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Tuesday, February 09, 2016

PFT Commenter goes to the Super Bowl

I just thought this account of a taxi ride at the Super Bowl was funny:
My first night here I deicded to skip dinner in lieu of drinking, which yes, its a common theme for me- but you stick with the devil that you know, and with all the foofooraw about E Coli these days I figured it was better to drink brown liquor instead of eating red meat. It was a great meal and then I got a ride home from a cab driver who immedately started talking politics. Guess I just give of that vibe of a professonal political pundent. Lots of folks consider Frisco to be a extremeley liberal city but this guy started in with the "we need to build a wall" stuff and it kiond of snowballed from there untill by the end of the ride he was educationg me about how Bernie Sanders is a pawn by the Jews to install one of there Elite banker friends as the head of the United States so they can take over the world. Went a little to far for my taste in a 10-minute cab ride. Thats more of a 30 minute cab ride conversaton that you break out as soon as you've covered the weather, favorite sports teams, and which colleges his kids are thinking about going to. Very cool guy.
It's both exciting and strange to see the X-Files back. Hearing Mulder go on about a conspiracy of human globalists makes me wonder if Chris Carter has been reading this blog over the last ten years. Anyhow, my thoughts on Denver's recent Super Bowl victory:
  • Manning had less to do with it than Lizzi the cheerleader did. Lizzi was also at the game and she threw for as many touchdowns and one less dumb interception than Peyton did. I'm just glad they didn't give him the MVP because quarterback.
  • Apparently the difference between the #1 defense and the #3 defense was considerably larger than I had appreciated.
  • Wade Phillips is probably the best defensive coordinator in the league. He should stick with that; why be a mediocre head coach when you can be a great coordinator? Stacking five on the line to keep the running game in check while trusting the three corners to shut down Carolina's unimpressive receivers was a great game plan.
  • Cam is a frontrunner. That's not a bad thing, it's just a reality.  It will be interesting to see how he comes back from this.
  • People getting on Cam about not diving on the football forget that a QBs first, second, and third responsibility is to not get injured. Yes, it was the Super Bowl. That doesn't change the fact that the guy has had it repeatedly drilled into his head that he is NEVER supposed to a) dive into the pile or b) try to tackle anyone. See: Andy Dalton. I suspect that training is why he instinctively started to go after the ball, then checked himself.
  • I think Ted Ginn may have cost Carolina the game. For me, the most crucial play was when he burned Talib across the middle, then ran out of bounds for a 40-yard gain instead of a) trying to beat the safety down the sideline, or b) cutting back inside him. Ginn is supposedly among the faster players in the league, and it looked to me as if a) was a legitimate option. That may have cost the Panthers 7 points, given the way Gano missed the subsequent FG attempt.
  • If Manning doesn't ride off into the sunset with his second Super Bowl ring, he's lost the plot. It's a great ending... so let it be the ending and retire.

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68 Comments:

Anonymous Discard February 09, 2016 4:59 AM  

Regarding the taxi ride: Sometimes some of us must give off an aroma of political heresy. Once, on seeing that the beautiful blonde daughter of an acquaintance had married an Orc, a woman I scarcely knew said to me, "Well, he's got himself a White woman". I was shocked, not at the sentiment, but that the woman would say such an incriminating thing. But apparently she had detected a strong scent of White Privilege, because I had never let my views be known in that crowd.

Or perhaps certain people just have a gift for spotting allies.

For the record, BTW, the marriage was fruitless.

Blogger Hostem Populi February 09, 2016 5:17 AM  

It's under appreciated just how depressing it is for a football player in his late 30s to face retirement, and give up the only life he's ever known. That's probably the real reason that so many players self destruct after they're done, and not media orchestrated quackery over "concussions."

The smart thing for Manning to do is to retire, but I get the reluctance.

As for Cam, he's going to be wearing the "choke" label around his neck, whether that's fair or not, until he get's a Lombardi Trophy now.

I really wanted the Panthers to make a play for Megatron before the trade deadline, subsequent success on offense afterwards made me think that I was hasty, but the Super Bowl confirmed I was right. The Panthers got by with smoke and mirrors for their WRs against a lot of defenses in the NFL, but it caught up with them against the Broncos. I have to tip my hat to them, because they were impressive in that game.

Now I have to wait two months for Opening Day.

Blogger tim February 09, 2016 5:20 AM  

Has Chris Carter made comments about a "globalist" cabal?

