ALL BLOG POSTS AND COMMENTS COPYRIGHT (C) 2003-2016 VOX DAY. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. REPRODUCTION WITHOUT WRITTEN PERMISSION IS EXPRESSLY PROHIBITED.

Saturday, February 27, 2016

Moderate loyalty

Remember when it was the mostest importantest election ever and it was vital that disappointed conservatives and libertarians rally around the Republican nominee? Yeah, well, it seemed those who appealed to party loyalty to get the disaffected right to vote for Bush, Dole, Bush, McCain, and Romney are suddenly singing a very different tune now that it is becoming apparent that Donald Trump is going to be the nominee:
Conservative donors have engaged a major GOP consulting firm in Florida to research the feasibility of mounting a late, independent run for president amid growing fears that Donald Trump could win the Republican nomination.

A memo prepared for the group zeroes in on ballot access as a looming obstacle for any independent candidate, along with actually identifying a viable, widely known contender and coalescing financial support for that person. The two states with the earliest deadlines for independent candidates, Texas and North Carolina, also have some of the highest hurdles for independents to get on the ballot, according to the research.

“All this research has to happen before March 16, when inevitably Trump is the nominee, so that we have a plan in place," a source familiar with the discussions said. March 16 is the day after the GOP primary in Florida, a winner-take-all contest that Marco Rubio supporters have identified as a must-win to stop Trump's early momentum.
I wish I could say that I'm even a little bit surprised. But I'm not. It is rather funny, though, that the rules the moderates installed to permit a Romney clone to keep out the Ronulans are going to seal Trump's victory sooner rather than later.

Never trust a moderate. Never permit a moderate in a position of leadership. And the moment he snipes at you, treat him exactly like you would treat an enemy taking a shot at you.

Labels:

112 Comments:

Blogger The Kurgan February 27, 2016 8:39 AM  

Glad you finally agree that moderates are only useful as sandbags in trenches. I find them more dangerous than outright enemies really.

Blogger Salt February 27, 2016 8:45 AM  

The Kurgan wrote:I find them more dangerous than outright enemies really.

Yup. They stand behind you, with a shiv in their hand.

Blogger Wrangler February 27, 2016 8:50 AM  

Meanwhile pragmatics (Christie & LePage) are crossing over wanting to be on the winning side. But the biggest endorsement yesterday was Pastor Jeffress from 1st Baptist Dallas. As a S Bapt, he is huge on the conservative side of our denomination. He will give cover for others to admit they support Trump. We are past the tipping point.

Blogger Elocutioner February 27, 2016 8:54 AM  

I am a bit surprised that these guys with trillions on the line didn't properly game this out for a spoiler like Trump. I guess they had to keep it within a tight inner circle only they're not a particularly bright bunch. (They're throwing Mitt Romney at Trump - good luck.)

With Christie's surprise endorsement of Trump yesterday they are in serious trouble. Sundance speculates that he was actually a Trump mole, others think just a late defector. This is getting good.

But back to the "conservatives" - it's all signalling and manipulation. They can't/won't understand logic (a la Hoyt) so rhetoric it is.

"I would do ANYTHING for my kids. Except vote for Trump." -cuck
https://twitter.com/Elocutioner/status/702903113561350145

"I'm a REAL CONSERVATIVE! And I'm far more conservative than my horribly racist grandparents! They're such embarrassments." -cuck
https://twitter.com/Elocutioner/status/703574034294947840

The cucks are blowing gaskets left and right.
https://twitter.com/Scott_Ott/status/703566000973697025

Blogger Cinco February 27, 2016 8:55 AM  

I can totally see the GOP running an independent in order to sink Trump. Remember, above fear of losing the presidency is fear of losing their death grip on the nomination process. Trump sprinted through their defenses, now all they have left is either surrender or scorched earth.

Personally, as 99% of them are spineless cowards I am betting on their unconditional surrender. But scorched earth is still within the realm of reason.

Anonymous Steve Brown VFM#0273 February 27, 2016 8:56 AM  

Vox, you're not advocating murder are you? It's too early in the morning for such drastic measures. (Southern USA)

Blogger tz February 27, 2016 9:07 AM  

@4 success breeds hubris. They could not imagine someone they could not control winning.
Their machine is designed to amplify pluralities into an unstoppable victory. It is working properly.
They expected a tepid establishment lane candidate to just keep getting small victories while the libertarians and evangelicals split and fought.
Instead, remembering how it worked, everyone non establishment went to Trump or Cruz, the latter only with effort in the narrowest rightmost slice which he offended by being deceptive.
The vulgarian base majority thatmkept being betrayed settled around a pull-no-punches, un-PC, bold battering ram.

Few associate Paul Ryan for speaker instead of Webster and the Obamanibus bill, but I expected Trump to win basically what he has been doing the day after it passed.

Anonymous #1037 February 27, 2016 9:09 AM  

It's almost as if the donor class doesn't care if we have another Bush or another Clinton so long as we avoid electing someone they don't own.

Anonymous Napoleon 12 pdr February 27, 2016 9:09 AM  

It's interesting that hard-core conservatives like me will support Trump even if he's not our first, second, or even third choice, but moderates throw a tantrum if they don't get their way. We saw this behavior in 2010, too.

Blogger Student in Blue February 27, 2016 9:11 AM  

Vox, you're not advocating murder are you?

Would you seriously murder a man for rigging the system against you and lying about you?

Blogger SteelPalm February 27, 2016 9:14 AM  

@9

Yeah, I agree with this view. I vastly prefer Cruz to Trump.

However, I will fully support Trump as the nominee. Anyone who doesn't, yet claims to be a right-winger or on our side in any way, shape, or form is a worthless, pathetic, treasonous coward.

These moderates would rather Hillary win than Trump. Disgraceful and unconscionable.

