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Thursday, February 11, 2016

Rabid Puppies 2016: Dramatic Presentation (long)

Although the ancient geezers of fandom don't seem to know it, or are just too old to either know or care about games, both computer and video games are eligible for the Hugo Award for Dramatic Presentation Long Form as they are included in the definition of "any medium of dramatized science fiction or fantasy" that lasts more than 90 minutes. Ergo, my recommendations for the category will probably look a little different than most this year.

  • The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt
  • Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain
  • Until Dawn
  • Avengers: Age of Ultron
  • The Martian
I should mention that this is NOT my list of the three best games of the year, because not all games are dramatic presentations nor are they all science fiction and fantasy. These are simply the best dramatic presentations of science fiction and fantasy longer than 90 minutes, three of which happen to be games.

Other 2016 Hugo categories
UPDATE: If you still haven't received your pin number from MidAmericaCon II, email them at hugopin@midamericon2.org and request it.

In other news, lest you doubt that the SJWs in SF will do anything and everything they can to ensure that their stacked decked remains stacked in their favor, the Hugo administrators at MidAmericaCon II have announced, contra previous promises, that they will not release nominating data in any form to anyone... except those to whom they have already given it.
Other than the EPH validation, it is not our intention to release nominating data in any form, even to other people wishing to test software under an NDA.  The Hugo administrators already have sufficient software to handle the needs of the awards even if the nomination counting rules ends up being confirmed as changed at the business meeting in Kansas City.
This statement completely lacks credibility, as do all of the public statements of those to whom the data was given, because "the people they gave the data announced on file 770 that they had not only ran Single Vote Transferable on the data, but had examined the data to count puppy ballots and slate discipline."

The behavior of the Hugo administrators is dishonest and downright antiscientific. If the data is not open and cannot be replicated, it must be ignored. Nothing the Hugo administrators' pet investigators announce should be taken at face value by anyone, pro or con. It can be easily dismissed by a simple statement of fact: "So you say. Where is the evidence to support that?"

I'm not saying this because I oppose EPH. To the contrary, I support it, because EPH enshrines the Rabid Puppies as one of the five primary factions in science fiction and gives us equal status with the Tor Cabal. So, I fully support the decision of the fandom to give the Supreme Dark Lord of the Evil Legion of Evil the right to at least one nomination per category in perpetuity. It gives the Tor Cabal the same, of course (which is why it was a cabal initiative), and initially the other two or three factions will reliably favor Tor in reaction to the establishment of the Puppies, but that will change over time, as deals are made and new alliances are formed.

As I have said, I am a patient man.

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74 Comments:

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 February 11, 2016 8:21 AM  

VD: I'm really, really curious what your opinion of The Talos Principle was.

I enjoyed that game very much - I thought the story was really interesting, even if they left a lot of loose ends - but I think a religious person would have a very different perspective on it from an atheist like me.

Blogger Nate February 11, 2016 8:29 AM  

What? No fallout 4?

Anonymous Holmwood February 11, 2016 8:31 AM  

Steam lists a release date of Dec 11, 2014 for The Talos Principle. Would it therefore fail to qualify? PS4 and Android versions were released in 2015.

Blogger Jack Ward February 11, 2016 8:35 AM  

OK. Its Wed. and no word from Mid con. I am assuming, maybe in error, that, being a qualified nominator due to membership in Sasquan last year I would get a pin from them? Or, with Vox revelation this post, maybe they are full blown anti-puppy enough to lie cheat and maybe steal to lick up on Tor's privates.

Blogger Jack Ward February 11, 2016 8:36 AM  

Oh, and for me its got to be The Martian.

Anonymous IndecisiveEvidence February 11, 2016 8:37 AM  

Your taste in games triggers me VD but I see the real game here and even Witcher and Rolling Gear Solid: The Grinding Pain are worthy of their slots considering the competition and the state of the Hugos.

Blogger VD February 11, 2016 8:38 AM  

What? No fallout 4?

Definitely not.

Steam lists a release date of Dec 11, 2014 for The Talos Principle. Would it therefore fail to qualify?

Drat. You're right. I missed that. Okay, I had another contender anyhow.

Blogger Christopher Yost February 11, 2016 8:38 AM  

Fallout 4's story is crap. Smooth gameplay, though. Wish the Brotherhood would stop looking for places to crash.

