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Thursday, February 11, 2016

Two down, five to go

Christie and Carly are out of the running for the Republican nomination:
Chris Christie dropped out of the race for president on Wednesday afternoon, two hours after a rival candidate quit. Carly Fiorina, one of only two women in the U.S. presidential race, left her quixotic pursuit of the White House on Wednesday after a seventh-place New Hampshire primary finish in a field of eight candidates.

And Christie, the governor of New Jersey, soon followed suit after rumors of his campaign's demise swirled all day.

Spokeswoman Samantha Smith confirmed the news to the Associated Press, saying that Christie broke the news of his decision to staff at his campaign headquarters in Morristown, New Jersey, late in the afternoon.
Interesting that neither of them endorsed anyone. That either indicates that they think Trump has a chance or the GOPe hasn't settled on its anti-Trump replacement for Jeb Bush.

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Blogger Aeoli Pera February 11, 2016 4:57 AM  

From what Nate said about two competing GOP factions, it could also mean that they aren't sure which way the wind is blowing. Maybe the hidden hand doesn't have the grip strength it used to.

Anonymous That Would Be Telling February 11, 2016 5:44 AM  

or the GOPe hasn't settled on its anti-Trump replacement for Jeb Bush.

Well, their first option spectacularly flamed out in the pre-primary debate when he acted just a bit too mechanically, or alliteratively "robotic". I knew how bad this was when his NH campaign started physically attacking people dressed up as robots at campaign events.

That guy in a green parka? He was working for Scott Walker until a few hours before Walker ended his campaign, became Rubio's NH campaign manager and was therefore privy to the internal tracking polls which were rumored to show Rubio cratering after the debate. In other words, the robot theme was terminating his meal ticket with extreme prejudice, and he lost it.

Don't know where the GOPe might do going from here, but, hey, all their options are stupid so it's within their core competence. Their Great Hispanic Hope flamed out in a probably fatal way that'll not attract much more money, Kasich is said to have bet everything on New Hampshire and was crushed by a greater than 2:1 margin by Trump, the last of them is after Cruz by a hair and is none other than ¡Jeb! who at least has a lot more donor money for Mike Murphy to burn.

And that's it, Kasich, ¡Jeb!, or Rubio. All better suited for New Hampshire's more moderate Republican electorate, not clear any of them have much of a chance in South Carolina, where the most obvious outcome to predict is that the campaign effectively narrows to Trump and Cruz.

I suppose they could focus on keeping one of the three viable in case both Trump and Cruz falter or crater; we'll have a better idea in 10 days after the Republicans hold their's (the Dems vote a week later). As Wikipedia discusses, "Since its 1980 inception, the winner of the South Carolina primary has always become the eventual Republican National Convention nominee for that fall's general election, with one exception, the 2012 primary, in which eventual Republican nominee Mitt Romney finished second, behind winner Newt Gingrich (who would go on to suspend his campaign before that summer's convention began)."

(Could also be decisive for Hillary, if she fails to win once minority voters become a major factor, that's her normal path to victory unless her AOL login page ad bears exceptional fruit.... Or she can cheat better, but you have to know a lot of the Democratic party establishment that nominally supports her has got to be having 2nd thoughts, those super-delegates pledged to her did her squat in 2008 in the face of Saint Obama, but Sanders is a safer target for them to "override the will of the people". Once you move past the primaries, it's even harder to see a path to victory in November, sure, for example, Biden could come out of the convention as the nominee, but I don't see any outcome that doesn't suppress voting by one or more of its power bases.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr February 11, 2016 6:31 AM  

The Sub-primary for the Plutocrat standard-bearer is still underway. And I expect Fiorina's supporters to split between Trump and Cruz.

Blogger Rantor February 11, 2016 6:41 AM  

I am finding this race to be the most interesting of my life. Republican supporting conservatives are foaming at the mouth that Trump is a rabid socialist. They need to look in the mirror at their own rabid corporatist faces. One claiming Trump is a socialist because he is going to tell companies where their employees must work. These commentators are sputtering nonsense at rates not seen since excuse making for Obama in 2008. Lacking any understanding of history they forget the first century of America when tariffs where a major source of government income and aided in the development of the US as a major power. But it is no wonder that the establishment, which only desires cheap labor and maximum profit at the expense of the American worker hates the nationalist, job protecting Trump.

