ALL BLOG POSTS AND COMMENTS COPYRIGHT (C) 2003-2016 VOX DAY. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. REPRODUCTION WITHOUT WRITTEN PERMISSION IS EXPRESSLY PROHIBITED.

Tuesday, February 23, 2016

Donald Trump: democratic socialist

As I said before, Sarah's take on these things is always amusing:
The blogger has never understood the difference between European right and American right.  Not stupid but strangely culturally blind — and COMPLETELY misunderstood it. I mean, amazingly, bizarrely misunderstood.
What I find funny about this is that Sarah goes on and on and on about how no one can possibly understand Europe, or European politics, except her (because poor village in Portugal), when the easily confirmed fact of the matter is that she doesn't even understand what America is. And her logic is amusingly specious: she understands the danger that Donald Trump poses to America better than everyone else because Portugal.

Do you see what I mean about immigrants? They don't even understand how their basic perspective is intrinsically foreign. They are fish wondering what this water of which you speak might be.

Now, she is right about one thing. I will not be Portuguese or Italian or German no matter how long I live in Europe. Here, you can move from a neighboring village that is a 10-minute walk away and you will always be stranieri to the locals. But what Sarah fails to understand is that she is no more American than I am Portuguese. She is a US resident, perhaps even a US citizen, but she is not an American. America is not an idea. America is not a concept. America is not a proposition nation. One cannot, contra her past assertions, become a genuine American just because one happens to believe one thinks a certain way.

Now, an immigrant may have a recognizably American spirit, just as it is possible for an American expat to have an Italian spirit, a Swiss spirit, a French spirit, or a Portuguese spirit, and even to have it recognized by the natives as such. But that does not make one any more an American than it makes one Italian, Swiss, French, or Portuguese.

The notion that America is nothing more than an idea is a modern one, a 20th century invention, and a fiction which immigration advocates hell-bent on replacing Americans with immigrants like Sarah herself, advocates such as George W. Bush and Barack Obama, have repeatedly attempted to sell to the public. Had she read Cuckservative, she would know this. Even the famous "melting pot" to which many so often appeal is a romantic 19th century invention of a Russian Jew who lived in Britain. It has nothing to do with America, Americans, or American history.

And the fact is that I know the difference between the European right and the American right much, much better than she does. I even happen to be acquainted with some of the various players on both sides of the Atlantic.

As for Donald Trump being a Democrat and a socialist, well, I can testify that he was not only at the Republican National Convention in New Orleans in 1988, but he sat right behind me in George H.W. Bush's personal suite the night Bush accepted the Republican nomination. He even apologized to me for nearly putting his shoe on my shoulder when he crossed his legs.

I doubt Sarah realizes how few of the major players on either side of the aisle actually care in the slightest about their party's platforms or official ideologies; they are in the political game for power and money. Trump is no more a socialist than the self-styled "Houston Mafia" that surrounded Bush the Elder were; he doesn't have any more ideological bones in his body than did Bush '41 or Bush '43. Sarah talks about Trump's connections to the Clintons, but what she doesn't grasp is that the entire corporate-political elite is connected. Bill Clinton is closer to the Bush family than he is to Trump; in fact, it's entirely possible that Trump's connection to both Clintons is through the Bush family.

Is Trump going to govern like Obama? Or like the Bushes? Perhaps in many ways, but unlike the other Republican candidates, that is unlikely in regards to the only issue that matters at the moment: immigration. Trump is the only one talking about a wall, talking about stopping Muslim immigration, and even talking about deportations. And that, I strongly suspect, is the real fear of Trump opponents like Sarah. It's not that they think he will govern like Obama on immigration and the American national interest, but they fear that he won't.

That is why Trump is the only candidate who is worth supporting in 2016, despite being a member of the corporate-political elite, because he is an unpredictable rogue member of it and the only one that might - MIGHT - make a positive difference in the near future in the American national interest. Of course, he also may well not, but we already know beyond any shadow of a doubt that none of the other candidates are worth a damn.

He isn't an ideal candidate, he probably isn't even a good candidate, and he certainly isn't a trustworthy candidate, but nevertheless, at this point, he is the only possible candidate.

Labels: ,

210 Comments:

1 – 200 of 210 Newer› Newest»
Anonymous PhillipGeorge©2016 February 23, 2016 4:27 AM  

discrimination equals discernment. Which prostitute doesn't carry a venereal disease might be the better metaphor.
Bang for their bucks used to be a concept both left and right could grasp.

["the buck stops here" was carved by a penitentiary inmate, but at a time when both prisoner and president could agree on what was in the national interest]

Blogger JACIII February 23, 2016 5:07 AM  

"That is why he is the only candidate who is worth supporting"

But, Jindhal! But, Rand Paul!

If ever a post needed a trigger warning...

Anonymous Steve February 23, 2016 5:07 AM  

Supreme Dark Lord,

Ted Cruz now says he will deport 12 million illegal immigrants.

Would you be tempted to back Ted?

Blogger haus frau February 23, 2016 5:09 AM  

Conservatives keep screaming that Trump isn't a conservative. They point out things like his support of planned parenthood and eminent domain rulings and yet, these things happened under the watch of conservative politicians. The kelo decision happened during the bush administration and I believe, was voted in by at least one conservative appointed justice. Of course we all know about the most recent occasion congress caved on planned parent hood last December. Conservatives have conserved nothing and have yet to catch onto the fact that the public is noticing. I keep thinking about Jeb! whining that Trump isn't conservative. Crying conservatism is now a joke on jeb and his kind. Their brand has no meaning with the phblic.
I watched the establishment faction purposely run down the clock and steal ballot boxes to block ron paul delegates at the 2012 oregon republican convention. They richly deservery trump. When I think of Trump Im reminded of the scene in Ghostbusters where the evil spirit tells the Ghostbusters to chose the formation of their "destructor" and they end up fighting the stay puff marshmallow man. Trump is the former of the destructor that the Republican base is chosing for the establishment and it will be just as messy.

Blogger VD February 23, 2016 5:10 AM  

Would you be tempted to back Ted?

No, not until he starts talking about turning back the tide of LEGAL immigration. Hiding behind ILLEGAL immigration has been the hallmark of the Republican who doesn't actually want to do anything about it. Their catchphrase is "it's not the immigration, it's the ILLEGAL immigration".

Which is ridiculous, the problem is immigration per se, the legality or illegality is irrelevant.

Blogger SciVo February 23, 2016 5:10 AM  

Trump is the only one talking about a wall, talking about stopping Muslim immigration, and even talking about deportations.

FWIW, Cruz is talking about deportations. He's also talking about finishing the wall, pausing legal immigration and ending birthright citizenship. Who knows if he'd actually do it either, but at least he's making the right noises.

Blogger haus frau February 23, 2016 5:10 AM  

Conservatives keep screaming that Trump isn't a conservative. They point out things like his support of planned parenthood and eminent domain rulings and yet, these things happened under the watch of conservative politicians. The kelo decision happened during the bush administration and I believe, was voted in by at least one conservative appointed justice. Of course we all know about the most recent occasion congress caved on planned parent hood last December. Conservatives have conserved nothing and have yet to catch onto the fact that the public is noticing. I keep thinking about Jeb! whining that Trump isn't conservative. Crying conservatism is now a joke on jeb and his kind. Their brand has no meaning with the phblic.
I watched the establishment faction purposely run down the clock and steal ballot boxes to block ron paul delegates at the 2012 oregon republican convention. They richly deservery trump. When I think of Trump Im reminded of the scene in Ghostbusters where the evil spirit tells the Ghostbusters to chose the formation of their "destructor" and they end up fighting the stay puff marshmallow man. Trump is the former of the destructor that the Republican base is chosing for the establishment and it will be just as messy.

Blogger SciVo February 23, 2016 5:12 AM  

Oops, I misread it. Cruz would halt increases in legal immigration. My bad!

Anonymous grey enlightenment February 23, 2016 5:15 AM  

Trump may be a Conservative socialist. The right's answer to European liberal socialism.

Blogger SteelPalm February 23, 2016 5:20 AM  

I completely, utterly agree with Vox's analysis. And completely agree with him about Trump.

However, I must note that Trump recently toyed with the idea of amnesty and claimed he would let those "who work hard stay".

In that sense, Trump is weaker on immigration than Cruz is. Cruz has called for building a wall, getting rid of anchor babies, and MASS deportations.

Cruz said all this before Trump was encouraged by Bill Clinton to run in the primary. He just hasn't gotten as much press for it.

And yes, Cruz is a Canadian and Cuban. So what? Vox is part Native American, Hispanic, and lives in Italy.

Ironically, it's sometimes immigrants who are the most hardcore nationalists.

Stalin, for instance, was Georgian, not Russian.

Blogger VD February 23, 2016 5:21 AM  

Who knows if he'd actually do it either, but at least he's making the right noises.

Yes, but the only reason he is doing so is because Trump gained tremendous traction by doing so in the first place. Also, Canadian.

I don't trust immigrants on immigration. Not one little bit. They always personalize it.

Blogger John M February 23, 2016 5:22 AM  

Conservatives keep screaming that Trump isn't a conservative. They don't understand that the phase "conservative" has lost its meaning a long time ago and only an idiot would care more about being a conservative than in making America great again. I will never vote for Cruz as long as he's a conservative because all conservatives are cuckservatives, no exceptions.

Blogger SteelPalm February 23, 2016 5:29 AM  

@11

"I don't trust immigrants on immigration. Not one little bit. They always personalize it."

The vast majority of the time, yes. But there are exceptions. Just like Trump is himself an exception.

Incidentally, I hate that so many think of Cruz as just a conservative. He plays the political game brilliantly (as well as the equally brilliant Trump, albeit with less charisma than The Donald), is far more of a nationalist than he gets credit for, and has shown a desire and aptitude at playing dirty.

That's an invaluable ability in the present sociopolitical climate.

Outwardly, Cruz might say all the standard conservative fluff we're used to, albeit with a focus on nationalism and Christianity that makes all the cucks in Congress hate him.

But deep down, I suspect he has a lot more in common with the people in these comments than you realize. Why?

Because if I had to win popular office and thus had to hide my true beliefs, I would probably do exactly what he has.

Blogger Rantor February 23, 2016 5:45 AM  

Sarah's comments are not quite right. A democratic socialist would not promise to return schools to local control and rid us of common core. Also they are almost all very pro immigration. Trump has talked about many of the things that need to be done to fix medicine in America including the most important points: competition in insurance, catastrophic coverage with HSAs, competition in the drug industry, etc. He has not talked about competition among medical providers and the posting of prices... but that would be in line with the rest of it. I think his talking about letting no one die in the street is both earnest and a form of innoculation - because every Dem argues that Republican healthcare reform will result in poor people dying.

I also understand his desire for the mandate, I don't agree with it. Theoretically if everyone must be covered, costs are driven down as they are shared by a larger pool. In reality whenever gov't demands complete coverage costs go up and the consumer loses choices.

As for immigration, I was once told that my county alone has over a thousand MS-13 gangsters in jail. There are tens of thousands of them in the US. We need to send them home, along with the thousands of other dangerous illegals. If Trump built the wall and just deported all of the dangerous illegals and required citizen ID for voting, that would be a monumental improvement. If he got rid of an additional 500,000 a year, I would vote for his face to be added to Mt Rushmore.

Blogger Jew613 February 23, 2016 5:46 AM  

Sarah's refusal to link to vox day or even name the blog came off like a sjw unpersoning. It was weird.

Blogger John M February 23, 2016 5:47 AM  

@13 If Cruz "plays the political game brilliantly" then why the hell did he just sack his communications director? Say anything you want about Trump but the manner he handed his team and his campaign is more than enough evidence that he has what it takes to be a good president. He'll get the right guys to run the country, something I am not convinced Cruz is capable of doing.

Anonymous tublecane February 23, 2016 5:47 AM  

I find the European Right versus American Right distinction spurious. Thing is, right and left are relative terms. It depends on what you're to the right of, whether it be over here or over there.

Anonymous tublecane February 23, 2016 6:08 AM  

Trump is confounding the chattering class and the hack ideologues because they're stuck in an Age of Ideas. Trump is like Henry Adams' Teddy Roosevelt: pure act. (Okay, maybe not pure, but neither was TR; that guy actually wrote his own history books, and people still read them occasionally.) He's not an idea guy, so he can appear to be far right to the progressives and the wrong side of centrist if not actual socialist to conservatives.

Personally, I think he's to the right of Washington, but not by much and not consistently. He might be to the left of what people call conservatism, at least on some issues, but isn't to the left of the actual Republican party (aka the Stupid Party to the Democrats' Evil Party).

Blogger Salt February 23, 2016 6:25 AM  

at this point, he is the only possible candidate.

Guess so, as the GOPe sure ain't gonna bollix it up with a Draft Ron Paul campaign.

Blogger SciVo February 23, 2016 6:28 AM  

So, the most interesting question to me at this point is who can get state delegate majorities from now through Super Tuesday. It takes eight to be presented as a candidate at the Republican national convention this time around, and Trump has one from sweeping South Carolina's delegates. No one else has any.

[Bottom line: I expect Cruz to get a large delegate majority in Texas, while Trump gets majorities in Vermont, Georgia, Tennessee, and either Alabama or Massachusetts.]

Nevada is a poor candidate, because it's strictly proportional.

Alabama is interesting, because it has a 20% inclusion threshold. If only one candidate gets over 20% statewide then he gets all 29 at-large delegates. That right there would be enough to win the state, but if more than breaks 20% in a congressional district, then #1 gets two delegates and #2 gets one; with seven CDs, if the same guy won each CD, then he'd get 14 delegates plus his proportion of the at-large 29, so he would need to get 11 from that to get half the 50 delegates overall, so he would need to break 38%. Which is exactly what Trump did in the August and September polls, so as far as we know it's a coin flip.

Massachusetts is also a coin flip, even though it's proportional with a 5% threshold, simply because the last poll put Trump at 50%. So he could actually get a majority of the vote there outright.

Alaska has a low 13% inclusion threshold, Minnesota's is only 10%, and Virginia doesn't have any. Unlikely to make a difference for anyone.

