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Wednesday, January 20, 2016

The new browser

Brave was announced today:
It's amazing how fast a page loads when you strip away everything but the real content.

Up to a whopping 60% of page load time is caused by the underlying ad technology that loads into various places each time you hit a page on your favorite news site. And 20% of this is time spent on loading things that are trying to learn more about you.
Performance, privacy, and convergence-free. What's not to like? Brave CEO Brendan Eich explains:
How to Fix the Web

The Web is always in trouble for some reason or other. I remember when Microsoft came after Netscape and threatened to lock Web standards into IE. Only the Web is so big, with such reach to billions of users, that no one owns it. This means it will always be contested ground.

But the Web today faces a primal threat.

Some say the threat to the Web is “mobile”, but the Web is co-evolving with smartphones, not going away. Webviews are commonplace in apps, and no publisher of note is about to replace its primary website with a walled-garden equivalent. Nor can most websites hope to develop their own apps and convert their browser users to app-only users.

I contend that the threat we face is ancient and, at bottom, human. Some call it advertising, others privacy. I view it as the Principal-Agent conflict of interest woven into the fabric of the Web.

You use a browser to find and contribute information, but you generally do not pay for the websites who host that information. Across billions of people, for most sites in most countries, it isn’t realistic to expect anything but a free Web. And as Ben Thompson points out, “free” means ad-supported in the main. Yes, successful sites and apps may convert you to a paying customer, but most won’t.

You might object: “Hey, I’m ready to pay for websites I support”. I’m with you, but many people are not so well-off that they can support most of the commercial sites they use. Also, the Web missed an opportunity back in the early days to define payments and all they entail as a standard.

Once you grant this premise, that the Web needs ads in the large, it follows that your browsing habits will be surveilled, to the best of the ad ecosystem players’ abilities. Also, depending on how poorly ads are designed and integrated, you may become blind or averse to them. Since the ‘90s, I’ve seen several races to the bottom along these lines.

The Principal (you) uses a browser (one of a layer of agents, both software and humans) to browse the Web and keep its lights on. Consider your primary agent, the browser. It’s a complex piece of code, but now thanks to Mozilla, WebKit, Chromium, and even in part Microsoft, this billion-dollar investment is available as a mix of free and open source software.

Yet thanks to tracking options that are inevitable with anything like the Web, your valuable and private user behavior and browsing intent signals can be extracted via your current browser. And that may not be a fair deal.

Everyone’s talking about ad blocking. Blockers can make the user experience of the Web much better. But as Marco Arment noted, they don’t feel good to many folks. They feel like free-riding, or even starting a war. You may never click on an ad, but even forming an impression from a viewable ad has some small value. With enough people blocking ads, the Web’s main funding model is in jeopardy.

At Brave, we’re building a solution designed to avert war and give users the fair deal they deserve for coming to the Web to browse and contribute. We are building a new browser and a connected private cloud service with anonymous ads. Today we’re releasing the 0.7 developer version for early adopters and testers, along with open source and our roadmap.
Read the rest of it there.

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Anonymous Alexander January 20, 2016 10:04 AM  

Team pics:

8 white men
1 white woman
1 asian woman

One assume Eich is a little more leery about SJW entryism these days.

Let's hope it's a winner.

OpenID elijahrhodes January 20, 2016 10:10 AM  

If you smite us we will return more powerful then ever.

Blogger Krul January 20, 2016 10:11 AM  

Brendan Eich, eh? They could push him out, but they can't keep him down. I hope Brave works out.

Anonymous Soga January 20, 2016 10:11 AM  

Eich is just one typo away from Rich.

Seriously, what a good, smart man. An inspiration. Silicon Valley needs to burn to the ground and start over with good people like him and Linus.

Anonymous Soga January 20, 2016 10:16 AM  

I normally don't donate online, but I'm seriously thinking about making an exception for Brave.

Blogger Cogitans Iuvenis January 20, 2016 10:32 AM  

I think this may just become my new browser.

Blogger praetorian January 20, 2016 10:35 AM  

This could be quite important. One can almost forgive Brendan for inventing JavaScript.

Almost.

