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Thursday, February 25, 2016

No, that's not it

It's amazing how many so-called pundits and analysts are casting about, looking everywhere except at the real reason, in their attempts to explain why Trump supporters are angry:
Bernie Supporters’ Hatred Of Work Is Why Trump Supporters Are So Mad.

The cultural disconnect about the value of work explains why there’s an open revolt in both parties and the future seems so uncertain.... Indeed, it is precisely this cultural disconnect about the value of work that explains why there’s an open revolt in both parties and the future seems so uncertain.

If any one issue defines this election, it’s economic stagnation. Many Trump supporters in the GOP feel left behind by the twenty-first-century economy. They’re angry about it, because our “follow your bliss” culture doesn’t begin to appreciate coal miners or people who work in brake disc factories, even as it obsessively venerates empty celebrity and people like social media executives and hedge fund managers who are filthy rich in spite of the fact their contributions to society aren’t very tangible.

Combine that with the self-loathing these guys feel from, say, being laid off and having to fake a fibromyagia diagnosis so they can collect disability and feed their families, and you have tremendous resentment.

Trump was not only canny enough to speak to this, but he still remains arguably the only candidate to forthrightly talk about issues such as immigration that are feeding this anxiety, even if he speaks about them with great ignorance. It’s regrettable in many ways, but it’s also not a mystery why 30 percent of Republicans are lining up to support a lunatic who has (allegedly) made a lot of money and wields considerable influence despite now being despised by our cultural betters.
What a prodigiously stupid headline. And what a transparently futile attempt to redirect that anger to the conventional Bad Democrat Good Republican channel. As usual, conservatives have it completely backwards. Americans are struggling economically, in part due to the economic policies that have caused their real wages to peak in 1973. But that merely exacerbates the anger that they feel at their country being subject to the largest invasion in human history, an invasion of 60 million that is nearly 16 times larger than Hitler's invasion of the Soviet Union.

They want their country back. They want to see America be great again, not prostrate before the boots and burqahs of foreign invaders.

That is why they are angry.

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91 Comments:

Blogger Dexter February 25, 2016 12:32 PM  

Any time the Republicans win (or look like they will win) the media trots out the "angry white male" explanation. Nothing else could explain it but hate, and racism, and hateful racism.

Anonymous Sam the Man February 25, 2016 12:36 PM  

Yup,, well said

Anonymous Broken Arrow February 25, 2016 12:48 PM  

I was originally surprised to see the GOP Establishment like NRO demonize 25-50% of the conservative base depending upon how you judge Trump's popularity, but then I saw that they don't want that percentage in their vision of the future.

They don't understand that their time is at an end, not a sizable portion of the base.

OpenID sigbouncer February 25, 2016 12:48 PM  

It's pure manipulation to keep the two political parties relevant in the minds of the weak. There is almost nothing worth reading on the political front these days.

Ben Domenech, the plagiarist that he is continues to beat the anti Trump drums at both TheFederalist and RedState. A few hours ago their headlines were "Mitt Romney trolls Trump like a boss".

Domenech and his crooked crew aren't worth the dump in my yard that the dog just finished taking.

Anonymous DavidKathome February 25, 2016 12:49 PM  

There were people years ago who would insist that Trump was not a billionaire. He released his financial records to run for President and they show he is a billionaire. What is this allegedly nonsense? He didn't start with billions, so he did make a lot of money.

OpenID sigbouncer February 25, 2016 12:51 PM  

Just to add to @4

That crew are all Bush marks who can't stand Trump. Domenech was the youngest political appointee of the George W. Bush administration.

Blogger MATT February 25, 2016 12:54 PM  

But Nate says he's a poopoo head and a kaka poopoo.

Anonymous Golden Flowers February 25, 2016 12:55 PM  

Trump supporters are angry because they are losers who couldn't cut it and think society owes them happiness

OpenID b1bae96e-6447-11e3-b6bb-000f20980440 February 25, 2016 12:59 PM  

I keep telling them there is nothing inherently conservative about free trade. That for the majority of our history our entire federal government was funded by taxes on imports. But its like US economic policy didn't exist before 1990 with these people.


I love the bemoaning about the lack of protestant work ethic when we have been flooding the country with Catholics, Muslims, Buddhists, and Hindus over the last 50 years. As if somehow protestant has nothing to do with the values he seeks to bring back. I don't know if that is better or worse than magic dirt theory.

Will Best

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr February 25, 2016 1:01 PM  

I'm a Cruz supporter (actually, a refugee, my first two picks were Perry and Walker), but I understand Trump's support.

