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Tuesday, February 23, 2016

Cruz vs Trump on Immigration

Let's let the two men speak for themselves:

SEN. TED CRUZ

My views on immigration are straightforward. I think there is considerable bipartisan agreement outside of Washington on immigration. There is overwhelming bipartisan agreement that we've got to get serious about securing the borders and stopping illegal immigration. There is considerable bipartisan agreement outside of Washington that we need to improve and streamline legal immigration so that we can remain a nation that welcomes and celebrates legal immigrants.

 I think it is a mistake for any politician to on the one hand embrace amnesty — embrace a pathway to citizenship for those who are here illegally — and on the other hand seek to restrict or punish legal immigrants. Amnesty is wrong. When I campaigned for the US senate I campaigned unambiguously against amnesty and was proud to receive 40 percent of the Hispanic vote in the state of Texas at the same time Mitt Romney was getting clobbered with 27 percent of the Hispanic vote nationwide.

But I am the son of an immigrant who came legally from Cuba. Reagan referred to legal immigrants as Americans by choice and there is no stronger advocate of legal immigration in the U.S. Senate than I am. I think the right approach is to secure the border, follow the rule of law, and embrace and improve legal immigration.


DONALD TRUMP 

Real immigration reform puts the needs of working people first – not wealthy globetrotting donors. We are the only country in the world whose immigration system puts the needs of other nations ahead of our own. That must change. Here are the three core principles of real immigration reform:

1. A nation without borders is not a nation. There must be a wall across the southern border.
2. A nation without laws is not a nation. Laws passed in accordance with our Constitutional system of government must be enforced.
3. A nation that does not serve its own citizens is not a nation. Any immigration plan must improve jobs, wages and security for all Americans.

Make Mexico Pay For The Wall

Defend The Laws And Constitution Of The United States

America will only be great as long as America remains a nation of laws that lives according to the Constitution. No one is above the law. The following steps will return to the American people the safety of their laws, which politicians have stolen from them:
  • Triple the number of ICE officers.
  • Nationwide e-verify.
  • Mandatory return of all criminal aliens.
  • Detention—not catch-and-release.
  • Defund sanctuary cities.
  • Enhanced penalties for overstaying a visa.
  • Cooperate with local gang task forces.
  • End birthright citizenship.
  • Put American Workers First
  • Increase prevailing wage for H-1Bs.
  • Requirement to hire American workers first.
  • End welfare abuse.
  • Jobs program for inner city youth.
  • Refugee program for American children.
  • Immigration moderation. 

208 Comments:

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Blogger Giraffe February 23, 2016 12:30 PM  

"I would get people out and then have an expedited way of getting them back into the country so they can be legal…. A lot of these people are helping us … and sometimes it’s jobs a citizen of the United States doesn’t want to do. I want to move ’em out, and we’re going to move ’em back in and let them be legal." - Donald Trump

Anonymous VFM #6306 February 23, 2016 12:31 PM  

Wordiness is not Cruz's ally here.

Cruz, abbreviated: "My views on immigration are straightforward. I think it is a mistake for any politician to on the one hand embrace amnesty, and on the other hand seek to restrict or punish legal immigrants. I am the son of an immigrant who came legally from Cuba.There is no stronger advocate of legal immigration in the U.S. Senate than I am."

Trump doesn't need to be abbreviated.

Blogger David Power February 23, 2016 12:34 PM  

Can anyone tell me if a 'President Trump' will be capable of, or even incentivised to, breaking the death grip the pro-Israeli Lobby has had on the American democratic process for over half a century now?

Blogger David Power February 23, 2016 12:35 PM  

For many years now, American presidents of both parties have been staunchly committed to Israel and its security. This entrenched policy is an expression of the Jewish-Zionist grip on America's political and cultural life. It was fervent support for Israel - shared by President Bush, high-ranking administration officials and nearly the entire US Congress - that proved crucial in the decision to invade and subdue one of Israel's greatest regional enemies.

While the unprovoked US invasion of Iraq may have helped Israel, just as those who wanted and planned for the war had hoped, it has been a calamity for America and the world. It has cost many tens of thousands of lives and hundreds of billions of dollars. Around the world, it has generated unmatched distrust and hostility toward the US. In Arab and Muslim countries, it has fueled intense hatred of the United States, and has brought many new recruits to the ranks of anti-American terrorists.

Americans have already paid a high price for their nation's commitment to Israel. We will pay an ever higher price - not just in dollars or international prestige, but in the lives of young men squandered for the interests of a foreign state - until the Jewish-Zionist hold on US political life is finally broken.

Anonymous VFM #7916 February 23, 2016 12:36 PM  

Cruz translation:

"I think I'll just blow smoke up everyone's ass just like any other politician, because I'm a member of the establishment and cuckservatives are idiots, anyway. They'll buy it like they always do. Just look at Glenn Beck."

Trump Translation:

"I won't blow smoke up your ass. Here's what I'm going to do. If you don't like it, I don't care."

This alone is the reason I will vote Trump.

Blogger Dexter February 23, 2016 12:36 PM  

When Cruz says we should not "punish legal immigrants", what does he mean?

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents February 23, 2016 12:37 PM  

Cruz is trying to dog-whistle the donor class away from Rubio.

Trump is talking over the heads of the donor class directly to working class and middle class Americans.

Either colonization stops, or America dies.

Anonymous Faceless February 23, 2016 12:37 PM  

@3

I am told by a Jewish friend that he would vote for Trump except Trump is not "for Israel" and does not "think of Israel" in the same way Cruz, Bernie, or His Gal Hillary are and do.

Anonymous VFM #6306 February 23, 2016 12:39 PM  

The hilarious thing about touchback is that the media doesn't want to cover it, because they worry that it makes Trump look humane. They'll bring it up like crazy though once he does get elected and they realize that touchback isn't so expedited when there is a wall and triple the ICE soldiers "helping" them process their Z visas.

So, touchback is going to work out for Trump just fine. I really don't like him playing that card, because a) don't think he needs it and b) don't trust him not to actually use it but, hey, it is better than electing the only other option "the strongest advocate of legal immigration in the Senate."

Blogger David Power February 23, 2016 12:40 PM  

That was a quote from Mark Weber of The Institute of Historical Review.


Fascinating reading; http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/iraqwar.shtml

Anonymous Lesner February 23, 2016 12:40 PM  

The truth is that a good chunk of Trump supporters and pretty much all the "alt-right" are childless single men who have failed in many ways. You guys are not people who matter in the overall course of humanity. Enjoy your echo chamber sewing circle while you can because Trump is not going to get above 30% of the republican vote and will receive maybe 20% of the popular vote at the max.

Look, I know you guys like being the victim and thinking you are oppressed but please, just once, try to confront reality and improve your situation.

Blogger praetorian February 23, 2016 12:42 PM  

If I promise to let my boys know what you think, Lesner, will you promise to let your cats know what I think?

Pinky swear?

Anonymous VFM #6306 February 23, 2016 12:42 PM  

Shut up, Lesner.

Blogger Dewave February 23, 2016 12:43 PM  

Trump has already received over 30% of the Republican vote, more than once.

Blogger Dewave February 23, 2016 12:43 PM  

Trump has already received over 30% of the Republican vote, more than once.

Blogger Gaiseric February 23, 2016 12:44 PM  

People who have heard of dialectic vs. rhetoric but who don't actually understand it all, or the people who use one vs. the other, should really just keep their mouths shut to avoid looking like cretins. Lesner, I'm looking at you.

Blogger WATYF February 23, 2016 12:44 PM  

This may be a dumb question, but I'm assuming you've seen John C. Wright's recent endorsement of Trump?

http://www.everyjoe.com/2016/02/22/politics/election-2016-real-and-delusional-america/#1

I guess it shouldn't have (considering his past writings on the Morlocks), but it came as a bit of a surprise to me, considering his staunch conservative self-identification. It is understandable, though.

WATYF

OpenID sigbouncer February 23, 2016 12:44 PM  

This is excellent and should squash any notion that Rafael is stronger on immigration than The Donald.

Anonymous WaterBoy February 23, 2016 12:48 PM  

"Trump is not going to get above 30% of the republican vote and will receive maybe 20% of the popular vote at the max. "

All right! Finally, some concrete predictions to which we can hold the espouser accountable!

I fucking love (political) Science!

Blogger VD February 23, 2016 12:48 PM  

Enjoy your echo chamber sewing circle while you can because Trump is not going to get above 30% of the republican vote

New Hampshire: 35.3 percent
South Carolina: 32.8 percent

You're insufficiently intelligent to be permitted to talk here.

Blogger Timmy3 February 23, 2016 12:49 PM  

Trump was here first. I give Trump the credit for being right. I'm glad Cruz is back on message after a bunch of blunders. The problem with Cruz's statement is the use of "bipartisan agreement". That's exactly the problem. The bipartisan agreement means the status quo.

Blogger 1337kestrel February 23, 2016 12:49 PM  

Considering this Trump vs. Cruz split (amongst the ilk) is more about the interpretation of facts than differing ideologies, it should theoretically be solvable. The fact that it's not is a sad indictment of the media and political class.

I don't think any candidate can win the General by overtly stating that all illegals will be deported and permabanned, and that H1Bs need to be cut because they are destroying the tech professional class.

Anonymous VFM #6306 February 23, 2016 12:50 PM  

Make Mexico Pay For The Wall - I love this one, because it basically is "Hey! Think of all the jobs this will create...in Mexico."

"The Border Wall as foreign economic stimulus" is both absurd and brilliant. Maybe if they make it thick enough, hispanics in Compton will be sneaking into Mexico for the better jobs!

Blogger IM2L844 February 23, 2016 12:50 PM  

Will you repatriate if Trump wins, Vox? If so, I might lend my support to Trump.

Anonymous Sam the Man February 23, 2016 12:53 PM  

Lesner

Wife was a Trumpkin before I was, we have two kids. Not exactly childless..

Most of the working folks I know are Trumpkins now, all married with kids. Including my brother in law, who is originally from Costa Rica.

Oh by the way most of the folks above have advanced degrees, though they may not count to you as they are in the sciences and engineering with a few lawyers.

Most the Trump supporters know exactly what we are voting for. A nationalist with a lot of faults, but one who just might do some of what he says...including prosecute Hillary, as he announced today.