Blogger Josh February 09, 2016 5:24 AM  

It's very unsettling to see vox linking to pft commenter...it's like worlds are colliding...

Anonymous SammyBoy February 09, 2016 5:26 AM  

Agreed on the fumble non-recovery. A closer look at the replay shows Carolina's #67 (center Ryan Kalil) diving in, in such a way that he would have plowed sideways through Newton's left knee if Newton had not seen him and backed out of the scrum.

Anonymous WaterBoy February 09, 2016 5:34 AM  

Vox: "Lizzi was also at the game and she threw for as many touchdowns and one less dumb interception than Peyton did."

But Peyton had more completions and yards than Lizzi did, so there's that. And don't even try to calculate her completion percentage....

Blogger Shimshon February 09, 2016 5:38 AM  

I found the first new X Files episode a little treacly, but at least Chris Carter is not JJ Abrams.

Blogger Gordon February 09, 2016 6:25 AM  

One of the things I learned from my football days is that there are some players that can be scared out of the game. Smart coaches can spot these guys, and tailor a scheme to attack them early and often, in hopes they'll quit. Denver did this with Cam Newton. They realized he was very thin-skinned and went after him hard. You could see it in his eyes just before halftime: he was tired and scared. By the end he was hoping for pity flags from the refs to save him.

He may grow out of this. In my experience, such guys don't, but he could be an exception.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan February 09, 2016 6:35 AM  

I told the wife that Manning was allowed one completion per drive, pretty sad, but at least he was playing the slightly above average Scam Newton (55 QBR MVP, MVP). If Scam is the future of the NFL, ha ha. I think convergence happened anyway so they could bring back the 60s Packers and still fail is baked into the cake after watching that SJW halftime show, horrible.

Blogger bob k. mando February 09, 2016 6:45 AM  

Anyhow, my thoughts on Denver's recent Super Bowl victory:


my thoughts are these:
*this Super Bowl was designed for Tim Tebow
*Denver would have paid a hell of a lot less money for five years of Tebow than for five years of "duh greatest QB of all time"
*"duh greatest QB of all time" doesn't set NFL records for non-performance in the Super Bowl
*"duh greatest QB of all time" doesn't even have the best Super Bowl stats in his own family
*building Denver's defense proves that Elway isn't a complete disaster as GM ... but Manning's acquisition was completely irrelevant to the 2016 win, therefore it's going to have to be noted that Elway has a problem fixating on flashy QBs.

Anonymous 5343 February 09, 2016 6:57 AM  

@7.

Ah, but the third one is epic.

Blogger Josh February 09, 2016 7:11 AM  

*"duh greatest QB of all time" doesn't even have the best Super Bowl stats in his own family

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to small sample size theater!

Blogger bob k. mando February 09, 2016 7:14 AM  

Manning had less to do with it than Lizzi the cheerleader did.


yeah, that's another thing. i heard a radio sports guy earlier in the week speculating about "what if Peyton gets pulled from the Super Bowl for non-performance?"

sure, radio guys ( just like all sports reporters ) are paid to stir the pot. and that's some pretty good pot stirrin.

but, had Denver not had the lead when Peyton tossed that Int? yeah, he probably would have gotten the hook right there.

and it seems that, regardless of the Super Bowl outcome, even John Elway can't justify keeping Peyton on the payroll. that's how bad Peyton has been playing for the last year +.

Blogger bob k. mando February 09, 2016 7:17 AM  

12. Josh February 09, 2016 7:11 AM
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to small sample size theater!



a - i'm not the one asserting that winning a 2nd SB makes Peyton the greatest. talk about "small sample sizes".

b - Marino, bitchez. you can't even imagine what kind of numbers he would have had with the 2000+ rules package that Peyton played his entire career under

OpenID malcolmthecynic February 09, 2016 7:27 AM  

a - i'm not the one asserting that winning a 2nd SB makes Peyton the greatest. talk about "small sample sizes".

Either Super Bowls matter or they don't. If they do, he is now in the conversation for best QB ever. If not, he is in the conversation for best QB ever.

Peyton is in a win-win.

Anonymous NorthernHamlet February 09, 2016 7:38 AM  

It's both exciting and strange to see the X-Files back.

Part of me appreciates some of what they're doing in the episodes, but after 3 shows, I'm about ready to give up on it. It's so damn boring for some reason.

