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Wednesday, February 24, 2016

The Trumpening

It's fascinating to see the medias, both mainstream and conservative, scurrying around to find some explanation, any explanation, for Trump's rise that does not address the obvious: America has been the victim of the single largest invasion in human history. But Invade America Happy Time is over.

France for the French. England for the English. America for Americans. Germany for the Germans. Scandinavia for the Scandinavians. Israel for the Jews. The Dar al-Islam for the Muslims.

Nationalism is peaceful, for the most part. It is the intermingling of peoples, the expansions of territories, and the subsequent clash of cultures that results which reliably produces war.

As military historian Martin van Creveld so aptly demonstrated in There Will Be War Vol. X, immigration is a form of war in which the violence is delayed.

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Anonymous VFM #6306 February 24, 2016 8:17 AM  

This is a sad day for the ultranationalists, for now.

Anonymous A Visitor February 24, 2016 8:34 AM  

I'm not going to repeat what I said on the last post but I shall just say it is giving me a great feeling of hope that we finally are having a national discussion about whether our current immigration system is in our national interests. ¡Que viva Trump!

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer February 24, 2016 8:37 AM  

I think this link is on topic. Not a Limbaugh listener, but he seems to actually understand what is going on. Especially like the statement about why would we want to have unity with people who want to destroy the country.

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2016/02/23/must_hear_rush_blows_the_lights_out_in_the_final_hour_what_this_election_is_really_about_and_what_s_really_at_stake

Blogger Nate February 24, 2016 8:38 AM  

This is the gayest thing you've posted in the last 24 months. I mean this is approaching shirtless obama on a unicorn gay.

Blogger Christopher Yost February 24, 2016 8:38 AM  

VD-

What do you consider it is to be American?

I've read the assertions that being American isn't just (or plainly isn't, not sure) holding particular ideals.

My knee-jerk is to disagree vociferously but I can't with any honesty since I don't know your actual stance.

I'm not here to ARGUE argue but to look for ideas 'n thoughts I haven't had/encountered yet. Or simply twists to what I already think I know.

Blogger Nate February 24, 2016 8:39 AM  

"I'm not going to repeat what I said on the last post but I shall just say it is giving me a great feeling of hope "

So Brave!

Thanks for this!

Blogger crazyivan498 February 24, 2016 8:41 AM  

fences make good neighbors.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian February 24, 2016 8:43 AM  

immigration is a form of war in which the violence is delayed

effective and succinct

twitted it

Blogger VD February 24, 2016 8:43 AM  

This is the gayest thing you've posted in the last 24 months. I mean this is approaching shirtless obama on a unicorn gay.

What can I say. I got carried away by the inspiration of The Most Dangerous Faggot World Tour.

What do you consider it is to be American?

The Founders and their posterity.

I've read the assertions that being American isn't just (or plainly isn't, not sure) holding particular ideals. My knee-jerk is to disagree vociferously but I can't with any honesty since I don't know your actual stance.

It isn't. It has nothing to do with holding any particular ideals. That is a 20th century inversion of the facts: Americans do, for the most part, hold certain ideals. But they received the ideals from their forefathers as part of their intellectual heritage, the ideas did not create them.

Wearing lederhosen does not make you German. Eating lutefisk does not make you Norwegian. Supporting free speech and representative democracy does not make you American.

Blogger Dave February 24, 2016 8:49 AM  

scurrying around

Oh my, splendid depiction.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan February 24, 2016 9:06 AM  

The taboos that are being broken now will seem silly as hell in the near future. The cucks are the last anti-racists every one else is racist as fuck especially blacks

Anonymous IndecisiveEvidence February 24, 2016 9:12 AM  

Nate is getting stumped.

Blogger Josh February 24, 2016 9:20 AM  

The Founders and their posterity.

Joseph Palmi: Let me ask you something... we Italians, we got our families, and we got the church; the Irish, they have the homeland, Jews their tradition; even the niggers, they got their music. What about you people, Mr. Wilson, what do you have?

Edward Wilson: The United States of America. The rest of you are just visiting.

Blogger Student in Blue February 24, 2016 9:21 AM  

@VD
It isn't. It has nothing to do with holding any particular ideals. That is a 20th century inversion of the facts: Americans do, for the most part, hold certain ideals. But they received the ideals from their forefathers as part of their intellectual heritage, the ideas did not create them.

Would it then be more accurate to say it's not holding any particular ideals, but in fact holding all of the same ideals?

Of course the only way to accomplish that would be to have the exact same culture, and the only way to have the exact same culture would be to share genetics.

Which, in a sense, argues that the South really is their own nation, as is the Midwest, the Mountaineous regions, and so on.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan February 24, 2016 9:21 AM  

Poor Nate no doubt decades spent listening to conservatives flirt with heresy on "issues", and then wham the taboo hammer was dropped, repeat as necessary, and he won't give up because this time a conservative really means it. Hahahahaha

Anonymous A Visitor February 24, 2016 9:22 AM  

Were you being facetious Nate? I ask because I said I am not going to repeat what I said on the last post due to not wanting to be repetitive.

Blogger Josh February 24, 2016 9:23 AM  

Which, in a sense, argues that the South really is their own nation, as is the Midwest, the Mountaineous regions, and so on.

The South for the Southrons.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer February 24, 2016 9:23 AM  

Most of the anti-Trump stuff I see from "conservatives" falls into two camps.

1) He is a lying liar and you rubes are to stupid to see it. A subspecies of this line of rhetoric is that he will not only betray the electorate on the immigration issue, but will acquiesce to the ultra-liberals every demand thus ending free speech and religious freedom in the US.

2) He really isn't our sort. In other words, the rhetorician insists that he doesn't hold proper opinions on whatever pet issues the speaker holds dear to him or thinks that his audience does. This is especially prevalent among Republicans who support amnesty, but do not want to actually say so.

Don't actually see a lot of arguments about him not being to win in the general election from professional pundits any more, though a lot of the "lay" people trot it out. Supposedly once the primaries are over the MSM will start attacking him and then he will be toast.

Those people generally bring up that he has had three wives and 4 bankruptcies. Or that he kinda mighta sorta had to do business with people tied to the Mafia while developing real estate in New York and New Jersey. When you fail to take to your fainting couch when they bring these "revelations" up, you are accused of being unprincipled.

Blogger Michael O'Duibhir February 24, 2016 9:26 AM  

But what exactly IS and American? Is it an African-American? White-American? Asian-American? Hispanic-American? There is the idea of "my identity culture first, my American identity second." Multiculturism wants to have it both ways. Problem is, in order to accommodate the various cultures an increasingly complex legal framework has evolved and it has America in a stranglehold, a stranglehold that will only tighten unless something, or someone, emerges to break its grip. This procrustean process of trying to make things work cannot succeed. The idea of a nation presupposes a homogeneous people--that's how nations organically come into being. But that idea is something which is anathema to the bulk of Americans who have been propagandized to see such notions as anathema. Such is the dilemma we are living in. Such a dilemma was unavoidable, though, because the influx of immigrants from western Europe brought with it those favored few who set about grabbing huge tracts of land on which to plant cotton, tobacco, etc. This is key to our present dilemma, IMHO. The families who owned those tracts could not possible cultivate and harvest the crops produced because the tracts were just too immense. Enter the Africans. They were brought here to do the dirty work of making the white planters rich. The story of the founding of America is, in this particular instance at least, a story of greed. And after importing the Africans (who have now been told that they, too, are entitled to an equal share of the pie whether they work for it or not), and after driving out the Mexicans, and then witnessing their subsequent re-conquest which is presently occurring full bore, we are seeing that we are indeed in a dilemma. American melting pot? Saccharine ovations praising the uniformity and commonality of what are, in reality, immiscible ethnic groups is wearing thin. Nature will have its way, whether we like it or not.

Blogger Gunnar von Cowtown February 24, 2016 9:28 AM  

Based on what bits of ""rightwing"" talk radio I've heard over the past week, border security is no longer an alleged conservative position.

If the (((neocons))) talk about it at all, it's only to rhetorically state why a wall won't solve the problem. The Ghey Mustachio will probably go on suicide watch after Glenn Beck lethally overdoses on Quizno's.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer February 24, 2016 9:28 AM  

Anyway, if you had asked me if I would vote for Donald Trump for POTUS a year ago, I would have told you that was crazy. But so far the arguments for him seem much more persuasive than those against.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer February 24, 2016 9:32 AM  

@20

And of course state that Americans simply won't tolerate the deportation of 12 Million people.

Cause bad feelz. Totes.

Blogger Nate February 24, 2016 9:32 AM  

at this point my great hope is to this:

Hillary puts down bernie and is in the process of winning the nomination when she gets arrested.

There is a crisis and Biden steps in to accept the nomination and save the party.

Trump vs Biden...in the the greatest most entertaining election season since Lincoln Douglas.

Blogger VD February 24, 2016 9:32 AM  

Would it then be more accurate to say it's not holding any particular ideals, but in fact holding all of the same ideals?

No. Identity has nothing to do with ideals. One Italian is a Communist. Another is a libertarian. They are both Italians.

Of course the only way to accomplish that would be to have the exact same culture, and the only way to have the exact same culture would be to share genetics.

Now you are beginning to understand.

Which, in a sense, argues that the South really is their own nation, as is the Midwest, the Mountaineous regions, and so on.

Or nations-in-development, as the case may be. Homogeneous nations are born from heterogeneous societies.

Anonymous The OASF February 24, 2016 9:33 AM  

Kasich, by the way, is still in because he is and always has been GOPe lead-puppet-splinter-strategy-candidate. Other puppet-splinter-strategy-candidates include Huckabee, Santorum, Graham, and Christie but they are long gone.

Kasich can still do damage in Ohio, as polls show, opening up the doors for Cruz or the high-exalted 2016 glorified puppet candidacy of Marco Rubot. Ohio is winner take all, so a loss for Trump could be hurtful.

Unfortunately, percentages do still matter because many of the remaining states are delegate awarded by proportion systems and if the splinter candidates can keep the WTA trigger from kicking in, then it will cost Trump many votes. Texas, I think, is what is really driving the GOPe's last hopes because Cruz is somehow polling as the winner there by a narrow margin... good news is it's not a WTA state.

The noose is tied and it's tightening around the GOPe's hope's of a nominee, but they still have some room to wiggle out a last chance at a brokered convention.

Blogger John Wright February 24, 2016 9:36 AM  

"The Dar al-Islam for the Muslims."

Here we disagree. The lands conquered by Muslims which were originally provinces of the Roman Empire must be reconquered, and the invaders expelled.

Anonymous #8601 Jean Valjean February 24, 2016 9:37 AM  

Trump is so hot right now.

No homo.

Blogger Josh February 24, 2016 9:37 AM  

Here we disagree. The lands conquered by Muslims which were originally provinces of the Roman Empire must be reconquered, and the invaders expelled.

Then let the Roman Empire do it.