Blogger VD February 11, 2016 8:41 AM  

Replaced The Talos Principle with Until Dawn.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 February 11, 2016 8:41 AM  

Well, it would have to be The Martian for me. Shame about Talos.

Blogger Shimshon February 11, 2016 8:42 AM  

This must be one of things discussed at the relevant brainstorm(s). I did not see that coming. Very cool. Nonetheless, the secretive voting means any published result is likely suspect.

Blogger VD February 11, 2016 8:45 AM  

Its Wed. and no word from Mid con. I am assuming, maybe in error, that, being a qualified nominator due to membership in Sasquan last year I would get a pin from them?

Contact them, as per their instructions. I very much doubt they are playing games with the memberships.

Blogger FP February 11, 2016 8:47 AM  

Witcher 3 for sure among that group. Although MGSV had the flaming flying whale. Avengers was meh, ok.

Anonymous 204 February 11, 2016 8:48 AM  

I'm struggling to see why phantom pain made the list. Does it have a good story? I never found out because of how boring the missions got.

Anonymous IndecisiveEvidence February 11, 2016 8:57 AM  

Now Until Dawn is something I can get behind.

204, no it doesn't but the competition for this category is Fallout 4 and Dr. Who episodes.

Blogger Shimshon February 11, 2016 9:02 AM  

If you go to this link and email the address therein, you will get a response. Include your Sasquan Member Number as a reference.

Blogger VD February 11, 2016 9:09 AM  

I'm struggling to see why phantom pain made the list. Does it have a good story? I never found out because of how boring the missions got.

You shut your mouth! Now say 20 Kojima-samas as penance.

Blogger Vis De Loupen VFM #8689 February 11, 2016 9:15 AM  

Witcher 3 or Phantom Rain or Martian . Why do you have to make this so hard for us, our lord?!?!

Blogger VD February 11, 2016 9:21 AM  

Witcher 3 or Phantom Rain or Martian . Why do you have to make this so hard for us, our lord?!?!

Au contraire. I make it very, very easy for everyone.

Anonymous IndecisiveEvidence February 11, 2016 9:32 AM  

Kohima INTENDED for the story to have no real point or ending! That's why it's called the phantom pain! He's making you feel phantom pain.

Kojima got you all again! What a master.

The only way it could have been better is if boss ripped off the mask at the end and SURPRISE IT WAS RAIDEN ALL ALONG EVEN IN MGS3. HEY ROSE YOU KNOW WHAT DAY IT IS THE DAY I OWNED A BUNCH OF NERDS LOL.

Blogger Jack Ward February 11, 2016 9:37 AM  

#16 Thanks Shim. I will pursue; with all due diligence.

Anonymous Literally Jew February 11, 2016 10:04 AM  

This just in: GamerGate won.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother February 11, 2016 10:08 AM  

Fallout 4 is amazing and should be the best game of all time.

Anonymous NateM February 11, 2016 10:19 AM  

different category, but my vote for Best Editor? Patrick Nielsen Hayden. What would honestly piss him off more, Not getting a nom for the category he hand created, or getting the nom from people who he hates?

Blogger Skylark Thibedeau February 11, 2016 10:24 AM  

I'd have to say I'm for 'The Martian" Haven't played the video games yet and thought 'Age of Ultron' was OK on the 'Project Almanac' OK scale.

Blogger VD February 11, 2016 10:29 AM  

What would honestly piss him off more, Not getting a nom for the category he hand created, or getting the nom from people who he hates?

First, doing things "to piss them off" or "make their heads explode" is stupid and unproductive. Second, you don't piss off an awards-chaser by giving him awards. We already know that not getting a nomination would piss him off more.

Blogger Ingot9455 February 11, 2016 10:32 AM  

No Undertale? Puzzle game with bullet hell gameplay, two radically divergent pathways, humor and charm? Built by one hard working individual? Great music?

Blogger praetorian February 11, 2016 10:44 AM  

OT: more SJW convergence at work at Soundcloud

http://www.factmag.com/2016/02/11/soundcloud-financial-report-44m-losses/

Soundcloud kicked The Daily Shoah off their platform last year...

Blogger Ingot9455 February 11, 2016 10:55 AM  

While I enjoy Fallout 4, the story is painfully linear (unlike the previous Fallouts) and requires you to take some serious out-of-character actions in order to see all the content.

There are some good lines at times, though not enough of them. And everyone who plays it should wait until at least 11 pm and turn out all the lights in the house, and maybe ask the weather to cue up a thunderstorm outside before heading into the Glowing Sea.