Main issues I see:

1. The pacing has been all wrong.
2. There is no suspense or emotional investment, which is saying something since I should feel something about these characters.
3. [Small Spoiler] Too soon for a joke episode.
4. The scenes feel very fake, like these aren't real places in a real world.
5. They should have skipped the special effects in showing creatures.
6. Turning Mulder into a fast-talking car salesman of conspiracy theories is amusing at times (and a little scary) but it gets old fast, like listening to Hamlet give nothing but over-the-top soliloquies for an entire book.

Blogger Jeff Weimer February 09, 2016 7:42 AM  

@2 - Most American military "retire" from the service at right about that age. I can tell you from personal experience that it can be very disorienting until you you feel you have the ground under your feet again. Perhaps that's one reason why so many of us obtain employment working for or with the service we recently left.

Anonymous Leatherwing February 09, 2016 7:44 AM  

Cam regularly dives headfirst into piles when he's running the ball. Remember the touchdown run in the NFC Championship game when he did a flip into the endzone and landed on his head. I don't think he is worried about his body when he's ahead. Like you said, he's a frontrunner. By the time the fumble occurred, happy Cam had left the stadium and we had sulky Cam.

Blogger BassmanCO February 09, 2016 7:46 AM  

Bob k. Mando,

Manning has sucked the last year or so, but you can't discount how his presence allowed the Broncos to lure players like TJ Ward and DeMarcus Ware. Peyton may not have won the game, but he is a major reason they ever got there in the first place.

And the Marino argument can be made with at least a few other quarterbacks.

Blogger Shimshon February 09, 2016 7:55 AM  

@11 "Except for the third eye!" Yeah, the episode had some good parts. I even liked the bad Biblical parody.

Blogger YIH February 09, 2016 7:57 AM  

Like most of us I would have loved to hear Payton ''it was a hell of a ride, but now it's over'' somewhere from the time he lifted the trophy to the postgame conference, but he's got 6 months to mull it over, and that's what it appears he's going to do.
It's also possible that Manning may go out the same way Johnny Unitas and a few others did, by telling the coach ''I won't retire, you'll have to cut me'' and hoping the coach does just that.
I saw that early, many of the Panthers players were overwhelmed by being there, they were both excited and nervous - just like the Broncos were two years ago.
At least they didn't begin the game by giving up a safety.
Sooner or later, Levi's field is gonna get astroturf, even a total field replacement wasn't enough to keep the field in decent shape most of the game.
That halftime show stunk! Granted, it was not ''Up(chuck) With People'' or Janet Jackson's nipple badge, but that will still go down as one of the worst of all time.
I still can't decide which was worse, last year's 'dead kids' insurance ads or this year's prescription ads. The NFL has veto power over ads, they should use it to keep out the buzzkills.

Blogger Bard February 09, 2016 8:05 AM  

#Cam'spridematters
Start it

Anonymous Ryan ATL February 09, 2016 8:07 AM  

"why be a mediocre head coach when you can be a great coordinator? "

That's what we are stuck with here in Atlanta, at least that's the early consensus. We have a great defensive coordinator in Quinn who is serving as a mediocre head coach.

Blogger frenchy February 09, 2016 8:29 AM  

That 40 yard play. I thought the same thing. He had the opportunity to cut back to his right and go for the endzone. The lead corner's momentum would not have allowed him to turn around to do anything, really. I was like (I'm a Steeler guy), "Antonio Brown would have split the defenders and cut for more yards...he had the angle." That was disappointing.

Blogger Tank February 09, 2016 8:36 AM  

Manning said that he wants to wait and think about retiring when the emotion of the game passes. If he looks at it without emotion, he'll retire. I think that's what he'll do. He has a lot of good options, and he can't be all that happy playing the role he's playing now.

•People getting on Cam about not diving on the football forget that a QBs first, second, and third responsibility is to not get injured. Yes, it was the Super Bowl. That doesn't change the fact that the guy has had it repeatedly drilled into his head that he is NEVER supposed to a) dive into the pile or b) try to tackle anyone. See: Andy Dalton. I suspect that training is why he instinctively started to go after the ball, then checked himself.

I don't think this applies to Newton. Their game plan has him running inside with the ball, running the option, running it in from the one, and running on pass plays. That was his/their MO all year. No, I think he was just mentally beaten at that point. As Phil Simms said on air, he just didn't want it as much as the other guys. Harsh.

Blogger frenchy February 09, 2016 8:40 AM  

Manning could be a sports commentator and easily be a quarterback coach, or an offensive coordinator.