Blogger Alexander February 24, 2016 9:38 AM  

I am in agreement with John Wright in the long run; though I admit at this stage my sights are less on Constantinople, Antioch, and Alexandria and more on London, Malmo, and Berlin.

Blogger Nate February 24, 2016 9:41 AM  

"Were you being facetious Nate?"

Facetious about what? About the graphic being gay as all hell?

Blogger Nate February 24, 2016 9:43 AM  

"Poor Nate no doubt decades spent listening to conservatives flirt with heresy on "issues", and then wham the taboo hammer was dropped, repeat as necessary, and he won't give up because this time a conservative really means it. Hahahahaha"

its hilarious that you think a guy that hasn't voted in a federal election... ever...and who actually has helped start a political party dedicated to getting the South to secede...and who addresses his mail "Occupied Alabama" listens to conservative anything.

Anonymous SouthRon February 24, 2016 9:46 AM  

Josh wrote:Which, in a sense, argues that the South really is their own nation, as is the Midwest, the Mountaineous regions, and so on.



The South for the Southrons


Amen!

Blogger justaguy February 24, 2016 9:47 AM  

Trump needs to win convincingly in the 11 state super Tuesday before everyone starts crowing. Likely, yes, but we should wait until then when 15 states will have voted for a much better sample. Statistics

Blogger JDC February 24, 2016 9:51 AM  

Facetious about what? About the graphic being gay as all hell?

It immediately reminded me of "The War in Heaven," cover.

Blogger Dexter February 24, 2016 9:51 AM  

Trump AMOGs the cuck:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/02/23/trump_makes_surprise_visit_to_same_caucus_site_as_glenn_beck_at_exact_moment_hes_stumping_for_cruz.html

Anonymous NorSac February 24, 2016 9:53 AM  

It's fascinating to see the medias, both mainstream and conservative, scurrying around to find some explanation, any explanation, for Trump's rise that does not address the obvious:

It is obvious. MPAI

Blogger VD February 24, 2016 10:02 AM  


Here we disagree. The lands conquered by Muslims which were originally provinces of the Roman Empire must be reconquered, and the invaders expelled.


All right. I am persuaded. Araby for the Muslims.

Blogger Lovekraft February 24, 2016 10:03 AM  

I hope all here are free of the delusion that Trump will hearken in a great cleansing. Highly unlikely since the cultural marxists, biased media, academia the list goes on, will take a long time to root out. Then there's the process of reforming said institutions to make if difficult to re-corrupt.

No, there will be a continuation of this left-right divide, but with many of the so-callled moderates pushed aside (cowardly nature and all) and more distinct battle lines being drawn. How could a Trump appease Nation of Islam and CAIR while keeping his base happy?

Expect to see a ramping up of things under Trump. But a different kind than what the half-breed/Reid/Pelosi lunatics have brought. A more vivid and focused conflict is approaching.

Blogger Dave February 24, 2016 10:03 AM  

Biden's a chump. If the Donald squared off against Hillary the entertainment would be off the chart. It would be like he's running against one of his ex-wifes. He donated to her campaign, probably voted for her senate race, he golfs with Bill.

Just think, a real-life presidential campaign reality show playing every night everywhere.

Blogger Gaiseric February 24, 2016 10:04 AM  

VD wrote:

Here we disagree. The lands conquered by Muslims which were originally provinces of the Roman Empire must be reconquered, and the invaders expelled.


All right. I am persuaded. Araby for the Muslims.

They can have Persia too, if the Persians have no interest in reclaiming it for their own culture.

Blogger VD February 24, 2016 10:05 AM  

I hope all here are free of the delusion that Trump will hearken in a great cleansing.

You're slow. Do try to keep up. Trump is the alternative to what will either be a) The Great Cleansing or b) Round Two. And possibly both.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan February 24, 2016 10:06 AM  

Sorry Nate I myself wasted 10 years in the LoS usual conservative blather talk tough then taboo hammer put on them women scared heresy avoided. Then takeover by cucks and rainbow grannies hell bent on eliminating Ol debil racism

Blogger bob k. mando February 24, 2016 10:06 AM  

4. Nate February 24, 2016 8:38 AM
This is the gayest thing you've posted in the last 24 months. I mean this is approaching shirtless obama on a unicorn gay.



gayer than frilly umbrella drinks x, Italian loafers x soccer practice?

i dunno, Nate. he's already at, like, gay cubed.

and that was before he started "hanging out" ( don't think about that too ... hard ) with Milo.




26. John Wright February 24, 2016 9:36 AM
The lands conquered by Muslims which were originally provinces of the Roman Empire must be reconquered, and the invaders expelled.



which is how i know that Pope Francis is "no true Catholic".

because the Catholic response to the destruction of Churches and murder of Christians throughout the Dar al Islam would be to call for Crusade.

not mush mouth around begging the Satanist muslims to be a little nicer and telling Europe to import muslim rape armies.

John Hunyadi, Kaziglu Bey, El Cid, Charles Martel and Leo III would all agree.

Blogger Nick S February 24, 2016 10:07 AM  

Two Corinthians 11:14

Blogger FALPhil February 24, 2016 10:10 AM  

@14
Which, in a sense, argues that the South really is their own nation, as is the Midwest, the Mountaineous [sic] regions, and so on.

I have been saying this for years, and ultimately, I think you and I will be proven correct. The cracks are widening, especially if you examine the Southwest and the Northeast.

Anonymous Foppish February 24, 2016 10:11 AM  

"Nationalism is peaceful, for the most part."

Heh. Except when it's not.

Anonymous karsten February 24, 2016 10:12 AM  

"This is a sad day for the ultranationalists, for now."

No, because unlike in Europe, the U.S. has no real contingent of such.

And that's all for the good. In Europe, the ultras are motivated by a protection of culture and heritage. The U.S. would no such cultural tempering in its ultras.

Blogger SouthRon February 24, 2016 10:13 AM  

This may seem to meander off topic, except heritage, genetics, and cultural identity really are core to the siren's call of Trump. Yes he may lead us down the primrose path, but he may just lead us back from the precipice of national destruction.

The more I think about Vox's argument of time-to-civilization and how long it takes for a person's posterity to accultureate, it explains a lot of my own journey.

As a child I never understood why my aunts, uncles and family never really seemed to fit the Midwestern mold. My grandfather was born and raised in Alabama. My grandmother's roots come from southern Appalachia. As I reached adulthood I began to realize I didn't fit either.

So, not too long ago I chose to move my family to the South. We've never been happier and we're making efforts to break away from the city and return to a rural or mountain environment. The funny thing is now I hear my family cheering for us and some of them wishing they could do the same.

It's also why I switched my handle a while back. This one really fits.

Anonymous karsten February 24, 2016 10:13 AM  

"This is the gayest thing you've posted in the last 24 months. I mean this is approaching shirtless obama on a unicorn gay."

Translation:

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

OpenID denektenorsk February 24, 2016 10:13 AM  

...Scandinavia for the Scandinavians...

Respectfully, don't lump the Danes in with the Swedtards. The Danish politicians are starting to walk back some of the crazy whereas Sweden... who can guess what goes on in their minds.

Even Norway finds a bit of its spine once in a while... while they dither with Russia over who wants that particular group of migrants.

Blogger Atomic Agent 13 February 24, 2016 10:14 AM  

Is that a painting of the Archangel Michael with Trump's head slapped on it or did someone originally paint that with the Trumpster? Either way pretty badass.

Also, the fact that his last name is "Trump" and that Revelation indicates certain actions with "trumps" has not been lost on anyone else? Not saying he's an antichrist, far from it in fact, just saying that maybe we are moving toward one of those trumps being sounded.

Blogger Nate February 24, 2016 10:15 AM  

" Then takeover by cucks and rainbow grannies hell bent on eliminating Ol debil racism "

They weren't hell bent on eliminating racism. They rightly realized racism would be the weapon used against them and did what they could to minimize its effectivness.

hey... we got guys elected to state legislatures in every state in the Confederacy. We got mayors elected.

We made some noise and learned some lessons for next time.

Blogger Nate February 24, 2016 10:17 AM  

what I really want to do is a propoganda campaign that would have different messaging in different regions but all leading to the same goal... tell the yankees how dumb the south is and how they shouldn't be held back by the dummy rednecks... and tell the south how much better they'd be without the dummy yankees.

Push the gaps wider... move opinion on both sides further apart.

Anonymous karsten February 24, 2016 10:19 AM  

"Here we disagree. The lands conquered by Muslims which were originally provinces of the Roman Empire must be reconquered, and the invaders expelled."

Good God, that's stupid. That's just the kind of idiotic propaganda that the neocons use to get us to fight wars on behalf of Israel.

We shouldn't care which sand people inhabit sand-people lands. So what if the Roman Empire marched into lands where the indigenous people were Semites or Arabs or what not?

No more white blood for imbecilic Mideast wars. Let them fight it out for their deserts, and let us -- the Euros and Euro-Americans -- have our homelands.

Blogger Dave February 24, 2016 10:19 AM  

Trump needs to win convincingly in the 11 state super Tuesday before everyone starts crowing.

Yeah something something ceiling something something broken something something 25% 30% 40%

OpenID sigbouncer February 24, 2016 10:22 AM  

"hey... we got guys elected to state legislatures in every state in the Confederacy."

Yeah great job in getting the two foreigners Rafael Cruz and Marco Polo elected. And let's not forget Dubya as you like to call him. The guy who let in 10.5 million immigrants while creating 1/3 of the amount of jobs. That's 7 million foreign welfare cases. Somebody play me some Lynard Skynard on the jukebox. Go south!

Blogger Josh February 24, 2016 10:24 AM  

Good God, that's stupid. That's just the kind of idiotic propaganda that the neocons use to get us to fight wars on behalf of Israel.

We shouldn't care which sand people inhabit sand-people lands. So what if the Roman Empire marched into lands where the indigenous people were Semites or Arabs or what not?

No more white blood for imbecilic Mideast wars. Let them fight it out for their deserts, and let us -- the Euros and Euro-Americans -- have our homelands.


Dammit karsten, you put me in the uncomfortable position of agreeing with you.

Anonymous Demone Brown February 24, 2016 10:24 AM  

http://verysmartbrothas.com/want-to-make-america-great-again-but-dont-know-how-easy-white-slavery/

"Of course, not everyone who believes Trump’s message is aware of its racial implications. For some — specifically working class Whites — it is truly about a return to the days of “Leave it to Beaver,” where everyone had a job, everyone had a status, and everyone had a place. A purpose. But, as Slate’s Ben Mathis-Lilley articulates, that great society was made possible because of discrimination, not in spite of it. Whites had so much free stuff because we had none of it, so there was more to go around.

Of course, this is not news to many Black Americans. We’re very aware of how discrimination shifted the scales, drastically and permanently. (If fact, the scales weren’t just shifted. They’ve never been unshifted. That’s the default settling. The only point of their existence is to be unshifted.) We know how racism has affected everything from accumulation of wealth to degree of physical health. We’ve learned how America’s status as the richest country in the history of the world is largely due to the centuries of free labor it received. Again, these are not new or foreign concepts to us.