Anonymous Kevin January 20, 2016 10:37 AM  

Is this the guy you claimed was a world class beta or delta on your other website? Looks like a boss to me. That is taking initiative to do something new.

Anonymous Freddo January 20, 2016 10:39 AM  

Let's check the profile of that white woman: “Lean Out: The Struggle For Gender Equality in Tech and Startup Culture” – edited by Elissa Shevinsky"

Nope.

Blogger Doseux January 20, 2016 10:41 AM  

They've definately got a sleek site.

Once they get past beta-testing, I'll try it out.

Blogger Eric Mueller January 20, 2016 10:45 AM  

I'm looking forward to it. I haven't touched Firefox since they ousted him, since I assume Mozilla is more concerned about "gay marriage" than writing good code.

Reading that brought back some memories, like when Netscape would stall because doubleclick wasn't responding. I think doubleclick single-handedly quadrupled page loading time across the web.

Blogger Zaklog the Great January 20, 2016 10:45 AM  

Hmmm, got driven out by SJWs, built his own company and is now going to start competing with them, and not unlikely, completely owning them.

Did they just make another Vox Day?

Anonymous Thales January 20, 2016 10:59 AM  

Happy to see that Firefox's share had dropped to less than half it's all-time high. My best to Eich! We'll be watching his browser with great interest.

Anonymous Bz January 20, 2016 11:02 AM  

Good to hear, I'll give it a try. May their house ever be free from SJWs.

Anonymous Scintan January 20, 2016 11:02 AM  

Hmmm, got driven out by SJWs, built his own company and is now going to start competing with them, and not unlikely, completely owning them.

Don't assume he's learned the appropriate lesson.

Anonymous automatthew Name/URL: January 20, 2016 11:03 AM  

This comment courtesy of Brave.

Blogger automatthew January 20, 2016 11:03 AM  

Now with my Google Account.

Blogger Ron January 20, 2016 11:05 AM  

Haha, that's so funny. They kicked Mr. Eich out of Mozilla and he started a better, SJW-free version.

They kicked Mr. Beale out of the sci-fi authors thing, and then he proceeded to make Castalia house.

Good for you guys!

Anonymous RS January 20, 2016 11:15 AM  

Really missed an opportunity here. Should have called the new browser "Pride".

Not too late. Lion logos should still work.

OpenID simplytimothy January 20, 2016 11:21 AM  

You had me at Brave CEO Brendan Eich

Anonymous BigGayKoranBurner January 20, 2016 11:22 AM  

Its possible he didn't fight leavening Mozilla to enjoy freedom, but just a bigger severance package. Don't forget if anyone talks bad about him to tell people you are Ready for HilLIARy to give back the $40milion she took from nations that execute gays while she was a secretary

Blogger Verne January 20, 2016 11:24 AM  

@Krul Lets not forget that in the in the real world, betas are leaders. Just not the top dog, but that can change. They are not control freaks, not normally the general, but yes the Sargent and the Lieutenant are often betas. They can and do take the alphas position from him, if he is not holding his end up. Betas are not far behind the alpha in social standing and sometimes difference is only a matter of desire. A good–natured beta, if you kick him down. He can and often does pull the knife out of his own back and comes back as an alpha. An alpha who is not half as good–natured as he once was.

Anonymous David of One January 20, 2016 11:25 AM  

I'm ready for a new browser ... plus, like others here, a new email system and blogging system that puts privacy first with no massive data gathering and information selling apparatus of their users and anyone else they can get information on.

Blogger Josh January 20, 2016 11:26 AM  

Wow just wow.

So brave, thanks for this.

Blogger Krul January 20, 2016 11:29 AM  

@21 Verne, I believe you're responding to Kevin, not me.

Anonymous Philalethes January 20, 2016 11:29 AM  

Wow, good news for a change! Looks like there is more to Brendan Eich than his tormenters (and many of us who were appalled at what was done to him) assumed. Maybe should have guessed better from the nature of the "offense" for which he was purged. Perhaps this is what he would have liked to do with Mozilla, but couldn't because the project had ossified in SJW-land.

Eich and crew have pinpointed what is perhaps the biggest problem with the contemporary Web – I've been seeing increasing piles of pixels devoted to discussing and bemoaning it – and have set out to find a solution. Could very well be the Next Big Thing. And amusing to see Mozilla, Google, Microsoft, Apple et al scramble to keep up.

