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Wednesday, February 24, 2016

Interview with Mike Cernovich

Mike Cernovich is one of the most inspiring individuals I have ever had the privilege to meet, and I've met everyone from Donald Trump and Henry Kissinger to Dolph Lundgren, Slash, and David Lee Roth. As you might expect, the interview is both interesting and informative:
You took, and passed, the California bar first time out of the box, yet failed to get your ticket punched.  Since you’ve written about it publicly, I need to ask: you were the target of a false rape accusation, back in the days when rape still meant rape. What happened? How did that experience affect you, shape your perspective?  What did you learn about the criminal justice system from having been in its clutches?

I was Patient Zero to the false rape epidemic. “Date rape” was common, the media said, and thus there was pressure to prosecute rape cases where there was no evidence of rape.

My case was bogus. I slept with the girl on the living room floor while her best friend was in the room. (Anyone who wants to fact-check me, ask me for a copy of the case file. It’s somewhere in my Gmail, I’m sure.)

The prosecutors were highly sensitive of the media, as was the judge, who once said to my lawyer, “Think about what the media would say if I dismissed this case!”

I was full of rage, anger, depression, and every other toxic emotion. I had followed all of the rules, and my life was “ruined” by a feminist media and legal system.

The biggest lesson of my rape case is to stay far away from the criminal system. Never talk to the police, even if you’re a witness, because who knows…Maybe they need to close a case, and you were there, after all.

You wrote a book review on Ordinary Injustice, and that was my case. I was a kid with such promise who worked hard, but hey, the media might say something rude about the judge or District Attorney. That’s what really matters.

That mindset, that the players within the system matter more than men charged with serious crimes, is yet another ordinary injustice of our day.

At some point, you “morphed” from the Mike Cernovich at Crime & Federalism, to the Danger & Play guy, your latest venture into blogging, where you have taken up arms promoting masculine health, both physical and mental. What happened? Was this a response to your youth, your having been falsely accused of rape? Your growing fat and realizing you needed to get your shit together?  What turned you into @PlayDangerously?

When you are falsely accused of rape and see the legal system from the inside as a client and the outside as lawyer, your eyes open up. You realize that everything you had been told about the legal system was a lie.

What other lies have we been told, and what are the source of those lies?

We’ve been lied to about rape culture. If you took the arguments about college rape culture seriously, you’d never send your daughter to college. That’d be like sending her to the Congo. Yet, people claim 1 in 4 women are raped while simultaneously sending girls off to college, and those girls even go walking in public and attend parties. It’s almost as if those rape statistics are made-up.

We have been lied to about gender, especially about a man’s role in society. As a man, you’re supposed to live for everyone except yourself. Make a woman happy, even if she nags. Please everyone, expect nothing for yourself because that’s selfish.

When a man buys a cool car, it’s because he’s having a mid-life crisis. A man can’t have fun or do anything he likes without being attacked.

A man who divorces a harpy is evil. A woman who divorces a man because she “just doesn’t feel it anymore” is a hero. Even a woman who cheats on her husband will be celebrated under the Eat, Pray, Love attitude towards women.

Those were lies resulting from what Nietzsche, who I read in college but never understood until I became a man, would call the “slave mindset.”

I began examining those lies one-by-one, and as I did, more lies were revealed.
What Mike saw in the legal system, I saw in the political and business worlds. And later, in the legal system. We both decided we would not play along to get along. After all what profits a man to gain the world if it costs him his soul?

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46 Comments:

Blogger Lovekraft February 24, 2016 11:47 AM  

Someone like myself has to keep talking about the criminal justice system to a minimum so I can just say that if and when you get swept up in it, treat it like a raging river you have to navigate.

Blogger Timmy3 February 24, 2016 11:49 AM  

False rape is scary indeed.

Blogger kurt9 February 24, 2016 12:04 PM  

This is the key point:

If you took the arguments about college rape culture seriously, you’d never send your daughter to college. That’d be like sending her to the Congo. Yet, people claim 1 in 4 women are raped while simultaneously sending girls off to college, and those girls even go walking in public and attend parties.