This is the cure-all, the remedy, the anecdote. This is the vaccine that’ll make America great again; the Robitussin that’ll stop our sniffles. Imagine how amazing our median wealth would be with 200 million slaves. Think of all the bridges built, roads repaired, and fields hoed if this happened. Dream of all the things we’d be able to do as a country with the biggest slave population in the history of mankind."

Blogger Josh February 24, 2016 10:25 AM  

Yeah great job in getting the two foreigners Rafael Cruz and Marco Polo elected. And let's not forget Dubya as you like to call him.

You retard he's not talking about the republican party.

OpenID denektenorsk February 24, 2016 10:26 AM  

Of course the only way to accomplish that would be to have the exact same culture, and the only way to have the exact same culture would be to share genetics.

Now you are beginning to understand.


Vox - I see your point of view, but what is your position on Saxon England post Dane/Norman invasion? Or Francia post Norman (aka Vikings) settlement?

Or for that matter, Rome/Italy with the Lombards in the Lombardy region, etc..

Obviously these had varying degrees of destruction for the people of the invaded culture but today (bfore the past 40 odd years of multiculturalism) they seemingly have a unified culture that has been assimilated over generations.

Blogger FALPhil February 24, 2016 10:29 AM  

@19
They were brought here to do the dirty work of making the white planters rich. The story of the founding of America is, in this particular instance at least, a story of greed.

Historical revisionism.

Slavery existed in the New World long before British colonies on the North American mainland. In fact, it existed all over the Western Hemisphere before Europeans invaded.

It's not the greed of Western European settlers as much as it is the condition of fallen man.

OpenID denektenorsk February 24, 2016 10:30 AM  

Dammit karsten, you put me in the uncomfortable position of agreeing with you.

Same. Get out and let them fight the wars/take out the trash they desparately need to have/do.

Blogger VD February 24, 2016 10:32 AM  

Obviously these had varying degrees of destruction for the people of the invaded culture but today (bfore the past 40 odd years of multiculturalism) they seemingly have a unified culture that has been assimilated over generations.

Do you have any idea how many people died violently as a part of being "assimilated over generations"? You are quite literally making my point for me.

That would be like exterminating or driving out half the blacks and Hispanics, breeding the survivors out of existence over the course of several hundred years, than congratulating ourselves on how well their cultures were assimilated.

Blogger VD February 24, 2016 10:33 AM  

Settle down, Sigbouncer.

OpenID sigbouncer February 24, 2016 10:36 AM  

Next cup I'll go half caf...

Anonymous Faceless February 24, 2016 10:38 AM  

Christopher Yost wrote:VD-

What do you consider it is to be American?

I've read the assertions that being American isn't just (or plainly isn't, not sure) holding particular ideals.

My knee-jerk is to disagree vociferously but I can't with any honesty since I don't know your actual stance.

I'm not here to ARGUE argue but to look for ideas 'n thoughts I haven't had/encountered yet. Or simply twists to what I already think I know.



I'm always considered the hang up on the notional definition of America or American to be like the feminist preoccupation with defining and redefining masculinity: So foreign to my way of thinking about things and so irrelevant to my life that I don't even think of it.

I know that, if you're born in Pittsburgh or Albuquerque or Salem or Mobile, you're an American, and your government should do things in your interest versus those not born in places within its borders.

Blogger FALPhil February 24, 2016 10:40 AM  

@58 This is the exact type of thinking that will keep the "African-Americans" down. I find it highly amusing that my black friends who grew up in other countries do not carry this baggage. At all.

Blogger kmbr February 24, 2016 10:41 AM  

**Sweden... who can guess what goes on in their minds.**

It's a society nearly completely run on estrogen.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan February 24, 2016 10:45 AM  

The Elders of Wye have not spoken yet, but when the butthurt subsides I expect we shall be told that we white working class are not worthy of their world healing magic and that we from now on are not even worthy of their specialness. Think I'm whacked we'll see

Blogger Rusty Fife February 24, 2016 10:45 AM  

kmbr wrote:**Sweden... who can guess what goes on in their minds.**

It's a society nearly completely run on estrogen.



I blame ABBA.

Blogger Gaiseric February 24, 2016 10:48 AM  

SouthRon wrote:The more I think about Vox's argument of time-to-civilization and how long it takes for a person's posterity to accultureate, it explains a lot of my own journey.

As a child I never understood why my aunts, uncles and family never really seemed to fit the Midwestern mold. My grandfather was born and raised in Alabama. My grandmother's roots come from southern Appalachia. As I reached adulthood I began to realize I didn't fit either.

To the extent that anecdotes prove anything at all: I completely agree. My extended family is from northern Georgia mostly, and I still have tons of third, fourth, etc. cousins and whatnot in the area. We are ethnic Borderlander-Americans in the David Fischer sense of the term.

For about four generations, however, we lived out West, and my father grew up in pre-crazy Leftist California and Washington State. But he always said that his father and his grandfather (and he himself) always felt like they were just different from everyone around them. It wasn't until he moved our family to Texas when I was a baby that he was able to really see it in cultural context and understand it properly. It didn't take him long to decide that Texas was where he would stay.

Our family came a little later than Davy Crockett (for which our ancestors mourn) but I consider myself fully an ethnic Texan now; closely allied with ethnic Southerners and ethnic Westerners, friendly enough with Midlands Midwesterners, although not really at all one of them, and aggressively opposed to the totalitarian Yankees of the northeast and their hippy-dippy colonists who have taken over the Left Coast.

There have been moments in our history where, if we'd gone a different way, we could have gelled as "One Nation Under God"—but we didn't. We've never been that, and it's almost impossible to see a path whereby we become that. We should quit playing at it since all it has brought us is centuries of conflict and ethnic oppression, with more to come.

Blogger praetorian February 24, 2016 10:51 AM  

This is the gayest thing you've posted in the last 24 months. I mean this is approaching shirtless obama on a unicorn gay.

Can a man not profit from meditating platonically upon the awesome perfection of the Winged God Emperor Final Boss Troll?

You're fired.

Blogger Nate February 24, 2016 10:51 AM  

"Next cup I'll go half caf..."

I have never supported a national candidate of any major party for anything. I've never given a dime to any of them. I've never voted for them.

Anonymous t.c. February 24, 2016 10:52 AM  

Out of general curiosity, and piggybacking on Chris Yost's query at the beginning of the thread, when it comes to nationalism in America, Vox, I know you are in support of repatriating immigrants, but how far back do you go? I'm not arguing, I'm really curious and since I don't come here often or post often, I'm sure I've missed your explanation elsewhere. Is it just non-Caucasian immigrants? Immigrants going back a few decades? Just immigrants who won't support certain American ideals? Like, if you were in charge today and given free rein, what would be your specifics? Thanks for the info!

Blogger Dave February 24, 2016 10:55 AM  

I blame ABBA.

Oh god, do you know you've done? Steve is going to be quoting ABBA song titles and lyrics.

Blogger wrf3 February 24, 2016 10:57 AM  

I blame C. S. Lewis. Think of all the minds he poisoned in his Narnia Chronicles by depicting "the Dwarves are for the Dwarves" as being the bad guys who, in the end, finally came to their senses, joined hands with the elves, satyrs, fauns, humans, badgers, ... and sang kumbyya.

Blogger praetorian February 24, 2016 10:57 AM  

We're all on the Brakeless Trump Train now, Ilk.

Time to stop fighting about it and start throwing rocks out the windows...

Anonymous Leonidas February 24, 2016 10:57 AM  

Trump vs Biden...in the the greatest most entertaining election season since Lincoln Douglas.

I was really, really hoping Biden would enter the race because this is exactly what I wanted to see and for exactly that reason. And I also feel pretty confident that Biden could've actually beaten the pants off of both Hillary and Bernie.

And there are the news reports now that he regrets not entering the race "every single day." I would too if I were him.

Blogger VD February 24, 2016 10:58 AM  

Out of general curiosity, and piggybacking on Chris Yost's query at the beginning of the thread, when it comes to nationalism in America, Vox, I know you are in support of repatriating immigrants, but how far back do you go?

Ideally 1965. That deal was sold to Americans as not changing the demographic balance of the country. It should be restored. But we could probably settle for 1986, as that's when the Great Hispanic Invasion really took off.

OpenID denektenorsk February 24, 2016 11:02 AM  

Hi Vox,

I'm not trying to be argumentative, I want to understand your position. For what little it is worth I don't think our assimilation/multicultural policies have worked at all.

Do you have any idea how many people died violently as a part of being "assimilated over generations"? You are quite literally making my point for me.

I have an idea which is likely completely out of line with fact. I know it happened and I completely agree with you that an invasion of this sort will be destructive to the host population. I didn't say it wouldn't. I don't want that because a) my side will be on the receiving end until we've decided we've had enough and b) I consider the invading culture retrograde.

The reason I posted is I would like to understand the position around culture == genetics.

England (pre multiculturalism) is demonstrably no longer genetically Saxon and no longer has a Saxon culture. They have a unified culture that is different to that of the Irish or Scots (stay with me, I know this reinforces your point).

My mis-understanding / perhaps over simplification of your position is that genetics == culture and that's what I want to understand. England (re)formed have a unified culture at some point post Danish/Norman invasions which then broke down along religious lines, etc. ad nauseum. The Welsh and Scots definitely have a different outlook.

Is your position that the new "mixed" Saxon/Dane/Norman genetics is the new base line and that is what forms the new cultural base line? That's what I want to understand...

Blogger Salt February 24, 2016 11:04 AM  

That deal was sold to Americans as not changing the demographic balance of the country.

How many could stay as to be at that demographic balance? Now, hold a lottery. $1000/ticket for the chance to stay. Might as well let the country get a little something out of it.

OpenID sigbouncer February 24, 2016 11:08 AM  

"I have never supported a national candidate of any major party for anything. I've never given a dime to any of them. I've never voted for them."

Good, then let's work to get all these incumbent establishment assholes out of office. We need new blood to represent.

Blogger Student in Blue February 24, 2016 11:12 AM  

@VD
Now you are beginning to understand.

I've understood the genetics/culture point for a while now. Figuring out how ideals fit into it, if they fit into it at all, is where I'm at right now.

Or nations-in-development, as the case may be. Homogeneous nations are born from heterogeneous societies.

Considering how differing ideals can lead to heterogeneous societies, even within shared genetics, would it be correct to state that differing ideals are proto-culture, and thus proto-nations-in-development?

Blogger Rusty Fife February 24, 2016 11:12 AM  

Dave wrote:
Oh god, do you know you've done? Steve is going to be quoting ABBA song titles and lyrics.


Nate is the one who brought up 'teh gey'; don't blame me for who it excites.

Anonymous Rhetoric Man February 24, 2016 11:15 AM  

“The idea of a nation presupposes a homogeneous people--that's how nations organically come into being.”