Blogger Tank February 09, 2016 8:51 AM  

WFAN's Francesca thinks Manning wants an Elway type deal.

Anonymous No February 09, 2016 8:51 AM  

The writer had "1 on 1" with "Washington TE Chris Kluwe"?

That is an epic troll. LGBTOUCHDOWN!

Anonymous Ryan ATL February 09, 2016 8:54 AM  

Could you imagine working for Peyton Manning? you better have your ish together at all times. Talk about professional expectations

Blogger Christopher February 09, 2016 8:57 AM  

Yes, that Ginn play was remarkable.

That was after Talib's face mask penalty, right?

Wrt that facemask, I was wondering if the NFL should institute some sort of yellow card - red card rule, or maybe let the ref tell Talib's captain, 'look I don't want to throw him out but if I see him on the field again the rest of this half I will' or something more than what it ended up as --halfway to the goal line from the three.

Blogger lordabacus February 09, 2016 9:40 AM  

Jerricho Cotchery cost the Panthers the game, not Ginn. Google "NC State shit."

Anonymous Anarchopurplism February 09, 2016 9:56 AM  

I had anticipated a close game, but much closer.

-So glad Von Miller was an obvious choice after the 2nd forced fumble. He was my choice PRIOR to that, due to the 1st forced fumble/TD play & the merit of giving it to someone on the D.

-On the Cam fumble, my initial thought is that he was trying to pretend that it WASN'T a fumble. He probably thinking "do or die" 3rd & long....that is soon as it came out of his hand, "game over, don't get hurt."

-I had anticipated the Defenses playing on-par, with Manning much more likely to float up a duck for a pick 6. I had thought Cam would make enough big plays, but the Denver D was LIGHTS OUT.

Tolbert fumble & missed FG were completely momentum killers. Easily would have been a different game without those 2 plays.

-Cam deserves the criticism. QB's are expected to be leaders. Be an example, talk to the media.....take your medicine. I expect him to grow from this. He has a million $ smile, charisma & reeks of talent......just needs to learn to lose like a man. Be a man Cam!

Anonymous paleopaleo February 09, 2016 10:14 AM  

If you ever visit here don't say Frisco.

Blogger Gapeseed February 09, 2016 10:24 AM  

It was a fine and surprising win for Denver, even if Old Manning might be the worst Super Bowl winning quarterback ever. His fastball is so diminished that he cannot even get by on guile anymore. Fortunately, he played behind an all-time defense and could Dilfer and pilfer a Super Bowl victory.

The good Lord has given you a chance to retire at the top of the mountain, Peyton. Not many men get such a storybook ending. Don't blow it.

Blogger Nate February 09, 2016 10:37 AM  

Manning didn't lose them the game. there's plenty to be said for that.

Blogger Nate February 09, 2016 10:39 AM  

Peyton always said "You play until you suck." Its abundantly clear its time for him to hang it up.

I really wouldn't want to risk people remembering me as a noodle armed slow white guy that hands off the ball and can't throw a WR screen.

Anonymous WillBest February 09, 2016 10:40 AM  

Math says Peyton is going to be allowed to retire or get fired. They will need that $15 million to pay Von Miller who will be looking at some sort of 6-year 96 million with $45 million guaranteed type of deal. Broncos only have $10 million in cap. Can't pay Manning $15+2+2 to play the way he is. All their ILBs are hitting FA and a couple of their D-line glue guys. That Defense will take a step back, the O will have to play better if they want to compete next season.

When he talks to his agent his agent will tell him that he could go be QB1 in Cleveland (maybe), but if he wants to compete for the SB again its going to be as the backup QB pulling down $3 million with perhaps some play time escalators.

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The NFL seems to have a rule that people don't get ejected for between the whistle stuff, even the really bad stuff. The whole PI system is messed up. Half the time you think the penalty is ridiculous and the other half you are wondering why its so tribal.

Like the Talib facemask should probably have just been an automatic touchdown given where it occurred on the field. Of course, you start adding all the contingencies to try and make it more fair and you infuse even more judgment into a game that has too much of it already.

They should probably take a queue from hockey. A PI gets a person removed for the remainder of this offensive/defensive series, plus the next offensive/defensive series. Then reduce the penalty to 5 yards and automatic first down. A second PI then is two additional series and a 3rd would be 3 and likely the rest of the game.

Anonymous Baseball Savant February 09, 2016 10:45 AM  

"Manning didn't lose them the game. there's plenty to be said for that."

