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Thursday, February 04, 2016

Mailvox: SJW attacks

This sort of thing is precisely why I have been advising everyone to a) get the hell of Facebook, b) utilize anonymous callsigns when commenting, c) create alternative social media accounts, and d) practice sound operational security. The cultural war on social media only going to get worse as the SJWs, and perhaps even the cuckservatives, get more and more frantic about the growing popularity of the Alt-Right, the Mil-Right, and the nationalist Left:
I have a business page on Facebook, which I have used for collecting reviews and event promotion. This morning the following post was present on it. I went through the group of this particular SJW attacker, and he posted a picture of himself to gloat. He mentions you, Roosh, and Milo by name and is apparently trying to attack all of their Twitter followers.

If the other VFM could find out who this guy is and put pressure back on him, it may dissuade his efforts. I can't imagine I'm the only one this guy has gone after.
Needless to say, active and vigorous reprisals are in order. Get on it, VFM. See if you can beat the current record of 57 minutes to ID him.

SJWs always forget that the social media sword cuts both ways. One formerly mouthy gentleman stopped yapping the moment I sent him a link to the harassment reporting page of his organization, observed that he was very clearly in violation of several of the employee guidelines, and mentioned that if his attacks continued, I would be sending the archived links to his employer. He's been very well-behaved since.

First, archive everything related to the attack at archive.today. Second, go through the links for all identifying information. Third, contact me and send me what you have; I will send it out to the VFM. Fourth, shut the hell up about slander, libel, suing, and the courts. You're not going to do it in the USA because you won't win, so stop posturing.  Fifth, learn the cyberstalking statutes in your state. Sixth, aim for antifragility.

Start nothing, finish everything.

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64 Comments:

Blogger Bill February 04, 2016 10:05 AM  

Speaking of mil-right;

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3426685/Nazi-daggers-SS-hats-hangman-s-noose-night-patrol-Soldiers-Odin-neo-Nazi-led-vigilantes-vowing-Europe-s-women-safe-migrant-sex-attacks.html

Blogger dc.sunsets February 04, 2016 10:14 AM  

Are social media now unavoidable vis-a-vis business? I can think of no other reason to use them (I've never had a FB account and my only social media experience was with LinkedIn, which was useless to me so I deleted the account.)

#6 aim for antifragility seems like Job #1. All contacts with the world are bi-directional. Even having an Internet connection is a vulnerability, albeit one difficult to avoid.

Harden the walls. The outside world is hostile and getting more so.

Anonymous Sensei February 04, 2016 10:20 AM  

Harden the walls.

You might be misunderstanding antifragility.

Anonymous NorthernHamlet February 04, 2016 10:30 AM  

Is this guy basically showing off about reporting social media accounts?

There's more to this than that, right? He can't be that impressed with himself.

Anonymous DarthWheatley #2415 February 04, 2016 10:31 AM  

Looks like the archive link has been Slashdotted... can't load it. Says "Connection Closed"

Blogger Cogitans Iuvenis February 04, 2016 10:41 AM  

SJWs always forget that the social media sword cuts both ways. One formerly mouthy gentleman stopped yapping the moment I sent him a link to the harassment reporting page of his organization, observed that he was very clearly in violation of several of the employee guidelines, and mentioned that if his attacks continued, I would be sending the archived links to his employer. He's been very well-behaved since.

You didn't send the links anyways? You really are a soft and gentile evil lord.

Blogger Cogitans Iuvenis February 04, 2016 10:42 AM  

*fuck

genteel

Blogger The Other Robot February 04, 2016 10:47 AM  

I think Brown is the new White hopes that SJWs will win them a majority.

Blogger Vis De Loupen February 04, 2016 10:49 AM  

" I will send it out to the VFM."

Looking forward to it.

Blogger David of One February 04, 2016 10:51 AM  

It would seem that Facebook should have a legal obligation to assist this fellow in determining the culprits. Otherwise their lack of effort or willingness to be forthcoming with information regarding attackers intended to harm this individual and Facebook users/patrons/clients in general is indicative of some degree of culpability of crimes committed against their patrons on FB "premises".

The "authorities" should be contacted and Facebook should be compelled to assist in the investigation. If they don't how could they not be aiding and abetting something of a criminal assault?

Having said that, it occurs to me that situations like this could be two-edged cluster mucks!

At the very, very least victims of this kind of "assault?" should have their FB site/pages restored almost instantaneously.

The fact is FB has pertinent data to pursue the culprits. Probably copious amount of data considering the amount of posts put on this fellow's FB page.

