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Monday, February 01, 2016

A man ahead of his time

20 years ago, Sam Francis foresaw something akin to The Trumpening in America's political future:
What if you dropped all this leftover 19th-century piety about the free market and promised to fight the elites who were selling out American jobs? What if you just stopped talking about reforming Medicare and Social Security and instead said that the elites were failing to deliver better health care at a reasonable price? What if, instead of vainly talking about restoring the place of religion in society — something that appeals only to a narrow slice of Middle America — you simply promised to restore the Middle American core — the economic and cultural losers of globalization — to their rightful place in America? What if you said you would restore them as the chief clients of the American state under your watch, being mindful of their interests when regulating the economy or negotiating trade deals?

That's pretty much the advice that columnist Samuel Francis gave to Pat Buchanan in a 1996 essay, "From Household to Nation," in Chronicles magazine. Samuel Francis was a paleo-conservative intellectual who died in 2005. Earlier in his career he helped Senator East of North Carolina oppose the Martin Luther King holiday. He wrote a white paper recommending the Reagan White House use its law enforcement powers to break up and harass left-wing groups. He was an intellectual disciple of James Burnham's political realism, and Francis' political analysis always had a residue of Burnham's Marxist sociology about it. He argued that the political right needed to stop playing defense — the globalist left won the political and cultural war a long time ago — and should instead adopt the insurgent strategy of communist intellectual Antonio Gramsci. Francis eventually turned into a something resembling an all-out white nationalist, penning his most racist material under a pen name. Buchanan didn't take Francis' advice in 1996, not entirely. But 20 years later, "From Household to Nation," reads like a political manifesto from which the Trump campaign springs.

To simplify Francis' theory: There are a number of Americans who are losers from a process of economic globalization that enriches a transnational global elite. These Middle Americans see jobs disappearing to Asia and increased competition from immigrants. Most of them feel threatened by cultural liberalism, at least the type that sees Middle Americans as loathsome white bigots. But they are also threatened by conservatives who would take away their Medicare, hand their Social Security earnings to fund-managers in Connecticut, and cut off their unemployment too.
I myself have been writing about America's bi-factional ruling party for more than twelve years, but only recently has it seemed that people are beginning to wake up to the fact that neither the Republicans nor the Democrats are genuinely on the side of the average white Americans who comprise the genuine American nation.

Sooner or later, all politics inevitably becomes tribal, because the only scenario in which so-called post-tribal politics is possible is in a formerly homogeneous nation that is in the early stages of becoming heterogeneous. In other words, there is no such thing as "post-tribal" politics, there is only pre-tribal politics.

And tribal politics is the larval form of war.

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69 Comments:

Anonymous PhillipGeorge©2016 February 01, 2016 5:44 AM  

In the last 8 weeks the best thing I've read here, out of a lot of good stuff mind you, is the "respect" someone's right to never assimilate. It's brilliant. It's "deal with reality or die", as both a nation or individual.

Define yourself, protect your own and deal with every threat.

You really respect other religions? Respect the death threats they contain?

SJW's aren't only liars, they just haven't thought it through. And ignorance running as deeply as theirs is a deadly threat.

OpenID simplytimothy February 01, 2016 5:48 AM  

In familiarizing myself with the #altright, I am struck by the rich intellectual history of the Historical American People. What I see is SJW convergance (or a proto-version of it) in the dying journals that where originally charged with maintaining it.

Reading Joe Sobran after his purge from National Review (by Buckley) for thinking about anti-semitism and daring to consider opposing arguments, one is struck by the flagrant anti-Americanism that has infected American institutions.

The cure is now what it was then; Courage, fearlessness, integrity.


Like the Soviet Union, the forces of Anti-Americanism are built on sand; this fragility explains the outsized outrage and charges leveled by them, like Maori's fearsome faces, the facade crumbles with a bullet to the chest. There is no there there.

