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Saturday, January 09, 2016

When the coverup fails

The SJWs of science fiction fandom have done their level best to denigrate, discredit and disqualify Daniel's historic five-part expose on predatory child abuse in science fiction over the last five decades. They want to bury their sordid past, and hide their filthy present, because they know that their embrace of criminal deviancy will cause even the liberal mainstream to turn against them if it ever comes to light.
  • “[Day] is just writing stuff to fill his slate and then cackle both evilly and ineffectively.” – Chris S.
  • “RE: Castalia House’s new thing. It’s a reactionary tactic called Amplification, where they use the language of progressive politics to either accuse progressives of doing something horrible, or to claim that the horrible thing they do must be accepted by progressives or they’re being discriminatory.” – Lorcan Nagle
  • I haven’t stopped laughing at the weaksauce effort there yet. Even if I ignore the clearly incredibly out of context quotes as well as the utterly inaccurate paraphrasing of what people said, there’s still a great deal of it that seems to have come from an alternate universe. – snowcrash 
  • “I hate to give Castalia House credit for anything, but their usage of Search Engine Optimization tactics ain’t bad. Using science fiction and the Clarke miniseries as a traffic driver, there may be new eyeballs that are exposed to his words. Of course, there could also end up being lots of traffic driven to CH for the words “rape” and “pedophilia“. I’ll bet he thinks of that as a victory condition, too, right up to the point where the authorities start asking questions. – Glenn Hauman
  • “This blatant attempt to play “gotcha” with SF’s history of dealing with sexual abuse committed within its own community is a particularly vile and disgusting example of hypocrisy.” – McJulie
  • “That’s kind of wild misreading of what Delany said.” – Aaron
As Daniel noted, these responses are not atypical, they represent the longtime position of the SF fandom community to protect the predators in its midst.
Of all 200+ comments in the threads at File770, not one fan raised the question of what should be done about the problem. If the “Safe Space as Rape Room” series hasn’t demonstrated that there is a code of silence regarding pedophilia in science fiction, the feral reaction of the fans to this “old news” certainly does.

Notably, of the above selections, three of the pedo-apologists comprise File 770’s Top 5 “most prolific” commenters of 2015: JJ, Peace Is My Middle Name, Aaron.

So if you had any doubts that these are the thoughts of core fans, those doubts should now be gone.
And, as we know, SJWs always lie. They cannot hide the truth, especially not while there are still witnesses able to call them out and expose their attempts to retroactively spin their Narrative.
Excellent, if emetic article: I am Breen’s daughter Moira Greyland, and I am glad to answer questions, though I cannot promise they will be less emetic than the article itself.

Seriously, this is very upsetting subject matter. I cried when I read your article, though I’ve been steeped in this material for awhile. Reading my father’s words is most upsetting.

I wish I knew a little less.
Another survivor is equally forthright:
Speak up:

For all the rape culture stuff that gets tossed around you can really reduce it to one word and that is: Silence.

People who rape count on you being too shocked, too thrown off, and feeling too guilty and complicit for not doing something right away to speak up. Don’t let them get away with that. Speak up. Find help. Do whatever it takes to snap back to reality. I don’t care who you are or how you vote, that’s the single best thing you can do for yourself or anyone else.
They are speaking up. We are willing to stand up, speak out, and support them, those individuals who have survived far worse from SF fandom than anything we have ever experienced at their nasty little hands.

For those who wish to question our motivations, we have but one response: "The enemy of my enemy is my friend."

And there is no friend more loyal than a Rabid Puppy.

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91 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous January 09, 2016 8:13 AM  

Capital F Fandom is a cult, a dangerous cult with cultists so committed to their 'cause' that they not only tolerate, but celebrate the depraved sexual abuse of innocent children. Perverted and disgusting. One shouldn't have to sign up to support child rape in order to officially enjoy sci-fi.
DM

Blogger The Kurgan January 09, 2016 8:18 AM  

It's really a widespread issue. These SJWs are ALWAYS infested with really vile things. It's like the 4th law. And pedofilia seems to be close to the top of their favourite activity to indulge in while they pretend to scream out in outrage about some insane gender studies topic designed to further victimise primarily children.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan January 09, 2016 8:35 AM  

My guess is that Rule #3 is the SJW weak spot a line of interrogation thru that opening would be our blitzkrieg thru their Ardennes

Anonymous Spartacus xxxxx January 09, 2016 9:00 AM  

@1. Anonymous

One shouldn't have to sign up to support child rape in order to officially enjoy sci-fi.
DM


That's tight. One should not have to support child rape in order to officially become a member of SFWA either, Mr. Scalzi, or to publish with Tor Books, Mr. Hayden, or to attend Worldcon Sasquan, Mr. Gerrold.

Pedophilia, meet Hydrophobia.

Blogger Peter P January 09, 2016 9:05 AM  

We will bathe in their blood. Just tell us when.

Blogger VD January 09, 2016 9:07 AM  

We will bathe in their blood. Just tell us when.

You will indeed. But be patient. The Supreme Dark Lord never forgets his own.

Anonymous NorthernHamlet January 09, 2016 9:12 AM  

The quote about amplification is hilarious.

"They're-- they're applying our own beliefs to us! That's not how it works!!!!"

Anonymous Michael Maier January 09, 2016 9:27 AM  

"Pedophilia, meet Hydrophobia."

That's rather clever. Almost epically so.

Anonymous Michael Maier January 09, 2016 9:35 AM  

Those CH blog posts are brutal to read. It's hard to imagine the pain of these survivors seeing their online friends, authors and publishers outright supporting child rape.