Americans were originally of European, Caucasian stock, so they were homogenous in this specific aspect. But immigrants who came referred to themselves as their distinct ethnic group and their religion, so there were heterogenous in this respect. Collectively, they blended through intermarriage and political, economic, and social interactions to create a society reflective of their identities.

“Nature will have its way, whether we like it or not.”

And it is the nature of citizens of the United States to live in their own communities, interact with whom they prefer, and refer to themselves as Americans.

“The story of the founding of America is, in this particular instance at least, a story of greed.”

So, is this an indictment on the in-born nature of Europeans for avarice?

“Identity has nothing to do with ideals.”

A person’s identity is in part how a person identifies themselves, which includes personal and national principles derived from said personal principles.

“Of course the only way to accomplish that would be to have the exact same culture, and the only way to have the exact same culture would be to share genetics.”

Which observably represents the citizens of the United States.

"That deal was sold to Americans as not changing the demographic balance of the country."

The demographic balance of the country had been changed numerous times--the nativists didn't want the Irish and Germans, who in turn didn't want the Italians and Slavs, who in turn didn't want the Mexicans, who in turn didn't want the Vietnamese, etc.

I'll wait for the movie to come out when hordes of white people get off their i-Phones and stop checking their bank accounts to begin the process of slitting the throats of non-white men, women, and children. In the end, if this doomsday scenario occurs, why should ex-pats even remotely care?

Anonymous Tiny duck February 24, 2016 11:16 AM  

Immigration must happen and soon because white men need to be put in their place.

This is what white people do: Take what is not yours, refuse to assimilate to the culture you found when you got here, kill anyone who stands in your way. Refuse to learn the language and religion of the people who saved your lives when you arrived on our shores. Now you are experiencing what you did to the First Peoples here. Get over it you reap what you have sown!

OpenID denektenorsk February 24, 2016 11:19 AM  

This is what white people do: Take what is not yours, refuse to assimilate to the culture you found when you got here, kill anyone who stands in your way. Refuse to learn the language and religion of the people who saved your lives when you arrived on our shores. Now you are experiencing what you did to the First Peoples here. Get over it you reap what you have sown!

You are joking right? EVERY culture does this. Some are just more successful at it.

Blogger Student in Blue February 24, 2016 11:19 AM  

@denektenorsk
The reason I posted is I would like to understand the position around culture == genetics.

For what it's worth, the way I approach it is this: We know there are genetic predispositions for alcoholism. That person with a predisposition will forever deal with and relate to alcohol completely different than the guy who'll probably never get addicted.

Now, if you have an entire city full of people who are predisposed towards alcoholism... it's very very very likely that they'll pass laws of some sorts in regard to alcohol far different than the next city. They'll handle bars and liquor stores far differently. Kids growing up in that city will also most likely be predisposed to alcoholism, et cetera, et cetera.

So now the entire culture around handling liquor is different, because of genetic differences. Culture, from genetics.

Blogger VFM #7191 February 24, 2016 11:21 AM  

Don't feed the troll...

Blogger JaimeInTexas February 24, 2016 11:22 AM  

@31. Nate February 24, 2016 9:43 AM

"..and who actually has helped start a political party dedicated to getting the South to secede..."


@42. Mr.MantraMan February 24, 2016 10:06 AM

"Sorry Nate I myself wasted 10 years in the LoS ..."

I was about to ask you, Nate, if that was the LoS. Mr. MantraMan answered.

I lived in North Carolina for 3 years and was a member at its starting. I met Michael Hill and Clyde Wilson, at a meeting, once.

Blogger Nick S February 24, 2016 11:23 AM  

Atomic Agent 13 wrote:Also, the fact that his last name is "Trump" and that Revelation indicates certain actions with "trumps" has not been lost on anyone else?

Did you miss Nick S wrote: Two Corinthians 11:14?

See: The Trumpening

Anonymous Dave February 24, 2016 11:23 AM  

Rusty Fife wrote:Dave wrote:

Oh god, do you know you've done? Steve is going to be quoting ABBA song titles and lyrics.


Nate is the one who brought up 'teh gey'; don't blame me for who it excites.



Actually I think Nate's point was that Vox brought up 'teh gey'. I would not attempt to pass off blame on Nate for invoking Steve by mentioning a musical group; even one as totally awesome as ABBA.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer February 24, 2016 11:24 AM  

Just cause Nate said that the graphic was the gayest thing he had seen in the last 24 hours.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVM2wtL_CdQ

Anonymous Takin' a Look February 24, 2016 11:25 AM  

@ Denektenorsk


"Is your position that the new "mixed" Saxon/Dane/Norman genetics is the new base line and that is what forms the new cultural base line? That's what I want to understand..."

I'll jump in here and answer for Vox.

Yes, out of heterogeneous societies a new homogenous base-line is usually established over time. It may be by assimilation, genocide or a combination of both. Exceptions are clannish folks who live in ghettos or marginal territories and do not attempt to routinely antagonize the larger population :examples, Amish/Karaite Jews. Those that do antagonize the larger population quickly develop a universalist, cosmopolitan aspect:examples: Talmudic Jews/Gypsies, but maintain a recognizable ingrouping no matter their attempts to ingratiate with the wider world. Blood will always out so to speak.

Blogger JaimeInTexas February 24, 2016 11:27 AM  

Hey, ABBA brings to mind some good memories ... a pretty girl and polishing belt buckles to slow music.

Anonymous BGKB February 24, 2016 11:27 AM  

i dunno, Nate. he's already at, like, gay cubed.and that was before he started "hanging out" ( don't think about that too ... hard ) with Milo.

Dont forget the flaming sword

"This is a sad day for the ultranationalists, for now."No, because unlike in Europe, the U.S. has no real contingent of such.

No fanatic like the recently converted. Look at your paychecks, that's going to Latrina's 21 crackbabies.

And it is the nature of citizens of the United States to live in their own communities, interact with whom they prefer

Everyone but blacks are ok with living around their own people.

Tiny DickThis is what white people do: Take what is not yours, refuse to assimilate to the culture you found

Asians and whites are the only people that pushed civilization forward. If white people assimilated to the Indians they would need multiple square miles per person for foraging. Don't culturally appropriate running water or electricity. It is a great insult to Indian warriors to give away to Hispanics what we fought their people in battle to win.

Blogger Student in Blue February 24, 2016 11:29 AM  

@Rhetoric Man
Americans were originally of European, Caucasian stock, so they were homogenous in this specific aspect.

Only in skin color, and some were still swarthier than others. Skin color is not the extent of genetic differences however.

Collectively, they blended through intermarriage and political, economic, and social interactions to create a society reflective of their identities.

It's by no means a perfect homogeneous blend across America. Midwesterners are not Southerners are not New Englanders.

There is not one American society, but multiple.

A person’s identity is in part how a person identifies themselves, which includes personal and national principles derived from said personal principles.

That's playing semantics. By context it was clear Vox was referring to national identity, not personal identity. A personal identity is formed from ideals and national identity, sure.

Which observably represents the citizens of the United States.

Observably incorrect.

Try telling Nate that he shares the exact same culture as a New England Yankee.

In the end, if this doomsday scenario occurs, why should ex-pats even remotely care?

You realize Vox has been advocating for the position he believes produces the least bloodshed?

Blogger Alexander February 24, 2016 11:30 AM  

@80

Actually, the English are still remarkably 'Saxon'. The Danes didn't integrate and when they left, they left. The Normans still have their own (upper) caste and you can still see significant gaps between income, life expectancy, education levels, etc. etc. between people with Norman or Saxon surnames.

Google a genetic map of England: you can still quite clearly see genetic boundaries that distinguish Dorset and Cornwall from the rest of England, as well as a genetic border along the Welsh Marches.

Blogger kmbr February 24, 2016 11:30 AM  

** even one as totally awesome as ABBA.**

I spent an afternoon in the Abba museum one day. It was 4 of the happiest hours of my life. I literally lost track of time and place.

1970s Sweden--such an idyllic place. Why did it have to end?

OpenID denektenorsk February 24, 2016 11:30 AM  

So now the entire culture around handling liquor is different, because of genetic differences. Culture, from genetics.

What about children who actively do something differently? E.g. dirty hippies in the 60s, PC police in the 90s, or regressive SJWs today? These people are of the culture (and in many cases the genetic heritage if you will) and actively seek to destroy it from within.

I completely agree that having a hostile ethic group invade you is not a good thing. I also think that reducing friction between different groups of people (i.e. fences make good neighbours) is a good thing. I don't think that culture is that cut and dry though.

Blogger Elocutioner February 24, 2016 11:30 AM  

Ron Winkleheimer wrote:Most of the anti-Trump stuff I see from "conservatives" falls into two camps.

1) He is a lying liar and you rubes are to stupid to see it.


Well, yeah. Secret kings are very clever, you know. They see the world differently since they're so intelligent and PROPERLY educated. Argue with one of these guys white knighting for their candidate and you'll see how personally they react to any disagreement or slight.

Side note - I believe SJW's are a subset of a basic human archetype. It's not accurate to call cucks SJW's as they're not aligned on that political axis. There has to be a better term that covers the intersection of the two that an ideological modifier can be tacked on to differentiate them.

Blogger Nate February 24, 2016 11:31 AM  

"I lived in North Carolina for 3 years and was a member at its starting. I met Michael Hill and Clyde Wilson, at a meeting, once."

Then we probably met at won time or another as well. My brother and I were heavily involved in the Southern Party 2000 and in the League of the South and Dixienet for years before that.

Blogger VD February 24, 2016 11:33 AM  

Now you are experiencing what you did to the First Peoples here. Get over it you reap what you have sown!

I am an American Indian, you cretin.

Anonymous DDT February 24, 2016 11:33 AM  

You are joking right? EVERY culture does this. Some are just more successful at it.

You know what's funny? Watching what happens to the ethnic minorities in areas with non-white ethnic majorities.

Watch what happens to blacks in areas where latinos dominate.

Blogger bob k. mando February 24, 2016 11:34 AM  

86. Tiny duck February 24, 2016 11:16 AM
Immigration must happen and soon because white men need to be put in their place.



yes, yes, let the racism flow through you.


86. Tiny duck February 24, 2016 11:16 AM
Now you are experiencing what you did to the First Peoples here.



oh yes, those homicidal, thieving, slaving lunatics.

good thing Christians came to the Americas and ended all of that.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_sacrifice_in_Aztec_culture

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_civilization#Human_sacrifice

Blogger Michael O'Duibhir February 24, 2016 11:36 AM  

"Historical revisionism."
FALPhil,
So they didn't bring in African slaves to work the fields that were much too large for one family to work?

Blogger JaimeInTexas February 24, 2016 11:41 AM  

@102. Nate
Now I wiping the cobwebs in my memory banks and see what I can recollect.

Blogger The Other Robot February 24, 2016 11:42 AM  

Tiny dick wrote some drivel. I will probably have forgotten it in a few minutes.