It is a great time to be alive; we have a great work to do.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr February 01, 2016 5:55 AM  

Trump's power base isn't the normal Republican voters. It's the old Reagan Democrats. Lower-middle class, blue-collar...and abandoned by both parties. If Trump can also make an appeal to the upper middle class Payers who are equally abandoned, he'll be unstoppable.

Blogger YIH February 01, 2016 5:58 AM  

The Bush-Clinton-Obama trade policies produced the $12 trillion in trade deficits, which measures the net export of U.S. factories and manufacturing jobs, which explain the wage stagnation.

The Republican-neocon foreign policy of intervention and nation building is a primary cause of the present disasters in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and Yemen.

Who said that? Pat Buchanan just a few days ago.
Or it could have been the same time The Simpsons was a short cartoon segment on The Tracy Ullman Show, take your pick.

Anonymous Haxo Angmark February 01, 2016 6:14 AM  

I think he's got it

but Trump himself is an opportunistic blowhard who, if Prez, would not do a thing about the globalist rackets. I lived and worked in NYC 1974-94, and know the SOB's operational code quite well

his role is simply to split and liquidate the Republiscam party. He is doing a fine job of it so far, and that will be sufficient

Mrs. Clinton in the WH - plus debtPonziconomy collapse - will take us the rest of the way to CW II

Anonymous Nxx February 01, 2016 6:14 AM  

Francis eventually turned into a something resembling an all-out white nationalist, penning his most racist material under a pen name.

A pen name? Anyone know what it was?

Anonymous PhillipGeorge©2016 February 01, 2016 6:33 AM  

then step II Haxo is simply winning civil war II. Should be a simple matter of aim and squeeze. What's your first target?

Blogger So Meh February 01, 2016 6:52 AM  

Only Bill Clinton could get NAFTA passed. The agreement came into force on January 1, 1994. It is a true "Free Trade Agreement" that is, a "Free Trade Experiment". You can go back (1994) and read why it would benefit the United States. 20+ years later, it as been a failure for the United States. Great for Mexico and Canada. Bad for America. "Some states have lost a lot of manufacturing jobs to Mexico, particularly Michigan, Indiana, Kentucky, Ohio and Tennessee. The Economic Policy Institute, released a report in 2011 saying U.S. workers have seen nearly 700,000 jobs go to Mexican competitors." The best supporters of NAFTA can say today is those jobs would instead of have been sent to China, if not Mexico, that is, better those jobs went to Mexico, because Mexicans buy more America goods and services. for the record, I was a NAFTA supporter at the time of passage. I have read the NAFTA results and have first hand seen the damage of the those results of the experiment to the former workers and communities. I do not support trade agreements unless they are between similar economies with similar labor /wage standards and standards of living. Immigration and Trade are the "new" 2 political wedge issues for 10% - 15% of the voting public. Mark Steyn wrote the definitive summary of the current political realignment in his article "The World They Made" very long quote, "If the present polls hold up through Iowa and New Hampshire, it'd be the reconfiguration of Mr. and Mrs. Main Street America as just another interest group. So a philosophical commitment to free trade means less to them than the degeneration of mill and factory towns into wastelands of fast-food service jobs and heroin addiction. An abstract respect for religious pluralism means less to them than reducing the number of crazies running around whose last words before opening fire are "Allahu akbar!" A theoretical belief in private-sector health care means less to them than not getting stiffed by crappy five-figure health "insurance" that can be yanked out from under you at any moment under Byzantine rules and regulations that change 30 times a day. And bipartisan myth-making about "a nation of immigrants" means a whole lot less than another decade of Press One For English, flatlined wages, sanctuary cities and remorseless cultural transformation..." read the whole thing
http://www.steynonline.com/7432/the-world-they-made

Blogger Hacker February 01, 2016 7:02 AM  

Lee Kuan Yew said that in a multi-racial society people vote with their race or religion

OpenID sigbouncer February 01, 2016 7:16 AM  

Francis at this time was able to witness and be influenced by the political movements and Presidential runs of Ralph Nader ('92 '96 Green Party), Ron Paul ('88 Libertarian Party) and Pat Buchanan ('92 Republican Party). There were some Trump similarities in all of these men with respect to their views on the country as political outsiders. As each of these men has philosophical ownership in the pieces of what Francis wrote later in his '96 penning.