Anonymous VFM #6306 February 11, 2016 11:01 AM  

Not a great idea to put a dramatic tale about a child's interactions with underground monsters in front of the pedophiles of Phandom, Ingot9455. Too on the nose.

Blogger Student in Blue February 11, 2016 11:22 AM  

Not to mention the fandom of Undertale. Yech. Yechhhhhh.

Anonymous Laz February 11, 2016 11:31 AM  

Was The Martian really that good? The previews made it seem a lot like Gravity, which sucked.

Blogger Krul February 11, 2016 11:34 AM  

Laz wrote:Was The Martian really that good? The previews made it seem a lot like Gravity, which sucked.

Yes. Book is better, natch, but film is definitely award worthy.

Blogger RobertT February 11, 2016 11:34 AM  

From HuffPo
5-year-olds: Old age begins at 13.
13-year-olds: Old age begins at 30.
30-year-olds: Old age begins at 50.
50-year-olds: Old age begins at 75.
75-year-olds: Never. And go away.

Blogger RobertT February 11, 2016 11:34 AM  

From HuffPo
5-year-olds: Old age begins at 13.
13-year-olds: Old age begins at 30.
30-year-olds: Old age begins at 50.
50-year-olds: Old age begins at 75.
75-year-olds: Never. And go away.

Anonymous IndecisiveEvidence February 11, 2016 11:38 AM  

Snake handles like a Cadillac in TPP. No TPS protagonist comes close. It's a work of art.

The problem is that absolutely no level in TPP is even halfway good enough to be worth Snake's moveset. The stealth mechanics are pretty corny too and so much of the game is about collecting a thousand grindbits. It's like 2/3rds of a really good game and the rest is just trash. And I don't even think the Kojima drama is why it's so weak. I think like with MGS2, Kojima just tried to throw in too much nonsense. Ground Zeroes is better with one level than EVERYTHING TPP has to offer.

I liked Undertale but the fanbase is atrocious and I don't see it as a long term classic. The humor is absolutely spot on and always a hoot and the combat is just consistently fun and presented extremely well.

But by the end it's just "go through Disneyland and choose to kill Goofy and Pluto or not to kill them." The game does an admirable job of avoiding the indie style wankery that would normally come with the tricks it uses but by the end there's just nothing to say but a group hug for people who have very little testosterone. It is probably the least manly game I've ever played.

Anonymous VFM #6306 February 11, 2016 11:47 AM  

The Martian movie is good, especially when they focus on the redneck duct-taping his way out of the tight spot on the rock, pretty much with potatoes and explosives. It has a whole diverse cast of magically white-man-like "others" who end up providing the material for the happy ending, but we're talking Hollywood here. The "white man on Mars" parts are good enough for the Hugo. It is no Apollo 13, but I'd put it on this list too. Had a lot of fun and the Party-Mandated Kumbaya Gang were suitably useless enough to make it salvageable.

Blogger Krul February 11, 2016 11:59 AM  

VFM #6306 wrote:It has a whole diverse cast of magically white-man-like "others" who end up providing the material for the happy ending, but we're talking Hollywood here.

I wouldn't go that far. The non-whites are mostly Asians, Indian or Chinese, so that's believable. On the other hand, the mission commander is a man-with-tits played very implausibly by a cute redhead, but it's not a huge deal.

Blogger The Observer February 11, 2016 11:59 AM  

@38 I liked Undertale but the fanbase is atrocious and I don't see it as a long term classic.

Exactly. Remember when Five Nights at Freddy's was all the rage? Now it's fallen from view. Undertale is pretty much a flash in the pan.

by the end there's just nothing to say but a group hug for people who have very little testosterone. It is probably the least manly game I've ever played.

Which is probably why it's accumulated the most horrible tumblr fanbase. I once saw a "humantale" picture floating about on twitter that was the most concentrated wankery ever.

If Toby Fox had been just a little less heavy-handed on the "you can't kill people forever for any reason and everyone is really good inside and wants to be your friend", it might have been a little better, but randomly slaughtering people for no good reason in RPGs is his big bone to pick with the genre.

Blogger Ingot9455 February 11, 2016 12:04 PM  

Undertale: points taken. Especially about the fanbase.