Blogger pyrrhus February 23, 2016 12:53 PM  

@2 It's even more complicated, since Cruz was born to legal immigrants in Canada, and is at best a naturalized citizen of the USA.

Blogger VD February 23, 2016 12:54 PM  

Will you repatriate if Trump wins, Vox?

No. Although I would consider it if he pardons my father, abolishes the IRS, and disbars the prosecutor and judge.

Anonymous Deenus February 23, 2016 12:57 PM  

It says a lot about you guys that you would choose Trump over Bush.

One is a nice man who would tend to ALL americans (people of color, americans with disabilities, latinos, homosexuals)

One basically says he will advance the interests of white Christians over everyone else

I know who I would choose.

If you choose Trump you choose a jerk

Anonymous VFM #6306 February 23, 2016 12:57 PM  

@21 Timmy3, the problem with being "back on message" is that in being so, that one has no core principles in play, only blow with the wind electability concerns.

Trump can never be "on" or "off" message, because he clearly just talks about what he thinks, and when he changes his mind, it is because he has changed it. He doesn't have a message. That's why he can invite random people up to speak during his speeches if he senses they have something to offer.

Blogger VD February 23, 2016 12:59 PM  

If you choose Trump you choose a jerk

If we don't get Trump, you're going to be very, very frightened at who will be chosen. "Jerk" doesn't even begin to describe him.

Blogger Ingot9455 February 23, 2016 1:00 PM  

Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Cruz's listing above is from an extemporaneous speech.
Trump's listing above is from his excellent policy paper.

If you look at Cruz's website, it's stronger than his statement above. It's also littered with his actual actions.. which as much as they give evidence, also confuse the matter in terms of making an actual point.

Because Trump's paper is just a white paper, it's much more clear in what it lays out.

Blogger 2Bfree February 23, 2016 1:00 PM  

Trump could neuter Cruz, and garner his voters in one quick stroke.

Announce that if elected president he would nominate Cruz for the SCOTUS.

Blogger IM2L844 February 23, 2016 1:00 PM  

No. Although I would consider it if he pardons my father, abolishes the IRS, and disbars the prosecutor and judge.

Whoopi vows to leave and Vox vows to return could make headlines.

Blogger Ingot9455 February 23, 2016 1:00 PM  

I'm looking at:
https://www.tedcruz.org/issues/secure-the-border/

Anonymous Dave N. February 23, 2016 1:02 PM  

Vox why do you believe Trump will throw out the 14th Amendment? I'm just wondering how that would jell with his postion on defending and enforcing "the Laws and Constitution".

Blogger CM February 23, 2016 1:02 PM  


I think it is a mistake for any politician to on the one hand embrace amnesty — embrace a pathway to citizenship for those who are here illegally — and on the other hand seek to restrict or punish legal immigrants. Amnesty is wrong.


This was spoken and not written, right?

Dexter, I'm pretty certain he's saying that amnesty punishes legal immigrants.

Which is to say that even when against amnesty, immigrants are more important to him than native citizens. I get why on a personal and political level, but Trump is still winning without playing the political card of outright support for native citizens = bad.

So his keeping up the act says more about his personal values. He doesn't believe a nation is for her people. Its for all the guests the people let move in.

Anonymous VFM #6306 February 23, 2016 1:05 PM  

Although I would consider it if he pardons my father, abolishes the IRS, and disbars the prosecutor and judge.

Now that is something I could actually see him doing, especially if he ever had any contact with your dad before this.

If any of the candidates would have no problem nuking an institution out of loyalty and pro-entrepreneurial ideals, it would be him.

Uh, I hope you aren't holding your breath though.

That's the thing about "crazy" taboo ideas like auditing the Fed, destroying the IRS, imprisoning bankers, etc.

The Wall was a crazy taboo.

Until Trump.

Now everyone's building walls like it is freeplay day at the Lego store.

The levee has already broken. The monsters and bogeys that have forever been unspeakable in politics are all on the menu now, and the militant Right is starting to see some windows opening up.

Anonymous VFM #7916 February 23, 2016 1:08 PM  

@17

John Wright knows not to shoot the guy in the trench next to him, i.e. Trump. He knows who the enemy is. I found his exposition of the Pope's actual remarks useful, and it just reinforces my judgement to disbelieve anything the press says.

Blogger bob k. mando February 23, 2016 1:10 PM  

17. WATYF February 23, 2016 12:44 PM
This may be a dumb question, but I'm assuming you've seen John C. Wright's recent endorsement of Trump?



yet another low information Trump convert.

oh well, at least we've got Sarah Hoyt to tell us what's REALLY going on. because we're to damn stupid to figure it out for ourselves.


26. pyrrhus February 23, 2016 12:53 PM
It's even more complicated, since Cruz was born to legal immigrants in Canada, and is at best a naturalized citizen of the USA.


false, Cruz's mother was a US national living abroad. she never surrendered her citizenship. nor, to my knowledge, did she ever express any interest in doing so.

it's Rubio who was born to two immigrant parents ... in Miami, Fla. this does not qualify for any definition of NBC.



28. Deenus February 23, 2016 12:57 PM
If you choose Trump you choose a jerk



oh NOES!

the Shitlord 10,000s are going to vote for a jerk!

who could have EVER guessed? WHO?

Blogger Christopher February 23, 2016 1:11 PM  

Even by his admission Cruz is not a visionary leader on immigration control but a reluctant follower.

Anonymous Jeffrey Johnson February 23, 2016 1:11 PM  

@28

Wasn't the Bush family a bunch of racist sexist homophobes a few years ago? In the Current Year are they good suddenly? Amazing how the Narrative changes.


News to you. We like Trump because he is a "jerk." Real men come across as jerks to creatures like you

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 February 23, 2016 1:12 PM  

less ambiguous and far stronger than Cruz's.

This is a fair assessment, speaking as a Cruz supporter.



1. A nation without borders is not a nation. There must be a wall across the southern border.
2. A nation without laws is not a nation. Laws passed in accordance with our Constitutional system of government must be enforced.
3. A nation that does not serve its own citizens is not a nation. Any immigration plan must improve jobs, wages and security for all Americans.

While I don't necessarily think that the first point requires a wall, I agree that a wall fulfills the requirement. These are reasonable positions to take.


•Put American Workers First
Too vague to form an opinion.

•Requirement to hire American workers first.
If this is in the context of H1-B visas, sure.

•End welfare abuse
I'd prefer to take off the third word, but I'll take this.

•Jobs program for inner city youth.
Surprised to see you supporting this, VD.

•Refugee program for American children.
??


I think Cruz is telling the truth about what he thinks, and I think he's more or less in agreement with Trump about the first 3 points of contention.

The problem is how his words look compared to Trump's: Cruz is still a bit too polished for his message, and it's coming across to Trump supporters as insincere; Trump's unpolished speech seems to be regarded as one of his selling points.

Anonymous Mike February 23, 2016 1:16 PM  

VD,

Could you dig up the sources you got that from and link them on this post? This post, with those links, would make a great starting point for a lot of us to share with friends and family.

Blogger Salt February 23, 2016 1:17 PM  

Cruz uses the term bi-partisan agreement. Trump says what he says. Right there is sufficient difference to make Trump the better choice, unless one prefers to remain inside the bi-partisan beltway.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 February 23, 2016 1:21 PM  

@44

He says "bipartisan agreement outside of Washington". Big difference.

Trump's is admittedly still the stronger statement here: Cruz is highlighting that this is a popular position, whereas Trump is saying "this is what I think". In an election cycle where agreement between politicians isn't exactly important to the electorate, Trump's is the better one.

Blogger Student in Blue February 23, 2016 1:23 PM  

@White Knight Leo
The problem is how his words look compared to Trump's: Cruz is still a bit too polished for his message, and it's coming across to Trump supporters as insincere

I'd ballpark it more as, because Trump is far more explicit and detailed in his position paper, it looks more authentic. By now, I think everyone knows that the vaguer a politician is, the less likely it's true.

Blogger Dexter February 23, 2016 1:24 PM  

Concern troll assures us once again that the Republican who might actually win is an unelectable, extremist, racist, fascist jerk.

Better to go with the safe, electable, moderate candidate.

Who will instantly be transformed into an unelectable, extremist, racist, fascist jerk the moment he secures the nomination...

Blogger CM February 23, 2016 1:27 PM  

•Put American Workers First
Too vague to form an opinion.

•Requirement to hire American workers first.
If this is in the context of H1-B visas, sure.
•Jobs program for inner city youth.
Surprised to see you supporting this, VD.

These kind of all go together, don't they?

Part of Trump's platform is that Americans are out of work and illegals are doing jobs americans would and need to do. Get them out and get ours working... including legal immigrants who also hurt our employment numbers (which hurts our economy).

And that is important to inner city youth because they have been very hard hit by illegal immigration and while it might be pointless, putting people to work may lower crime. If it is a wind mill, i won't fault Don Q from tilting at it one more time.


•Refugee program for American children.
??

I know DT has said he won't separate families but I don't recall him saying he'd revoke birth right citizenship. I figured he'd just send them back with their families to country of origin like the Prenatal Tourists of China and Argentina do (visit, give birth, leave with newly minted US citizen).

Is he wanting to start a refugee program for families of kids in high conflict zones? Its an interesting idea if you can't get rid of birthright citizenship but can halt the islamic refugee program.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 February 23, 2016 1:33 PM  

@48

"•Put American Workers First"

My point is that I don't know what this is supposed to mean. This is at least as vague as "Hope and Change".

OpenID sigbouncer February 23, 2016 1:34 PM  

"I think Cruz is telling the truth about what he thinks, and I think he's more or less in agreement with Trump about the first 3 points of contention."

No Cruz isn't on either front. Cruz maintains his same position of wanting more immigration that Cruz had when he helped GW Bush write up his immigration policy. Which saw 10.5 million immigrants enter the United States. More than 3 times the amount of jobs that were created during the Bush administration.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/01/28/ted-cruz-s-flat-out-lie-on-immigration.html

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2016/0213/Ted-Cruz-on-immigration-How-his-views-have-shifted

Anonymous VFM #6306 February 23, 2016 1:35 PM  

Aw hell, Salt. Good catch. Yep. That is the elephant.

