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Friday, February 19, 2016

Trump drives the narrative

A conversation about the way Donald Trump is forcing the cuckservatives at National Review and elsewhere to confront their failures.


AN: "I never thought I'd see the day. NRO is actually admitting that the Iraq war by Dubya was a mistake. Trump nailed it again, no wonder they hate him so much."

VD: Exactly.

AN: He's now driving the narrative, what a huge shift.

VD: That's all it took. Instead we had to listen to those pussies telling us surrender was inevitable for 20 years.

AN: They really are cowardly, that's what Trump has exposed and I still get a chuckle out of Bill Kristol being mad that there aren't any strong leaders amongst the cucks to face him. Dude, they are cucks for a reason.

VD: Exactly. If they were strong leaders, they wouldn't be cuckservatives in the first place.

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Blogger JaimeInTexas February 19, 2016 11:38 AM  

I am very slightly leaning Trump. I still do not know what I am going to do. I do not like any of them. It may come to simply, screw the GOP. I do not know. They all are warmongers. Trump is only slightly better. Is he a hollow note on immigration? Probably. Trump comments on Apple must do what told by the guv'mint does not help.

Anonymous March Madness February 19, 2016 11:44 AM  

I'm doing some mindless work today and have Glen Cuck on in the background. Cuck is completely in the tank for Cruz and spent a whole segment attacking Trump, but all he could really say was "Trump is a liar".

Fuck you Glen Cuck you MSM butt-plug.

Blogger Blackburn #0040 February 19, 2016 11:47 AM  

As the gentleman from Iowa had on his sign.

Trump 2016
Because Fuck You!

Anybody else think it will be Trump/Sanders as independents after both get screwed in brokered conventions? At least with Sanders you get the anti vampire squid / anti war thing, otherwise he's a fruit loop.

Anonymous The OASF February 19, 2016 11:52 AM  

Does "PonTHIEF" meet effective rhetorical standards for "Pontiff?" Opinions? I was asked but wasn't sure what to think. Thanks.

Anonymous johnc February 19, 2016 11:55 AM  

It really shows the dearth of "natural leadership" we have in US politics (and the Church). We could almost solve the problems overnight with the combo of high IQ + alpha male + strong virtue.

I hate how the Republicans are always carried along by the narrative set by their opponents.

Blogger CarpeOro February 19, 2016 11:56 AM  

People ask me what I think of Trump, I reply "In the country of the blind, the one-eyed man is king. It doesn't matter if he is only half right when all his opponents are even less."

OpenID sigbouncer February 19, 2016 12:05 PM  

I have been voting for and writing in candidates (Buchanan, Nader, Ron Paul) for decades now who are opposed to Military Keynesianism. By that (MK), "I mean the mistaken belief that public policies focused on frequent wars, huge expenditures on weapons and munitions, and large standing armies can indefinitely sustain a wealthy capitalist economy. The opposite is actually true." This all by Chalmers Johnson definition.

So here's to hoping that Trump will be the first one who doesn't support the war party to get in. I'm still very skeptical that Trump won't be robbed out of the nomination in one way or another. But I will always be a supporter of those "Walk softly but carry a big stick" guys of the Teddy Roosevelt ideology. Just another thing to like about Trump for my money.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr February 19, 2016 12:15 PM  

Part of being a serious leader is learning from the mistakes of others. I distinctly recall Dr. Pournelle opposing the Iraq campaign from the outset. My own opinion was that the initial campaign could be justified on national security grounds (specifically, denying Al Quaeda a potential base of operations with known chemical warfare capability), but the aftermath was VERY badly botched.

In retrospect, it's clear that the Bush administration had bought into the notion that democracy is instinctive. Which implied that they could go in, smash the Baathist regime, and the natural democratic instincts of the Iraqi people would do the rest. Home by Christmas of 2003.

This proved not to be the case. Democracy is NOT an instinct. Letting a corrupt "opposition" argue about the government is NOT a good idea. And tossing the leadership of the Iraqi army onto the unemployment rolls was NOT a good idea.

A smart solution would have been to go in. When you do, very specifically state that this is a fight with Saddam Hussein and his inner circle - any Iraqi regular units that remain in barracks will not be targeted.

Once you depose the old regime, don't let the locals wrangle, ISSUE them a provisional constitution, the way that MacArthur did in Japan. This establishes a local government quickly. Then retire the senior army leadership (I'm informed that they expected this as part of a regime change), but with a band and a pension.

Then get out of Dodge. At most, we want a naval and air base at Basra.

In particular, do not, under ANY circumstances, get involved in a ground counterinsurgency campaign. This is a sure-fire loser, because of the institutional xenophobia of the U.S. Army and their willingness to do ALL the fighting...and the known 36-month limit on the willingness to fight of the American electorate.

As for Trump, he needs to overcome that desire to get nasty when he should be coldly professional. If he overcomes that, he can stomp the Democrats into the ground.

Blogger VD February 19, 2016 12:19 PM  

Does "PonTHIEF" meet effective rhetorical standards for "Pontiff?" Opinions? I was asked but wasn't sure what to think. Thanks.

No. Too obscure, too hard to read, too hard to say.

Anonymous Jerome Horowitz February 19, 2016 12:21 PM  

If I am forced to watch a clown show. I at least, want the biggest clown in the show.

Blogger Sheila4g February 19, 2016 12:22 PM  

I love his fearlessness in confronting every damned lie and narrative we've been fed. I don't always agree with his solutions, but he definitely seems to be a work in progress, refining his positions as he gets more information (from his staffer from Sessions, it appears).

For a while I thought he would win the GOP nomination even by their twisted rules; now it seems they're determined to burn their own house down and I'm hoping he'll run as an independent, regardless of the consequences. No matter who "wins," the crash is coming.