Anonymous Sww February 27, 2016 9:14 AM  

I'm typically considered a voice of reason, but I despise these people with a passion. And they wonder why the prevailing sentiment is "burn the house down".

Blogger Rantor February 27, 2016 9:17 AM  

Bill Kristol tweeting for people to join him in destroying Trump. These neocons are criminal, disloyal, and disgusting. Of course we knew that. This may be a chance to take hold of the RNC and kick some cucks out.

Blogger Melampus the Seer February 27, 2016 9:20 AM  

An Aristodemus the Coward wing of the party deserts. So be it.

Blogger Salt February 27, 2016 9:21 AM  

Cinco wrote:I can totally see the GOP running an independent in order to sink Trump.

GOPe running an Independent is tolling of the bells; admission that the eParty is now a minority. The new iParty.

Blogger Rantor February 27, 2016 9:26 AM  

Remember all party members (dues paying, not checking the preference at registration) agree to support the party's candidates. If Reince or any of the rest of them don't support nominee Trump, they must leave the party.

Blogger Orville February 27, 2016 9:26 AM  

@15 Salt's right. After the big spectacle of the eGOP wrangling a promise out of Trump not to go independent if he didn't get the nomination, they are now attempting to do that exact thing. Trump could reasonably make a nuclear kill shot out of that. I actually hope the eGOP goes through with it.

Blogger Michael Maier February 27, 2016 9:28 AM  

Independent? WHO?

They cannot front anyone now without exposing themselves as puppet masters and infuriating the Repuke base forever.

Better, there is NO ONE to pick.

Ron Paul and Jesse Ventura are the only two persons think that could steal enough from Trump to split the Repuke vote and get Hillary in there.

And THAT ain't happening for either man. TPTB won't have it, they're as bad as Trump in their eyes.

(I cannot see either man accepting, either.)

Blogger Orville February 27, 2016 9:30 AM  

Back in the day, a some new comers would try to position themselves as young Reagans. We all know that certain aspects of game are learnable and it may only be another two years before we start seeing some politicians adding game to their political skill stack.

Blogger Unknown February 27, 2016 9:47 AM  

The GOPe is fighting to do one thing:
Keep their access to the Federal money train.
Trump, and by extension his voters, are seeking to derail that money train.
All the various hanger ons that have gotten rich from gaming the system as it is now are defending that system as if their net worth depends on it (which it does). The big E establishment has no idea the monster they have created in their actions over the last 30 years, and now they are reaping the whirlwind.

Anonymous RedJack February 27, 2016 9:49 AM  

Full disclosure, I was NOT a Trump fan. However the fire he is drawing from both sides made me one. The GOP is going to destroy itself rather than listen to the voters. So the gatekeepers would rather burn down the castle themselves than let a prince in they don't approve of. How interesting.

I have a polisci friend who maintains this is less about what Trump says, and more about how he is doing it. The polisci freaks sell power and access. It is a multi-billion dollar industry. Trump is running a very cheap campaign because he is the type of guy who used to buy access. Now he is just jumping over the gatekeepers and going right to the real consumer/product. The Voters.

The polisci industry would rather hand the country over to Zippy the pinhead than lose their influence and livelihood.

Blogger Murray February 27, 2016 9:52 AM  

@7 In the GOP's case, it appears that serial, abject failure brings hubris.

Anonymous Dave February 27, 2016 10:02 AM  

Ahhhhh...the irony is delicious

Blogger The Z Blog February 27, 2016 10:02 AM  

Since the 70's and the invasion of the neo-cons, the GOP has been a party of misfit toys. If you were cast off from Progressivism or opposed some aspect of it, Buckley Farms and the GOP is where you landed. Conservative simply meant "not liberal" and the GOP was the party of "not Democrats."

The Cold War is over and everyone in the ruling class embraces global capitalism. The neo-cons can now waddle back over to the Left and convince their new friends that another war with the muzzies is the way to grace. The financial class can start backing Democrats as they have no loyalties to party or country.

As the GOP becomes the party of patriotic Americans, these elements that had been cast off from the old Left will migrate back to their natural home. The result will be one party of global authoritarianism. The other party will be localist and traditional. That assumes this transition happens peacefully.

Anonymous johnc February 27, 2016 10:04 AM  

Could anyone imagine if there's another terror attack later in the year? Trump would win w/ 55-60% of the vote.

Anonymous Bobby Farr February 27, 2016 10:04 AM  

I am a bit surprised. I thought the cucks were mainly opportunists who would fall in line behind the winner in hopes of sucking at the power teat. I guess they take their leftism seriously.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan February 27, 2016 10:05 AM  

I really doubt that the rhetoric of "sexist, racist and homophobic" has all that much traction that two candidates can use it to much effect against Trump

Blogger James Dixon February 27, 2016 10:08 AM  

> Could anyone imagine if there's another terror attack later in the year?

Imagine? I'd say the odds are at least 50/50. Now whether it will be called a terrorist attack is another matter.

Blogger JDC February 27, 2016 10:11 AM  

If we judge someone based up the enemies they make, a quick tally of Trump's enemies...

1. Liberals
2. Progressives
3. Cuck's
4. China
5. Liberal Christians
6. Glenn Beck and friends (his supporters are so angry!!!)
7. Mexico
8. George Takei
9. The View shrews
10. My sister-in-law (who posts an anti-trump facebook post weekly)

The list goes on and on...my choice for president is becoming easier every day.

Blogger James Dixon February 27, 2016 10:16 AM  

> If we judge someone based up the enemies they make, a quick tally of Trump's enemies...

After all these years, that's still the only good thing I can say about George W. Bush. All the right people hated him.

Blogger Dexter February 27, 2016 10:16 AM  

Perhaps Nate should contact these donors and reassure them that Trump is no threat and will betray America as they wish every President to do.