Texas is interesting because 108 of 155 delegates are from its 36 congressional districts, where as long as someone meets the 20% threshold, #1 gets two delegates and #2 gets one. Cruz could snag 72 delegates there before even counting his share of the at-large 47, which would be 26 going by the last poll, for 98 total and his first state majority of eight needed.

Vermont would be very uninteresting indeed, with its statewide proportional allocation, except that it has a 20% threshold and so far Trump is the only one polling higher than that. It looks like he will either sweep its 16 delegates or maybe share some with Rubio, getting another state delegate majority either way.

Although Arkansas and Oklahoma have a 15% threshold and 2 delegates for the #1 in each CD, they don't have many CDs, so it would be hard for anyone to get a majority if three qualify (and they probably will).

Georgia and Tennessee have a 20% threshold, 2 delegates for the #1 in each CD, and enough CDs that if someone sweeps them, it's pretty likely that he'll walk away with a majority of the delegates from that state.

[Resources: Contest rules from The Green Papers, supplemented by Wikipedia; with primary polling and a supplementary calendar from RealClearPolitics.]

Anonymous Steve February 23, 2016 6:28 AM  

I tried reading Sarah's blog, I really tried.

But I'm a busy man. If somebody doesn't get to the point quick, I sense there isn't one and move on.

Terribly unfair to those with lexical dysentry, I know.

So all I got was... something about bells and ropes and blogs that shall not be named.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Anonymous Bobby Farr February 23, 2016 6:30 AM  

The options are on one side a WASP who claims he will build a wall, enforce immigration laws and ban Muslim immigrants. On the other side are two foreigners. Rubio who is openly anti-native and Cruz who is at best an opportunistic Trump imitation on the immigration issue. I don't see how there is even a question in the mind of anyone on the right re who to vote for. The only exceptions I can think of are the Magic Dirters, establishment cucks who think liberal Bush Republicans are more electable, or people who have given up and don't intend to vote. Otherwise, the anti-Trump people must follow some version of "conservatism" that is so culturally neutral that it can survive the complete displacement of the natives.

Immigration is the only issue.

Anonymous PhillipGeorge February 23, 2016 6:32 AM  

The 4eFs sake 60 million, billion or trillion dollar question is can any Stockholm syndrome nation ever shake off the 1 billion non metaphorical 600 lb gorillas with the guns pointed at their heads that say Islam is just like Christianity.

Trump's immigration stands or falls on just one question. Can it even be put in print in "enlightenment" senile dementia circles. The "enlightenment's" lights have all gone out.

February 23, 2016 6:29 AM

Anonymous Weak February 23, 2016 6:41 AM  

I call bullshit on Trump apologizing for putting his shoe on your shoulder. As we all know, Trump never apologizes.

Blogger VD February 23, 2016 6:53 AM  

I call bullshit on Trump apologizing for putting his shoe on your shoulder. As we all know, Trump never apologizes.

He didn't put it on my shoulder. He crossed his legs, his shoe came near my shoulder and thereby drew my attention in my peripheral vision. I glanced back, did a double-take, and laughed. He grinned, leaned forward, patted my shoulder, and said "hey, sorry about that".

Anonymous paradox February 23, 2016 6:54 AM  

Vox

Also, Canadian


That's not as bad as Cruz's unwavering cuck loyalty to Israel. Which would put Israeli interest above American.

Anonymous Red February 23, 2016 7:01 AM  

If Cruz had said he was going stop all Muslim imigration and travel before Trump he would be out of the race right now, because racism. He has no ability to break political correctness. He always waits for Trump to charge through the gates, slay the dragon and the. poke the dead dragon with a stick after its safe.

Blogger Emmett Fitz-Hume February 23, 2016 7:02 AM  

@21

I agree. I got two paragraphs in and left. Just get to the damn point already.

@15

It was very SJW, wasn't it? I half expected a trigger warning.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan February 23, 2016 7:02 AM  

Who she is virtue signaling to is my take away

Blogger Michael O'Duibhir February 23, 2016 7:04 AM  

Trump is Caesar. If he were elected President he would begin consolidating his power with a vengeance never before seen in this nation's history. Were it possible--I only say "possible," but remember: politics is the art of the possible--he would consolidate to the point that he would remain in office for the rest of his life. All of the candidates would like to do that, of course, but Trump is the only one capable of pulling such a thing off. This is what we've come to now in these United States of America, IMHO. Just look at the poor saps who are fawning over Trump. Who can really blame them? They are rightly desperate to install someone in the White House who will be on their side and right the wrongs in this nation. Trump is telling them what they want to hear, as are the other candidates. The difference between Trump and the others is that Trump is seen as a successful, no BS, self-funded outsider--an "outsider" to all but those who are insiders.
There is nothing said by Trump or any of the other candidates that is not solely aimed at the election. They are all disingenuous. They are all examples of the same old set of political hacks, who are embedded in the same old rotten political system, that we see shmoozing the electorate every four years. And every four years they offer prescriptions, based on the results of analyses of that electorate, that purport to solve all of the problems besetting the nation. Once elected, of course, they change their colors and noticeably begin doing things quite at variance with what they promised to do--noticeably, that is, to anyone who is taking a serious look. Problem is, an exceedingly tiny sliver of the electorate is bothering to take a look. So, the whole thing keeps recurring ad nauseam, and it will probably take a catastrophic house cleaning to wake people up. But by then it will probably be too late.

Blogger Stilicho February 23, 2016 7:05 AM  

It's interesting to hear cuckservatives like The Gay Mustache talk about Trump: he would abandon any conservative principle that he has ever held or pretended to hold in order to keep the border open and invaders coming in. He is frightened to his gooey, marshmallow core that Trump means what he says about immigration. Immigration has become the easiest way to expose rabbits pretending to be wolves: ask someone what they think of immigration and their answer will tell you all you need to know about their politics and personality.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan February 23, 2016 7:06 AM  

Go with #28 PC has to die, by my count we have done 24 years of neurotic female politics and look we have gone from "I feel your pain" to Lena Dunham fat whore "I am pain."

Dare I say this but it is the year of the Shitlord and the year the gals get the tingles because they got slapped on the fanny bent over and stuffed good, real good and loved it.

Blogger Orville February 23, 2016 7:12 AM  

Check Zerohedge. There is an article there saying the Republican billionaires gave more to Hillary than they did the top 60% of the Republican presidential candidates.

Blogger tz February 23, 2016 7:12 AM  

Glenn Beck compares Trump to Robespierre. As long as he guillotines McConnell and Ryan, I'm cool with it.
His 10/22/15 broadcast (on Soundcloud) was about the betrayal of the freedom caucus after Boehnior when Paul Ryan was picked. For about an hour he goes on about how the GOP will be destroyed and Trump will win if Ryan became speaker (and would do something like the Omnibus).
Prophetic.

Blogger Emmett Fitz-Hume February 23, 2016 7:21 AM  

OT (mostly), but Fox News is pushing Rubio HARD right now. Three guests in a row. And airing his commercials constantly.

Jeb! dropping out has opened up the floodgates.

Anonymous NorthernHamlet February 23, 2016 7:22 AM  

VD,

I'm glad you posted this. From the outside, it's hard to realize and grasp how connected everyone probably is, even if you're aware it might be the case.

I'm still concerned about that phone call Trump and Hilly had right before he started his campaign. Any insight there?

Anonymous Jay Will February 23, 2016 7:29 AM  

Cruz is a globalist. If he's in with the bankers then the agenda is choclifying the human race into universal progressive clones, with them as trillionaire overlords.

Trump can't be in with them they hate him too much.

Blogger David Power February 23, 2016 7:29 AM  

As a Brit following this election from across the pond, I am finding the cognitive dissonance Trump's continued success is causing among our Blame-Stream Churnalists, quite exquisite to observe. 99% of their coverage is devoted to informing us that he is unelectable and the other 1% is spent informing us that he is leading every poll.

By far the biggest culprit is the now overrun by leftist and radical feminists BBC, which has completely given up all pretence at impartiality, and is now openly conducting an increasingly vicious anti-Trump propaganda campaign. A campaign which is now bordering on hysteria.

Mass-media-hysteria!

Anonymous roo_ster February 23, 2016 7:32 AM  

Why would she be afraid to use vd's handle? That is odd behavior for an ally.

Anonymous NorthernHamlet February 23, 2016 7:37 AM  

Why would she be afraid to use vd's handle?

Fear of conjuring. Very common concern.

Anonymous Anonymous February 23, 2016 7:38 AM  

@38 "Why would she be afraid to use vd's handle? That is odd behavior for an ally."

Because she can't argue her position anymore than she already has. Read through the comments several times someone makes a good point challenging her assertions and she replies with an ad homninem fallacy.

- MT

Anonymous Millenium February 23, 2016 7:39 AM  

Ted Cruz is all talk but when he has to actually do something he scurries away with his tail between his legs like a good cuck.

His history in the Senate is getting behind obvious lost causes so he can look good to his constituents. When he actually has to take a stand that is not a complete lost that, a stand that would have consequences, he tucked tail and ran; he was conspicuously absent when the senate was voting on a bill to audit the fed. Imagine how much trouble little cuck Cruz would have been in for going against his bankster masters.

Cruz is an alternative for good cucks who don't want to support the establishment but also don't want to be called racist by the left.

@34: Fox News is majority owned by the Saudis.

@35: 'Hi Hilldawg, its the Donald. The Trump train is coming for your wrinkly ass."

@37: Just hold on a little while longer old chap. After Trump makes america great again he can annex Britain and deport all your muslims too.

BTW Trump is an obvious Nationalist. And as Sarah informs us he is a Democratic Socialist. That would make him a Democratic Socialist Nationalist. O Vey.

Blogger Salt February 23, 2016 8:10 AM  

This means I’m WAY behind, and won’t have time to deal with incoming.

Steve wrote:I tried reading Sarah's blog, I really tried.

So all I got was... something about bells and ropes and blogs that shall not be named.


I enjoy some of her posts. She says she's moving. Could have packed two rooms in the time it took to write all that. Might have found the bells and ropes too.

Sarah is but another who thinks they get it. But what Sarah fails to understand is that she is no more American than I am Portuguese. Even I have some, or would that be enough, recent, early 1900s, immigration in my lineage to cast some suspicion upon myself.

Sarah, get over yourself. It's quite evident, you really don't get it.

Blogger 1337kestrel February 23, 2016 8:11 AM  

Plenty of Republicans have talked about walls and deportations. FWIW, there are some walls on the border. It's just that those Republicans are either nobodies or cowards who cave in at the first opportunity.

Cruz has shown he'd rather go the extremist route. Ego? Political gain? I hope it's because he's really a rigid ideologue.

I like Trump too, but it's absurd to pretend he's the only anti-immigrationist or that he's more sincere about it. If you support him over Cruz it has to be about electability and organizational skills.

Blogger 1337kestrel February 23, 2016 8:13 AM  

Also, America IS now a propositional organization of immigrants... That's why it's unstable.

Blogger Student in Blue February 23, 2016 8:13 AM  

Jew613 wrote:Sarah's refusal to link to vox day or even name the blog came off like a sjw unpersoning. It was weird.
There's another blog that she's apparently been having problems with that's not VD's blog, and I think that's the one she's referring to.

That's just my best guess however. It's some neo-reactionary blog, with literally "neoreactionary" in the URL.

Blogger Steffen February 23, 2016 8:13 AM  

I got the impression Sarah Hoyt's blog community avoids mentioning VD mostly due to the increased likelihood of thread derailment.

Blogger Student in Blue February 23, 2016 8:16 AM  

@42. 1337kestrel
I like Trump too, but it's absurd to pretend he's the only anti-immigrationist or that he's more sincere about it. If you support him over Cruz it has to be about electability and organizational skills.
Isn't Cruz basically a globalist however? It's absurd to think a globalist is ever going to be someone who ever turns down the tap on legal immigration -- it's practically part of globalist dogma.

Blogger Salt February 23, 2016 8:18 AM  

Student in Blue wrote:That's just my best guess however. It's some neo-reactionary blog, with literally "neoreactionary" in the URL.

Nope. Look at it. It's her way of using the backdoor to Vox.

Blogger Jack Ward February 23, 2016 8:23 AM  

@15 I was wondering; are we talking about the same Sarah here? Went over to her site and checked. No Vox link, that I could see with a quick look.
I guess the shine has came off. I remember, not so many years ago, when she was super thrilled that Vox had mentioned and linked to her. Maybe some thin skin here? Don't know. That won't keep me away from her site or Mad Genius place.
Just sad, if true.

Blogger Lovekraft February 23, 2016 8:25 AM  

I have noticed that the evolution of terminology regarding our 'movement' is constantly in flux. The mrm gained prominence with A Voice for Men (even though Price's Spearhead preceeded it) and then there was Roosh, Heartiste and Vox.

MGTOW, MRA, MHRA, alt-right, libertarian, nationalist, conservative. In-fighting is breaking these into antagonistic camps (pro-white vs pro-ideals, cultural liberals vs capitalists etc). Not sure how it is going to end up.

This could be a critical time where key proponents of this movement get co-opted as they increase in influence (am observing ROK to see where Roosh stands) and the true fighters become demonized.

My proposal is this: since TPTB are immensely influential, nothing we do will meet their approval (not that we want it anyway). No, we should serve as a deterrent against being the scapegoat which is what sjw-ism is essentially about. I will always argue for this principle and not care about minor ideological differences.

Our core beliefs are that lgbt, feminism, globalism, immigration (unvetted and in corp interests) are CONTRARY to our bests interests and are to be opposed.

Blogger VD February 23, 2016 8:28 AM  

Some clarification is necessary. Sarah is not unpersoning me. Nor is she an ally in the sense of Cernovich, Milo, and others. Although we disagree on many things, we have civil relations, but she and the rest of the Mad Genius Club had some serious problems with Andrew Marston haunting their blogs whenever I was mentioned by name.

That is why she makes a habit of not mentioning me by name. I have no problem with that, nor should anyone criticize her for it.