Many wouldn't consider Nader to be a White Nationalist due to his leaning left. But Nader's history tends to say otherwise (links provided). And while the elder Paul and Buchanan identify themselves as traditional conservatives. I don't think anyone would argue against either as not being a White Nationalist.


https://raimd.wordpress.com/2008/08/19/the-white-nationalism-of-the-colorado-greens/

As the Green Party itself is committed to white populism, keeping the standard of living for white Amerikans, and the Amerikan environment preserved for their weekend hiking trips. Many still want it to be a party of the great white hope Ralph Nader.


http://www.charlestoncitypaper.com/SouthernAvenger/archives/2008/06/27/the-left-conservative-ralph-nader-white-guilt-and-black-nationalism

"Kudos to Ralph Nader for telling the truth about Barack Obama:

'He wants to appeal to white guilt. You appeal to white guilt not by coming on as black is beautiful, black is powerful. Basically he’s coming on as someone who is not going to threaten the white power structure, whether it’s corporate or whether it’s simply oligarchic. And they love it. Whites just eat it up.'


http://hotair.com/archives/2008/02/29/david-duke-you-know-whos-looking-pretty-good-for-president-ralph-nader/

Blogger tz February 01, 2016 7:40 AM  

Pushback here too
Montana doesn't want refugees

Blogger Doom February 01, 2016 7:51 AM  

I've been punching the ticket. Every time I see a "conservative" lament about European immigration problems, I shovel the fact that we have more, and not really better. Oh, I had to get my ass handed to me on the matter, but, fine. At least I didn't fight it, I actually just checked. Thanks, by the way, Vox. And you are welcome for no ankle biting. Though I think you like kicking, so...

It's going to come down real hard. There might end up being fewer Americans (and Europeans), but the ones who remain, hopefully, are going to be a bit more robust, and more likely to breed... and to keep their politicians in hand or under foot.

Amen.

Blogger Josh February 01, 2016 7:54 AM  

That essay was tremendously helpful in understanding Trump's appeal and why he's been immune to most attacks. Trump isn't a conservative, so the "no true conservative" attacks don't work. Trump is operating on a globalist-nationalist paradigm, not a liberal-conservative one.

Blogger Kallmunz February 01, 2016 7:57 AM  

Now there may be hope for Germany:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/12132657/Merkel-warns-asylum-seekers-that-German-refuge-is-temporary.html

Blogger Mr.MantraMan February 01, 2016 7:58 AM  

Damned if I remember a pen name nor can I think of anything in AmRen which resembled his style. He was purged by the gimps from the Washington Times at the demands from the world healing neocons. Gordon Liddy always used to read his editorials and gush, then the purge and voila, non-person.

Blogger rumpole5 February 01, 2016 8:12 AM  

I challenge the exclusion of Black Americans from the Trump phenomena. At least in the south, Blacks are imbedded into our culture. It is an Anglo/Christian culture, to be sure, but it is profoundly shaped and influenced by the attitudes, sayings, and habits of the African component. The traditional Black American Christian is just as insulted by the new elite as the traditional White American is. That is why Trump has significant Black support.

Blogger dc.sunsets February 01, 2016 8:17 AM  

I used to think that democracy inevitably yields a Hobbesian state of nature, the war of all against all.

I now see that this is most inevitable and pathological in a "diverse" (heterogeneous) polity.

In the West today we have a political system at war on its brains, on the geese that lay all the golden eggs.

I finally have some grasp of how Pol Pot instituted Cambodia's Killing Fields.

Blogger Chent February 01, 2016 8:35 AM  

"What if, instead of vainly talking about restoring the place of religion in society — something that appeals only to a narrow slice of Middle America — you simply promised to restore the Middle American core — the economic and cultural losers of globalization — to their rightful place in America?"