Trump talks to the need for medical reform, ending Obamacare, and establishing personal, portable insurance, health savings accounts that are life long, and a safety net for the poor. And he even mentions making the medical insurance industry compete in the marketplace. This does not sound like a socialist solution to me. We will see what is done should he become President.

Critics also seem to forget that Trump is not running for office as a dictator. Congress and the courts still have their say, and their constituencies to answer to.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan February 11, 2016 6:48 AM  

We will soon find out courtesy of the millions spent by the GOPe that Lord Jesus hates, hates that perfidious sinner Donald Trump and loves, loves the "one of us" godly like Ted Cruz.

I can match their shamelessness and probably raise it if I had the money, myself I would circulate a photoshop creation of Ted Cruz being DPed by a couple of South Florida Zionist oligarchs. Call this art piece "Dirty Grandpas from the shul."

Blogger Mr.MantraMan February 11, 2016 6:57 AM  

#4 FWIW I think the D race is just a little bit more interesting, where money and insanity meet. Every scolding SJW can be reminded of what the super delegates think of them.

Political Correctness is the operational art that hold the Democratic Looters Party together. Now imagine the DNC convention without Political Correctness. I would predict massive bloodshed by the end of day one. The GOP voters are delicate white grannies in comparison.

Blogger Chrom February 11, 2016 6:57 AM  

It's the Stay Puft Marshmallow Man.

I tried to think of the most harmless thing. Something I loved from my childhood. Something that could never ever possibly destroy us. Mr. Stay Puft!

We used to roast Stay Puft Marshmallows, on the fire at Camp Waconda.

Blogger Cataline Sergius February 11, 2016 7:05 AM  

That either indicates that they think Trump has a chance or the GOPe hasn't settled on its anti-Trump replacement for Jeb Bush.

I think they had decided on an anti-Trump. It was supposed to be Rubio.

However...Big winner (in New Hampshire) on the Republican side is of course Chris Christie. Who not only telegraphed his punch to Marco Rubio (effectively in the form of an actual telegraph) but got out a black marker and circled Rubio's nose on his actual face before reminding him a second time that that is exactly where he was going to punch him. However even Christie was surprised that the force of his blow was so staggering that Rubio started punching himself in the same spot.

Blogger Halifax Donair February 11, 2016 8:08 AM  

@2 Narco Lubio has a little more to worry about than robots. Think tigers and foam.

Anonymous farmer Tom February 11, 2016 8:12 AM  

The GOPe will eventually go to Trump, because he is after all, a big government statist, who will keep the status quo, supports big government run single payer healthcare, and touch back amnesty.

And besides, Cruz is a pussy, don't you know. Won't play along on big ethanol, won't play along on healthcare, and opposes women in selective service. He's obviously just another crazy right wing conservative.

Anonymous Haxo Angmark February 11, 2016 8:12 AM  

won't matter whom the Republiscams nominate. If Trump, the Judeo-globalist neo-conz desert to Mrs. Clinton. If non-Trump, the White Nationalists sit out the election ...like 2008/12, but in far larger numbers. The Dead Elephant party is all but buried. Mrs. Clinton will be 'Murka's last Prez

Blogger VD February 11, 2016 8:34 AM  

Haxo, your constant defeatism would be considerably more credible if you simply cut to the chase and killed yourself. Meanwhile, we will continue to ignore you.

Do you not realize that many of the readers here want the GOP to die? It is all that stands in the way of a genuine nationalist party.

Blogger VD February 11, 2016 8:36 AM  

Cruz is a pussy, don't you know. Won't play along on big ethanol, won't play along on healthcare, and opposes women in selective service. He's obviously just another crazy right wing conservative.

No, Cruz is a Goldman Sachs-owned Canadian whore. That's why no one with a brain believes him or takes him seriously.

