the intellectuals. The self-elected cultural elite. They've been burrowing into the universities, the media, the bureaucracy, the entertainment industry, the art establishment. Anywhere they can influence the culture.

They were a very small minority in the 19th century but they started to multiply in the 20th century with the (exceedingly foolish) expansion of academia. Universities started to churn out thousands of utterly useless arts graduates. Such people knew they were useless. They have always known they are useless. That's what fuels their hate. They were completely unqualified for gainful employment but they wanted to run the world. And they got themselves into positions where they could influence the culture to such a extent that they could run the world. This kind of entryism has been happening on a large scale since the 1920s.

These parasites are represented in every generation. They started to gain real power in the 70s, which led to the (entirely false) assumption that this had something to do with the Baby Boom. The only connection was that the Boomers grew up in an era when way too many people were going to university and imbibing the cultural poison of the cultural elites. The generations that grew up in the postwar era therefore had a higher percentage of these parasites. But they were still a minority. They still are. That doesn't matter. A tiny disciplined highly motivated minority can exert enormous power. The Bolsheviks conquered Russia in 1917 despite the fact that they never numbered more than a relative handful of adherents.

Inter-generational squabbling serves the purposes of the elites very well indeed. It distracts attention from what really happened and what is still happening.

Anonymous A Visitor January 29, 2016 11:22 PM  

@94 No, that was not a trolling expedition on my part. I meant everything I said. I haven't read Death of the West though I have read Suicide of a Superpower.

Blogger ChicagoRefugee January 29, 2016 11:38 PM  

Instead of devoting the budget surpluses of the late '90s to social programs that desperately needed them,

Because giving more money to government would have solved everything!

*eyeroll*

Blogger dfordoom January 30, 2016 12:01 AM  

@131. Aeoli Pera

No, it's not. Teenage rebellion is a response of adults being treated like children. If you keep doing this until they're 25 when the frontal lobe loses its plasticity, then what you get is a stunted SJW of a human being.

I don't really think we're in serious disagreement. The type of teen rebellion I'm talking about is what happens in the transitional period between childhood and adulthood. It's not a wholesale rejection of the values of the previous generation. It's more a matter of asserting one's own identity.

You're quite correct in saying that if it's allowed to go until the age of 25 or so the results will be disastrous.

That's why universities are so dangerous. They keep people in a state of artificial adolescence. Universities should be for the very small number of people who need to be trained as doctors, engineers, etc. Maybe five percent of the population at most. Most universities should be shut down. They're simply mass incubators for SJWs. Most university students should be working at real jobs in the real world, not majoring in Social Justice Basketweaving.

The mass expansion of higher education began in the late 1940s. It was a catastrophic mistake.

OpenID sigbouncer January 30, 2016 1:09 AM  

@145

Yeah the writer was obviously of a liberal bias. But the rest of the paragraph/s effectively showed the Boomer faults in the housing crisis. Which is what was being responded to.

Anonymous Millenium January 30, 2016 2:38 AM  

As a millenial the generalisations here are a joke. Where do you all get your stereotypes from? If its from the media then you ought to remember that the media is not a reflection of society but a manipulation. Millenials are the most fractured generation. There are those who fulfil every stupid media stereotype but then there is a massive amount of us who know the world is screwed and we are going to be left to fix it after those before us are done selling us out to multinationals and importing half the third world. Nate et al might brag about their gen hating boomers but they still play the game; xers are the ones running hr, running businesses, buying from the multinationals etc. Most millenials have a shit job, if that, no money and no future. Its only xers who keep the boomer system going. You all are in the positions of power now that boomers are in the nursing home.

Most men my age want a family, a dependable income and a safe place to raise their kids. As someone who has worked in hospitality it is xers who conspicuously consume and want to live the mtv lifestyle. Nothing is more disgusting than a desperate drunk forty year old divorced woman with a paycheque big enough to support a family of ten acting like she is kim fatarse-mudshark.