Anonymous 11B February 23, 2016 1:36 PM  

It's been said before, but is worth repeating. Too many on the right publicly pronounce they are only opposed to illegal immigration. Their arguments center entirely around the fact that they only oppose the mass migration of people when it is done outside the law. But that sets them up for having to accept legal mass migration of people. So once this principle is established, all the open borders people have to do is increase the number of slots of legal immigrants and you have no leg to stand on in opposition. After all, it is legal.

The USA is more than settled. As of now we have 320 million people. Only two nations in history, China and India, have ever had more people than the USA does now. Each year we are now bringing in over 1 million legal immigrants. And some in congress want that to increase to 3 million, a number derived by being approximately 1 percent of our population. Of course if they go by that, then we will forever be increasing our immigration levels as our population continues to rise.

Look there are many reasons to argue for immigration restriction. Too many for a tiny post. But just remember that at the outset of WW2 we had 140 million people and yet were able to put 12 million into armed service, and staff the factories that churned out 300 thousand aircraft in 5 years.

If we had 140 million people today, we'd still be around the 10th most populous nation, about the size of the UK and Germany combined!

Anyone who won't support reducing legal immigration is not a solution, but is part of the problem.

OpenID sigbouncer February 23, 2016 1:38 PM  

""•Put American Workers First"

My point is that I don't know what this is supposed to mean. This is at least as vague as "Hope and Change"."

Pure and utter bullshit to anyone who can read.

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/immigration-reform

Increase prevailing wage for H-1Bs. We graduate two times more Americans with STEM degrees each year than find STEM jobs, yet as much as two-thirds of entry-level hiring for IT jobs is accomplished through the H-1B program. More than half of H-1B visas are issued for the program's lowest allowable wage level, and more than eighty percent for its bottom two. Raising the prevailing wage paid to H-1Bs will force companies to give these coveted entry-level jobs to the existing domestic pool of unemployed native and immigrant workers in the U.S., instead of flying in cheaper workers from overseas. This will improve the number of black, Hispanic and female workers in Silicon Valley who have been passed over in favor of the H-1B program. Mark Zuckerberg’s personal Senator, Marco Rubio, has a bill to triple H-1Bs that would decimate women and minorities.

Requirement to hire American workers first. Too many visas, like the H-1B, have no such requirement. In the year 2015, with 92 million Americans outside the workforce and incomes collapsing, we need companies to hire from the domestic pool of unemployed. Petitions for workers should be mailed to the unemployment office, not USCIS.

End welfare abuse. Applicants for entry to the United States should be required to certify that they can pay for their own housing, healthcare and other needs before coming to the U.S.

Immigration moderation. Before any new green cards are issued to foreign workers abroad, there will be a pause where employers will have to hire from the domestic pool of unemployed immigrant and native workers. This will help reverse women's plummeting workplace participation rate, grow wages, and allow record immigration levels to subside to more moderate historical averages.

Blogger BunE22 February 23, 2016 1:42 PM  

bob k. mando wrote:false, Cruz's mother was a US national living abroad. she never surrendered her citizenship. nor, to my knowledge, did she ever express any interest in doing so.

Except a natural born citizen does not need to renounce citizenship of another country.

Also, at the time of the Constitution we lived in a truly patriarchal society and the citizenship of the father was the deciding factor of what country a child was considered a citizen of. Ted is an "originalist" yet he doesn't follow the original intent of the Constitution or the founders.

Blogger The Remnant February 23, 2016 1:43 PM  

#35 "Vox why do you believe Trump will throw out the 14th Amendment? I'm just wondering how that would jell with his postion on defending and enforcing 'the Laws and Constitution'."

There is no need to throw out the 14th Amendment, rather to enforce it. The amendment does NOT provide for automatic birthright citizenship. Any ambiguity on that point is resolved by the amendment's framers, who made it clear that "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" prevents foreigners from plopping freshly-minted U.S. citizens onto our soil. It is the current policy that is unconstitutional.

At most, the Supreme Court has held that a child born of a legal immigrant is an automatic citizen. That doesn't apply to illegal immigrants. Besides, the Constitution is superior to a mere branch of the federal government, which doesn't have the power of amendment.

A president Trump would have far more of a constitutional basis for denying birthright citizenship to all children of foreigners, than the Supreme did for granting it to any of them.

Blogger praetorian February 23, 2016 1:46 PM  

"Jerk" doesn't even begin to describe him.

Here's ADOLF!

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 February 23, 2016 1:49 PM  

@53

Seriously? It was listed as a separate bullet point. Indicating that it meant something other than the other bullet points.

If it had been a category, with other bullet points below it, then it wouldn't have been vague. But look at how it appears again in the list: it looks like it's being considered as something separate from the other things.

In which case it's exactly as vague as I said.

Anonymous SevenCrimes February 23, 2016 1:49 PM  

Enjoy your echo chamber sewing circle while you can because Trump is not going to get above 30% of the republican vote

Having failed to predict the past and the present, is there any particular reason we should put any faith in your ability to predict the future?

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 February 23, 2016 1:51 PM  

@53

Apparently the list has been removed. In any case, it was listed along with the other bullet points.

So it said:
American Workers First
End Welfare Abuse
Requirement to hire American Workers first
etc.

As though it was just another step in the plan like the others, rather than a descriptive category for the steps that followed.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr February 23, 2016 1:57 PM  

To be honest, we don't need to reduce legal immigration. We need a holiday from it. Were I President, I'd be pushing for the following:

1. Build the Barrier Wall across the southern border.
2. Eject the illegals. Give them 30 days to self-identify, 120 days to self-deport. Anyone caught here after that will be considered a terrorist.
3. Legal immigrants to be ejected the moment they become a burden on the taxpayer (i.e. go on welfare or are convicted of a felony).
4. A 10-year moratorium on immigration. I might allow spouses to come in...but the instant they file for divorce, they are ejected.
5. A complete rewrite of the immigration law.
5a. Immigrants must have marketable skills.
5b. No more than 5% from any one country.
5c. No more than 5% settled in any one state.

Problem solved. And yes, I will accept the nomination and will serve.

Blogger Jourdan February 23, 2016 1:59 PM  

Speaking as someone who has issued hundreds of Immigrant Visas as part of his job (and without discretion to deny, unfortunately), anyone who is not committed to stopping or significantly restricting LEGAL immigration is simply not serious.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr February 23, 2016 2:00 PM  

And for the record, Cruz is no longer Trump's main opponent. Rubio is. You might direct your fire at him.

OpenID sigbouncer February 23, 2016 2:04 PM  

"As though it was just another step in the plan like the others, rather than a descriptive category for the steps that followed."

Instead of blindly following Cruz and in erroneously thinking Cruz is honest on his immigration views... You might wanna take the time to read Trump's unchanged immigration plan in his own words. @53 linked

Knowledge is power.

Blogger alexamenos February 23, 2016 2:05 PM  

Whether Cruz is honest about his position on immigration is not the only concern--the concern is also whether it's a remotely important issue to him or might it be something he'd gladly compromise for some greater concern (like ethanol subsidies or eminent domain).

Trump on the other hand has bet his campaign on the issue of immigration restriction, he's far and away the less likely to compromise in my view.

OpenID rufusdog February 23, 2016 2:08 PM  

The problem with Trump is I have no real reason to believe him. He has been anything but consistent over the years. His pro-life stance is political and his Christianity is political.

Everyone here seems so convinced this guy is different from your normal dirt bag politician, I remain highly skeptical.

But I would vote for a ham sandwich over Clinton.

The Ilk’s trust of this guy is very amusing, especially given the overall conspiratorial nature of this group.

Everything is a conspiracy…except this general election. Ketchup at Sandy Hook, demo teams at the twin towers…but apparently Trump can become President against the will of “The Government”.

Blogger Jourdan February 23, 2016 2:09 PM  

@30 Vox -

This is what many of my friends don't understand. However, for at least one of my friends, the message got through. She was complaining about W back when he was President and I told her that if she didn't like W and Fox News, she really wasn't going to enjoy the situation 10 and 30 years from now. She recently reminded me of this via email re: the rise of Trump.

These people can let European-Americans stop the bleeding and take their country back by the ballot box or they can face the Second American Civil War.

It really is that straight-forward.

OpenID sigbouncer February 23, 2016 2:10 PM  

"And for the record, Cruz is no longer Trump's main opponent. Rubio is. You might direct your fire at him."

Rubio is simply another establishment snot rag. We will handle him once he proves he is actually a threat to win a state vote...

Anonymous Bobby Farr February 23, 2016 2:12 PM  

Key is the native Trump's #3 vs. the foreigner Cruz' command to celebrate legal immigrants.

OpenID b1bae96e-6447-11e3-b6bb-000f20980440 February 23, 2016 2:18 PM  

Personally, I want Trump to win the nomination if for no other reason I want the "conservative" punditry which as far as I am concerned is allowed to stump for whoever they want in the primary to prove once and for all that they are friend or foe.

I won't lose my shit if I have to vote for Cruz, but I would prefer Trump on the basis he is more likely to accomplish his objectives, whatever they might be. If he really does decide to implement even 25% of his immigration platform, he won't be all that concerned that the MSM pitches a fit about it looking mean, calling him racists, questioning his constitutional authority (Cruz's Achilles heel), children protesting outside the White House, or anything else they throw at him.


Will Best

Blogger Student in Blue February 23, 2016 2:20 PM  

@65. rufusdog
The Ilk’s trust of this guy is very amusing, especially given the overall conspiratorial nature of this group.

Everything is a conspiracy…except this general election. Ketchup at Sandy Hook, demo teams at the twin towers…but apparently Trump can become President against the will of “The Government”.

You clearly aren't reading the same blog and comments section as everyone else.

You're also shoving words into everyone's mouths by saying that we all trust him.

Blogger CM February 23, 2016 2:25 PM  

WKL -

I fail to see how it is vague. Hope and Change is vague because what are you hoping for and what are you changing? You read into it what you want.

If it was heavily vocal that american workers be put in gas chambers OR american workers be prioritized in jobs, i could see vague.

When I tell my kids "seat belt first" I don't think that's vague.

Americans get jobs before immigrants. What other interpretation do YOU think that has?

