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Wednesday, February 03, 2016

Rand Paul drops out

Showing more sense than Jeb Bush and the other no-hopers, Sen. Rand Paul ends his presidential campaign:
Rand Paul on Wednesday dropped out of the race for president, saying he will now focus on his reelection to the U.S. Senate.

"It's been an incredible honor to run a principled campaign for the White House. Today, I will end where I began, ready and willing to fight for the cause of Liberty,” Paul said in a statement.
It's a pity, as his father's supporters were more than ready to support him, but Paul shot his presidential aspirations in the foot by moving to the center even as the center was moving to the nationalist right.

Despite being good on foreign policy, he got it hopelessly wrong on immigration and that rendered him moot in 2016. He's not bad, as politicians go, but he's simply not worthy of carrying his father's torch nor is he capable of doing so.

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Blogger Student in Blue February 03, 2016 10:16 AM  

It's a pity, as his father's supporters were more than ready to support him, but Paul shot his presidential aspirations in the foot by moving to the center even as the center was moving to the nationalist right.

Hear, hear.

Blogger bob k. mando February 03, 2016 10:16 AM  

it's a pleasure to watch a natural politician at work ...

http://i.imgur.com/7ECHwLn.gif

Blogger Josh February 03, 2016 10:18 AM  

RAND PAUL 2020 DOT COM

Blogger haus frau February 03, 2016 10:19 AM  

It is very unfortunate that he flirted around with amnesty. That killed the romance. If he had come out early against immigration he could have stolen Trump's thunder even with his record of supporting amnesty because unlike Trump he is widely viewed as principled and evangelical. It doesn't help that he works the crowd like a college professor. Trump bowls him, and every other candidate, over on charisma.

Blogger VFM #7191 February 03, 2016 10:19 AM  

Good riddance.

Blogger Josh February 03, 2016 10:20 AM  

I has a sad

Blogger Josh February 03, 2016 10:21 AM  

It's a pity, as his father's supporters were more than ready to support him, but Paul shot his presidential aspirations in the foot by moving to the center even as the center was moving to the nationalist right.

His campaign did a piss poor job of reaching out to his father's supporters and took the liberty movement for granted.

Blogger dienw February 03, 2016 10:22 AM  

@ 2. bob k. mando

That gif is disgusting. Even the young lady was repulsed. But that is what too many so-called conservatives want.

Blogger Salt February 03, 2016 10:25 AM  

Rand is either ignorant of or mistakes the historical trend. In 20 years people might be ready to start listening, but not today. Today is the time of a Trump or Cruz as the Empire hasn't exhausted itself yet.

Blogger Jung Slaving Bosoms of Liberty February 03, 2016 10:28 AM  

The curly hair makes him a non-starter.

Anonymous Alexander February 03, 2016 10:30 AM  

@7

That's what has struck me about Rand Paul from the beginning: a sense of dynastic entitlement.

He's not bad - as far as they go - but too often I get the sense that his family name lets him check the libertarian checkbox so he can get on with the very important business of moving to the center.

Without the current immigration race to the bottom, I probably would have given him a pass on that and supported him: certainly was leaning that way 2-3 years ago.

Blogger Nick S February 03, 2016 10:31 AM  

...the Empire hasn't exhausted itself yet.

I feel a great disturbance in the force.

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein February 03, 2016 10:33 AM  

Since I can no longer stand with Rand,I'll stump for Trump.

OpenID denektenorsk February 03, 2016 10:34 AM  

That gif is disgusting. Even the young lady was repulsed. But that is what too many so-called conservatives want.

That young lady is his daughter... and how else does one show he's a family man other than forced affection in public? The usual suspects are screaming rape culture!

Blogger Keef February 03, 2016 10:35 AM  

I'll be honest, I think he's the best liberty candidate running by far. I just don't think the country wants freedom.

The good news is that, assuming he's reelected to the senate, he will be a voice for liberty moving forward. People like he and Justin Amash give me some sense of optimism.

Blogger Guitar Man February 03, 2016 10:35 AM  

Watching the Trump meltdown on Twitter is very entertaining.

Seeing the one liberty minded candidate drop out sucks. But hopefully he'll do more good as a senator.

Blogger Josh February 03, 2016 10:36 AM  

That's what has struck me about Rand Paul from the beginning: a sense of dynastic entitlement.


@RosieGray
former advisor: "I don’t know if Rand really listens to anyone."

@RosieGray
frmr advisor to Rand: "It’s not even that he wasn’t getting traction, it’s that he went from being the heir apparent to just bottoming out"

Blogger VFM #7191 February 03, 2016 10:37 AM  

@7 His campaign did a piss poor job of reaching out to his father's supporters and took the liberty movement for granted.

He was too busy pandering to blacks and insulting his own (white) voter base. Rand might have some good political ideas, but he's a cuck and a terrible politician. Unlike his father.

Blogger Keef February 03, 2016 10:39 AM  

He will, guitar man.

I also think he may well help out the Cruz campaign as I (personally) think Cruz is more liberty minded than any other current campaign

Anonymous The S:PY February 03, 2016 10:41 AM  

Libertarians have a hard time understanding why open borders and free flow of labor are devastating ideas.

Rand was never a starter in my book.

Blogger Josh February 03, 2016 10:41 AM  

I also think he may well help out the Cruz campaign as I (personally) think Cruz is more liberty minded than any other current campaign

Cruz is probably the most liberty minded candidate not named Paul since Reagan.

Blogger Guitar Man February 03, 2016 10:41 AM  

Rand was an open borders guy?

Blogger Josh February 03, 2016 10:42 AM  

Rand was an open borders guy?

No

Blogger Gaiseric February 03, 2016 10:43 AM  

@16: What Trump meltdown? The discussion of the Cruz voter fraud? Which the Cruz campaign acknowledged and apologized (to Carson) for? I'd hardly call that a meltdown. But maybe you're referring to something else?

Blogger Dexter February 03, 2016 10:44 AM  

OT: Roosh causing British SJWs to foam at the mouth...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3429558/Professional-pick-artist-said-rape-allowed-private-property-banned-UK-say-anti-sexism-campaigners.html

Blogger Josh February 03, 2016 10:44 AM  

He was too busy pandering to blacks and insulting his own (white) voter base.

Can you cite examples of "pandering"?

Anonymous paradox February 03, 2016 10:45 AM  

@8 dienw

the young lady was repulsed.


That's Cruz's daughter. You would know this behavior, if you had children and not gorilla mind.