He's grabbed the immigration issue, which has been a hot button among the GOP base for a decade. Then he's added optimism. "Make America Great Again". The "how" does not matter, it's the idea that we CAN be Great Again.

I haven't seen a Republican candidate this cheerful since Reagan...and yes, I'm old enough to remember both his 1980 campaign and the 1976 campaign.

Blogger ray February 25, 2016 1:03 PM  

Oh give it a rest with The Wall. You own El Paso Concrete or something?

Anonymous Frank B Luke February 25, 2016 1:07 PM  

@7 Trump supporters are angry because they are losers who couldn't cut it and think society owes them happiness

Let's fix this.

Sanders supporters are angry because they are losers who couldn't cut it and think society owes them happiness.

Better. Or...

Hillary is angry because she is a loser who couldn't cut it herself and thinks society owes her happiness.

Either is true. Your first was not.

Anonymous VFM #6306 February 25, 2016 1:10 PM  

Trump is a lot like Nate, actually. He sees all sorts of bad mojo going down around him but it somehow doesn't make him a cynic. Instead, he's quite cheery about his prospects and the prospects of those who are with him. People are drawn to that.

Blogger Matamoros February 25, 2016 1:11 PM  

Right on Vox. We want the America we and our ancestors built. We did not build the country for other peoples - we built it for us and our posterity.

These invaders, and our cuck leaders, have stolen our patrimony and we want it back.

Blogger Joshua_D February 25, 2016 1:13 PM  

Golden Flowers February 25, 2016 12:55 PM

Trump supporters are angry because they are losers who couldn't cut it and think society owes them happiness


Every time a LibProg bashes Trump supporters, 10 more Trump supporters receive their golden comb-over. And the glorious army grows.

Blogger CM February 25, 2016 1:13 PM  

the "angry white male" explanation.

That's why facebook has "angry" buttons.

You only disagree cuz you're a grumpy, angry, white man.

Blogger James Dixon February 25, 2016 1:14 PM  

> Trump supporters are angry because they are losers who couldn't cut it and think society owes them happiness

Projection at it's finest. The SJW tryouts are over that way. --> https://www.huffingtonpost.com/

> I haven't seen a Republican candidate this cheerful since Reagan...and yes, I'm old enough to remember both his 1980 campaign and the 1976 campaign.

Agreed. Trump is enjoying this campaign.

Anonymous VFM #6306 February 25, 2016 1:14 PM  

Typo in the article's headline. "Mad" should be spelled "ANGWY" all caps.

Blogger James Dixon February 25, 2016 1:15 PM  

> But Nate says he's a poopoo head and a kaka poopoo.

He's a Yankee. What do you expect Nate to say?

Blogger Joshua_D February 25, 2016 1:17 PM  

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Anonymous Bah February 25, 2016 1:18 PM  

I keep telling them there is nothing inherently conservative about free trade.

It is inherently UN-conservative.

It does not conserve jobs, technology, or industrial capacity.

Blogger CM February 25, 2016 1:19 PM  

He's a Yankee. What do you expect Nate to say?

For a second, I thought you called Nate a yankee. Was gonna ask what's your death wish?

Blogger Alexander February 25, 2016 1:19 PM  

If it's true that Romney can 'troll like a boss', then it's telling that he didn't use that particular talent agaist Obama and "Eye" Candy Crowley.

Especially as he was the most recent beneficiary of "We must all band together against the Democrats in MOST IMPORTANT ELECTION EVER!"

But of course, reality asserts itself and nobody stumps the Trump. Especially not Mittens.

Anonymous Icicle February 25, 2016 1:19 PM  

As our first White Hispanic family that was in charge, it seems like George and Jeb both want to Zimmerman Trump really badly. Unfortunately for them he is not carrying any Skittles. That rainbow is for Rubio.

It's pure manipulation to keep the two political parties relevant in the minds of the weak. There is almost nothing worth reading on the political front these days.

Indeed. But I need more of Glenn Beck's tears to power my motorboat as I motorboat NRO's women.

I'm a Cruz supporter
I haven't seen a Republican candidate this cheerful since Reagan...and yes, I'm old enough to remember both his 1980 campaign and the 1976 campaign.

This is the problem right here. Reagan is still dead. Unless his Alzheimer's was so bad he forgot to die.

Blogger James Dixon February 25, 2016 1:21 PM  

> If any one issue defines this election, it’s economic stagnation

Seriously, that's probably number 4 or 5 on the list. It comes after immigration, Obamacare, and gun rights; just to name three. But has anyone else noted the markets started going up shortly after Trump started winning?

Anonymous Faceless February 25, 2016 1:21 PM  

And those of us who write code and do the "knowledge work" El Rushbo and Bill Clinton promised us was the future with NAFTA... and who just saw Paul Ryan reward Disney.