Anonymous The OASF February 19, 2016 12:26 PM  

OK great I agree. I thought "Thief" was too vague for the less informed to "get it." His argument was that open borders advocating could be directly tied to thievery and its equivalent in sin.

Blogger Gaiseric February 19, 2016 12:40 PM  

JaimeInTexas wrote:I am very slightly leaning Trump. I still do not know what I am going to do. I do not like any of them. It may come to simply, screw the GOP. I do not know. They all are warmongers. Trump is only slightly better. Is he a hollow note on immigration? Probably. Trump comments on Apple must do what told by the guv'mint does not help.
I like about half of what Trump says and telegraphs that he'll likely do, and am wary and leery of the rest. I like about half of what Cruz says and telegraphs that he'll do, and am wary and leery of the rest.

I hate everyone else. Choosing between two politicians; both of whom are far from perfect, but both of whom look a helluva lot better than anyone else I've seen run for office since before I was old enough to vote, is a choice I'll happily take. I guess I've got a few weeks before the primary in my state to decide.

Blogger Gaiseric February 19, 2016 12:44 PM  

Napoleon 12pdr wrote:Once you depose the old regime, don't let the locals wrangle, ISSUE them a provisional constitution, the way that MacArthur did in Japan. This establishes a local government quickly. Then retire the senior army leadership (I'm informed that they expected this as part of a regime change), but with a band and a pension.

Then get out of Dodge. At most, we want a naval and air base at Basra.

That's where you lose me. Assuming for the same of argument that a case can be made for us to have been involved militarily there at all—which is actually a really bad assumption, but I'll accept it as a controlled variable for purposes of this discussion—then you go take out the opposition, and then you just leave. Period.

Why engage in quarter-assed nation building and assume that it's better than the half-assed nation building that we actually did? We owe what's left of Iraq precisely nothing. They can stand or fall on their own merits, and in the meantime, they become an object lesson for the next clown-car tin pot generalissimo to think about when tweaking us for profit crosses his mind.

Anonymous fish February 19, 2016 12:59 PM  

It may come to simply, screw the GOP.

He's spared us from a ¡Jeb 2016! that's enough for me at the moment!

Anonymous Philalethes February 19, 2016 1:01 PM  

Trump comments on Apple must do what told by the guv'mint does not help.

I've been enjoying Trump's very refreshing style and bluntness, but this time he's lost me. If he's smart enough to see that the US was lied into invading Iraq, why can't he see what's going on here? Of course, nobody's ever said he's a deep thinker. Clearly he doesn't understand the issue. I don't know what it would take for him to "get" its relevance to his populist message.

For my part, when I first heard about the big brouhaha over Apple's refusal to bend the knee before the FBI, my first thought was, Hmm, beginning to look like San Bernardino was maybe a false-flag? Such a perfect "opportunity to do things you think you could not do before." (Rahm Emanuel)

As Rich Mogull writes in Macworld:

Make no mistake: This is unprecedented, and the situation was deliberately engineered by the FBI and Department of Justice to force a showdown that could define limits our civil rights for generations to come. This is an issue with far-reaching implications well beyond a single phone, a single case, or even Apple itself.

As a career security professional, this case has chilling implications.


John Gruber's Daring Fireball blog has good coverage of the issue from the tech perspective, with links to numerous articles (e.g. "No, Apple Has Not Unlocked 70 iPhones for Law Enforcement"). Gruber's pretty much the world's #1 Apple Fanboi, and where I go to keep up with Apple and Apple-related tech news. Politically he's a party-line Leftist / SJW / Philadelphia Tribesman, but fortunately he doesn't stray into the world at large often, and I just ignore his paeans to Obama, etc. I'm guessing he'll probably write his own essay summing up the subject within the next day or two, so worth checking back.

Ironically, it seems the only major tech player so far to stand unequivocally with Apple is... Jack Dorsey and Twitter. Meanwhile, lukewarm hedging from Google (we all know Eric Schmidt's views on privacy) and Microsoft.

Funny how specific issues often don't line up with the purported stances of the factions. Here, for instance, it's leftists standing up for individual rights and freedom against ever-encroaching totalitarianism, while I'm already seeing voices on the "Alt-Right" – i.e. the most enthusiastic Trump supporters in the above-average IQ demographic  – falling right in line with the government's cry that the rules should be bent (just this one time, of course!) because terrorists. How quickly they forget – that, for instance, the PATRIOT Act was already written and ready to go before 9-11-01.

The comedy staggers on.

Blogger Alexander Thompson February 19, 2016 1:13 PM  

I had to shut off Limbaugh. He's jumping on the "Trump is a liberal" bandwagon because he won't pledge loyalty to that dullard Bush. One night in the White House for a lifetime of loyalty. Whores...

Blogger Jack Ward February 19, 2016 1:14 PM  

listened a bit to Limbaugh today. I used to thing the guy walked on water. These days I would shed no tears if he sank to the bottom. What a tool. My opinion on him changed drastically back when, years ago, he was saying there were no real conservative candidates that election cycle. I screamed at the radio some expletives and mentioned what about Ron Paul? He has turned into a huge embarrassment for the conservative right.
Bought and sold.

Blogger Fatherless February 19, 2016 1:19 PM  

I thought that was my slogan!

Blogger YIH February 19, 2016 1:24 PM  

@Philalethes:
I'm about as much of an Apple fan as Vox.
That said, what the feds are trying to do to them is ridiculous. Denninger points out:
There is simply no authority for the FBI or any other organ of the government to compel the company to make anything. They can compel the firm to hand over something the company possesses under due process of law but in this case the operating system version they wish to obtain does not exist.
They're trying to force Apple to rewrite iOS to decrypt the San Bernadino shooter's iPhone.