The problem is that globalization and the worsening of the exploitation by the elites are consequences of secularization.

Secularization -> The goal of life is money and pleasure and there is no punishment for bad deeds -> So grab all the money you can and forget about other people: tomorrow you will be dead -> if you are part of the elite, this means screw Middle America

But hey, Francis was right about Republican politicians "vainly talking". They are only words by people who are not Christian to get votes. As with women, don't listen what they say, watch what they do.

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler February 01, 2016 8:50 AM  

You're not the first to say that. Prof. J. Salwyn Schapiro summarizes Bertrand Russell's conclusions: "All Englishmen are liberals: the Conservatives are liberals on the right and the Laborites are liberals on the left". (Liberalism and the Challenge of Fascism, pg 21)

Blogger YIH February 01, 2016 8:52 AM  

A pen name? Anyone know what it was?
Googling it came up with the article Vox linked and this:
Ellison Lodge tweets at me:

1. I asked his three closest “white nationalist” allies, he did not use a “racist” pen name. @AmRenaissance @vdare

2. He did use name “Edwin Clark” for some @AmRenaissance, but not to hide his “racism” @vdare @occdissent

3. You can read them [here and here].

4. @jartaylor writes in Essential Writings on Race that he used it b/c he was writing outside his field of expertise

Apparently he submitted stuff to Amren as “Edwin Clark”, not much to go on there, sort of like when NR dubbed Pat Buchanan ''vaguely anti-semitic'' for his statements on The Gulf War (back in 1991) .

Blogger Sean February 01, 2016 9:20 AM  

The old ideological basis for politics is falling to the wayside. In America II, all politics will be Identity Politics.

Blogger Josh February 01, 2016 9:28 AM  

The old ideological basis for politics is falling to the wayside. In America II, all politics will be Identity Politics.

Most of American politics have historically been identity politics.

Blogger YIH February 01, 2016 9:31 AM  

If anyone's the template for Trump, it's Ross Perot.
Remember him? At his peak (right before he discontinued his campaign) he was polling above both Bush and Clinton. Disparaged as ''not conservative'' (mainly because he stated he was 'pro-choice') the only drums he beat were his opposition to illegal immigration and NAFTA.
Perot eventually stated the reason was that he received threats that digitally altered photographs would be released by the Bush campaign to sabotage his daughter's wedding.[34] Whatever his reasons for withdrawing, his reputation was badly damaged.
He likely would not have been a good President. His temperament was plainly wrong, had he won it probably would have driven him nuts - as in straight-jacket rubber-room stuff.
Would Trump be a good Prez? Who knows? He may well turn out to be Hector Alizondo Donald Trump Camacho. Which can't be worse than what we've already been through for the past 8 years - or the Lizard Queen/GOP seven dwarfs.

Blogger S Ss February 01, 2016 9:58 AM  

It's long been blatantly obvious that Republicans and Democrats have functioned very well in dividing and conquering.

Republicans: "Dems kill babies and love homos! They want to give all your money to lazy welfare bums! They hate Christians! They hate Israel and love terrorists!"

Dems: "Republicans are racist and hate women! They are ok with children shooting themselves with daddy's guns! They want blacks all in prison and women all barefoot and pregnant!"

All smoke and mirrors while they gut the middle class, turn the US into Brazil, fight Israel's wars and sell our descendants into mass debt slavery.

Anonymous Joe Blowe February 01, 2016 10:07 AM  

Perot eventually stated the reason was that he received threats that digitally altered photographs would be released by the Bush campaign to sabotage his daughter's wedding

No one would give up the Presidency for that ridiculous reason. More likely "ex"-CIA Commander Poppy Bush and his business partner in the Iran/Contra guns and drug smuggling operation, Bill Clinton, threatened to kill Perot's daughter.

If that happened Perot is still a wuss or dropping out. The Founding Fathers gave up a lot more than that to win independence.