There are legitimate reasons to dislike the Canadian candidate, this isn't one.

Blogger Keef February 03, 2016 10:45 AM  

I can't disagree Josh. I also like how Cruz has a wild man streak kind of like Trump where he doesn't capitulate to dissenters.

Honestly a Cruz presidency with trump as attack dog vp would be so interesting

Blogger Guitar Man February 03, 2016 10:46 AM  

Trump, making second place great again.

Blogger Were-Puppy February 03, 2016 10:52 AM  

Another open borders guy down. Bunch more to go.

Blogger FALPhil February 03, 2016 10:53 AM  

@16 Seeing the one liberty minded candidate drop out sucks. But hopefully he'll do more good as a senator.

Guitarman, the national legislature is irrelevant. All they do is rubber stamp what the president wants. Even the GOP controlled congress in place today does this. They bloviate about executive orders, Obamacare, spending, etc., and DO NOTHING.

Blogger JaimeInTexas February 03, 2016 10:53 AM  

Rand kissed the ring of the warring chicken-sh?t-hawks.

Rand did not even seem to understand his father anti-immigration platform: cannot have open borders without first dismantling the welfare/warefare state.

What a waste of a legacy! *** shaking head ***

Blogger Were-Puppy February 03, 2016 10:54 AM  

@28 Keef

Honestly a Cruz presidency with trump as attack dog vp would be so interesting
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It's aboot time someone cheered foreign usurpers, eh?

Blogger JaimeInTexas February 03, 2016 10:55 AM  

Rand Paul on immigration:
https://www.randpaul.com/issue/immigration

I do not support amnesty, but rather I support a legal immigration process. I recognize that our country has been enriched by those who seek the American Dream and have a desire for a better life. However, millions of illegal immigrants are crossing our border without our knowledge, and this threatens our national security.

As President, I would secure our border immediately. Before issuing any visas or starting the legal immigration process, we must first ensure that our border is secure.

(snip)

Blogger praetorian February 03, 2016 10:56 AM  

This is the way libertarianism ends, this is the way libertarianism ends, this is the way libertarianism ends...

Rand's campaign failure ends of any possibility of a libertarian-republican national movement. It's the moderate whimper after the bang of Ron's campaign failure. Libertarians have started preference-cascading into nationalism, with the resident super-genius as the canonical example. Libertarianism will become even more autistic and irrelevant as the pragmatists check out.

Say what one will about Nationalist Libertarianism, but at least it's a ethos.

Blogger Guitar Man February 03, 2016 10:57 AM  

@34 - That sounds like a good plan. Doesn't sound open border to me.

Blogger Kentucky Packrat February 03, 2016 10:57 AM  

Rand will be lucky if he gets to keep his seat. All of the Ditch Mitch people are now against Rand, and he's made a lot of people mad trying to run for both President and Senate, against the rules the Republicans helped push through in Kentucky in the first place (to keep Democrats from running for 2 offices simultaneously).

I'm so sick of him for switching to Mitch, I'm up for just about anyone else.

Blogger JaimeInTexas February 03, 2016 11:01 AM  

@36
Follow the link and read the rest.

Blogger Student in Blue February 03, 2016 11:06 AM  

I recognize that our country has been enriched by those who seek the American Dream and have a desire for a better life.

"Enriched".

Too bad 99.9% of those people never understood the American Dream in the first place and kept voting for how it was back home.

Anonymous Til February 03, 2016 11:08 AM  

It's easy to be all for building a wall after Trump took all the bullets for you.

That does not impress me.

There is only one man tearing down PC with gusto. The rest are hangers-on.

Blogger The Other Robot February 03, 2016 11:12 AM  

Meanwhile, what do you mean the FED can't prevent deflation?

Blogger Dexter February 03, 2016 11:15 AM  

I recognize that our country has been enriched by those who seek the American Dream and have a desire for a better life.

Just like you can enrich a bowl of ice cream by adding a scoop of dog poo.

Blogger Guitar Man February 03, 2016 11:16 AM  

@40, he's been wanting to secure the border for longer than Trump's been in the political game.

Blogger CM February 03, 2016 11:17 AM  

Ot:

Trump was nominated for a nobel peace prize.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/donald-trump-nominated-for-nobel-peace-prize-for-vigorous-peace-through-strength-ideology-a6850636.html

Anonymous Case February 03, 2016 11:17 AM  

Rand allowed himself to be manipulated into destroying his base by going on Hannity and endorsing Romney over his father.

I knew then that he was weak and lacked character.

Blogger CM February 03, 2016 11:18 AM  

Rand was my #1.

All in for Trump.

Blogger VFM #7191 February 03, 2016 11:21 AM  

@26 Can you cite examples of "pandering"?

How many do you want?

http://www.vdare.com/articles/rand-pauls-pandering-on-ferguson-foolish-and-unlibertarian

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2307094/Senator-Rand-Paul-tells-Howard-University-Democrats-racism-Jim-Crow.html

http://www.amren.com/news/2015/05/rand-paul-bill-clinton-put-generation-of-black-men-in-prison/

http://crooksandliars.com/2014/10/rand-paul-panders-african-american-voters

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/rand-paul-black-lives-matter_us_563bac43e4b0411d307013e6?section=politics

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/22/rand-paul-minority-outreach_n_4319239.html

Blogger Josh February 03, 2016 11:25 AM  

Criminal justice reform isn't pandering. Opposing the police state has been a libertarian principle since forever.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan February 03, 2016 11:26 AM  

Anyone or any organization that professes belief in the Blank Slate Theory is a fraud, hello libertoons

Blogger Student in Blue February 03, 2016 11:27 AM  

@44 CM

Trump was nominated for a nobel peace prize.

What.

I hope he doesn't take it. The Nobel Peace Prize has lost pretty much all public credibility after giving it to Obama for simply not being Bush II.

Blogger Josh February 03, 2016 11:28 AM  

Rand allowed himself to be manipulated into destroying his base by going on Hannity and endorsing Romney over his father.

I knew then that he was weak and lacked character.


1. He endorsed Romney after Ron had ended his campaign.
2. He promised Kentucky voters in the 2010 Senate campaign that he would support the 2012 nominee.
3. Look at the list of questionable endorsements Ron made in the past.

OpenID sigbouncer February 03, 2016 11:28 AM  

Unfortunately young Paul isn't a straight shooter and doesn't stick to his guns like the elder Paul does. Rand isn't a flip flopper on Ted Cruz level. But still it's difficult to gain respect when one strays from what got him that respect in the beginning.