Blogger JaimeInTexas February 19, 2016 1:24 PM  

@8. Napoleon 12pdr

"My own opinion was that the initial campaign could be justified on national security grounds (specifically, denying Al Quaeda a potential base of operations ..."

Another unfortunate lie that was widely disseminated at the time and addressed by many non-MSM.

OpenID b1bae96e-6447-11e3-b6bb-000f20980440 February 19, 2016 1:25 PM  

Was it explained to Trump that the judge isn't ordering Apple to look up a pw in its system, that the judge is literally ordering that Apple retask its engineers to work for the government (without compensation, and to the determent of Apple's security/marketing policy)?

I mean the guy is busy, he doesn't exactly have time to learn the ins and outs of everything. Its the Tom Cotton's of the world that have presumably spent more than 12 seconds looking at the situation before making a snap judgment and then do more than issue a throwaway sound bite on it that are troubling.

Will Best

Blogger Mr.MantraMan February 19, 2016 1:31 PM  

My WAG is that today Rush is leading the Cuckservatives back into a trap, he has been bellowing about Trumps walkback

Blogger Anchorman February 19, 2016 1:32 PM  

Did NR (or NRO) explain why they thought the Iraq War was a mistake?

There are a lot of reasons to make that conclusion, but some conclusions signal a positive direction in thinking and some are just boilerplate nuttery.

NR shifting to Lefty world or more aligned with Lefty world vs NR shaking cobwebs from their collective heads are two different things.

Anonymous johnc February 19, 2016 1:51 PM  

If Apple has the ability to decrypt the device then they're doubly wrong in this case. First, because they hold a key to decrypt anybody's device, which they shouldn't, and second because they refuse to do it in spite of court order regarding someone who is clearly a criminal.

If they don't have the ability, then the discussion is arguing strawmen points.

Blogger BunE22 February 19, 2016 2:07 PM  

I saw a segment on the Apple thing before. They said Apple has helped the FBI in the past by cracking phones particularly in cases regarding the exploitation of children.

There is currently another case against Apple in NY, a drug case, and Apple is refusing to crack the encryption as with the CA terrorist case. Apple claims that because Ed Snowden revealed how the NSA is spying, they are now defending privacy.

Sounds like a PR stunt to me.

Anonymous 11B February 19, 2016 2:07 PM  

I am very slightly leaning Trump. I still do not know what I am going to do.

From my perspective Trump is the only choice. And that is because of his stance on immigration, both illegal and legal. Like anyone running for office there is no guarantee the man will do what he promises once he is elected. But for me immigration, aka demographic change, is the only issue. The other issues, outside of trade which Trump is also good, are really far behind.

I know others disagree. I hear Rush callers daily attacking Trump over his support or partial support for Obamacare. They attack him for not being conservative enough. The list goes on. But keep this in mind. The continued mass immivasion of third world peoples into the USA, and Europe BTW, are an existential threat to our civilization.

You can choose tax rates that are too high or too low. You can choose to waste money on the F-35. You can choose to have government involved too much or too little in the economy. All of which are reversible after a period of time. Like prohibition, if time shows that the policy is not working, it can be reversed.

Demographic change is much, much harder to reverse if it is even possible to do so. Consider the fate of Poland and the other Warsaw Pact members. They went through 40 plus years of communist rule. That's obamacare on steroids. Yet once they threw off the shackles, they had their countries back and they were full of Poles, Hungarians, etc.

Now if we in the West keep up with this disastrous demographic change, we might find after 40 plus years that we no longer have a country. It will have been repopulated with alien people and cultures. How would Poles feel today if instead of trying to unwind forty plus years of communist rule, they found that 40% of their population were now hostile aliens?

Therefore, whatever your hesitations are on Trump, you must understand that he appears to be the best on the single most important issue. I cannot guarantee he will follow through. But I am sure Bush, Hillary, Sanders, Rubio and even Cruz will not only do anything to slow down demographic change, they will facilitate and possibly speed it up.

Since at least 1992 the GOP has had Pat Buchanan warning us on immigration. The GOP dismissed him because he wasn't pro-Israel enough. Tom Tancredo tried to run on immigration. He got no where. No Trump is sounding the alert, possibly too late, and people are nipping at his heels for not being conservative enough, or for once having supported abortion. This time we can't afford to nitpick. Immigration has to be the one and only issue. I would be glad to support any other candidate if they were as forceful on this issue.

Does anyone not think we would be better off today if we had followed Buchanan's advice on immigration and trade in 1992? Please don't keep putting off immigration over other lesser issues. We are reaching the point where we will no longer be able to take action even if we wanted to. Maybe we are already there. But whomever you support, it should be based upon immigration, immigration with trade being a solid, but distant second.

Anonymous Dedicating Ruckus February 19, 2016 2:10 PM  

As I understand the matter, 1. Apple does not have the ability to decrypt the device, but 2. the judge is ordering them to create a software tool that will bypass its anti-brute-force protections (disk is wiped after 10 false attempts) and allow the FBI to attempt brute-forcing the key. It's not entirely clear that Apple has the ability to do that, either, but it's also not entirely clear that they don't.

In any case, the whole issue is a red herring; anyone who wants security that is expected to be bulletproof against US law enforcement will presumably use products not created by a US company. If USG thinks they're ever getting rid of GPG, OTR, OpenSSL, &c., they're delusional, and anyone who's smart enough to actually be a threat will be smart enough to find these things.

Blogger The Reactionary February 19, 2016 2:22 PM  

Try Poztiff.

Anonymous Philalethes February 19, 2016 2:25 PM  

@20 YIH:

I'm about as much of an Apple fan as Vox.