Anonymous Blue Manticore February 24, 2016 11:45 AM  

Since we’re asking about general stuff here’s a few questions from a lurker:

This emphasis on genetics and racial heritage seems to erode the idea of our being free agents. If various groups are so determined to behave in certain ways that they cannot override this propensity why assume the so-called native Americans (lower case ‘n’) are any different? Why assume the rise of SWJs or the rise of Nationalism has any rational justification? In the end this kind of biological scepticism eats into all rational argument, thus we are faced with the choice of either rejecting it or admitting that the Laws of Logic themselves are only relative.

Some of you could justly come back and say I’m unfairly taking what is meant as a general demographic claims (to us SiB’s example those with a genetic predisposition towards alcoholism are statistically more likely to behave differently when confronted by alcohol) with a total claim. There’s some truth in this, but I want to know how and where the Ilk draw the line (particularly as a number of you are Christian and thus accept some form of moral responsibility).

Also: re Vox much repeated maxim about Diversity + Proximity = Conflict (of course he goes far further into the subject and provides historic examples). This is a claim about how groups tend to behave (which I can believe) but that alone tells us nothing about how they ought to behave.

Anonymous Mercy Vetsel February 24, 2016 11:46 AM  

So here's my question for the ilk: Is talking tough on immigration enough to give an unproven newbie the keys to the white house?

I'll grant that if I ignore everything except for what was said in the last 12 months, that Trump blows Cruz away. But isn't trusting politicians who talk tough on immigration during the election exactly the problem? Could it be that the problem is NOT that politicians don't talk tough enough but that they don't follow through?

As thoroughly enjoyable as it was to watch leftists fie to the fainting couches after each Trumpism, the track record of Trump is deplorable. Back when Cruz was leading a lonely and ferocious attack against the Rubio amnesty bill including poison pills, public statements and even lobbying for its defeat in the House of Representatives, what was Trump doing? Oh, he was still supporting Clinton, Reid, Pelosi and Obama with money and his big mouth. During that crucial and perilous battle, NOT A PEEP from the biggest mouth in Manhattan. Even worse, we're supposed to overlook this because he actually understood that the cultural Marxist crew are the enemy but didn't have enough billions to put the country ahead of his personal enrichment. Really?

Forget about already being a billionaire, how many of you WITH WHAT YOU HAVE NOW would have donated to and said kind words about Hillary, Pelosi, Reid and Obama to advance your career and marginally increase your net worth?

How pathetic that when we have someone like Cruz fighting a lonely and valiant fight in the lion's den, that we'll chuck him aside because we found an admitted master huckster with a bigger mouth.

That brings me to another aspect to this Trump cult of personality that makes the alt right seem like dorky incel keyboard jockeys about as far away from alphahood as Rubio is from a first place finish. Don't you realize that alpha's don't worship other alphas? I can understand that the risk that Trump is just using his primary voters for a pump and dump gets Ann Coulter flustered and moist, but what the hell is your excuse? Do you get excited hiring an alpha plumber because he might fuck your wife? How about supporting the candidate that's proven he's dedicated to getting the job done? Hell, I want the BETA plumber who's so faithful to his wife that he just masterfully fixed an impossible plumbing disaster during a pajama party at the local sorority house without getting distracted, not the ALPHA plumber who brags about how he fucked my neighbor's wife while installed the wrong type of pipes in his house but is promising me the best plumbing job that's ever been done.

FDR and Lyndon Johnson were the two biggest disasters this country has every seen, but they were big swinging dicks. Alpha males. I get the whole Heartiste "I'm going to be an alpha and get as much tail as possible even if it hastens the destruction of our civilization" approach, but when you aren't sure that a man really believes in anything and have strong evidence that he will put his personal interest ahead of the country, what good does it do if he's an alpha male? Is there some sort of vicarious thrill here that I'm missing out on?

So yeah, I'm frustrated to see our best warrior in D.C. being not only rejected in favor of a flake but also seeing ilk dish out treatment that should be reserved for the enemy.

Mercy

Anonymous #8601 Jean Valjean February 24, 2016 11:47 AM  

Nate,

Regarding the secession of the South, I wish you nothing but success.

Blogger The Hammer February 24, 2016 11:49 AM  

"Or nations-in-development, as the case may be. Homogeneous nations are born from heterogeneous societies."

Vox,

Have you heard of Colin Woodard's book "American Nations"?

He argues America was multiple state-less nations from the 1500's onward, eventually developing into the 11 state-less nations that exist here today since the 1800's. For the present realities, he also uses data by county. I've linked to his county map below which also has the 11 names and borders.

I'm just through the 1st two chapters so far. He claims New France and El Norte are the most likely to achieve statehood by 2100. Of course, he's wrong on that particular timeline, and it will be more than 3, and sooner. He also denies that there any underpinning genetic realities to the nations in the introduction, but the book has still had plenty of value so far.

http://colinwoodard.blogspot.com/2012/04/presenting-slighty-revised-american.html

Blogger bob k. mando February 24, 2016 11:50 AM  

110. Mercy Vetsel February 24, 2016 11:46 AM
Is talking tough on immigration enough to give an unproven newbie the keys to the white house?



when your alternative is Republicans who flagrantly cheated the electoral process to get Romney the nomination the last time around and who gave us the Ryan 2016 budget?

yes.

Anonymous Athor Pel February 24, 2016 11:50 AM  

" 26. Blogger John Wright February 24, 2016 9:36 AM
"The Dar al-Islam for the Muslims."

Here we disagree. The lands conquered by Muslims which were originally provinces of the Roman Empire must be reconquered, and the invaders expelled. "



Why not Moab for the Moabites or Edom for the Edomites or Elam for the Elamites? Let's go find some Philistines and put them back in Capthor. Better yet, Chaldeans in Chaldea, Hittites in Hatti, Tartessians in Tartessos, Scythians in Scythia...

Oops, they're all gone.

Please be careful Mr. Wright, you're illuminating the spirit of Rome within your church.

Blogger Lovekraft February 24, 2016 11:52 AM  

@ 110: which is why Trump is appealing to people on a populist platform. He isn't stupid. He won't try a method of delivery the people don't want. This doesn't automatically mean he's all talk.

And we don't know how many times Trump stood up on behalf of the little man like you describe Cruz on amnesty. Trump is in the business and (partially) entertainment worlds, so he may have a proven track record of following through on commitments.

Blogger Lovekraft February 24, 2016 11:56 AM  

@ 101 "There has to be a better term"

Here we go again. Can we have a vote or something and get it over with? I don't care that sjws constantly change definitions, nor those of the alt-right persuasion. But if it puts an end to this debate, I'm happy.

Blogger Josh February 24, 2016 11:57 AM  

Have you heard of Colin Woodard's book "American Nations"?

He argues America was multiple state-less nations from the 1500's onward, eventually developing into the 11 state-less nations that exist here today since the 1800's. For the present realities, he also uses data by county. I've linked to his county map below which also has the 11 names and borders.


I cannot recommend this book enough.

Anonymous TS February 24, 2016 11:57 AM  

"So yeah, I'm frustrated to see our best warrior in D.C."

Dude get a grip, Cruz is already bought and sold by the vampire squid ie... Goldman Sacks. "Best warrior" LOL.

Anonymous fromunda February 24, 2016 11:59 AM  

I spent an afternoon in the Abba museum one day. It was 4 of the happiest hours of my life. I literally lost track of time and place.

Jesus Christ. This thread is throbbing.

Start the foam machine and crank up "Waterloo" already.

Blogger Rusty Fife February 24, 2016 11:59 AM  

Blue Manticore wrote:

This emphasis on genetics and racial heritage seems to erode the idea of our being free agents. If various groups are so determined to behave in certain ways that they cannot override this propensity why assume the so-called native Americans (lower case ‘n’) are any different?


Everyone's decision filter is going to be bounded by: nature, nurture, and environment. It's not that it is pre-determined; but the optimum decision for any give problem will not be the same for each individual. When your individuals are relatively homogenous, everyone can agree on the solution. If not, there is conflict about the solution and it will be very non-optimal for some people.

Therefore diversity + proximity = war

Genetics is only 1/3 of the problem.

Blogger Scott6584 February 24, 2016 11:59 AM  

That is coming. The break up of the USA is now inevitable.

Blogger Gaiseric February 24, 2016 11:59 AM  

@112: Albion's Seed by David Fischer is better. He doesn't come up with as many nations, as he's not as much of a splitter, but Woodard basically was just riffing off of his work, except without the dialectic backdrop.

Blogger Lovekraft February 24, 2016 12:00 PM  

Immigration must happen and soon because white men need to be put in their place.

This is what white people do: Take what is not yours, refuse to assimilate to the culture you found when you got here, kill anyone who stands in your way. Refuse to learn the language and religion of the people who saved your lives when you arrived on our shores. Now you are experiencing what you did to the First Peoples here. Get over it you reap what you have sown!

Could you at least make some effort in not sounding like a troll? Perhaps a sub-categorization of these 'whites'. In you logic, a six year old girl should be brought to the gallows because pigment.

Blogger Lovekraft February 24, 2016 12:01 PM  

Damn. The first two paragraphs are from Tiny Duck.

Blogger Respect Orcs Now February 24, 2016 12:06 PM  

This is what white people do: Take what is not yours, refuse to assimilate to the culture you found when you got here, kill anyone who stands in your way. Refuse to learn the language and religion of the people who saved your lives when you arrived on our shores. Now you are experiencing what you did to the First Peoples here. Get over it you reap what you have sown!


The white mans burden. Perfecting what others have tried before him.

Blogger Gaiseric February 24, 2016 12:07 PM  

Rusty Fife wrote:Everyone's decision filter is going to be bounded by: nature, nurture, and environment.
In addition, on a variation on the MPAI theme, most people are also lazy and weak and fall back on the "natural man" as Paul calls him rather than choose to reject the natural man and do something other than his genetic and cultural background would lead him to.

So it's not predestination, although some articulate the theory to almost sound like it. Everyone can choose to transcend their natural man. It's just that for any given randomly selected person, the odds against it are pretty darn high.

Anonymous Watchu talkin bout Willis February 24, 2016 12:10 PM  

No way Kasich wins Ohio. Best he can hope for is 2nd place at about 20%. Despite the endorsement of state GOP'ers -- because they're homers -- Kasich is not all that popular with the rank and file here. Trump will win the Buckeye State. Bank on it.

Anonymous Jack Amok February 24, 2016 12:15 PM  

at this point my great hope is to this:

Actually Nate, I have a question for you about hope.

Of all the scenarios you think are plausible - this fall and over the next few years - what do you think would be the best one for the 200 or so million people in North American that could claim to be Americans under Vox's definition?

Or at least for the 50 to 60 million Southrons?

Blogger exfarmkid February 24, 2016 12:16 PM  

23. Nate "Trump vs Biden...in the the greatest most entertaining election season since Lincoln Douglas."

Stop tantalizing me....