Blogger bob k. mando February 23, 2016 2:26 PM  

54. BunE22 February 23, 2016 1:42 PM
Except a natural born citizen does not need to renounce citizenship of another country.



once NBC has been redefined to include foreign born to a single citizen parent, there is nothing US law can do to prevent the nation of birth from instituting Jus Soli ( right of the soil, which the US also now has ) citizenship on a person who qualifies, under US Federal Law, as a "Natural Born Citizen".

i don't hold Cruz's Canadian citizenship against him, that was done by his parents and Canada with no choice on his part.

i hold the foolishness of the Founders against him for stupidly re-writing the definition of NBC to make it meaningless.

as i've said here, repeatedly, according to current US law, June Oswald ( Lee Harvey's daughter ) would qualify as a Natural Born Citizen to the Soviet Union and the United States. simultaneously.

on it's face, the law is insane and the definition needs to be re-legislated.

if elected, Cruz would be the perfect person to demand the formal codification and reform of NBC.

if you trust him to do it honestly. he would, of course, be grandfathered in under the old definition. but no further such instances could ever happen.


for the record, i'm also foursquare against Jus Soli citizenship.



54. BunE22 February 23, 2016 1:42 PM
Also, at the time of the Constitution we lived in a truly patriarchal society and the citizenship of the father was the deciding factor of what country a child was considered a citizen of.



and we now live in a nation which has adopted Amendments as law which make illegal the distinction between male and female so far as rights go.

therefore, birthright Natural Born Citizenship would have been likewise redefined to apply to both parents through Jus Sanguinis ( Right of Blood ), equally.

further, the 1790 Act has no requirement that the father have been a US "citizen", ONLY that he have been a US "resident". these are different legal terms with different legal definitions.

Cruz's father was a legal "resident" of the US for years before they went to Canada. any lawyer worth his salt is going to agree to that precise reading.

Anonymous BGKB February 23, 2016 2:27 PM  

One is a nice man who would tend to ALL americans (people of color, americans with disabilities, latinos, homosexuals)

GLBTe reacted the same way to Jeb pulling out as they did to Scalia's death, even though Jeb is married to Tattoo from fantasy island.

over in favor of the H-1B program H1b min wage should be in the top 10% of field.

Make Mexico Pay For The Wall - I love this one

By taking money from Mexicans wiring money home, just like Carlos Slims does. If Trump takes the same amount illegals will leave on their own.

Blogger CM February 23, 2016 2:28 PM  

I should add what you can *REASONABLY* construe from the phrase and the context it was found in. Clearly gassing AWs is not a reasonable interpretation.

OpenID sigbouncer February 23, 2016 2:28 PM  

"The problem with Trump is I have no real reason to believe him. He has been anything but consistent over the years. His pro-life stance is political and his Christianity is political."

You are just making blind assertions that you cannot prove.

The Trump family indicators show otherwise. Trump is a Yuge family man. There are no abortions within his family. And ones Christianity isn't determined by how many visits to church one makes. It's about ones belief and faith. Trump by all accounts appears to have raised his children correctly. As there is no dirt on any of them.

Ted Cruz holds up the bible in one hand and lies his ass off in the other. Now there is a guy who uses Christianity as a front to get political votes. Fortunately the Christian voters in South Carolina saw thru The Cruz Ruse and voted Trump.

Blogger BunE22 February 23, 2016 2:31 PM  

rufusdog wrote:The Ilk’s trust of this guy is very amusing, especially given the overall conspiratorial nature of this group.

I find it amusing that anyone trusts any politician period.

I don't trust anyone I don't personally know.
Even if I know you, you have to earn my trust.
Even if you earn my trust, you can lose it.

There was a great line in a recently aired Twilight Zone, "Neither sympathy nor compassion can be handed out like cheap bubblegum, you must be worthy of them."

Trust is the same.

Blogger JaimeInTexas February 23, 2016 2:33 PM  

@11. Lesner February 23, 2016 12:40 PM

"The truth is that a good chunk of Trump supporters and pretty much all the "alt-right" are childless single men who have failed in many ways."

You are not from these parts, are you?

A bunch of us here are of the Evangelical persuasion, you know, the children are a blessing type. Another chunk is Catholics and a few LDS.

We have more to be concerned about losing the culture than the childless.

Blogger FALPhil February 23, 2016 2:36 PM  

What Pundits Don't Get About Trump

Blogger Matamoros February 23, 2016 2:37 PM  

Churchill's quote is a good observation about Trump's election as President:

"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning."

Blogger Unknown February 23, 2016 2:41 PM  

I prefer the Numbers USA think tank's take on these two candidates.

Numbers USA Grades

Excellent think tank with detailed grading system. Trump is an A-, Cruz is an A. Either are good enough for me, but I lean Cruz until he is out of the race.

OpenID b1bae96e-6447-11e3-b6bb-000f20980440 February 23, 2016 2:46 PM  

Everyone here seems so convinced this guy is different from your normal dirt bag politician, I remain highly skeptical.

No that is not what we are saying, you aren't reading for comprehension. We are saying, we don't know, but its worth the shot because what he is promising. It might be too good to be true (it probably is), but there are a number of considerations

1) He doesn't have a record as a politician
2) He spends less on consulting and polling than everybody else
3) He gets things done

Concerning oneself with the cultural rot (abortion/gay marriage/trans) is like being concerned about the family photo album when your children are still in the house during a fire.

And I don't need a candidate to pay lip service to any of that. Cruz or any other social conservative isn't going to get a Constitutional Amendment out to the states so its all going to continue until Scalia, Kennedy, and Ginsberg are replaced with Scalia/Thomas clones. No GOP president will ever go 3 for 3 on strict constructionists.

will Best

Blogger Mike February 23, 2016 2:46 PM  

#65 rufusdog

I can't speak for anyone else, but I do not trust Trump any more than any other politician - which is to say not at all.

But I'm going to vote for him for the same reason that if I'd found myself in a room full of my enemies with with a grenade in my hand, I would pull the pin and let the bits fall where they may.

Blogger RobertT February 23, 2016 2:49 PM  

Trump: Build a wall.
Cruz, Rubio: Let's talk everything to death. Obfuscating.

Blogger jay c February 23, 2016 2:56 PM  

The political rise of Trump is just another symptom of the complete circus that America has become. Nothing he says can be taken at face value. He only speaks rhetorically. He doesn't intend for anyone to take anything he ever says factually. Will he build a wall? Nobody knows, but his words on the topic are meaningless. Whether or not he builds a wall depends solely on how he feels about it on the day it's supposed to happen. Nothing he says today means anything at all for tomorrow because nothing he said yesterday means anything for today.

Anonymous PJ Trump February 23, 2016 3:07 PM  

What will Trump do when he tries to deport 12 million people and realizes that not only can he not do it but that he will be soundly defeated in trying?

My guess is first he will try to reason with us and find he can't produce good reasons when so many better alternatives exist. Then he will shout "liar, liar," real loud. Then he will attempt it unilaterally and discover he can't. Then his head will explode because "winning!!" Isn't the same as making a living bankrupting companies and playing a cartoon character on reality shows.

Blogger Nick S February 23, 2016 3:08 PM  

I don't trust anyone I don't personally know.

I don't trust anyone completely (full stop).

Blogger Sam Lively February 23, 2016 3:10 PM  

@62 Cruz is still the big rival for the conservative base. I think Trump wants the conservative/Tea Party grassroots to get behind him.

As for the immigration distinction, I think Trump's best attribute is that he basically delegated his immigration plan to Jeff Sessions and signed off on it practically sight unseen (he doesn't always seem like he's read his own official policy statement).

Anonymous Godscalc February 23, 2016 3:12 PM  

Deenus wrote:
If you choose Trump you choose a jerk


I (and probably others here) already saw your video, miss. Why don't you just take a break from the internet for a while and just go have a good cry?

Anonymous Coolidge February 23, 2016 3:14 PM  

he will attempt it unilaterally and discover he can't.

Of course it can be done. Only DNC and RNC anti-racist, anti-white globalist Cucks believe it impossible and don't want it done. Your enabling did this. Now the adults will have to fix it.

Blogger Noah B February 23, 2016 3:16 PM  

Basically our choice is between a guy who will probably betray us (Trump) and people who have already betrayed us several times.

Blogger Gaiseric February 23, 2016 3:17 PM  

As a side effect of the Trump candidacy; other conservatives are starting to stand up and put themselves in opposition to the machine. Because, now they realize that they can and that they don't stand alone.

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2016/02/23/white-house-press-briefing-n2123709?

Blogger tz February 23, 2016 3:22 PM  

That's the problem with Eduardo Rafael. He's a long-winded weasel (ok, that's 2 problems).
This is like his long rambling response on waterboarding, which I will paraphrase, but the debate bell rung to cut him off.

Cruz:
1. Waterboarding isn't really torture (long explanation)
2. Congress passed a law banning it (I'll obey the law)
3. But in a ticking time-bomb scenario, I'll do anything necessary (break the law).

Trump:
"I'll do worse than Waterboarding".

Personally I'm opposed to Torture - that's how we got into Iraq - the "terrorists" confessed to joining with Saddam to make WMDs, to blowing up the Hindenburg and to kidnapping the Lindburg baby.

But at least I know where Trump stands. Clearly. Simply. Unequivocally.

No Nebulous Nuancing. I'm sure Cruz - instead of stating a clear principle, can produce a 300 page detailed position paper. He is a lawyer - originally they were paid by the word, but now by the hour.

Trump has a few concise position papers with implementation details, but he usually states the principles in one or two short sentences.

Blogger Ingot9455 February 23, 2016 3:23 PM  

@85 "Then he will attempt it unilaterally and discover he can't."

Law as it stands gives the Federal Executive dominant power over immigration. Absent any big new immigration laws being passed, Trump as President would have the power to radically deport illegal immigrants with the stroke of a pen, and halt legal immigration as long as he needs to the same way Carter did.

And the best part is that any member of the government who stands in his way and doesn't carry out his orders gives cause to be fired. The purge in government is just as important as the purge of immigrants.

Blogger jay c February 23, 2016 3:23 PM  

Nobody cares if Trump is a jerk. The President needs to be. It's one of the things Trump does right.