Yeah, I know Apple's not popular around here, which is part of why I took the time to write the above. I've been an Apple user exclusively since I got my first computer (a Mac Plus) in 1988, but I'm not exactly an Apple fan – just a person who's inclined to look for the best of everything. I think Apple's stuff is grossly overpriced – it's better than any alternative, but not that much better; but I can't argue with their freedom to charge what the market will bear so long as there's a vestigial free market. I wish somebody would give them some real competition – for Apple's sake as much as the "rest of us". The company has become incredibly arrogant, and what does pride goeth before?

They're trying to force Apple to rewrite iOS to decrypt the San Bernadino shooter's iPhone.

That's what they say, yes, but do you really believe it? What they're really after is to set a historical precedent that the government can demand access to anything and everything, that there can exist no form of encryption that keeps them out.

Some of the first comments on this situation pointed out that other governments –e.g. our dear friends in China – are watching closely to see what the US government will get away with here. Apparently iPhones sold in China are as impervious as those sold here, I assume because consumer demand there would not put up with Chinese people being unable to own the very iPhones they build. (Now that would be a real perk for the inside cadres of the CCP.) And now I see that NYT has removed the entire section about China from its story about Apple vs FBI. Gee, I wonder why? (And just btw, it's FBI vs Apple; Apple was minding its own business when the FBI attacked.)

Remember "Stroke of the pen. Law of the Land. Kinda cool." (Paul Begala, 1998)? That's what, well, scares me about Trump – not that any of the rest of them would be any better. If he's not sophisticated enough to understand the implications of this situation, what else will he not understand? Still, he's far and away preferable to any of the alternatives – truly a breath (almost a hurricane) of fresh air in American politics. I can't think of anybody comparable (i.e. that's gotten so far) in US history.

To pick up from an earlier thread, the stage between democracy and tyranny is... populism. The Left has it right on that score in their fear of Trump. Of course, they want to do the same themselves; they're just jealous that he might get there first.

@28

...anyone who's smart enough to actually be a threat will be smart enough to find these things.

Yes. It's like "gun control", which is supposed to prevent criminals from having guns, but (as everyone here should know by now?) really ensures that the government can do whatever it wants to the non-criminal populace. It's about the precedent, not the "terrace". I'm wondering now if the San Bernardino shooters were on psych meds? So convenient.

Anonymous coyote February 19, 2016 2:26 PM  

Pwnedtiff

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein February 19, 2016 2:35 PM  

@ #9 My own opinion was that the initial campaign could be justified on national security grounds (specifically, denying Al Quaeda a potential base of operations...

You lost me right there, Chief.

Al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein were mortal enemies.


Anonymous Dedicating Ruckus February 19, 2016 2:48 PM  

@30:

"That's what they say, yes, but do you really believe it? What they're really after is to set a historical precedent that the government can demand access to anything and everything, that there can exist no form of encryption that keeps them out."

"Yes. It's like "gun control", which is supposed to prevent criminals from having guns, but (as everyone here should know by now?) really ensures that the government can do whatever it wants to the non-criminal populace."

I think this is likely correct as regards their motives. However, it has the important caveat that the endgame they're attempting to go for is actually impossible.

Unless you get rid of general-purpose computers, you will always be able to encrypt things unbreakably. Unless you overturn the whole foundation of the modern networked economy, doing so will always be ubiquitous enough that any individual instance can blend into the background. And while these conditions may not be completely impossible, I have the strong feeling that any upheaval enormous enough to effect them will not leave USG in a strong enough place to try taking advantage.

You could argue that the intent isn't to make strong encryption completely unavailable, but merely obscure and difficult (as, say, PGP is today). But this is also pointless, because no matter how strong it is, using an encryption product with sufficient opsec to stymie USG requires intelligence and resourcefulness which will also certainly be sufficient to find one of the non-backdoored encryption products and use that.

I'm not clear on the likely long-term consequences here, but I am pretty sure that the obvious conspiratorial aim of USG — to get access to every communication at will — will not be realized, because you can't get there from here.

Blogger kudzu bob February 19, 2016 3:05 PM  

@8

My own opinion was that the initial campaign could be justified on national security grounds (specifically, denying Al Quaeda a potential base of operations with known chemical warfare capability

Tontabubbagoldstein is right. The Islamic Al Quaeda and and the secular Saddam hated each other. What lying neocon (but I repeat myself) managed to convince you otherwise?

Anonymous LastRedoubt February 19, 2016 3:13 PM  

@Philalethes

I think Ive stopped reading DF at least twice when Gruber wandered off the reservation too many articles in a row.

It's amazing that a guy who can give such insightful analysis to aspects of how apple is doing business differently than other computer companies (long term, willing to cannibalize their own sales, not resting on laurels, maintaining institutional and low-level knowledge) just can't apply that to the greater world outside of the computer business.

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein February 19, 2016 3:22 PM  

The whole Iraq deal went back to Saddam asking the Bush I administration for and receiving permission to invade Kuwait. Hussein had issues with the Kuwaitis oil drilling practices as well as some personal animosity with the Emir related to debts incurred during Iraq's (American supported) war with Iran. Bush yanked the rug out and launched Desert Storm. Reason being, the Saudis and the Israelis were concerned over Hussein's ambitions to become a pan-Arabic leader such as G. A. Nasser...or to go back a little further, Nebuchadnezzar. It was NOT about Hussein gaining control over "the oil supply", as the only reason he would have wanted that, would be to SELL IT TO US. Nor was it about Hussein becoming "THE NEXT HITLER", because he had neither the Saar, Rhineland, or the Krupps industrial capability/potential.