Blogger Student in Blue February 11, 2016 12:04 PM  

If Toby Fox had been just a little less heavy-handed on the "you can't kill people forever for any reason and everyone is really good inside and wants to be your friend", it might have been a little better, but randomly slaughtering people for no good reason in RPGs is his big bone to pick with the genre.

Sounds like someone got butthurt by murderhobos.

Anonymous malcolm February 11, 2016 12:06 PM  

Semi-OT: has anyone here read Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality. The last installment was published in March of 2015, so should be eligible for a Hugo Nomination.

I really liked it. I'm wondering if anyone else here read it. You can read about its Hugo Eligibility here: https://www.reddit.com/r/HPMOR/comments/3zr0it/harry_potter_and_the_2016_world_science_fiction/

Blogger Student in Blue February 11, 2016 12:10 PM  

@malcolm

It's pretentious wankery.

Blogger Krul February 11, 2016 12:15 PM  

Undertale.

Really great humor. Tons of fun with game/fantasy tropes. Also plays with the fourth wall in a way that's actually clever and entertaining. Some cool boss fights, too.

However, the game's "message" is basically this: "You're either a pussy or a monster, so be a pussy." In all your encounters, you're rewarded for finding ways to end the battle without hurting anyone, all while avoiding being hurt yourself. So I'm thinking, "These critters attacked ME, pal. I can see my health bar go down when they hit me. And you're going to tut-tut me for hitting back? Fuck that."

Also, a lot of the characters are avatars for the worst denizens of fandom. Gamma skeleton, fag robot, "adorable" lesbian love affair between fish girl and otaku lizard girl, etc.

Blogger Cataline Sergius February 11, 2016 12:16 PM  

These are simply the best dramatic presentations of science fiction and fantasy longer than 90 minutes, three of which happen to be games.


I wonder what else would qualify.

Maybe an entire season of a tv series, instead of just a single episode? (Not this year that I can think of...Well maybe Death Parade, that was pretty damn good). You can make the argument pretty easily these days given the length of story arcs.

Other considerations; when you include a game do you judge it solely on it's dramatic merits and never mind how much the game sucked on a technical level (hellloo PC version of Arkham Knight)

Anonymous Pierce O. February 11, 2016 12:19 PM  

Did anyone else see Ex_Machina? Felt like an old school sci-fi short story brought to life. Props to Vikander for making her robot character's movements not-quite-human-but-not-uncanny-valley.

Fury Road didn't have much in the way of plot, but was a hell of a ride.

Going to fly my weaboo flag and see if Madoka Magica: Rebellion qualifies due to the English dub not releasing until 2015. The writers pull off the feat of taking a closed time loop story, managing to find a way into the loop, and writing a fantastic sequel. Every time I think they're about to contradict the original and create a plot hole, they stick the landing and make everything fit. There's also an incredibly animated time-frozen gun duel in free fall that puts lesser sff set pieces to shame.

Blogger Cataline Sergius February 11, 2016 12:25 PM  

Second, you don't piss off an awards-chaser by giving him awards.

What if we had our own version of the Razzies?

Not that PNH or Scalzi would show up to collect. But in Scalzi's case, you know he would just have to read the award presentation. I don't know about PNH in that regard, he might be too delicate to look.

Anonymous Pierce O. February 11, 2016 12:32 PM  

@44 malcolm
I enjoyed it as well. It was a decontstruction of the source material that was still fun, probably because the author is clearly still a fan.

@47 Cataline Sergius
Entire arcs/seasons of a TV show can be nominated in the "Dramatic Presentation, Short Form" category if the last episode of the season aired in 2015. Psycho-Pass 2, which finished in 2015, is my top choice for that. I'd like to nominate Unlimited Blade Works too, but it suffers a lot in comparison to how bloody excellent Fate/Zero was.

Blogger J Melcher February 11, 2016 12:40 PM  

The problem with SF and Hugos is just a mild echo of a larger problem that is literally killing our communities and our children. This article about the guy who exposed the problem with drinking water in Flint Michigan explains:

http://chronicle.com/article/The-Water-Next-Time-Professor/235136/#sthash.PNPrZX1Z.dpuf


"So when you start asking questions about people, and you approach them as a scientist, if you feel like you’re talking to an adult and they give you a rational response and are willing to share data and discuss an issue rationally, I’m out of there. I go home.