Anonymous Faceless February 25, 2016 1:27 PM  

I am trying to figure out what guys like those at the Federalist and NRO are going to do once they transition from using AI for news pieces to opinion pieces.

The Advice Goddess was saying that the rate per word was already down 75% or more in a decade - you'd think the NRO eunuchs would be worried who's going to donate to their crappy 501(c)3. At least the Buchanan Boys know that they don't make an endorsement of a candidate (or against a candidate) explicitly so as not to take away the tax benefits of charity.

Anonymous TLM February 25, 2016 1:28 PM  

I can't explain why I have so much disgust & hatred of the Hindu/bindi invaders versus the rest of them, but I do. I'm not in IT or tech, and these curry freaks will never be a threat to me in my career, but I can't f@cking stand them. They are here to rob and reap as much as they can for themselves from whitey.

Anonymous Totally Tubular Cain February 25, 2016 1:30 PM  

fake a fibromyagia diagnosis

Diploma or GTFO, Doctor.

Anonymous Turd Burglestein February 25, 2016 1:30 PM  

Golden showers make golden flowers. I can make you a brown flower.

Blogger Alexander February 25, 2016 1:35 PM  

Trump/Zimmerman

We wouldn't even need to hold an election; the number of heads exploding would more-or-less solve the problem then and there.

Anonymous Icicle February 25, 2016 1:40 PM  

Trump: That Zimmerman fellow, tremendous energy there. His ground-rolling reminds me of my Wrestlemania days.

Blogger Chris Ritchie February 25, 2016 1:44 PM  

even as it obsessively venerates empty celebrity and people like social media executives and hedge fund managers who are filthy rich in spite of the fact their contributions to society aren’t very tangible.

This is still observably true. Our whole system is built on a big slave labor pool, same as it always us. It's just that our slavery here is attended by houses and cars and public schools. The celebrity elites and hedge fund managers still don't create anything.

Blogger guest February 25, 2016 1:46 PM  

Conservatives aren't the ones who told generation X to not have enough children to populate the US with it's own citizens. Feminists, yes. Even the Progressive Baby-boomers spread this foolishness. But it wasn't conservatives.

Blogger Chris Ritchie February 25, 2016 1:47 PM  

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Blogger BunE22 February 25, 2016 1:49 PM  

I don't know if anyone posted a link to this video because I don't always click links, if it has been posted my apologies.

Winter is Trumping

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents February 25, 2016 1:54 PM  

But has anyone else noted the markets started going up shortly after Trump started winning?

Correlation is not causation. If the typical "8th year" pattern holds the market will dump later on this year regardless of who is ahead in the Presidential race.

Blogger Quizzer W February 25, 2016 1:54 PM  

I've tried this argument a gotten a couple of "hmmmm's" in response when talking to self-identifying conservatives. YMMV, but something I haven't seen elsewhere for your consideration.

Blacks voted in lockstep with Democrats for 50+ years and the only thing they have to show for it is Detroit.

Conservatives have voted lock-step with Republicans for 50+ years and have gotten what? Conservatives are the blacks of the Republican party.

Now a wild card like Trump has come along to slap the checkers around on the board and do you use him as leverage to get anything you claim you want? No. You National Review him.

*That* is what Trump supporters see that you somehow keep missing.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents February 25, 2016 2:01 PM  

It's pure manipulation to keep the two political parties relevant in the minds of the weak. There is almost nothing worth reading on the political front these days.

Once Grandma Hillary! sews up the nomination via superdelegates and other means, what will all the Berners do? Eh Sure, the older whites are Pavlov's dogs when it comes to pulling the D lever, but what about the young'ns? My guess: there's not enough pot in all the dispensaries in Colorado and Cali to sooth that level of butthurt.

I don't watch "debates" but I'd want to see Grandma vs. The Donald, it would be yuuuuge entertainment.

Blogger pyrrhus February 25, 2016 2:04 PM  

Trump Derangement Syndrome has reached cosmic levels...much to our delight. Cooke at NRO now wants to nuke Trump, or machine gun his campaign to the ground...

Blogger Nick S February 25, 2016 2:08 PM  

If the typical "8th year" pattern holds the market will dump later on this year regardless of who is ahead in the Presidential race.

I thought it would happen before the 2015 holidays. Luckily, I didn't bank on my instincts at the time. I'm thinking about moving some things around now though.

OpenID rufusdog February 25, 2016 2:10 PM  

A Cruz supporter would go Trump and vise-versa, right?
I’ve got two Bernie supports on my job, both Union, both “voting their paycheck” in their words. I’ve pointed at immigration, they seem to be aware of the long term trouble ahead but “voting a paycheck” for today seems to trump whatever trouble may come tomorrow. They don’t hate work, I can say that, they want more work and more pay.