Anonymous Philalethes February 03, 2016 11:30 AM  

In some ~60 years of observing the political scene, the only figure who's ever inspired true respect was Ron Paul. I first heard of him in 1981, the year my real political education began with an introduction to the work of Irwin Schiff (may he RIP). Over the next 25 years, I gradually learned that pretty much everything I'd been told and taught in early life about history, politics, economics, social issues and so on was a tapestry of lies. Thus Dr. Paul's consistent truth-speaking became increasingly refreshing.

I had the pleasure of meeting him in 1988, when the local Libertarian Party hosted him for a couple days; there was truly something different about him, a kind of aura of peace and clarity. As Mark Twain noted, if you don't lie you can relax, because you're not constantly trying to keep track of everything you've said.

I sent him a little money now and then – the only "politician" I've ever so supported – and became excited again briefly in 2007 when he stepped out and blew up the GOP's business-as-usual process in his quiet, courteous way. For a few months there seemed to be a lot of excitement, but after the NH primary it became clear it was only a small group of (very enthusiastic) people who could even begin to understand what he was about. I'd even considered registering to vote – as a Republican, which would have caused heart attacks among family and old friends – but as my state's primary was one of the last, I'd lost interest by the deadline.

It's said that the Evil One can't get to you unless you already have a little evil in yourself. Ron Paul doesn't seem to have that, and I guess that's why They never got to him. He was a mystery to everybody in Washington; how could anybody work so tirelessly there if he wasn't motivated by a desire for a little of this, a little of that? It seems he really was what he presented himself to be: the archetype of the responsible Citizen who takes time from his busy life to serve the polity. He was the only person in that cesspool who actually deserved the appellation "Honorable".

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Blogger Adm Trell February 03, 2016 11:30 AM  

@37

That will hurt him. Nonetheless, folks in KY need to be thankful that you've got someone like Rand, and not the freaking 'conservatives' we've got up here in Ohio... our governor, senators, state reps, and most of our county pols are all corrupt and only look out for themselves and their cronies. Even with his imperfections, Rand is 10x the man that our pitiful governor used to be.

Blogger Josh February 03, 2016 11:30 AM  

The irony of a trump fan accusing someone of flip flopping

Blogger Gaiseric February 03, 2016 11:31 AM  

Criminal justice reform isn't pandering. Opposing the police state has been a libertarian principle since forever.

Criminal justice reform "because it's racist to black people" is, though.

And his pandering to Hispanics, and vehement opposition to repatriation makes whatever you can find about securing the border a moot point too.

Blogger CM February 03, 2016 11:31 AM  

SiB -

I am of the opinion his namination is because of Obama's, lol.

I thought it was funny.

Anonymous Philalethes February 03, 2016 11:31 AM  

I'm a little sad about the younger Dr. Paul. How could somebody grow up with Ron Paul as his father and not Get It? Sainthood is just not genetic, I guess. When I first heard that Rand had declared for the Kentucky Senate seat, I saw an interview of him and his father by a local TV station. From his answers to the first couple questions it was immediately apparent that Rand didn't get it. His father, of course, remained benign and encouraging throughout, while not actually agreeing with Rand's stated views.

My theory about Rand is this: He grew up in Washington (mostly), throughout his entire young life watching his father losing and being ridiculed, year after year. Naturally this galled. And he really never did understand what his father was truly about, which was not politics at all, but witnessing for the Truth in this very fallen world. So Rand thought, why not try a different tack, maybe compromise just a little, go along to get along, and maybe he could get some good done that way. And maybe he has; I haven't followed closely enough to tell.

Unfortunately, whatever little good he may have done has been way overshadowed by the disappointment felt by so many who naturally expected him to be truly his father's son. The Establishment has his measure and will never take him seriously; but neither can any real partisan of Liberty. Whether he could have initially won the Senate seat without his father's name I don't know; but outside of that question, he probably would be better off and his real accomplishments more appreciated if he wasn't known to be Ron Paul's son.

Anyway, the bottom line remains as GB Shaw so succinctly put it: "Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it." (And thanks to the late Aaron Russo for making that quote widely known, even if it describes perfectly just why Russo's own heartfelt effort went essentially nowhere. May he RIP as well.)

Blogger Josh February 03, 2016 11:36 AM  

Criminal justice reform "because it's racist to black people" is, though.

That's not why he supports it.

Is using "it's racist" rhetoric effective in getting laws changed? It appears to be.

OpenID sigbouncer February 03, 2016 11:39 AM  

"The irony of a trump fan accusing someone of flip flopping"

Yeah Trump hasn't flipped on any major issue that got him respect as Rand has.

Blogger VFM #7191 February 03, 2016 11:40 AM  

@48 Criminal justice reform isn't pandering. Opposing the police state has been a libertarian principle since forever.

He's playing the race card. He's pandering. Worse, he's pandering to a group that will never vote for him. Don't be a blind fanboy.

Blogger VFM #7191 February 03, 2016 11:41 AM  

@59 Is using "it's racist" rhetoric effective in getting laws changed? It appears to be.

Except it isn't rhetoric with Rand. He actually believes it.

Blogger Josh February 03, 2016 11:45 AM  

Yeah Trump hasn't flipped on any major issue that got him respect as Rand has.

Trump has flipped on almost every single issue

OpenID sigbouncer February 03, 2016 11:46 AM  

Gotta love how Ron Paul calls out these people who use and manipulate religion for their own benefit. Those types really offend me personally and get no respect.

"While Ron Paul has always identified himself as a Christian, he has doesn’t talk about his faith very often. He has also said activities like the Prayer Breakfast seem more about publicity than faith."

http://ivn.us/2013/09/30/8-ways-rand-paul-is-different-from-ron-paul/

Blogger Josh February 03, 2016 11:46 AM  

Except it isn't rhetoric with Rand. He actually believes it.

Prove it

Blogger Student in Blue February 03, 2016 11:47 AM  

Flipped, or walked it back?

Blogger Josh February 03, 2016 11:47 AM  

Gotta love how Ron Paul calls out these people who use and manipulate religion for their own benefit. Those types really offend me personally and get no respect.

Like trump?

OpenID sigbouncer February 03, 2016 11:52 AM  

"Trump has flipped on almost every single issue"

Well here is Trump's Immigration Reform plan posted today to his website. Looks the same as what he declared in the beginning.