Did he ever get sent a copy of SJWs Always Lie?

@1: Team pics:
8 white men
1 white woman
1 asian woman


If the women can do the work, more power to them. If they can't, we can hope they will be replaced.

@6: I think this may just become my new browser.

Installation is still too technical for the average user, but it should be fun for those who enjoy the beta testing game. I could probably figure it out, but don't have time right now.

@8: Is this the guy you claimed was a world class beta or delta on your other website? Looks like a boss to me. That is taking initiative to do something new.

No, Eich is not Alpha; you can tell that by looking at him. But it's not Alpha = good, Beta = useless. Remember, it's honest, hardworking, conscientious, reliable Betas who built and maintain Civilization. Many (most?) Alpha types can't be bothered to do anything that isn't to their own immediate benefit. That's why unconscious, instinctive female hypergamy is so destructive; when allowed to run rampant, it reverts us to cave existence. Trump seems to be the exception, but he also seems to be smart enough to know he'll need a bunch of high-quality Betas working for him to get anything done – and to know how to find them.

@10: ...like when Netscape would stall because doubleclick wasn't responding.

Yeah, here in Pale Moon I find many sites with ads (e.g. LRC, Breitbart) keep "loading" forever while waiting for some google ad service.

@15: This comment courtesy of Brave.

All RIGHT.

Next, can we hope for somebody with the necessary skills to start a truly free social media? Facebook Has Become the World’s Most Dangerous Censor. The real problem, of course, is that most people don't really care if they aren't noticeably inconvenienced. I'm dismayed to see so many people I know posting their lives on Facebook, totally oblivious to its Dark Side integration.

Anonymous Philalethes January 20, 2016 11:44 AM  

Hmm. I subscribed to Brave's mailing list, and discovered that their real world address is in Detroit, Michigan. Somebody got soured on Silicon Valley? But basing your startup in the poster child for America's collapse is an interesting move. (The irrepressible Karen De Coster offers an alternative view of that once great – and perhaps now rebirthing – city.)

Blogger Nick S January 20, 2016 11:46 AM  

Let's hope it's a winner.

Considering the sheer volume of genius applied to it, I expect it will be a stellar success. Besides, it has a cool K selected logo.

Anonymous That Would Be Telling January 20, 2016 11:51 AM  

@26 Philalethes:

Hmm. I subscribed to Brave's mailing list, and discovered that their real world address is in Detroit, Michigan. Somebody got soured on Silicon Valley?

Getting purged from Mozilla and prominent tech companies in general left Eich, his wife and children in poor financial shape, certainly not able to continue to afford living in about the highest cost location in the country. And since no one in the area would hire him, might as well leave.

That he's doing this is a sign of how severe the purge was, he ought to have a position somewhere working on WebAssembly, something he's been promoting, but he's evidently too hot to handle.

Blogger Gaiseric January 20, 2016 11:53 AM  

Next, can we hope for somebody with the necessary skills to start a truly free social media?

The code isn't the draw for Facebook. The draw is that that's where the people that you know are.

Blogger Gaiseric January 20, 2016 11:54 AM  

Hmm. I subscribed to Brave's mailing list, and discovered that their real world address is in Detroit, Michigan. Somebody got soured on Silicon Valley? But basing your startup in the poster child for America's collapse is an interesting move.

I just signed up and got told San Francisco...

Anonymous That Would Be Telling January 20, 2016 11:59 AM  

@29 Gaiseric:

Next, can we hope for somebody with the necessary skills to start a truly free social media?

The code isn't the draw for Facebook. The draw is that that's where the people that you know are.


Metcalfe's law, "the value of a telecommunications network is proportional to the square of the number of connected users of the system (n^2)."

Blogger JDC January 20, 2016 12:02 PM  

Haha, that's so funny. They kicked Mr. Eich out of Mozilla and he started a better, SJW-free version.

They kicked Mr. Beale out of the sci-fi authors thing, and then he proceeded to make Castalia house.

Good for you guys!


Amen brother.

Anonymous My Take January 20, 2016 12:07 PM  

We should all wish him Godspeed.