Those who spout off about the rape pandemic at colleges should be pointed out that such represents an environment comparable to the Congo or post-apartheid South Africa. It is irrational to send one's kids into such an environment. If they balk, then it should be pointed out that the whole college rape thing is made up non-sense. one cannot have it both ways.

Blogger subject by design February 24, 2016 12:16 PM  

I find it interesting to read about others seeing the same things I've seen. Maybe I'm not crazy after all. I also went the law school route, passed the bar, but never became a lawyer after seeing all the injustice. I couldn't be a part of that system. Thankfully I got married and I'm at home, educating my children and trying to be a good wife. The legal system is like a mystery until you tangle with it, then the blinders come off and it is shockingly horrible to behold.

Blogger dc.sunsets February 24, 2016 12:22 PM  

A society of utter irrationality produces institutions that are utterly irrational.

It's ironic. People form a large chunk of their thoughts in the part of the brain that doesn't actually "think," it feels (the seat of emotion.) This is where decisions are unconsciously made, and then the neo-cortex is tasked with rationalizing what was already decided emotionally.

The smarter a person is, the better they are at simply rationalizing whatever biases, premises, beliefs or self-serving lies their emotional mind conjures.

This is why a judicial system, for instance, can via feedback loop become so estranged from justice. Endless internal, subconscious rationalizations saturate its all-too-human participants.

We're due for a tear-down and reconstitution. The process is unlikely to be peaceful.

Blogger dc.sunsets February 24, 2016 12:27 PM  

I can't imagine spending the major $$$,$$$ to get a law degree and then realize the entire program was an inversion of reality.

Seems like enduring an unrecoverable loss.

Blogger Halifax Donair February 24, 2016 12:33 PM  

Didn't know Mike was a nasty girl. Good read.

OpenID basementhomebrewer February 24, 2016 12:39 PM  

@5 That realization is the fundamental difference between big government supporters and small government supporters. It's simple logic, if you accept that man is flawed then it follows that any institution he creates is also destined to be flawed.

Blogger Nate February 24, 2016 1:04 PM  

"Mike Cernovich is one of the most inspiring individuals I have ever had the privilege to meet"

https://youtu.be/IAhGUXeOz0U

OpenID b1bae96e-6447-11e3-b6bb-000f20980440 February 24, 2016 1:11 PM  

I can't imagine spending the major $$$,$$$ to get a law degree and then realize the entire program was an inversion of reality.

Mine only cost me $$,$$$ including living expenses, and I have made less than that in actual practice of law, but I can't look back at it and say "I shouldn't have done that" because I was able to generalize a lot of the skills there in my current endeavors.

Anybody that thinks the system is set up to favor whoever has the best lawyers is not wrong. Although because the government is the "impartial" arbitrator they get a +10 on their roll. Basically if you can't find an advocacy group to take up your case if the government bears down on you, you are toast. It doesn't even matter if you are a multimillionaire unless you had the presence of mind to pay your attorney before the government freezes your assets.

Its no wonder informal Sharia courts have been making inroads in the west as the Muslims move in. They know a bad bet when the see it.

Anonymous Cash February 24, 2016 1:11 PM  

Mike seems like a good guy. I enjoy him on twitter.

I bet there comes a time that he will want to make a lot of money though.

Blogger Nate February 24, 2016 1:20 PM  

"I bet there comes a time that he will want to make a lot of money though"

We appear to see mike with the same eyes.

Every time I see this guy all I think is John Scalzi of the Alt-Right.

Anonymous Dave February 24, 2016 1:23 PM  

Is it always about the money with you, Cash?