Anonymous The other robot February 27, 2016 10:17 AM  

Even better news. Mellissa Harris-Perry is off MSNBC.

Oh, but I don't watch TV, let alone MSNBC.

Blogger James Dixon February 27, 2016 10:19 AM  

> Perhaps Nate should contact these donors and reassure them that Trump is no threat and will betray America as they wish every President to do.

Ah, but you see he won't betray America in exactly the way they want him to. It's doing what they want when they want it that's important. Timing is everything when billions are on the line.

Blogger Nate February 27, 2016 10:21 AM  

As I say.. A moderate is the fellow that yells at the firemen about all the damage they are doing to the house by flooding it with water.

Blogger Nate February 27, 2016 10:25 AM  

"Perhaps Nate should contact these donors and reassure them that Trump is no threat and will betray America as they wish every President to do."

There's no convincing them of that. Remember these are the same people that though Romney was a crazy right wing nut case.

The only people who are really scared of what's going on the republcian establishment. This notion that this will kill the party because he can't win is particularly funny... because all this establishment has done since 2006 is pick losers.

The GOP establishment has proven it can't win.

Blogger JDC February 27, 2016 10:26 AM  

The cuck's are losing it. Just listening to the GB show on Friday, and their critiques and criticism's of Trump, mostly centered around one thought, "He's not nice! Do you want your president to speak in this manner to other countries?"

My quick response is, "Of course. Bowing and placating ourselves before them hasn't worked out so well for our country."

The word WOW was used often. At one point, Beck's side-kick stated, "Do we really want a man in office who brags about having sex with married women? Wow!"

Are they so threatened by an alpha?

Blogger Nate February 27, 2016 10:26 AM  

I will say this though... what do you think is more like... Trump deports 10 million people in 4 years.. or Trump trades amnesty for a wall to be built some time in the future.

You know..

Like Reagan did.

Blogger Nate February 27, 2016 10:27 AM  

"Are they so threatened by an alpha? "

No. They are scared of losing their bullshit jobs and influence.

Blogger JDC February 27, 2016 10:28 AM  

A moderate is the fellow that yells at the firemen about all the damage they are doing to the house by flooding it with water.

Or stands in front of the firefighters, shooting squirt guns in the air in support of fighting fires, truly believing they are helping while the whole thing burns.

Anonymous Instasetting February 27, 2016 10:29 AM  

As RSM showed, we saw this with 'the witch' who might not have been the greatest candidate evar, but she was the nominee, and her RINO rival with Karl Rove's help encouraged R's to vote D.

Same thing with Christ 'Orange Man' versus Marco Rubio.

The country club republicans would rather lose to a democrat, than let a conservative or tea party or libertarian win. They love their perks and deals more than their responsibilities.

Blogger David-093 February 27, 2016 10:33 AM  

@Nate

Anybody that runs for office is always more likely to betray you than keep his promises. It's the nature of the beast. If Trump keeps his promises, we win. If Trump lies, we win because it'll destroy whatever faith people had in peacefully resolving this national problem.

Blogger Wrangler February 27, 2016 10:34 AM  

Amen, his enemies define him, positively, more than his friends. That's why I jumped on the train.

Anonymous VFM 3061 "Chief Who Notice Things" February 27, 2016 10:36 AM  

@1037
Aside from The typo: shouldda been (((donor class)))
I think we have a thread winner in only 8 posts.

The fact that Trump isn't a politician whore (but I repeat myself) is why I suspect they'll stop him 1 way or another. Can't have the serfs noticing who's really in charge or they might start grabbing pitchforks. Also, (((we))) need to do something about pitchfork control ASAP!!!


Anonymous Dave February 27, 2016 10:36 AM  

Nate wrote:

The only people who are really scared of what's going on the republcian establishment. This notion that this will kill the party because he can't win is particularly funny... because all this establishment has done since 2006 is pick losers.

The GOP establishment has proven it can't win.



Yes that is particularly funny. Winning is not always their highest objective.

OpenID bc64a9f8-765e-11e3-8683-000bcdcb2996 February 27, 2016 10:45 AM  

Money shot:
"...Conservative donors engaged a major GOP consulting firm..."

CaptDMO

Blogger 8to12 February 27, 2016 10:46 AM  

We need to lay out a SCORCHED EARTH strategy now, and publicize it to the GOP establishment, as a deterrent to them playing these types of games.

I've notices a few scenarios (like the one above) where it becomes obvious that the GOP will become an impediment that must be eliminated before we can reach our goals. The quickest way to eliminate the GOP is to eliminate their office holders AT EVERY LEVEL OF GOVERNMENT--from President down to dog catcher.

The GOP can survive the base staying home and sitting on its hands. It can't survive the base showing up to vote against every GOP candidate. And no, I don't mean voting third party, I mean voting for the candidate most likely to defeat the Republican in the race, which in most instances will be the Democrat.

If we do that in every race--senator, congressman, governor, state representative, mayor, county commissioner, sheriff, and dog catcher--we can eliminate the GOP's office holders, and without office holders they will cease to function as a party. It might take a couple of cycles to crash the party, but it can be done.

Yea, I know it's a radical plan, but if it becomes obvious that we can't move forward with the GOP in place, it's the only plan I can envision to remove it.

It also becomes the stick to the carrot. It gives us a tangible threat to hold over the GOP's head should they not accept our carrot. (getting behind our chosen candidate for president).

Blogger Derek Kite February 27, 2016 10:46 AM  

Trump calls his opponents stupid, and indeed they are. No matter whether you agree with him or not he represents a sizable number of people, many who usually don't vote. If they were interested in power they would leap at the opportunity to harness that energy and enthusiasm.

But no, they are stupid.

I fail to see how insulting 45% of your electorate is anything but blitheringly stupid.