I don't know how these foul bastards of Fandom - whom I will assume are NOT actually pedos themeselves or pedo voyeurs, giving them far, far more credit that they'd ever give us in a disagreement - can look in the mirror after typing those things.

But I suppose it's just like reporting the facts about Islam, or interracial rape and murder.

They always prefer to shoot the messenger than face awful truths.

Compare that to this place: Vox admits changing his mind on free trade and other issues when evidence leads him elsewhere.

Hell, I myself hated Vox' views when I started reading here... until I dug deeper.

OpenID jeffro January 09, 2016 9:35 AM  

For what it's worth, these people are completely clueless about Appendix N, too.

Anonymous Takin' a Look January 09, 2016 9:36 AM  

Burn.It.Down.

Blogger Civis Silas January 09, 2016 9:50 AM  

It really is telling that we're now seeing Daniel's narrative corroborated by reluctant witnesses, while SJWs point and shriek about us being racist sexist homophobes. Nobody who takes child welfare seriously would ever act this way in the presence of such strong evidence--it doesn't matter how much you hate the messenger, it doesn't matter how much you love the accused. Their petty snark in the face of such serious allegations betrays a depraved, evil disposition. Such a disposition may not be of the same kind as a pedophile, but it certainly matches it in degree. If I may be so bold: the black flag is too good for them. Hoist the bloody flag, and give no quarter.

Anonymous Man of the Atom January 09, 2016 9:51 AM  

Matthew 7:16 "You will know them by their fruits."

Blogger Joe Keenan January 09, 2016 9:56 AM  

You go great work with those posts. Here's hoping you do more, you might want to consider publishing/posting Moira Greyland's poetry; it is quite powerful, her, Mother's Hands, is an indictment of MZB and brings home the Truth of sex abuse in the "community" on a visceral level. You've been talking naval strategy here, one key component of that is identification of the target and then the delivery of "an unstoppable crushing pulse of power" to that target. If you published a book on the sex scandal in SciFi/Fantasy maybe the Rabid Puppies could get behind it and nominate it for a Hugo! Hoist them on their own petard. I'd vote for it.

Blogger Happy Housewife January 09, 2016 9:58 AM  

That anyone could have read that series and actually laughed speaks volumes to their character. I felt ill afterwards and, like you said, sick in my soul.

Their reading comprehension must be poor, as well, since plenty of context was given for every quote. Even if all non-literary quotes were stretched, the ones from Delany's foul book weren't. You can't laugh your way around those without being completely and utterly foul yourself.

Anonymous FAILBOAT January 09, 2016 10:23 AM  

Vox,

Thanks for calling attention to this. I was advised as a teenage SF fan to stay away from some of the SF authors named here, and was never involved in 'Con culture'. I stopped browsing the SF/F section of my local bookstore because it became difficult to separate the Larry Niven 'implications of technology' sci-fi I liked from the 'weird sexual fantasies' SF/F I didn't. I was exposed to this stuff once though, I watched the proprietor of the local gaming store loudly and aggressively run an old pedophile (who had been skulking around the store asking the young kids to 'come back to his house/car to see his pokeballs' at the height of the Pokemon craze) out the door.

As an adult, I don't visit that store nearly as often as I did when I was younger, I spend more time now trying to realize my dreams than I do having new ones, but when I saw the same man, much older, still behind the counter, selling comics and RPGs to the next generation of dreamers, I told the story and thanked him. I view what you're doing with the "Safe Spaces" article as the internet equivalent of the same service. Breaking the silence in your own communities is a big deal, because it is difficult. The stigma for victims and accusers is real, and challenging accusers means upsetting well-defined social hierarchies, so it's hard, for everyone. In the rigidly hierarchical groups which define themselves around denouncing members of the outgroup with adjectives that bring to mind this sort of trauma, it is more, not less difficult to make credible accusations within the insular in-group.

You've mentioned your own experience on alphagame, I hope that providing a platform for survivors and calling attention to this is helping you heal and move forward in your own life as well.

Blogger Ahazuerus January 09, 2016 10:25 AM  

Reading this post immediately after the previous one, there's a strong parallel between them: the constant attempts to deny reality and attendant implications, often by shouting down the rabble in the reality based community...

Anonymous NorthernHamlet January 09, 2016 10:26 AM  

Anyone care to explain how Vox et al are "twisting" this or taking things out of connect?

Anonymous Man of the Atom January 09, 2016 10:33 AM  

The SJW cultists' adherence to their worldview and associated diktats over the welfare of innocent children marks them as Enemies of Civilization.

"There is No Place in Civilized Society for SJWs", just as the Dark Lord has repeatedly stated.

Blogger SciVo January 09, 2016 10:34 AM  

Joe Keenan @14: If you published a book on the sex scandal in SciFi/Fantasy maybe the Rabid Puppies could get behind it and nominate it for a Hugo!

Daniel cut things a bit close, but since he finished his blog series before the end of the year (barely), I believe it will be eligible for Best Related Work.

Blogger Joe Keenan January 09, 2016 10:50 AM  

I look forward to the publication of both the Sad Puppies and Rabid Puppies recommends. I see myself voting along those lines. I will of course vote for Daniel's work if I can. I wonder, could the RICO statutes be applied to this scandal? This is a sin that, "cries out to Heaven" for redress. Many have commented on the twisted perspective of the File 770 crowd wondering how they can see Vox as the bad guy, not Breen, Bradley et al: St Augustine tolds us centuries ago that "The order of the City, is the order of the Soul writ large." Oue internal order is always projected outwards, we project our internal reality into the external reality. Correctly ordered people, create a correctly ordered society. Incorrectly ordered people, create a disordered society. Breendoggle is evidence of a massively disordered society. Like the Carthaginian's, the SciFi/Fantasy "community" sacrifices its' own children. Carthago delanda est.