The best thing that's come of Trump's candidacy is small shift against immigration among by Cruz. If he'd go the rest of the way and out-Trump Trump on this one issue, he'd have a better chance. As it is, I don't like any of them.

OpenID rufusdog February 23, 2016 3:23 PM  

Student,

No, just assuming the strong support would have some reasonable component of trust, why support the man if you didn’t think he was going to do what he claims? If you are referring to my conspiracy comment, LOL, are you serious, I realize there are always exceptions but give me a break.

Sig,
“Blind assertions” you say, LOL, you need to pay more attention or stop the fanboy routine, something. Keep in mind I will vote for Trump, no question. But what I said is clearly true and easily verifiable.

Bun,
Ya and it goes deeper than that. I assume there comes a time in every Christian’s life (it did for me anyway) where you really, painfully come to realize what being a sinner really means. At that point you realize you trust yourself more than you should, but at that point you should start to grow.

Blogger jay c February 23, 2016 3:24 PM  

But at least I know where Trump stands. Clearly. Simply. Unequivocally.

No, you don't. Trump is the only one who knows where he stands, and he sure as hell isn't telling anyone.

Blogger Ingot9455 February 23, 2016 3:27 PM  

@85 I'm looking it up so I could be wrong, but it seems to me that 'immigration courts' are under the Executive Branch, not the Judiciary. As an example:

http://www.justice.gov/eoir/salt-lake-city-immigration-court

"The Salt Lake City Immigration Court falls under the jurisdiction of the Office of the Chief Immigration Judge which is a component of the Executive Office for Immigration Review under the Department of Justice."

With a stroke of a pen, Trump as President can change the guidelines that the immigration judges must work under or be fired, as long as it's within the overarching law. (I await a real immigration lawyer to tell me better, I'm sure the situation is much more complicated unless you're Obama.)

Blogger bob k. mando February 23, 2016 3:28 PM  

75. sigbouncer February 23, 2016 2:28 PM
There are no abortions within his family.



how do you presume to know this?

Blogger Gaiseric February 23, 2016 3:31 PM  

jay c wrote:No, you don't. Trump is the only one who knows where he stands, and he sure as hell isn't telling anyone.
Sigh. All of this, "Trump is more extraordinarily untrustworthy than any person that ever existed, including the Devil himself" talk is tiresome. Instead of burdening us with it ad nauseum, maybe you can just go back to The Blaze and you and Glenn can have a good cry about it together.

Blogger Student in Blue February 23, 2016 3:33 PM  

@rufusdog
No, just assuming the strong support would have some reasonable component of trust, why support the man if you didn’t think he was going to do what he claims?

It was literally spelled out two topics ago, on the front page, this very day.

Vox: That is why Trump is the only candidate who is worth supporting in 2016, despite being a member of the corporate-political elite, because he is an unpredictable rogue member of it and the only one that might - MIGHT - make a positive difference in the near future in the American national interest. Of course, he also may well not, but we already know beyond any shadow of a doubt that none of the other candidates are worth a damn.

Now, does that sound like trust? If there's any trust going on here, it's trust that all the other candidates are going to be like the politician before them.

This was literally posted today.

OpenID sigbouncer February 23, 2016 3:36 PM  

"But what I said is clearly true and easily verifiable."

If it was clearly true and easily verifiable then you would have done so. You're talking like a politician now. At best you can present speculation as to his true beliefs. As shown previously, his family indicators show differently.

Blogger tz February 23, 2016 3:36 PM  

What will Trump do when he tries to deport 12 million people and realizes that not only can he not do it but that he will be soundly defeated in trying?
What makes you think he will fail in any way. Empower the local police and armed citizenry, some big buses, and catapults if necessary. They can be used for those who won't respond to the citizenry. Seriously, we have a huge cyber tracking grid anyway - CA and others issue driver's licenses to illegals, just track them down. Whose name is on the utility bills? Maybe some are homeless yet existing. If they can't send money via Western Union home, that will be another way to push self-deportation.

If you choose Trump you choose a jerk
They've been saying we must vote for the lesser evil for three decades. At least he will be our jerk. Somehow having the Rockefeller RINOs trying to say "vote for Sanders!" will be sweet schadenfreude if it happens.

Blogger Dexter February 23, 2016 3:37 PM  

Nobody cares if Trump is a jerk. The President needs to be. It's one of the things Trump does right.

The flabby moderate "nice guy" thing worked so well for Romney and Jeb!

Blogger jay c February 23, 2016 3:37 PM  

Sigh. All of this, "Trump is more extraordinarily untrustworthy than any person that ever existed, including the Devil himself" talk is tiresome.

Yeah! History is such a bore.

Blogger Dexter February 23, 2016 3:38 PM  

Personally I'm opposed to Torture -

If it isn't working, you're not doing it right.

OpenID sigbouncer February 23, 2016 3:40 PM  

75. sigbouncer February 23, 2016 2:28 PM
There are no *documented* abortions within his family.

how do you presume to know this?

*Fixed*

Blogger Gaiseric February 23, 2016 3:40 PM  

jay c wrote:Yeah! History is such a bore.
Well... at least that does explain your apparent blinding ignorance. You either don't know any history, or you don't understand any of it.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash February 23, 2016 3:40 PM  

PJ Trump wrote:What will Trump do when he tries to deport 12 million people and realizes that not only can he not do it but that he will be soundly defeated in trying?
And why is that an impossibility? I'm looking forward to the fight, as are a large number of others.

Blogger RobertT February 23, 2016 3:40 PM  

No. Although I would consider it if he pardons my father, abolishes the IRS, and disbars the prosecutor and judge.

Your dad got screwed. I personally know five or six men convicted of tax evasion who were found guilty and received sentences as long as 25 years. Why your dad didn't get similar treatment. But I suspect all of these men willingly violated their strong philosophical believes, something your dad is not willing to do. Just guessing. In any case, he was screwed because his case is not the norm.

OpenID rufusdog February 23, 2016 3:42 PM  

What has really struck me is the current tone of the Ilk. Used to be RP or death, “RP or I’m not voting” bla, bla, bla. At least RP always struck me as a very principled, genuine man, I don’t know if Trump has a principled bone in his body, but he does say “winning” a lot.

See, I haven’t changed, still voting for the least shitty of the shit birds. Some of you have convinced yourselves the Trumpster isn’t a shit bird, when there is plenty of evidence he is. It is just strange.

I don’t know if I will first cry or laugh when we get Trump amnesty, but it will be “winning” Fuck Ya amnesty when he does it.
Obama was the Magic Negro, Trump is the Magic Douchebag.

Blogger Student in Blue February 23, 2016 3:43 PM  

Yeah! History is such a bore.
Oh that Donald Trump, such a lying untrustworthy guy that he's literally worse than Hitler and Satan combined. He's so untrustworthy why I bet there's a ton of people who want his head on a pike for his business dealings.

I know he's untrustworthy because of my gut feelings and crackshot instincts telling me he's just a big fat phony. That, and... well that's pretty much it. But my feelings are important! And my preferred candidate of choice Whatshisface is waaaay better.

He's a consummate politician so you know he's trustworthy.

Blogger Gaiseric February 23, 2016 3:44 PM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:And why is that an impossibility? I'm looking forward to the fight, as are a large number of others.
It isn't not only difficult, it's trivially easy. In fact, it would be easy enough to offer incentives (or rather, eliminate existing incentives) such that most of them leave on their own. For those that are left, I think it would only take a few months of having federal bounties of $1,000 a head for any illegal, over-stayed, or falsified "legal" immigrant turned in payable to off-duty law enforcement to earn extra cash on the side.

Blogger Student in Blue February 23, 2016 3:45 PM  

@rufusdog
What has really struck me is the current tone of the Ilk.

You're seriously trying to tone police after being proven wrong about trust?

Blogger jay c February 23, 2016 3:46 PM  

You do know that Hitler & Stalin aren't the only historical figures, right? If you check, you might even find that Donald Trump existed before last week.

Blogger Dexter February 23, 2016 3:48 PM  

At least RP always struck me as a very principled, genuine man, I don’t know if Trump has a principled bone in his body, but he does say “winning” a lot.

RP could not say "winning" because he never did that.

Blogger Student in Blue February 23, 2016 3:50 PM  

@jay c
You do know that Hitler & Stalin aren't the only historical figures, right?

Check your reading comprehension.

If you check, you might even find that Donald Trump existed before last week.

Yeah, like how he went on Oprah 25 years ago talking about... America first! And how he was at the Republican National Convention in 1988...

Oh, wait.

Blogger Ingot9455 February 23, 2016 3:50 PM  

@112 Yes, and I just read that under current immigration law, the President can declare a state of emergency which permits all state and local police to arrest immigrants for broaches of federal law.

That would empower all police to check immigration status of all detainees, and arrest for illegal entry (misdemeanor) or repeated illegal entry (felony). If they entered on an expired visa, they can get out of the misdemeanor by showing the legal visa... which since it's expired puts them on the deportation bus.

Really, the laws are set up to make this whole deportation thing very very easy. It's just that the elites aren't following our laws.

(https://www.cga.ct.gov/2005/rpt/2005-R-0457.htm)

"In addition, federal immigration law explicitly authorizes state and local police officers to enforce various provisions of the immigration law, including civil provisions, under three circumstances. The first involves a written agreement between the U.S. attorney general and a state or municipality in which state or local officers are deputized as immigration officers under federal supervision at state or local expense. The second involves the declaration by the U.S. attorney general of an emergency due to an influx of aliens. The third concerns the enforcement of a specific criminal provision of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA)."

Blogger Jourdan February 23, 2016 3:51 PM  

I love the comments about how Trump is not credible or trustworthy.

Totally missing the point, guys.

Do you think we're trying to make a decision about which candidate to support?

Try NRO if you're interested in such horse races.

OpenID sigbouncer February 23, 2016 3:53 PM  

"At least RP always struck me as a very principled, genuine man"

And now we are getting to the gist of your Trump ramblings.

You simply prefer the mild mannered Clark Kent over Superman with the cape and big S on his shirt.

Blogger tz February 23, 2016 3:56 PM  

Name anything ugly, broken, stinky, or otherwise designed to be dilapidated so as to squeeze customers, or exploit employees that Trump has created.