THIS!!! People are completely missing this point.

I think Peyton hangs it up but I don't think I agree with the premise that he sucks. I thought he was hurt quite a bit this year and rumors around Indianapolis was that he was playing a lot more hurt than even what we heard. I still think the guy can get it done 20-yards in. Can he throw the ball 50yards on a rope? No, but how necessary is that? Brady throws 5-8 yards slants CONSTANTLY to those little receivers of his or he hits Gronk on the seams. He's not bombing away 50 yards to Brandon LaFell.

On the other hand, if his body can't heal then I'd hate to see him keep taking a beating. Regardless, MANNING = GOAT!

Blogger Nick S February 09, 2016 10:45 AM  

I think Ted Ginn may have cost Carolina the game.

I was stunned as I watched that. It almost looked contrived, but it was largely ignored. Unbelievable.

Anonymous VFM #6306 February 09, 2016 10:51 AM  

Cam throwing himself backfirst on the ground in a tantrum against a holding call was where Cam lost the plot - not the fumble hesitation (which I agree, looked like he was selling an incompletion) but a few plays after that. There was time on the clock, a good D, and, worst-case scenario, a two score deficit to fight against.

Would have been less deflating to Carolina had he fallen on a sword. Him quitting the press conference had been foreshadowed by him quitting on his team.

It is too bad. There is no reason but emotional (and possibly theological) ones for him to NOT be a rah rah Tebow in dark situations. I've seen him turn plays with targeted cannon throws on completely busted situations against superior foes.

Too often, however, he gets smaller as the game gets tougher. Saw it in a slobberknocker with the Vikings a season or two ago, and also the Atlanta game this year. He faded, and it had nothing to do with his ability and skill. As big as he is, he really does not like to get hit. That's why he wanted Oher so badly in the first place. He thought he was fast enough to stop the darts (he's not. What Oher is good at is blocking one or two bigs. Against a certain speed, he's revolving door-Oher.)

Anonymous Baseball Savant February 09, 2016 10:53 AM  

Another tidbit about Manning's performance, according to Football Outsiders DVOA metric, Carolina's 2015 defense was the 4th best of the last 5 years! The only teams ranking higher than Carolina in this span are the 2015 Broncos, 2013 Seahawks, and 2012 Bears.

It ranked as the 13th best defense over the last 10 years. Was Peyton great? No he wasn't but I don't think any QB comes in there & carves up the Carolina defense.

Blogger Hostem Populi February 09, 2016 10:54 AM  

The Broncos D was excellent this year, with an anemic offense. They beat the Panthers, soundly.

The 2000 Ravens were something else entirely. The offense was a joke, Dilfer became the textbook example of an irrelevant QB, but they CRUSHED the Giants. It wasn't even a game.

Anonymous VFM #6306 February 09, 2016 11:06 AM  

Jim Nance misspoke on the podium to Breast/Coast Scoobiak, too. He called him the first coach to win an SB for the team he played for.

No. That was Ditka. Scoobs was the first guy to win an SB as both player and coach for the same team.

Oh, and finally, the narrative was half right: it was old school vs. new school.

It is just that the Broncs were new school: green-blitz scoring defense and dinky coasting time-wasting pass offense vs. Carolina's old school run game plus deep passes from the pocket.

Manning's scoring drive at the opener was absolutely necessary to the win. Keep in mind that he still generated 11 points without defensive red zone assistance - if you count the 2 point conversion - or 9 if you don't...which either way is pretty much tied with what Cam was able to do in the same game.

I don't think Brady or Wilson or Rodgers would have done a ton better than Manning did in that game. Are they better QBs at this point? Obviously. But that game was going to be ugly-beautiful defensively no matter what. Brady, Wilson and Rodgers also have better backfields and offensive lines. Carolina D was feasting for a long time until their own offense showed it was happy to spot a couple of TDs.

Blogger Tank February 09, 2016 11:11 AM  

@VFM

Agree that that first drive was key. It was absolutely necessary to not let this game start like Carolina's other post season games. Even a little. That first drive set a different tone. Good thing, cause they generated almost nothing from there on in.

Anonymous BGKB February 09, 2016 11:19 AM  

Cam is a frontrunner. What does the direction his tears flow have to do with the game?

Bernie Sanders is a pawn by the Jews Doesn't everyone know sanders is a jewish Bolshevik?

cam...By the end he was hoping for pity flags from the refs to save him.