Not sure why this guy seems to need to find THE answer to Trump, wants to be the smartest guy in the room I suppose. Trump supports are angry, but they are angry for all sorts of reasons. I’m pissed because of the LGBTQ madness, the law not meaning anything, PC nonsense, abortion, immigration, lying Republicans, and on and on.

Anonymous Icicle February 25, 2016 2:25 PM  

Trump Derangement Syndrome has reached cosmic levels...much to our delight. Cooke at NRO now wants to nuke Trump, or machine gun his campaign to the ground...

Zimmerman: Black lives matter. That is why they spend all that effort shooting each other. That takes serious commitment. I accidentally took someone's job here. I should have known better.

Trump: As a man with direct experience of gun violence, and a bridge between blacks and Hispanics, Zimmerman will be on my committee investigating Eric Holder for the Fast and Furious gun-running scandal into Mexico. Let's Make America Great Again.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash February 25, 2016 2:25 PM  

But but but... muh free trade!

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 February 25, 2016 2:27 PM  

The headline is one of the reasons why I am mad... at Bernie Sanders and his supporters.

If Trump is the nominee and I end up pulling the lever for him (unless Jim Webb re-enters the race somehow), that won't have anything to do with my reason for picking Trump, unless Sanders is the other nominee.

Blogger SteelPalm February 25, 2016 2:29 PM  

Goddamn it. I'm a big Cruz fan who is deeply suspicious of Trump.

However, all the hate and pearl-clutching Trump has been inducing, in SJWs and cuckservatives alike, is making me like and root for the guy.

These people are tactically dumb. They don't understand Trump's appeal, so their attacks target the wrong attributes. And thus, they actually enhance his popularity, not hurt it.

And yes, as a Cruz fan I would be okay voting for Trump. I would never vote for Rubio.

Blogger Sheila4g February 25, 2016 2:30 PM  

@37 Quizzer W: Detroit is indicative of DNA if it is indicative of anything, rather than merely Democrat rule.

@27 DLM: I remember thinking Saris were lovely and exotic when I was quite young. Then I worked in a fabric store and had to rewind yards and yards and yards of fabric the Indians would spread out and not buy.

Then I became a consular officer and had to deal with Indians visa shopping, or calling on behalf of their visa shopping relatives. It's hard to say who would win in a match between Jews and Indians for never giving up an argument. I rarely had to deal with gypsies in Bulgaria, but the first time I spotted them their racial heritage was immediately apparent.

Now I live in a Texas neighborhood that's a mixture of Mumbai/Taipei. Our development was one of the few in the area established without a homeowners' association (with all the good and bad those entail). A few SWPL residents once tried to establish one. They were the only ones who came to meetings or paid any dues, and the effort quickly fizzled. A large part of our family debt was accrued from private school tuition. I've also learned to avoid checkout lines with Indians or Chinese. Every penny matters.

My husband has to deal with a number of Indian clients (almost exclusively by phone) and he and his co-workers openly despise them. The rare one he considers tolerable openly despises the other Indians. The consensus seems to be their greed, lack of ethics, and argumentative natures.

Blogger praetorian February 25, 2016 2:35 PM  

OT: trouble in Wikipediastan:

https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2016-February/082470.html

Vox, you have an email from me a while back about Lila.

Blogger Were-Puppy February 25, 2016 2:43 PM  

Next thing they'll come up with is a Super Match - Bob Dole, John McCain and Mitt Romney vs. Trump.

And Trump will still win.

Blogger Student in Blue February 25, 2016 2:44 PM  

@rufusdog
A Cruz supporter would go Trump and vise-versa, right?

It would depend on the type of supporter. A person who values being an establishment outsider would probably go for either, but someone who's memevoting won't be too interested in Cruz, and someone who's bought completely into "the anointed" probably would just sit out.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 February 25, 2016 2:45 PM  

@48

Why would anyone expect Trump to lose against three guys who also lost? All Mitt Romney had to do to win was to show some fire. But he got called "milquetoast" for a reason.

Blogger Were-Puppy February 25, 2016 2:48 PM  

@39 pyrrhus
Trump Derangement Syndrome has reached cosmic levels...much to our delight. Cooke at NRO now wants to nuke Trump, or machine gun his campaign to the ground...
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Considering he's an actual immigrant, I guess he fears the TRUMPAGEDDON

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents February 25, 2016 2:48 PM  

Cooke at NRO now wants to nuke Trump, or machine gun his campaign to the ground…


Cooke's a Brit, and a recent arrival. No surprise he doesn't get it.