But when you reach out to them, as I did with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, and they do not return your phone calls, they do not share data, they do not respond to FOIA [open-records requests], y’know. … In each case I just started asking questions and turning over rocks, and I resolved to myself, The second something slimy doesn’t come out, I’m gonna go home. But every single rock you turn over, something slimy comes out. "

Flip over the rocks at the WorldCon, see what happens.

Blogger Skylark Thibedeau February 11, 2016 12:41 PM  

We could have the Razzies, Called them the YUGO's. Award instead of a rocket could be a plastic Yugo glued to a pedestal

Blogger Gaiseric February 11, 2016 12:44 PM  

Laz wrote:Was The Martian really that good? The previews made it seem a lot like Gravity, which sucked.
Best sci-fi movie I've seen in a long time. In fact, one of the few actual sci-fi movies I've seen in a long time.

But that's as much praise of the movie as it is indictment of the industry.

Blogger Gaiseric February 11, 2016 12:48 PM  

Cataline Sergius wrote:
Maybe an entire season of a tv series, instead of just a single episode? (Not this year that I can think of...Well maybe Death Parade, that was pretty damn good). You can make the argument pretty easily these days given the length of story arcs.

Netflix Daredevil, maybe.

Anonymous Bz February 11, 2016 12:49 PM  

Harry Potter etc: I didn't read all of it, and I'll admit it was less bad than I had feared. The part I read felt far too smug, though it seemed to lessen a bit as the episodes went by. It faded on me, but maybe I should give it another shot.

Possibly that was because Yudkowsky and his gang seem ... not quite rational. More like they were appropriating the word, for a while. Then they jumped the shark with that basilisk business and I moved on.

Anonymous Holmwood February 11, 2016 1:03 PM  

"Did anyone else see Ex_Machina? Felt like an old school sci-fi short story brought to life. "

(spoilers). I couldn't get over the ridiculousness of an entrepreneur designing that dangerous an AI. If you look at the people warning the most about the dangers of AI, they tend to be engineer/entrepreneur types like Elon Musk. That just didn't ring true to me at all.

The sheer nihilism of the ending worked I guess for horror, but not generally SF.

Overall I found it repulsive and predictable.

I would not hesitate to No Award Ex Machina.

Tastes vary, though. My brother-in-law loved it, so you're certainly not alone.

Anonymous IndecisiveEvidence February 11, 2016 1:04 PM  

When I said Undertale wasn't going to stand the test of time, I didn't mean it was a meme shock game like FNAF. It has heart and a lot of clever writing and mechanics. What I mean to say is that there is nothing of consequence.

When I think back to games that stick out with me for narrative reasons, it's going to be Phoenix Wright Ace Attorney's absolute mastery of courtroom drama and the beautifully symbolic villainy of the Gregory Edgeworth case, Persona 4's ability to wring a series of genuinely human vignettes out of the most cliche anime setting imaginable, Ghost Trick's finale somehow making an extraordinarily tense finale out of just gravity and abominably bad luck.

In Undertale, at the end, all you did was really walk through a world and talk to a bunch of people who never really wanted to kill you. The author did pretty good with what he had but there was nothing at stake. You can't really say you accomplished anything. You saved your friends from a villain who is barely a threat to a little retarded kid with a butter knife.

Everyone is a cartoonish idiot so there is nothing to relate to in the story. The only human element is the despair of the one character who knows too much and his despair doesn't even make much sense given what he knows.

To put it into relief, the final spiel at the end where you can undo everything by resetting the game? That works in Undertale because it's a hokey cartoon. If they had made such a statement in Persona, in character, that the power of the zero can reverse everyone's year of growth or whatever, it would seem incredibly insulting and trivializing.

Blogger Ostar February 11, 2016 1:07 PM  

VD - The Talos Principle
Saw this game for the first time thanks to you. Was on Steam special today, and just purchased it.

Anonymous Athor Pel February 11, 2016 1:32 PM  

"23. Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother February 11, 2016 10:08 AM
Fallout 4 is amazing and should be the best game of all time."



"...should be..."?
Don't you know whether it is or not?
You're really not selling the fanboy enthusiasm hard enough.

Blogger Ingot9455 February 11, 2016 2:02 PM  

The part of Undertale that 'got me' was the part where the main villain says, "If you give up, if you quit this game, I win. This little make believe world that I'm torturing, that I'm reveling in the pain of, I stay in charge forever." It was a good bit of breaking the fourth wall and involving the player with knowledge of the save-game mechanic.