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/immigration-reform


While Rand has flipped on defense, immigration reform, healthcare and foreign aid.

http://ivn.us/2013/09/30/8-ways-rand-paul-is-different-from-ron-paul/

OpenID sigbouncer February 03, 2016 11:53 AM  

"Flipped, or walked it back?"

I'm not one to sugarcoat. If you don't maintain your original viewpoint for politics sake, then you flipped on your position.

Blogger Gaiseric February 03, 2016 11:54 AM  

Is using "it's racist" rhetoric effective in getting laws changed? It appears to be.

Prove it that Rand panders.

Ok, prove it that his pandering isn't just effective politics.

Where are the goalposts going to go next?

Blogger Keef February 03, 2016 11:54 AM  

No it's about time the republican establishment was upended by outsiders.

You disqualify Cruz because he was born in Canada, I get it.

Blogger praetorian February 03, 2016 11:54 AM  

Trump doesn't flip on issues.

Reality does occasionally reorient around him, which can be confusing to people.

OpenID sigbouncer February 03, 2016 11:57 AM  

>Gotta love how Ron Paul calls out these people who use and manipulate religion for their own benefit. Those types really offend me personally and get no respect.

"Like trump?"

Trump rarely talks about his religion, ala the elder Paul. And when Trump finally does, people falsely accuse him of not being religious.

And getting people like Huckabee and Palin to stump for you isn't the same as leading prayer groups for votes. If you can't see the difference then that's on you.

Blogger Keef February 03, 2016 11:57 AM  

I like where your head is Josh. Unfortunately many conservatives turn a blind eye to the numerous issues with American law enforcement

Blogger Gaiseric February 03, 2016 12:00 PM  

I'm not one to sugarcoat. If you don't maintain your original viewpoint for politics sake, then you flipped on your position.

See, that's the key, though. Is it moving it for politics sake, or is it genuinely changing your mind on something due to an influx of new information?

I used to be a free trade libertarian who was maybe experiencing the first twinges of cognitive dissonance on open borders as recently as—I dunno, five years or so ago. That I've now embraced a border fortress mentality and nationalistic policies doesn't mean I flip-flopped; merely that new information overrode my indoctrination for which I hadn't yet had the intellectual stimulus to challenge.

That's what the accusers of flip-flopping need to watch out for. Just because someone changed their position doesn't mean that they flip-flopped. I'd hardly want someone in the Oval Office that was so entrenched and stubborn in their ideology that they refused to consider new information that might require them to modify it.

And I think that's where the "Trump is such a flip-flopper" guys have it all wrong. Trump hasn't been a politician. He probably never really considered a great many of the social and political questions that confront us very deeply until he became one. So the fact that he said something else years ago—so freakin' what?

Blogger Keef February 03, 2016 12:00 PM  

I completely agree and I live in Ohio. I'm not going to hate too hard on Kasich but I think he makes a better governor than he would a president

Blogger VFM #7191 February 03, 2016 12:02 PM  

@65 Prove it

The burden of proof is on you, Josh. I'm merely taking the man at face value. Where's your proof that Rand doesn't actually believe that BlackLivesMatter has legitimate point or that the War on Drugs is the new Jim Crow? I suppose that GOP minority outreach office was just one giant rhetorical play as well.

Blogger pyrrhus February 03, 2016 12:02 PM  

The big problem with Rand is that Open Borders is not libertarian, because it doesn't respect the property rights of existing citizens....and many libertarians finally understand that.

Blogger VFM #7191 February 03, 2016 12:03 PM  

@70 Prove it that Rand panders.

Ok, prove it that his pandering isn't just effective politics.

Where are the goalposts going to go next?


Exactly.

Anonymous Quartermaster February 03, 2016 12:03 PM  

@54
You mean like “King” George, Bob Taft or Kasich? I was still an Ohio County Engineer when they shunted Blackwell off to the side to allow Taft to run for Governor, then allow him to run when Taft had already poisoned the well.

Ohio GOP is as establishment as they come, and are pretty useless.

Rand, however, may have cooked his goose for going over to McConnell. Can't say I have much sympathy for the man after that serious mistake.

Blogger VFM #7191 February 03, 2016 12:04 PM  

@72

When Chuck Norris does pushups, he doesn't push himself up, he pushes the world down.

OpenID sigbouncer February 03, 2016 12:07 PM  

"See, that's the key, though. Is it moving it for politics sake, or is it genuinely changing your mind on something due to an influx of new information?"

Well I think it's obvious for one that Rand flipped on defense. Because he saw that's where his father lost the party. Rand recognized that he had to show stronger on defense. Or he had no chance to ever win his party's nomination.

OpenID sigbouncer February 03, 2016 12:09 PM  

" I'd hardly want someone in the Oval Office that was so entrenched and stubborn in their ideology that they refused to consider new information that might require them to modify it."

That's a very good point and well put down.

Blogger Keef February 03, 2016 12:10 PM  

Dude get real. I don't really have a problem with Trump and his campaign but to say he isn't a politician is laughable.

He's been a politician for decades, he just usually didn't run for office.

Blogger Keef February 03, 2016 12:11 PM  

I don't think Rand is an open borders guy.

Also keep in mind that immigration is hotly debated issue with libertarians, lots of disagreement.

Blogger unconventional nazi February 03, 2016 12:15 PM  

Case February 03, 2016 11:17 AM
Rand allowed himself to be manipulated into destroying his base by going on Hannity and endorsing Romney over his father.
-------------------------------------------
This. Ron WAS still running for President at the time of the endorsement and Rand totally shit his nest by throwing away his credibility for a losing Romney. Here's a decent write up about it from 2012

http://www.businessinsider.com/ron-paul-fans-angry-over-rand-paul-mitt-romney-endorsement-2012-6

Blogger VFM #7191 February 03, 2016 12:18 PM  

I don't think Rand is an open borders guy.

He's wishy washy enough on the question to be effectively open borders. I'm speaking practically here. Open borders is the already entrenched status quo. Even a passionate anti-immigrationist president would have a tough time changing it and he'd have to exhaust all of his political capital in order to do so.

Is Rand Paul that guy? No? Then he's status quo. This applies to every candidate in the race with possible exception of Trump.

Blogger Gaiseric February 03, 2016 12:23 PM  

@84: So you're suggesting that his position on, say, abortion is one that is born of long conviction? Trump is the anti-politician; rather than carefully measured comments that are sure to be somewhat noncommittal and give everyone on both sides of an issue a bit of what they want to hear, he says whatever he thinks about something. If he's wrong, or it turns out that there's something he hasn't thought of, he'll say something else next time.