Out of Gulf War I came no-fly zones, inspections, "WMDs"...but most of all, high oil prices...which was good for (wait for it) the Saudis, the Russians, the American oil industry (think Bushes, Cheneys, Halliburton...) Eventually Bush II finished the job his father started. Keep in mind, to them, high oil prices are a feature, not a bug.

The combination of fracking/shale oil production as well as a more stable Iraq, combined with Obama's agreement with Iran has created a perfect storm of oil prices circling the drain. The Iraqis and Iranians are delighted to be able to sell their oil at any price and the Saudis and Russians can't afford to cut production, so prices will continue to spiral down.

The chutzpah of our mainstream media and economists whining about the dangers of cheap oil is mind boggling.

Anonymous kzm247 February 19, 2016 3:46 PM  

Pat Buchanan echoes that in his recent article that the popularity of Trump is the repudiation of Bush Republicanism that brought:

declared that Trump’s rise represents a rejection of 25 years of Bush Republicanism— an ideology which Buchanan says has destroyed America’s once-great manufacturing core, flooded the country with low-skilled workers, and drained the treasury with ill-advised foreign adventures in the Middle East.

“In the GOP nomination race, the chickens of a quarter century of Bush Republicanism have come home to roost,” Buchanan told Breitbart. “Trump’s triumphs to date are due to his recognition of, and identification with, the Middle American revolt against Bush family ideology and policy, and what it has produced.”


Trump is a Rejection of 25 years of Bush Republicanism

Anonymous A.B. Prosper February 19, 2016 4:27 PM  

Guys, understand you will not find a single candidate in any party at any time who you can completely trust to do most of what you want or act in your benefit.

No one of them are fully trustworthy, it the nature of that game. Trump is the only one addressing the main issues and moving the Overton window in our direction

He also has a small chance of igniting a restoration. On those grounds since right now as Winston Churchill of said its better to jaw jaw than to war war, you vote for what you have not necessarily what you want. (yes that's Rumsfeld)

Also enough of the paranoid rugged individualism OK ?

Learn to cooperate in groups for common goals, it can be in a military fashion, an ad hoc fashion, a corporation, party a cadre whatever.

The future doesn't belong to rugged individualists and their nuclear families, it belongs to groups acting for common goals.

This inability to act together is why the Globalists and Cathedral run rings around us, they act to common goals even if they have machine gun Kulaks to get there, we can't even operate in teams. In some respects we are more atomized and less trusting than an Arab army.

Europe is a bit ahead of us in the act together but the strength that collective action gives them but that makes them vulnerable to group think too. We need best of both worlds,

Understand that the society you are trying to build whether its Right/White/Better or a new Reconquista and/or maybe a Christendom 2.0 isn't going to be Ayn Rand paradise. Its going to be men giving orders, expecting them to be followed and punishing those who don't.

In time custom will take over or reassert itself but till then, freedom is second to a healthy society.

And yes I know someone will chime in maybe not here "but that makes us just like them." blah blah. Well yeah. We aren't that different being two sides of the same coin, them an attempt at order than is based on many falsehoods about human nature and ours an attempt at order based on many truths about human nature and a few falsehoods.

For now this is political and with luck and the grace of God it can stay that way but if it doesn't?

In any case as Ben Franklin said "We must hang together or we shall all hang separately ."

Anonymous aegis-1080 February 19, 2016 4:38 PM  

Trump got the Vatican to back off:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/02/19/vatican-pope-on-trump-not-meant-as-a-personal-attack-or-an-instruction-on-how-to-vote/

This is amazing. Trump told the vicar of Christ on Earth that if ISIS invaded the Vatican, he would want President Trump, and that the Vatican has those huge walls for a reason....and the Vatican backed off.

Blogger Ataraxia February 19, 2016 4:47 PM  

Well not it appears that Trump is calling for an Apple Boycott because the company isn't caving into the demands of the FBI. Are we still pretending Trump is the right guy for president?

Anonymous tublecane February 19, 2016 5:13 PM  

"NRO is actually admitting the Iraq war by Dubya was a mistake"

As I recall Buckley himself was against Iraq Part II. Not that it matters so much, as he had turned his magazine over to true blue neoconservatism.

Blogger SciVo February 19, 2016 5:17 PM  

The OASF wrote:Does "PonTHIEF" meet effective rhetorical standards for "Pontiff?" Opinions? I was asked but wasn't sure what to think. Thanks.

Already answered above, but it just makes me think of a certain scene from Jerry Maguire. Ineffective.

Anonymous BGKB February 19, 2016 5:26 PM  

At least with Sanders you get the anti vampire squid / anti war thing, otherwise he's a fruit loop

If Sanders is not vampire squid then I have been mistaking what people mean by it for years.

Does "PonTHIEF" meet effective rhetorical standards for "Pontiff?"

Aim for being recognizable by a drunk.

He's spared us from a ¡Jeb 2016! don't count him out until you see all the zeros give him support

Ironically, it seems the only major tech player so far to stand unequivocally with Apple is

pedos protecting their Epstein island pics. I don't want apple to give away keys but it is the guys affirmative action job work phone.

There is simply no authority for the FBI or any other organ of the government to compel the company to make anything

The EPA came up with woodstove standards higher than anything available on the market. I guess they thought white guys could just create miracles but affirmative action workers drag them down.

How to break a password of ObamaBlew86Pigs853CammelsAndDrewAPictureOfMOoHAMmAd!!!!!!!! in just 10 tries? Use a hammer in a pillowcase.

Blogger Stilicho February 19, 2016 5:32 PM  

@ OASF: Dope Francis

Anonymous tublecane February 19, 2016 5:34 PM  

@36-"Nor was it about Hussein becoming "THE NEXT HITLER", because he had neither the Saar, Rhineland, or the Krupps industrial capability/potential."