There were also truly exciting gameplay portions where it was quite difficult, but not so difficult that I couldn't run through first go, meeting the challenges as they came, hanging on the edge of my seat, and making it to the end. And that's important - it was like a real-life gunfight in that you don't know what's coming and you get one chance at it yet it's very possible to come out the end - and that was a powerful feeling.

Blogger John Wright February 11, 2016 2:16 PM  

The Martian was an old fashioned Robinson Crusoe story set on Mars with old fashioned diamond-hard rock-solid hard SF. The story is one that could have happened this decade, if the Dems had not gutted the space program.

Also, a good adaptation of a book that was innately hard to adapt. It is about a man using his wits and his tech to survive in an environment more hostile than anything on earth could be. The challenges are realistic without either being overblown or too easy.

It read like something written by Arthur C Clarke or Bob Heinlein in his glory days. If you have read FALL OF MOONDUST, or 'Gentlemen, Be Seated' this is in that vein.

Yes, it is that good, and yes, it definitely deserves some recognition.

Anonymous Laz February 11, 2016 2:23 PM  

@56. Holmwood "I couldn't get over the ridiculousness of an entrepreneur designing that dangerous an AI. If you look at the people warning the most about the dangers of AI, they tend to be engineer/entrepreneur types like Elon Musk. That just didn't ring true to me at all."

I don't see why it doesn't ring true when Tesla and Google both are developing robots and "artificial intelligence" as we speak. Hell, Google has bought up almost all the companies into that kind of research.

Anonymous VFM #6306 February 11, 2016 3:31 PM  

The non-whites are mostly Asians, Indian or Chinese, so that's believable.

Yeah...except the eccentric genius black guy who figures everything out, and the black guy who replaces the Indian character from the book who is central to ground control decisions. And the weird military/co-ed dorm dynamic of the return ship. Also, the Chinese opportunism critical to the plot comes a bit to conveniently and altruistically at the end of the movie, when the book made it clear that it was happening all along.

These are quibbles though, seriously. It is surprising that the movie was so good and left so many SJW opportunities off the table: down to Mattwill Hunting playing an actual character straight-up and apolitical for once.

Anonymous Pierce O. February 11, 2016 4:08 PM  

Laz wrote:I don't see why it doesn't ring true when Tesla and Google both are developing robots and "artificial intelligence" as we speak. Hell, Google has bought up almost all the companies into that kind of research.

His criticism is not that an entrepreneur designed an AI, but that he designed a *dangerous* AI, viz., one without Asimov or Tezuka's Laws of Robotics. This was not an issue for me; while it might not ring true with contemporary engineers, the situation rang very true with cautionary SFF tales, from Jurassic Park going all the way back to Frankenstein. The proud genius never thinks anything could go wrong, or thinks at least that he has covered all eventualities. Given that the designed wanted an AI that could pass any Turing test, it did not surprise me that he might create a totally uninhibited AI. An AI programmed to cause no harm might fail a test where the appropriate human response would be aggression.

Blogger Krul February 11, 2016 4:51 PM  

@65 - "Yeah...except the eccentric genius black guy who figures everything out, and the black guy who replaces the Indian character from the book who is central to ground control decisions."

That right? I thought they were both Indian. Didn't the one guy say he's a Hindu? And isn't his name "Kapoor"?

Blogger FP February 11, 2016 5:23 PM  

@56

"The sheer nihilism of the ending worked I guess for horror, but not generally SF. "

I don't think I would no award it but yeah the ending was rather lame if an accurate portrayal of what a woman would do with a gamma white knight.

Anonymous Mr. Rational February 11, 2016 5:52 PM  

Cataline Sergius wrote:What if we had our own version of the Razzies?

Genius.  And I've got the perfect trophy for the award:  the burning paper plate "flying saucer" from Plan 9 from Outer Space.  We can even call them "the Woodie awards", after Ed Wood.  (Sorry, Skylark, but Yugos just aren't Sciffy.)

Anonymous Holmwood February 11, 2016 6:26 PM  

Amen to all John C. Wright said of The Martian.

Pierce O. wrote:His criticism is not that an entrepreneur designed an AI, but that he designed a *dangerous* AI, viz., one without Asimov or Tezuka's Laws of Robotics
Yep. And seemed completely unconscious of any risk to boot. I can see doing it, overcome with attraction (in any sense of the word) to the technology, but I can't see doing it quite so blindly, so implausibly and inexplicably ignorant of danger.