Fact is FB is a criminal SJW hotbed and haven ... GET OFF OF FB!

Blogger David of One February 04, 2016 10:55 AM  

10. Vis De Loupen

VFM ... don't bother ... just another pathetic wannabe loser who wants some attention and feeling of power. Probably some 15 YO jerking off right now.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan February 04, 2016 10:59 AM  

Shocked a rightist who actually looks for weak spots on the left, unheard of in my time

Blogger David of One February 04, 2016 11:00 AM  

Or worse yet ... some 27 year old fat fuc jerking off right now while fantasizing about his delusional feelings of dominance and "superior" intelligence.

Ha! Posterior "intelligence"!

Blogger VFM 3412 February 04, 2016 11:07 AM  

Just fill out the complaint. It will help his employer purge their SJW's.

Blogger Vis De Loupen February 04, 2016 11:08 AM  

12,14. David Of One

It doesn't matter who they are. Like Vox said in the past, we got to utilize more mustard gas in order for the other side to stop using it.

Anonymous VFM #6306 February 04, 2016 11:08 AM  

What is unimaginable to me is that these SJWs still lack the body weight to prevent being hoisted by their own petards.

The hunt is on. Get back on the bench, IB and David of One.

Anonymous Hoppes #9 February 04, 2016 11:11 AM  

"get about the genuine business of helping me fix a broken world"

Yeah, who are you, Lucifer. There is only One who will fix this broken world. Those who attempt it in the energy of their own flesh always, always, always produce more broken.

Blogger David of One February 04, 2016 11:14 AM  

Sheesh VFM #6306!

Those glasses are doing you no good in your pocket! Here, put these on and let's get you pointed in the right direction as least.

I'm on your side dufus.

Blogger Gaiseric February 04, 2016 11:15 AM  

Foolish of me, I know

Well, you got that part right at least.

Anonymous bgkb February 04, 2016 11:17 AM  

I think Brown is the new White hopes that SJWs will win them a majority.

The smarter Mexicans have already fled CA because it has gotten too much like Mexico.

Having said that, it occurs to me that situations like this could be two-edged cluster mucks!

That depends which side goes tee hee I will call his boss, & which knows how to compost bodies?

Anonymous Alexander February 04, 2016 11:19 AM  

- "On our side".

- You shouldn't go after that guy who hit you. And says he'll do it again. He's not worth it.

Looks like logistics and supply made a cockup again. We ordered a crate of vile minions, faceless... not a can of watered down moderates with a penchant for policing their 'own' side.

Blogger Gaiseric February 04, 2016 11:27 AM  

Concern troll; noted.

Blogger VD February 04, 2016 11:30 AM  

You didn't send the links anyways? You really are a soft and gentile evil lord.

No, I read Sun Tzu. Always leave your enemy room to retreat unless you need to eliminate him.

That's the mistake that the SJWs always make. They try to leave people with nowhere to retreat, thinking that then they will finally submit. And then they discover, much to their shock and horror, that their enemy would rather go down fighting.

Blogger dc.sunsets February 04, 2016 11:36 AM  

You might be misunderstanding antifragility.

Perhaps I just envision a different response to chaos than does Taleb.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XL_-G6EwBxQ

I'm ZFG about social media. My F's are reserved for anonymous sniping with real guns. Perhaps you didn't follow my jump.

Anonymous Dedicating Ruckus February 04, 2016 11:38 AM  

1. Bill

Something interesting about that story...

The comments are overwhelmingly in favor (of the Soldiers of Odin) numbers-wise, at least judging by the "Newest" ones. However, if you select "highest rated", most of the top comments are against, calling them fascists and so forth. Except under every one of those, there are a dozen replies jumping on them in favor.

Vast silent antifa majority, or Daily Mail screwing with the ratings totals?

Blogger Bill February 04, 2016 12:23 PM  

@25. Dedicating Ruckus

I think the comments, from just about any angle, either very much support the Soldiers of Odin, or just kinda support the Soldiers of Odin, depending on how you view the up-votes. The anti-Soldiers of Odin comments don't really have the support, and there aren't very many of those. Examples:

The very top rated comment could be read as neutral:
While I firmly believe the migrant crisis needs to be stopped and migrants not allowed in at a mass rate as they are coming now and migrants found committing acts of violence and other crimes should be immediately deported or large prison sentences given to them........but this Really??? Is this the answer. Men protecting their families and women yes of course is right and any man would........but these are not protecting any one. This is a far right extremist group intent on violence and racism and that never is the answer. Will these guys be applauded when they launch indiscriminate attacks on maybe refugees that have already been settled in Finland for many years, and they will? 5611 up-votes vs 1679 down-votes.