Y'know, like a normal person does.

Blogger JaimeInTexas February 03, 2016 12:23 PM  

That is why I day that Rand tried to split the baby.

Rand could have articulated, better than Ron, the difference between defense and hegemony.

Rand showed having no spine.

Blogger JaimeInTexas February 03, 2016 12:24 PM  

say, not day.

Blogger James Dixon February 03, 2016 12:25 PM  

Hmm. This makes my primary vote difficult. With Rand out, that leaves Trump or Cruz as even remotely acceptable candidates. Trump's a New Yorker, with all the negatives that entails. Cruz isn't really eligible, though that hardly matters at this point.

Blogger The Other Robot February 03, 2016 12:28 PM  

Criminal justice reform isn't pandering. Opposing the police state has been a libertarian principle since forever.

Ahhh, so Josh supports the nothing-we-can-do approach of the Police in Germany with respect to Orcs?

He seems to fail to understand that there are Orcs among us ...

Anonymous BGKB February 03, 2016 12:32 PM  

it's a pleasure to watch a natural politician at work What is the age cut off for politicians kissing kids outside of Epstein Island?

"It’s not even that he wasn’t getting traction, it’s that he went from being the heir apparent to just bottoming out"

The opposite of bath house Barry's road to the white house.

He was too busy pandering to blacks and insulting his own (white) voter base.

In his defense the blacks his dad gave free care to, didn't have the ability to charge it to the taxpayer. Rand had to leave the US to give free care to blacks. If anyone wants to give free care to whites there is an Appalachian medical program.

36 That sounds like a good plan. Doesn't sound open border to me.

Sounds like Raygun's plan to me how did that wall work out?

It's easy to be all for building a wall after Trump took all the bullets for you.

Who else is talking specifically about building a wall? Having more Hispanic border patrol agents wont do anything positive without a wall.

Criminal justice reform "because it's racist to black people" is, though.

He has not meet enough blacks in real life to know they are not as seen on TV. Too bad his hair was not longer when he went to Haiti.

The big problem with Rand is that Open Borders is not libertarian

The only thing some libertarians are understanding is that open borders and zoning are where they die, so they are willing to have those be the last steps in a libertarian utopia.

Where are the goalposts going to go next?
They caused a sonic boom over NJ last week, but at that speed they are hard to track
http://abcnews.go.com/US/jersey-rocked-sonic-boom/story?id=36578433

Criminal justice reform isn't pandering. Opposing the police state has been a libertarian principle since forever

That he can't realize locking up criminals lowers the crime rate & thinks a black boy born in a rice paddy would have the same 1out of 50 chance at a perfect math SAT as Asian boys shows he has no hope of fixing it. Our legal system was designed to deal with a white level of crime.

Blogger Adm Trell February 03, 2016 12:34 PM  

@76
I used to live in Kasich's district when he was in congress. He was great; completely opposed big spending, solid conservative, and while not perfect - -helped engineer the budget reforms in '94, which were a step in the right direction. Then something happened to him... I dont know if it was the Washington DC hive-mind or his time on Wall St, but after he came home and became gov, he just started going all mushy. To say he embodies the term 'cuckservative' is an understatement.

@80
Yes. I know a few good people in the state government, and it is an absolute mess... as Obi Won would say, "you'll never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy than the GOP in Ohio"

Blogger Were-Puppy February 03, 2016 12:38 PM  

@34 JaimeInTexas

I do not support amnesty, but rather I support a legal immigration process.

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I had no idea. Just assumed he was typical Libertarian. I wonder was he saying this before or only after Trump got people talking about immigration?

I hope he sticks to this as a Senator.

Blogger Were-Puppy February 03, 2016 12:40 PM  

@42 Dexter
Just like you can enrich a bowl of ice cream by adding a scoop of dog poo.
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Or a bowl of punch with a ...

Blogger Were-Puppy February 03, 2016 12:42 PM  

@44 CM
Trump was nominated for a nobel peace prize.
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I love how it mentions his "divisive" comments. Has anyone told these press jackoffs maybe we don't want to be combined with Mexico and Canada, or muslims?

Anonymous Susan February 03, 2016 12:48 PM  

As somebody who actually was open to a Rand Paul candidacy, as opposed to being against his father's, I would say that the moment he shot his future hopes deader than a door nail was when he endorsed McConnell for reelection.

If McConnell had not had those months of being the worst Majority Leader in the entire history of the Senate under his belt, along with the fraud in Mississippi, Paul the younger might have pulled it off, at least regarding the VP spot.

But by endorsing the worst of the establishment, over an actual conservative, Dr. Paul jumped the shark this cycle.

There are a lot of non-libertarians out there who liked a lot of what he had to say, just not his hypocrisy about being a conservative when he obviously blew off conservatism by endorsing McConnell.

The same old tunes are just not working on the voters this year, thanks to an injection of the Trump truth serum regarding the establishment and media.

Anonymous The OASF February 03, 2016 12:49 PM  

What will really be interesting is who he endorses. Endorsing Romney in 2008 greatly hurt his cause as well as the total nonsense stance on immigration and the economy.

Anyway, who wants to be that he ends up endorsing Rubio?

Blogger Were-Puppy February 03, 2016 12:56 PM  

@65 Josh
Except it isn't rhetoric with Rand. He actually believes it.

Prove it
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So if he doesn't believe it, and he is saying it...

Blogger Were-Puppy February 03, 2016 12:58 PM  

@71 Keef
No it's about time the republican establishment was upended by outsiders.

You disqualify Cruz because he was born in Canada, I get it.
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You can't get much more outsider than being a Cubadian Anchor Baby!

Blogger Student in Blue February 03, 2016 12:58 PM  

Anyway, who wants to be that he ends up endorsing Rubio?

I'll bet that he winds up endorsing Rubio, sure.

Blogger Were-Puppy February 03, 2016 1:03 PM  

@76 Keef

I completely agree and I live in Ohio. I'm not going to hate too hard on Kasich but I think he makes a better governor than he would a president
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OMG I wish you guys would have kept your crazy uncle locked up in the closet.

The Prince of Light and Hope - and Son of a Mailman

Blogger Cunning Dove February 03, 2016 1:11 PM  

Yes, this.

Blogger bob k. mando February 03, 2016 1:28 PM  

93. BGKB February 03, 2016 12:32 PM
What is the age cut off for politicians kissing kids outside of Epstein Island?



well, being as it's his own daughter ( which i admit i did not know ), i don't believe Age of Consent laws apply. he can kiss em as young as he wants.


that just further reinforces my point about 'natural politician', though.