Hitler wasn't really HITLER, either. He didn't aim to conquer the world, or even all of Europe. The only well armed, modern army he managed to beat was France, and they folded like a house of cards.

Blogger Stilicho February 19, 2016 5:34 PM  

For the first time in my life I prayed for guidance on how to vote this morning. I think I have received what I asked for.

Blogger SciVo February 19, 2016 5:38 PM  

coyote wrote:Pwnedtiff

No. Too easily shortened to Pwntiff, which would make him sound cool. However, I believe there were some Pwntiffs in history; we could hold them up as an aspirational goal.

Blogger SciVo February 19, 2016 5:44 PM  

The Reactionary wrote:Try Poztiff.

I like it, but it won't work without a good definition on Urban Dictionary. People will think you're trying to say that the Pope is HIV+.

Blogger Young Heaving Bosoms of Confederacy February 19, 2016 6:04 PM  

Overheard at MPCdot.com:

Pope-a-dope.

Blogger Young Heaving Bosoms of Confederacy February 19, 2016 6:07 PM  

Pope on a rope. Pope Beergoggles. Pope Can't Even.

Blogger VD February 19, 2016 6:17 PM  

Well not it appears that Trump is calling for an Apple Boycott because the company isn't caving into the demands of the FBI. Are we still pretending Trump is the right guy for president?

Yes. You're out of date. It's not about the FBI and the government, it's about the American national interest. Apple is lined up with the globalists; Trump is attacking the enemy.

Blogger VD February 19, 2016 6:23 PM  

The correct thing for Apple to do is to examine the phone themselves, decide if there is anything that is dangerous or that the FBI needs to know, and then turn over the information if they make that determination. There is NOTHING, no matter of principle, that prevents Apple from doing that.

I don't trust the FBI, but I also don't have any regard for a corporation that is a government entity that thinks it is above the nation.

Anonymous Philalethes February 19, 2016 6:35 PM  

@40

Well not it appears that Trump is calling for an Apple Boycott because the company isn't caving into the demands of the FBI.

*Sigh* So it appears. A quick search finds all the Apple fan websites scratching their heads, noting that he (or his staff) was simultaneously tweeting from an iPhone (apparently it's since been announced they're switching to Android – i.e. Google, who really care about your privacy). And apparently the Trump campaign uses iPads to sell merchandise. Dumb.

So apparently now the security of the United States of America depends crucially on breaking the spirit of the most successful company in America (and, I believe, the world)? How does that fit in with Trump's call to make America prosperous again?

I find it difficult to believe that Trump really cares all that much personally about the issue. As I recall, a lot of his early appeal (to me anyway) was that he seemed to be enjoying himself, not taking the whole thing so seriously. That may have changed. Maybe he's realized that he actually has a chance of winning, and that he really wants it, and that's making him oh-so-slightly desperate to get a commanding lead asap. He doesn't seem very patient. So he's shooting from the hip, and saying the first thing that comes into his head, that looks like it might gain him a few points.

And this looks like an appeal to the reliably knee-jerk populist patriotism of the lumpenproletariat. Which Trump is not, however much he talks working class. He probably didn't have many votes in the Apple community anyway – though I expect there may have been some who were thinking about him but won't any more. In the wider tech community, where many understand the real significance of the issue, he looks like an idiot.

Which doesn't help with the huge project to awaken the tech community to the truth that socialism doesn't work. As @35 noted above, it's astonishing how people can be so smart about technical stuff, and so dumb about politics, economics, and social issues.

Are we still pretending Trump is the right guy for president?

What else you got? Dumb and dumber. Trump's a gamble, for sure – and this does not bode well – but the rest we know for sure will continue to destroy the country as fast as possible in full obedience to their owners/masters.

Otoh, if Trump flames out, I can forget about watching the news (well, here and other Alt-Right sites, Drudge, Breitbart) and get back to ignoring the whole spectacle as I was planning to do. Trump has made it more interesting than it probably actually is. Got other things to attend to.

Anonymous BGKB February 19, 2016 6:58 PM  

HilLIAry's getting desperate
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/02/17/hookers-4-hillary-offer-30-extra-minutes-to-nevada-customers-who-will-vote-for-clinton/

Anonymous Takin' a Look February 19, 2016 6:58 PM  

Trump, with his usual class and style, admits he shares a LOT with Bernie (((Red Diaper Baby))) Sanders.

Trump was testing the waters, Sanders was just trying to get issues visible.
Both have been knackered at the yuge amount of support they have from traditional *white America.

They will both destroy their respective parties, good, I'm waiting on the American Hitler. Since it is obvious TPTBs will do everything possible to stymie them both. I hope it blows up in the Cuckservatives' faces, that the Chamber of Commerce, Congress and Academicians among many others, get it good and hard, the traitors they are.

*I am not talking color or religion. I am talking about the patriotic creed of our country. The unspoken contract of work hard, plan well, help each other help ourselves etc.

Blogger Timmy3 February 19, 2016 7:28 PM  

The only thing we can be sure of is the successor President is unlikely to carry out the policies of the previous administration. Obama blew the Iraq War win by pulling out too soon. Obama also disposed libya former president Gaddafi without a succession plan. So don't do anything you'll regret. Or make it seem like it's not your fault. Everyone hates the current situation yet Obama shares no blame. How convenient.

Anonymous Philalethes February 19, 2016 7:43 PM  

Apple: Terrorist’s Apple ID Password Changed In Government Custody, Blocking Access

The Apple ID password linked to the iPhone belonging to one of the San Bernardino terrorists was changed less than 24 hours after the government took possession of the device, senior Apple executives said Friday. If that hadn’t happened, Apple said, a backup of the information the government was seeking may have been accessible...