Anonymous cincinnatus February 01, 2016 10:09 AM  

Now there may be hope for Germany:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/12132657/Merkel-warns-asylum-seekers-that-German-refuge-is-temporary.html


@14 Kallmunz
Talk is cheap. Merkel keeps saying she'll try to reduce the flow of r@pefugees, but nothing has actually been happening.

I remember when Fiorina repeated that quote about if you want something talked about, ask a man, but if you want something done, ask a woman. Talk about a$$-backwards.

Blogger S Ss February 01, 2016 10:16 AM  

How much support does he really have from blacks? Most blacks have been successfully trained to think that it's in their best interests to throw their lot in with mestizos and Muslims and other "people of color" against big ol' mean racist whitey. They see the Dems crying about how "racist" Trump is and they bite hook, line and sinker due to the inability of most blacks to see the world outside of an anti-white paradigm.

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Blogger Gaiseric February 01, 2016 10:23 AM  

@26 Month old data, but still: http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/breaking-poll-40-of-blacks-line-behind-trump-45-of-hispanics/

Blogger S Ss February 01, 2016 10:25 AM  

Since most people of any political persuasion or ethnicity consider "white" to be mutually exclusive with "not of entirely European origin", it would indeed seem strange to hear anyone call the Lebanese-American Nader a "white nationalist."

It's always been remarkable to me how uncontroversial ethnic/racial labels are in the US. The only thing anyone seems to be able to agree on regarding race is who fits into what category. This is a meta-political phenomenon I have never seen anyone really address.

Anonymous Hrw-500 February 01, 2016 10:33 AM  

@10 sigbouncer

I archived the links you mentionned on Archive.is in case if they'll be deleted.
http://archive.is/1DUDx
http://archive.is/Igyil
http://archive.is/5vPBX

Blogger S Ss February 01, 2016 10:34 AM  

And your perception of the Green Party seems to be highly distorted.

http://www.gp.org/social_justice/#sjCivilRights

They are clearly not just paying lip service to the demands of black radicals. This platform looks like it was written by Black Lies Matter.

Blogger S Ss February 01, 2016 10:45 AM  

I don't think your theory holds any water. Many people claim that Trump is knowingly doing his part to put Rodham in the White House, but that makes no sense to me.

First off, it's not like he could be paid to do it. A lot of people would be willing to throw an election in order to get a big payout but Trump has more money than he could ever spend. The only thing he could want now is more power, and it's hard to see how he could be given more power outside the Oval Office than in it.

Secondly... it's Trump. He's not Rove. He's not Cheney. He's not Adelson. He's not Soros. He's not content to sit quietly behind the scenes pulling strings. He has a pathological need to be the center of attention and openly call shots. For the Clintons/Dems/elites to use Trump to destroy the GOP would be like using a flamethrower to get rid of a hornet's nest.

Blogger YIH February 01, 2016 11:22 AM  

@25. Joe Blowe:
No one would give up the Presidency for that ridiculous reason.
I actually think it did play out that way. The rumor at the time was it was a doctored photo of his daughter doing lesbian stuff in the church parking lot.
He was so pissed off (his claim at the time was that ''it was a republican dirty tricks campaign'') that he quit right then and there. After he cooled off he decided to resume his campaign, but the damage was done.

Blogger YIH February 01, 2016 11:34 AM  

@26. S Ss:
I also think Trump's 'black support' is grossly overstated. Black voting patterns are well documented:
Generic Dem ~90%, Generic Rep ~10% any and all elections. The only exception was 0bama which skewed it even further Dem.

Anonymous Jack Amok February 01, 2016 11:34 AM  

How much support does he really have from blacks? Most blacks have been successfully trained to think that it's in their best interests to throw their lot in with mestizos and Muslims and other "people of color" against big ol' mean racist whitey

Do you know any blacks? They don't like Mexicans very much, and have realized the Mexican's like them even less. Plus, they realize they are losing economically and socially to Hispanic immigration. The more visible Hispanics are in the Dem party, the less appealing it will be to Blacks. Incidentally, I suspect the GOPs recent efforts to appeal to Hispanics has been a significant reason Blacks have tipped even stronger to the Democrats.