Blogger Werekoala1066 February 27, 2016 10:49 AM  

Talk about the ultimate example of "...the party left me!"

Blogger Joshua Sinistar February 27, 2016 10:50 AM  

The problem I have with moderates is that they will back you up but they won't stand by you. If you need someone to stand shoulder to shoulder with you, these guys are worse than useless. They are also worthless for watching your back because they have no fight in them.
All true conservatives are really moderates. Etremists do the fighting, while moderates do nothing but pontificate and talk. Talk is cheap. Extremists may turn off people with their extreme talk and views, but they're the ones who fight. All conservatives do is talk and talk. Its all principles and legalism with them. They won't get down and dirty. They don't want to get their hands dirty. Dirty jobs need extremists, because they're not afraid to get their hands dirty.

Blogger Werekoala1066 February 27, 2016 10:53 AM  

#27 -

What the left doesn't understand (thankfully) is that the more they use labels like, racist, sexist, bigot, homophobe, etc. the less impact (or even meaning) they have. That's why they're increasingly resorting to more confrontational and even violent tactics - they've disarmed themselves in a way, when words that a decade ago would have shut down the conversation don't even slow anyone down anymore.

Blogger haus frau February 27, 2016 10:56 AM  

I was listening to Michael Berry in traffic yesterday. Yet another example of complete out of touch condescension. Michael likes to bill himself as a good old boy Texan and yet goes out of his way to make fun. Of and patronize the redneck rubes voting for trump,exaggerated accent and everything. He got into Trump's line about having such loyal voters he could shoot someone and not lose support. Michael went full pearl-clutching old woman with the vapors on that line. "I mean he's talking about murder! Actual killing someone! AND his people would juse fine with that"
Like Berry has never heard loving parents jest that they could strangle their kids. He is normally a savvy guy and yet appears to have a complete blind spot to how this spergy tantrum comes off to people who have said "I could just strangle those damn kids". The more they grasp at straws the more they play into Trump's hand.

OpenID bc64a9f8-765e-11e3-8683-000bcdcb2996 February 27, 2016 10:56 AM  

Oops...Facebook only at Politico...?
Let me iterate here.

"Conservative donors..." ....."the group".
Sorry, you're JUST going to have to do better than that.
Based on history and stuff. I have NO reason to believe..
1. Such "inside information" is at the disposal of Scott Bland.
2. Is anything but unverifiable damage control for self promotion of a previously flailed PR firm.
CaptDMO

Anonymous A Pardigm Is More Than Twenty Cents February 27, 2016 10:57 AM  

Moderates debate like women. "It's different when we do it!". In my opinion, this is not a coincidence. What if we could get Testosterone data on 1,000 samples vs. 1,000 Ilk. The numbers could be interesting.

Blogger Blaster February 27, 2016 11:01 AM  

I remain a bit confused by your definition of moderate.

It seems to me that employing a philosophy of moderation does not mean that you have to be weak and clueless. Caesar Augustus was considered moderate ruler but was notoriously ruthless and ambitious as well.

Anonymous VFM #6306 February 27, 2016 11:02 AM  

Nate, I fully expect a negotiated amnesty. But at least that will guarantee no second term. If it had been Rubio, it would have been guaranteed amnesty, no wall.

Sometimes you are stuck with picking the more entertaining of two evils.

Anonymous VFM #6306 February 27, 2016 11:05 AM  

So how much do you trust Augustus not to nail you to a cross for your militancy, Blaster?

Hint: moderates can kill you. That is not a weakness of power but trustworthiness.

Blogger pyrrhus February 27, 2016 11:11 AM  

The Republican establishment and their donors are mainly interested in keeping the gravy train rolling, which has resulted in the area around DC being the wealthiest place in the country, while the middle of the country sinks into a depression. Trump is a threat to that...

Blogger pyrrhus February 27, 2016 11:14 AM  

Fortunately, it would be very difficult to get an "independent" on the ballot in most states at this point.....I thought it was supposed to be Bloomberg, but they figured out that he would probably help Trump....

Blogger Miguel D'Anconia February 27, 2016 11:34 AM  

A moderate is simply someone too stupid, lazy or both to have an opinion. Worthless as tits on a boar hog.

Anonymous BigGayKoranBurner February 27, 2016 12:05 PM  

moderate is the fellow that yells at the firemen about all the damage they are doing to the house by flooding it with water while tweeting #flaminglivesmatter

are crossing over wanting to be on the winning side.

Everyone wants to get in front of a parade, even one of armed angry men.

I am a bit surprised that these guys with trillions on the line didn't properly game this out for a spoiler like Trump

It was inconceivable that they couldn't drag Jeb over the nomination line, if it goes to a brokered convention they still might nominate him.

The cucks are blowing gaskets left and right...Scott_Ott I didn't realize Scott Ott sucked cuck

Vox, you're not advocating murder are you?

Might be mercy killing, what nurses that worked in 100+ deg temps with no power/water/HVAC in NO after Katrina where accused of doing to people that couldn't live without machines.

It's too early in the morning for such drastic measures He is in a different time zone 5+hours ahead of you. Easy tell of an American that has never called home from another continent.

Could anyone imagine if there's another terror attack later in the year? Trump

What if the terror attack took out the 3 jewish supremes and the wise Latrina? I have heard they draw pictures of Moo Ham Mad blowing a pig.

Timing is everything when billions are on the line.

Timing is everything when shorting a business/economy you stabbed in the back.

"Do we really want a man in office who brags about having sex with married women?

Bill C wouldn't even have sex with the woman he married.

where it becomes obvious that the GOP will become an impediment

The GOPe agreed to never investigate voter fraud in vibrant districts after leftists played the race card when voter fraud was caught.