This is the only one I saw that was clearly, 100% opposed, and still got many up-votes.
Far right and fascism are a failed experiment and will not be allowed to take power unlike 20's and 30's. Do they really think that millions died in vain in 2nd WW so we can have fascism back in Europe?!! 5490 up-votes, 209 down-votes.

And other comments, from the top rated list:
Can't see the problem with them protecting there citizens, at lest until the police get there act together and stop pretending everything's fine . 3280 up-votes, 329 down-votes.

When the police and courts turn a blind eye to crime, this is what happens. And who can blame them? 2453 up-votes, 111 down-votes

and here we go .... just the begining sadly. These Nazi animals have got the excuse theyve been waiting for. 2357 up-votes, 265 down-votes.

Many, many individual posts are clearly very, very pro Soldiers of Odin, so there may be some organized voting for the posts that are anti-SOO. In general, I think the response is pretty positive.

Blogger Were-Puppy February 04, 2016 12:24 PM  

any updates as to what is happening here ?

Blogger Krul February 04, 2016 12:28 PM  

@23 VD - "Always leave your enemy room to retreat unless you need to eliminate him.

That's the mistake that the SJWs always make. They try to leave people with nowhere to retreat, thinking that then they will finally submit. And then they discover, much to their shock and horror, that their enemy would rather go down fighting."


The cornered rat will bite the cat, as they say.

Anonymous Jill February 04, 2016 12:29 PM  

I've been tempted to ditch Facebook dozens of times. Most of my clients use Facebook to contact me, but honestly, I have email and a phone. Mostly it's the stupidity that makes its way in my feed, while Facebook is keeping me in a box so I don't see more relevant content unless it's benign.

Blogger Bill February 04, 2016 12:29 PM  

@25. Dedicating Ruckus

Hit the send button too soon.

Note that the "Worst Rated" comments are almost uniformly against the Soldiers of Odin. I think there are many people casually reading the article that kinda disagree with it, so they up-vote some of the negative comments. But, very clearly, there is a large number of people willing to write comments supportive of Soldiers of Odin, and who are actively engaged in the comments section. Given the number of comments, and the numbers of votes, I really doubt it's a small clique up-voting and commenting.

Anonymous Dedicating Ruckus February 04, 2016 12:53 PM  

@30. Bill

Looking at the top ten highest rated, I count five clearly for and three clearly against (not counting a few which I can't easily categorize). This seems to be a much higher ratio than among comments as a whole. (Also, a couple of strongly against comments are bouncing in and out of the top ten, so the ratios may change.)

Really, this result is just kind of weird. The comments overall and the lowest-rated suggest that the majority of involved readers are for, but there are several comments against highly rated — and not particularly erudite or eloquent ones, either. Is some faction like-bombing just those comments, without trying to really affect the debate as a whole?

Blogger guest February 04, 2016 12:59 PM  

Why hasn't a conservative alternative to FB been created? I loved SodaHead, and then Feffer disassembled it. I would leave FB in a minute, except it is my only viable route to keeping in touch with less than a dozen friends and family across the country.

Blogger VD February 04, 2016 1:05 PM  

Why hasn't a conservative alternative to FB been created?

Because conservatives are, in general useless when it comes to supporting startups and culturally-related things. Many are outright disloyal and believe supporting the cultural Left shows how good and cool and open-minded they are.

Which is why the new institutions will either be libertarian or Alt Right.

Blogger Were-Puppy February 04, 2016 1:14 PM  

@30 Bill

Note that the "Worst Rated" comments are almost uniformly against the Soldiers of Odin.
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You guys analyzing the comments there might be forgetting something. Those are moderated. When I post a comment, it says it will appear later. So for all we know only 25% positive comments for the SOO are even getting through.

Blogger Cataline Sergius February 04, 2016 1:18 PM  


Because conservatives are, in general useless when it comes to supporting startups and culturally-related things. Many are outright disloyal and believe supporting the cultural Left shows how good and cool and open-minded they are.


(*groans*) It horrible because it's true. In every way available to it.

Anonymous Dedicating Ruckus February 04, 2016 1:19 PM  

@34. True. What that means depends on how the Daily Mail moderate. I'm not sure how that is; I've not made a long study of their comments sections. It's mostly likely more against the SoO than for them, though.