Those gay mudshark refs did all they could.

If you ever visit here don't say Frisco.

Or the puffs will get all pouty like Cam did. Its like putting the G first in GLBT it will trigger sjws.

Anonymous VFM #6306 February 09, 2016 11:47 AM  

Agree that that first drive was key. It was absolutely necessary to not let this game start like Carolina's other post season games. Even a little. That first drive set a different tone. Good thing, cause they generated almost nothing from there on in.

I agree that the later offensive six points after that was almost nothing, but it was the key barrier that Carolina could not overcome. I'm pretty sure Osweiler could have got them those six, but I'm not sure he gets them the key 3. And really, as far as the offense goes, Kubiak's built the o to get between 9 and 21 points...not 8 or fewer.

I hate that, mind you - really ugly to watch. But I can't argue with the results.

Of course none of this matters as much as the fact that Denver's D very practically outscored both offenses and that's what did it. They were monstrous.

Of course, it didn't hurt that Manning/Kubiak actually changed a few things up, while Carolina never made a single adjustment. Not one that I saw. They were running the exact same thing they did against Seattle. It was stupid, because even that offense only worked for one half.

Anonymous BGKB February 09, 2016 11:56 AM  

It's both exciting and strange to see the X-Files back.

What if there is no conspiracy and affirmative action govt workers really are this stupid?

Blogger Wrangler February 09, 2016 11:59 AM  

@39 Ginn ALWAYS runs out of bounds, he's pathetic. He should play flag football. Giving up that opportunity when neither team could move the ball is inexcusable.

Blogger OGRE February 09, 2016 12:20 PM  

I don't think we can credit the Denver O with 11 points.

I'd say 8 points: The opening drive for 3, the third quarter field goal for 3, and the 2pt conversion. The first TD was by the D of course, the 2nd field goal was after the big punt return in which the O gained 1 yard on the series, and the final TD was from the late fumble. So I'd say 13 points directly for the D, 3 for special teams, and 8 for the offense.

Anonymous VFM #6306 February 09, 2016 12:28 PM  

Yep. Forgot about the punt return screw up by Carolina.

Blogger OGRE February 09, 2016 12:43 PM  

The funny thing is that if Denver never ran an offensive play, if they just punted the ball on 1st down every series or attempted a FG..they still would have won.

Take away the 6 points from offensive drives and turn the final TD into a FG and Denver wins 13 to 10. Maybe even take away the Carolina FG since that was off Mannings fumble.

OpenID sigbouncer February 09, 2016 1:10 PM  

"Cam is a frontrunner."

Knowing this. How bad of a call was Rivera's electing to have his defense take the opening series of the game after winning the coin toss?

Kubiak and his WCO scripted plays to open the game could very well have taken the air out of Carolina's ball offensively. I mentioned this in the Super Bowl blog here. Kubiak's scripted plays to open the game and 3rd quarter were pretty much the only times Denver moved the offense. Save the long run from CJ Anderson. I think it would have been much better to put Newton and the offense out there to open the game.

Another thing I didn't like with Rivera/Carolina was not having RB Cameron Artis Payne active for the game. I think this hurt their efforts of getting any sembelance of a running game going. Especially with Stewart going down early in the game and them having to go to Fozzy and Tolbert.

OpenID sigbouncer February 09, 2016 1:17 PM  

One other thing on the opening drive that most probably missed.

During the 3rd and 8 play (or maybe it was 2nd and 8?) when Denver was inside the Carolina 15. Peyton was all in on his two WRs to the right side. He completely blew the fact that he had trips set up on the left side with a WR out wide and a double TE set in the slot. The coverage on that side of the field consisted of just 1 Carolina corner and 1 Carolina linebacker on the two TEs. With no safety back on that side of the field. The Panthers were confused by the double TE set in the slot and didn't know their coverages.

If Peyton would have simply looked to the left pre or post snap he would have seen this and had an easy first down, possibly even a touchdown.

OpenID sigbouncer February 09, 2016 1:19 PM  

To clarify above: 1 Carolina corner on the WR out wide. And just 1 Carolina linebacker in the slot covering the 2 tight ends. Leaving 1 of the tight ends uncovered.

Anonymous patrick kelly February 09, 2016 1:23 PM  

Manning: Could be the singing commentator, describing entire games with that NationWide melody - "He really should have caught that ball.....sacks like that can hurt real bad....the refs were blind and missed that call...."