Blogger Were-Puppy February 25, 2016 2:50 PM  

@41 rufusdog
A Cruz supporter would go Trump and vise-versa, right?
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Not if the Natural Born Citizen means anything to the Trump supporter. That would take out Jindal, Cruz and Rubio.

Blogger Were-Puppy February 25, 2016 2:54 PM  

@46 Sheila4g
@27 DLM: I remember thinking Saris were lovely and exotic when I was quite young. Then I worked in a fabric store and had to rewind yards and yards and yards of fabric the Indians would spread out and not buy.
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Yep. My favorite is they will show up at a car dealership or some kind of retail 10 minutes before closing time. The poor sales weasel that gets to deal with them for hours and then they don't actually buy anything.

Blogger Were-Puppy February 25, 2016 2:57 PM  

@50 White Knight Leo #0368

Why would anyone expect Trump to lose against three guys who also lost?
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I suppose for the same reason they think Romney is Trolling Trump Like A Boss? I have no idea why these jokers think anything they are saying is relevant, but I'm betting on the doubling down principle with my comment :P

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents February 25, 2016 2:58 PM  

Vincente Fox, former Presidente de Mexico sez
I'm not paying for that f*cking wall

No problema, cabron, we'll just slap a 10 per cent tax on all money transfers to Mexico. Good enough for Carlos Slim, good enough for El Norte, ese...

OpenID rufusdog February 25, 2016 3:00 PM  

I seem to recall seeing polls where issue overlap (think icky to main stream bitter clinger type issues, I think support for Confederate flag was one) was strong between Trump and Cruz support. So my current theory is Trump has it locked, Cruz looks out, Cruz folks will go Trump and that’s all she wrote.

Now can Trump beat Clinton, no idea.

I will be interested to see what the betting odds are once Trump and Clinton lock it up. I would expect Trump to be a…+300 dog, at least at first.

OpenID b1bae96e-6447-11e3-b6bb-000f20980440 February 25, 2016 3:05 PM  

Bush Derangement Syndrome and TDS are telling. Cucks and leftists are cut from the same cloth. The former were just getting their way 8-16 years ago.

@53 my theory on natural born citizenship is that since its already been violated, I will not constrain myself by it.

Will Best

OpenID sigbouncer February 25, 2016 3:08 PM  

"Once Grandma Hillary! sews up the nomination via superdelegates and other means, what will all the Berners do? Eh Sure, the older whites are Pavlov's dogs when it comes to pulling the D lever, but what about the young'ns? My guess: there's not enough pot in all the dispensaries in Colorado and Cali to sooth that level of butthurt."

Bern and The Donald are the only two anti war candidates running. All the others want to take on Russia and Iran. One would think Trump can flip a high percentage of the Bern voters, whose main focus is the ending of US Military Keynesianism - Per the Chalmers Johnson definition of US Military Keynesianism maintaining perpetual wars. As Trump appears content to let other countries "use their own bombs" to handle our joint interests.

With the Oregon and Washington dispensaries too... I think we might just have those millennial tears covered.

OpenID sigbouncer February 25, 2016 3:11 PM  

"A Cruz supporter would go Trump and vise-versa, right?"

No. You couldn't pay me to vote for The Cruz Ruse. I have no interest in war with Russia over some little shithole country in the middle east. And liars who hold up bibles don't impress me.

Trump has my vote even if I have to write it in.

Blogger James Dixon February 25, 2016 3:12 PM  

> But it wasn't conservatives.

And what did conservatives do to stop what was happening? Reagan, Bush, and Bush should have been able to stack the court enough to overturn Roe vs. Wade. Did it happen?

> Correlation is not causation.

IMO, 90% of day to day market moves are purely emotional. But yes, it's too early to call a pattern. I merely found it an interesting data point.

> If the typical "8th year" pattern holds the market will dump later on this year regardless of who is ahead in the Presidential race.

True, but it's not a universal pattern. From http://www.cnbc.com/2016/01/13/why-markets-tend-to-fall-during-a-presidential-election-year.html:

"Since 1900, the S&P 500 has, on average, fallen by 1.2 percent in year 8, with the market rising only 44 percent of the time."

Blogger James Dixon February 25, 2016 3:15 PM  

> ...my theory on natural born citizenship is that since its already been violated, I will not constrain myself by it.

Likewise. If Cruz wins the nomination, I'll vote for him. But I won't vote for him in the primary.

Blogger YIH February 25, 2016 3:18 PM  

Trump Derangement Syndrome has reached cosmic levels.
It most certainly has. Not smart, Ross Douthat, not smart at all.
Wonder if he'll get a visit by the Secret Service? Since 1968 they don't take that stuff lightly.