Blogger Elocutioner February 27, 2016 12:12 PM  

RedJack wrote:Trump is running a very cheap campaign because he is the type of guy who used to buy access. Now he is just jumping over the gatekeepers and going right to the real consumer/product. The Voters.

I thought Reagan was considered The Great Communicator because he talked like an average American directly to the average American, bypassing the media filter. Trump does that and he's called stupid, a rube, and a buffoon. Just like Reagan. Predictable results to follow.

And now, after the stunning success of the NRO 22 (where I learned Sowell is a sellout) the geniuses of smart are trending #NeverTrump. A mass snarking about the stupidity of Trump voters by TrueCons will surely win the day! Brilliant!

Anonymous FP February 27, 2016 12:13 PM  

This is what amazes me about some of the anti-trump people. Even those who follow politics seem to have forgotten about Murcowski in Alaska. The GOPe has no problem going the independent route when it serves them. But oh no, Trump should sign a pledge. To have Mittens come out and hit Trump on his taxes... even the Huckster from Arkansas couldn't defend that on Fox News with Cavuto the other day.

Blogger Rusty Fife February 27, 2016 12:13 PM  

haus frau wrote:I was listening to Michael Berry in traffic yesterday.

You know, I blew off the Houston Comical 'gay bar' expose of him in the past. However, I'm beginning to rethink the consequence of it in light of the Hastert-pedophile-homosexual axis of the GOPe. The photo of his wife and adopted kids is really sealing the deal with me. She's not even cute.

He's admitted to being a good friend with Ted Cruz; which probably effects his judgement.

OpenID sigbouncer February 27, 2016 12:22 PM  

Here is a link to what is going on in much greater detail from Roger Stone.

Ted Cruz called Trump and offered to drop out of the race if Trump would guarantee him the Supreme Court Nomination. Trump told him no.

There is also a link below where you can help stop the stealing of the election from Trump via Roger Stone's group.

http://www.infowars.com/breaking-insider-leaks-koch-bros-rubio-plan-to-stop-trump/

http://donate.tctrag.org/

Blogger Anthony February 27, 2016 12:24 PM  

There's moderation, and there's moderation. Used to be that a hard-core libertarian would be considered a "moderate" because some of his beliefs were left-wing and others were right-wing. But that's a different sort of moderation than what Vox is talking about.

By some measures, Trump is a moderate. On issues other than immigration and Muslims, Trump's presidency would likely be more centrist than Cruz, Rubio, or even ¡Jeb!

But Donald Trump is not a moderate man. Compare his personal style to Christie. Stylistically, Christie is basically a moderate Trump. Before Trump jumped in, if you wanted a loudmouth New Yorker who wasn't afraid to offend people who weren't going to vote for him anyway, and could be as insulting to his proponents as a progressive, Christie was your man. But Christie would soften the blow at the last minute, while Trump turns it up to 11.

OpenID sigbouncer February 27, 2016 12:29 PM  

"Perhaps Nate should contact these donors and reassure them that Trump is no threat and will betray America as they wish every President to do."

If you wanna really know what Trump will do watch this guy who actually knows Trump.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xt4oRhINk2E

Blogger Lovekraft February 27, 2016 12:30 PM  

@ 68 Elocutioner: could you provide a link or some specifics re Thomas Sowell?

There's a website called Moonbattery which was heavy right-of-center, shining a light on progressivism's evils across the whole spectrum. Then they came out full-on anti-Trump about a month ago. Interesting times. This wouldn't be a case of sjw entryism (see Cracked.com for an example of this) as the producers wouldn't let them anywhere near their website. No, other non-sjw parties want to stump the Trump.

Could the cucks be the right-of-center equivalent to sjws?

Blogger James Dixon February 27, 2016 12:33 PM  

> Timing is everything when shorting a business/economy you stabbed in the back.

Isn't that what I said. :)

Blogger SciVo February 27, 2016 12:44 PM  

It is rather funny, though, that the rules the moderates installed to permit a Romney clone to keep out the Ronulans are going to seal Trump's victory sooner rather than later.

Yes. The strongest argument against Cruz's viability is that Trump has hijacked the mechanism that was specifically designed to block a momentum candidate like him (or Paul).

It would've been an uphill battle for him no matter what; the only difference is that he isn't getting beat by Bush. So I don't know if it's any consolation for his supporters, but he'll have a much more honorable loss than the one the party intended.

As I reflect on that, I think it makes a difference. Losing to Pocket Turtle would've stuck a fork in his ambitions. Done. Cooked. Over. But there can be no shame in losing to Big Beautiful Wall.

Cruz and Rubio are young enough that they have plenty of time to try for different leadership positions, and I think they've been elevated by the quality of their opposition, just as Megan Kelly was.

I know, I know: it isn't over yet. But it feels like it.

Blogger SciVo February 27, 2016 12:53 PM  

Lovekraft wrote:There's a website called Moonbattery which was heavy right-of-center, shining a light on progressivism's evils across the whole spectrum. Then they came out full-on anti-Trump about a month ago. Interesting times. This wouldn't be a case of sjw entryism (see Cracked.com for an example of this) as the producers wouldn't let them anywhere near their website. No, other non-sjw parties want to stump the Trump.

Could the cucks be the right-of-center equivalent to sjws?


I don't think so. SJWs are dangerous enemies; cucks are dangerous allies. So they feel the same to us, but their nature is completely different.

Also, cucks aren't necessarily malicious. For example, they aren't wrong about Trump not being a conservative; they're just over-weighting the left-right axis. Feminism, statism and globalism are the most important axes right now, and globalism is the most urgent.

Blogger Elocutioner February 27, 2016 12:53 PM  

http://townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/2016/01/22/do-emotions-trump-facts-n2108178

This is his NRO 22 article. Reads like an emoting teenage girl, full of imputed motives, lies, and half-truths. Lost all respect on him on anything outside of economics.