And as I have repeatedly said, Trump is the only candidate who is good on the only issues that matter. At least we don't know where he stands on the banks, we know Cruz is owned by them.

Blogger Derrick Bonsell February 11, 2016 8:56 AM  

"Big ethanol." Lol, pardon me while I stop laughing.

Anyway Christie has deflected attacks on Trump at pretty much every debate. He may be keeping his options open by not endorsing Trump but he is angling for a role in Trump's cabinet.

Anonymous farmer Tom February 11, 2016 9:00 AM  

Vox, I really expect better arguments from you. Yeah, Cruz borrowed a million buck from Goldman, and his wife works there.

But I wonder how your golden haired playboy will respond if some of his banking friends decide to call in their loans unless they get what they want. Talk about owned by Wall Street?

Donald ' s Banking "friends"

OpenID paworldandtimes February 11, 2016 9:02 AM  

your constant defeatism would be considerably more credible if you simply cut to the chase and killed yourself

As a general rule, my default assumption is that all despair-monger commenters are shills, not depressives. They do evolved disinformation tactics. Shaming language doesn't work on us anymore. They can't persuade/misdirect us with logic and facts. But they can still try to demoralize us.

That's why the evolved troll is no longer "celebrate diversity, you racists", it's "yeah, diversity sucks but resisting it is hopeless."

PA

Blogger VD February 11, 2016 9:14 AM  

Vox, I really expect better arguments from you. Yeah, Cruz borrowed a million buck from Goldman, and his wife works there.

And he is owned by them. Completely.

I wonder how your golden haired playboy will respond if some of his banking friends decide to call in their loans unless they get what they want. Talk about owned by Wall Street?

Farmer, that's a remarkably stupid statement. Here's a question for you: do farmers whose businesses are in hock to the bank usually a) love or b) hate bankers?

There is a huge difference between a man who is forced to work with bankers to run his business and the man who goes to them to fund his political career.

Blogger Josh February 11, 2016 9:18 AM  

I think Trump has at least a hundred million in loans from Deutsche Bank, which means he is LITERALLY OWNED BY NAZI BANKS.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr February 11, 2016 9:23 AM  

Josh, if Trump is owned by Nazi banks, do we all get spiffy Hugo Boss uniforms? And our choice of high-quality pocket pistols as a sidearm? :-)

Anonymous Kevin February 11, 2016 9:24 AM  

You guys are going to commit mass suicide when Jeb Bush wins the nomination

Jeb's current momentum = Money and no other reason to drop out

Like, at the end of the day there's literally no reason why Jeb has to stop running for the nomination. He's not out of money yet, it's costing him nothing beyond that money and none of his opponents that are running for the same kind of coalition are doing much better.

Rubio sank back below him pretty quickly, Kasich is not expected to win anything after NH and Christie just dropped out. Trump and Cruz are still in but are different kinds of candidates running for a different coalition to win the nomination.

If Rubio stays dead after NH, Jeb may well end up being the default establishment candidate. Merely by outlasting the opposition.

Jeb will appeal to moderates and non-racists. He is still in a position to be that candidate if it happens.

Anonymous That Would Be Telling February 11, 2016 9:25 AM  

@17 VD:

There is a huge difference between a man who is forced to work with bankers to run his business and the man who goes to them to fund his political career.

If we want to go back further in history, there's a long precedent of rulers liquidating their debts by liquidating their creditors, and by no means is this just Christians doing it to Jews.

Or funding themselves by liquidating other wealthy entities, see for example Henry VIII. For example, the government has a terrific inventory of property they don't manage well, or at all. Real solutions to a whole bunch of things, even ignoring the various Federal deficits, require liquidating a large fraction of that (but of course first we have to change the government so it isn't actively at war with the nation's producers, and not just use that to further leverage the government's borrowing).

Blogger Josh February 11, 2016 9:26 AM  

There is a huge difference between a man who is forced to work with bankers to run his business and the man who goes to them to fund his political career.

Trump did support TARP.

Blogger Salt February 11, 2016 9:28 AM  

VD wrote:There is a huge difference between a man who is forced to work with bankers to run his business and the man who goes to them to fund his political career.