Blogger praetorian February 25, 2016 3:26 PM  

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/702894623761498112

The level that this man is operating at is so far beyond the rest of the field that they just literally can't.

They just *literally* *can't*.

In the future universities will have whole departments dedicated to Unstumpableness Studies, trying to understand what happened in America in the current year, 2016.

Blogger Skylark Thibedeau February 25, 2016 3:27 PM  

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Blogger Skylark Thibedeau February 25, 2016 3:27 PM  

The democrats are just sly enough to Lose the White House whenever one of these 8 year downturns is about to occur.

OpenID b1bae96e-6447-11e3-b6bb-000f20980440 February 25, 2016 3:28 PM  

@57 Seeing Donald in the +160 to +210 range right now, and Hillary is pretty consistently around -140. If the US didn't make it such an utter pain in the ass to bet on US politics I would have laid money on Trump back in July when he was "done" and you could have gotten +2000 just for him winning the nomination. It would have just been too enticing to not put $100 on him.

Incidentally, odds makers have Trump as -300 for the GOP nom, with only Rubio at +250 or so having a serious shot. Cruz is +2500 or more.

Will Best

Blogger Gaiseric February 25, 2016 3:41 PM  

sigbouncer wrote:Bern and The Donald are the only two anti war candidates running. All the others want to take on Russia and Iran. One would think Trump can flip a high percentage of the Bern voters, whose main focus is the ending of US Military Keynesianism - Per the Chalmers Johnson definition of US Military Keynesianism maintaining perpetual wars. As Trump appears content to let other countries "use their own bombs" to handle our joint interests.
Actually, Trumps' rather hawkish stance is one of the things I like least about him. He's talking about big military presence in the South China sea to attempt to intimidate China, and he won't shut up about bombing ISIS.

Although it is encouraging that at least he doesn't seem inclined to try and poke Putin in the eye.

Blogger YIH February 25, 2016 3:44 PM  

Mittens wants Trump to release his tax records.
My, my, how soon they forget...
[Harry] Reid ignited a firestorm in the 2012 presidential race by claiming on the Senate floor, without presenting any evidence, that "the word's out that he hasn't paid any taxes in 10 years." His attack was part of a fierce effort by the Obama re-election campaign to portray Romney as an out of touch and heartless businessman unable to understand the economic problems afflicting the middle class. Reid later told CNN that he did not regret his move, noting archly that Romney did not win the election.

OpenID rufusdog February 25, 2016 4:03 PM  

Will,

Sitting here realizing I have my ipad with me today, checked my account for odds.

DT Nominee -300
Cruz +3300!! Wow, wouldn’t have thought thatstrong a dog.

Ha, they have vice presidential odds on here, funny stuff, who is the current favorite…KASICH +230. Rubio +470…The Donald is +2500 for VP, ha!

Hillary -910 Bernie +600 Nominee

Here we go, President winner.

Hillary -150 DT +220 Rubio +600 Sanders +1400 Bloomberg +4000 Cruz +6600

OpenID sigbouncer February 25, 2016 4:12 PM  

"Actually, Trumps' rather hawkish stance is one of the things I like least about him. He's talking about big military presence in the South China sea to attempt to intimidate China, and he won't shut up about bombing ISIS."

There is a lot going on right now over there. North Korea has been pushing the envelope and their missiles can reach America soil. Our allies in the Phillipines currently have territorial dispute in the South China sea with China. China just recently put surface to air (HQ-9's) missile launchers and a radar system on disputed territory (Woody Island). Taiwan is still not resolved in China's eyes.

Trump is correct in recognizing this is an issue of National security. We can either do something about it now and make our presence known. Or it will only grow to be a larger more serious threat.

Trump isn't hawkish. Trump is more Teddy Roosevelt. Walk softly and carry a big stick. He prefers to project legitimate military power as a deterrent. And Trump is content to let Russia bomb ISIS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJHgA4_0CAo

Lastly, a US-Russia alliance, or at least a mutual admiration society type of respect between the two countries is one of the better things that could happen for both countries.

Russia doesn't want to see China get any bigger or have more control than they already do. Russia being in China's backyard, so to speak, and allied with US would have China thinking more than it already is about it's military expansion. Or starting a potential WWIII.

Anonymous FitzRobert February 25, 2016 4:15 PM  

Listening to Rush the other day and he comes up with Trump supporters are angry about the GOP failure to confront Obama. I haven't been a fan in most of a decade, but he is a smart man. I don't buy that he even believes that himself. As Vox said, RL was making another "transparently futile attempt to redirect that anger to the conventional Bad Democrat Good Republican channel." I think we will be seeing more of this.