OpenID basementhomebrewer January 09, 2016 10:52 AM  

"JJ, Peace Is My Middle Name, Aaron."

This is the murderers row at file 770. They are all completely impenetrable by truth or logic. Back when they were calling us Nazi's I pointed out the voluminous evidence that Nazi's were actually socialists and progressives of the time embraced them prior to WWII. All of these people denied it and Peace actually used the "evidence" that her grandmother was a progressive that hated fascists as conclusive proof that I was apparently lying.

They have insulated themselves into their own worlds and actively reject any truth that does not agree with the world they have built for themselves.

Anonymous Homesteader January 09, 2016 10:57 AM  

I forced myself to read those articles.

Why do pedos always go for the intellectual pose? "Greek Love" aka-

" Our tastes in children are refined and reflective of classical learning, unlike your coarse cisnormative-rutting, you bitter clinger"

rather than

"I'm a twisted bit of Satan's droppings who wants to destroy the innocent".

As I write this, it occurs to me- being themselves demonstrably stupid and insecure, SJWs ALWAYS fall for the smart kid sell- "Believe this, ALL the smart kids do." Pedos know this. Thus the backlash. If they defend the (pseudo)smart position, that makes THEM smart TOO.

Evil finds such miserable ways to exploit the weak.

Pedos delenda est.

Anonymous Mr. Rational January 09, 2016 11:20 AM  

@12 A better list of personae non grata I could not think of.  Their complicity is proven by their own words.

Blogger Kryten 2X4B 523P January 09, 2016 11:22 AM  

I honestly couldnt read that series all the way through, its utterly sickening. It beggars belief that "Fandom" actively defends and celebrates these types of people.

That said, it needed to be written, it needs to be out there, and it needs to be drawn attention to, so thanks for that at least.

Anonymous Anonymous January 09, 2016 11:26 AM  

Outstanding work by CH. it will be difficult to get this out not only for the reasons mentioned, but because this disgusting phenomenon is not just in sci fi. News shows, law enforcement, politicians as well, and since it's hard to get traction for the authors who expose it, that means Judges and Media are also involved. All run by he who has the whole world in his hands. That makes this battle even more difficult.
Thankfully the King must soon step in.

Anonymous tublecane January 09, 2016 11:33 AM  

I don't understand the term "survivor" as applied to victims of sex crimes. We usually reserve that term for people who defy odds and live through life-threatening circumstances. How does this apply to rape, as such? Rape can be life-threatening, of course, but not as a rule. Is it because there's a higher incidence of suicide among them? Since when did suicide stop being a sin? Sinners are responsible for their sin.

Is it that victimhood deprives "survivors" of responsibility, like a form of mental disease? I don't think so. More likely, we say "survivor" because it's more upbeat than "victim," or because we want to exaggerate rape's seriousness. But why would we need to do that, terrible as it is? Because no misfortune is serious enough unless it's the moral equivalent of living through the Holocaust?

Blogger Markku January 09, 2016 11:37 AM  

More likely, we say "survivor" because it's more upbeat than "victim,"

Yep, that's why. The people who use it want to encourage an identity that is about moving on, and not about making your life all about dwelling on that one event.

Myself I don't like using manipulative language even if it's positive manipulation, so I'll keep saying "victim".

Anonymous VD January 09, 2016 11:38 AM  

More likely, we say "survivor" because it's more upbeat than "victim," or because we want to exaggerate rape's seriousness. But why would we need to do that, terrible as it is

Yes, of all things, THAT is the real issue here. The train is fine.

OpenID elijahrhodes January 09, 2016 11:50 AM  

It comes as no surprise that the r/ Selected liberal crowd, which pushes early sexual maturity, promiscuity, and has a relativist view of morality, would not condemn pedophilia. After all, the distinction between childhood sexual liberation and outright abuse is a soft gradient. When the core tenet of your value system is non-judgementalism it becomes impossible to recognize immoral behavior. How do you condemn something when you do not abide by an absolute moral law? How do you show intolerance for child predation when your religion's highest calling is tolerance and diversity of sexual expression? Only that which the warren deems a sin is seen as such, certainly not condemnation from the Sexually Repressed Evil Right.

OpenID basementhomebrewer January 09, 2016 12:17 PM  

@29 VD It's borderline what the 770'ers do. Change the subject by dissecting an inconsequential detail.

Blogger CM January 09, 2016 12:24 PM  

How do you condemn something when you do not abide by an absolute moral law?

Jesse Pinkman's AA speech in a nutshell.

Blogger Nick S January 09, 2016 12:38 PM  

When the core tenet of your value system is non-judgementalism it becomes impossible to recognize immoral behavior.

Ironically, this is why leftist feel empathy for ISIS. They are on opposite judgmental sides of the same demoralization of America coin.

Anonymous nathan January 09, 2016 12:43 PM  

Remember these names. Some, like snowcrash, like to stray off the Vile666 reservation to derail Puppy threads.