Another note: in replies to one of the comments against, a commenter says, "Daily Mail script-writers at it again". Actually exists a small progressive faction using mass-sockpuppet techniques to alter ratings?

Anonymous Shut up rabbit February 04, 2016 1:27 PM  

@30. Bill ...I really doubt it's a small clique up-voting and commenting.

Never underestimate the dedication of a handful of SJWs with plenty of free time (they're either unemployed, students or civil servants) to press a button repeatedly (or pay for bots to do it) in support of their narrative. Wikipedia is a testament to the impulsive pettiness of the warriors of social justice.

This is something I noticed on twatter, a normal popular tweet usually has a similar numbers of "Retweets" as "likes". A popular SJW tweet (by Wil "Shut up Wesley!" Wheaton", for example) will have hundreds of likes for a handful of retweets. They are content in passively aggressively manipulating comments but terrified of making their own, even if is just a retweet.

Anonymous Takin' a Look February 04, 2016 1:27 PM  

OT but gold.

¡Jeb! Bush Please Clap

Almost makes me feel sympathy for the $75 per guacamole bowl peddler....

I said Almost....

Anonymous Ollie February 04, 2016 1:31 PM  

@25. Dedicating Ruckus:

The Daily Mail has had this problem a lot recently. It's fairly easy to spot though:
1. A pro-left comment gains hundreds of votes just minutes after appearance.
2. The top two or three comments are pro leftist narrative, but everything after that are against it.
3. Most of the comments in general are anti-narrative, but somehow the pro-leftist ones have the most votes.

I'm not sure if these shenannigans can be traced to A)bots, B)organized upvoting or C)SJW's on the moderation team, but C) is playing a decisive role.

There are definitely some dedicated leftists on the DM comment moderation team. A huge number of my own posts meeting the comment terms of service but opposing the narrative have been outright blocked.

Blogger Were-Puppy February 04, 2016 1:39 PM  

Heh- compare the kid slouched in his chair in abject boredom, against any of the Trump rally audience.

Anonymous Sensei February 04, 2016 1:40 PM  

Why hasn't a conservative alternative to FB been created?

FB was Wired, but has been Tired for a while, and is nearly Expired. It would be exactly like conservatives to cluelessly come along in 2016 and try to make a "GodTubeBook" when the time is ripe for something entirely new. But conservatism has nothing new to offer now, it can only take what progressives give it and reject, accept by way of virtue signalling, or anxiously put the brakes on it and talk about that one dead president. The Right needs a new organizing movement that defines itself by what it is, and not what it disapproves of, and thankfully that's happening right now.

Anonymous Ollie February 04, 2016 1:42 PM  

@34. Were-Puppy:

" So for all we know only 25% positive comments for the SOO are even getting through."

Trust me, it's far lower than even that. MSM comment sections are being heavily moderated or even banned altogether precisely because they illustrate that the "huge progressive majority consensus" liberals believe in (and want everyone else, including us, to believe in) is nothing more than smoke and mirrors. The left has been using media control to prop up that potempkin consensus for years.

If anything, the real consensus has its heart firmly planted on the right, but it has been cowed into submission by years of programming. The huge support for folks like Trump, Le Pen and Farage has always been there. What is happening now is that it is beginning to no longer be afraid to honestly speak its mind.

Blogger Rusty Fife February 04, 2016 2:04 PM  

@1 Bill

'As a group, we have not committed a single act of violence so far,’

What an ingenious sentence. It contains both denial and threat. This guy has said this sort of thing before.

Anonymous karsten February 04, 2016 2:08 PM  

Sorry, what is the "Mil-Right"?

Blogger Nate February 04, 2016 2:14 PM  

"Sorry, what is the "Mil-Right"?"

You know the guys like Mike Cernovich and Roosh.. The Return of King type people? They are the alt-right.

The Mil-Right believes a lot of the same thing they do. but the mil-right are the people who kick sand in their face at the beach and take their lunch money because their big pussies.

So like imagine the Alt-right.. and take away the whiney gay parts.

Blogger ray February 04, 2016 2:29 PM  

"Needless to say, active and vigorous reprisals are in order. Get on it, VFM. See if you can beat the current record of 57 minutes to ID him."


I tried to follow your orders, sir, but looks like Roosh Valizdez blocked his page against Bad Readers again. It's an off-n-on thing apparently. Hey it wasn't me that told New Zealand not to let him hold Manliness Workshops! But somehow I'm the bad guy.

P.S. technically isn't Roosh still supposed to be on his World Tour? Bringing enlightenment, NeoMasculinity, and Kratom to the planet?