No, everything he does has to be best, top-notch, yet he insures the costs are controlled, drives hard bargains, and most of the time succeeds.

He builds great hotels, great golf courses, great everything. Nothing even economy, much less second rate.

Why should I not suspect Trump will make America like his hotels and golf courses - great?

Blogger praetorian February 23, 2016 3:56 PM  

Scott Adams, FTW:

https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/702230555559997440

Perfect.

Blogger Were-Puppy February 23, 2016 4:13 PM  

@6 Dexter

When Cruz says we should not "punish legal immigrants", what does he mean?
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Maybe he is trying to sneak in acceptance of anchor babies popped out in border towns?

OpenID rufusdog February 23, 2016 4:16 PM  

Student,

No, I couldn’t give half a rip about tone in that sense, “struck me” isn’t communicating to you that I think the tone is good or bad, as I said, just strange, too me. The Ron Paul or die thing did make some sense because I believed him principled and trustworthy; he had a proven, CONSISTENT record. Trump has none of that.

I didn’t read the other piece, I was busy and it seemed to be discussing the differences between the European right and American right, didn’t strike my interest.

But Vox did say MIGHT, that’s about right, I thought Vox had more confidence than that. Oh and I do think he is wrong, Cruz MIGHT, make a positive difference, Cruz or Clinton? Cruz all day, no hesitation.

Blogger Were-Puppy February 23, 2016 4:16 PM  

@11 Lesner
The truth is that a good chunk of Trump supporters and pretty much all the "alt-right" are childless single men who have failed in many ways. You guys are not people who matter in the overall course of humanity. Enjoy your echo chamber sewing circle while you can because Trump is not going to get above 30% of the republican vote and will receive maybe 20% of the popular vote at the max.

Look, I know you guys like being the victim and thinking you are oppressed but please, just once, try to confront reality and improve your situation.
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[X] 1. SJWs Always Lie
[X] 2. SJWs Always Double Down
[X] 3. SJWs Always Project

Anonymous PJ Trump February 23, 2016 4:18 PM  

"Of course it can be done. Only DNC and RNC anti-racist, anti-white globalist Cucks believe it impossible and don't want it done. Your enabling did this. Now the adults will have to fix it."

You make it sound like there would not be 47-51% of the public that opposed a Teump presidency, they wouldn't stand against a Trump presidency, and that there would not be a Democrstic party that would obstruct.

In other words, you discount reality. That's not gonna work well.

Blogger Gaiseric February 23, 2016 4:21 PM  

rufusdog wrote:No, I couldn’t give half a rip about tone in that sense, “struck me” isn’t communicating to you that I think the tone is good or bad, as I said, just strange, too me. The Ron Paul or die thing did make some sense because I believed him principled and trustworthy; he had a proven, CONSISTENT record. Trump has none of that.
So you prefer career politicians after all, then? I don't. I've had it with career politicians.

Blogger Gaiseric February 23, 2016 4:22 PM  

PJ Trump wrote:You make it sound like there would not be 47-51% of the public that opposed a Teump presidency, they wouldn't stand against a Trump presidency, and that there would not be a Democrstic party that would obstruct.

In other words, you discount reality. That's not gonna work well.

76% of statistics cited on the internet are made up on the spot.

Anonymous Steve February 23, 2016 4:22 PM  

Rufus, Ron Paul didn't win though.

Blogger Noah B February 23, 2016 4:25 PM  

Trump doesn't seem to care what large swaths of Americans think of him, which eliminates the usual cuck motive for betrayal: the desire to appear nice and reasonable to the left. Instead he seems to enjoy antagonistically prodding them.

So if Trump does betray us, he will probably at least do so for motives that are all his own. At least for us it's trying something new rather than an exercise in Einsteinian insanity.

Anonymous PJTrump February 23, 2016 4:26 PM  

"And why is that an impossibility? I'm looking forward to the fight, as are a large number of others"

Neither you nor anyone else will do a thing to help trump when he tries but fails to deport millions. You are like Trump: a big talker with no clue how America works.

Blogger Noah B February 23, 2016 4:28 PM  

You make it sound like there would not be 47-51% of the public that opposed a Teump presidency, they wouldn't stand against a Trump presidency, and that there would not be a Democrstic party that would obstruct.

Let the EBT boycotts begin.

Blogger Were-Puppy February 23, 2016 4:30 PM  

@28 Deenus
It says a lot about you guys that you would choose Trump over Bush.
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It says a lot that you are unaware Senor Jeburrito has dropped out of the race, and retired bitterly back to Tijuana with Sombrero in hand.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash February 23, 2016 4:30 PM  

Oh, I get it. Nothing that has political opposition can ever be accomplished, so, why even try?
You deserve the GOP. And they deserve you.

Anonymous PJ Trump February 23, 2016 4:34 PM  

Snidely,

The point is that Trump is supported by those more anchored in fantasy world than in reality....just like Trump.

Blogger Charlie Martel 7359 February 23, 2016 4:36 PM  

@3 Have you heard of "weird Twitter" or Something Awful Goons? They play syntactic games like calling free speech "freeze peach."

One habit I've picked up is calling inappropriate Jewish whining "muh antiseptic." ;)

Blogger Ingot9455 February 23, 2016 4:37 PM  

@125 We welcome the Democrats' obstruction of Trump. It gives him the opportunity to fire anyone in the Executive Branch who obstructs him with cause. Hell, he had an entire damn TV show all about firing people.

Blogger JaimeInTexas February 23, 2016 4:38 PM  

@105. Dexter February 23, 2016 3:38 PM

"
Personally I'm opposed to Torture -

If it isn't working, you're not doing it right.
"

What should the penalty be for a torturer who tortured an innocent man?

Blogger James Dixon February 23, 2016 4:39 PM  

> I am told by a Jewish friend that he would vote for Trump except Trump is not "for Israel" and does not "think of Israel" in the same way Cruz, Bernie, or His Gal Hillary are and do.

Tell him: Yeah, that's why I'm voting for him. Just to see the look on his face.

> The truth is that a good chunk of Trump supporters and pretty much all the "alt-right" are childless single men who have failed in many ways.

In your dreams.

> It says a lot about you guys that you would choose Trump over Bush.

Funny, the last time I checked Bush wasn't running for President.

> If you choose Trump you choose a jerk

Duh. He's a Yankee. Of course he's a jerk. What does that have to do with whether he'll be a good President or not?

> The Ilk’s trust of this guy is very amusing, especially given the overall conspiratorial nature of this group.

What makes you think we trust Trump. He just hasn't betrayed us yet. The others have.

Anonymous DDT February 23, 2016 4:42 PM  

Trump just shot himself in his foot with his comment where he clearly called all Mexicans racists, which is what he said. He'll quit the race in disgrace soon. You'd know this if you lived in reality.

-->

Trump's a lunatic who just attacked beloved John McCain, war hero, and it just proves he's an idiot who's out of his depth. He's not going to even make it to Iowa. You'd know this if you just lived in reality.

-->

Trump's popular now only because it's so early in the race. Now that we're seeing the news, people are starting to realize we need a real commander in chief, not some loudmouth. He's out after Iowa. you'd know this if you just lived in reality.

-->

Trump won in New Hampshire, some state filled with oddballs. South Carolina is Cruz Country. He's going to flame out to second, maybe even third place, and that's going to seal it for him. You'd know this if you just lived in reality.


At this rate, we're going to hear, "Fine, so millions of illegals are voluntarily self-deporting and many others are being sent home. But the president's plan with X is absolutely absurd. You'd know this if you just lived in reality."

Blogger James Dixon February 23, 2016 4:43 PM  

> You make it sound like there would not be 47-51% of the public that opposed a Teump presidency,

I notice that you've carefully left out the word "voting" in your sentence. Which means there's a chance it's true. Probably not, but a chance.

Anonymous 11B February 23, 2016 4:47 PM  

The point is that Trump is supported by those more anchored in fantasy world than in reality....just like Trump.

Give me a break. That is a simplistic critique that can be thrown at any candidate. You don't think Bernie's millennials who think they are going to get everything in life free are not living in a fantasy?

Blogger Were-Puppy February 23, 2016 4:48 PM  

@70 Student in Blue
You're also shoving words into everyone's mouths by saying that we all trust him.
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He is from New York, after all. Makes it easy to be suspicious of him. But I hope he does the things he says.

Anonymous 11B February 23, 2016 4:51 PM  

I am told by a Jewish friend that he would vote for Trump except Trump is not "for Israel" and does not "think of Israel" in the same way Cruz, Bernie, or His Gal Hillary are and do.

Tell him that is one of the reasons the GOP never supported Patrick Buchanan who was sounding the alarm on immigration and free trade deals as far back as his 1992 campaign. Explain to him how if we had acted then, our demographic future might not have been baked into the case as it probably is now. Let him know that if we don't address it now, we probably won't get another chance. Finally ask him how sympathetic to Israel a third world America will be.

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Blogger CM February 23, 2016 4:55 PM  

Slightly OT:
So the left is starting to lay the groundwork for National Socialism and Hitler not being Socialists or leftists...
http://www.politicususa.com/2012/09/12/hitler-explains-gop-wrong-national-socialism.html

Anonymous XT February 23, 2016 4:57 PM  

Trump supporter here. College athlete. Self-employed, income last year near $200k. Hot wife. 4 kids, one already married during college. Leader in multiple community organizations.

Sending Trump to Washington to burn it down. Anything else is a bonus.

Blogger Were-Puppy February 23, 2016 5:06 PM  

@99 Gaiseric

jay c wrote:
No, you don't. Trump is the only one who knows where he stands, and he sure as hell isn't telling anyone.

Sigh. All of this, "Trump is more extraordinarily untrustworthy than any person that ever existed, including the Devil himself" talk is tiresome. Instead of burdening us with it ad nauseum, maybe you can just go back to The Blaze and you and Glenn can have a good cry about it together.
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And we know Blubberin' Beck is a known liar, sending out bogus tweets impersonating other people, Trump in particular. He's part of the problem with Cruz campaign getting that dishonest vibe.

I guess when he gave away George Washingtons Golden Compass to Teddy, he lost his way.

Anonymous 11B February 23, 2016 5:13 PM  

so the left is starting to lay the groundwork for National Socialism and Hitler not being Socialists or leftists...