Blogger J Melcher January 09, 2016 12:49 PM  

I think Neil Gaiman's novel "American Gods" is about to be on TV. Is it time to compare his Hinzelmann character -- protecting the small town of Lakeside -- with LeGuin's Omelas? Peace and prosperity presented as the consequence of, and only at the expense of, child sacrifice?


http://americangods.wikia.com/wiki/Hinzelmann

Blogger J Melcher January 09, 2016 12:52 PM  

I think Neil Gaiman's novel "American Gods" is about to be on TV. Is it time to compare his Hinzelmann character -- protecting the small town of Lakeside -- with LeGuin's Omelas? Peace and prosperity presented as the consequence of, and only at the expense of, child sacrifice?


http://americangods.wikia.com/wiki/Hinzelmann

Anonymous vfm #0202 January 09, 2016 12:57 PM  

KGB's (hi Vlad!) best op ever was the demoralization of America. ISIS is the probably redundant followup stage, destruction.

Anonymous Trimegistus January 09, 2016 1:04 PM  

I have a theory: they won't condemn pedophilia because they have sensed that it's on the calendar as the next big Fundamental Human Freedom They've Always Supported. They've got gay marriage, they've got legally-enforced cuckoldry, they've got their fucking legal weed, they've got Federally-funded abortions. Kid-fucking is the obvious next step. (I used to think it would be polygamy, but I've come to realize that after shoving gay marriage up our collective asses, polygamy just doesn't have that pervy transgressive thrill they're addicted to.)

I don't keep up with upcoming film releases, but I'd be willing to bet the price of a movie ticket that there will be one "brave" and critically-acclaimed film about an attractive and high-status person having a sexual relationship with a child. (Probably adult lesbian and teenage girl, so anyone who objects can be called a homophobe who hates women.) I also wouldn't put it past Obama to give Roman Polanski a Presidential pardon before heading off on his post-Presidential bribe-collection tour of the Middle East.

Anonymous nathan January 09, 2016 1:10 PM  

Has anyone looked at the other cons fandoms, anime, gaming, video games, etc. to see if the rot is there as well?

Blogger Adam Lawson January 09, 2016 1:40 PM  

When you dislike a person (in this case, VD) enough to take the side of pedophiles rather than agree with said person: you have yet-to-be-diagnosed brain damage.

There are a great deal of people in this world I dislike and some of them I dislike with a fiery unrelenting passion normally reserved for people that drive slow in the fast lane. Other than the ones who also happen to be pedophiles there are none of them I would argue with rather than condemn pedophilia.

One day we will discover a cure for their madness.

Blogger Joe Keenan January 09, 2016 2:00 PM  

@38 Of course it's there, fans create things like Cosplay because of a honest passion for anime. This draws the pervs like moths to a flame, the pervs then corrupt both the both institution (Cosplay) and individuals that make it up. They're like vampires, they live by destroying innocence.

Anonymous KoranBurningFaggot January 09, 2016 2:04 PM  

their embrace of criminal deviancy will cause even the liberal mainstream to turn against them if it ever comes to light.

I don't know about that, they still like Lena Dunham. A liberal is still friends with my one ex despite his younger brother attempting suicide after my ex took advantage of him while he was underage drunk down by the railroad tracks.

while SJWs point and shriek about us being racist sexist homophobes.

When all the CHORFS were talking about the little boy/gay marriage video, none of them noticed the little boy was cornered in a bathroom with the 2 guys boxing him in and moving to prevent his escape. Watch it with the sound off and notice the shadows on the 2 men. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6RR9n4Qjh8

23" Our tastes in children are refined and reflective of classical learning, unlike your coarse cisnormative-rutting

More like "I can only afford to take someone out on a date to McDonalds, and can't afford wine better than MadDog20/20, despite being the Vice Pres of HACC"

I don't understand the term "survivor" as applied to victims of sex crimes.

The reason given for not having the death penalty for pedos is that they would kill their victims like the Hispanic in San Fran that was caught on video tossing the body of the 8yo white girl Maddy Middleton he rape to death into a dumpster.

It's borderline what the 770'ers do. Change the subject by dissecting an inconsequential detail

Moslems raping on a train was a thread from last week.

I used to think it would be polygamy I think feminists understand they will have a hard enough time getting just one person to stand being around them. When I heard someone say she felt sorry for one professor because she seemed to be destined to be an old spinster, I told her "You should feel sorry for her not being alone, her crazy girlfriend tries to tell women they should use reusable washable menstrual pads(that she sold Naturally Cozy) TO SAVE THE PLANNET" Obviously she is the reason NYC isn't under water this year.

When you dislike a person (in this case, VD) enough to take the side of pedophiles rather than agree with said person

VD doesn't offer them free babysitting

Anonymous tublecane January 09, 2016 2:05 PM  

"Yes, of all things, THAT is the real issue here"

I don't care if it's "the real issue" or not. Can we only talk about what is most "real?" No semantics are allowed on a thread about rape, why? Because it's rape, and rape is serious and Real.

You could be talking about pedophilia or immigration every time you talk about the Vikings. Does that make your Vikings posts autistic? You could almost always be talking about something realer.

That "train is fine" joke is ridiculously overplayed on this site. For one thing, whether or not a train is damaged actually is news, despite people being more important. Some people cared about the Twin Towers collapsing in addition to thousands of people dying on 9/11 (though not as much me because I thought they were eyesores).

Blogger John Wright January 09, 2016 2:10 PM  

@39

"One day we will discover a cure for their madness."

The cure is Christ. The madness is sin.

When I worked for a muckracking newspaper called the Saint Mary's Today, I noticed the difference between honest politicians accused falsely and dishonest politicians accused truly.

The honest ones said, "That is not true" whereas the dishonest one said, "You can't prove that, and besides, I have a pardon from the governor."

The really dishonest ones said, "Hah! You work for the Saint Mary's Today! That paper is despicable!"