Cam: His hesitancy to dive on that fumble had less to do with my impression that I was watching him quit than the looks on his face and body language. He looked scared, due to confusion and worried. He appeared rattled and defeated.

Tebow: He was never, and will never be, a good NFL caliber QB, get over him.

Blogger bob k. mando February 09, 2016 4:34 PM  

19. BassmanCO February 09, 2016 7:46 AM
And the Marino argument can be made with at least a few other quarterbacks.



hey, i'm not saying Manning is bad. i'm not even saying he's not great.

but Puppymonkeybabby could have done a better job in that game. Tim Tebow *would* have done a better job in that game.

you don't enter the Super Bowl with the *worst* QB rating for any Super Bowl starter EVER, back that rating up with the worst winning QB performance EVER, and then start jumping up and down declaring that this win means that Manning is the "greatest QB of all time".

IF Manning was GOAT
THEN he was GOAT *before* the 2015 season started.

and there's no way Manning could have even been alive to start this season under the pre-2000 rule book. he'd have died on the field already.

face it, Manning has spent his entire career falling on his face in the playoffs. and the only reason it doesn't look like he fell on his face this time around is because ... he can't hardly have had a worse QB performance and gotten to the SB.

this win is on the Denver defense. period.


36. Nate February 09, 2016 10:39 AM
Peyton always said "You play until you suck." Its abundantly clear its time for him to hang it up.



agreed. Peyton can do any damn thing he feels like. tv, coaching, assistance, probably work a front office Elway type deal. he can work as hard or easy as he wants.

UNLESS he has some secret knowledge that he's on the verge of healing up from some season long, nagging injury he needs to get the hell off of the field.

as much for his own safety and physical health as anything.



55. patrick kelly February 09, 2016 1:23 PM
Tebow: He was never, and will never be, a good NFL caliber QB,



didn't say he was.

but this was definitely a Tebow game.

Blogger tublecane February 09, 2016 5:16 PM  

Why the hyperbole over Manning? Let's agree he's had the worst season of any superbowl winning quarterback ever. Still, nothing you write is appropriate. He had fewer turnovers than the superior Newton, who also, by the way, didn't throw for a touchdown. He at least threw a two-point conversion. He did well enough on the opening drive to deserve partial credit for the field goal.

The rest of it sucked, so much so that his ciach correctly played prevent offense with several minutes to go in a one score game. They also won by points from the defense and a big set up by special teams. But come on, he didn't do nothing, and in a lot of ways the other guy did worse (because of the Denver defense, no equivalent of which was faced by Manning).

Also, the interception wasn't dumb. The defender made a smart play. Is every interception that's not the result of a tip, a brilliant defensive play, or intense pressure on the quarterback suddenly "dumb?"

Blogger tublecane February 09, 2016 5:29 PM  

@10-For those with crunch-time myopia, let me make the case for Manning as greatest quarterback of all time (not that I care much about him specifically, nor that I know much about him particularly):

most career passing yards
most career touchdown passes
most career wins as qb
most season passing yards
most season touchdown passes
highest yards per game in a season
most single game passing touchdowns

This is getting boring. He holds pretty much every record you can have as qb, including some related to the playoffs, besides the iron man and interception records (Favre), and superbowl and playoff win records.

Anonymous VFM #6306 February 09, 2016 5:33 PM  

He can't turn his head that way anymore sigbouncer. Reason 353 for retirement. His vision has narrowed. He is playing against ghosts.

Anonymous tublecane February 09, 2016 5:36 PM  

I don't understand the going out on top mentality. Who cares about storylines, aside from reporters? They can shut up. You don't have to go out on a high note if you're not a Las Vegas performer.

Does anyone care about Michael Jordan's Wizards career at this point? (They do still care about his baseball career, but that's another issue.) Does it in any way diminish his jumper against the Jazz? Heck no.

Anonymous AT February 09, 2016 6:07 PM  

The sideline view of Newton failing to dive for the ball is very misleading due to lack of depth perception. The TV network only replayed the endzone view once on TV, but it shows that Newton and the ball are both moving toward the sideline at a 45 degree angle. A Denver defensive lineman hits the ball and stops it cold meaning that if Newton dove at that point he would have simply launched himself over the ball toward the sideline. He stops and rises up to change the angle of his pursuit and at that moment the Panthers lineman comes flying in. Here is the only endzone view of the play I was able to find online:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPKkCglgAF8

Just another example of how pathetically stupid and lazy the media are and how quickly they will run with the entirely wrong storyline as long as it fits their conventional wisdom.