Blogger Mr.MantraMan February 24, 2016 1:28 PM  

Some fighting words there

OpenID b1bae96e-6447-11e3-b6bb-000f20980440 February 24, 2016 1:29 PM  

@13 If the invaders aren't turned back, Generational wealth is the only way to keep your family in the top 5-8% of useful professionals the 0.1% keep around as a buffed to the bottom 94%

Will Best

Blogger Sheila4g February 24, 2016 1:42 PM  

I had plenty of friends who went to law school (more because they didn't know what else to do than because they considered it a noble profession), but it never interested me in the least. Given how venal and corrupt it is in the US today, does that hail back to its English roots, or the influence of the heavy % of US lawyers who were/are Jews? Truly not trying to derail the comment thread - I've always attributed a lot of the problems to their argument style and emphasis on winning. I'd truly like to hear others' take on it.

Blogger Ingot9455 February 24, 2016 2:01 PM  

I was at a Passover Seder with extended family, one of whom being a wealthy Jewish lawyer/California style liberal who was exactly the stereotype just mentioned.

In the course of freewheeling political discussion, I caught him in a direct contradiction of his stated beliefs about politics and law and how they couldn't possibly both be reconciled. And he reconciled it by stating essentially that the law was whatever he could convince the judge of in the courtroom.

That there was no reality of law, no underlying morals, no rules that everyone should follow. It wasn't murder if he could convince the judge. As the old joke goes, if you kill your parents you can ask the court for mercy because you're an orphan.

It's certainly not a Jewish attitude in the orthodox/right-wing/reality-based Jewish community but it is the epitome of the liberal wing.

Blogger Ro Ro February 24, 2016 2:06 PM  

Meeting Kissinger, now that's a man for the ages. Not to take away fro any of the others, but Kissinger....damn.

Blogger Salt February 24, 2016 2:14 PM  

Sheila4g wrote:I've always attributed a lot of the problems to their argument style and emphasis on winning.

Once had a woman, in law school, tell me, "I serve the law." Something about that seemed a bit evil to me.

Anonymous Phil Mann February 24, 2016 2:19 PM  

There is a reason Vox openly mocks those who naively think filing lawsuits and raising legal arguments will actually be effective against SJW, anti-Constitutional and openly anti-American influence in this country. Sue them for libel? Sue them for reverse discrimination? How can they ban me from Twitter for my views if they can force me to bake a gay cake? Sure, go ahead, give it a try. Let us know how it works out. People who earnestly suggest these things probably trust the police to conduct truthful, impartial investigations of themselves, too.

Our legal system is corrupt and infested with those who place power and agenda over principle, law and justice. That has been true for nearly a century now, if not longer. It's really not much different than what goes on every day in every average high school. What is amazing is that anyone can get into and out of law school without knowing that in advance.

Blogger bob k. mando February 24, 2016 2:21 PM  

16. Sheila4g February 24, 2016 1:42 PM
or the influence of the heavy % of US lawyers who were/are Jews?


all of Lincoln's destruction of the Constitution and the Reconstruction Amendments were "validated" by a Supreme Court which didn't have a single Jew on it.

Roger Taney was the only Catholic on that court. the other two 19th century Catholic justices didn't get appointed until after 1893.

no one of non-Western European descent was appointed to the Court until the early 1900s.

that was on WASPs.



19. Salt February 24, 2016 2:14 PM
Once had a woman, in law school, tell me, "I serve the law." Something about that seemed a bit evil to me.



the law said that slavery was fine and then it didn't.

the law said that elective abortion was murder and then it didn't.

exalting the law over all IS truly evil. because i guarantee you that when push comes to shove that woman who "serves the law" is going to, somehow, find wiggle room such that nothing ever applies to her.

Blogger Ingot9455 February 24, 2016 2:34 PM  

So then, a better answer to @16 is:

People with high verbal intelligence and training will naturally seek to use that power to their benefit.

Lawyering is a profession where high verbal intelligence is a benefit.

Jews are known to have a statistically higher verbal intelligence and training than the 'average'.

Therefore many of them are lawyers and seek their advantage.

However, as discussed here many times, there aren't enough Jews and their statistical benefit is not so great that other populations' statistical distributions of high verbal intelligence can't swamp them in quantity.