Yeah, really. How many farmers were told how to vote because... loans? Now many farmers want the Ethanol subsidy. Surely that's not political at all.

Anonymous Soga February 11, 2016 9:29 AM  

Well, that's a new one. A troll that not only thinks ¡Jeb! has a chance, but also believes in the sunken costs fallacy?

I'd ask for a better class of troll shills, but I have to say, I'm glad our enemies are this dumb.

OpenID luciussomesuch February 11, 2016 9:36 AM  

"Jeb will appeal to moderates and non-racists."

Thankfully, there are vanishingly few of either.

Blogger Josh February 11, 2016 9:40 AM  

CAVUTO: Are you for this Obama stimulus that was signed into law today?

TRUMP: Well, something had to be done. And whether it's perfect or not, nothing is perfect. And it's a whole trial-and-error thing, Neil.

It's a very, very tough — we are having — as the congressman just said, we're having the worst year, the worst couple of years, since the Great Depression. And you mentioned the early '80s.

I mean, the early '80s get blown away by this deal, as you know very well. This is far, far more severe than the early '80s.

CAVUTO: Do you really think so? I mean, back then, we had higher unemployment. You could argue that — that we might be headed there.

But, geez, Donald, I look at these numbers, I don't — I don't see the Depression comparison.

TRUMP: Neil, when you look at the banks, had trillions of dollars not been poured into the banks, you would have an insolvent banking system, and then you would absolutely have 1929. They did the right thing.


http://www.foxnews.com/story/2009/02/18/trump-casino-group-files-for-bankruptcy.html

Anonymous That Would Be Telling February 11, 2016 9:42 AM  

@20 Kevin:

You guys are going to commit mass suicide when Jeb Bush wins the nomination

Jeb's current momentum = Money and no other reason to drop out

Like, at the end of the day there's literally no reason why Jeb has to stop running for the nomination. He's not out of money yet, it's costing him nothing beyond that money and none of his opponents that are running for the same kind of coalition are doing much better.


Almost all that money is not nominally under his control ("coordination"), but under that of Mike "Set all our donor money on fire" Murphy who's running his superPAC. And Murphy takes a cut of whatever it spends, he has every incentive to spend it fast in case ¡Jeb! does drop out. ¡Jeb!'s pathetic showings—already signaled by that superPAC's donations cratering in 2H2015—have also been achieved only by spending that money freely.

Given the way the normal nominating process works, it would also be insane not to spend a lot of money to try to win South Carolina.

And, again, Trump is our "murder weapon" for the GOPe. In a different way, a GOP presidential Candidate ¡Jeb! who didn't win the primaries and was forced on the base in a convention would work towards that very well. The down-ticket losses alone would further put the party in a state of civil war, and/or smash the one thing it's been successful at in the Age of Obama.

That's another thing that makes this primary season hard to predict. Suppose Hillary and Sanders follow a trajectory like Hillary and Obama in 2008. The super-delegates might be willing to do what they're designed to do, since old white Jewish male doesn't trump old white female, but that would really trash their base, and make the microtargeting method by which Obama won his two elections much more difficult.

Blogger LES February 11, 2016 9:50 AM  

ABC did a lousy job of introducing the candidates at the debate but
Trump has class.

Blogger VD February 11, 2016 9:53 AM  

Trump did support TARP.

Josh, at some point, you are going to have to learn to separate Trump the Business Man who plays by the rules from Trump the Presidential Candidate who is getting into the game in order to make them.

You simply cannot judge how well, or even how, a referee or coach is going to be by how he played the game. There are no shortage of indications that Trump tPC is considerably more radical than Trump tBM

Anonymous That Would Be Telling February 11, 2016 9:54 AM  

Obama's microtargeting of his party's base is probably not something the Democrats can make work in this election due to how terribly bad a candidate Hillary is, including her splitting the base in a way that cannot be recovered by the "vote for the first black President" way Obama did.

Cruz is said to be using this method, one reason he's running as a "severe conservative", so his candidacy might not follow the normal rules, including possibly all the way to the White House. He didn't put much money (only a million) or effort into New Hampshire. South Carolina, though....