Blogger FALPhil February 24, 2016 12:19 PM  

@86
Now you are experiencing what you did to the First Peoples here.

They deserved it for being on our land before we got here. We deserve it for not protecting what belongs to us. :-Q

Blogger bob k. mando February 24, 2016 12:20 PM  

129. exfarmkid February 24, 2016 12:16 PM
Stop tantalizing me....



oh, bull.

the most awesome campaign scenario is still Hillary debating the Donald, Donald slam dunking that stupid cunt on Bill's rapes + her national security felonies + Benghazi and Hillary stroking out and dying live on national television.

Anonymous Bz February 24, 2016 12:20 PM  

I'm exceedingly fine with recovering North Africa from the muslims over time. I'd also want to see the populations of Bosnia, Albania and Kosovo convert or permanently depart to warmer climes. And of course returning all the Merkel trash to their origin. Am I forgetting anything? ... Oh yes, take Constantinople back too.

Blogger The Hammer February 24, 2016 12:21 PM  

Good to hear Josh. I forgot to mention that so far, he seems to be glossing over the English dominance in the Founding, population and ideas-wise. Does he later say something about that which segues with what Vox argued in Cuckservative?

Blogger Scott6584 February 24, 2016 12:22 PM  

Bottom line: Trump has won the Republican nomination. It is only a formality to collect the necessary delegate count now. Those of us who think he's a sheep in wolves clothing, and a fake Republican have to deal with that reality. There is no escaping it now. Those who back Trump have a season of celebration ahead of them. It remains to be seen how his nomination will affect the general election. And it further remains to be seen what a President Trump would actually do in office, or how another Democrat President would further diminish the country if Trump loses in November.

Time to deal with reality and not fantasy.

Blogger Scott6584 February 24, 2016 12:23 PM  

Bottom line: Trump has won the Republican nomination. It is only a formality to collect the necessary delegate count now. Those of us who think he's a sheep in wolves clothing, and a fake Republican have to deal with that reality. There is no escaping it now. Those who back Trump have a season of celebration ahead of them. It remains to be seen how his nomination will affect the general election. And it further remains to be seen what a President Trump would actually do in office, or how another Democrat President would further diminish the country if Trump loses in November.

Time to deal with reality and not fantasy.

Blogger Scott6584 February 24, 2016 12:23 PM  

That is coming. The break up of the USA is now inevitable.

Blogger JaimeInTexas February 24, 2016 12:24 PM  

@129. exfarmkid

"Stop tantalizing me...."

Isn't it?

Blogger Jed Mask February 24, 2016 12:27 PM  

WOW: Trump looks like an "angel" protecting us 'Mercan's... lol. Beautiful.

OpenID denektenorsk February 24, 2016 12:28 PM  

Yes, out of heterogeneous societies a new homogenous base-line is usually established over time. It may be by assimilation, genocide or a combination of both.

Smash a few hundred thousand eggs, voila new genetic omelet and new culture. I understand more of the nunances than I did this morning.

Vox is a humanitarian who wants to avoid the smashing of eggs part. Not exactly a quality I look for in a Supreme Dark Lord of the Evil Legion of Evil... but there you go.

All joking aside, I get the position. There is definitely a nuture aspect to it too though. Otherwise we wouldn't have things like hippies and SJWs trying to destroy the very culture they were born into if it was programmed into them at the lowest level.

Actually, the English are still remarkably 'Saxon'. The Danes didn't integrate and when they left, they left. The Normans still have their own (upper) caste and you can still see significant gaps between income, life expectancy, education levels, etc. etc. between people with Norman or Saxon surnames.

I've visited Cornwall/Devon and they definitely have a different culture/are more friendly than the Midlands of England. Probably because the invaders already had enough peat and sheep.

However, the Danes did sow their seeds before they left. The Normans had a crack as well. So while I think research along genetic lines would be an interesting topic (if it wasn't so taboo) I'd caution that surnames are not reliable due to the usual reasons (rape, infidelity, interclan marriage etc.) and that nobles from one group would definitely have an advantage over peasants in the other. I.e. access to education - if not the inate ability to take full advantage of it. Even being richer and having access to more food would be a massive advantage over a smart person with no resources to feed their offspring. Those people have been removed from the sample set however.

Blogger Gaiseric February 24, 2016 12:30 PM  

23. Nate "Trump vs Biden...in the the greatest most entertaining election season since Lincoln Douglas."

Nah, it could get better. Hillary wins through a brokered, "cheating" convention, pissing off the Bernie supporters enough that he gets emboldened to run as an independent. The same thing happening with Rubio on the R side so Trump runs as an independent. Exasperated for the future of the country, Biden and Bloomberg throw their hats into the ring as independents. We get the craziest election we've all ever seen, the power of the establishment parties is broken forever, Sanders as a weak beta-male rabbit and Hillary as a paranoid, criminally dishonest harpy, and Rubio as a tool of the Chamber of Commerce are all eaten for lunch publicly and everything that they stand for is discredited in the minds of the electorate, and nationalism continues to rise.

Blogger Student in Blue February 24, 2016 12:31 PM  

@denektenorsk
What about children who actively do something differently? E.g. dirty hippies in the 60s, PC police in the 90s, or regressive SJWs today? These people are of the culture (and in many cases the genetic heritage if you will) and actively seek to destroy it from within.

That would fall under ideals I believe, which I'm still in the midst of grappling with.

My current running theory is that ideals and genetics to culture is nurture and nature to individual identity.

You can't just supplant ideals and expect, say, Iraqis to become a model democratic state.

@Blue Manticore
This emphasis on genetics and racial heritage seems to erode the idea of our being free agents.

Free will exists, you just have to remember when dealing with mass groups of people, you have to deal with averages, and people exercising their free agency and being in complete control of self are very, very un-average.

On some level, at some time, we all use our instincts, in other words.

This is a claim about how groups tend to behave (which I can believe) but that alone tells us nothing about how they ought to behave.

Telling people how they ought to behave is best left to religion.

Anonymous Jack Amok February 24, 2016 12:33 PM  

England (pre multiculturalism) is demonstrably no longer genetically Saxon and no longer has a Saxon culture.

England was an interesting case of immigration/invasion. It was always kind of a hard place to get to, so invaders had to be pretty hardy to make the attempt. Which meant once they landed and became the natives, they were also pretty hard to displace. Plus, invaders had trouble bringing large numbers. Ever since the Romans (who never tried), the invaders have never been able to wipe out or push off the natives - they've always ended up mingling with them. The English language shows that heritage - the Saxon language merging with the language of the Britons, and in turn being merged with Norman French.

So England is about the best case the natives can hope for when successfully invaded - that a part of their culture will live on through being adopted by their new overlords.

For the opposite, look at Cherokees. Or Ainu. Better yet, the Arawak.

Anonymous Jack Amok February 24, 2016 12:36 PM  

This emphasis on genetics and racial heritage seems to erode the idea of our being free agents.

No. Each of us is still a free agent, but as a couple others have already said, only a fraction of any people of any heritage really take advantage of that freedom. Most take the easy route and go along with their pre-dispositions. So the majority of people will behave according to their genetics, and thus the culture will be shaped by those genetics much more than by free will.

Have you heard of Colin Woodard's book "American Nations"?

An interesting book, and he gets some things right, but he refutes his own thesis with the way he ends the book. After claiming region trumps party politics, he closes by showing he is blind to the problems of liberal policies. For instance, he claims Right To Work laws are just about making plutocrats rich at the expense of workers, and gives no thought to the idea that the UAW may have been responsible for the decline of Detroit's manufacturing base. He shapes his view of geography to fit his view of politics, which is the inverse of what he argues.

He also makes a spectacular bloomer about immigration. He mentions that the great Irish/Italian/Polish/Asian immigration waves from the mid-19th through the early 20th century didn't really impact our culture, because today descendants of those immigrants "only" make up 50% of the population, so obviously they couldn't have had a big impact.

Seriously. He thinks 50% doesn't have an impact. The book starts off "genetics=culture" but ends up Magic Dirt personified.

I'm surprised Josh endorses the book, considering how antagonistic Woodard is to Southrons. Unless he endorses it as a part of Nate's "convince the Yankees they'd be better off without us rednecks" plan.

Blogger praetorian February 24, 2016 12:37 PM  

Don't feed the troll...

(kek)

The troll thinks we are locked in here with him...

Blogger bob k. mando February 24, 2016 12:37 PM  

135. Scott6584 February 24, 2016 12:23 PM
Time to deal with reality and not fantasy.



the day *you* start dealing with reality is the day you realize that Lenin's, “The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves.” applies to Mitch McConnell, Dennis Hastert, Paul Ryan and all of the Bush's.


Mitch, Boehner and Ryan are getting what they want ... while claiming not to want it.

what are you getting?

Blogger exfarmkid February 24, 2016 12:38 PM  

131. Bob K. Mando "the most awesome campaign scenario is still Hillary debating the Donald, Donald slam dunking that stupid cunt on Bills rapes + her national security felonies + Benghazi and Hillary stroking out and dying live on national television."

Yes, but the problem is that the entertainment doesn't last long enough if it goes your preferred way. One explosive shot of joy versus a long sizzling burn. Think about it.

Blogger VD February 24, 2016 12:47 PM  

Is talking tough on immigration enough to give an unproven newbie the keys to the white house?

Given the alternatives, yes.

Don't you realize that alpha's don't worship other alphas?

Game rhetoric? Here, of all places?

Mercy

Ah, that explains it. The men are talking, madam. Be quiet, listen, and learn.

Blogger bob k. mando February 24, 2016 12:48 PM  

146. exfarmkid February 24, 2016 12:38 PM
One explosive shot of joy versus a long sizzling burn.



i didn't say you couldn't spend 12 hours and an industrial size tub of olive oil getting to the money shot.

i'd be perfectly fine with Hillary getting all the way to the last debate before the election before she keeled over.

heck, i'd be fine if she made it to election night and seized up making her concession speech because we found out her ceiling was 30% of the pop vote and 2 Electoral College chits.

Blogger Josh February 24, 2016 12:48 PM  

I'm surprised Josh endorses the book, considering how antagonistic Woodard is to Southrons. Unless he endorses it as a part of Nate's "convince the Yankees they'd be better off without us rednecks" plan.

He's from Maine, of course he is antagonistic to southrons.

I endorse the book because it's the best illustration of the various nations that make up the USA.

Blogger Josh February 24, 2016 12:53 PM  

Albion's Seed by David Fischer is better. He doesn't come up with as many nations, as he's not as much of a splitter, but Woodard basically was just riffing off of his work, except without the dialectic backdrop.

Fischer was also only looking at settlement from the British isles.

Woodard is very upfront that he's expanding on Albion's Seed.

Anonymous average bob February 24, 2016 12:57 PM  

Demon brown, your people have an average iq of 85. You are fortunate to live here and sponge of the wealth generated by whitey. Or you could be the burka man in the motherland and go back to Africa where the iq average is 70.