Cruz wanted that 'photo op' of a public display of affection with his family ... and tried to power through his daughter's distaste ( which, you know, most kids reach that stage ) for.

so now we've got video of a guy who is 'so unlikeable' that his own children don't want to be seen with him?

*facepalm*

Cruz is too wedded to the pre-planned political move ( like that Trump joke he forced through in the last debate ) and fails to recognize that he can do the 'right' thing the REALLY wrong way.

Blogger JaimeInTexas February 03, 2016 1:40 PM  

Just pndering and wondering: what if the Libertarian Party nominates Ron Paul for POTUS?

Anonymous A.B. Prosper February 03, 2016 2:41 PM  

The Paul's are decent men but I'm anti Immigration and an economic nationalist and as such they were despite an excellent non interventionist foreign policy, no goes

What we need is Pat Buchanan junior but he had no kids and no real successor either

Blogger Josh February 03, 2016 3:28 PM  

Ahhh, so Josh supports the nothing-we-can-do approach of the Police in Germany with respect to Orcs?

He seems to fail to understand that there are Orcs among us ...


Are you retarded?

Blogger Josh February 03, 2016 3:29 PM  

Anyway, who wants to be that he ends up endorsing Rubio?

I'll bet that he winds up endorsing Rubio, sure.

He's not going to endorse Rubio. Why would you even think he would?

Blogger Josh February 03, 2016 3:35 PM  

Just pndering and wondering: what if the Libertarian Party nominates Ron Paul for POTUS?

IT'S HAPPENING DOT GIF

Blogger James Dixon February 03, 2016 3:39 PM  

> He's not going to endorse Rubio. Why would you even think he would?

If he endorses anyone it will be Cruz.

Blogger Josh February 03, 2016 3:55 PM  

If he endorses anyone it will be Cruz.

I agree. However, according to Doug Stafford, Rand won't be endorsing anyone.

Blogger Keef February 03, 2016 4:04 PM  

You're either with us or against us says the single issue voter

Blogger Keef February 03, 2016 4:05 PM  

Do you have a point you would like to make?

We get it you don't like Cruz because he was born in Canada.

Blogger Keef February 03, 2016 4:08 PM  

You make decent points. I find Buchanan to be a super interesting read on takimag.

I personally don't like tariffs not see myself as an economic nationalist though. I see myself as a consumer wanting the best value

Blogger Keef February 03, 2016 4:09 PM  

And I'm a bit surprised at that move. Perhaps Rand just doesn't think Cruz is Liberty minded enough.

Blogger JaimeInTexas February 03, 2016 4:37 PM  

@116 Keef

The problem with not being stridently anti-government FedGov inerventions in welfare and warefare issues, economics and individual rights issues eventually follow the welfare/warfare demands.

Blogger Student in Blue February 03, 2016 4:58 PM  

@Josh
He's not going to endorse Rubio. Why would you even think he would?

His mistake was to try and move center. It seemed perfectly plausible he'd continue to try and appeal to the "moderate" rather than Cruz.

Blogger Patrikbc February 03, 2016 5:32 PM  

I love the idiots who've been talking all this time about how Alpha Trump is, or how he doesn't play around. He's a whiny bitch, every single debate thus far he has whines about how "unfair" people are, or how the aren't being very nice. What a bitch! Here's a tip, he's from New York, in case you're not sure if you met anyone from NY, here's how to tell. People from NY can't help but begin every sentence with the same three words... "I'm form New York". It's practically pathological. You know what comes from NY? Actresses and actors, the degree of separation is between them is thinner then than a crack shores waistline. NY'ers favorite act is playing tough. If you believe Trumps a tough guy, you probably also believe Cernovich is a tough guy, and Rousey had a shot at beating tank Abbott.

Blogger Patrikbc February 03, 2016 5:34 PM  

Ok, so it's 4 words...

Anonymous Hesiod February 03, 2016 5:50 PM  

Are you retarded?

Jose hablo, "Que los ingleses aman nuestro Español"

Blogger Sevron February 03, 2016 6:07 PM  

Why wouldn't Paul endorse Rubio, or ¡Jeb! for that matter? He endorsed McConnell, how fucking pro-GOPe can you get?

Blogger OneWingedShark February 03, 2016 6:12 PM  

he's simply not worthy of carrying his father's torch nor is he capable of doing so.

Agreed; Ron Paul's Farewell Address was very good and, I think, neatly outlined a lot of our current political problems.

@32 "Rand did not even seem to understand his father anti-immigration platform: cannot have open borders without first dismantling the welfare/warfare state."

I kinda always thought Rand Paul was more parroting his father than actually believing it -- playing his father's supporters for fools.

Anonymous Millenium February 03, 2016 6:12 PM  

@63 "Trump has flipped on almost every single issue"

Ok Josh, per the rules of the blog, prove it. Since Trump has started his run for presidency prove he has flipped, not just backed away from but actually flipped, on almost every single issue

Anonymous johnc February 03, 2016 6:19 PM  

Rand Paul was completely useless.

He should just go back to being an eye doctor or whatever.

Blogger Groot February 03, 2016 8:03 PM  

@35. praetorian:
"This is the way libertarianism ends"

Imagine three brothers, the Libertarian boys. The oldest boy, named Economic Libertarian, is really smart, even won a Nobel Prize, but he's a theoretician, and not very practical. The second boy, Political Libertarian, has Down syndrome: not a moral failing, but he needs minding, and should never be in charge of anything. But the third boy, Technological Libertarian, is even smarter than his oldest brother, and is just getting started.

The NSA and all government has had him in the slammer and in court, backdooring his stuff and subpoenaing his encryption keys (I recommend Data and Goliath: The Hidden Battles to Collect Your Data and Control Your World by Bruce Schneier). But he keeps at it, and it's making him rich, because he is pragmatic. A huge slice of the richest people are desperate for him to provide a private alternative to government's "protection" of his freedoms and property rights.

Libertarianism (kind of sliding into cryptoanarchy) is just getting started. All hail Snowden.


@84. Keef: "Trump... but to say he isn't a politician is laughable."
@88.Gaiseric: "Trump is the anti-politician;"

I don't know if he'll win anything or everything, but I will make one prediction: From now on, any politician in a movie, TV show or commercial will have some element of Trump. It'll morph into something like Ted Baxter from Mary Tyler Moore.