The executives said the company had been in regular discussions with the government since early January, and that it proposed four different ways to recover the information the government is interested in without building a backdoor. One of those methods would have involved connecting the iPhone to a known Wi-Fi network.

Apple sent engineers to try that method, the executives said, but the experts were unable to do it. It was then that they discovered that the Apple ID password associated with the phone had been changed.


Iow, the FBI messed it up, and now they're making a big fuss about it so divert attention from their fumble. From what I know about the FBI, typical.

(The FBI claims this was done by someone at the San Bernardino Health Department.)

Yeah, right.

Had that password not been changed, the executives said, the government would not need to demand the company create a “backdoor” to access the iPhone used by Syed Rizwan Farook... Creating the backdoor access, the executives said, would put at risk the privacy of millions of users. It would not only serve to unlock one specific phone, they said, but create a sort of master key that could be used to access any number of devices. The government says the access being sought could only be used on this one phone.

Apparently the FBI knows more about how iOS encryption works than does Apple, who made it? I am neither expert in this subject, nor have I carefully read all the details of the story; I only know that the idea that such technology, once invented (it doesn't exist yet), will not be used "just this once" – even if everybody in the FBI, the Justice Department, Congress, and the Executive Branch were to line up and sign a pledge in blood in the name of the immortal souls most of them don't believe they have. Once it exists, even if only somewhere on the Apple campus, I have no doubt that Certain People will not hesitate to kill to get it.

I can almost remember when only the US had nuclear weapons. Of course, since we were the Good Guys, they would never be used for evil. (Never mind that the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki – the only two times such weapons have been used – are looking more and more questionable as the truth comes out 70 years later in bits and pieces as usual.) Then the USSR made them. Oops. Then Britain and France. Well, okay, they're the Good Guys too. But it wasn't going any further than that, no sir. Well, except Those Who Are Deserving should be allowed to have them, though we'll all pretend they don't. And now, of course, even North Korea has them. I have to laugh when I hear officials from the only nation that has ever used nuclear weapons – and has threatened to use them at least once since (Nixon toward the end of the war on Vietnam) – talking all holier than thou about how Iran – whose fledgling democratic government was destroyed by the US in 1953 – should not have the right to defend itself as well.

Apple has put a lot of time, energy, expertise and money into building the best encryption it can imagine – to please its customers, who value their privacy. Apple doesn't want to destroy all their good work and be another Robert Oppenheimer, bringing a new evil into the world. ("Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds." Oppenheimer was reminded of this line from the Bhagavad Gita while watching the first test at Trinity Site.)

Blogger Ataraxia February 19, 2016 7:50 PM  

"The correct thing for Apple to do is to examine the phone themselves...There is NOTHING, no matter of principle, that prevents Apple from doing that."

Well, if you believe in the true spirit of encryption then Apple shouldn't have the capability to examine the phone even if they wanted to. It's unwise imo for Trump to get into this fight. Apple may be doing a lot of things wrong but their position on privacy isn't one of them.

Anonymous Philalethes February 19, 2016 8:02 PM  

Do We Have a Right to Security?

The FBI wants this case to be about a single phone used by a single dead terrorist in San Bernadino to distract us from asking the real question. It will not stop at this one case, that isn’t how the law works. They are also teaming with legislators to make encrypted, secure devices and services illegal. That isn’t conspiracy theory, it is the stated position of the director of the FBI. Eventually they want systems to access any device or form of communications, at scale. As they already have with our phone system. Keep in mind that there is no way to limit this to consumer technologies, and it will have to apply to business systems as well, undermining corporate security.

So ignore all of that and ask yourself, do we have a right to security? To secure devices, communications, and services. Devices secure from criminals, foreign governments, and yes, even our own. And by extension, do we have a right to privacy? Since privacy without security is impossible.

Because that is what this fight is about, and there is no middle ground, mystery answer hiding in a research project, or compromise.


Trump has plenty of other issues; I don't know why he had to jump on this one so hard. It's put him in some pretty sleazy company – in fact, one of the dirtiest tentacles of the very Establishment he's supposedly campaigning against.

Anonymous Takin' a Look February 19, 2016 9:09 PM  

@ Philalethes

I think Trump intends to use this if elected.

Blogger JaimeInTexas February 19, 2016 9:11 PM  

My understanding is that the FBI wants a tool, or a backdoor, to defeat the brute force security.

Of course Apple can recompile a given version/revision of the iOS and download, or update, in a specific phone.

I do not like Apple either and regardless of their politics, they are doing what is right.

Blogger Lana J February 19, 2016 9:42 PM  

Timmy3 wrote:Obama blew the Iraq War win by pulling out too soon.

Incorrect. The entire Iraq War was blown when it was begun. Bush was an idiot for going in and it was always going to fall apart and turn into a tribal bloodbath. The people still pushing that narrative are either deluded or liars.

Blogger newanubis February 19, 2016 9:50 PM  

I don't care who coined it...that baby is spreadworthy!

Blogger newanubis February 19, 2016 9:57 PM  

A fleeting thought went through my head today that if trump were non-viable for any reason, my anger at the establishment is such that is consider backing the avowed socialist. Fwiw, I've been railing against the evils of socialism for 25 years or better. It was a shocker to even have a flicker of light on that abhorrent idea. And yes, I know there's a long history and embrace of such by the uniparty.

Anonymous Haxo Angmark February 19, 2016 10:10 PM  

no "mistakes" were made. Both Col. K and Sadaam tried to drop the petrodollar. In order to maintain the domestic Ponziconomy, which is based entirely on debt and monetization, this cannot be permitted. So both were taken down. Trump? Hopefully he'll terminally split and destroy the Republiscams. Then Whites will have a stark choice between accepting extermination at the hands of open-borders Judeo-globalists...or going to a politics by other means

Anonymous cincinnatus February 19, 2016 11:05 PM  

In other amusing news:

In S.C., Trump wins the Unreconstructed Reb vote. Carson and Kasich have the most liberal supporters on the other end. ThinkProgress "terrified".