Blogger Jack Ward February 23, 2016 8:32 AM  

@20
yeah, i live in al and, after getting a sample ballot and seeing crap I've never seen before, need to go to the courthouse and ask WTF? This on the Repub ballot. I could care less what the idiot dems do. I suspect the Alabama Republican group has been at it making new rules again. Fools. I don't even consider meself an R anymore. But, to vote in the primary you have to declare one or the other. And, I am very unhappy with my first term rep. [6th.]
Guess this puts me higher up on the watch list. I think they built one of those fema camps over near Attalla. Highly suspicious since, while driving around over there a few years ago, the bored looking cop camped out at the access road, and I do mean camped, he was in a T shirt and had a tent and all, no chit, would not admit anything about what all the clouds of dust in the distance meant. Didn't take a genius to figure that one.

Blogger Student in Blue February 23, 2016 8:34 AM  

@49. Lovekraft
MGTOW, MRA, MHRA, alt-right, libertarian, nationalist, conservative. In-fighting is breaking these into antagonistic camps (pro-white vs pro-ideals, cultural liberals vs capitalists etc). Not sure how it is going to end up.

This in-fighting is due to 'moderates' firing on anyone to the right of them. It's also why Vox has basically said conservatives are useless.

Anonymous Til February 23, 2016 8:43 AM  

Trump is the one who took the initial bullets for his positions.

Cruz comes across as an extremely slazy opportunist. Combine that with his ultra shady Applied Memetics gman political hatchet guy, his dirty election tricks (anyone seen sleazy mailers from Trump?), and his Goldman VP wife and you'd have to be insane to think he's real.

He is probably controlled opposition. He even sounds like a caricature of what progs think the knuckle draggers want when he starts speaking in tongues.

I'll take the man who dropped his balls on the table and took the bullets for forcefully changing the narrative.

THAT is what we need. He's already shifted the narrative. He's done more already than Bush accomplished in 8 actual years.

Blogger David Power February 23, 2016 8:53 AM  




I haven't managed to read Cuckservative yet, but it's next on the list after I finish Otto Weininger's - Sex and Character.

But for me, the greatest and most catastrophic cuckoldry in the history of the modern world, has been that of the American electorate, by its political class of both hues, for a small otherwise insignificant middle eastern state in a far corner of the Mediterranean.

Can anyone tell me if a 'President Trump' will be capable of, or even incentivised to, breaking the death grip the pro-Israeli Lobby has had on the American democratic process for over half a century now?

[ Sex and Culture, pdf... http://www.theabsolute.net/ottow/sexcharh.html#mf ]



Blogger James Dixon February 23, 2016 8:57 AM  

> If you support him over Cruz it has to be about electability and organizational skills.

Natural born citizen = born on US soil to US citizens. As far as I know, that was and is the definition the Constitution meant. I'm willing to admit that I could be wrong, but I've never seen an convincing argument otherwise (most of the counter arguments I've seen claim the US soil part isn't necessary, but I don't find them convincing). Cruz wasn't born in the US.

That won't stop me from voting for him if he wins the nomination, but I won't vote for him in the primaries.

Anonymous farmer Tom February 23, 2016 9:05 AM  

Just for the record. I heard Cruz say, at an event more than a year ago, late in January last year, that we must follow the current laws on immigration, (including deporting all those here illegally)at an event I attended.

He is NOT "johnny come lately" to the issue.

I watched him tell a young Hispanic female, that the Law requires her to be sent back to her home country. He got booed for saying it, but that has been his position for a long time.

What does that matter thought, GOLDMAN SACKS!!!!!!

Anonymous karsten February 23, 2016 9:05 AM  

"That's not as bad as Cruz's unwavering cuck loyalty to Israel. Which would put Israeli interest above American."

EXACTLY.

Blogger Josh February 23, 2016 9:09 AM  


No, not until he starts talking about turning back the tide of LEGAL immigration. Hiding behind ILLEGAL immigration has been the hallmark of the Republican who doesn't actually want to do anything about it. Their catchphrase is "it's not the immigration, it's the ILLEGAL immigration".


Trump does the exact same thing.

Blogger Zaklog the Great February 23, 2016 9:14 AM  

which immigration advocates hell-bent on replacing Americans with immigrants like Sarah herself

Unfortunately, no. If they were intent upon bringing into our country millions of immigrants who thought like Sarah, I wouldn't be fighting this so hard. Instead, they want to bring in more socialists and dependents.

Blogger Student in Blue February 23, 2016 9:16 AM  

@Til
He is probably controlled opposition. He even sounds like a caricature of what progs think the knuckle draggers want when he starts speaking in tongues.
You're failing to account that he may genuinely be an outsider. He can be an outsider to the GOP establishment and still be everything else you listed.

For what it's worth, he comes across to me as just wanting power for himself, and doesn't want to spend the years pumping the political machine to eventually get his payout so he's gunning from the outside. To do that he still needs to make ties with entities like Goldman because he doesn't have his own money.

I believe what farmer Tom said is true as well, that Cruz *has* talked about immigration before Trump shifted the window. He's taken his share of blows.

OpenID b1bae96e-6447-11e3-b6bb-000f20980440 February 23, 2016 9:18 AM  

Trump is a worthy compromise. Secure the borders, don't get us into WW3, bring manufacturing home and make the US more anti-fragile. It will reduce reliance on the social safety net too as long as you don't allow hordes of people to come in and drive wages down.

If you aren't willing to let people die in the street (and there is no evidence people are interested in giving ER's the right to refuse treatment) then you need a mandate, at least with respects to emergency services. Its not Constitutional (at least not at the federal level however) which makes it a beach to die on for "true" conservatives.

I think the abortion industry is on its way out anyway. Its funny watching the pro-abortion groups line up against designer babies. If the sack of cells has no agency to the extent you can destroy it, then certainly anything short of that is possible.

As for the Gays+, doctors will rediscover its a mental illness or a coping mechanism for sexual trauma within a couple generations.

Anonymous Athor Pel February 23, 2016 9:20 AM  

The thing that sticks out to me is just how much fear Trump generates in some people. I've never seen so much so vehemently expressed by so many.

The most surprising in their fear are the Ilk that disparage Trump as if they are getting triggered. The next surprise for me are the foreigners that don't even live here doing the same thing.

Right now we have a marxist sub-rosa-muslim Kenyan president openly advocating and enacting policies that damage America. He's hands down the worst president this country has ever had...

and you're afraid of Trump?

WTH

Blogger Respect Orcs Now February 23, 2016 9:23 AM  

"Even the famous "melting pot"..." - I remember as a wee lad in the Canadian public school system being taught about the 'melting pot' approach of the US to the 'multicultural' approach of Canada. The teacher let us all know that she thought the multicultural approach was much better with that smug attitude 'we' Canadians have to the USA because it is the primary way we can define our culture (i.e. not-American). We were much 'richer' for it she waxed philosopically (we lived in a 99%+ white area so popping into the city for a knock off curry probably was the highlight of her week).

Fast forward to adulthood and my thought is: America might want to turn up the heat on the melting pot - the incredients are all clumping together.

Here in Canada the tax payer funded invasion is well underfoot. The orcs were to either be privately funded by citizens / charity groups (the Churchians sprung into pious action) or the government. The privately funded ones thought far enough ahead to get a plane ticket and some accomodations but not apparently not far enough to figure out how to feed their new pet Orcs.

Now our virtuous sponsers have seemingly bored of them because our local food banks have taken on 500 new clients, over half of whom cannot speak English. They are looking for volunteers who speak Arabic! Presumably to warn them away from products that contant pork. They had a token bilingual candidate on who wants to feed his brood and he was eloquently saying "Free food", "I love Canada". Tugs at the heartstrings doesn't it?

There was non of the requisite shame that goes hand in hand with keeping food bank usage to those who absolutely need it, so I expect they'll be bumming for more soon enough.

Our public school system seems to think that the Swedish or German model of throwing Orcs into the pool and seeing who sinks or swims is the way forward. A teacher we know has 2 Orcs in her class that speak neither English nor French. Somehow she is expected to teach them english, reading, writing and basic math in the next 4 months.

Another class has an 7 year old Orc who has never been to school before put in with his peers... in the Primary class. If you have children you will know the development between ages 5 and 7 is huge. The 5 year olds can count, read a smidge and write their names (it is public school after all). The Orc cannot speak English, and yet the teacher is expected to teach them the basic curriculum.

Ah well, it is the public school system so they just have a new low to cater to I suppose. It's not like they can fail kids anymore.

Anonymous farmer Tom February 23, 2016 9:26 AM  

Just in case all of you fools going down on Trump over his immigration policy missed it, maybe you ought to read this again, I've posted it before, but comprehension hard.

Trump favors touch back amnesty

Blogger Marie February 23, 2016 9:27 AM  

"Unfortunately, no. If they were intent upon bringing into our country millions of immigrants who thought like Sarah, I wouldn't be fighting this so hard."

I would be. From reading her blog Sarah is a lot like my Canadian-born mother-in-law. Sarah has a level of arrogance that she is one of the few who can see through the smoke-and-mirrors and correctly interpret the tea leaves. The rest of us are good-nature morons.

I never thought that was true. But I've met a lot of immigrants over the last decade and almost all of them believed they understood America better than Americans. That belief meant they stopped listening to Americans or learning from them. Which then leads to a "I-know-better-than-you" approach to politics.

Doesn't matter if they are on the right or the left. The results appear to be the same.

Blogger Blackburn #0040 February 23, 2016 9:37 AM  

VD wrote:I call bullshit on Trump apologizing for putting his shoe on your shoulder. As we all know, Trump never apologizes.

He didn't put it on my shoulder. He crossed his legs, his shoe came near my shoulder and thereby drew my attention in my peripheral vision. I glanced back, did a double-take, and laughed. He grinned, leaned forward, patted my shoulder, and said "hey, sorry about that".


Was this Mohawk Vox days? Trump apologizing to Mohawk Vox > Flaming Sword Vox

Blogger Salt February 23, 2016 9:39 AM  

@65 Marie, well stated. People like Sarah have the good feelz, they feel it, the magic dirt and all. People like Sarah, if kept to a small minority, appear to have the desire to be on the road to understanding what being American is. Unfortunately, she thinks she already knows.

Blogger Josh February 23, 2016 9:42 AM  

"That's not as bad as Cruz's unwavering cuck loyalty to Israel. Which would put Israeli interest above American."

EXACTLY.


http://www.breitbart.com/video/2016/02/23/trump-israel-is-victim-in-conflict-with-palestine-if-attacked-100-id-come-to-their-defense/

Blogger Student in Blue February 23, 2016 9:45 AM  

@farmer Tom
Just in case all of you fools going down on Trump over his immigration policy missed it, maybe you ought to read this again, I've posted it before, but comprehension hard.

Trump favors touch back amnesty


Newsweek has problems with reading comprehension.

"Under Trump’s immigration plan, almost all of the 11 million illegal aliens will get to return and get permanent legal status to stay in America, the author writes."

Here's what Trump said:

“Legal status,” Trump suggested. “We got to move ’em out, we’re going to move ’em back in if they’re really good people.”

Sounds more like "if they would have gotten in regardless then we'll let them back in and not shut them out permanently". Newsweek instead equates every single 11 million as "really good people" so OF COURSE they'll all get in!

This is, of course, not the ideal position on immigration, but it's not what Newsweek makes it out to be.

Blogger praetorian February 23, 2016 9:54 AM  

He isn't an ideal candidate, he probably isn't even a good candidate, and he certainly isn't a trustworthy candidate, but nevertheless, at this point, he is the only possible candidate.

"I don't expect you to agree with me. I don't even expect you to understand."

You are casting bacon before pretty rocks, Vox.

Blogger pyrrhus February 23, 2016 9:54 AM  

@65 Sarah is living proof that you can take people out of Europe, but you can't take the European cultural marxism out of the people....

Blogger Josh February 23, 2016 9:55 AM  

You are casting bacon before pretty rocks, Vox.

Are those the same rocks we get bacon from?

Blogger CCubed February 23, 2016 9:56 AM  

@29 "Trump is Caesar"

Trump may well be Caesar.

Caesar (and Sulla, Marius, & the Gracchi) were symptoms, not causes, of the ending of the Roman Republic. The people were no longer made up of yeoman farmers that shared notions of what is good in life. Rome NEEDED someone to change the form of government to fit the new character of those being governed.

Did Caesar's nephew Octavian do a better job than Caesar himself would have if he'd dodged the assassination? I don't know, but they had about 15 years more of civil war to get there.

Blogger praetorian February 23, 2016 10:01 AM  

Japan is weird, Josh.

Blogger Josh February 23, 2016 10:09 AM  

Check out the latest immigration grades on Numbers USA:

https://www.numbersusa.com/content/elections/races/presidential/2016-presidential-hopefuls.html

Blogger jmarinara February 23, 2016 10:09 AM  

Vox...


"Trump is the only one talking about a wall, talking about stopping Muslim immigration, and even talking about deportations."

That is just plain not true. Admittedly, Trump postures as being the hardest of the hardliners, but in reality, he's more or less the same on these issues as Cruz. Both will build the wall, both will deport illegals (one with deport squads, one through normal means not currently used), and both are on record as wanting to put a complete end to Islamic immigration.

Do you prefer Trump because he's more bombastic about the same things? I hope not. To be charitable, I'll assume you take him as being the only guy who is serious about these things. But Vox, how can you trust him here when he changes his positions on everything when he changes his socks? Do you think he's less compromising than Cruz? How so when both men pledge to allow deported illegals to reapply to come back in? Is it Cruz's support for Israel? Where has Trump demonstrated an anti-Israel stance and if he did, how can he be trusted?


"And that, I strongly suspect, is the real fear of Trump opponents like Sarah."

I can't speak for Sarah, but my fear isn't that Trump will follow through with his immigration threats... I hope he does! My fear is that he'll also follow through on his threats to replace Obamacare with something worse. Or follow through with his threat to strengthen the NSA to spy on more Americans in more ways. Or his threats to hunt down and destroy his enemies who disagree with him. I fear he won't end abortion. I fear he'll appoint his sister to SCOTUS. I fear he'll govern like Bill Clinton and Barrack Obama, only without an opposition (however mild) congress.