Blogger Escoffier February 01, 2016 11:46 AM  

Hear hear!

Sam Francis was a man ahead of his time. His anarcho-tyranny concept blew me away when I first read it just like Auster's first law of minority majority relations.

Anonymous BGKB February 01, 2016 11:56 AM  

elites were failing to deliver better health care at a reasonable price?

Blacks are 9 times as likely to be admitted to med school as Asians for the same MCAT score.
http://www.aei.org/publication/acceptance-rates-us-medical-schools-2014-reveal-ongoing-racial-profiling-affirmative-discrimination-blacks-hispanics/
Nurses fought doctors to take away the last merit based test that a scorn couldn't help blacks with, the period when new doctors had to pull long hours with no one holding their hand, of course nurses with seniority took the first weeks of that off anyway.

Merkel-warns-asylum-seekers-that-German-refuge-is-temporary

Merkel said "when you see me hanging from a lamppost the trains are fine to go on"

I challenge the exclusion of Black Americans from the Trump phenomena

15% are smart enough to know Hispanics are the new shiny thing for affirmative action.

"Dems kill babies and love homos! At best its a friends with benefits relationship

And your perception of the Green Party seems to be highly distorted.

Ralph Nader's green party got infiltrated by people that clutch pearls at the noticing of latino littering

The only thing he could want now is more power

The only power he is missing is the power to slap down those more corrupt than him. I could see him saying, well since republicans got targeted by the IRS the only fair thing to do is to audit x,y,z, PP to balance things out.

Anonymous Quartermaster February 01, 2016 11:56 AM  

Francis was one of the men purged during the early 90s from National Review. Buckley was still in charge then. Buckley had long ago ceased to be conservative and gone to the dark side. Lowry is in the image of Buckley, and the current version of NR is simply leftist and cowardly.

Blogger Escoffier February 01, 2016 11:58 AM  

I second this. My workplace Is predominantly black and most are virulently anti Trump. Only one black person has expressed support of Trump to me.

Anonymous Quartermaster February 01, 2016 11:58 AM  

@32
"For the Clintons/Dems/elites to use Trump to destroy the GOP would be like using a flamethrower to get rid of a hornet's nest."

Did you know the Chinese Army has done exactly that? Those Hornet also span your hand and the venom melts human tissue.

Blogger horsewithnonick February 01, 2016 11:59 AM  

That would be telling.

Blogger YIH February 01, 2016 12:03 PM  

The reason I pointed out the ''dirty tricks'' in regard to Perot is simple:
Play devil's advocate, what ''dirty trick'' would even work on Trump?
''He's involved in gambling!'' Well duh: http://www.trumpcasinos.com/
Even if it wasn't for the USFL fiasco, that alone would prevent him from being even a minority pro sports team owner.
''He smooched a drag queen! And it was Rudy Guliani!'' *Yawn*, seen it.
“The only way I could lose this election is if I’m caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy.” — Edwin W. Edwards, 1983.
I doubt even that would work - even if the boy took a selfie while, um, Big Gay Steve help me out here!
And a dead girl? He'd have to convicted of her murder first. Good luck with that.
The Dead Zone? He's probably seen that flick.
Maybe even has an autographed copy from Steven King himself.
What happened to Perot? He'd probably find that hilarious. Then comes the defamation suit.

Anonymous No February 01, 2016 12:11 PM  

I wrote an article for a local independent in 2000 titled something like "Gore/Bush: The Only Solution." It was about how I - just a regular dummy - literally could not tell the difference between the two candidates and their effective platforms. They striped it up (a little) with the superfluous presidential ideology-talk that has never impacted the actual execution of the office (Reagan created the Department of Education - here ends the lesson). Other than those pointless differences, I could no longer see any point in voting.

Blogger YIH February 01, 2016 12:53 PM  

@40. Quartermaster:
Those Hornet also span your hand and the venom melts human tissue.
Big mean bastards ain't they?