Anonymous FP February 27, 2016 1:01 PM  

Mark Steyn on fighting back against the left (30s in):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJwV8boFfF0

"If you fight back as hard as the left does for its causes, your cause can be won."

But moderates say that is just too mean. Its not nice.

OpenID sigbouncer February 27, 2016 1:01 PM  

Sowell is the perfect example of 'Those who can, do... Those who can't, talk about it (or teach at a University).

Wonder how a guy like this even got into Harvard in being a High School drop out?

http://townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/

Thomas Sowell was born in North Carolina and grew up in Harlem. As with many others in his neighborhood, Thomas Sowell left home early and did not finish high school. The next few years were difficult ones, but eventually he joined the Marine Corps and became a photographer in the Korean War. After leaving the service, Thomas Sowell entered Harvard University, worked a part-time job as a photographer and studied the science that would become his passion and

profession: economics.

After graduating magna cum laude from Harvard University (1958), Thomas Sowell went on to receive his master's in economics from Columbia University (1959) and a doctorate in economics from the University of Chicago (1968).

In the early '60s, Sowell held jobs as an economist with the Department of Labor and AT&T. But his real interest was in teaching and scholarship. In 1965, at Cornell University, Sowell began the first of many professorships. Thomas Sowell's other teaching assignments include Rutgers University, Amherst College, Brandeis University and the University of California at Los Angeles, where he taught in the early '70s and also from 1984 to 1989.

Blogger haus frau February 27, 2016 1:06 PM  

Rusty Fife wrote:haus frau wrote:I was listening to Michael Berry in traffic yesterday.

You know, I blew off the Houston Comical 'gay bar' expose of him in the past. However, I'm beginning to rethink the consequence of it in light of the Hastert-pedophile-homosexual axis of the GOPe. The photo of his wife and adopted kids is really sealing the deal with me. She's not even cute.

He's admitted to being a good friend with Ted Cruz; which probably effects his judgement.


Speaking as a woman, I can understand marrying below oneself in looks if the other qualities are outstanding. As a Christian, I can understand adopting as a charitable duty. However, willfully taking yourself out of the gene pool in favor of children who share nothing of your genetic legacy in any way on purpose when you have abundant resources in all other respects is just bizarre. It is the height of the equalist cult. Like a good cuck he does occasionally mention them to deflect accusations of racism when he goes after black ghetto culture but at least he does go after black ghetto culture, sometimes quite pointedly. I keep bringing up Berry because he is one of the more populist-libertarianish pundits. He should understand what's going on with the people but is either blinded by his friendship with Cruz or purposely trying to steer the narrative away from the GOP's failures. I'm disgusted by the switch and bait where he waxes affectionate toward rednecks who drink beer and road-hunt, even including himself in that group only to flip and make fun of the same people as inbred, banjo playing retards when they don't play the game the establishment has laid out for them. Naturally, every pro-Trump caller he puts on sounds like a drunk freshly dredged up the swamp by the local trailer park.

Blogger The Other Robot February 27, 2016 1:19 PM  

@63: Their plan B is Mittens?

Holy shit: Release the secret weapon!

Anonymous BigGayKoranBurner February 27, 2016 1:36 PM  

However, willfully taking yourself out of the gene pool in favor of children who share nothing of your genetic legacy in any way on purpose when you have abundant resources in all other respects is just bizarre

I used to think that the only people pushing for gays to adopt on the adoption side were those looking for someone to take the black HIV+ crack babies. P Town had a "family" week where people would walk their niglets about, but now GLBT can adopt white kids. The only studies showing BGLT being good parents compare them to Latrina and her 21 crackbabies, not people who can afford to spend over $50k to adopt, making a non-black kid a Gucci bag.

OpenID sigbouncer February 27, 2016 1:41 PM  

"@63: Their plan B is Mittens?

Holy shit: Release the secret weapon!"

No doubt, huh? In the states they seem to think he could be disruptive in (Cali, NJ, Ma)... He lost them to Obama with only a 39%, 42% and 39% rake.

Anonymous Mark Goldberg Horowitz Cohen February 27, 2016 2:14 PM  

Vox as a Caucasian and long time GOP voter, I just can't support Trump. This man will be a disaster.

The US has no greater friend than Israel, and what is Trump doing for them? Nothing.

Blogger SciVo February 27, 2016 2:20 PM  

JDC wrote:The word WOW was used often. At one point, Beck's side-kick stated, "Do we really want a man in office who brags about having sex with married women? Wow!"

The "wow" tell: "When a pundit or stranger on the Internet starts a comment with “Wow,” as if shocked by an opinion, that is a tell for cognitive dissonance. That is anger disconnected from reason. People who have reasons for disagreeing offer them right away, because doing so is the strongest counter-argument. “Wow” usually indicates you are feeling persuasion that violates your self-image as a person with smart opinions."

Blogger haus frau February 27, 2016 2:23 PM  

Mark Goldberg Horowitz Cohen wrote:Vox as a Caucasian and long time GOP voter, I just can't support Trump. This man will be a disaster.

The US has no greater friend than Israel, and what is Trump doing for them? Nothing.


Are you for real? If you were American you'd be asking what he can do for the US

Anonymous The other robot February 27, 2016 2:32 PM  

@77:I saw what you did there so I will refrain from changing 'friend' to 'parasite.'

Blogger CM February 27, 2016 2:43 PM  

The US has no greater friend than Israel, and what is Trump doing for them? Nothing.

I'm sure hispanic/muslim, bankrupt, financially collapsed, 3rd world america would make an EXCELLENT ally for Israel.

Blogger kh123 February 27, 2016 2:50 PM  

For him who puts too far from shore, it's hard to make the harbor later on. Now, everything needs to be thought of at once.