Blogger automatthew January 20, 2016 12:11 PM  

Did he ever get sent a copy of SJWs Always Lie?


Yes. He has read it.

Blogger Stephen Ward January 20, 2016 12:14 PM  

@14 He's learned the lesson. The only question is whether he'll develop sufficient social smarts to be effective. The weak spot of the meritocratically oriented is that we think about the work to be done, and assume everyone else does too.

Blogger Geir Balderson January 20, 2016 12:20 PM  

I am not sure I would jump on his bandwagon just yet. 'Brave' was that animated Disney movie with the little red-haired Scottish girl who saves the future lassies from arranged marriages! A feminist if I ever saw one! But, I do love girls with red hair!

Blogger Doktor Jeep January 20, 2016 12:22 PM  

This.... this is beautiful!
THIS is how you fight back.
THIS is how you defeat the forces of darkness.
I'm headed to the developer's link to see how I can help. I recommend anybody with coding skills join in. We should not be spectators.
Blocking ads may start a "war" of sorts? Indeed.
War is coming.

Anonymous BigGayKoranBurner January 20, 2016 12:23 PM  

The real problem, of course, is that most people don't really care if they aren't noticeably inconvenienced

That's why they shadowban instead of ban, most people wouldn't realize it.

Detroit, Michigan. Somebody got soured on Silicon Valley? ...collapse is an interesting move

Combine a tax haven (opportunity zone)no taxes for a decade with a company that everyone but the security guards and cleaning ladies can telecommute. In detriot the biggest business other than apocalypse porn is cheating the London metals exchange warehouse rules with locked up buildings that have no people in them. A real boss man move would be to only have HR and cleaning ladies stuck in the building.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-lme-warehousing-idUSTRE76R3YZ20110729

Blogger Torial January 20, 2016 12:23 PM  

@36 And maybe you love herring that is red too.

Blogger Guitar Man January 20, 2016 12:23 PM  

Subscribed. I will use on all of my devices.

Blogger Nate January 20, 2016 12:23 PM  

If they want early adopters and beta testers... they should really put a link to just download the thing.

github is clunky as hell and a lot of people are just going to blink at it... and walk away shaking their head.

Blogger Guitar Man January 20, 2016 12:36 PM  

I think they want more technically astute types testing it.

Anonymous John Wilkes Booth January 20, 2016 12:40 PM  

@41, yep, Nate. I did.

Blogger Nate January 20, 2016 12:46 PM  

42. Then they're stupid. You need a certain amount of morons involved in your beta. Why this is so, should be obvious.

God I wish really smart people knew their limitations on the business side of things...

Anonymous That Would Be Telling January 20, 2016 12:51 PM  

@41 Nate:

If they want early adopters and beta testers... they should really put a link to just download the thing.

github is clunky as hell and a lot of people are just going to blink at it... and walk away shaking their head.


GitHub is for developers, as you might guess from the links to Brave's repositories being in the section of the webpage for developers. Yes, if you're a particularly adventurous would be beta-tester who's not a developer you can try your hand at installing and running it, but otherwise at the very top of the web site you're invited to "sign up for beta".

Blogger VD January 20, 2016 12:52 PM  

Is this the guy you claimed was a world class beta or delta on your other website? Looks like a boss to me. That is taking initiative to do something new.

Eich is a good man. Very, very smart. And there is considerably more to the story than I knew at the time.

Blogger Guitar Man January 20, 2016 12:52 PM  

Maybe someone will package it in an .msi for those of us who don't feel like messing around in git on company laptops.

Anonymous That Would Be Telling January 20, 2016 12:56 PM  

@44 Nate:

@42. Then they're stupid. You need a certain amount of morons involved in your beta. Why this is so, should be obvious.

Maybe this is because they're not in the beta testing stage yet? Maybe that's why they didn't use the word beta, but said "0.7 developer version for early adopters and testers"? Alpha-test stage or before, do you think that step can be skipped?

Blogger pbuxton January 20, 2016 12:57 PM  

I was hoping Eich would do something else, however:

./electron/electron/vendor/llvm-build/Release+Asserts/bin/clang

His magnificent software (5.9 GB) comes with its own C/C++ compiler. I run Arch Linux where installing Clang is one command away, if it wasn't installed already.