Blogger Gaiseric February 24, 2016 12:57 PM  

@141 Student in Blue That would fall under ideals I believe, which I'm still in the midst of grappling with.

My current running theory is that ideals and genetics to culture is nurture and nature to individual identity.


I prefer to explain the rejection of American culture by the Boomer generation and those that followed as environmentally driven. K-strategists who are too good at what they do, and manage to create long-standing pacified environments to enjoy, doom their posterity to growing up in a r-selected environment. Regardless of genetics and culture, this environment eventually creates a stimulus that renders r-strategists in greater numbers.

There's also a divine component to be factored in. The Old Testament didn't show the Israelites getting humbled for their iniquity for nothing; that's meant to be a warning to what happens to God's people when they forsake him, to prompt them to repent. If they don't repent, then worse yet comes.

Anonymous average bob February 24, 2016 12:58 PM  

Meant to say "brutha man in the mother land"

Blogger Gaiseric February 24, 2016 1:01 PM  

@146 exfarmkid: Yes, but the problem is that the entertainment doesn't last long enough if it goes your preferred way. One explosive shot of joy versus a long sizzling burn. Think about it.

Although I'm not saying that I don't enjoy the entertainment value of political theater this particular election cycle, it's unexpected—a one-time "surprise and delight" feature, if you will. In general, I don't expect politics to entertain me. I expect it to leave me alone. To the extent that it hasn't in recent years, it's made me very grumpy.

Anonymous average bob February 24, 2016 1:01 PM  

How much wealth are you people generating in Detroit now that it is mostly black?

Anonymous cheddarman February 24, 2016 1:07 PM  

DUBYA IS A YANKEE TRANSPLANT. His family is old money Yankees that moved to Texas. Grand daddy was a senator from connecticut...it doesn't get much more Yankee than that

Blogger Gaiseric February 24, 2016 1:09 PM  

@150 Josh: Fischer was also only looking at settlement from the British isles.

Woodard is very upfront that he's expanding on Albion's Seed.


When Woodard went beyond repeating Albion's Seed and tried to add his own material, it was MUCH weaker. And, as Jack Amok pointed out, it's bizarrely wrong-headed and ignores all of its own evidence to come to all of the wrong conclusions.

It's not a bad book to read if you've already read Albion's Seed, just to get some extra oomph out of the idea, but I'd personally strongly recommend Albion's Seed first.

Anonymous cheddarman February 24, 2016 1:14 PM  

Sweet Home Alabama! Glad to hear of it, Nate. You will have the South back soon enough, imo

Blogger Nate February 24, 2016 1:18 PM  

"Of all the scenarios you think are plausible - this fall and over the next few years - what do you think would be the best one for the 200 or so million people in North American that could claim to be Americans under Vox's definition?

Or at least for the 50 to 60 million Southrons?"

This is a hard question because "best" implies good. At least in our common language.

There is not good option on the table. I have worked for Southron Independence for decades but is that 'good'? Sure it is.. but only in the long term. Its not good for he generation dying for it.

The "best" option for the american empire is to accept the reality of the decline that is going on... and go the route of the British Empire. Peacefully shrink the empire voluntarily... cut nations loose and shrink influence and power in a controlled way.

This is much better than what happens to most empires. Its survivable. its civilized.

Its also insanely rare... and in my study.. I conclude it only happened because England had a massive religious awakening at the same time and turned to God fully... and was thus spared the worse of it.

Does anyone see such a thing in America?

I don't.

But would be the best option. For the american leaders to realize that they simply cannot maintain this behemoth and start letting responsibility fall to other parties... and eventually letting the country itself break up into the natural pieces it always should have been.

Blogger Nate February 24, 2016 1:19 PM  

"Sweet Home Alabama!"

Roll Tide.

Blogger Student in Blue February 24, 2016 1:23 PM  

@Gaiseric
I prefer to explain the rejection of American culture by the Boomer generation and those that followed as environmentally driven.

Hm. Maybe it's more accurate and simpler to just think of culture as the plurality of individual identities.

Then, when either the genetic component gets changed or the nurture aspect gets wildly changed, and a lot of individual identities get changed, then so does the culture change.

Blogger Nate February 24, 2016 1:26 PM  

"Try telling Nate that he shares the exact same culture as a New England Yankee"

preach preacher.

Blogger James Dixon February 24, 2016 1:40 PM  

> Now you are experiencing what you did to the First Peoples here.

Except they weren't the "First Peoples": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mound_Builders

There's still debate as to whether the Mound Builders were the ancestors of the American Indians or not.

> So they didn't bring in African slaves to work the fields that were much too large for one family to work?

No, they didn't. The bought the slaves others brought in.

> So here's my question for the ilk: Is talking tough on immigration enough to give an unproven newbie the keys to the white house?

Being an articulate black was. I don't see why being a nationalist couldn't be.

Anonymous Rhetoric Man February 24, 2016 1:47 PM  

“Asians and whites are the only people that pushed civilization forward.”

All racial groups and ethnic groups in some fashion engaged in civilizing practices and moving civilization forward. The extent and complexity varies.

“Everyone but blacks are ok with living around their own people.”

Then why are there so many chicken stands and liquor stores in the hood?

“There is not one American society, but multiple.”

There are regions of the United States, each with their own society. Collectively, they generally refer to themselves as Americans who live [x] and are [y].

“Try telling Nate that he shares the exact same culture as a New England Yankee.”


That’s regionalism, which is inherent in any society. Does not blur the fact there are shared national traits between the South and New England amongst its citizens as a nation. Love guns? Yep. Love whiskey? Yep. Love football? Yep. Love limited government? Yep.

“You realize Vox has been advocating for the position he believes produces the least bloodshed?”

Yes. But that position (removal) is politically untenable. It’s not even a realistic option, especially given the overall status of today’s white males. Sure, there will be those rough and tumble types, the ones who itch for a fight, who want to reclaim America as it was in the 1950’s. Yet, the modern American male in general has been in steady masculine decline, so how will they be able muster up the testosterone to actually pick up knives and guns to kill non-whites, especially when it has been repeated that MPAI? Are those white males who actually have the guts and balls to go out in a blaze of glory have the moxie to pull it off over several years? Are they THAT alienated to engage in civil war? WILL they become that alienated to the point there will be a bloody showdown?

I’ll wait for the movie to come out.

“and eventually letting the country itself break up into the natural pieces it always should have been.”

Those who tout this plan ought to be on the front lines politically and militarily rather blogging about it. But, I suppose, just wait because it is assumed the weight of the USA will come crashing down at some point. Why give it a push when it is already sliding down, right? How honorable.

Blogger Rusty Fife February 24, 2016 1:52 PM  

Student in Blue wrote:Hm. Maybe it's more accurate and simpler to just think of culture as the plurality of individual identities.

That's been my premise.

Also I don't think it is a rare person who acts out of bounds set by their identity & environment; I think it is a rare circumstance that requires it.

There are still multiple solutions within the boundary conditions; this is where free will exists.

Blogger Rusty Fife February 24, 2016 2:01 PM  

Rhetoric Man wrote:Yet, the modern American male in general has been in steady masculine decline, so how will they be able muster up the testosterone to actually pick up knives and guns to kill non-whites, especially when it has been repeated that MPAI? Are those white males who actually have the guts and balls to go out in a blaze of glory have the moxie to pull it off over several years? Are they THAT alienated to engage in civil war? WILL they become that alienated to the point there will be a bloody showdown?

There were 2.3million iraq/Afghanistan veterans as of 2011. I'll estimate 3million now.

It only takes one Sergeant to lead a death squad.

Blogger skiballa February 24, 2016 2:02 PM  

@164

Rhetoric Man, that whole description describes only a limited range of New Englanders, and very few within the I-95 corridor.

Anonymous Jack Amok February 24, 2016 2:05 PM  

Thanks Nate. By 'best' I did mean 'least worst' because I agree the good options aren't very plausible. Also that short term pain is needed for long term gain.

I'm less optimistic about a breakup working out - I think North and South and West will fight each other whenever we aren't yoked together, and we're all too good at killing for that to work out.

But, certainly what we have now ain't gonna work for mu he longer

Blogger Rusty Fife February 24, 2016 2:05 PM  

Among the confounding problems for the German government is that they likely trained all the arsonists, who are burning down refugee centers now, in 3G warfare.

Infantry is where maladapted white guys go to grow up.

Anonymous Utopian Planter Cuck February 24, 2016 2:09 PM  

The South for the Southrons.

Actually, it's the South for the Negroes, and has been since 1965. One need only read a demographics map.

Blogger Student in Blue February 24, 2016 2:15 PM  

There are regions of the United States, each with their own society. Collectively, they generally refer to themselves as Americans who live [x] and are [y].

Exactly, there is not an one American monosociety... and not one monoculture. America is NOT a homogeneous state which was your original point.

That’s regionalism, which is inherent in any society. Does not blur the fact there are shared national traits between the South and New England amongst its citizens as a nation. Love guns? Yep. Love whiskey? Yep. Love football? Yep. Love limited government? Yep.

The original point was having exactly the same culture, not just shared national traits.

Did shared national traits keep the American colonies from revolting? Of course not.

Yes. But that position (removal) is politically untenable. It’s not even a realistic option, especially given the overall status of today’s white males.[...] Yet, the modern American male in general has been in steady masculine decline, so how will they be able muster up the testosterone to actually pick up knives and guns to kill non-whites, especially when it has been repeated that MPAI?

1) It's not politically untenable because we've already pretty successfully did it in the past, and the conversation is finally shifting so that deportation of illegals is finally no longer taboo

2) It's not "race war now" what's being feared, but either slow genocide, another bloody civil war, or outright banditry or despotism. Basically what NORMALLY happens when an empire collapses.

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Blogger Student in Blue February 24, 2016 2:21 PM  

@Rusty Fife
Also I don't think it is a rare person who acts out of bounds set by their identity & environment; I think it is a rare circumstance that reuires it.

That's closer to the position I was thinking than how I expressed it.

Blogger skiballa February 24, 2016 2:23 PM  

To expand on my previous post, the red parts are mostly good (this would be Victoria), everywhere else, meh.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5f/New_England_ancestry_by_county_-_updated.png


Cultural inheritance is obvious here if you're familiar with the modern natives of these areas.

Blogger Scott6584 February 24, 2016 2:27 PM  

Well said. But Cruz wasn't even my first choice. Unlike the Oneitis stricken manosphere, I cycled through several guys who have proven they will fight, starting with Walker, who had the balls to take on the unions in Wisconsin and win three times. My second choice was Perry, who started off badly in Texas, but learned over time. He proudly poached companies from other states, and brings them back to limited government Texas. Cruz was a fallback candidate for me because he also fights.

But the reality is that the entire political system is tired and worn out. The Democrats tried for a personality to save America 8 years ago. Now the Republicans are doing the same thing.