Anonymous Epi February 11, 2016 9:57 AM  

I would rather be a cuckservative than a kluxervative.

Anonymous That Would Be Telling February 11, 2016 10:01 AM  

@31 Epi:

I would rather be a cuckservative than a kluxervative.

Now that's an idea for encouraging alien invaders to leave the county after the wall has been built!

Blogger Hostem Populi February 11, 2016 10:01 AM  

@31 Was that your attempt to be clever in naming the 1488ers?

Blogger Salt February 11, 2016 10:02 AM  

The banks need Donald for business. The banks want Cruz for politics. How will Donald handle the banks if he wins? Unknown. How will Cruz handle the banks if he wins? All I can say with assurity is, Cruz is a Politician

Blogger Hostem Populi February 11, 2016 10:05 AM  

If Bernie wins the banks will loudly and hysterically beg for him not to throw them into the briar patch.

Anonymous BigGayKoranBurner February 11, 2016 10:16 AM  

And he even mentions making the medical insurance industry compete in the marketplace

As long as some places have to take in squatmonsters and others don't there will not be real completion.

Now imagine the DNC convention without Political Correctness.

If only it was being held in a die verse city, at the beginning of the month and the power went out with the food stamp system. Darn it its at the end of July in Philly.

Haxo, your constant defeatism would be considerably more credible if ...killed yourself.

Haxo don't kill yourself, but go out in a blaze of glory. The DNC is July 25-28 in Philly. All you would have to do is go out to the STR8 bars to pick up the ugly democrat hags & wipe them out. You could probably even frame Bill Clinton.

I think Trump has at least a hundred million in loans from Deutsche Bank

Are we seriously arguing on Trump's ability to write/interpret contracts? Everyone that bailed on him during the campaign ended up paying him.

I would rather be a cuckservative than a kluxervative.

I would rather be GayKK than have moslem neighbors.

Anonymous SouthRon February 11, 2016 10:17 AM  

@16 Despair Troll needs to be a meme like Pedobear.

Tremble before the power of Despair Troll.

OpenID sigbouncer February 11, 2016 10:25 AM  

Which Ted Cruz are you voting for?

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/02/ted-cruz-president-obama-stimulus-lawyer


Ted Cruz, Closet Keynesian: Read His 2009 Defense of President Obama's Stimulus

The senator has condemned the "failed" program—but as a lawyer he once earned big bucks arguing that it would aid America's "economic recovery."

In a little-noticed legal brief Cruz filed in July 2009 on behalf of the Texas Retired Teachers Association, he argued in favor of the legality and constitutionality of the Texas state government using federal stimulus money to cut a one-time $500 check to some 250,000 retired teachers. Moreover, Cruz touted the economic benefits of the payments and noted that they would help fulfill the mission of Obama's stimulus. These $500 checks, Cruz wrote, "will directly impact the [Texas] economy…and will directly further the greater purpose of economic recovery for America."

The back story goes like this: In early 2009, Obama signed into law the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, his $787 billion stimulus bill. Of those funds, Texas received $17 billion. Despite the Texas GOP's overwhelming opposition to Obama's stimulus package, Texas Gov. Rick Perry and the Republican-led Legislature not only accepted the stimulus money, but used $6.4 billion of it to balance the state budget.

Almost a fifth of Texas' stimulus dollars were earmarked for education. So Democrats and Republicans in the Texas Legislature crafted a deal in which a chunk of those education funds—$155 million—financed a one-time $500 payment sent to a quarter-million retired public school teachers across the state. When the legality of this deal was called into question, the Texas Retired Teachers Association enlisted the white-shoe law firm of Morgan Lewis and one of its top partners, Ted Cruz, to mount a defense.

Cruz had joined the Houston office of Morgan Lewis a year earlier, after serving as Texas solicitor general, the state's lead attorney, from 2003 to 2008. As a partner at the firm, Cruz billed as much as $695 an hour for his services.