When you think of millenials you think of sjws and whatever garbage is on tv. Dont forget that /pol/ (infinitechan, not cuckchan) is also us, and for every man my age posting there I believe there is 5 who dont use social media at all but would agree.

Thanks to the artificial generation divide very few millenials socialise with xers and unless you're down at the factory or where ever our current shit job is you wont ever meet us or see us.

Anonymous Discard January 30, 2016 3:01 AM  

All this talk about the generations, and so much of it makes reference to pop culture. I think that many of you have formed your impressions of other age cohorts from media BS. Sorry, but Beyonce is no more important than Depeshe Mode or Buddy Holly and the Crickets. People talk about ignorant the sheeple are and then use such ephemeral trivia to score points.

No fault divorce is an issue, that your dad got kicked out by your mom is a personal problem. Turning serious questions into personal drama is womanish.

You didn't invent the transistor, the internet, or Facebook. Neither did I. Don't use them as weapons against older or younger people who did not invent them either. You sound stupid.

Talk history, talk economics, talk sociology, just don't talk butthurt. Everybody hurts. Go to church and talk with your pastor, that's part of why he's there.

Anonymous Discard January 30, 2016 3:07 AM  

Modern American popular culture is to America what Soviet culture was to Russia. Same people behind it, too.

Anonymous Millenium January 30, 2016 3:20 AM  

@ 30 You are assuming Marx was writing in good faith. If you consider that Marx was part of the tribe who has spent 100+ years destroying white western civilization then you will realize his writing accomplished much of his true intent

@ 66 One of the negatives of a rural upbringing was not meeting a jew until a few  years ago. Finding out this asshole was jewish after fulfilling every negative jewish stereotype was surreal.


@ Betty Friedan, maiden name Goldstein...every fucking time.

@26  dont have to worry about plagues...except for zika, ebola, swine flu, bird flu or just the good ol' polio etc immigrants are bringing us

@ 133 "
Broadway is (((Gay))) Culture. Hollywood is (((Culture))).
Neither was created by straight White men"...or white men at all for that matter




Anonymous Pavel January 30, 2016 3:37 AM  

@136

That's your best answer? Shitty 90's alternative music for dumb college kids?

Anonymous Pavel January 30, 2016 3:39 AM  

@137

And who bought all those bad mortgages? Gen Xers.

Anonymous Xer January 30, 2016 4:45 AM  

"Its only xers who keep the boomer system going. You all are in the positions of power now that boomers are in the nursing home."

Wrong. Uh junior what generation is Hitlery Clinton?

Anonymous Xer January 30, 2016 4:49 AM  

"We can think of a billion ways to blame the boomers but what we're really doing is shooting down the oldest generation left alive for Satan's handiwork and sending them full of sorrow to their graves. This is how the devil's plan unfolds."

They served/serve him very well that's the issue.

Anonymous Millenium January 30, 2016 5:33 AM  

@154 Hillary Clinton must be a busy woman to be running all businesses, hr departments and colleges while also buying up all those mortgages, cars, boats, designer clothes, high end meals and imported junk that keeps the economy running.

Anonymous Xer January 30, 2016 5:46 AM  

"Hillary Clinton must be a busy woman to be running all businesses, hr departments and colleges while also buying up all those mortgages, cars, boats, designer clothes, high end meals and imported junk that keeps the economy running."

No, she "just" wants power over all of it.

Anonymous Xer January 30, 2016 5:49 AM  

And she's a boomer. Try reading post #137 and this...

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/10/who-destroyed-the-economy-the-case-against-the-baby-boomers/263291/

Anonymous Xer January 30, 2016 5:54 AM  

"that boomers are in the nursing home."

And alot of boomers are not in nursing homes that's another fallacy. No they are quite active spending bankrupt pensions funds into further bankruptcy. Why would a Millenial try to defend boomers!? I guess you guys really are lost.

Blogger Matamoros January 30, 2016 8:49 AM  

@122 "since Adam and Eve decided it was OK to disobey God and trust their own judgement about what's good and what's not"

Actually it was Eve who decided to obey God because she knew better. Adam was the sorry idiot who took the fall (love, stupidity, or what?) - the first white knight.