People want a quick fix. It is too much work to take back the country and install a true limited government based on founding principles. People on both sides of the aisle are looking for a Savior, not a President. It is just the reality of what America has become.

You see it in Vox Day's writing when he refers to Trump as the best chance. It is the appeal of finding a savior. The best chance is to reject being governed and start governing ourselves again. Buy that would be to taxing, emotionally, intellectually, and physically. Hence we get Obama then Trump. Two opposite sides of the same Savior Coin.

Blogger Young Heaving Bosoms of Confederacy February 24, 2016 2:32 PM  

Lovekraft wrote:Damn. The first two paragraphs are from Tiny Duck.

Try hovering over the comment number (if you're not on mobile), Lovekraft.

Blogger Scott6584 February 24, 2016 2:34 PM  

I'm not getting a damn thing. I realize and accept that.

Anonymous Ezekiel Cassandros February 24, 2016 2:38 PM  

Young Heaving Bosoms of Confederacy wrote:Try hovering over the comment number (if you're not on mobile), Lovekraft.

And on mobile you can just tap on the comment number like I just did.

Blogger Scott6584 February 24, 2016 2:40 PM  

I'm not getting a damn thing. I realize and accept that.

Blogger FALPhil February 24, 2016 2:49 PM  

@170

Actually, it's the South for the Negroes, and has been since 1965. One need only read a demographics map.

See the map here

Blogger Student in Blue February 24, 2016 2:53 PM  

You see it in Vox Day's writing when he refers to Trump as the best chance. It is the appeal of finding a savior. The best chance is to reject being governed and start governing ourselves again. Buy that would be to taxing, emotionally, intellectually, and physically.

So... your argument is that Vox is just intellectually lazy?

Have you also not been hearing the "Cruz is the anointed one" spiel?

Blogger Mercy Vetsel February 24, 2016 2:53 PM  

110 -> 113. bob k. mando. "who gave us the 2016 Ryan budget"

And you think that was Cruz? Okay, next. Any ilk who have been paying attention to the battles Cruz has been waging on our behalf and still prefer Trump over Cruz.

115. Lovekraft "doesn't automatically mean he's all talk."

Exactly. He's crapshoot, just like Rubio in 2008 and almost every other Republican EXCEPT a very short list of Senators that includes Cruz.

118. TS "Cruz is already bought and sold by vampire squid ie. Goldman Sack"

More fact-free idiocy. Bush, Rubio and Clinton get GS money, not Cruz.

I'm guessing you're unaware Cruz opposed the bank bailouts which Trump supported and which save GS billions via AIG.

Seriously, can anyone provide a factually informed case for Trump over Cruz that addresses the issues I raised?

135. Scott6584 "Bottom line: Trump has won"

May be true, but last chance for those of us holding out for a proven fighter is Super Tuesday, March 1st.

147. VD "Given the alternatives, yes."

I must have missed the problems you have with Cruz. Funny how evangelicals and libertarians are both upset that the guy fighting on their side is only 98% right so they go for the guy who believes in nothing.

The men are talking.

Oh, yeah. I'm new here and apparently haven't provided enough of my unusually lucid prose to clarify that it's Mr. Mercy Vetsel.

Blogger Nate February 24, 2016 3:16 PM  

"Actually, it's the South for the Negroes, and has been since 1965. One need only read a demographics map. "

Ok.

So stay away. We are all black here. All of us. OOGA BOOGA! OOOGA OOOGA BOOGA!

Stay up north yankee.

Blogger Were-Puppy February 24, 2016 3:26 PM  

@23 Nate

Hillary puts down bernie and is in the process of winning the nomination when she gets arrested.
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I'm sure xhe has a place to hide the body already picked out. But maybe they are holding off since xhe can simply be awarded thousands of delegates and not winning much of the primaries.

Trump vs Biden...in the the greatest most entertaining election season since Lincoln Douglas.
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That would be EPIC

Blogger Were-Puppy February 24, 2016 3:28 PM  

@26 John Wright
"The Dar al-Islam for the Muslims."

Here we disagree. The lands conquered by Muslims which were originally provinces of the Roman Empire must be reconquered, and the invaders expelled.
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We need to nominate this guy as Trumps VP

Blogger Scott6584 February 24, 2016 3:31 PM  

No. My argument is that America is too lazy to govern itself.

It is not about one man.

Blogger ray February 24, 2016 3:34 PM  

Trump's rise is due to many elements, most taking place behind the scenes and out of public (meaning your) knowledge. Despite having met Bono.

Pretending that The Wall is all that matters is willfully childish. Portraying Donnie as a savior or religious figure is equally stupid. Time's coming when you will need a religious figure. Good luck with the mockery.

Blogger bob k. mando February 24, 2016 3:39 PM  

182. Mercy Vetsel February 24, 2016 2:53
And you think that was Cruz?



Rubio is not a Natural Born Citizen, there has never been a definition of NBC which would apply to him. Cruz should not be but is, on technicality of the term of art defined in the 1790 Naturalization Act.

no principled person will vote for either for president or vp.

therefore, they are NOT who i'm talking about.

although there's a good chance Rubio is full on Hastert-pedophile-faggot-establishment as well.



182. Mercy Vetsel February 24, 2016 2:53 PM
Any ilk who have been paying attention



come back and talk to me when you start paying attention to the law.

300 million people in this country and you think there's a reason why the Republican party needs to run two Cubans, one of whom was a Canadian citizen until 2013 ( that'd be Cruz )?

there are all kinds of jobs Cruz would be fine for. he could head the Justice dept. he could replace Scalia. he could be the special counsel to investigate Hillary.

i wouldn't even mind if he was President pro tem of the Senate. i figure 3rd in line behind the Speaker of the House is plenty of safety margin. if the Pres / VP / Speaker all go down at the same time i'm pretty sure we've got WAY bigger problems than NBC status of the Senate leader.



182. Mercy Vetsel February 24, 2016 2:53 PM
More fact-free idiocy. Bush, Rubio and Clinton get GS money, not Cruz.



Cruz is married to a Goldman Sachs exec.


also, it's a bald faced lie to say that Cruz hasn't received any GS money:
http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/summary.php?cid=N00033085

funny how those things slipped right by you.



182. Mercy Vetsel February 24, 2016 2:53 PM
Seriously, can anyone provide a factually informed case for Trump over Cruz that addresses the issues I raised?



why would we bother?

you didn't say anything we didn't already know.

Blogger Scott6584 February 24, 2016 3:39 PM  

Even if it were true that Cruz was anointed, it doesn't follow that now is his tume, speaking strictly from a Biblical POV. Moses and David were both "annointed", and they both had to wait years and years before ascending to leadership.

But setting aside that, I hardly think a Mormon has any revelation concerning the annointed ones of God. And I am guessing you are talking about Glenn Beck - I'very seen it reported he called Cruz annointed, but since I don't listen to him, I cannot speak authoritatively.

But just to continue on the whole annointed shtick from a religious POV. God doesn't relate to man in the new testament the same way as he does in the old testament. So I don't know how invoking old testament guidelines applies. Also, the USA is not God's chosen priple, so I still don't see how it applies.

Blogger Scott6584 February 24, 2016 3:43 PM  

Even if it were true that Cruz was anointed, it doesn't follow that now is his tume, speaking strictly from a Biblical POV. Moses and David were both "annointed", and they both had to wait years and years before ascending to leadership.

But setting aside that, I hardly think a Mormon has any revelation concerning the annointed ones of God. And I am guessing you are talking about Glenn Beck - I'very seen it reported he called Cruz annointed, but since I don't listen to him, I cannot speak authoritatively.

But just to continue on the whole annointed shtick from a religious POV. God doesn't relate to man in the new testament the same way as he does in the old testament. So I don't know how invoking old testament guidelines applies. Also, the USA is not God's chosen priple, so I still don't see how it applies.

Blogger Scott6584 February 24, 2016 3:43 PM  

No. My argument is that America is too lazy to govern itself.

It is not about one man.

Blogger praetorian February 24, 2016 3:44 PM  

Ok.

So stay away. We are all black here.


Detroit, Southside Chicago, Philly: you have to go back.

Blogger bob k. mando February 24, 2016 3:46 PM  

185. Were-Puppy February 24, 2016 3:28 PM
We need to nominate this guy as Trumps VP



the United States is not ( yet ) a part of the Holy Roman Empire.

there is no more reason for us to fight battles for the RCC than there is for us to fight for Israel.

especially when Pope Francis is acting as a 5th columnist for the immivasion rather than demanding Crusade himself, as a good Christian would.


i'm not opposed to helping the Christian communities which Obama is destroying ( and for which we are thus partly responsible ) ... but doing it for the RCC? no.

Blogger Nate February 24, 2016 3:51 PM  

"Cruz is married to a Goldman Sachs exec."

Point of fact. She's an account exec on leave. They met when they were both working for Dubya and married I believe before she got her goldman administration parachute.

She has no influence at Goldman.

There are plenty of great ways to knock Cruz. This is possibly the dumbest though.

Blogger Nate February 24, 2016 3:52 PM  

and anyone that thinks Goldman Sachs won't influence President Trump is delusional.

Blogger praetorian February 24, 2016 3:53 PM  

My argument is that America is too lazy to govern itself.

There is no America.

Blogger Student in Blue February 24, 2016 4:00 PM  

@Scott6584
No. My argument is that America is too lazy to govern itself.

Then, 'rejecting being governed and start governing ourselves again' is not the best chance, because it is not a chance at all.

(Cruz's anointed shtick)

I only brought this up because you were equating the Trump fervor with Obama fever, as if this is a trick only those two bad, bad men have done.

Blogger bob k. mando February 24, 2016 4:02 PM  

195. Nate February 24, 2016 3:52 PM
and anyone that thinks Goldman Sachs won't influence President Trump is delusional.



i'm pretty sure no one has ever made that assertion. Trump brags about being a "deal maker" after all.

i'm not defending Trump's integrity, i'm attacking the absurdity of asserting that the Vampire Squid has made no contributions to or has any influence with Ted Cruz.

because that's not delusional, it's just stupid ignorance.

query: will President Ted Cruz direct his AG to investigate and prosecute Goldman for their malfeasance in the 2008 meltdown?

while his wife works there?

yes or no?

Blogger Were-Puppy February 24, 2016 4:05 PM  

@48 SouthRon

You're post reminded me of this song

Southern Ways

Blogger Were-Puppy February 24, 2016 4:19 PM  

@74 t.c.

Out of general curiosity, and piggybacking on Chris Yost's query at the beginning of the thread, when it comes to nationalism in America, Vox, I know you are in support of repatriating immigrants, but how far back do you go? I'm not arguing, I'm really curious and since I don't come here often or post often, I'm sure I've missed your explanation elsewhere. Is it just non-Caucasian immigrants? Immigrants going back a few decades? Just immigrants who won't support certain American ideals? Like, if you were in charge today and given free rein, what would be your specifics? Thanks for the info!
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Not to speak for VD, but there is a good bit of information about all of this in his book Cuckservative.

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