This shoot the messenger stuff comes is as old as Man blaming Eve blaming the snake.

Blogger Nick S January 09, 2016 2:29 PM  

Because it's rape, and rape is serious and Real.

Not for long. The advancing normalization and defense of sexual deviancy will soon render rape victimhood an inoccuous social contruct and its perpetration a fundamental human right.

Anonymous The Dude January 09, 2016 2:51 PM  

I had the opportunity to hang out with some fans (MZB Society for Creative Anachronism types) a few decades ago. Their mental boundaries between reality and fantasy were quite porous.

Three SCA women were discussing courtier politics in their regional SCA chapter and how "Lord Harold", the leader of "The Horde" (in real life a Madison, WI mailman) had assembled his minions and auctioned off his flesh and blood daughter's virginity.

What shocked them was that this auction was a breach of the local SCA court protocol. Their local SCA king (duke, earl, whatever) had first dibs on her virginity, something like that.

None of them expressed any concern that a bunch of weird men playacting [?] medieval Throne of Bones rape in some greasy mailman's house in Madison, WI with some teen girl was not good.

I kept waiting for one of them to say, "This is sick. Should we contact Social Services?", but they never did. They all sat there around a kitchen table in a rural Dane County farmhouse, wearing street clothes, sipping coffee, mentally stuck in their fantasy life, disconnected from reality.

MZB's (and SCA's) sexual sickness is contagious.

Anonymous Mr. Rational January 09, 2016 3:23 PM  

@45 was this sale physically consummated, or was it also just play-acting?

Blogger kh123 January 09, 2016 3:28 PM  

@45 "I had the opportunity to hang out with some fans (MZB Society for Creative Anachronism types) a few decades ago. Their mental boundaries between reality and fantasy were quite porous."

Look up the case of Gabriel Carrillo, aka Caradoc. Involved in SCA, young boy stays at his place and mysteriously washes up on the beach a few days later. Unsolved Mysteries case on it back in the late 80's. Notable in the piece was the contrast between the grieving dad - left with more than a few questions about his son - and this languid chickenhawk professing his ignorance; "I don't know, he was just innocently staying at my place. He knocked on my door and said he was going to the beach, at 2 a.m...".

@44 "The advancing normalization and defense of sexual deviancy will soon render rape victimhood an inoccuous social contruct and its perpetration a fundamental human right."

And in some shaded little corner of an oversized lawn in Whitebred Ohio, Scalzi whispers "Inshallah".

OpenID basementhomebrewer January 09, 2016 4:13 PM  

@42 I am not sure if you are mocking aspie's or if you actually are aspie. I suspect that you actually are aspie. In which case you just perfectly demonstrated why you shouldn't be taken seriously.

Blogger Pseudotsuga January 09, 2016 4:34 PM  

@45:
The SCA (meaning the corporation, not the groups or individuals) was hit with a quite public legal scandal recently involving a pedophile (see http://sca.org/BOD/announcements/settlementannouncement1.pdf for details).
(disclaimer here: I do NOT represent the SCA nor any of its groups, and I am not currently a member, although I have been before. I would be considered a "fringe" SCA person, since I am not active in the SCA and I have only been active quite infrequently since the 1980s when I first became involved while in high school.)

If I remember correctly, the SCA has recently made policies in their bylaws to help prevent such things in the future. For the record, as published in the document SCA Settlement FAQ:
What has the SCA done to prevent this type of problem from happening in the future?

The SCA has worked to improve its policies and institute new policies where needed. Some of the new policies include the two-deep rule and criminal background checks on anyone wishing to administer youth activities. The Board will be addressing long-range plans for improving its governance structure and risk assessment protocols during 2012, after consultation with internal and outside counsel, as well as the SCA’s financial advisors.


So, kudos for the effort, belated and forced though it was. I mention this not as an apology for or an excuse for the example you gave--it certainly is more than merely "troubling." I know (as do you, TheDude @45) that not all SCA members can be tarred with that same brush, yet the fact that this behavior was covered up, or perhaps even overlooked (and this is certainly not the ONLY example) is not good.
I suspect that the only reasons the changes came about is because of the lawsuit. If not for the lawsuit, the system of "honor" and "chivalry" would be the only "protections" available.

The disadvantage that SCA Inc. had here is that there was a corporate, insured organization that could be brought to court. I don't know if SFWA (or the various conventions) could be similar targets (due to structure or demographics).
As a final note, I find it abhorrent that these...people (I'm trying to find a nice word)...at File770 can't look beyond the tips of their virtue-signaling noses at reality. I don't want their tastes and appetites to choose what is good in my chosen genre of literature.

Blogger Sir Thermite January 09, 2016 4:55 PM  

"And in some shaded little corner of an oversized lawn in Whitebred Ohio, Scalzi whispers "Inshallah".

I like the cut of your jib.

Blogger Wayne Earl January 09, 2016 5:15 PM  

I am the Wayne Earl in the comment thread on the blog.

And I am a Rabid Puppy, and VFM.

Unleash the Dogs on Tor.....

Blogger Wayne Earl January 09, 2016 5:24 PM  

A little insider knowledge - the same people surrounding Moiria as she was growing up also are the historical founders of the SCA.

Blogger Wayne Earl January 09, 2016 5:27 PM  

Furthermore, for more information, these very same people are the core of a "convention" called Pantheacon.

I will speak no more here. But if I were to be run over by a truck in 60 seconds from this post, I will die a man with honor intact.

Blogger John Williams January 09, 2016 5:56 PM  

Helluva thing to double down on.