It's like you said
"He isn't an ideal candidate, he probably isn't even a good candidate, and he certainly isn't a trustworthy candidate..."

but because you've become convinced that the illegals have to go, that we have to protect our culture (and we most certainly do), you're willing to hand the country over to someone who will protect the culture, purify the population, and then remake it in the image of Hobbes, Keynes, Krugman, and Clinton. You're effectively willing to get 0-10% on all the rest of your issues to get 100%... maybe... on your most important issue. All because you're convinced that it is all that matters. My friend, if racial and cultural purity come at the cost of making the pure culture like the rest of the savage world, it is only logical to conclude that it is not the only issue that matters.

And all the while there is someone who will give you 90% of your most important issue, and 90% of the rest of your pet issues too. Be the economist you are, weigh the cost and benefits. Get off the Donald Trump bandwagon.

Blogger bob k. mando February 23, 2016 10:11 AM  

15. Jew613 February 23, 2016 5:46 AM
Sarah's refusal to link to vox day or even name the blog came off like a sjw unpersoning. It was weird.



if you notice, Sarah also did the "point and shriek" thing when i showed up as well as flagrantly lying about strawman concoctions of her own imagination.

as i've pointed out about Taylor repeatedly, these are tactics, NOT ideological positions. and they are to be found amongst some of those who are nominally on our side of the debate.

*not a single person* in that thread, beginning with Sarah herself, has attempted to refute a single fact i've cited or attempted to refute any syllogism.

ALL of their counter 'arguments' are that what i'm saying isn't sufficiently polite or demands that *i* provide ever more documentary evidence.

these are not honorable people.

the facts are not the facts because i kiss the right asses. reality is not reality because they've got rose colored glasses on. one of us is right and one of us is of the "none so blind as those who will not see" school.



28. Mr.MantraMan February 23, 2016 7:02 AM
Who she is virtue signaling to is my take away




Glen Reynolds.

i had no idea that she supposedly works for him. so, when i cited Dr. Helen's article, i had no idea that i was actually facing her off against her boss's wife.

it's irrelevant though.

according to Sarah, i'm supposed to believe that Ann Coulter, Sarah Palin, Rush Limbaugh and all of his listeners and God knows who else are, you know, retards who don't actually grasp what Trump is.

even as they, AND TRUMP, all talk about Trump's Dem crossover and minority appeal putting solid Dem states back into play on the electoral map. dur hur.

the whole premise is retarded and comes straight from Glenn Beck's nobgobbling of Ted Cruz.

just for the record:
if Trump gets the Republican nomination, i'm not going to vote for him.

not because i'm against him.

but because if he can pull 25% of the Black vote he won't need any help in my state.

Cruz and Paul are the only other candidates i would even consider voting for. as i've noted, Cruz doesn't qualify to the Brit / French Common Law definitions ( that is, the sane definitions ) of Natural Born Citizen while Rand has zero chance and already suspended his campaign.



29. Michael O'Duibhir February 23, 2016 7:04 AM
Trump is Caesar. If he were elected President he would begin consolidating his power with a vengeance never before seen in this nation's history. ...he would consolidate to the point that he would remain in office for the rest of his life.



*facepalm*

you know, you forgot to finish your litany of Trump's sins. you forgot to accuse him of being the AntiChrist and you forgot to numerologically demonstrate how his name converts to "666".



55. James Dixon February 23, 2016 8:57 AM
Natural born citizen = born on US soil to US citizens. As far as I know, that was and is the definition the Constitution meant.



the 1790 Naturalization Act defines it otherwise.

the 1790 Naturalization Act was validly passed into law, and almost all of the votes came from actual Founding Fathers. Washington was the president, it was his 2nd year in office.

the 1790 Act defines NBC as having one US citizen parent AND the father having been a US resident ( not citizen ) prior to the child's birth.

Cruz meets both of these criteria. they're just stupid criteria.

Anonymous farmer Tom February 23, 2016 10:17 AM  

#76 Well said,

Blogger Elocutioner February 23, 2016 10:22 AM  

@77 The 1790 Naturalization Act was repealed and replaced with the 1795 act that specifically removed "natural born" language during the debate before passage.

Cruz and Rubio are categorically NOT Natural Born Citizens. You could justify supporting Cruz as eligible based on the 2008 election and the death of the Constitution but the originalists who still fetishize the Constitution and think it's in force are thus hypocrites.

http://www.indiana.edu/~kdhist/H105-documents-web/week08/naturalization1790.html

Blogger Elocutioner February 23, 2016 10:23 AM  

@76 The difference is that one is leading the other on that front and it's not the professional politician.

Blogger michaeloh59 February 23, 2016 10:23 AM  

VD said "Trump is the only one talking about a wall, talking about stopping Muslim immigration, and even talking about deportations."

Cruz was pretty plain last night on Hannity about stopping illegal immigration, deporting the illegals. Ran to the right of Trump on re-admitting those previously deported. His answer to Muslim immigration has been to examine immigration from Muslim nations. He also ran to the right of Rubio (no great feat) on legalization of illegals and path to citizenship, both of which he flatly rejected. Clearly Cruz is slipstreaming Trump on immigration as he has previously been in favor of legalization, and I still don't know if he has ever reversed his call for more legal immigration although he implied it last night. However those of us who support Trump can hardly hold Cruz accountable for flip flopping when we do not hold Trump accountable for his many gymnastic maneuvers, of which we will be hearing more of in the general should he be the nominee. Conclusion: I will not vote for a useless Cuck, ever again, because I would rather see the GOP burn down in the hopes that a useful replacement would arise in the vacumn. But I do not consider Cruz a Cuck. I believe that he came a bit late to the party, but he had much less distance to go than everyone else in the field, including Trump. So in terms of flip flopping it is more fair to say Trump pulled the trigger first, regarding immigration, but Cruz's was less a flip flop and more of a logical extension of his previous position. 1st choice Trump. 2nd choice Cruz. 3rd choice New Party

Anonymous Steve February 23, 2016 10:29 AM  

Serious question for Cruz supporters:

Do you think he would win a presidential election?

Anonymous aegis-1080 February 23, 2016 10:29 AM  

I don't know why people go on and on about how Trump isn't "trusworthy".....but they are putting their trust in a guy that married into "Rhymes-with-Tucker-Max", that, BTW, have been sponsoring his political career. That's not only cowardly, is also incredibly stupid. Low energy all around.

Blogger VD February 23, 2016 10:31 AM  

But Vox, how can you trust him here when he changes his positions on everything when he changes his socks?

I don't trust him. Why do you anti-Trump people keep asking the same idiotic question over and over and over? I don't trust him. I don't know what he will do.

But I know what Cruz and Rubio and Sanders and Bush and every other candidate will do.

You're effectively willing to get 0-10% on all the rest of your issues to get 100%... maybe... on your most important issue. All because you're convinced that it is all that matters. My friend, if racial and cultural purity come at the cost of making the pure culture like the rest of the savage world, it is only logical to conclude that it is not the only issue that matters.

Your statement about me is false, your syllogism is incorrect, and your conclusion is illogical.

Be the economist you are, weigh the cost and benefits. Get off the Donald Trump bandwagon.

I did. I repeat: Trump is the only possible option for the American nationalists. No. Cruz is, for the Nth time, a complete nonstarter. He is owned by Goldman Sachs. He is neither a nationalist nor an American.

Blogger Student in Blue February 23, 2016 10:34 AM  

@bob k. mando
*not a single person* in that thread, beginning with Sarah herself, has attempted to refute a single fact i've cited or attempted to refute any syllogism.
As far as I can tell they haven't attempted to with Dr. Pournelle's comments either, and that's with him being sufficiently polite.

Anonymous Nathanael February 23, 2016 10:34 AM  

Ted Cruz wants to increase legal immigration 500% up to 5 million per year, which makes all his other good immigration positions utterly and completely worthless. He could deport every single illegal immigrant and they could all be back as legals without his first term. Worthless.

And this is beside the point that neither Rubio nor Cruz are even eligible to be President.

Anonymous That Would Be Telling February 23, 2016 10:40 AM  

@77 bob k. mando:

@28 Mr.MantraMan:

Who she is virtue signaling to is my take away


Glen Reynolds.

i had no idea that she supposedly works for him. so, when i cited Dr. Helen's article, i had no idea that i was actually facing her off against her boss's wife.


No supposedly about it. Glenn has added quite a few regular bloggers to Instapundit not long ago, most just put in an occasional posting like Elizabeth Price Foley who started doing that some time ago, the two prolific regulars are the very anti-Trump Ed Driscoll, and Sarah, who does a very early morning shift (at least as they come out, they're likely queued). All pretty much people who guest blogged when he was on vacation, it's just now a regular thing.

Anonymous BGKB February 23, 2016 10:40 AM  

Trump has had a falling out with the Bush's possibly for taking Jeb's handoff election. Trump told Putin never to be in TX at the same time as him or the Bush's would assassinate them both
http://www.usapoliticstoday.com/secret-letter-to-putin-from-trump-contain-prediction-of-someones-death/

Ted Cruz now says he will deport 12 million illegal immigrants.

Next week Teddy will be offering 12million and one illegal immigrants(doubling H1-bs), but I doubt he would be offering if Trump was not in the race.

A democratic socialist would not promise to return schools to local control and rid us of common core

No first grade field trips to the adult book store if central planers can't force it.
http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2015/06/02/parents-outraged-when-sex-ed-teacher-takes-kids-to-adult-toy-store/

no one die in the street is both earnest and a form of innoculation - because every Dem argues that Republican healthcare reform will result in poor people dying

Better to be purposely killed in a hospital bed than die on the street? Possibly only better during a Katrina
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/11779213/New-death-guidelines-worse-than-Liverpool-Care-Pathway.html

Guess so, as the GOPe sure ain't gonna bollix it up with a Draft Ron Paul campaign. Brokered convention=Jeb

Who she is virtue signaling to is my take away To the moon, be glad you didn't speed read her blog

I'm still concerned about that phone call Trump and Hilly had right before he started his campaign. Any insight there?

Trump said "Hey lady I think that you meant to send the classified Benghazi data to congress"

Blogger Gaiseric February 23, 2016 10:41 AM  

Steve wrote:Serious question for Cruz supporters:

Do you think he would win a presidential election?

No, I don't. People talk about Trump's "ceiling" in the mid-30s or lower 40s. Cruz's ceiling is in the lower to mid 20s. And I doubt Trump's ceiling is real; once there are fewer candidates to choose from, he'll go higher.

I don't trust either Trump or Cruz, honestly—both are Hail Mary passes that the country can yet be saved. But in that regard, I think either would do more or less the same as the other.

The difference is that Cruz doesn't have the charisma or alpha-male leadership to actually get elected, or to roll back the FedGov's worst disasters if somehow he did. He also doesn't have the personal magnetism that Trump has to mesmerize the press into giving him constant coverage, so all of the BS attacks that bounce off of Trump will stick to Cruz and kill his chances.

Anonymous Bobby Farr February 23, 2016 10:41 AM  

I don't trust him. Why do you anti-Trump people keep asking the same idiotic question over and over and over? I don't trust him. I don't know what he will do.

I've been equally mystified by people repeating this retarded objection. I guess we are supposed to be in awe of their discovery that statements made by people running for office may be unreliable. The bottom line is that Trump is the first major candidate in decades to at least pretend to believe the right things.

Blogger Derek Kite February 23, 2016 10:45 AM  

I understand the hesitation about Trump, even the horror.

But I'll put this question to anyone. In December the House passed funding of Planned Parenthood. I guarantee that if Trump proposed such a thing, and he probably would, the same group of losers would oppose it.

There won't be a conservative in the White House next year. There just aren't the numbers. So of the centrist liberals that could get there, which one is the best? I think Trump, for lots of reasons. Primarily for his desire to represent the white working class.

I have wondered why a place like Detroit or Chicago could happen, and I see it happening with Obama and the useless conservatives greasing the chute. Trump breaks the mould, opens opportunities for action and initiative in another direction. The US has to change direction, it may even be too late.

Cruz should have fired his political operatives in Iowa. Especially the guy sending the threatening get out the vote letter. That changed my opinion about Cruz.

Blogger Marie February 23, 2016 10:46 AM  

@bob k. mando

"these are not honorable people."

I was appalled by that exchange. They have an incomplete and juvenile understanding of our government and legal system. It is clear they haven't learned much beyond what was taught to them in their high school civics class.

But boy, they sure could call you names.

How are these people allies? They can't even play nicely in the sandbox with those who are politically closer to them than the democrats.

Blogger jmarinara February 23, 2016 10:53 AM  

Let's assume Cruz is bought and paid for by GmS. Has that stopped him from doing what he's promised to do in the past? You openly admit you have no idea if the guy you support is for real.

So, basically, you're willing to pin your support on hope and change instead of the devil you know. That's... uncharacteristically... not smart, Vox. It's also emotional thinking.

What statement about you is incorrect? You've stated that immigration is all that matters, so I know I'm accurate there. Is it the notion that you're willing to sacrifice all else for progress on immigration? OK, so then you're not? Great. Why are you supporting Donald Trump? If more matters to you than immigration, why support and Clintonian, a Keynesian?

Perhaps it's because of what you said in your last response... you're an American Nationalist. Ok, then let me ask you...

Are you willing to potentially remake the nation at its most basic levels in order to save the nation?

Readers to this blog already know that your opposition to immigration is opposition to the remaking of this nation. We also know that that is born from a sense that those who are doing so through immigration want to destroy it. But the real test is are you willing to stop the destruction (maybe, because you don't really know if he'll even do what he says) by destroying it a dfferent way?

Is it best to prevent squatters from pissing on the walls and trashing the kitchen by throwing them out and restoring the house, or by throwing them out, tearing down the house, and rebuilding it as a prison?