Blogger Aeoli Pera February 25, 2016 4:34 PM  

I couldn't get a job mining coal to save my life. There are only 47,000 such jobs in the country, and none of them within walking distance.

Blogger Aeoli Pera February 25, 2016 4:36 PM  

Anyway, average income for these positions is around 16K, which is barely enough for sharing an apartment with another bachelor, much less raising a family in a home.

Anonymous Concrete Laying and Kebab Disposal Services February 25, 2016 4:48 PM  

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Anonymous #8601 Jean Valjean February 25, 2016 4:49 PM  

Trump Derangement Syndrome reminds me of Harper Derangement Syndrome. The irrational, emotional and visceral hatred of the former Canadian Prime Minister Harper was a thing to behold.

But Trump is getting close!

Anonymous Ness1 February 25, 2016 5:14 PM  

One problem:

Africa for Africans, Asia for Asians, White countries for Everyone IS White Genocide.

My country was my home. Now its a hotel. And the want me to be a waiter. HELL NO.

That's the issue. Period.

Blogger Were-Puppy February 25, 2016 5:18 PM  

@57 rufusdog

I seem to recall seeing polls where issue overlap (think icky to main stream bitter clinger type issues, I think support for Confederate flag was one) was strong between Trump and Cruz support.
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Lets step back and think about that a moment. Why would a Cuban or Canadian or NY Yankee draw support in regards to the Confederate Flag?

Blogger Were-Puppy February 25, 2016 5:19 PM  

@58 b1bae96e-6447-11e3-b6bb-000f20980440

my theory on natural born citizenship is that since its already been violated, I will not constrain myself by it.

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I feel that way about the entire Constitution. If it goes down in flames in this election, I won't bother with it any more either.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd February 25, 2016 5:42 PM  

``Conservatives are the blacks of the Republican party.''

@37 Quizzer, I've tried pointing this out a number of times on boards where low IQ Repubs hang out. It seems to be a mix of cucks and real conservatives*. It never works, because we have to keep voting R only more and better. If you can't see that, you're a dirty commie liberal Dem shill, and (gasp) not patriotic. Maybe even defeatist. The same people who want to see blacks get off the Dem plantation don't get it.

* Real conservatives are liberals from a previous generation conserving their gains against the Prog onslaught. That's why real conservatives tend to be a little older, I guess.

Blogger Were-Puppy February 25, 2016 6:01 PM  

When its a battle for survival left vs right doesn't mean much any more

Blogger Joshua Sinistar February 25, 2016 6:07 PM  

The Dinosaur media is dead. Spending a Billion on dead air will not get you coffee at Starbucks anymore. What small bit of credibility they saved was blown on magic negro that started more wars than Senor Bush. That Nobel Peace Prize must really burn right now in those peacenik hippies.
The jews are their own worst enemies. This whole White people are racists and need to die their day is done is about as subtle as freaks asking your wife to show them her tits. Its so bad its kind of hard to believe. I wondered how this was going to end but they seem to have given an open invitation to hate and despise them. After all that saving from the Holocaust spiel this is their thanks. Ingratitude seems to be their only redeeming feature. Kills them every time. Kind of like the hairless apes who believe rape is a sport at college I guess.

Anonymous Trimegistus February 25, 2016 6:41 PM  

Vox: I think you're misinterpreting the article you linked to. The author focuses on the value of work, which used to be something both parties agreed on. Americans have defined ourselves by our work since the early days of the Republic. De Tocqueville commented on it. We're crazy stupid about working. We think a European-style 30-hour week is not just foolish but morally wrong.

Note that this isn't "corporations making people want to slave away" nonsense. Self-employed Americans are even crazier for work. Even when we're not struggling to get by, we take on second jobs or start a side-venture. Work is what we do. During World War II, our biggest contribution to victory was work. By 1945 American war production was half of the entire planet's output. We may not be braver or smarter than other people, but we work.

The article is pointing out that in a society like America, having a party (like the current Dems) which is effectively anti-work should be political suicide for that party. It's not just their economic idiocy, it's their welfare-billionaire coalition that seems to sneer at work -- and the massive media hostility against ordinary working Americans. Try this experiment: turn on the TV at any random time of day and flip through all the channels looking for a positive portrayal of people at work. You won't find it. Even Mike Rowe's show emphasized how horrid most of the jobs he tried out were.

What the Sanders coalition represents is possibly the end of working America. After all, work (especially self-employed work) is a threat to the primacy of politics, which is the core of modern liberalism. Everything must be political. The goal is to make government the source of all things, and if the private economy has to be utterly destroyed to create that, so be it.