Blogger dc.sunsets January 09, 2016 6:11 PM  

John Wright said it last week. These people are addicted to a false sense of moral superiority, and like all addicts they are utterly impervious to outside intervention.

Addicts create a complete False Reality in which their addiction is absent.

As with all addictions, few people choose to face their weakness and act to stop feeding their personal demon.

Blogger Joe Keenan January 09, 2016 6:16 PM  

Bradley was a pagan, as I recall, she and Paxson founded, The Center For Non Traditional Religion; this was later re-organized into a organization called, The Spiral Path. In light of Moira Greyland's revelations, Bradley's Mists of Avalon, with it's ritualistic child abuse, reads like a rationalization for child abuse. I wonder will the award it won (84?) be withdrawn?

Blogger John Williams January 09, 2016 6:16 PM  

Anyone care to explain how Vox et al are "twisting" this or taking things out of connect?
SJW's always lie.

You could be talking about pedophilia...every time you talk about the Vikings.
Talking about Sparklepunter?

Blogger dc.sunsets January 09, 2016 6:25 PM  


"There is No Place in Civilized Society for SJWs", just as the Dark Lord has repeatedly stated.


Because the blast radius of their addiction encompasses an entire civilization. They are the bringers of pestilence, the conduit of ruin.

Blogger Groot January 09, 2016 6:26 PM  

I finally read one of those articles. They kept warning that, if you don't want to be offended by sick stuff, don't read. So I didn't. Now I was expecting to post something about outrage or sickos.

But @42 "whether or not a train is damaged actually is news" leaves me gobsmacked. tublecane, you're an intelligent and articulate guy, and being called autistic isn't an insult, and I'm not saying you're autistic. But you're autistic.

Anonymous Flyover Resident January 09, 2016 6:58 PM  

I am a wife, mother, and sci-fi fan since my mid-teens. Seeing these cavalier dismissals of SF's pedo problem makes me feel positively ... rabid.

#JeSuisChiotsEnragés

Anonymous Big Bill January 09, 2016 7:00 PM  

@46: Was it playacting? I did not attend Lord Whatever's party/conventicle so I don't know. By their description there was a group of men who had SCA personas of a conquering horde that gathered at the home of the Lord to drink, party, and auction off her virginity. Again, SCA-people have very porous personality boundaries, so I don't know how far it went, hence the question mark.

Blogger Didact January 09, 2016 7:10 PM  

I nearly threw up when I read those posts at Castalia House. I know that I will never be clean again after reading what these supposed "icons" of SF/F have done to children. They must be wiped out, root and branch.

Dark Lord, unleash us. Let us bring to these people the destruction that they so richly deserve. Let us give the victims the unshakable support and faith that they need to restore a modicum of sanity to their lives.

We await your command.

SJW DELENDA EST

Didact
(VFM 4508)

Anonymous Ain January 09, 2016 9:43 PM  

“RE: Castalia House’s new thing. It’s a reactionary tactic called Amplification, where they use the language of progressive politics to either accuse progressives of doing something horrible, or to claim that the horrible thing they do must be accepted by progressives or they’re being discriminatory.”

Now there's some great projection for you. How about this: Since you want to blot people out for badthink or wrongfun, how about black listing your child molesters while you're at it?

Blogger LP999 S.I.G. Burnin' Up January 10, 2016 12:32 AM  

And no SJW or any other critic can claim we or puppies or Vox hates women children - we clearly do not and wish to help/protect them. The following is doc'ed or documented; immigrationrape, other rape topic and vampervs in their horrid cosplay animal gear are EXPOSED FOR THEIR PERVERSITY.

Blogger LP999 S.I.G. Burnin' Up January 10, 2016 12:35 AM  

Castalia House will succeed and surpass competition. I am more than thrilled for CH's focus for writing and gaming. CH has the best leardship, staff, writers, smartest men at the helm.

Anonymous IndecisiveEvidence January 10, 2016 12:49 AM  

I hate these people.

I probably shouldn't though.

I'll pray extra hard tonight to make up for it. That hate ain't going away soon.

OpenID anonymos-coward January 10, 2016 12:49 AM  

John Wright said it last week. These people are addicted to a false sense of moral superiority, and like all addicts they are utterly impervious to outside intervention.
Well, no. They're Gnostics. Gnosticism is an ancient religion that dates to before Christianity, a religion that is massively influential in Western Europe and European thought.

Gnosticism can be basically boiled down to three core precepts:

a) The Universe is evil or actively indifferent to man.

b) Man is a 'real self' inhabiting a fleshy robot container.

c) Salvation can be achieved on its own by application of correct thinking.

Gnostics actively support homosexuality and pedophilia, because they believe that procreative sex is evil. (They always profess some form of anti-natalism.)


Gnosticism, despite its immense influence and popularity, is an underground esoteric religion. (Reason for that is that the orthodox Christian Churches will persecute Gnostics extremely violently with the force of arms.)

Last time the Gnostics professed their faith openly was in the 14th century, which led to the horrors of the Albigensian Crusade.

P.S. This, BTW, is why they are flooding Europe with Muslims -- they think Islam will be more tolerant of the Gnostic religion than Christianity.

Blogger Feather Blade January 10, 2016 1:05 AM  

@18 Anyone care to explain how Vox et al are "twisting" this or taking things out of connect?

Because shut up, they explained.

Anonymous IndecisiveEvidence January 10, 2016 1:17 AM  

I hate these people.

I shouldn't, I suppose.

I shall just pray extra hard tonight. The hate is not going away soon.