Blogger Student in Blue February 23, 2016 10:54 AM  

@Nathanael
Ted Cruz wants to increase legal immigration 500% up to 5 million per year, which makes all his other good immigration positions utterly and completely worthless. He could deport every single illegal immigrant and they could all be back as legals without his first term. Worthless.
Someone who's globalist is not really anti-immigration, they're anti-illegal immigration. Cruz is just a nonstarter.

Trump still has some silly globalist propaganda in his head I think, hence the 'bring them in if they're still good!', but just being nationalist means it's way more likely he'll do something meaningful about immigration as a whole. Not a guarantee by any means, but it's far more likely.

Blogger jmarinara February 23, 2016 10:55 AM  

Believing in single payer and planned parenthood is the right things? Being proud of serial adultery is the right things?

Anonymous BGKB February 23, 2016 10:57 AM  

I've posted it before, but comprehension hard. Trump favors touch back amnesty

Trump can do touch back the way leftists did Rayguns border wall. Have one illiterate black employee to handle it all.

to the right of trump on readmitting deportees

Trump was going to require a letter of reference from the Archbishop of Westminster but Pope Commie's comments changed that.

My fear is that he'll also follow through on his threats to replace Obamacare with something worse

Less likely to happen than $0.20 a barrel oil, without what ever you call it when you drop a few zeros off the end of your Zimbabwelike currency.

Blogger Student in Blue February 23, 2016 10:59 AM  

Are you willing to potentially remake the nation at its most basic levels in order to save the nation?

What a nonsensical question. It's already being remade right now, and not by our hands. To keep it as it is right now means preserving a nation that is fundamentally different than what was envisioned from the beginning.

You're just echoing the "conservative" mode of thought that results in not being for anything in particular, just opposed to the Dems. You're effectively defending what was the progressive's side from 20 years ago.

Anonymous BGKB February 23, 2016 11:00 AM  

I meant achieving any change worse than Obamacare

Anonymous VFM #6306 February 23, 2016 11:02 AM  

@85 But I know what Cruz and Rubio and Sanders and Bush and every other candidate will do.

This is the simple point of logic that Anti-Trump, Inc. either cannot grasp or will not grasp. Here's what might make sense:

First to say "wall" wins.
Trump said "wall" first.

Sanders: "I said Wall Street!"
Hillary: "Due to years of neglect, the walls of my vagina collapsed faster than Benghazi."
Rubio: "Oh yeah, an amnesty wall! Great idea. I have one around my pool."
Cruz: "Trump's right about that wall. Mine would be a Christian wall."
Carson: "I'd double the wall, just to be nice!"
Bush: "Wall is not practical. Like my campaign. Please clap."


Blogger Timmy3 February 23, 2016 11:04 AM  

Purely in terms of ethnicity that makes America. Americans should be English. Then there are the imported Europeans that came to America that we wouldn't think of not being Americans anymore like the Italians, the Dutch, the Germans. Much of the Southern Americans are white and also mixed race. The odd people out are Blacks, Asians, and Middle Easterners.

America should be the land where everyone assimilates, but that flies into the face of Diversity as the new goal. People are keeping their native cultures and creating hyphenated ethnic areas. People are not assimilating when new immigrants are still arriving at huge numbers. Assimilation takes decades to achieve.

Blogger jmarinara February 23, 2016 11:05 AM  

I don't want to keep it as it is right now. I want a cou try that looks like what Washington and Jefferson envisioned.

Try again.

Blogger Student in Blue February 23, 2016 11:09 AM  

I don't want to keep it as it is right now. I want a cou try that looks like what Washington and Jefferson envisioned.

Try again.


Then you really have no disagreement with someone who would have to "potentially remake the nation at its most basic levels". In fact, that's the guy you should be rooting for.

Why are you against Trump again?

Blogger Marie February 23, 2016 11:12 AM  

@ jmarinara

If Trump turns traitor there is a good chance there won't be a country to remake.

If Americans are annoyed and angry enough to put Trump into power and he betrays them, they might decide to start using all of those guns they have been buying in the last four years. They might not be as successful as they hope but they'll cause a lot of problems.

What's in it for Trump? He loses he reputation and possibly his fortune or even his life. For what? To completely change the nation that allowed him to make billions of dollars and live a good life?

Why not just keep living the good life? He clearly has the ear of plenty of politicians and doesn't want for anything. Why would he risk all of that?

Blogger CarpeOro February 23, 2016 11:13 AM  

When asked if I trust Trump, my answer is also no. The return question is, who do you trust more amongst Republicans? Which leads to the question if you trust them more and they are not addressing the immigration question properly, why don't they just vote for Sanders? For the focal point of the election Trump is the only one at least making sounds like he will act in our interests, the others at best are being dragged there - you can't lead if you're being dragged.

Blogger jmarinara February 23, 2016 11:14 AM  

Because Trump will remake it in the image of Hobbes, Keynes, Krugman, and Clinton. Not Jefferson, Washington, Monroe, and Henry.

You're illustrating my point. You want change. Just change. Not change from something bad to something good just change. And you place all of your hope in it.

It's all... strangely familiar, somehow.

Anonymous Susan February 23, 2016 11:16 AM  

In Peter Benchley's book that became the great movie Jaws, there is a scene in which today's post topic is touched on. Even after living for 10 years on Amity Island, the native born residents still didn't consider Chief Brody and his Mrs "Islanders". Benchley was a very perceptive author.

They accept you living there, but you aren't part of the in crowd. Hoyt, Jindal, Haley and the rest might be citizens, but they will never be real Americans.

Blogger jmarinara February 23, 2016 11:16 AM  

The same question can be asked of Hillary. She clearly doesn't want for anythinf, clearly has the ear of politicians, why is she running?

Because on those levels of society, money is just how you keep score, it's not the ultimate goal. People like that want control, power, a legacy. They are thrilled by it.

And that's not a terrible thing, but that motivation in the wrong hands can have terrible results.

Blogger jmarinara February 23, 2016 11:18 AM  

Madison, not Monroe. (Apologies)

Blogger Jamie-R February 23, 2016 11:22 AM  

Both sides of major party politics don't mess with illegal immigration here. You can't get a boat onto the northern shores and believe me, there's a lot more people north of Australia than south of the USA. Vast majority wind up getting settled on buttfuckville islands, like Nauru and Christmas Island and quietly flown back home, far away from our mainland. Labor from 2007 to 2013 screwed up and spiked the numbers, they lost office to a retard conservative. So the illegal immigration issue is handled here and is always forefront to voters, it's not in the USA. You can't hope to address migration if you can't even address illegal migration.

One guy has tackled it. One f'ing guy. He'll win the Presidency.

Blogger Marie February 23, 2016 11:27 AM  

@jmarinara

I'm not asking why he's running. I'm asking why he would risk an about-face if all he wants is power and a legacy.

He could have run as a democrat. He could be the president he is promising to be. Those would still give him power and a place in the history book without risk of inspiring American ire.

Blogger IM2L844 February 23, 2016 11:28 AM  

I fear the Big Beautiful Door. Like nearly all things with Trump, I find myself asking: "What the hell does that mean, exactly?"

Blogger Student in Blue February 23, 2016 11:37 AM  

Because Trump will remake it in the image of Hobbes, Keynes, Krugman, and Clinton. Not Jefferson, Washington, Monroe, and Henry.

Right, as if you know exactly what Trump is going to do when he wins. As if anyone knows, including Trump.

You're illustrating my point. You want change. Just change. Not change from something bad to something good just change.

You can't ever guarantee good change. No one is an oracle.

So are you done making scary noises about 'chaaaange'? Just two posts ago you were saying that change is necessary, now you're making it sound like the worst possible thing.

Besides, no one else is bothering with a nationalistic stance.

And you place all of your hope in it.

That's a lie.

It's all... strangely familiar, somehow.

Are you attempting to hearken back to Obama, or Hitler? Stop attempting to play coy and clever and just outright state things like an adult man.

Blogger bob k. mando February 23, 2016 11:38 AM  

80. Elocutioner February 23, 2016 10:22 AM
The 1790 Naturalization Act was repealed and replaced with the 1795 act that specifically removed "natural born" language during the debate before passage.



doesn't matter. there have been many subsequent Naturalization Acts. Naturalization IS NOT NBC status, an NBC would never see a situation where he needed to be naturalized. the 1790 definition defines an example in which Naturalization would NOT be needed and would not apply.

the problem is that the 1790 Act is the *only* piece of American legislation which ever defined the term "Natural Born Citizen". as such, unless you can find a subsequent redefining of the term in passed, valid US Federal Law, this should be the controlling legal definition for US purposes.

and my understanding is that the term of art "Natural Born Citizen" has never been part of any other legislation ( beyond the Constitution itself, which does NOT define the term ) in the history of the nation.

this is a problem. should you find subsequent law which addresses this i will be more than happy to yield the point.

anything else is simply judges legislating from the bench.

which act should result in every judge who engages in it getting summarily impeached and disbarred ... but somehow never does.



85. VD February 23, 2016 10:31 AM
Why do you anti-Trump people keep asking the same idiotic question over and over and over?



it's a copy of the Sarah Hoyt / Glenn Beck talking point.

to admit that WE ( anti-cuckservatives ) understand that the establishment Republicans are deceitful backstabbing pieces of shit is to admit
...
that THEY ( who have been supporting Bush v 1, 2 and 3, McCain, Romney, et al ) have been refusing to see the plainly obvious.

it strikes at their egos to admit that they have allowed their good intentions to have been so thoroughly perverted in real world application.

because this makes them accomplices and morally culpable.

much easier to avoid thinking about the subject altogether and accuse me of "yelling".



86. Student in Blue February 23, 2016 10:34 AM
As far as I can tell they haven't attempted to with Dr. Pournelle's comments either, and that's with him being sufficiently polite.



i was polite in my first post.

and Sarah immediately started lying about me. "yelling"? fuck you, you stupid cunt. i don't even capitalize the first word of sentences. "yelling", my ass.

this is not the behavior of someone fit for polite company.

but she demands polite behavior from everyone else. this is another typical female behavior when arguing against a man:
get in his face and scream at him, if he raises his voice at all in response accuse him of "yelling" and being "intimidating" and claim to be a victim.

Sarah hasn't claimed to be a victim yet. so i guess be thankful for small favors?

Blogger jmarinara February 23, 2016 11:38 AM  

I think he'd risk an about face because an about face is not much of a risk. Americans may have guns, but they aren't using them. Gone are the days when Americans throw out local politicians who refuse to count votes. Gone are the days of rebellio over taxes on Whiskey. If the holocaust of 50 million babies isn't going to spark armed revolt, free healthcare sure won't.

The left had learned: leave the guns alone and they'll leave you alone to do what you want.

Anonymous FP February 23, 2016 11:39 AM  

"Which then leads to a "I-know-better-than-you" approach to politics.

Doesn't matter if they are on the right or the left. The results appear to be the same."

I'm seeing this from both immigrants and natives, especially those who were lefties, hard core or otherwise. Those and just older boomers who remember the 60s are are afraid of it getting worse than it was then or something and end up pushing a moderate cuckservative stance.

There are lots of serious gun rights activists, 3%'er, militia types that fear the Fash. Trump is a facist, don't trust him! You're a fool! The same people who've spent the last 2-3 years railing against the weaknesses of the NRA and SAF and promote actively violating new gun laws. They don't like all the anger going around, including those "evil nazi sockpuppets who yell cuck".

OpenID sigbouncer February 23, 2016 11:42 AM  

"However, I must note that Trump recently toyed with the idea of amnesty and claimed he would let those "who work hard stay".

In that sense, Trump is weaker on immigration than Cruz is. Cruz has called for building a wall, getting rid of anchor babies, and MASS deportations.

Cruz said all this before Trump was encouraged by Bill Clinton to run in the primary. He just hasn't gotten as much press for it."

Pure and utter bullshit from a typical Cruz mark. Cruz wanted more immigration and claims there is "no bigger supporter of immigration in the Senate than himself".

Here was Cruz position on immigration at the beginning of the election in his own words:

SEN. TED CRUZ: My views on immigration are straightforward. I think there is considerable bipartisan agreement outside of Washington on immigration. There is overwhelming bipartisan agreement that we've got to get serious about securing the borders and stopping illegal immigration. There is considerable bipartisan agreement outside of Washington that we need to improve and streamline legal immigration so that we can remain a nation that welcomes and celebrates legal immigrants. I think it is a mistake for any politician to on the one hand embrace amnesty — embrace a pathway to citizenship for those who are here illegally — and on the other hand seek to restrict or punish legal immigrants. Amnesty is wrong. When I campaigned for the us senate I campaigned unambiguously against amnesty and was proud to receive 40 percent of the Hispanic vote in the state of Texas at the same time Mitt Romney was getting clobbered with 27 percent of the Hispanic vote nationwide. But I am the son of an immigrant who came legally from Cuba. Reagan referred to legal immigrants as Americans by choice and there is no stronger advocate of legal immigration in the U.S. Senate than I am. I think the right approach is to secure the border, follow the rule of law, and embrace and improve legal immigration.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/ted-cruz-knocks-scott-walker-on-immigration/article/2563591

Blogger Gaiseric February 23, 2016 11:45 AM  

jmarinara wrote:Because Trump will remake it in the image of Hobbes, Keynes, Krugman, and Clinton. Not Jefferson, Washington, Monroe, and Henry.

You're illustrating my point. You want change. Just change. Not change from something bad to something good just change. And you place all of your hope in it.

It's all... strangely familiar, somehow.

Your posts also sound strangely familiar... like Glenn Beck and Matt Walsh and Mark Levin ad nauseum "Trump can't be President; he doesn't even know all of the books of the Bible!"

You've lost frame big-time. You can't even recognize that all of the basic assumptions under which you're operating in your anti-Trump diatribe are actually specious and spurious assertions, and no more.

Plus, you're projecting your Cruz Messiah complex onto Trump supporters. And you're grossly over-estimating Cruz's ability to raise his numbers, get nominated, much less elected, or accomplish anything at all if he were to somehow get into office.