So much for those Romney loyalty oaths. Suppose it's asking too much to not expect this whole lesson to go down the collective memory hole for a side that - yes, don't laugh - sells itself as the pragmatic/dialectic end of the political spectrum. That knows its history.

Well, alright. They wanted anyone other than Paul. The GOP had it's Fire Decree/Enabling Act with Capt Underoos. The guilt tripping about dividing and throwing away a vote amounting to a vote for Obama; quiet the Paul supporters, this is a respectable party meeting; "Give Us Barabbas!," etc.

Fine. Now it's your turn, whitened sepulchers; no more smoke-filled backroom dealings to save you. Throw out the bones of contention, crawl out and cast your loyalty vote.

Blogger Blaster February 27, 2016 3:12 PM  

A moderate is simply someone too stupid, lazy or both to have an opinion.

I prefer to view moderation as a oft-applicable philosophy rather than an identity. I am moderate on some things and not moderate on others. Not every battle is worth risking everything to win and premature judgments made in ignorance are stupid.

I think that usually when Vox counsels not to trust the loyalty of "moderates" on a particular issue, he's absolutely right. For any given issue, a moderate will often be weaker or more likely to subvert your goals. But it is foolish to assume that all moderates are moderate out of ignorance, weakness, laziness, or stupidity.

VD's comment threads are quite moderate, for example. The rules themselves establish reasonable boundaries and are quite permissive within those boundaries. He gives anyone breaking rules or simply behaving like a moron plenty of fair warning before taking any coercive action; and often explains any actions that he decides are necessary.

Blogger Elocutioner February 27, 2016 3:16 PM  

Mark Goldberg Horowitz Cohen wrote:The US has no greater friend than Israel, and what is Trump doing for them? Nothing.

Oh, for crying out loud people - obvious troll is obvious. Just look at the name! He's just a hateful caricature, a racist stereotype! Nobody actually talks like that...

https://twitter.com/jpodhoretz/status/703059383358529536

Uh...

Blogger Blaster February 27, 2016 3:20 PM  

For a reverse example: I am technically moderate on immigration, in that I think the best immigration policy is moderately permissive. But I am realistic enough to accept that the existing immigration policy is not remotely moderate and requires extreme opposition to achieve anything, and thus support Trump and even his wall (though I have some reservations that there aren't better alternatives, like cracking down on businesses)

Does that make me a moderate or not?

Blogger Joshua Sinistar February 27, 2016 3:26 PM  

Etremism is the cause of Liberty is no vice. Anyone who is moderate about existential threats to their lives is either a coward or a fool. Neither of these is welcome in my camp. Make no mistake, this is War.
Politics is War by other means, but I prefer the real thing. All this empty pretty talk of compromise and tolerance turns my stomach and makes my Roman ancestors shout for revenge. What care have I for Trump? In other times his candidacy would be a joke. He has not ascended through gravitas, but through the lameness of the other horses in the race. In a field of nags, being the strong horse is hardly difficult.
However, this is just empty talk. By hook or by crook the Party of Lincoln will kill Trump's coronation and get a sad sack to take a dive against the New York Hillbilly Granny. Winning means nothing to these whores. They get paid either way. Its a sad pathetic spectacle. That token negro Ben Casey Carson is merely milking the donors to have a good time being the Uncle Tom showing the White folks to love Die-vershitty. To Cubano homo towel boys from the pool of primordial ooze are getting ready to sell out YT for brown supremacy. Some fake Zionist judeo-xtian is telling the Evangelicals that we must sacrifice our lives and children to save Jizzreal and the Babylonian colonists. Yeah whatever, Lincoln.
This is War. Even if you don't know it now, you will get it soon. Trust me, you won't get anything from playing someone else's game where they make the rules up as they go along. Enjoy your snipe hunt. I'm getting ready to shoot live targets.

Blogger Were-Puppy February 27, 2016 3:35 PM  

I really hope these goofs pick Bloomberg

Anonymous Hoss February 27, 2016 3:41 PM  

Donald's focused on making deals after he's elected, at least that we he keeps saying. That's the same shit that's got us to where we're at: giving democrats half of what they want, and getting the camel's nose in the tent so that they can eventually get everything they want, bit by bit. So the grand deal maker sounds like more of the same to me (and does anyone truly believe he's going to make government smaller). Even if The Donald builds the wall, so what. Honestly, I think this country is gone; we're just trying to keep it on life support.

Blogger paradox February 27, 2016 3:50 PM  

@18 Michael Maier
Independent? WHO?



Don't put it past the neocon scum to support Michael Bloomberg, independent run.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar February 27, 2016 3:52 PM  

All of you just don't get it do you? You are America. America is a people not a country. This land is our soil, but your blood makes America what it is. These immivaders will never be Americans. They don't even want to be. They just came for the cheese. There ain't no such thing as a free lunch. You will pay either way. Get your money's worth and don't waste your time saving the country, and save yourselves. You are America.

Blogger Were-Puppy February 27, 2016 3:55 PM  

@63 sigbouncer

There is also a link below where you can help stop the stealing of the election from Trump via Roger Stone's group.

---

So their big plan is to slip in the guy that millions stayed home and didn't vote for last time? BRILLIANT!

Blogger Matt Edwards February 27, 2016 3:59 PM  

The people on this forum didn't actually think their opponents would just lay down and die for them, did they?

Blogger Were-Puppy February 27, 2016 4:06 PM  

@77 Mark Goldberg Horowitz Cohen

The US has no greater friend than Israel, and what is Trump doing for them? Nothing.
---

He is running for president of US, not Israel. They will be outside the Big Beautiful Wall :P

Anonymous BGKB February 27, 2016 4:50 PM  

Are you for real? If you were American you'd be asking what he can do for the US

You would at least think he would have included a more jewish name than Mark. Schroeder's jew, wanting the same for your homeland that jews want in theirs makes you a NOT SEE.