Perhaps Roosh could change his name to "Frodo" as this might open some doors in New Zealand. Go shoeless and paste some hair on his feets.

Blogger Bill February 04, 2016 2:45 PM  

@34. Were-Puppy

Good point! Just a wild guess here, I have no idea; could be that comments are auto-moderated on a site that big, keying on the usual dirty word lists, so unless the comments have "dirty jooo bitches blah blah" they might be getting through.

Blogger tz February 04, 2016 3:03 PM  

Why hasn't a conservative alternative to FB been created?

Cats don't herd, sheep and rabbits do. Wolves at best do small packs. That is the first problem - People basically surveilling themselves constantly is stupid (We're on vacation, here's us packing the car from our home on X street...). Most can't conceive of the mindset.

Second, assume you did. You have the anarchocapitalist open borders paradox. If you let in the Morlocks, they will destroy everything, but if you don't, the limited number of people won't be as profitable (think Mozart v.s. Michael Jackson).

Put differently, could you turn this community of Blog commenters into something like Facebook. No, because having something where self selection (and a bit of enforcement) is very different than a public bath that turns to cesspool (see breitbart on what Muslims do to German swimming pools).

Also most conservatives aren't going to be debased to create yet another internet 1998 churn and burn IPO. FB is basically burning investor's money and will go bankrupt, Twitter sooner because they are worse, but FB can't make a profit. Google plus only still exists because Google has spare server capacity.

The final problem is the network effect. MySpace was a predecessor to Facebook. For a particular form of social media, it might be a natural monopoly, so there cannot be a "niche" social media platform. So a FB alternative would either have to itself destroy FB, be profitable in a very small niche, or die.

The only thing you might create is something diaspora like where there can be invites, and distributed social reputation capital; think of a Raspberry Pi running wordpress on steroids with a few central (maybe different) aggregators. But this would allow users to form their own groups and communities.

Speaking of sheep, rabbits, and unthinking, the "Broken Window Fallacy" has been weaponized
http://consumerist.com/2016/02/04/arizona-wendys-jack-in-the-box-hit-by-prank-calls-instructing-workers-to-break-restaurants-windows/

Blogger Leandro Novaes February 04, 2016 3:18 PM  

@32 www.therealtalk.org Just go, subscribe and advertise.

Blogger Bill February 04, 2016 3:24 PM  

I noticed that the Soldiers of Odin article had 6,100 shares. That seems like a lot. And people probably don't share articles they don't like. A story about "Top Gear" only has 3,100 shares. I think the Soldiers of Odin have pretty wide support.

Oh, they also have a Facebook page.
https://www.facebook.com/Soldiers-Of-Odin-Finland-1535890053369400/

Blogger Sean February 04, 2016 4:19 PM  

Did anyone crack the mystery on who this person is?

Blogger Were-Puppy February 04, 2016 4:25 PM  

If so, they aren't telling us here

Blogger Charlie Martel February 04, 2016 4:34 PM  

@37 Disabled and NEETs brigading are behind just about every lopsided poll/comment. The old saw about the right not protesting because they have jobs to go to is true. I'm only here because I work online (trade magazines). Online polls exist solely for narrative purposes or Hey Martha stories (like the petition to ban Trump from the UK).

Blogger Charlie Martel February 04, 2016 4:45 PM  

@46 My take is Google is going to swoop in and buy Twitter when the stick hits about 8. The platform it too valuable from a psyops perspective to let die.

Oh, people are doing the damage prank call thing again?

Blogger Derek Kite February 04, 2016 6:32 PM  

Antifragility means you benefit from turmoil, benefit from attacks. If someone like this comes at you they have no leverage point because your position or income isn't harmed but may actually be enhanced by the attacks.
A friend who survived and thrived in a very tough industry said there were two keys; one being able to swallow any setback without failure, the second was to make it hurt extraordinarily in return if attacked. In other words, not be vulnerable to attack and be in a position to return the hurt in multiples.
It applies not only in this environment, but every environment you may ever be in.

Blogger Bill February 04, 2016 8:33 PM  

@53. Derek Kite

That's not how I understand anti-fragility. What you describe is how anti-fragile was originally described, but systems like that are impossible to build in the real world. The way it's used now is in risk management, where you list all the possible risks you can think of, and assign a probability and impact of each one, and then concentrate on the mitigation of the high probability ones (high impact ones first), and see if there's a change you can make to your design that can turn those into benefits. But, really, the main idea is to ensure that you don't have any single points of failure, or that you have alternate paths forward. Fail early is an example of anti-fragile thinking (that is; cut your losses before your losses are fatal).