Blogger Danby February 01, 2016 1:01 PM  

@38 Quartermaster
Francis was one of the men purged during the early 90s from National Review. Buckley was still in charge then. Buckley had long ago ceased to be conservative and gone to the dark side. Lowry is in the image of Buckley, and the current version of NR is simply leftist and cowardly.
That was after the Bushies had finally captured the GOP from the Reaganites. Former CIA chief George HW Bush gave CIA asset Buckley his orders. Anybody who had supported Buchannan had to go. I was literally thrown out of a GOP Caucus in 1992 for supporting Buchannnan.

Blogger YIH February 01, 2016 1:03 PM  

Reagan created the Department of Education. No, that was Carter.
Reagan said he'd get rid of it, never did. Put his pal Bill Bennett in charge instead.
That guy probably does hate Trump's guts - and for good reason.

Anonymous BGKB February 01, 2016 1:04 PM  

“I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose voters,” Trump said at a campaign rally here.

That's like me saying I could shoot anyone at a lesbian wedding cake eating contest and not lose a potential boyfriend.

OpenID sigbouncer February 01, 2016 1:14 PM  

"it would indeed seem strange to hear anyone call the Lebanese-American Nader a "white nationalist."


Nader was born in Connecticut.

OpenID sigbouncer February 01, 2016 1:22 PM  

@30 Hrw-500

"@10 sigbouncer

I archived the links you mentionned on Archive.is in case if they'll be deleted."


Just curious as to why they would be deleted?

Anonymous Radio dispatched February 01, 2016 1:33 PM  

What was the pen name Francis used for his inflammatory stuff?

OpenID sigbouncer February 01, 2016 1:39 PM  

"it would indeed seem strange to hear anyone call the Lebanese-American Nader a "white nationalist."


Just wanted to add that Nader has fought for the white middle class his entire life.

Let me tell you a true story about how Nader helped a white middle class family in the 1980's when nobody else would/could. In the 80's Naders Raiders were considered rather obsolete. As in their time had come and gone.

Around 1983-84 a white middle class couple I know bought a renault alliance. The car was a total lemon. It spent the better part of a year (10 months) in the dealership shop be fixed over and over. Eventually the family got tired of not having the new car that they purchased and went to an attorney (lemon law). The attorney could not get the dealership to take the car back in exchange for a new car. So they called the office of Ralph Nader and spoke with him on a Friday afternoon. On Monday they had a brand new car.

Blogger Josh February 01, 2016 1:41 PM  

Nader was born in Connecticut.

Magic Dirt!

Blogger YIH February 01, 2016 1:50 PM  

@50. Radio dispatched:
See @20

OpenID sigbouncer February 01, 2016 1:52 PM  

>Nader was born in Connecticut.

Magic Dirt!


I'd highly suggest you watch Ralph Nader an Unreasonable Man.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ycR36N68R8

Anonymous Shorty February 01, 2016 2:26 PM  

SigBouncer, the Green Party is SJW through-and-through. GTFO with all that Nader garbage. You might as well woo us with tales of Allah's mercy while you're at it, if you're just going to come in and shit all over the comments.

Blogger Danby February 01, 2016 2:31 PM  

@Shorty,
For the same reason that Sanders is preferable to Rubio, Nader was, for some, preferable to Bush.

Anonymous Shorty February 01, 2016 2:41 PM  

Because Sanders and Nader are Marxists and ride the SJW diversity bandwagon? Communists should be purged, not nominated for election.

OpenID sigbouncer February 01, 2016 2:46 PM  

"SigBouncer, the Green Party is SJW through-and-through. GTFO with all that Nader garbage."


Not here to turn this into a Ralph Nader discussion. I made the correlation of the writer's works and Nader, Ron Paul and Buchanan's Presidential run and philosophies. Also provided links showing Nader to be supportive of White Nationalism. As most would agree both Paul and Buchanan are as well. So no links were needed there.

BGKB @37 already explained Nader's Green Party, before and after he left it.