Link

Anonymous O Trump There Thou Art! February 20, 2016 1:50 AM  

GOP Staff: The reason he's pullin' our pants down.

GOP Staff: Gonna paddle a little behind.

GOP Staff: Ain't gonna paddle it - gonna kick it, real hard.

GOP Staff: No, I believe he's gonna paddle it.

GOP Staff: I don't believe that's a proper characterization.

GOP Staff: Well, that's how I'd characterize it.

GOP Staff: I believe it's more of a kickin' sitcheyation.

Anonymous tublecane February 20, 2016 2:52 AM  

@52-"a corporation that is a government entity"

Since when is Apple a government entity? It's not even an NGO. It's a private profit-seeking entity.

Blogger VD February 20, 2016 6:42 AM  

Since when is Apple a government entity? It's not even an NGO. It's a private profit-seeking entity.

What do you think a corporation is, genius? What creates that entity?

Blogger Sevron February 20, 2016 10:49 AM  

If this is the FBI trying to cover up their gross incompetence (as alluded above, the password was changed by somebody in .gov), then do we still want Apple to crack the phone?

Anonymous Mr. Rational February 20, 2016 1:59 PM  

If the FBI needs the contents of the phone that badly, it can dis-assemble the device and get physical access to the memory chips.  It can use electron beams to erase the cells containing the failed-password counter.  But to do this, it requires physical access.

Demanding access from Apple is just about doing it wholesale, at a distance.

Blogger BunE22 February 20, 2016 2:53 PM  

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Blogger BunE22 February 20, 2016 2:56 PM  

What's the legality of the government coming up with their own software to bypass?

Under the constitution they are allowed to seize your papers, I think electronic data falls under papers, provided they have a warrant, which they do.

So if the FBI or some other gov agency can write code to bypass the password data wipe is that the way we want to go? I wouldn't be surprise if they already can and this is just a dog and pony show to make us think they can't. In the meantime Apple looks like the giant that stood up to government intrusion.

From what I've read the FBI has all the phone info that had been stored on the cloud, it's the most recent phone activity that hadn't been backed up yet that they are after now.

There's something hinky about this whole thing. I wish Trump hadn't involved himself.

Anonymous Philalethes February 20, 2016 4:46 PM  

What do you think a corporation is...?

A corporation is an artificial entity, a surrogate "person", created by the State – itself a figment of the human imagination, nothing but a shabby cloak of respectability draped over naked, brute force – which has (so its human creators believe) usurped the prerogative of the Creator in our "enlightened" modern world. Thus it is a blasphemy in its very conception.

The purpose of this soulless golem is to enable its operators to act in the world and amass as much profit as they are able, while avoiding responsibility for any unfortunate consequences of their actions. The common abbreviation "Inc." is short for "incorporated with limited liability". Thus is freedom separated from responsibility – or so we fondly imagine. Of course this is impossible, as any wise man understands; but the human capacity for self-delusion is apparently unlimited.

These days, of course, it is practically impossible to engage in any economic activity without becoming incorporated, and many, perhaps most, "corporations" are more-or-less honest and responsible in their activities. At least until they find themselves in a tight spot, whereupon the incorporation can come in very useful – at least for the short term. In the long term, we all must pay our bills, sooner or later.

If even a fraction of the energy human beings devote to avoiding responsibility – ultimately a futile endeavor anyway – were applied in constructive action, all (or nearly) our problems could be solved in quick order.

And this is how the State – the Golden Calf of the civilized world – has sucked us all into is maw, by appealing to human greed and cupidity. We are all now creatures, clients, wards of the State, which is why It can do what It wants with us.

Hand-wringing do-gooders often fuss about the need to "make corporations more responsible" – not realizing that this makes about as much sense as the middle-aged cat lady trying to turn her pets into vegetarians. "Responsible corporation" is an oxymoron.

In fact, the character of any corporation is entirely determined by the character of those who run it; a corporation, like a committee, does nothing, only human beings do things. Attempts to make a corporation "more responsible" are really attempts to persuade those human beings who run it to behave more ethically – in the face of constant temptation to do otherwise.

Apple is indeed a corporation, but so are all the other players in this game (including the government, and its agencies). Apple's competitors – Google, Microsoft – are playing it safe; they've never cared a whit for their customers' privacy. And yes, Apple is part of the globalist economic structure that is destroying this nation along with all others that stand in its way. But who isn't? Trump seems to have a hard-on for Apple exclusively, and I have to wonder why?

A while ago he said something about forcing Apple to build their stuff in this country – as if Apple were the only American corporation outsourcing its manufacturing. I remember when Macintosh computers were made here, in factories in the Bay Area and Texas, among other locations. Apple moved overseas when everybody moved overseas, in response to economic conditions which affected all American business, and still do. And were created by a government which has been repeatedly voted into office by the American people for decades.

I'm sure Apple would be glad to come home, but not while doing so would be suicide. For a corporation its size, Apple actually has a little humanity in it – unlike, say, Google, whose position on this issue was stated clearly by its CEO in 2009: "If you have something that you don't want anyone to know, maybe you shouldn't be doing it in the first place." So why doesn't Trump go after Google? Do they still have that "Don't be Evil" sign up someplace?

Anonymous tublecane February 24, 2016 7:01 AM  

@69-So you're saying every single corporation is a a "government entity" because they're incorporated by law? That's a pretty loose standard, and renders rather meaningless the distinction. I suppose me having the legal status of citizenship makes me a government entity, too. Who isn't a government entity, then? Guys living off the grid?

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