OpenID sigbouncer February 11, 2016 10:28 AM  

Or Ted Cruz the ambulance chaser:

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/02/ted-cruz-tort-reform-2016


As a Lawyer, Ted Cruz Defended Huge Jury Awards. As a Politician, He Opposed Them.

In private practice, Cruz made money defending the kind of multimillion-dollar awards he has publicly decried.


As a politician, Ted Cruz, the junior Republican senator from Texas, has championed tort reform—the nationwide effort pushed by conservatives and business interests to restrict malpractice and other wrongful injury and death lawsuits, limiting how much a jury can award a harmed individual for pain and suffering and in punitive damages. When Cruz ran for Senate in 2012, his website declared he had defended a landmark pro-business tort reform law passed in Texas in 2003 that severely constrained the ability of consumers to sue medical professionals and nursing homes and to collect punitive damages in other cases. Cruz also boasted that when he had been a policy adviser on George W. Bush's first presidential campaign he developed Bush's pro-tort reform proposals. During the Senate race, the Texas Civil Justice League, a supporter of tort reform, enthusiastically endorsed Cruz. After becoming a senator, Cruz told the Austin Chamber of Commerce that Texas-style tort reform—which places a cap of $750,000 on punitive damages—ought to be a national law.

Yet, as a lawyer in private practice, Cruz—at least twice, in 2010 and 2011—worked on cases in New Mexico to secure $50 million-plus jury awards in tort cases prompted by corporate malfeasance. These are precisely the kind of jury awards that the tort reform Cruz has promoted would abolish. That is, Cruz the attorney, who sometimes billed clients $695 an hour, made money defending jury awards that Cruz the politician wanted to eliminate—and he did so at the same time he was running for Senate as a pro-tort-reform candidate.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan February 11, 2016 10:30 AM  

Parade rain time, Bob Whitaker has some experience dealing in GOP politics and as he puts it Trump is probably just the usual "teetering at the edge of heresy and ready to denounce it."

OpenID sigbouncer February 11, 2016 10:33 AM  

Only the deep south and religious zealots are hoodwinked by all of Ted Cruz's double talk.

And one other thing on the Cruz family loans. Nobody else is getting those Goldman Sucks Citibank loans based on their "combined income". You have to be a higher up in the company ala Heidi Cruz promising to return the favor to get that type of loan locked down.

Blogger James Dixon February 11, 2016 10:34 AM  

> You guys are going to commit mass suicide when Jeb Bush wins the nomination

I'll do one of the three things I've done for the last 20+ years: Vote third party, vote for the Democrat, or sit out the election. Normally the second isn't on the list, but to vote against Jeb, I just might do it.

> Jeb will appeal to moderates and non-racists.

You haven't gotten the latest memos, have you? There are no white non-racists. And Jeb appeals to no one except the donor class.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan February 11, 2016 10:35 AM  

Cruz too, right there flirting with heresy and ready to denounce it

I'm not a Haxotroll, but it is nice to flip forward and read our dog eared contard script and remind ourselves on what fails

Of course we on the alt-right could short circuit that option

Blogger Josh February 11, 2016 10:35 AM  

Josh, at some point, you are going to have to learn to separate Trump the Business Man who plays by the rules from Trump the Presidential Candidate who is getting into the game in order to make them.

You simply cannot judge how well, or even how, a referee or coach is going to be by how he played the game. There are no shortage of indications that Trump tPC is considerably more radical than Trump tBM


Which Trump tPC, the 2000 version, 2012 version, or 2016 version?

Blogger Josh February 11, 2016 10:36 AM  

Nobody else is getting those Goldman Sucks Citibank loans based on their "combined income". You have to be a higher up in the company ala Heidi Cruz promising to return the favor to get that type of loan locked down.

And you are certain of this because...?

Anonymous rienzi February 11, 2016 10:38 AM  

31. Epi: "I would rather be a cuckservative than a kluxervative."

Please enlighten us, oh exalted one, on who these "kluxservatives" may be. We breathlessly await your pronouncement.