Blogger bob k. mando February 24, 2016 2:40 PM  

22. Ingot9455 February 24, 2016 2:34 PM
However, as discussed here many times, there aren't enough Jews and their statistical benefit is not so great that other populations' statistical distributions of high verbal intelligence can't swamp them in quantity.



not unless you convince the non-Jewish majority that nepotism and ingroup preference are THE MOST EVIL THINGS IN THE WORLD.

all while still practicing those things yourself.

go on. try to get a job in the NYC diamond importing business, goyim.


http://en.israelidiamond.co.il/news.aspx?boneId=2524&objid=10240

Blogger tz February 24, 2016 2:49 PM  

Apparently teaching people not to rape works as well on Cops as it does on Islamic Refugees
https://photographyisnotacrime.com/2016/02/24/ohio-cop-convicted-of-raping-16-year-old-girl-hours-after-taking-course-on-how-not-to-rape/

Anonymous patrick kelly February 24, 2016 2:54 PM  

@Nate

Why the Mike hate? Ok, it's not hate, but he sure seems to trigger you.

Is what he writes just a big "duh" to you or something? Sounds like a lot of the same advice given by ilk on this blog.

It's the kind of thing I wish a mentor would have taught me when I was younger, or at least tried: I was and still am a stubborn, indolent idiot at times. I bought his book for my son.

Blogger Student in Blue February 24, 2016 3:02 PM  

@Nate
Every time I see this guy all I think is John Scalzi of the Alt-Right.

Probably because he's a good self-promoter like Scalzi is. Vox even mentioned that months ago, likening Cernovich to Scalzi in a positive way.

Doesn't mean he's like Scalzi in negative ways. I haven't heard anyone say Cernovich turned on them abruptly for his own gain.

Blogger VD February 24, 2016 3:10 PM  

Every time I see this guy all I think is John Scalzi of the Alt-Right.

You have it completely backwards. Scalzi is a repeated failure whose success is the result of political lobbying. Mike was successful as a lawyer, but left it because he didn't like it, then found success again on his own terms.

More importantly, Scalzi has no useful advice for others. Mike has loads.

Anonymous Athor Pel February 24, 2016 3:22 PM  

"16. Blogger Sheila4g February 24, 2016 1:42 PM
...
. Given how venal and corrupt it is in the US today, does that hail back to its English roots, or the influence of the heavy % of US lawyers who were/are Jews? ..."



Practicing members of the bar are agents of the court by definition. Which means they hold privileges we do not. The system itself by its nature is self serving and inevitably corrupt.

Anonymous #8601 Jean Valjean February 24, 2016 3:24 PM  

Nate is a natural Alpha. Cernovich is more of a pretender. And I don't mean that as a criticism. I have a lot of respect for Mike and his efforts to self improve.

Blogger RobertT February 24, 2016 3:29 PM  

"...the players within the system matter more than ...

That statement describes out whole bureaucratic system from license plates to the Senate. Government workers matter more than everyone else put together, and if you say anything, they'll prosecute. Direct quote from AG Loretta Lynch.

Blogger Skylark Thibedeau February 24, 2016 4:07 PM  

It's the Bonobo Mindset of Radical Feminism: a promiscuous society dominated by the Females of the Troop where unruly males are regularly beaten and ostracized.

Blogger Nate February 24, 2016 4:15 PM  

"More importantly, Scalzi has no useful advice for others. Mike has loads."

yes... like walking on your toes. Excellent advice... FROM A VAN DOWN BY THE RIVER




Anonymous patrick kelly February 24, 2016 4:21 PM  

What page in GM does Mike teach walking on your toes? I want to make sure I point it out to my son so he doesn't waste time reading all the other not useful advice in the book.

Anonymous Cash February 24, 2016 4:34 PM  

@25"Is what he writes just a big "duh" to you or something?"

"It's the kind of thing I wish a mentor would have taught me."

I think there is a duh factor for people like us who read this blog. That being said I can see how his advice could change the life of many of young men in a positive way. And for that he has my support.

This blog was something of a life changer to me as a twenty year old.

Anonymous Eric the Red February 24, 2016 4:35 PM  

The law does not embody objective morality...
therefore lawyers are immoral.
The law does not embody consistent logic...
therefore lawyers are illogical.