Since you can't offer anything different with respects to this except for your own ignorant opinion, stfu shorty.

Blogger Danby February 01, 2016 2:49 PM  

@57, you really are special aren't you, Shorty? Now get back on the short bus and go somewhere they will acknowledge your special smartness.

Anonymous Hrw-500 February 01, 2016 3:20 PM  

@49sigbouncer

If they have to delete them, I guess these articles have some inconvienent truth then some folks want to hide. The blog the Conservative Treehouse posted a blog post about a deleted article of the New York Post who was posted on September 14 2001. http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/11/30/did-new-york-post-scrub-2001-story-because-it-supported-donald-trumps-claim/.

OpenID sigbouncer February 01, 2016 3:24 PM  

@Hrw-500

Oh okay I gotcha. That's most awesome of you to do that. Bookmarked. Much appreciated!

Anonymous Shorty February 01, 2016 4:16 PM  

SigBouncer, 5 of the 7 posts you've made have involved direct references to Ralph Nader's policy issues. You're demonstrably wrong in saying that you aren't here to turn it into a Nader discussion.

It's amazing how you WN retards will eat up anything if it's spun as pro-"White".

OpenID sigbouncer February 01, 2016 4:24 PM  

"SigBouncer, 5 of the 7 posts you've made have involved direct references to Ralph Nader's policy issues. You're demonstrably wrong in saying that you aren't here to turn it into a Nader discussion."

The only times I have responded solely with a Nader response was 3 times here. And as stated. All were direct responses to another person who brought up his name. @48 @51 @54

Again read my first post @10 and my response to you @58
They are both very clear in what they say.

Anonymous glenintenn February 01, 2016 6:31 PM  

This is line a headline straight out of The Caliphate... Liberal, wide-eyed terror:

Donald Trump is the leader of a new, hate-filled authoritarian movement. Nothing would be more harmful to the idea of the West and world peace than if he were to be elected president. George W. Bush's America would seem like a place of logic and reason in comparison

http://m.spiegel.de/international/world/a-1075060.html

OpenID sigbouncer February 01, 2016 6:36 PM  

@42 YIH

“The only way I could lose this election is if I’m caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy.” — Edwin W. Edwards, 1983.


Just read your Trump-Edwards link. Have a story about Edwards in a minute. But back to the comparison of the two. Both are very charismatic and not afraid to say what they think. But that's pretty much where the similarities end.

Edwards is brutally honest about his shady dealings (unless his ass in on the line in court). Seemed to revel in them. I'd liken Edwards to the 70's Raiders football team. Edwards was never afraid to say he played dirty or on the edge of it. Edwards was also down with everyday people. It was not beyond him to show up at a house unexpectedly. Which brings me to the story of when I met him.

A friend of mines sister did some small work for Edwards campaign. So one nite Edwards comes into town with his entourage and shows up at the club. This was the ecstasy and cocaine days of the mid 80's. Edwards comes to my friend's table once he recognizes his sister. Parties it up with all of us. Drinks on him. We close the club down and the sister invites Edwards back to her house for an after hours house party. We all say he will never show.

About an hour later these two big moose show up knocking at her door. They check out the inside of the house and okay Edwards to come in with the rest of his crew. We did coke and x with him for a few hours, chatted it up and he left at daylight. Not your everyday Gov. to come throw down like that with the people.

One of the best things I can remember Edwards doing as Governor was refusing Federal road aid. Because Edwards said at 18 years old if you are old enough to die for your country. Then in my state you are old enough to have a drink.

Anonymous Shorty February 01, 2016 6:43 PM  

Yes, they were both very clear, and both idiotic. Francis' article highlights more commonalities with Reagan's victory than the massive failures of Paul, Nader, or Buchanan. Plus I still can't get past the dumb assertion that Ralph Nader supports white nationalism.

Blogger horsewithnonick February 01, 2016 8:27 PM  

That would be telling.

Blogger S Ss February 02, 2016 4:55 AM  

Thatd epic

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