Look; I don't think a Cruz presidency would be all that bad, for the most part. Assuming I can trust him on immigration, and that he's really become a Jeff Sessions disciple on that issue. But how can I trust that more than I trust Trump? I can't. So, I'd take either one of them in a pinch, but Cruz is simply a non-starter because there's no way he gets elected anyway.

OpenID sigbouncer February 23, 2016 11:46 AM  

Trump's immigration policy is right here for all the Cruz liars.

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/immigration-reform

Blogger Student in Blue February 23, 2016 11:48 AM  

@bob k. mando
i was polite in my first post.

Well, polite for you anyway. *grin*

Blogger VD February 23, 2016 11:49 AM  

So, basically, you're willing to pin your support on hope and change instead of the devil you know. That's... uncharacteristically... not smart, Vox. It's also emotional thinking.

You are embarrassing yourself. It is neither "not smart" nor "emotional" to decide to go with the unknown when the known will lead to disaster. It is, in fact, the logical and smart thing to do.

What statement about you is incorrect?

I don't expect to get "100 percent, maybe", on my most important issue. I don't expect to get 50 percent. I'd be pleased if I got 25 percent on it. And yes, I am willing to get nothing on everything else. Because if we don't get anything on it, nothing else matters.

Blogger jmarinara February 23, 2016 11:49 AM  

1) I know what Trump has already done. That's all we can go on for anyone.

2) It's a lie to say that I flip flop on wanting change. I want the results of change to be good, not just for stuff to change.

3) On what do you hang your hope if not on stuff changing?

4) Sorry subtlety is lost on you. I am comparing the fervor of Trump supporters to the fervor of Obama supporters. It is a thoughtless and substanceless fervor. Emotional, raw, unthoughtful. I make no comparison to Hitler.

Is that man enough for you? Your turn to act like a man and actually defend your support as a positive for the nation. Actually BE a nationalist and put the country first, instead of your angry temper tantrum of "F the establishment".

Blogger jmarinara February 23, 2016 11:54 AM  

The state by state polls show Trump losing to both Dems, and Cruz winning by 10 or so electorial college votes. Trump makes all swing states more competitive, Cruz makes a few seing states Red States. That's the difference.

Also, Cruz beats him in unfavorables and Trump is the only candidate to lose nationally to any Dem. And he loses to both.

Sorry man, electability is not your strongest pro-Trump argument.

Anonymous VFM #6306 February 23, 2016 12:00 PM  

Yeah. America does NOT want 40% of the hispanic vote. Trump wins with 62% of the white vote and less than 30% of the Hispanic vote, 7% of the Black vote, and 33% of the Asian vote.

That's with minority turnout at about 2012 levels. If it is two white guys running, minority turnout will be lower than that.

Incidentally, Trump polls higher than that across all relevant groups right now: 70% white, 34% hispanic, 40% Asian. Blacks are are a rounding error for Republicans, a totally irrelevant constituency. Better off paying attention to Indians.

Anonymous bw February 23, 2016 12:00 PM  

You know what they say about Anti-Racists...

They literally believe their salvation is white displacement, and believe the place will be just the same, or better.
Perpetual children.
As I've said all along, the real issue is white vs white - at least everyone is being forced to admit what they are and are for and believe. Good times.

Blogger jmarinara February 23, 2016 12:01 PM  

"the known will lead to disaster."

That's an assertion, not a fact, Vox. You can't call my statement embarrassing because it opposes your thesis. Well, you can, but it's not credible.


"I'd be pleased if I got 25 percent on it. And yes, I am willing to get nothing on everything else. Because if we don't get anything on it, nothing else matters."

Ok, fair enough. I think that's profoundly foolish. I think because I can't agree with you that "nothing else matters". It's like saying that it was ok you burned your house down because the spider you tried to kill died. The house is gone, your stuff is destroyed, but mission accomished... the spider is dead.

Thanks for the chat.

OpenID sigbouncer February 23, 2016 12:06 PM  

"He isn't an ideal candidate, he probably isn't even a good candidate, and he certainly isn't a trustworthy candidate, but nevertheless, at this point, he is the only possible candidate."

Bush Sr.-Dukakis, Clinton-Bush Sr., Clinton-Dole, Bush Jr.-Gore, Bush Jr.-Kerry, Obama-McCain, Obama-Romney.

How does Trump not get a "good candidate" ranking from you Vox? Considering this batch of political marks and scrubs who have represented their parties since '88?

Trump has put his neck on the line by exposing the Bush Jr regime who let the Saudi families leave the US without questioning directly after 9/11.

Trump has shown himself to be a very good candidate, perhaps even the ideal candidate. As Trump is the only candidate who has had the balls to openly expose the political corruption and wrongdoings of those in power to the American public.

Blogger Student in Blue February 23, 2016 12:08 PM  

1) I know what Trump has already done. That's all we can go on for anyone.

So what has Trump done that makes him worse than what the other candidates have done? Specifically worse than the other candidates.

2) It's a lie to say that I flip flop on wanting change. I want the results of change to be good, not just for stuff to change.

I didn't call you a flip flopper, I called you inconsistent. Flip flopping implies intention.

Everyone wants good change. You can't guarantee it. Why is your candidate of choice, whoever it is, more likely to be a good choice? More importantly, why is your candidate of choice more likely to be *not* the same thing as the last 40-50 years of politicians?

If said candidate of choice is the same thing as the last 40-50 years of politicians, then there's no chance of there being good change.

3) On what do you hang your hope if not on stuff changing?

I hang my hope on God and preparing for the inevitable collapse of the American empire. Trump is a hail mary with seconds to go that maybe, might work, but I'm not placing a bet on it.

It's still a smarter choice than continuing to run the ball when you're 4 and 50 on your 10, and punting means the likely death of your family line.

4) Sorry subtlety is lost on you. I am comparing the fervor of Trump suppoeters to the fervor of Obama supporters. It is a thoughtless and substanceless fervor. Emotional, raw, unthoughtful. I make no comparison to Hitler.

That's because the majority of people operate and engage on rhetoric. It's how people are, you can't just tut-tut at them and expect them to change that.

I'm fairly sure that previous presidential elections with a charasmatic man had the same type of supporters.

Is that man enough for you? You're turn to act like a man and actually defend your support as a positive for the nation. Actually BE a nationalist and put the country first, instead of your angry temper tantrum of "F the establishment".

My my, I touched a nerve. Do you always tell people they're acting on a temper tantrum when they tell you to stop attempting to be coy and clever?

Anonymous VFM #6306 February 23, 2016 12:09 PM  

The state by state polls show Trump losing to both Dems, and Cruz winning by 10 or so electorial college votes. Trump makes all swing states more competitive, Cruz makes a few seing states Red States. That's the difference.

Electability is irrelevant. Utterly irrelevant. Electing a known Sachs-slave buys the country a diseased orgasm. You'd think that alone would give the cucks cold feet, but they are twisted little bastards.

Blogger Student in Blue February 23, 2016 12:11 PM  

@sigbouncer
Trump has shown himself to be a very good candidate, perhaps even the ideal candidate.

That depends on what you're wanting your candidate to accomplish.

If you want him to piss off the establishment and get them to show their true colors, I'd agree. If you want him to stand for absolutely everything the alt-Right cares for, I wouldn't.

OpenID sigbouncer February 23, 2016 12:13 PM  

To add to @126

I also think it is unfair to say Trump isn't trustworthy when we haven't yet seen if he follows thru on what he says he will do. At this point, Trump is far more trustworthy than any of the lifetime politicians in the running with him.

Blogger Ingot9455 February 23, 2016 12:14 PM  

I note that in Vox's Trump story, he sneaks in an Alpha shoulder-pat along with the apology. Ever since I read about primate dominance shoulder-touch and chest-touch here and on Alpha Game, I see it everywhere.

Anonymous Bobby Farr February 23, 2016 12:18 PM  

@126 I would say Trump is an ideal candidate, not because I agree with him 100%, but because his personal qualities make him the only person who could realistically address the immigration issue rather than just being another Buchanan or Tancredo. Money, fame, charisma and combativeness were all indispensable in getting him this far against a hostile press and political establishment. No one dependent on donors or the press or with a sniveling cuck need to play within establishment norms could have made immigration the focus or would have even tried. And if they had, they would have been destroyed by the media and establishment (which still may be Trump's fate).

OpenID sigbouncer February 23, 2016 12:18 PM  

@sigbouncer
Trump has shown himself to be a very good candidate, perhaps even the ideal candidate.

"That depends on what you're wanting your candidate to accomplish.

If you want him to piss off the establishment and get them to show their true colors, I'd agree. If you want him to stand for absolutely everything the alt-Right cares for, I wouldn't."

That's a fair point. My response to this is that we have to start somewhere. And revealing the 28 pages and other political corruptions is a fine place to start. To prevent history from repeating itself if nothing else.

Speaking realistically. The numbers aren't there for things like abortion, gay marriage etc to get changed by Trump or any other candidate. You take what you can get in the way of change.

Blogger jmarinara February 23, 2016 12:21 PM  

"Do you always tell people they're acting on a temper tantrum when they tell you to stop attempting to be coy and clever?"

No I usually assume they're too stupid to understand that level of communication. Took a chance with you, though. Didn't work out.

The temper tantrum you're throwing is the support for Trump, not your comments here. That's why I used the prepositional phrase "of "F the establishment"".

To answer your questions, I don't see Trump as any different than any other oppertunist running for President. Like Kasich, Clinton, Carson, he's simply changing positions to exploit the oppertunity. Oppertunists either believe in nothing or they believe in something other than the oppertunity they're exploting. That's what I see with him. He's supported and advocated for people and positions that are the direct opposite of what the country needs. But now, now that he's tapped into the anger of people like you, he suddenly doesn't believe in Harry Reid and Wall Street anymore. He counts on voters being fools. It's working.

What makes my guy different is that he doesn't have that track record. At great personal and professional cost he's stuck to his guns and advocated for what I believe are the right things. Men are fallible and anyone could be lying. But with the data available, I believe Cruz to be doing his best to advance what I think is right.

He's not perfect, but he's consistent and shown backbone about the right things. I feel he's earned my vote.

OpenID sigbouncer February 23, 2016 12:22 PM  

"@126 I would say Trump is an ideal candidate, not because I agree with him 100%, but because his personal qualities make him the only person who could realistically address the immigration issue rather than just being another Buchanan or Tancredo. Money, fame, charisma and combativeness were all indispensable in getting him this far against a hostile press and political establishment. No one dependent on donors or the press or with a sniveling cuck need to play within establishment norms could have made immigration the focus or would have even tried. And if they had, they would have been destroyed by the media and establishment (which still may be Trump's fate)."

Well put down.

Anonymous VFM #6306 February 23, 2016 12:26 PM  

Like Kasich, Clinton, Carson, he's simply changing positions to exploit the oppertunity....Cruz, Rubio, Bush...

Of those, Trump is the least changed. He said "wall" first. He won.

Blogger The Kurgan February 23, 2016 12:27 PM  



I don't trust immigrants on immigration. Not one little bit. They always personalize it.


Yeah, you just don't know what mask any one of these dirty immigrant savages might wear from one moment to the next!

Blogger VD February 23, 2016 12:28 PM  

I think because I can't agree with you that "nothing else matters". It's like saying that it was ok you burned your house down because the spider you tried to kill died.

That's nice. You have the analogy backwards. You're worrying about spiders while the house is burning down.

Blogger Sam Lively February 23, 2016 12:31 PM  

I like that Cruz has put together a relatively strong immigration platform, but I have no confidence in him as a candidate.

His ambition is overwhelming, untempered by patience or restraint and made ugly by his clumsy Grima Wormtongue routine in trying to disguise it. That's what cost him a place in Bush's court and earned him the undying hatred of his fellow Senators. It's also on display in his choice of wife - a transparently political marriage that got him the bankroll he needed to run for Senate.

I believe his instincts are solidly Christian on social issues but his immigration populism is entirely phony, a thoroughly pragmatic move to outflank the establishment that rejected him for being too awkward, arrogant and impatient in 2000.

Blogger jmarinara February 23, 2016 12:35 PM  

Maybe.

I'd contend an unsustainable national debt, 50 million dead babies in the womb, the NSA, and the destruction of the bill of rights are flames, not arachnids in my analogy.

But not in yours, because "nothing else matters".

At some point, Vox, you're going to need to answer the question of why. Why do serious problems like the ones I list here not rise to the appropriate high level of importance that being invaded by foriegn America-hating people is and should be?

Blogger Gaiseric February 23, 2016 12:36 PM  

VFM #6306 wrote:Electability is irrelevant. Utterly irrelevant. Electing a known Sachs-slave buys the country a diseased orgasm. You'd think that alone would give the cucks cold feet, but they are twisted little bastards.
Also, as we've seen repeatedly this election cycle alone (to say nothing of prior election cycles) drawing a line in the sand on a poll that shows the data that you want it to show and then expecting that it will truly turn out as the poll predicts is a fool's game. I like polls well enough, and it's nice to have a fair number of them to use to bounce strategies against, but I don't trust them nearly as much as Marinara apparently does. I'd like to see his rationale for accepting polling data so blindly.

Blogger Student in Blue February 23, 2016 12:37 PM  

The temper tantrum you're throwing is the support for Trump, not your comments here. That's why I used the prepositional phrase "of "F the establishment"".

That's a complete error, to assume it's due to temper tantrum.

If you have a load-bearing wall that's rotten to the core, is wishing to change it before you don't have a house anymore a "temper tantrum"?

The establishment, which really isn't that different from the Repubs and the Dems, are unfortunately that load-bearing wall upon which our government and society rests upon currently.

To answer your questions, I don't see Trump as any different than any other oppertunist running for President.

At the very least, you're missing the nationalist angle Trump takes that the other globalists aren't in favor of.

What makes my guy different is that he doesn't have that track record.

There is a bit of a track record however

Anonymous Bobby Farr February 23, 2016 12:40 PM  

@140 Describe a scenario where those problems are addressed while adding tens of millions of low IQ, economically parasitic, statist left voting immigrants.

Blogger VD February 23, 2016 12:44 PM  

At some point, Vox, you're going to need to answer the question of why.