Blogger Michael Maier February 04, 2016 10:13 PM  

I don't get it. So this FB page owner posted on someone's business page?

.....So.... what? Can't he just delete the posts and block him?

Blogger Groot February 04, 2016 11:20 PM  

@54. Bill:
"The way it's used now is in risk management"

I'm only a couple of chapters into Nassim Nicholas Taleb's Antifragile and I usually don't comment until I've finished a book, but he is insistently unambiguous that @53. Derek Kite's interpretation is much closer than yours.

Fragile is a quality that is easily understood. Antifragile is the opposite. Where shocks, time, risk, and just general events of the universe will likely lead to a fragile object (say, china in a glass cabinet) breaking, an antifragile object would not merely be robust (relatively impermeable to these happenstances), but would actually improve its ability to thrive. Think evolution, intellectual capital or thriving cities.

He denigrates a risk-centered perspective as "wussy." It is a fun read, so far superior to The Black Swan (which was quite good).

Blogger Bill February 04, 2016 11:55 PM  

56. Groot

Yes, I understand that, as I said, what Derek Kite described is how anti-fragile was originally described, but systems like that are impossible to build in the real world. Being impossible to implement is kind of a big problem with the theory. Evolution - things go extinct, how does an eco system handle a comet strike? Intellectual capital - brain drains happen all the time, Motorola and HP are just two recent examples. Thriving cities - Hiroshima was a thriving city, how does anti-fragile handle an atomic bomb?

There are some good ideas that came out of anti-fragile (localized decision making, compartmentalization, risk acceptance, etc.) but overall, it's just another risk management tool. I'll check out the book, but I really think it's another Six Sigma thing (which, by the way, worked great - at Toyota).

Anonymous Susan February 05, 2016 1:57 AM  

Somebody here commenting about 3 weeks ago mentioned an alternate social media site called MeWe.com. They are big on the account holder owning their own information, and they don't go poking into your account for data to sell like FB.

As far as I can tell from the group list categories, all the gun related people that were dropped from FB have wound up at this new site. There are over 1000 different gun related groups you can join, and several who buy and sell parts and such also.

Just saying. According to what I have been reading there, they have been around for about a year now. The British gentleman who actually invented the internet is one of the consulting advisers to the owners of the site.

Anonymous No February 05, 2016 12:18 PM  

@57 but systems like that are impossible to build in the real world.

This simply isn't true, Bill.

Anonymous No February 05, 2016 12:36 PM  

Hiroshima was a thriving city, how does anti-fragile handle an atomic bomb?

An antifragile city would be one with an atomic bomb interceptor that transferred the energy of the blast into power for its infrastructure. It would be one that had positioned itself with ready-deploy survival equipment to sell to Nagasaki and other potential future atomic blast sites. It would be one that used the rubble to build makeshift fences for crop and grassland, shielding it from predators now unchecked by vehicle and human traffic.

It isn't risk management. Antifragile is the idea that risk can't be managed, so it is wise to establish systems that exploit any disaster for gain, not just damage control. In other words, you don't build a bridge with redundant supports so that it can withstand any disaster, but in such a way so that if it survives a disaster, it can be easily converted to charge a toll now that all the other bridges have collapsed.

Antifragile systems will appear pointless, inefficient and needlessly redundant to most risk managers.

Until they aren't.

Blogger Bill February 05, 2016 9:56 PM  

@62. No

I'm not sure if this is satire or not. My point was that anti-fragile systems are impossible to build in the real world. And your rebuttal was that An antifragile city would be one with an atomic bomb interceptor that transferred the energy of the blast into power for its infrastructure. And then you propose some other things that are even worse. The thing is, all that has a real cost. An up-front cost that has very close to zero chance of being recouped. And what if it's not an atomic bomb, what if it's a guided meteor attack? Or weaponized smallpox? Or a series of smuggled in poison gas canisters? Or someone uses a directional boring machine to allow the entry of millions of robot locusts that eat everything, including slow-moving children? There is just no practical way to truly account for all catastrophes. And you say Antifragile systems will appear pointless, inefficient and needlessly redundant to most risk managers as though risk managers have unlimited budgets and time and unicorns.

Anonymous jdgalt February 06, 2016 3:33 PM  

A new one: SJWs dismiss Holocaust as "white on white crime."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2016/02/05/the-holocaust-as-white-on-white-crime-and-other-signs-of-intellectual-decay/

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