If he'd have manned up and refused her lies and the apple, God would have gotten rid of her and given him a new improved EveII and we'd all be in a paradise.

Blogger Ann Kellett January 30, 2016 10:37 AM  

To understand the chronology of this unraveling, go to scifiwright.com and search for Restless Heart of Darkness. He weaves together all the threads touched on here in a concise and profoundly insightful way.

OpenID sigbouncer January 30, 2016 11:55 AM  

@152

"That's your best answer? Shitty 90's alternative music for dumb college kids?"

You're not very good at this. The majority of the bands I listed are still very relevant today. And Pantera cut their teeth in the 80's.

OpenID sigbouncer January 30, 2016 12:02 PM  

@153

Guess you missed the point of the Boomers borrowing heavily against their homes (2nd and 3rd mortgages) and then walking away from their houses and payments. This after destroying the budget surpluses in the 90s with their tax cuts and expanded medicare.

Now that I've done you the courtesy of answering your questions. Why don't you answer mine?

@124

And we did what we did as a Generation from a shorter 14 year time frame. Whilst you Boomers span 22 years and what have you to show for it?

OpenID sigbouncer January 30, 2016 12:09 PM  

@152

"That's your best answer? Shitty 90's alternative music for dumb college kids?"

And the bands listed were metal, punk, rock and grunge bands. Not alternative.

But that's not surprising considering you're from the Disco, George Michael and Boy George crowd.

OpenID sigbouncer January 30, 2016 12:17 PM  

@149
"You didn't invent the transistor, the internet, or Facebook. Neither did I. Don't use them as weapons against older or younger people who did not invent them either. You sound stupid."

We are comparing Generations and what they have accomplished during their time on the planet. As well as what they've damaged and or destroyed.

When comparing the greatest football teams of all team and the 49ers come up. We don't leave Joe Montana and Jerry Rice out of the discussion.

Don't be so naive.

Anonymous Pavel January 30, 2016 2:18 PM  

@158

Maybe millennial don't have the same reflexive need to blame their parents like the Xers do. For all their bitching, it was Xers who continued to support the irresponsible policies of the boomers. Hillary may be a boomer, but all the 40-something supporters she has sure aren't.

@162

Greenday is a faggy pop punk band. The boomers gave the world real punk. And that's wll Xers have done to culture, just make faggier, more vulgar versions of things. You were the ones who started to normalize homosexuality.

As for real accomplishments. American new Wave Cinema. Electing Ronald Reagan. The very structure for the internet itself. Everything the Xers did was just a tweaked version of something the boomers did.

And no, I'm not a boomer. I'm just sick of some middle-aged Xer going through a mid-life crisis trying to stay relevant.


OpenID sigbouncer January 30, 2016 2:42 PM  

@158
" Hillary may be a boomer, but all the 40-something supporters she has sure aren't."

You need to start backing your assertions with links. Because most of what you have claimed here so far is false.

Over 66 percent of Hillary Clinton female supporters are over the ages of 55, as are 52 percent of her male supporters.

http://www.catholic.org/news/politics/story.php?id=59711

OpenID sigbouncer January 30, 2016 2:53 PM  

@166
"You were the ones who started to normalize homosexuality.

As for real accomplishments. American new Wave Cinema. Electing Ronald Reagan."


Once again, two completely false assertions on your end.


Obama and his Boomer democrats are the ones passing the same sex marriage bills. The Boomers also created the sexual revolution.

"To summarise the nineteen sixties sexual revolution and its consequences...

Sexuality became political, emerging as an axis around which new social movements organised.
Shifts in the relations between women and men, particularly those inspired by the emergent women’s liberation movements. This parallels women’s increased presence in the public realm and personal autonomy concerning reproductive choices and sexual expression.

The political mobilisation of the gay & lesbian movements.

A destabilising of the rigid boundary between the private family and the individualistic orientated public realm.

Reforms in the legal and medical regulation of sexuality.