I already have. It's not my fault that you're too slow to figure it out. The answer is implicit in your question. There are actually two issues that matter, guns and immigration. But guns are not on the table. So immigration is the only relevant one.

Nothing else matters. Period.

Blogger BunE22 February 23, 2016 12:45 PM  

If all Trump accomplishes is tearing down PC culture, then that's good enough for me.

As for those that are still hung up on him being pro-eminent domain...er...you're going to need that to build a wall.

Cruz was all for increasing H1-B visas, until he wasn't. Sort of. He wants a freeze for 6 months to investigate and audit abuse of the program. Silicon Valley is 75% H1-B holders, maybe Ted wants it 100%?

I'm in the camp that thinks Cruz and Rubio are not even eligible to be president, but then neither was Obama.

Blogger jmarinara February 23, 2016 12:45 PM  

I can't. No one can. Which is why we need to hold to the hard line on immigration. The argument is not "concede immigration so we can work on everything else" it's "work on everything including immigration"

Blogger Snidely Whiplash February 23, 2016 1:04 PM  

I am supporting Trump not because I think he offers any particular hope, but because I’m looking for a fight, one the GOP has no stomach for.

Cruz wrote the TPP bill, sponsored it, and then denounced it and voted against it once he was sure it had enough votes to pass without his vote.

That's what I call Integrity! That's what I call Conservatism! Not like that lying snake Trump.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash February 23, 2016 1:12 PM  

Anhyone else notice that Cruz supporters here always ALWAYS adopt a superior tone, as if they're somehow demeaned by even having to talk to us idiots?

Really guys, the unwarranted self-importance is getting wearing. No one is impressed by your sneering.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr February 23, 2016 1:32 PM  

Damn, the things you see when you haven't got the money to fund a Presidential run. I'm convinced I could mop the floor with the ENTIRE GOP field.

Blogger bob k. mando February 23, 2016 1:47 PM  

120. Student in Blue February 23, 2016 11:48 AM
Well, polite for you anyway. *grin*



i asked a question which struck to the heart of Sarah's false assertion. she went into diversion mode because she knows that she can't HONESTLY rebut me.

if being polite means "allowing people to tell bald faced lies to my face" which are predicated on me being too stupid to figure out that what's being said is not so, then no, i'm never polite.

don't assume i'm a stupid rube to be suckered and i won't, initially, assume that you're a venal, lying, deceitful sack of shit.


had Sarah responded with something thoughtful or self critical or in the slightest acknowledging that Trump supporters know full well that he's not a "Reagan Republican" and you would see something far different from me than what you're seeing right now.


how many times do Trumpites have to say, "Trump is not my protest vote, Trump is the weapon i will use to murder the Republican establishment" before it gets through your thick fucking heads.

from September of last year
https://www.facebook.com/mrltavern/posts/906735776060190

that's now been a meme for six months.

it's not that Cruz / Rubio / et al supporters don't know that Trumpites have been saying that. it's can't they can't admit TO THEMSELVES that this is what is happening.

the GOPe has fucked over the base way too many times. large percentages of registered Republicans are now where i was ten years ago. that should scare the ever loving shit out of the establishment cucks.

because i'm the rabid wolf howling out in the darkness that everybody says, "he so crazy."

there's more and more people figuring out that reality might be closer to the extreme things that i've been saying rather than to the soft, warm and fuzzy things they've been pretending their whole lives.

Blogger bob k. mando February 23, 2016 1:48 PM  

148. Snidely Whiplash February 23, 2016 1:12 PM
No one is impressed by your sneering.



he sneers snidely.

OpenID sigbouncer February 23, 2016 1:56 PM  

"Anhyone else notice that Cruz supporters here always ALWAYS adopt a superior tone, as if they're somehow demeaned by even having to talk to us idiots?"

It's actually pretty funny considering Cruz claim to fame before becoming a full time politician was being an Ambulance Chaser.

I suspect Cruz supporters will be at the Used Car Salesman of the Year Awards to find their next candidate. The gullible bunch that they are...

Anonymous BGKB February 23, 2016 2:07 PM  

VD You have the analogy backwards. You're worrying about spiders while the house is burning down

I don't think you know how much the average leftist fears spiders. There is a reason I told Rabbi B to teach girls how to deal with spiders in case their husband isn't man enough, if he is hoping to convert GLBT. There have been houses burned down because of fear of spiders.

That's with minority turnout at about 2012 levels. If it is two white guys running, minority turnout will be lower than that.

Even I say Trump will get at least 15% of the black vote, those blacks smart enough to know Hispanics are the affirmative action golden child for leftists. Even more than that have heard about how Compton and Harlem got ethnically cleansed by LaRaza Cosmica.

I'm convinced I could mop the floor with the ENTIRE GOP field.

How does this platform sound to be an American Pim Fortyne:
Deport all moslems imported with taxpayer money, along with illegals and anchor babies.
Order troops to carry bacon bits to salt dead moslems, Gen BlackJack Pershing rules of engagement, kill enemies and leave.
Offer to pardon anyone who kills an illegal alien felon, drug dealer, or wearing MS-13 facial tattoos
Use reality based definition of free trade, crack down on fraud. Looking at you Bloomberg Buffet Soros
Audit Fed, then try to get govt out of bedrooms,wallets,kitchens,bathrooms,cars,garages goto sound money
Replace affirmative action with code of merit, local school boards decide what they teach(NYC can chose to teach 8yos how to give BJs, Iowa can teach 8yos marksmenship)People can vote with feet.
No welfare for anyone not living in the US for past 5 years, drug testing anyone on benefits.

Anonymous Brick Hardslab February 23, 2016 2:08 PM  

Mr Mantraman @29 I don't think she's virtue signalling anyone. She is sincere and sincerely doesn't understand American politics or our unique culture. She's been here a long time and speaks the language. Seems like a nice person. But my great grandmother was a great person and an immigrant and never understood American politics past voting straight democrat ticket to the day she died.

Blogger Charlie Martel 7359 February 23, 2016 2:09 PM  

2:06 PM on Fox Business: "Fresh off his second place VICTORY, Narco Lubio..."

Darn. Varney and Cavuto, gonna miss you guys.

Anonymous BGKB February 23, 2016 2:12 PM  

For the death penalty hold auctions to be part of firing squad, with one slot free for a victims family member.

Blogger Were-Puppy February 23, 2016 2:16 PM  

@87 Nathanael

Ted Cruz wants to increase legal immigration 500%
---

Cruz and H1B

Blogger Were-Puppy February 23, 2016 2:21 PM  

@89 BGKB

Next week Teddy will be offering 12million and one illegal immigrants(doubling H1-bs), but I doubt he would be offering if Trump was not in the race.
---
Remember this classic Beck and Cruz border excursion?

A "humanitarian mission" at the border sounds very Cuckish

Blogger Were-Puppy February 23, 2016 2:34 PM  

@114 bob k. mando
to admit that WE ( anti-cuckservatives ) understand that the establishment Republicans are deceitful backstabbing pieces of shit is to admit
...
that THEY ( who have been supporting Bush v 1, 2 and 3, McCain, Romney, et al ) have been refusing to see the plainly obvious.
---

This is a very strong point. I have seen it in many people lately. I'm not sure what they have to lose by admitting they might have been wrong in the past.

It's like the "If I knew then what I know now" lever is broken in them.

Blogger Were-Puppy February 23, 2016 2:37 PM  

@114 bob k. mando

but she demands polite behavior from everyone else. this is another typical female behavior when arguing against a man:
get in his face and scream at him, if he raises his voice at all in response accuse him of "yelling" and being "intimidating" and claim to be a victim.
---

Heh, I thought they did that simply to probe a guy to see if he's got any balls, or gonna let her boss him around?

Just tell her you aren't a "safe space" salesman and deal with it :P

Blogger Johanan Raatz February 23, 2016 2:37 PM  

This comment has been removed by the author.

Blogger Student in Blue February 23, 2016 2:40 PM  

@bob k. mando
because i'm the rabid wolf howling out in the darkness that everybody says, "he so crazy."

I'm just saying that your rough and tumble manner naturally offends the delicate flowers. Even if you're trying to be polite about it.

Blogger Were-Puppy February 23, 2016 2:42 PM  

@117 sigbouncer

Cruz has called for building a wall, getting rid of anchor babies, and MASS deportations.
---

What, will Cruz get rid of himself?

Here's part of a silly joke I put up sometimes making fun of Beck and his chalkboard scribbling.

(1 Mailman + 1 random female) + any soil = The Son of a Mailman

(1 american male + 1 american female) + US. Soil = Natural Born Citizen

(1 cuban male + 1 cuban female) + US. Soil = anchor baby

(1 Cuban male + 1 american female) + Candian soil = WTF??

Blogger Student in Blue February 23, 2016 2:42 PM  

@Johanan Raatz
Allow me to list them:

None of those will prevent the collapse of the American empire or make it less bloody.

Blogger Were-Puppy February 23, 2016 2:50 PM  

@125 jmarinara It's like saying that it was ok you burned your house down because the spider you tried to kill died. The house is gone, your stuff is destroyed, but mission accomished... the spider is dead.
---

@118 was right. You've completely lost frame. To use a similar analogy, the house is burning down while you are worried about the color of the wall paper.

Blogger bob k. mando February 23, 2016 2:53 PM  

164. Student in Blue February 23, 2016 2:42 PM
None of those will prevent the collapse of the American empire



no small number of us here desire the collapse of the American empire and wish to return to the Republic. "entangling alliances" and whatnot.

no, i know that never really worked out for the Romans either.



162. Student in Blue February 23, 2016 2:40 PM
Even if you're trying to be polite about it.



no one who is lying to your face is 'being polite'. nor is there any need to return non-existent politesse to them.

she designated herself as my personal enemy, i will treat her so.

Blogger Were-Puppy February 23, 2016 2:54 PM  

@130 sigbouncer

I also think it is unfair to say Trump isn't trustworthy when we haven't yet seen if he follows thru on what he says he will do. At this point, Trump is far more trustworthy than any of the lifetime politicians in the running with him.
--

I believe this is Vox point. We don't really know what Trump will do, but we sure know what all the rest will do. It's the proverbial roll of the dice.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd February 23, 2016 3:04 PM  

@161 ``And if you don't believe that ANYTHING on that list is more important than allowing some illegals to be here, illegals who aren't even being allowed to become citizens I might add, then I hope the Mexicans run you right the fuck over! Hillary 2016!''

If we don't fix the immigrant invasion now, we can't fix the other problems now or later. If we won, 100%, on all the other issues this election, the Dems and their Repub allies would just import enough legal and illegal invaders to outvote us in the next election.

We win on stopping immi-vasion now, or we lose on every issue forever.

Electing Trump might not mean winning on the immi-vasion issue. Electing anyone else means losing that issue, and all the others.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash February 23, 2016 3:21 PM  

bob k. mando wrote:he sneers snidely.

My name has two parts, Dudley. Beware the other.

Blogger ray February 23, 2016 3:29 PM  

Good summary.


Trump is heavily invested and connected, he'd never be ponied forward otherwise. Oh noes! and you all imagine he's Peter Populist! lol

As with political bedfellowing, one cannot do major construction or contracting across much of the Seaboard w/o mafia connections and sign-offs. Sorry there, Pollyanna.

He's not even a political-messiah, as to date, he's been far too conservative in his pronouncements to dig the nation out. Way too conservative and touchy-feely, but it's too soon for judgments, as the election's still well-off and he must have room to maneuver.

People that actually live in the U.S. are well-aware that immigration blustering isn't going to solve the nation's multiplex (heh) and intransigent problems. That will require SACRIFICE and EFFORT from all sectors of the nation, not just political grandstanding about a Big Fence, while Business-as-Usual for me and mine skips forward gaily. Uh uh babies but nice try.

Meanwhile however, Big Fence is a useful front, as that is about as deep as the rightist electorate can fathom in their astonishing cogitations. :O) Like the left, they cannot handle the truth and are not ready for the truth. Because they didn't see it on teevee. LOL

One thing this blog gets correct tho -- 2016 is America's last chance at reform thru political means. Trump or no Trump, business-as-usual with a few populist gestures tossed in won't get the bulldog fed. If he's betrayed again he is going off-leash.

Blogger Student in Blue February 23, 2016 3:38 PM  

@bob k. mando
no one who is lying to your face is 'being polite'. nor is there any need to return non-existent politesse to them.

she designated herself as my personal enemy, i will treat her so.


I wasn't arguing for or against that. I was just trying to crack a joke.

Blogger bob k. mando February 23, 2016 3:49 PM  

Student in Blue wrote:I was just trying to crack a joke.


clearly, i have no sense of humor.

maybe that's why people say i have "deploymancy".

Blogger Were-Puppy February 23, 2016 3:52 PM  

@148 Snidely Whiplash
Anhyone else notice that Cruz supporters here always ALWAYS adopt a superior tone, as if they're somehow demeaned by even having to talk to us idiots?

Really guys, the unwarranted self-importance is getting wearing. No one is impressed by your sneering.
---

Indeed.

Blogger Rusty Fife February 23, 2016 3:52 PM  

David Power wrote:But for me, the greatest and most catastrophic cuckoldry in the history of the modern world, has been that of the American electorate, by its political class of both hues, for a small otherwise insignificant middle eastern state in a far corner of the Mediterranean.

Saudi Arabia? Seriously, those guys drop some bank.

Blogger Were-Puppy February 23, 2016 3:54 PM  

@149 Napoleon 12pdr

Damn, the things you see when you haven't got the money to fund a Presidential run. I'm convinced I could mop the floor with the ENTIRE GOP field.
---

How would you handled some of the candidates?

Blogger Were-Puppy February 23, 2016 3:59 PM  

@153 BGKB
Offer to pardon anyone who kills an illegal alien felon, drug dealer, or wearing MS-13 facial tattoos
--

If you change that to a $500 bounty, you've got my vote.

Blogger Student in Blue February 23, 2016 4:01 PM  

@bob k. mando
clearly, i have no sense of humor.

maybe that's why people say i have "deploymancy".