It uses Node.js for some reason as a runtime component.

The build script is Python 2, not 3, so I needed to temporarily break system Python just to (try to) build it.

I had an idea like this: create a web browsing account for a small amount of money: $5 a month or so. Your ID is tracked but completely ephemeral (scrapped after six months or so) and not tied to you remotely. If the police grab your computer, they can get your ID, say. In the meantime, you trade one "cookie" that will expire auto-delete for elimination of all other cookies and ad tracking (much of which is done for anti-fraud purposes anyway).

I don't have a following to build such a thing (or I wouldn't be chatting away here :) ) but I think it would work. Eich's model sounds a little similar.

Anonymous VFM 4833 January 20, 2016 1:03 PM  

Alphas aren't intrinsically destructive, but intrinsically dominant.

Think of nurturing and leading as two masculine attributes. The Alpha/beta/delta line is the gradient of values for leadership or dominance, assuming a certain minimum of nurturing. However, the nurturing value can vary upward independant of the dominance value.

Modern (and flawed) concepts of nurture hold as intrinsic to nurture several traits that oppose dominance. Sensitivity comes to mind. But there is nothing un-alpha about skilfull husbandry.

Nor, as noted, is alphaness an unmitigated good. Hierarchies, with varying levels of dominance, are needed for maximum acheivement.

Eich may well be 'merely' high-delta or beta. Most likely Delta, given his apology. But he only needs to be the most alpha guy in the room, or conversely, a Merlin: the visionary trusted by the most alpha guy in the room. (IMO, most Merlins are Beta, then Sigma, then Delta).

tl;dr: Eich can buck the system and stand on his own even as a Delta. The SSH is a gradiant, not a set of mutually binary switches.

Blogger Cogitans Iuvenis January 20, 2016 1:06 PM  

@25
No, Eich is not Alpha; you can tell that by looking at him. But it's not Alpha = good, Beta = useless. Remember, it's honest, hardworking, conscientious, reliable Betas who built and maintain Civilization. Many (most?) Alpha types can't be bothered to do anything that isn't to their own immediate benefit.

I absolutely agree being at the top of a formal hierarchy like a company, political organization or country does not make inherently make you an alpha. History is full of leaders who were unquestionably alpha in personality but at the same time terrible leaders.

It begs the question given the qualities that are often exemplified by beta personalities versus alpha. Who is in fact the better steward of a country/company? I would not be surprised that individuals who often left their country/company for the better had more beta traits than alpha ones. Perhaps Vox wold one day, or maybe he has already, deign to analyze past leaders on their personality predisposition in the social sexual hierarchy and how it impacted how they ruled for good and ill.

Blogger Doom January 20, 2016 1:07 PM  

I'll take a look when it is actually finished. Truth is, I'm not holding my breath. I'll check it against several intrusive pseudo pay to play sites. Most likely they will sell to the big boys. Time tells.

Blogger Ahazuerus January 20, 2016 1:18 PM  

@41: nate,

already did that. not because I'm a moron (I might be but that wasn't the reason) but because as a 30 year veteran of IT project management I learned a long time ago not to reward people for making my life more complicated.

I did subscribe tho.

Anonymous Garrulus January 20, 2016 1:22 PM  

Still a bit too tricky to build on linux, will give it a go later.

Blogger dienw January 20, 2016 1:27 PM  

O.T. Re Hugo Awards.

You're mentioned by Lame Cherry Who is a prophet as well as being a well informed writer who does sound research.

Blogger tz January 20, 2016 1:32 PM  

Tally Ho! Fight fire with extinguishers.
@50 - not nurturing, but organizing, coordinating, herding, and transforming. Nurturing per se is feminine. Also you don't have to be an alpha, Eich might be more of a sigma, where he isn't concerned with dominance but with other things (which makes him even freer not to play games).

Blogger epobirs January 20, 2016 1:44 PM  

I remember Millicent, the micropayments system the DEC developed and promoted in hopes of avoiding exactly the kind of surveillance driven web we have today. Jerry Pournelle and I took a trip up to Palo Alto to see a presentation on the concept and it really had us hopeful for a world in which writers could get paid without turning the web into wall to wall advertising. The credit card companies hated everything abut it and did all in their power to crush it.