Blogger Cogitans Iuvenis February 03, 2016 8:13 PM  

Ahhh, so Josh supports the nothing-we-can-do approach of the Police in Germany with respect to Orcs?

He seems to fail to understand that there are Orcs among us ...

Are you retarded?


@109

I had about the same reaction as you Josh. How exactly does wanting to end police militarization equate to do nothing on open borders? Answer, it doesn't. Proof of point, the owner of this blog is both against police militarization while at the same time being for closed borders.

Blogger Timmy3 February 03, 2016 8:49 PM  

Trump is blowing it big. Calling the Iowa votes fraud is his implosion.

Blogger Kaz February 03, 2016 11:14 PM  

@88.Gaiseric: "Trump is the anti-politician;"

It's fascinating that even Jimmy "I'll Never Lie To You" Carter has endorsed Trump.

Anonymous Millenium February 03, 2016 11:58 PM  

@63 Prove it Josh. Prove Trump has flipped, not just walked back but actually flipped, on almost every issue since he started running for president.

@automatthew: I posted this hours ago but my comment isnt here. Did blogger eat it or is it in moderation?

Blogger Student in Blue February 04, 2016 12:16 AM  

@Patrikbc
you probably also believe Cernovich is a tough guy

You pretty much proved to everyone right there that you know absolutely nothing about toughness and being alpha.

@Timmy3
Trump is blowing it big. Calling the Iowa votes fraud is his implosion.

Keep dreaming, retard.

Blogger Patrikbc February 04, 2016 1:40 AM  

son, I've sent more people to the hospital than pneumonia,and had more threesomes than you've had "by yourselfsomes". What I proved is that you are insecure about your man crush on Cernovich.

Blogger Groot February 04, 2016 1:45 AM  

@130. Student in Blue:
"Keep dreaming, retard."?

Student in, what, 4th grade? Despite your androgynous handle, you are smarter than this.

Blogger Patrikbc February 04, 2016 2:02 AM  

But seriously, please fill me in on what it means to be tough and be alpha, aside from crying "unfair" when you lose , and "your mean"!
If that is the tough/ alpha standard, then you are right, I have no clue.

OpenID sigbouncer February 04, 2016 2:55 AM  

"Trump is blowing it big. Calling the Iowa votes fraud is his implosion."


The Iowa voting system was a fraud.

If you think that having one of the candidates (Rubio) biggest donators (Marcosoft) counting the votes is fair and how election counting process should be. Then you're the biggest dumbass on the planet.

Blogger Roger Hill February 04, 2016 7:04 AM  

This serves to prove that a move to the so called 'middle' of any divisive issue is really just a way to turn most everyone off.

It is one thing to compromise on minor points with the opposition to achieve some greater good, if possible. But finding the middle on immigration is not going to help a libertarian or a progressive with their base.

Blogger Student in Blue February 04, 2016 8:15 AM  

@Groot
Student in, what, 4th grade? Despite your androgynous handle, you are smarter than this.

It's true on two counts:

A) Shenanigans did happen and needs to be investigated
B) This in no way will implode Trump. He has a pretty solid hope who believes in him via emotion so he could be factually wrong several times and still have a good base -- he'd have to keep making mistakes and that's very, very unlikely.

This joker calling for an implosion is just straight up dreaming.

@131. Patrikbc
son, I've sent more people to the hospital than pneumonia,and had more threesomes than you've had "by yourselfsomes".

Riiiiight. I thought you left us, Tiny Tim.

But seriously, please fill me in on what it means to be tough and be alpha, aside from crying "unfair" when you lose , and "your mean"!

Funny, I don't recall Cernovich ever doing that. Neither did Trump.

Sounds like someone is an insecure liar with delusions of alpha-dom. A keyboard warrior. A gamma.

Blogger Student in Blue February 04, 2016 8:16 AM  

*a pretty solid bloc of voters who believe in him via emotion

OpenID sigbouncer February 04, 2016 11:24 AM  

@116 "And I'm a bit surprised at that move. Perhaps Rand just doesn't think Cruz is Liberty minded enough."

That's because Cruz isn't. Cruz is just another neocon in the establishment.


Ted Cruz, the junior Senator from Texas and presumptive Republican presidential nominee, is routinely billed by the mainstream media as a Tea Party outsider who is reviled by fellow Republicans as a “wacko bird” along with Kentucky Senator Rand Paul and GOP Rep. Justin Amash of Michigan.

It is not simply his wife’s connection to Goldman Sachs and investment banking or his unreported loan from the multinational investment banking firm, however, that betrays this image.

A closer look at Cruz reveals he is a neocon insider, not a renegade outsider.

His campaign manager, Chad C. Sweet, co-founded the Chertoff Group with former Bush and Obama administration Secretary of Homeland Security Michael Chertoff. Sweet, as a leader of the Chertoff Group, “advocated for expanding NSA metadata collection,” according to his bio on the risk-management and security consulting company’s webpage.

“Mr. Sweet formerly served as the Chief of Staff of the United States Department of Homeland Security (DHS). Prior to becoming Chief of Staff of DHS, Mr. Sweet worked as an investment banker at the firms of Morgan Stanley and Goldman Sachs as well as served in the CIA’s National Clandestine Service,” the bio continues.

Cruz’s foreign policy advisor is the notorious neocon James Woolsey, the former director of the CIA during the Clinton administration. Woolsey is connected to the now largely defunct Project for the New American Century (PNAC), a think tank with an agenda formulated by top neocons William Kristol and Robert Kagan. PNAC was at the forefront of the Bush administration push to invade Iraq. He is a former vice president of the defense contractor Booz Allen Hamilton and an advocate of the neocon hardline on Iran.

Ted’s foreign policy team includes Elliot Abrams, a senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations and the son-in-law of Norman Podhoretz, a trailblazing neoconservative ideologue. Abrams was a key adviser on Mideast policy at the National Security Council (NSC) during the George W. Bush presidency and also a staunch advocate of the Iraq invasion, the hardline on Iran and military strikes against the government of Bashar al-Assad in Syria.

Finally, the man in charge of public relations for the Cruz campaign is Dan P. Gabriel, a former CIA covert action officer and a founding partner of Applied Memetics, a company “focused solely on developing engineered influence for clients seeking to alter their tactical or strategic operational environments,”according to its webpage. The company specializes in propagating memes that ”can move through the cultural sociosphere in a manner similar to the contagious behavior of a virus,” in other words Applied Memetics specializes in propaganda.