FP wrote:@56

[T]he ending was rather lame if an accurate portrayal of what a woman would do with a gamma white knight.

Fair point. I still think it somewhat fits as part and parcel of the George R. R. Martin era of nihilistic SF.

Blogger Nate February 11, 2016 9:19 PM  

"Definitely not. "

Fag.

Blogger overcaffeinated February 11, 2016 11:12 PM  

Haven't played it, but Witcher 3 seems to be Game of Thrones of video games, excellent production values but vulgar and nihilistic. Isn't the whole point of fantasy escapism to envision a world in which the true and beautiful is given pride of place? If I wanted barbarism and violence, believe me, all I have to do is get off at the wrong el stop.

You can have postmodern unreliable narrators and moral ambiguity -- Chrono Cross, for example. (Underrated PS1 game.) But you can do that without "edgy" swearing, nudity and gratuitous murder.

Darkness can be explored in a humane, civilized way. (E.g. Greek tragedy.) Witcher 3 seems to enjoy revelling it; to "rub your face" in it to épater la bourgeois. Again, I'm not quite so sheltered as to find that an exhilarating experience. I'm a bit beyond "Oh, my parents wouldn't like this!" personally. (And if you're so jaded that you can only get off on incestuous rape scenes, well, that's a whole other problem, isn't it?)

And while we're on the topic of barbarism, it's hard to discern why you, Cernovich and now Wright apparently are throwing your weight behind moral degenerate Arab mom's-basement-dwelling syphilitic john "Roosh." I'll just leave this here: https://twitter.com/ReturnOfKangz

Blogger The Other Robot February 11, 2016 11:17 PM  

Heh. Nominating games will bring in lots of interest from gamers.

That should cause some head exploding moments.

Anonymous Nathan February 11, 2016 11:38 PM  

@69,

Would love to see some manga in the Graphic Novel category for the same reason, but it looks like the manga readers on the Sad Puppies site aren't rallying around one or two titles like fans of some of the more traditional graphic novels. Not sure what, if anything, Vox might select this year for that category, but neglecting the category was a mistake for SP3.

Blogger Banjo February 12, 2016 8:39 AM  

@44 malcom: HPMOR

I read it as he released it and really enjoyed the thing. I followed the LessWrong crew from the Overcoming Bias blog so maybe I'm the target audience? Then again, I thought most of the LessWrongers were, indeed, pretentious wankers (I seem to recall LOTS of polyamory talk along with militant atheistic nonsense… from the old FAQ: “Most Less Wrong users consider religion to be a settled issue, so before arguing for theism, we recommend you get curious and read some solid atheist arguments”… bleh)

Anyway, the series (book?) is very enjoyable and the author calls out a lot of the nonsense in canon (the constant reaming of Quidditch and the Snitch is very satisfying).

The end sort of fizzled for me, but at least it has an ending. A lot of episodic fanfic does NOT.

Anonymous Rip February 12, 2016 10:17 AM  

Just FYI, if you haven't played something, you may want to refrain from commenting too much on it. Yes, Witcher 3 contains things that will offend those with delicate sensibilities, but it certainly isn't nihilistic or gratuitously barbaric, at least in my opinion. Unlike Nate's apparent favorite (which I still may have enjoyed even more), the main storyline seems more developed and not quite as forcibly linear, and there are ample opportunities to avoid violence that directly influence later stages of the game. The most explicit sexual scenes can be avoided easily enough simply by the choices that you, the player, make, and at least half the swearing could just as easily apply to planting a ploughin' field.

Blogger overcaffeinated February 12, 2016 11:33 PM  

@72

"planting a ploughin' field"

Not something I engage in on a regular basis. If I wanted to hear how plebs speak, I'd be one.

Anonymous Pax_Romana February 18, 2016 3:15 AM  

For next year, when the next assault crashes against SJW controlled media, I'd like to suggest "That Dragon, Cancer" as a possible Sci-fi/Fantasy video game. It is a more fantasy/parable/memory of a Christian family struggling with the their youngest child having cancer.

Even among the unredeemed, it is pretty widely praised. It may be one of the best representations of Christian faith in a visual medium that I have ever seen (with the possible exception of "The Passion of the Christ"). Despite having struggled with personal health crises for years, I cannot even imagine the pain the parents went through, and the storytelling tends to break me, just a little.

It is a short game, 2 hours of gameplay, but it is largely moot until next year, since it was released in the middle of January.

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