Today I followed a link to a Telegraph article only to be told that I wouldn't be allowed to read the article unless I turned off my ad blocker and made my system vulnerable to any attack their advertising partners had decided to mount that day. In case anyone doesn't know, attacks through third party advertising on commercial sites is the #1 means of spreading malware. Using an ad blocker isn't merely about speed and privacy, it's about protecting yourself against outright malicious organized crime.

So my answer to sites like the Telegraph is I need to see your guarantee of indemnification if my computer is infected with malware as a result of being brought into contact with rogue advertisers by your site. Until such time as you are prepared to offer such a guarantee I have no guilt whatsoever about running an ad blocker. All of you then established publishers had the opportunity to back micropayments when it mattered and you slept through it.

Anonymous Quartermaster January 20, 2016 1:51 PM  

The one thing that gives pale Moon on my machine fits is Adobe Flash. I have found that when things drag I need to call up the task manager and kill Flash before things will go back to normal. There's stuff out there that uses flash in strange ways that causes all kinds of trouble.

Blogger weka January 20, 2016 1:54 PM  

Well, this is Open Source at work. There is a github, and as pbuxton notes, installing this is a tad difficult.

I hope Eich has read the fedora comments on why they don't install Chrome and considers how to package things well.

Am subscribing. Using Pale Moon or Vivaldi, depending on day and mood: both work fairly well in either Debian or Fedora based systems. (Yes, I run both).

Anonymous LurkingPuppy January 20, 2016 1:59 PM  

@57: The credit card companies hated everything abut it and did all in their power to crush it.

And the cryptographic tools needed to implement payments securely without giving all the information now collected by advertisers to the central payment-processing service were patented, and NSA didn't really want people using crypto either.

So my answer to sites like the Telegraph is I need to see your guarantee of indemnification if my computer is infected with malware as a result of being brought into contact with rogue advertisers by your site.

No one can make that guarantee, even if they and their advertisers pay big-bucks extra to serve everything over HTTPS, because modern browsers are too buggy all the way down. Hell, modern everything is too buggy; that's why Brave has to ship a buggy bloated PoS C++ compiler in its build tree just to make sure that the buggy bloated PoS browser their product is currently based on gets compiled with a known version of a known compiler with a known set of bugs.


I look forward to when they (a) ship binaries, and (b) rewrite the browser component from scratch to be free of security bugs.

Blogger Peter Pan January 20, 2016 2:12 PM  

Silence a man and take away his platform, and he will build his own and you will never silence him again.

Blogger Technomad January 20, 2016 2:12 PM  

Personally, my mainmost pet peeve with website ads is when they're videos; those things have a tendency to jam my browser.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 20, 2016 2:19 PM  

Well, i gave it a go. Seems the browser won't build on Windows without Visual Studio. So, I'm out until they either ship binaries or can cross-build on gcc

Anonymous LurkingPuppy January 20, 2016 2:21 PM  

@61: Personally, my mainmost pet peeve with website ads is when they're videos; those things have a tendency to jam my browser.

I haven't seen HTML 5 videos cause trouble (beyond pissing away bandwidth without permission). But it's generally a good idea to either disable (or uninstall) Flash, or configure your browser to not run Flash, uh, thingies automatically (Chrome calls this ‘click-to-play’), and that seems to fix the crashes too.

Blogger tz January 20, 2016 2:23 PM  

@57 - Forbes was serving malware when you dropped the blockers.

I suspect the installation difficulties will be resolved quickly since it is opensource with meritocracy, and won't have to be bothered with 8 year old obsolete PC stuff.

Blogger James Dixon January 20, 2016 2:29 PM  

> In case anyone doesn't know, attacks through third party advertising on commercial sites is the #1 means of spreading malware. Using an ad blocker isn't merely about speed and privacy, it's about protecting yourself against outright malicious organized crime.

Yep. For that reason, I not only run an adblocker, I run with javascript disabled by default.

Anonymous Eric NC January 20, 2016 4:11 PM  

Ruh-roh...looks like Brave's Ms. Head of Product, one Elissa Shevinsky, has penned a novel titled: Lean Out, The Struggle for GENDER EQUALITY in Tech and Start-up Culture.

elissashevinsky.com/lean-out/

I'll still try the browser when it's ready, but c'mon Eich.