Whatever a person may have been starting out, after being a lawyer for any length of time they become a destroyer of society.

Blogger Feather Blade February 24, 2016 4:45 PM  

@24 Apparently teaching people not to rape works as well on Cops as it does on Islamic Refugees

So if once is happenstance, twice is a coincidence, and three times is enemy action...

then next time this happens, we can conclusively state that teaching men not to rape causes them to commit rape.

Anonymous Spartacus xxxxx February 24, 2016 4:48 PM  

Nate wrote:

Every time I see this guy all I think is John Scalzi of the Alt-Right.


I'll see your van and raise one ukulele. Scalzi does it better.

Blogger Halifax Donair February 24, 2016 5:46 PM  

As the old joke goes, if you kill your parents you can ask the court for mercy because you're an orphan.

There is always hope for a widow's son.

@16 @17 Pilpul. Catholics do it too; the Carlin bit about being in the Pacific on the international date line and not getting to Mass.

Anonymous N5 February 24, 2016 5:52 PM  

Passing the California bar on the first try is Noteworthy? I had more trouble passing physical chemistry.

Blogger Zorro February 24, 2016 6:10 PM  

" I have ever had the privilege to meet, and I've met everyone from Donald Trump and Henry Kissinger to Dolph Lundgren, Slash, and David Lee Roth."

Name dropper.

Blogger Lorenzo February 24, 2016 7:09 PM  

Thanks for posting this, very informative (and inspiring).

Blogger Tom K. February 24, 2016 8:54 PM  

"The more you overtake the plumbing the easier it is to stop up the drains'

Captain Montgomery Scott.
"The Search for Spock"

The collapse of the edifice is inevitably.

Blogger Tom K. February 24, 2016 9:23 PM  

Peter Kreft, philosophy professor at Boston College, tells the story of a student of his ego became a lawyer and argued a case before a judge and won!

The judge complimented him on his excellent logic, reasoning, and grasp of jurisprudence. He then asked "Where did you learn all that."

The man foolishly replies, "Thomas Aquinas!"

The judge immediately reversed himself and the guy lost the ruling!

Why, you any.

Natural law is ANATHEMA to humanist judges and all American justice today is humanist.

Blogger Tom K. February 24, 2016 9:24 PM  

Peter Kreft, philosophy professor at Boston College, tells the story of a student of his ego became a lawyer and argued a case before a judge and won!

The judge complimented him on his excellent logic, reasoning, and grasp of jurisprudence. He then asked "Where did you learn all that."

The man foolishly replies, "Thomas Aquinas!"

The judge immediately reversed himself and the guy lost the ruling!

Why, you any.

Natural law is ANATHEMA to humanist judges and all American justice today is humanist.

Blogger Tom K. February 24, 2016 9:24 PM  

"The more you overtake the plumbing the easier it is to stop up the drains'

Captain Montgomery Scott.
"The Search for Spock"

The collapse of the edifice is inevitably.

Blogger LP9 Rin Integra S.I.G. February 25, 2016 1:53 AM  

Mike's work is for and by men. Thank you for all you do, our men need encouragement, reality and the talk of "get the heck out of bed."

I'm am inspired to drop the lies within me.

Sin's bill just arrived. The errors and risks are simply too awful endure. Yet I was handed a light yoke this week to straighten up. As if when a chiropractor adjusts my spine, the attitude is adjusted as well.

And it hurts like freezer burn but its survivable.

Someone said pearls are made from great irritation. Stress is a temptation, with a little clarity minus, sans strong drink, taking my stress or issues under rules here to omit, the Lord is pushing my stresses or compelling me to take all that back into the productive and the arts, for light for the fire within me.

The Trigger was an art assoc. dismissal of my membership for nationalist work yet included at my table were other cultures, random floral/stained glass and birch tree scenes. Which was all loved but not by a few. It doesn't matter, there are other goals and SIG. Solidified in Gold.

2016 is the year to continue voiding out that which does not belong, that which I was warned about by 2 here. I understand now.

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