Blogger SciVo February 25, 2016 9:07 PM  

@ Gaiseric: Although it is encouraging that at least he doesn't seem inclined to try and poke Putin in the eye.

Straight-up Jacksonianism. Total war for total victory, or nothing at all. And another nationalist is respectable.

If China wanted to have peace with Trump, they would give up on advantage both economic and physical, and just focus on promoting Chinese culture.

But they're too proud. I predict right now that they will push every boundary and always get pushed back.

Anonymous From the office of George Soros February 25, 2016 9:47 PM  

The illegal immigration problem in America isn't that bad...and even if it is, it's Vladimir Putin who invited all the Mexicans!!! It's not (((my))) fault. Now excuse me while I go sit in my Auric Goldfinger throne and pet my cat (and by cat I mean Marco Rubio in a brilliant white catsuit).

Anonymous tublecane February 26, 2016 12:24 AM  

@8-I agree, although I must say that even with tariffs the old way was immeasurably more libertarian than things are today. That's how government grows: always too the left. Free trade is more classically liberal than it is conservative. But if I went by what I consider objectively conservative--and who knows, the definition is always changing--I'd expect conservatives to be environmentalists, for instance. I can't say why they aren't (some are, and we call them crunchy cons), except leftists have monopolized it as yet another question to the preexisting answer of socialism.

Assuming there is such a thing as inherently conservative, there's nothing inherently conservative about a lot of people who call themselves conservative. I think the Republican party became conservative because that was the only intellectual movement (rather, those were the only movements, but let's not get bogged down) of any significance that weren't behind the New Deal or outright leftists. Similarly, they latched onto free market economics because it was the only economics left that wasn't Keynesianism or socialism. In other words, their ideology was whatever the other guys weren't using.

Since the Republican party still clings onto the spirit of Henry Clay's American System, there's no reason they couldn't pay for it with trade restrictions. Well, there are reasons, but it's not like Republicans are for free trade now because they've argued themselves into it rationally. That's not how things work.

We need to divest ourselves of the notion that ideology has much to do politics. Ultimate policy is made by true believers only in rare cases. It doesn't much matter what's inherently conservative because politicians are conservative so far as it's useful for PR. Not everyone else but most are conservative or liberal to distinguish themselves from people who call themselves conservative or liberal.

Anonymous FrankNorman February 26, 2016 3:48 AM  

82. Joshua Sinistar February 25, 2016 6:07 PM

The jews are their own worst enemies. This whole White people are racists and need to die their day is done is about as subtle as freaks asking your wife to show them her tits. Its so bad its kind of hard to believe. I wondered how this was going to end but they seem to have given an open invitation to hate and despise them. After all that saving from the Holocaust spiel this is their thanks. Ingratitude seems to be their only redeeming feature. Kills them every time.


When an entire people rejects God, He gives them over to the destructive effects of their own wickedness.

Remember when dealing with Leftists - much of what they say is projection. They are really talking about themselves.

Blogger dfordoom February 26, 2016 7:15 PM  

@25. James Dixon

> If any one issue defines this election, it’s economic stagnation

Seriously, that's probably number 4 or 5 on the list. It comes after immigration, Obamacare, and gun rights; just to name three.


Is there any polling that actually supports the idea that immigration is the number one issue? Or that gun rights is a major issue? I'm not disagreeing, just asking.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents February 26, 2016 7:22 PM  

Is there any polling that actually supports the idea that immigration is the number one issue?

The polls where people cast primary votes for Donald "Yuuuuge Wall!" Trump might be a good place to start.

Blogger dfordoom February 26, 2016 11:23 PM  

@90. A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents

The polls where people cast primary votes for Donald "Yuuuuge Wall!" Trump might be a good place to start.

Trump's level of support does not prove that people support him because of the immigration issue. They might support him for lots of other reasons. Like his scepticism about the benefits of free trade. The fact that he is perceived to be the only candidate not owned lock, stock and barrel by the donor class. The fact that he is perceived as being an enemy of political correctness. The fact that people hope he might care slightly more for ordinary folks than any other candidate. The fact that he comes across as a maverick and an outsider. The fact that he might be less likely to start World War 3. Maybe they just think the guy is more of a genuine human being than the other rather robotic candidates.

I'm just curious as to whether there's any polling that supports the contention that immigration is the number one issue in the minds of Trump supporters, or voters in general.

I'm not suggesting that immigration isn't vitally important. I think it is. And I'm not anti-Trump - I hope he wins. I'd just like to know if that really is the single issue driving the Trumpkrieg. Is it an assumption, or an established fact?

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