Anonymous cincinnatus January 20, 2016 4:18 PM  

Ruh-roh...looks like Brave's Ms. Head of Product, one Elissa Shevinsky, has penned a novel titled: Lean Out, The Struggle for GENDER EQUALITY in Tech and Start-up Culture.

Facepalm. Eich needs a copy of SJWAL, stat.

OpenID simplytimothy January 20, 2016 4:18 PM  

Hmmm.

Uses something called 'electron' to configure and build. In the electron dir is a file CODE_OF_CONDUCT.md

bash-4.2$ cat CODE_OF_CONDUCT.md
# Contributor Code of Conduct

As contributors and maintainers of this project, and in the interest of fostering an open and welcoming community, we pledge to respect all people who contribute through reporting issues, posting feature requests, updating documentation, submitting pull requests or patches, and other activities.

We are committed to making participation in this project a harassment-free experience for everyone, regardless of level of experience, gender, gender identity and expression, sexual orientation, disability, personal appearance, body size, race, ethnicity, age, religion, or nationality.

Examples of unacceptable behavior by participants include:

- The use of sexualized language or imagery
- Personal attacks
- Trolling or insulting/derogatory comments
- Public or private harassment
- Publishing other's private information, such as physical or electronic addresses, without explicit permission
- Other unethical or unprofessional conduct

Project maintainers have the right and responsibility to remove, edit, or reject comments, commits, code, wiki edits, issues, and other contributions that are not aligned to this Code of Conduct, or to ban temporarily or permanently any contributor for other behaviors that they deem inappropriate, threatening, offensive, or harmful.

By adopting this Code of Conduct, project maintainers commit themselves to fairly and consistently applying these principles to every aspect of managing this project. Project maintainers who do not follow or enforce the Code of Conduct may be permanently removed from the project team.

This Code of Conduct applies both within project spaces and in public spaces when an individual is representing the project or its community.

Instances of abusive, harassing, or otherwise unacceptable behavior may be reported by contacting a project maintainer at [atom@github.com](mailto:atom@github.com). All complaints will be reviewed and investigated and will result in a response that is deemed necessary and appropriate to the circumstances. Maintainers are obligated to maintain confidentiality with regard to the reporter of an incident.

This Code of Conduct is adapted from the Contributor Covenant, version 1.3.0, available from http://contributor-covenant.org/version/1/3/0/
bash-4.2$


Here is the link as url: http://contributor-covenant.org/version/1/3/0/

hee!...that stuff is funded by..well, just look

https://www.patreon.com/coraline?ty=h


Anonymous That Would Be Telling January 20, 2016 4:42 PM  

@70 simplytimothy: And the instigator of OpalGate.

Blogger Markku January 20, 2016 4:42 PM  

Uses something called 'electron' to configure and build. In the electron dir is a file CODE_OF_CONDUCT.md

This doesn't even BEGIN to be a problem.

Anonymous Eric NC January 20, 2016 4:43 PM  

Correction, Ms. Shevinsky merely edited a collection of 25 essays about mean ol' nasty men in tech.

Blogger Markku January 20, 2016 4:48 PM  

Merely using a tool in your toolchain gives absolutely zero power to the people who are responsible for developing the tool, over your project. I use SJW opensource tools with reckless abandon. If they changed the license, I'd fork before they can say "microaggression".

OpenID simplytimothy January 20, 2016 5:10 PM  

@72 This doesn't even BEGIN to be a problem.

For Brave, no its not. It is a problem for electron's mindshare as they have lost one mind; mine.

The problem for me is a cryptic python exception and stack-trace on the build that I don't have time to debug.


Merely using a tool in your toolchain gives absolutely zero power to the people who are responsible for developing the tool, over your project. I use SJW opensource tools with reckless abandon. If they changed the license, I'd fork before they can say "microaggression".

Agreed, but "microaggression" has a LOT of letters and I lack your patience.