The increased commercialisation and commodification of sexuality through pornography and mass media. The concomitant relaxation of censorship laws."

http://www.isis.aust.com/stephan/writings/sexuality/revo.htm



The Boomers were Kennedy and Carter supporters. Reagan was voted in by the Greatest Generation along with us GenXers.

"Likewise, those who turned 18 in the Gerald Ford-Jimmy Carter or Ronald Reagan-George H.W. Bush years also have voted consistently more Republican in the last several elections.

In fact, it’s the Nixon-era’s 18-year-olds, who were born in the middle of the Baby Boom and were ages 56-61 last election, who are more Democratic-leaning. In 2012, their margin of support for Obama exceeded the national average by 5 points."

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/11/21/jfk-torch-bearers-now-vote-more-republican/

OpenID sigbouncer January 30, 2016 2:55 PM  

@166
"And no, I'm not a boomer. I'm just sick of some middle-aged Xer going through a mid-life crisis trying to stay relevant."


Yeah I think it's more like you're sick of the truth. Because you can't seem to tell it.

OpenID sigbouncer January 30, 2016 3:04 PM  

@166
"Greenday is a faggy pop punk band."

All three members of Green Day are married. Two of them married with children.

Here are you faggy punk bands. All Boomers.

http://www.browardpalmbeach.com/music/top-ten-lgbt-punk-rock-bands-6411277/2

Anonymous Millenium January 30, 2016 4:47 PM  

@157 "No, she "just" wants power over all of it." And she can only have that power IF YOUR GENERATION KEEPS PLAYING THE GAME.

I am not defending boomers but criticizing xers. You like to whine about boomers have fucked things up but they are mostly old news. Your turn has come and you are showing that you are all more of the same.

Blogger SciVo January 30, 2016 7:28 PM  

Millenium @148: You all are in the positions of power now that boomers are in the nursing home.

That is false. We're in positions of cultural influence now, but the Boomers are hanging on to their hierarchical positions by their fingernails. They will only retire feet-first.

Thanks to the artificial generation divide very few millenials socialise with xers and unless you're down at the factory or where ever our current shit job is you wont ever meet us or see us.

I don't know what you're talking about. I like people in general, and they generally like me back -- including millenials (and Boomers!). You're not in a position to cause any frustrations yet, although I anticipate that your much larger cohort will prematurely cut short our future reform attempts.

Blogger kh123 January 30, 2016 7:41 PM  

Apparently the mood during Khrushchev's time - when the winds changed and folks were trying to figure out, when they were finally allowed to ask, just how and why things had gone as badly as they did during Stalin - was: Don't dig up the past or you'll put out an eye.

To which the response was: Forget the past and you stand to lose both eyes.

This went on until even the late 80's and early 90's, in both literature and media, just who was to blame. Most likely it still continues, with the assigners and defenders still arguing over a past that, as far as they're concerned, may have just been a bad dream. Who wants to suffer when they can just look the other way and enjoy life?

Say what you will about the animal who mimics man as well as the Russian, they understand the power of the word, of history and the potential messages therein. Why else would they spend so much time either discovering or rewriting it.

Anonymous Xer January 31, 2016 9:05 AM  

"But they are mostly old news"

Yeah that's why they are running for and still entrenched in positions of power. Get a clue.

Blogger LP999 S.I.G. Burnin' Up Gold, Cooling Under Snow January 31, 2016 5:17 PM  

I am wrong but it just appears that some boomers don't want their own kids, their own generation after them to have anything - anything at all.

We are not allowed to have anything; a grocery bag, a life, hobbies, anything. I cannot have anything when I remain austere never begrudging anyone of anything.

Yet I am wrong, its not really boomers it was a horrible last 20 years of more boomer abuse than good boomer influences. Humanity is fallen and we will always manage to hurt something or someones feelings knowing or unknowing. It's all statistical.

I receive a healing around here. Like a decompression zone of normalcy of a blog of rules.

As time goes on I will be able to just read and enjoy. Another xer can represent the same concerns we all have.

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