Blogger Markku January 10, 2016 1:33 AM  

Gnosticism is an ancient religion that dates to before Christianity

No, it doesn't. It dates to second century. You'll find some similarities to pagan religions, but Gnosticism as a specific religion arose from Christendom.

Blogger Thucydides January 10, 2016 2:09 AM  

Friends, you will have to rediscover the Russian art of Samizdat.

SJWs are taking to the internet in an attempt to scour it of every Badthink or Wrongfeel, including shutting down Social Media accounts, getting people barred from sites like Goodreads (as our host can attest) and gaming the system to ensure the wrong ideas get pushed to the bottom of the pile (I was just reading how, in a slightly different context, this was done to give a Bollywood movie about the war in East Pakistan/Bangladesh the bottom ranking in IMDb.

So yes, it may be possible to continue to use the Internet on your own sites (much like Vox is discussing how to fork Wikipedia), or use mesh nets and dark nets to avoid detection, but since we will essentially be talking to each other, ideas will be walled off from the remainder of the world.

Samizdat and related propaganda and PSYOPS techniques are ways of getting around these walls of censorship, not only in the Internet, but media "Narratives", bureaucratic obstruction and other obstacles to presenting the truth. We will need to find and use every available tool to fight this battle and to win. A new Dark Age of ignorance and depravity is not something I want to leave for my children to inherit.

Blogger Wayne Earl January 10, 2016 2:11 AM  

Because former-sjws sometimes lie, here's another post from me ;-)

I did get violently ill from reading the series. And had a nightmare that I had not experienced in many years.

And I am glad for them. They remind me what evil is.

They also remind me that the 1% of evil there corrupts the 99% of the good and indifferent.

And that I am willing to go the distance to ensure that nightmares that Moiria and myself experience end with us.

Blogger Groot January 10, 2016 2:14 AM  

@Markku:

True enough, according to Gibbons in The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire.

Question: How many monkeys does it take typing randomly before they come up with the works of Shakespeare?

Answer: I don't know, but it takes one (1) Gibbons typing to come up with The Decline and Fall.

Blogger The Overgrown Hobbit January 10, 2016 4:36 AM  

It's wanhope that any will hear me, but the SJW pedobears are no more trad Fandom than the blue-haired lesbian minister is trad Lutheran.

THIS is true, trad fandom: my tribe going on 3 decades:

(Link goes to Uncle Timmy vs. The Thought. police: http://jasoncordova.com/2014/05/20/uncle-timmy-and-the-thought-police/)

Has the infiltration of fandom by the totalitarian, amoral vileprogs reached the point of no return?

The campaign to end puppy-related sadness says, no. The rabid puppies and VD say, are you nuts? Hell, yeah (Pardon my Klatchian)

But one of the things that brought many of the "Sads" out of the woodwork, was the discovery, thanks to Mr. Correia's brave efforts, of how badly the good name of fandom had been betrayed.

We used to be harmless wierdos.

OpenID anonymos-coward January 10, 2016 7:03 AM  

No, it doesn't. It dates to second century. You'll find some similarities to pagan religions, but Gnosticism as a specific religion arose from Christendom.
No, there's a confusion of terminology here. You're talking about the specific sects of Gnosticism which appropriated Christian language and Christian ritual. They were (and are) only a small part of the Gnostic continuum, however.

The theological roots of Gnosticism are like a kind of virulent, extremely fundamentalist Buddhism.

Some scholars make the argument that the resemblance isn't accidental and that Gnosticism is a direct descendant of Buddhism via 'oriental mystery cults' and the Greco-Indian kingdoms.

Blogger Markku January 10, 2016 7:05 AM  

No, there's a confusion of terminology here.

Nope, by that name, or by the prevalence of the word "gnosis" in their creed, the movement can be tracked back only to the second century. All hypotheses of its earlier origins are pure conjecture.

Blogger Markku January 10, 2016 7:17 AM  

It is only the same religion if you can trace the tradition further back. If we saw the writings from second century, such that they integrated the New Testament to their existing belief system but we could trace this tradition back to a pre-Christian era, then we could say that there is the general religion of Gnosticism, and a Christian version of it.

But this is not the case. It just pops up in the second century. We have no earlier Gnostic documents, nor references to particular Gnostic religious authorities who passed the system on to the second century authors. All evidence points to those second century people inventing the religion, and giving lip service to believing the New Testament right from the beginning.

OpenID anonymos-coward January 10, 2016 7:46 AM  

Nope, by that name, or by the prevalence of the word "gnosis" in their creed
The Gnostics never called themselves thus and rarely used the term 'gnosis'. It's a term invented by (some) academics hundreds of years after the fact. (Yes, we probably do need a better name for this religion, though Wikipedia in particular seems to have settled for 'Gnosticism', https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Gnosticism)

In fact, almost all names of Gnostic sects are names that were used by their enemies, not by themselves. ('Cathars', 'Bohomils', 'Manicheans', etc.)

But this is not the case. It just pops up in the second century. We have no earlier Gnostic documents, nor references to particular Gnostic religious authorities who passed the system on to the second century authors.
That is true, but you're misinterpreting the reason why.

'Orthodox' Gnosticism refuses holy books and religious authority. It was and is a very anti-establishment, anti-hierarchy religion.

Their beliefs, however, are remarkably stable over the millennia. I listed three peculiar core tenets above that are specific to Gnosticism and not found in any other religion.

Blogger Joe Keenan January 10, 2016 8:42 AM  

@77 Is the correct. The idea that "join my cult and I'll tell you the real truth" goes back way before the 2nd century. Gnostics simply added their perspective to existing beliefs systems and then claimed their corrupted text/belief system predated the non corrupt; that the non corrupt derived from their corrupt text/belief system.