Blogger weka January 20, 2016 6:04 PM  

Atom and electron have teh new bastard contributor code of conduct. It was added in December, probably as part of the long march through ruby and java.

https://github.com/atom/atom/commits/master/CODE_OF_CONDUCT.md

OpenID simplytimothy January 20, 2016 6:14 PM  

@72 I just realized that this is a big deal; follow my line of thought.

In a GNU tarball you typically see a README BUILD LICENSE and other standard files in the archive; I have never seen a fscking code of conduct until now.

ESR does a lot of work on the history of Unix and the web; and this new development of dropping SJW turds onto a developer's file-system is beyond rude. this is a big deal. Eric's got the mind, precision of thought and vocabulary to qualify what the hell just happened and to extrapolate what will happen if left unchecked or unopposed.

Look, I get pissed when forced to use Windows products and doubly pissed off when Microsoft decides what and when it will force updates on my machine without my consent. This is part-and parcel of that same monolithic 'ick' that I want no part of.






Blogger weka January 20, 2016 6:47 PM  

@simplytimothy: if you set up the github, you should remove these things. Linus wrote git for his purposes.

But Github has decided to use the Todo Code of conduct. If someone drops it in, delete it and remove him from your team. the link to this is http://todogroup.org/opencodeofconduct/

Blogger Alexandros January 20, 2016 6:49 PM  

@68 Ruh-roh...looks like Brave's Ms. Head of Product, one Elissa Shevinsky, has penned a novel titled: Lean Out, The Struggle for GENDER EQUALITY in Tech and Start-up Culture.

elissashevinsky.com/lean-out/


It seems that the man did not in fact learn his lesson.

What the hell is she doing there?

Anonymous Desiderius January 20, 2016 7:04 PM  

Stepehn Ward,

@36 "The weak spot of the meritocratically oriented is that we think about the work to be done, and assume everyone else does too."

They do too, once all other alternatives have been rendered inviable. Making them so is where we come in.

Anonymous Haxo Angmark January 21, 2016 10:50 AM  

Elissa Shevinsky is a feminista Jewess; Eich remains in awe of his mom. And a clear instance of the Repetition Compulsion

Blogger Josh January 21, 2016 1:18 PM  

(((Haxo)))

Blogger Josh January 21, 2016 1:21 PM  

Haxo, why are you linking to a site that promotes firefox?

Blogger Markku January 21, 2016 1:30 PM  

I spy with my little eye something beginning with

J

Blogger Eric Mueller January 21, 2016 1:31 PM  

@27- I saw an "independent media" report a few years ago talking about a libertarian renaissance in Detroit. Apparently, there is a section of town that has become home to a heck of a free market. The city is too broke and incompetent to crack down on it, so it flourishes. It probably is a good place to start a non-SJW tech company.

Blogger Halifax Donair January 21, 2016 10:54 PM  

HOTWHEELS FIX YOUR.. oh wait, I'm on VP.

Thanks for the heads up, just signed up. One of the reasons I carried a Blackberry Bold for so long, until they literally shut off 3G here on my carrier and forced me to upgrade, was the way data was optimized. My wireless usage was miniscule compared to the hog I have now with Android.

Blogger Halifax Donair January 21, 2016 11:10 PM  

@59 I was running Bronyware for a while but like Leakfox, it has to be rebooted every so often.

Right now I'm using Slim Jet 64.

Blogger Halifax Donair January 21, 2016 11:14 PM  

@58 Meanwhile in Canada, a Mondex trial in Guelph, Ontario was canned because the banks wouldn't play ball.

Anonymous Lorn January 22, 2016 7:26 AM  

Genders should be seen as equal. Or does really anyone say that a girl is less of worth than a guy? We are civilized beings, unlike other parts of the world.

If you own a project you have to give in a bit into SJW stuff or you will be shattered and destroyed. That is the harsh reality.

But the secret to win is not being totally owned by that mentality, just having enough on board so the SJW ignore your business. Mozilla instead made the mistake to allow the SJW to take command in the organisation. Eich will not allow that, that is the difference.

Anonymous Lorn January 22, 2016 7:34 AM  

Also, there is a difference if SJW is meant in the context of women rights activists or if it is meant in the context of conservative Christians haaters or traditional values haters.

Women rights activists are the lesser evil. The WAY lesser evil. So, see me as sold, will switch to it as soon as there is a build available.

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