Blogger RobertT February 09, 2016 6:42 PM  

There's one other thing everyone keeps missing, other than the Broncos themselves. They have been fighting for their lives all year long. They won no blowouts. Not a single one. I can't find the actual scores but I believe every win was by less than a touchdown. (I believe) the Super Bowl was their biggest margin of victory all year. At first that kind of troubled me. But after a while I started expecting a late miracle, and it usually happened. These broncos were battle hardened in a way to other team has been in a long time.

Anonymous Fisk Ellington Rutledge III February 09, 2016 6:52 PM  

Ha ha. I remember when San Francisco was the hometown of "The Man Who Reads Playboy." Those guys were into muscle cars, liquor and the ladeez. They dressed sharp. They were squared away for real. They're still there. They will rise again.

Anonymous WaterBoy February 09, 2016 7:00 PM  

RobertT: "They won no blowouts. Not a single one. I can't find the actual scores but I believe every win was by less than a touchdown. (I believe) the Super Bowl was their biggest margin of victory all year."

Scores are here, for one. Largest MOV in the regular season was 19 over Green Bay, then 14 over San Diego, then 12 over Detroit. Superbowl MOV of 14 ties for second largest, so you were close.

Blogger Azimus February 09, 2016 7:05 PM  

VD:
Wade Phillips is probably the best defensive coordinator in the league. He should stick with that; why be a mediocre head coach when you can be a great coordinator?


Agreed. The skills to run a regiment like Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain don't always translate to running an Army Corps like Stonewall Jackson.

If Manning doesn't ride off into the sunset with his second Super Bowl ring, he's lost the plot. It's a great ending... so let it be the ending and retire.

I think the only question to be settled now is will he start as a Coordinator level coach at a major NCAA program or will he be handed a head coach job at some mid-card school like Illinois?

Blogger bob k. mando February 09, 2016 8:47 PM  

43. VFM #6306 February 09, 2016 11:06 AM
I don't think Brady or Wilson or Rodgers would have done a ton better than Manning did in that game.



funny you should pick those three. because, you see, Wilson and Rodgers both played against Carolina this year ...

out of 19 games, P.Manning's effort ranked
15th worst in passer rating
tied for 13th worst in passing efficiency ( att / comp )
18th worst for yardage
13th worst ( tied w/ 7 ) for 0 TD production
not too godawful for Ints thrown, ranking 3rd w/ten other guys at 1 Int


Wilson had 366yds and a 91.14 QBR
Rodgers had 369yds and a 96.61 QBR

this is versus P.Manning's 141yds, 57% completions and 56.61 rating.

amusingly, even E.Manning does a better job against Carolina because, yes, the Giants played them this year.
245yds and 96.74 QBR

your third 'comparison QB', Brady, lost to the best defense in the league. that is, a better defense than Carolina.

how did Brady do against Denver, even with no O-line protection?

310yds, 48% completions and a 56.4 QBR.

put him in against a not so competent defense like, say, Carolina and those numbers are going to go up.

QB's of the exalted stature of Mallett, Ryan and Mariota all posted better games vs the Panthers.

the numbers flatly deny your assertion.

Anonymous Jack Amok February 09, 2016 11:27 PM  

If you ever visit here don't say Frisco.

Sure, so long as you don't claim Frisco is Northern California.

They have been fighting for their lives all year long. They won no blowouts. Not a single one.

Seahawk's fan here, welcome to our world. A strong defense and an erratic offense lead to a lot of close games. Also a lot of exiting games, and a lot of wins. (BTW, I find it poetic - not to mention a testament to the Broncos' organization - that two years after having the "Best Offense In History" dismantled in the SB by the league's best defense, they made it back by flipping the script and dominating the game with their defense).

As far as Newton goes, he's a punk. If you're going to showboat when you win, you have to show up when you lose. Showboating is rubbing your opponent's nose in it. "I just sored and you couldn't stop me, so now you get to watch me dance."

Fine. But you can't run and hide when you lose and the other team wants to rub your nose in it.

Anonymous jdgalt February 13, 2016 3:46 PM  

What could "the Jews" do by pulling Bernie Sanders' strings that Soros isn't already doing by pulling Obama's strings?

Of course, the Jews I know would have nothing to do with Sanders or Soros. Some of them escaped from the Soviet Union themselves.

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