Also, the argument that the lack of a written canon pre 2nd century determines that gnosticism arose in the 2nd century is specious on several levels. On one level, it argues the lack of evidence is evidence of absence; on another, it projects sola scriptura backwards in history. As most people could not read, the utility of written word was limited, the spoken word had the power. At Pentecost the Holy Spirit gave the gift of gab, not the gift of writing.

The declaring and closing of the Canon of Scripture in the late 4th century was in part inspired by the spread of the Gnostic heresy into Christianity and the reading of gnostic writings at Mass.

Blogger Joe Keenan January 10, 2016 8:52 AM  

@71 Your pain is because you walk with Chirst the Via Dolorosa, The Way of Sorrows. Offer your pain up to God as Christ did. See:

http://www.ourcatholicprayers.com/offering-prayers.html

God Bless You

Anonymous That Would Be Telling January 10, 2016 9:25 AM  

@73 The Overgrown Hobbit:

It's wanhope that any will hear me, but the SJW pedobears are no more trad Fandom than the blue-haired lesbian minister is trad Lutheran.

THIS is true, trad fandom: my tribe going on 3 decades:


I personally am not so sure about that, I note the Breendoggle and general fan refusal to eject him before and after it dates 1963, and like our host, but I assume a bit earlier, I took one look at fandom at the 1981 Boskone and said "Hell No!". The article notes that the convention's history goes back to 1941, and I note the top picture of it from the 2006 convention features none other than McRapey in a picture credited to PNH. I also note this telling paragraph:

In the 1980s, Boskone exploded in popularity—gaining a reputation as the "Winter Worldcon," and surpassing the attendance of the World Science Fiction Convention in both 1985 and 1987—peaking at an attendance of 4200 for Boskone XXIV in 1987. Seeking to pull back to a more modest convention, the organizers deemphasized movie and media-related activities and moved Boskone out of Boston to Springfield for five years and then to Framingham. The convention would not return to Boston until 2003, and has yet to again exceed 1400 attendees.

Seems they have a strong idea about what a true fan is and is not, and I'm loathe to declare them non-true fans.

Blogger Danby January 10, 2016 9:28 AM  

The theological roots of Gnosticism are like a kind of virulent, extremely fundamentalist Buddhism.
Much deeper than that. Most Gnostic cosmology can be found in the writings of Zoroaster, which are themselves derivative of religious thought that permeated Central Asia before the Classical period of antiquity.
Gnosticism in its various forms can fairly be described as the native religion of the Aryan peoples, going back 4000 years, in the same way Paganism is the native religion of the European.
That Gnostic ideas can be found in Buddhism can largely be attributed to the Persian conquest of Northern India.

Blogger Were-Puppy January 10, 2016 10:03 AM  

@78 Joe Keenan

The declaring and closing of the Canon of Scripture in the late 4th century was in part inspired by the spread of the Gnostic heresy into Christianity and the reading of gnostic writings at Mass.
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I don't know much about this topic, but I do own a book that I haven't read yet:

Folio Society Gnostic Gospels

"In 1945, thirteen papyrus books that had lain buried since the 4th century were discovered in an earthenware jar near Nag Hammadi, in Upper Egypt. These were the Gnostic Gospels, alternative Christian texts which challenge those of the New Testament at every turn. In this superb collection, the world's leading Gnostic scholars shed light on an exciting and controversial discovery"


I thought it was going to be a historical type work, but apparently it is a bunch of things that were not included in the Bible for various reasons.

Blogger Joe Keenan January 10, 2016 10:17 AM  

@82 The Nag Hammadi texts aren't Christian, they're gnostic. Text/teachings like that are why the Church declared and closed the Canon of Scripture in the late 4th century AD. Until the declaring of the canon, all kinds of things were read at Mass, the Shepard of Hermas, the Gospel of Mary, the Didache. With the rise of heterodox writings though, confusion spread. To help end this confusion, the canon was declared and closed. The texts not in the Bible were not "forgotten" or "lost" they were either heterodox, or, not especially theologically noteworthy (Sheppard of Hermas).

Blogger Wayne Earl January 10, 2016 12:39 PM  

Hey guys, no one gives a fuck about the Gnostics. Just sayin' wank elsewhere.

Blogger Groot January 10, 2016 7:53 PM  

So, if you're not a Gnostic, but you are a Christian, does that make you an agnostic Christian or a Christian agnostic?

Anonymous DarthWheatley #2415 January 11, 2016 9:32 AM  

@62 Dark Lord, unleash us. Let us bring to these people the destruction that they so richly deserve. Let us give the victims the unshakable support and faith that they need to restore a modicum of sanity to their lives.

Soon... soon.

I, too, was interested in SCA back in the day, but even in my most pagan of days, I would have been disgusted by what is described here.

When the purge comes, it will be thorough.

It cannot come soon enough. But for now, we must wait.

Blogger Didact January 12, 2016 11:40 AM  

@86,

KILL! MAIM! BURN!

Anonymous tublecane January 14, 2016 7:44 PM  

@87-There's "gnostic" with a little "g," which means "relating to knowledge," and "Gnostic" with a big "G," which is still heretical Christian sect. They are two different terms, though the latter got its name from the former (sort of like how Catholicism got its name from "catholic," meaning "universal.")

Blogger Groot January 16, 2016 1:31 AM  

"Nothing goes over my head. My reflexes are too fast, I would catch it.” – tublecane.

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