If the Nazis were to come back to Germany today, would you oppose them?

Blogger Alexandros February 23, 2016 5:15 PM  

I wish Greece had a wall :\

Blogger Noah B February 23, 2016 5:16 PM  

Of course the National Socialists weren't socialists. Do you ever see robust economic growth under socialism?

Blogger Were-Puppy February 23, 2016 5:18 PM  

@149 Alexandros
I wish Greece had a wall :\
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Greece could have good times if they sank many boats

Blogger bob k. mando February 23, 2016 5:18 PM  

125. PJ Trump February 23, 2016 4:18 PM
and that there would not be a Democrstic party that would obstruct.



hilarious that you haven't noticed that Demoncrats are the minority in both the House and Senate.

the fact is that right now, TODAY, almost all legislation *should be* either on Republican terms or at least on terms that are not overtly repugnant to Republicans.

the Dems have a good chance to retake the Senate ( 24 Recucklican incumbents vs 10 at risk for the Dems ), i don't see ANYONE asserting that they will retake the House.

therefore, any Congressional obstruction to a Republican president will likely have to come from the GOPe agents McConnell and Ryan.

does anyone doubt their ability find their spines and stand up to Trump after 8 years of selling out to Obama every chance they got?

you think that this is an accident?


125. PJ Trump February 23, 2016 4:18 PM
In other words, you discount reality. That's not gonna work well.



first they told us Trump would never get in the race.

then they told us that he was a clown who would get no support and that ¡Jeb! could win the election "without the base".

then they told us that only lunatic nutjob reactionary right wing rednecks were falling for Trump's line.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgZzutMxINQ


then they told us that Donald would have a "ceiling" of ~20% disaffected Republicans.


then they told us that his ceiling was 30%.

then they told us that he's not a real conservative ... but that McConnell and Boehner and Hastert and Grahamnesty and McCain are?

get on with your bad selves and keep getting chumped by the Trump. he can keep proving you wrong longer than you can keep making retarded predictions.



133. Snidely Whiplash February 23, 2016 4:30 PM
You deserve the GOP. And they deserve you.



what makes you think he's not another homo holding Hillary's jock strap?

Blogger Student in Blue February 23, 2016 5:20 PM  

@rufusdog
The Ron Paul or die thing did make some sense because I believed him principled and trustworthy; he had a proven, CONSISTENT record. Trump has none of that.

This is exactly why I accused you of not even reading the same blog and comments section as everyone else.

You keep repeating these things as if they're some refutation or something we haven't heard before. It's been debunked in thread after thread after thread.

We. Don't. Care. that Trump doesn't have a record. The point has always been that all the other candidates have a record... and that record is bad!

So if it's a roll of the dice if he's good or not, so be it!

Is this really something that has to be repeated in every single thread where Trump is mentioned?

But Vox did say MIGHT, that’s about right, I thought Vox had more confidence than that.

Now that we've established that you don't read what Vox writes (because this is NOT the first time he's said this), next time read his own words instead of guessing.

Blogger John Morris February 23, 2016 5:23 PM  

Personally I think the discussion is pointless since Cruz can't, under any plausible scenario, win the election. His current positions aren't too important. On the other hand Trump can't cross 50% yet so it is vital that Cruz continue to try. So tell every pollster you are 100% Team Trump and then send Ted some cash.

Trump runs on polls and the bandwagon effect it generates while Cruz still needs old fashioned cash money. If you are fortunate enough to live in a State where your vote actually matters, judge the tactical situation as you find it on election day. Cruz does need to win enough delegates to remain viable and if we got to the convention with Trump slightly under half and needing to partner with Cruz that would be great too.

A Trump/Cruz ticket would have the potential to dominate the White House for sixteen years, a long enough run to dampen the normal nudge right (usually just slow the slide left though) followed by a big move left alternation we normally see. Any current issues with Cruz should be settled after eight years of Trump redefining the Overton Window.

Blogger bob k. mando February 23, 2016 5:24 PM  

139. DDT February 23, 2016 4:42 PM
You'd know this if you just lived in reality."



you know, that sounds AWFULLY similar to how the media and Recucklican establishment used to talk about Reagan.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash February 23, 2016 5:32 PM  

bob k. mando wrote:"...Hillary's jock strap"

has GOT to be a euphemism for another candidate. Not sure if it's Kasich or Rubio.

Blogger James Dixon February 23, 2016 5:36 PM  

> South Carolina is Cruz Country. He's going to flame out to second, maybe even third place, and that's going to seal it for him. You'd know this if you just lived in reality.

South Carolina Republicans voted this past Saturday. You'd know this if you just lived in reality.

Blogger unconventional nazi February 23, 2016 5:41 PM  

12. praetorian February 23, 2016 12:42 PM
"If I promise to let my boys know what you think, Lesner, will you promise to let your cats know what I think?"
--------------------------------------------------

If I could post pics here, you sir would receive a Pepe frog toast.

Anonymous Laz February 23, 2016 5:42 PM  

Build a wall and finance it by taxing $5 for every wire transfer going to Mexico. There would be more than enough money to build, outfit and continually man it. More than enough money to line the pockets of anybody who disagrees with it too.

Anonymous BGKB February 23, 2016 5:42 PM  

What will Trump do when he tries to deport 12 million people and realizes that not only can he not do it but that he will be soundly defeated in trying?

Offer a pardon to anyone who kills a drug dealer, illegal alien felon or person with MS-13 facial tattoos. The first person that bags a dozen MS-13 bangers will have illegals running for the hills. Being pre pardoned means people wouldn't risk losing their professional licenses. Receiving the first pardon is a 6'+ male nurse wearing a rainbow feather boa & a mauser.

125 You make it sound like there would not be 47-51% of the public that opposed a Teump presidency

Some of the people on govt handouts would know there is less to hand out if shared with illegals.

Why should I not suspect Trump will make America like his hotels and golf courses - great?

Trump might put water cannons on top of the wall that people can pay to operate online, or make the Wall one big hotel.

Anonymous BGKB February 23, 2016 5:45 PM  

Build a wall and finance it by taxing $5 for every wire transfer going to Mexico

No point in taking less than Carlos Slims does off of each.

Blogger Josh February 23, 2016 5:50 PM  

Name anything ugly, broken, stinky, or otherwise designed to be dilapidated so as to squeeze customers, or exploit employees that Trump has created.

Trump University

Blogger Josh February 23, 2016 5:54 PM  

Name anything ugly, broken, stinky, or otherwise designed to be dilapidated so as to squeeze customers, or exploit employees that Trump has created.

Trump Winery

Blogger Nick S February 23, 2016 5:58 PM  

Trump might put water cannons on top of the wall that people can pay to operate online...

Make it laser cannons and I'm in.

Blogger John Wright February 23, 2016 5:59 PM  

"You guys are not people who matter in the overall course of humanity."

We Houyhnhnms stop reading any yahoo the moment he flings the poop ball known as argumentum ad hominem.

Christ died childless and under 33, so by this metric He was also a man who did not matter.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan February 23, 2016 6:00 PM  

The right is just now starting to play personal politics versus the left, the left IMO is in for a world of butt hurt.

Anonymous 11B February 23, 2016 6:02 PM  

What will Trump do when he tries to deport 12 million people and realizes that not only can he not do it but that he will be soundly defeated in trying?

Actually it is not hard to imagine what could happen. President Eisenhower launched Operation Wetback and caused many times more illegals to self deport than his agents actually rounded up. Remove the incentives and they will go.

Here is an article from 2006 in which border agents under Ike recall their experiences.

Then on June 17, 1954, what was called "Operation Wetback" began. Because political resistance was lower in California and Arizona, the roundup of aliens began there. Some 750 agents swept northward through agricultural areas with a goal of 1,000 apprehensions a day. By the end of July, over 50,000 aliens were caught in the two states. Another 488,000, fearing arrest, had fled the country.

By mid-July, the crackdown extended northward into Utah, Nevada, and Idaho, and eastward to Texas.

By September, 80,000 had been taken into custody in Texas, and an estimated 500,000 to 700,000 illegals had left the Lone Star State voluntarily.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash February 23, 2016 6:06 PM  

So Cruz has dug up a sexual scandal on Marco Rubio, same one Crist tried to use in 2012.
Rubio banging plain-jane lobbyist.
Shock is through the roof on this one, because it's at least nominally female.

Blogger Noah B February 23, 2016 6:07 PM  

What will Trump do when he tries to deport 12 million people and realizes that not only can he not do it but that he will be soundly defeated in trying?

A simple executive finding that illegals are aiding ISIS and that's that.

Anonymous Joe February 23, 2016 6:14 PM  

Trump definitely has better truisms, clichés and slogans than anybody else in the race.

Anonymous Cadwallander J February 23, 2016 6:23 PM  

Will you repatriate if Trump wins, Vox? If so, I might lend my support to Trump.

Never happen. In the US, only little kids, teenage girls, and illegals play soccer - and the latter will be gone if Trump is president.

Blogger CM February 23, 2016 6:29 PM  

If the Nazis were to come back to Germany today, would you oppose them?

I'm hoping for something a bit more like El Cid opposing a violent invader as an act of warfare.

The soft conquest of jews on German economics being met with wholesale slaughter is a bit harder for me to accept. Granted, I'm not sure jailing or exporting the guilty parties would have been met with any more favorability and there was no country to send the Jews to.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash February 23, 2016 6:35 PM  

CM wrote:The soft conquest of jews on German economics being met with wholesale slaughter is a bit harder for me to accept. Granted, I'm not sure jailing or exporting the guilty parties would have been met with any more favorability and there was no country to send the Jews to.
I duuno, a German armored column protecting a half-million Jews as they colonized the Palestinian Mandate despite British fury would have been top kek.

Blogger Sam Lively February 23, 2016 6:51 PM  

@123
It's a continuum.

Ron Paul was the voice crying in the wilderness. The GOP base was still in denial about the extent of corruption among the party elite.

Ron Paul's consistency of principle made him uniquely qualified to expose that ugly to truth to a good section of the base while Sarah Palin and the Tea Party failed to fully extricate themselves from the establishment's tentacles and the desire to blame everything on the Democrats.