The latest Cruz meme is working hard to convince followers of Rand Paul, who dropped out of the race in the wake of the Iowa caucus, that Cruz “is the natural inheritor of the modern libertarian movement built by Ron Paul, which was especially resonant here in New Hampshire, where the elder Paul won second place four years ago,” CNN reports.

“Cruz’s entreaties appear to be paying off. A number of state legislators—in places ranging from here in New Hampshire to the Paul family’s Texas—signed onto the Cruz team.”

Ted Cruz is not even remotely a libertarian. He is a neocon masquerading as a champion of liberty. If nominated and elected he will continue the forever war agenda initiated by the Bush regime and further expand the high-tech surveillance police state.

Unfortunately many Republicans, desperate to beat Hillary Clinton and the Democrats in November, are buying into the illusion.

http://www.infowars.com/the-men-behind-ted-cruz-neocons-and-a-cia-propagandist/

Blogger Timmy3 February 04, 2016 12:17 PM  

"135. sigbouncer"

Clearly Iowa has a caucus system. There is no voting like a primary. Crying the system is fraud hurts Trump because he decided he didn't like the results. He didn't even propose a way to eliminate the fraud. He wants a revote using the same system. There is no fraud. It's funny how you mentioned Rubio that Trump still beat. If Trump is still perceived as a loser after beating Rubio, then no revote will help him.

OpenID sigbouncer February 04, 2016 12:33 PM  

"It's funny how you mentioned Rubio that Trump still beat."


The reason is obvious why Rubio and his microsoft connection was pointed out. It's because Iowa set a record for new voters coming to the polls. And they want us to believe they all came out for Rubio in the last minute (remember Rubio was polling 9% a day before this).

Rubio and microsoft switched Trump voters to Rubio voters. Which cost Trump Iowa and bumped up Rubio. Now the media is all about Rubio as planned. End of story.

Btw, this isn't the first time this has happened. Google Bush and diebold voting machines.

Blogger Student in Blue February 04, 2016 12:53 PM  

Rubio and microsoft switched Trump voters to Rubio voters. Which cost Trump Iowa and bumped up Rubio. Now the media is all about Rubio as planned. End of story.

A) Was there any evidence of this or is it just "well it sounds plausible"
B) Was Trump referring to Microsoft-Rubio when he mentioned Iowa fraud, or was he talking about the actual Cruz worker spreading lies?

Blogger Timmy3 February 04, 2016 12:57 PM  

Trump attacked Cruz not Rubio for the results so this Microsoft/Rubio connection would contradict Trump's narrative. I never accused Trump of being consistent. He blames Cruz for Carson's bad showing too. The mailers too. Trump lost and he admits his bad ground game that he refused to fund. He doesn't want to pay for organization. So fraud really isn't the biggest issue here.

Blogger Student in Blue February 04, 2016 1:12 PM  

@Timmy3
He blames Cruz for Carson's bad showing too. The mailers too.

And is any of it... false?

So fraud really isn't the biggest issue here.

A choice not to fund a big ground game is not something that needs to be investigated and sufficient cause for throwing out a vote. Fraud is.

Fraud is a big deal.

Blogger Timmy3 February 04, 2016 1:36 PM  

Yes, it is false. Won't hold up in court. To think everyone is not voting for Carson when he performed as expected in fourth place. Fraud has nothing to do with any candidate, but with the caucus system. Maybe you have a case with the Hillary coin toss. But a tie with Hillary doesn't hurt Sanders for it shows he is still in the game.

Blogger Student in Blue February 04, 2016 2:03 PM  

Won't hold up in court.

A) Bullshit
B) Holding up in court is not the same thing as being true or false

This doesn't sound like "Oh it's just an Iowa Caucus thing, nothing to do with a specific candidate".

Again, you're dreaming.

Blogger Student in Blue February 04, 2016 2:04 PM  

*Bullshit it's false.

Blogger Timmy3 February 04, 2016 3:20 PM  

50 of Carson's campaign staffers are getting a change of clothes.

http://hotair.com/archives/2016/02/04/carson-campaign-cuts-50-staff-positions-40-of-staff/

Blogger Timmy3 February 04, 2016 3:23 PM  

In fund raising letter, blames CNN not Cruz for talk of retreat.

https://mobile.twitter.com/HeyTammyBruce/status/695306038027771905

Blogger Student in Blue February 04, 2016 3:57 PM  

Campaign staffers being cut is irrelevant, Carson is still planning to continue, and while CNN was the one to initially report incorrectly, Cruz's campaign was the one to constantly spread it urging people to 'not waste their vote on Carson who's going to drop out, vote for Cruz'.

Carson may not blame Cruz for initially starting it, but he certainly does blame Cruz and his staffers for abusing it.

So yeah, Cruz basically aggressively spreading that oh-so-fortuitous incorrect announcement did harm Carson. So it's completely true.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar February 05, 2016 5:14 PM  

Cruz and Ricky Ricardo Rubyouthewrongway are the new face of the GOP. Irrelevant non-White joke candidate that doesn't break past single digits anywhere. Mexicans vote in every election - in Mexico. El Norte not so much. And Cuban is not the same as Mexican boys. This "Latino" thing is a PR thing the Cucksters use to push Imminvasion. That big sucking sound is Whites leaving the Big Circus Tent and letting the Elephants march to the graveyard.

Blogger Student in Blue February 07, 2016 12:07 PM  

Thread's dead, but further evidence of Cruz's duplicity --

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/06/politics/ted-cruz-cnn-republican-debate/index.html

Even CNN is calling his BS.

"[...] and for Ted Cruz to stand on stage once again tonight and suggest CNN [said Carson dropped out] is a flat out lie."

OpenID sigbouncer February 07, 2016 1:44 PM  

@142 Student in Blue

There is evidence of it on the Democrat side. And it's pretty obvious to anyone with a brain that Trump would not want to engage in a potential lawsuit with Bill Gates at this time over what is simply a primary.

Independent thinkers understand that Rubio got Trump's votes and how he did. Idiots don't. So don't be an idiot.

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/elections/presidential/caucus/2016/02/06/iowans-claim-instances-when-sanders-shorted-delegates/79902080/

Keane Schwarz is certain he knows the outcome of the vote in his precinct: He was the lone caucusgoer in Woodbury County No. 43.

But the Iowa Democratic Party's final results state that Hillary Clinton won one county delegate and Bernie Sanders received zero.

"I voted for Bernie," Schwarz, 36, of Oto, told The Des Moines Register. “It was really suspicious … I’m actually pretty irate about it.”

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