I really hope these goofs pick Bloomberg

He wants to ban guns, salt shakers, & 20oz sodas his only chance of winning is making a deal with the (((diebold))) voting machine HQ

The people on this forum didn't actually think their opponents would just lay down and die for them, did they?

If we can find a way to make "lay down and die" appear to be a way of virtue signaling. #LayDownNDieSoNonAsianMinoritiesBeEqual

Blogger Halifax Donair February 27, 2016 5:25 PM  

How many of these conservative donors are Sheldon Adelson?

Anonymous Jack Amok February 27, 2016 5:36 PM  

The people on this forum didn't actually think their opponents would just lay down and die for them, did they?

No, we expect you to stand up and dance for us.

Anonymous Ain February 27, 2016 5:44 PM  

@39 "Or stands in front of the firefighters, shooting squirt guns in the air in support of fighting fires, truly believing they are helping while the whole thing burns."

That's giving them too much credit. All they do is complain about both sides.

Blogger Halifax Donair February 27, 2016 5:45 PM  

@78 Ah yes, the sham wow .

Blogger James Dixon February 27, 2016 5:53 PM  

> Donald's focused on making deals after he's elected, at least that we he keeps saying. That's the same shit that's got us to where we're at:

Complete capitulation (what our Congress has done for the past 7 years) is not "making deals".

Anonymous average bob February 27, 2016 6:12 PM  

You are replacing the white Anglo-Saxon founder population with 3rd world at a,moderate rate

Blogger Ezekiel February 27, 2016 6:13 PM  

Lots of Cruzfags in my neck of the woods. I take pleasure in reminding them that they voted for a MORMON last time around.

Well, I did at one point. Now I don't even care what they think since I know good and well that come election time they're going to do what they're told and vote for Trump. They may whine about it, but at the end of the day the "moderates" will follow orders. It's what they do.

Blogger John Morris February 27, 2016 6:41 PM  

I have been trying to push a meme, am I making a mistake with it?

As things stand today, there is only one remaining faction with agency, the Establishment. NR did it's big thing along with pretty much everyone else that stopping Trump is the only priority, all other considerations secondary. But their actions do not agree with the words.

The race at this point is basically Rock, Paper, Scissors Somebody is going to eventually drop out and leave two. Or if all three remain in, Trump wins anyway.

Trump beats Rubio because Cruz can't command enough of his anti-establishment and anti-amnesty voters to move to Rubio. Assuming he actually wanted to.

Rubio beats Cruz because that is the Establishment vs Conservative fight we have seen in 1976, 1996, 2000, 2008, 2012. Ok, so it is Rubio instead of Jeb! but same thing. Only Trump, as the frontrunner, has no reason to drop and allow that scenario.

Cruz beats Trump because Rubio voters are obedient Party folk who would obey the order to get behind Cruz. And most fear/hate Trump anyway.

So the Establishment is the only one who is in a position to act in a way that would change the outcome. They wouldn't get their amnesty guy but they would retain influence by being on the winning side. They do nothing. Nothing in this case is still a choice.

Blogger dienw February 27, 2016 6:56 PM  

The US has no greater friend than Israel, and what is Trump doing for them? Nothing.

As an awake Christian, we have no greater enemy than the Ashkenazim. When the true Israelites are brought back from their dispersal among the nations, that synagogue of Satan will be removed.

Anonymous BGKB February 27, 2016 7:51 PM  

Speaking of moderates Lindsey Gram attacks everyone to the right of him
http://www.thedailysheeple.com/my-party-has-gone-bats-crazy-was-lindsey-graham-drunk-when-he-admitted-total-gop-defeat-in-this-hilarious-speech-roasting-everyone_022016

"“If you killed Ted Cruz on the floor of the Senate, and the trial was in the Senate, nobody would convict you,” Graham said, referencing the Tea Party senator’s unpopular reputation with his colleagues."

Blogger Were-Puppy February 27, 2016 8:27 PM  

@94 BGKB
I really hope these goofs pick Bloomberg

He wants to ban guns, salt shakers, & 20oz sodas his only chance of winning is making a deal with the (((diebold))) voting machine HQ
---

Exactly

Anonymous Spartacus xxxxx February 27, 2016 8:32 PM  

Halifax Donair wrote:@78 Ah yes, the sham wow .

I'm totally sold. Can I get that in Trump?

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr February 27, 2016 8:51 PM  

A third party alternative probably won't work. You need a candidate...someone with the public standing to crush Trump and Clinton/Biden. There's nobody out there with that sort of clout. Norman Schwartzkof could have done it, but he's no longer with us.

No. The smart move is to shut up, back Trump, and play the long game.

Blogger Rantor February 27, 2016 10:04 PM  

Breitbart has a great article describing the actual actions of Marco Rubio. Big, internationalist open-borders liberal: Supported amnesty, in-state tuition for aliens, sanctuary cities, etc. The kind of guy who must be stopped. Can't wait for Super Trumpday and the great Trumpening.

Blogger Were-Puppy February 27, 2016 10:15 PM  

Rubios biggest con was to somehow be seen as a Tea Party darling

Anonymous Hoss February 27, 2016 10:55 PM  

Complete capitulation (what our Congress has done for the past 7 years)...

Get up to speed: I'm talking about what they've been doing the last 70.

Blogger tz February 28, 2016 1:45 PM  

Moderates always equivocate so you can never say they lied or told the truth.
Moderates always obfuscate so when called on something aggressively, they are like a squid that clouds the water with ink.
Moderates always are trying to be agreeable while never actually agreeing - they usually say they agree with two mutually contradictory things, e.g. red or blue? yes!

Post a Comment

Rules of the blog
Please do not comment as "Anonymous". Comments by "Anonymous" will be spammed.

<< Home

Newer Posts Older Posts