But Ron Paul's ability to be anything more than a fire bell in the night was quickly exposed. As a strictly ideological purist, with little to offer beyond the intellectual framework of libertarianism, he had no capacity for spearheading a real revolutionary movement. He had the courage of his convictions, but a nerdy, borderline shrill stage presence to go along with an inelastic and ultimately insufficient political philosophy.

He was the perfect guy to take on a runaway federal government and central bank, but he had no eye for the smoldering populist issues of immigration and trade. He was also far too mild and abstract to outmuscle a hostile media and establishment.

Now Trump comes along with much of the same sanity on foreign policy, the flexibility to revive Pat Buchanan's thundering populism on immigration and trade in contradiction of anarcho-libertarian dogma, and the commanding alpha presence to completely turn the tables on the other candidates, their donors and their media protectors.

It should be pretty obvious why so many have hopped from Paul to Trump. Paul sprung a leak in the dam, but Trump is the one who bust the hole wide open.

Anonymous BGKB February 23, 2016 7:24 PM  

CM wrote:
"The soft conquest of jews on German economics being met with wholesale slaughter is a bit harder for me to accept. Granted, I'm not sure jailing or exporting the guilty parties would have been met with any more favorability and there was no country to send the Jews to."


Martin Schulz, a German Social Democratic politician and the president of the EU Parliament, reportedly told an Israeli politician,
"For me, the new Germany exists only in order to ensure the existence of the State of Israel and the Jewish people."

The source? Avraham Burg, an Israeli businessman and Knesset member, in Haaretz of last year
http://www.radixjournal.com/blog/2016/1/19/german-questions

OpenID rufusdog February 23, 2016 7:26 PM  

Student,

Are you female? I’m curious at this point given your responses.

Like I said, I didn’t read the post you referenced and I don’t read every post on the blog. It seems as though there a multiple authors lately given the schizophrenic nature of some of the posts, so I don’t take everything as necessarily from Vox. Curious, how many authors post as Vox or is it claimed only he posts?

Not that my comments spoke of Vox’s trust anyway, I referenced Ilk. You shifted it to Vox, as if I had been specifically speaking to or about him and I wasn’t. All well and good, either you don’t read carefully or you are dishonest.

Thinking about it and being specific to Vox, you are right he seems to admire Trumps style, leadership, Alphaness, yada, yada, more than issues or trust.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash February 23, 2016 7:34 PM  

@rufusdig
You disingenuous little gamma. Liars expect everyone else to be lying. If you are so dismissive of Vox, that you can't even address your insults directly to him, at least read enough to know what you're talking about.
Seriously, dude, you talk like a little gamma bitch faggot.

Blogger VD February 23, 2016 7:44 PM  

It seems as though there a multiple authors lately given the schizophrenic nature of some of the posts, so I don’t take everything as necessarily from Vox. Curious, how many authors post as Vox or is it claimed only he posts?

The fact that some of the posts are over your head does not make them schizophrenic.

Thinking about it and being specific to Vox, you are right he seems to admire Trumps style, leadership, Alphaness, yada, yada, more than issues or trust.

You are a little Gamma bitch. One certain Gamma identifier is the constant attempt to speak for the current target. I don't admire Trump's style. I am an introverted intellectual who prefers dialectic. He is an extroverted populist who is a master of rhetoric that appeals to the lowest common denominator.

But I am very thankful that he is shattering the media's control of what can and cannot be discussed, and I support his American nationalism. Those are important issues, not whatever "yada yada" might be.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash February 23, 2016 7:48 PM  

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Anonymous Bill Martin February 23, 2016 9:33 PM  

re: Natural Born Citizenship MUST be awarded to everyone born on US magic dirt. How many people are aware that American Indians (have you got any candidates for more "naturally born" than that?) were not considered US citizens until Coolidge signed the Snyder Act in 1924? Before that, Indians were considered to be citizens of their Tribal Nations, not the US. Why can't the same logic be used to deny US citizenship to anchor babies who have no connection to the US except a quicky trip to a US hospital at delivery time?

Blogger Mark February 23, 2016 9:51 PM  

Of course, that's what Trump says THIS week. He'll say something different next week. I'm really shocked how many people he's taken in by his lies about what he'll do about immigration.

Blogger bob k. mando February 23, 2016 10:01 PM  

180. Bill Martin February 23, 2016 9:33 PM
Natural Born Citizenship MUST be awarded to everyone born on US magic dirt.



point of order:
"Citizenship" and "Natural Born Citizenship" are two different legal concepts.

you can confer regular citizenship status through simple Jus Soli but not NBC. this is what makes Rubio ineligible to run.

although i doubt any American court will actually enforce the law.

Blogger DrewGadberry February 23, 2016 10:05 PM  

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OpenID rufusdog February 23, 2016 10:08 PM  

You didn’t answer the question. The posts aren’t over my head and I’m not the first one to notice.

Yada, yada, was simply meant to express the things other than trust. I wasn’t trying to speak for you just conceding Students point, you haven’t claimed Trump is trustworthy.

Spare me the Gamma, Delta, BS Vox, you don’t know me and I don’t care.

I’m going to vote Trump because he will be better than Hillary and everyone I don’t like hates the guy. That’s good enough for me…even if he is a fake.

Since your already pissy, might as well, reading at Danger and Play today, you do pick some strange folks to support. Mike comes off like a hipster self-help version of Nietzsche. He has good ideas…but something rotten always lies close by.

You are an odd man Vox, always interesting, but odd.

Blogger Escoffier February 23, 2016 10:23 PM  

Alright. Which one of you lowlifes made this sweet young thing cry..

https://youtu.be/CoAmll3ViQA

I'm looking at you BGKB!

Anonymous Andrew E. February 23, 2016 11:43 PM  

Trump University

Not what you've heard.

http://lamecherry.blogspot.com/2016/02/erick-erickson-deranged-and-cruz-crooked.html

Anonymous chedolf February 23, 2016 11:56 PM  

11B: "Anyone who won't support reducing legal immigration is not a solution, but is part of the problem."

Napoleon 12pdr: "To be honest, we don't need to reduce legal immigration. We need a holiday from it. Were I President, I'd be pushing for the following: ... 4. A 10-year moratorium on immigration."

Jourdan: "...anyone who is not committed to stopping or significantly restricting LEGAL immigration is simply not serious."

It heartens me to see people emphasizing this essential point.

Blogger Student in Blue February 23, 2016 11:56 PM  

@rufusdog
Not that my comments spoke of Vox’s trust anyway, I referenced Ilk. You shifted it to Vox, as if I had been specifically speaking to or about him and I wasn’t. All well and good, either you don’t read carefully or you are dishonest.

If you don't even read the original topic, you're pretty much guaranteed to not have read the comment section.

Unless you're one of the special windowlickers who don't read anything and intentionally muck up the comment section. Do you seriously want me to instead assume you're a mentally deficient troll?

Blogger Student in Blue February 24, 2016 12:09 AM  

You didn’t answer the question. The posts aren’t over my head and I’m not the first one to notice.

"It's not over my head! Answer my question!" as the answer to his question flies over his head.

OpenID sigbouncer February 24, 2016 12:43 AM  

@ rufusdog

Enough with insulting the host dick wart. Learn some manners or go fuck yourself.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY February 24, 2016 1:08 AM  

186. Andrew E
Josh will never get over his butthurt for Rand, by which he stands.
Some kids never grow up. Joshy is the yardstick on this.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY February 24, 2016 1:13 AM  

181. Mark
Another butthurt crybaby, Sheesh.
Don't be a chump, vote for der Trump !

Blogger Were-Puppy February 24, 2016 1:34 AM  

@185 Escoffier
Alright. Which one of you lowlifes made this sweet young thing cry..
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Wasn't me, but I haven't ever been called by any of these polls and such, ever, in my entire life :P

Anonymous Discard February 24, 2016 1:39 AM  

125. P.J. Trump: If the government can deliberately discriminate against Whites for 40 years, it can expel the wetbacks. Nothing is illegal, nothing is unconstitutional. Power is what counts.

Blogger SciVo February 24, 2016 7:04 AM  

Deenus @28:

It says a lot about you guys that you would choose Bush over Trump.

One is a flawed man who would tend to ALL americans (citizens, citizens, citizens, and also citizens).

One basically says he will advance the interests of foreigners over natives.

I know who I would choose.

If you choose Bush you choose a traitor.

Blogger jla February 24, 2016 8:09 AM  

bob k. mando
I saw you over at accordingtohoyt making a similar argument on behalf of Cruz's status, by appealing to the 1790'naturalization act'. I would think that you would understand that Congress can't simply redefine words in order to change the Constitution, but since they sometimes get away with it, maybe not. Someone obviously did shortly after this act was enacted, as in 1795 they passed a new 'naturalization act' which specifically removed the word natural from the previous version. If you think about it, if one obtains his citizenship by a naturalization act, you are in fact a naturalized citizen by statute.
Appealing to his mothers status is of no avail, as the requirement is one of solemn allegiance. In fact it makes the situation more restrictive in that both parents should now be required to be citizens.

Blogger Scott6584 February 24, 2016 8:31 AM  

Enjoy the victory while it lasts. I sincerely hope you guys are right about Trump, and that I am proven wrong. But all I feel now is a great sense of foreboding.

OpenID rufusdog February 24, 2016 8:34 AM  

Student,

Funny stuff, no Vox’s answer was vague and evasive.

LOL, but keep it coming, “flies over your head”, that you would even bother…

Meh, I realize it’s the internet, but you could at least try to be honest and fair minded.

But either way, honesty is more interesting, buy your fumbling snarky flailing is amusing.

Blogger Scott6584 February 24, 2016 8:38 AM  

Enjoy the victory while it lasts. I sincerely hope you guys are right about Trump, and that I am proven wrong. But all I feel now is a great sense of foreboding.

Blogger SciVo February 24, 2016 9:21 AM  

Napoleon 12pdr wrote:And for the record, Cruz is no longer Trump's main opponent. Rubio is. You might direct your fire at him.

It takes eight delegate majorities (not just pluralities) to be presented as a candidate at the national convention. Cruz will probably get one (Texas) next Tuesday. Rubio probably won't, and until he does, he isn't even a serious contender.

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