Is that the foul and banned art of conjuring deployments for battle-starved soldiers?

Blogger Charlie Martel 7359 February 23, 2016 4:02 PM  

In Canada Trump would be called a 'red Tory."

Our Trump is actually shown himself, Kevin O'Leary. Expect him to take over the Liberals nce weedman wants to spend more time snowboarding. The Cuckservatives, who were trounced in October, rejected him for much the same reasons the GOPe hates Trump.

And Vox is right: immigrants always double down on immigration.

@26 You already trust us more than Israel (NORAD) and a functional America is in our interest too. And that dipshit from Calgary annoys me to no end with his Bert from Sesame Street voice.

@64 BTW just to point out. Canada doesn't have food STAMPS but food BANKS which are SJW make work projects.. and you can only go once a month so it's nowhere near the gibs of SNAP.

I just cancelled a business trip to Toronto and I couldn't be happier. I live in the Maritimes now. My canary was Marion Boyd recommending Sharia law. Even suggesting that told me it was time to leave.

@42 My mother grew up in Detroit (30s and 40s) so from her influence I 'get' Americans better than most, but still. She taught me about the "under God" insertion into the Pledge of Allegiance... pre Ike there was none.

Blogger Charlie Martel 7359 February 23, 2016 4:10 PM  

@77 @80

Just Annex Alberta. Problem solved.

OpenID sigbouncer February 23, 2016 4:10 PM  

"@149 Napoleon 12pdr

Damn, the things you see when you haven't got the money to fund a Presidential run. I'm convinced I could mop the floor with the ENTIRE GOP field."
---

> How would you handled some of the candidates?

The only way one could Out-Trump Trump is to offer a more cheaply built, equally effective wall. As in a Moat.

A Moat filled with crocodiles, piranhas, bigfoots, the loch ness monster and sharks with lazer beams attached to their heads.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash February 23, 2016 4:28 PM  

sigbouncer wrote:A Moat filled with crocodiles, piranhas, bigfoots, the loch ness monster and sharks with lazer beams attached to their heads.

Well, you just got my vote.

Blogger James Dixon February 23, 2016 5:06 PM  

> the 1790 Naturalization Act was validly passed into law, and almost all of the votes came from actual Founding Fathers. Washington was the president, it was his 2nd year in office.

As I pointed out on Sarah's blog, Bob, an immigration act doesn't override the Constitution. You need a Constitutional amendment for that.

> ...the problem is that the 1790 Act is the *only* piece of American legislation which ever defined the term "Natural Born Citizen".

There wasn't any need to define it. Everyone knew what it meant. See above. It's like "well regulated militia".

> ...and my understanding is that the term of art "Natural Born Citizen" has never been part of any other legislation ( beyond the Constitution itself, which does NOT define the term ) in the history of the nation.

That is my understanding also.

Blogger Were-Puppy February 23, 2016 5:21 PM  

@180 sigbouncer
The only way one could Out-Trump Trump is to offer a more cheaply built, equally effective wall. As in a Moat.

A Moat filled with crocodiles, piranhas, bigfoots, the loch ness monster and sharks with lazer beams attached to their heads.
---

That's an improvement to the Herman Cain fence, which was to be topped with razor wire, charged with electricity and a moat filled with alligators :P

Anonymous VFM #6306 February 23, 2016 5:33 PM  

"O ci xem! A moat! Ta! O Mexico!"

Doesn't have that Panamanian ring to it, but I could get behind it. Sounds like Pitbull lyrics though.

Anonymous VFM #6306 February 23, 2016 5:35 PM  

Correction: no "A" before moat.

Blogger bob k. mando February 23, 2016 5:55 PM  

177. Student in Blue February 23, 2016 4:01 PM
Is that the foul and banned art of conjuring deployments for battle-starved soldiers?



nope, it's the deployment of nuclear weapons until such time as i've turned my opposition into a glassy eyed stare and smoking silence.

there's more than a few engineers, doctors, lawyers and MBAs who've found out that they've bitten off a lot more than they can chew with me.



182. James Dixon February 23, 2016 5:06 PM
an immigration act doesn't override the Constitution. You need a Constitutional amendment for that.



it over rode NOTHING in the Constitution, it provided the legal definition of the term of art which the Constitution DOES NOT contain.

don't know if you noticed this but French and British Common Law ... isn't US Law. you know, what with being British and French and all. therefore, their terms and definitions are not binding in any way under US jurisdiction.

they can certainly be used to clarify or understand certain principles and terms of art. but they have NO FORCE in American jurisprudence. and when they are directly contradicted by validly passed US law, the only principled position is to admit that the US Law prevails.


further, the idea that the very first Congress and President, many of whom had been directly involved with writing the Constitution in the first place, wouldn't understand how to amend their own documents is ridiculous.

as ridiculous as asserting that the same people also didn't know what they meant by 'Natural Born Citizen'.



however, what you're asserting is that *you* are drawing an even more constrictive definition of NBC than i am ( although it's much closer to what i would prefer, and one which would also have excluded Obama from eligibility ).

therefore, assuming you are principled, you will not vote for Rubio or Cruz for President or VP under any conditions.

which is also what i'm going to do.

so, we're at the same place, philosophically. i just don't agree that there's currently a legal basis to deny Cruz the right to attempt to run.




182. James Dixon February 23, 2016 5:06 PM
As I pointed out on Sarah's blog



don't care, not reading. her first reply was to lie about me.

until she apologizes, there's no where useful for the conversation to progress. i don't foresee that happening.

i've already noted that her readership seems to be as intellectually short as she is, so there's nobody worth talking too over there.

frankly, i'm surprised she hasn't already banned / deleted me. which she may have, i wouldn't know.

i was rather surprised that she hadn't baleeted me last night.

Blogger dfordoom February 23, 2016 6:13 PM  

@ Athor Pel

The most surprising in their fear are the Ilk that disparage Trump as if they are getting triggered. The next surprise for me are the foreigners that don't even live here doing the same thing.

I'm one of those foreigners and I pray for a Trump victory because of the available candidates he seems the least likely to start World War 3. To me that seems a bit more important than immigration. I'm not saying immigration isn't important but I'd prefer not to see the world turned into a wasteland of radioactive glass.

OpenID joeholocaust February 23, 2016 7:01 PM  

A nation can be great or it can be brown. It cannot be both. Trump is far from perfect but he is the best candidate. The evident fear the Trump's popularity has instilled in the elites suggests that TPTB do not control him. In fact, I don't recall such uniform hatred from the elites of either camp and supposedly across the political spectrum. This makes Trump appealing to voters who are dissatisfied with how the country has been run for a number of years. I think that Trump is not about to make sufficient immigration changes to reverse the decline of whites in the US population but I think that the globalist elites are afraid of him pulling back from further international trade liberalization. Interrupting the one world government project just long enough to show that tariffs would be a net benefit for Americans would help kill the myth of inevitability of 'free trade'. Trump is positioned to make the first crack in the corrupt elites wall, hopefully to be followed up by stronger leaders even less influenced by political correctness or SJW shrieking.
No matter what, whether the elites keep Trump out of their racket or if Trump fails to make any progress in reversing the decline of whites in America things will continue to worsen and there will be even more anger from the disenfranchised.

Blogger BunE22 February 23, 2016 9:07 PM  

Ok, so went to Hoyt's blog to see what this was all about, and to get a woman's perspective of it.

My conclusion is she's an SJW.

After initially posting about how she was busy and wouldn't be able to handle the incoming she proceeded to post 116 comments. There may be more now, I didn't refresh the page.

She looks at her followers as her guard dogs who will take on the badthink posters for her, just like an SJW. She also commented on the poster's syntax instead of rebutting the comment. Just like an SJW.

She says Trump supporters are massively unmedicated and insane, and need to be committed. Sounds like an SJW, attack the people not the issue.

She says Trump is right wing and will move the GOP further to the left. Is that even possible? They're already indistinguishable from the left.

According to her, immigration has been reversing the last 6 years. There was no link to that data, maybe her crystal ball told her, no idea.

-Stars. Would not go back.




Anonymous Cassie February 23, 2016 10:27 PM  

Mmm. I enjoy According to Hoyt. It's one of the very few blogs I'll read for the commenters as well as the blogger. The Huns are just as vicious as the Ilk in their own way. Of course, that means I laughed at the accusations of "impoliteness" - coming from a group where weaponized commenters are just as much a part of the blog community there as they are here!

The problem Bob ran into, as far as I could tell, is that many of the Huns are seriously triggered by Trump. So he waded into a group of already emotionally-overwrought writers... with nonstandard grammar. Yeah, there was no chance in Hell that any of them were going to be capable of a rational response to the content of his posts at that point.

It doesn't make them SJWs, mind. They aren't. They're just human, and therefore fallible.

Blogger bob k. mando February 23, 2016 11:19 PM  

169. Snidely Whiplash February 23, 2016 3:21 PM
My name has two parts, Dudley.



ho-kay.

"Lipwhash snidely sneered."



183. Were-Puppy February 23, 2016 5:21 PM
As in a Moat.



there's a technical term for that, it's called the "Rio Grande". doesn't work very well.




189. BunE22 February 23, 2016 9:07 PM
Just like an SJW.
...
She says Trump is right wing and will move the GOP further to the left. Is that even possible? They're already indistinguishable from the left.



as i've pointed out, these are tactics, not political positions.

SJWs are the tactics + Cultural Marxism.



Taylor is the tactics + ... some kind of nutjob right wing Daddy's little princessism.

Porky and Tiny were pretty far over this way as well.

as to a rightist leading to a leftward shift in policy ... if she's stupid enough to believe that the German Socialist Workers Party was Right wing, you can get anywhere you want.

because you are unbounded by reason and logic.



190. Cassie February 23, 2016 10:27 PM
The problem Bob ran into, as far as I could tell, is that many of the Huns are seriously triggered by Trump. So he waded into a group of already emotionally-overwrought writers... with nonstandard grammar.



not meaning to offend you, but what you're saying is that they 'think' very effeminately.


also, that wasn't Sarah's "problem". Sarah has set herself up as the queen bee over there and woe betide anyone so foolish as to say anything infelicitous enough that she considers it a challenge to her authority and social power.

the underpinning of all of her statements was "how dare you address me this way, don't you know who i am?"

that's why the intellectual content of her posts approaches the zero bound. who, whom thinking with herself installed at the top.

Blogger SciVo February 23, 2016 11:22 PM  

Lovekraft wrote:I have noticed that the evolution of terminology regarding our 'movement' is constantly in flux.

When TPTB successfully co-opted both major parties and reduced any conflict on the left-right axis to kayfabe, that did not end history as they hoped. Like squeezing a balloon, it merely forced us to take note of other axes that had been ignored in the meantime.

So now we're exploring those other dimensions, finding where we have agreement or disagreement and with whom. This is a healthy process that has already lead to the development of specialized brigades for taking down the status quo.

As far as I'm concerned, as long as someone is against either feminism, statism or globalism, and he won't fight me on the other fronts, then I can work with him. If he uses "that's rayciss!" unironically, then he's wielding a bludgeon of the globalists, so no.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY February 23, 2016 11:32 PM  

bob k. mando,
I saw your posts over there and it was interesting , to say the least.
I only know about about her through Vox, and i've read her blog a couple of times. It's a fanclub over there, It's whatever accordingtoholt. I also must give props to James Dixon , who waded into the mire to reason with these hapless stuck in a cuck rut people you had to deal with over there.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY February 23, 2016 11:42 PM  

Bob K,
Did not the glorious Sarah Holt say that that if it's Trump, she is gonna pass the general election? What if Cruze wins, TAKE ONE FOR THE TEAM AGAIN,DAMN YOU !
Screw 'em , I am gonna sit it out if it's not Trump,@ accordingtomosby.

Anonymous Discard February 24, 2016 12:52 AM  

Concerning electability: As I understand it, many Trump voters are Whites who haven't voted much in the past. Will they turn out for Cruz?

As I see it, Trump isn't just running for President, he's recruiting an army, whether he knows it or not. I don't care about Trump, I care about the army. He is providing a focus for White racial awareness. Discarded Whites are meeting and talking. That is good. If Trump fails, someone else, someone better, will pick up the banner.

Anonymous Jack Amok February 24, 2016 1:09 AM  


Because if I had to win popular office and thus had to hide my true beliefs, I would probably do exactly what he has.


What did Vox say about personalizing everything?

No I usually assume they're too stupid to understand that level of communication.

That's a bad assumption around here, unless you were making it about yourself.

That's a complete error, to assume it's due to temper tantrum.

The well-worn cuckservative retort that any disagreement with them is a temper tantrum.

You'll note that the non-Cuck Cruz supporters like Nate and farmer Tom never resort to accusing Trump supporters of throwing temper tantrums. They claim we're wrong, maybe even stupid, but they're not sackless wonders tut-tutting at us for being pissed off about things as they currently stand.




Anonymous Cassie February 24, 2016 1:28 AM  

@191 "not meaning to offend you, but what you're saying is that they 'think' very effeminately."

No offense taken. There are a lot of women in that fanclub. Is anyone surprised when women (and these days, a lot of men) behave effeminately?

Of course, trolling a bunch of already-triggered grammar nazis by using nonstandard English on a writer's blog is kind of funny. And mean, but then this IS the Evil Legion of Evil. XD

Blogger Student in Blue February 24, 2016 2:13 AM  

@Jack Amok
You'll note that the non-Cuck Cruz supporters like Nate and farmer Tom never resort to accusing Trump supporters of throwing temper tantrums. They claim we're wrong, maybe even stupid, but they're not sackless wonders tut-tutting at us for being pissed off about things as they currently stand.

"Cuck" may not be the most correct term here, however correct you are on everything else. Aren't cucks almost inherently beholden to the establishment?

Or is it possible that there are cucks clinging to Cruz like the stereotypical middle-aged boomer in the late 90s buying a muscle car just to feel important?

1 – 200 of 210 Newer› Newest»

Post a Comment

Rules of the blog
Please do not comment as "Anonymous". Comments by "Anonymous" will be spammed.

<< Home

Newer Posts Older Posts