Blogger James Dixon February 11, 2016 10:40 AM  

> In a little-noticed legal brief Cruz filed in July 2009 on behalf of the Texas Retired Teachers Association, he argued in favor of the legality and constitutionality of the Texas state government using federal stimulus money to cut a one-time $500 check to some 250,000 retired teachers. Moreover, Cruz touted the economic benefits of the payments and noted that they would help fulfill the mission of Obama's stimulus. These $500 checks, Cruz wrote, "will directly impact the [Texas] economy…and will directly further the greater purpose of economic recovery for America."

So you think he was wrong to argue that giving the money to consumers who needed was better than giving it to politically connected companies the way Obama preferred? Texas had to spend the money or lose it. Cruz was arguing for a better way of spending it. One that actually works to get the money into the economy.

There may be many reasons not to like Cruz, but that's not one of them.

OpenID sigbouncer February 11, 2016 10:44 AM  

Ted Cruz uses religion as a front.

He's a proven liar on his failure to list his loans from Goldman Sucks and Citibank. And a proven liar again when he attempted to undermine (he actually did undermine it) Ben Carson's campaign in Iowa by falsely claiming Carson dropped out.

What a snake in the grass this ass clown is. Enjoy watching these idiots espousing him and his ways.

OpenID sigbouncer February 11, 2016 10:48 AM  

"So you think he was wrong to argue that giving the money to consumers who needed was better than giving it to politically connected companies the way Obama preferred?"

I think it's wrong of those who admonish Trump and praise Cruz in the same breath when both were in support of the same thing. Which is taking tax payer monies to pay for others mistakes.

And it's even more wrong to profit off of it. Which is what Cruz was doing.

Blogger Salt February 11, 2016 10:51 AM  

Josh wrote:Which Trump tPC, the 2000 version, 2012 version, or 2016 version?

Only Trump 2016 is Trump the politician, or do you contend he was running for political office in '00 and '12? Do you not see the difference, and similarity, between Trump the businessman and Trump the Nationalist?

Blogger Aeoli Pera February 11, 2016 10:52 AM  

James Dixon wrote:> In a little-noticed legal brief Cruz filed in July 2009 on behalf of the Texas Retired Teachers Association, he argued in favor of the legality and constitutionality of the Texas state government using federal stimulus money to cut a one-time $500 check to some 250,000 retired teachers. Moreover, Cruz touted the economic benefits of the payments and noted that they would help fulfill the mission of Obama's stimulus. These $500 checks, Cruz wrote, "will directly impact the [Texas] economy…and will directly further the greater purpose of economic recovery for America."

So you think he was wrong to argue that giving the money to consumers who needed was better than giving it to politically connected companies the way Obama preferred? Texas had to spend the money or lose it. Cruz was arguing for a better way of spending it. One that actually works to get the money into the economy.

There may be many reasons not to like Cruz, but that's not one of them.


Or you could go with the simpler interpretation, which is that he was cutting checks to likely voters.

Blogger Josh February 11, 2016 10:58 AM  

Only Trump 2016 is Trump the politician, or do you contend he was running for political office in '00 and '12?

I would consider him in 2000 and 2012 to be at least a quasi politician.

My point is that you can't ignore twenty years of history for Trump just because this is the first time he's actually gone through with running a campaign. Unless you'd also be willing to ignore twenty years of history for other candidates.

Blogger Alexander February 11, 2016 11:00 AM  

Today, every dollar I produce, the government goes ahead and takes 46 cents before I see a speck of it.

Then, of the 54 remaining, I still get dinged again for all sorts of fees and taxes.

I'm done giving a fuck about limiting government. Government's a boot. Government is always going to be the boot.

Donald Trump isn't going to remove the boot. But Donald Trump might smash the boot into the face of the people who have previously been smashing the boot into mine.

In which case, three cheers for the Donald, and it's one of the few times I'd ever want to live in Chicago so I could vote for him twice.

If he then spends four years ensuring that the 46 cents that have been taken from me go towards white-anglo saxons, instead of the current getup where I'm de facto paying for my own enslavement and destruction, well, fuck the cheering and give the man a crown.

tl;dr. zero fucks given about Trump's positions of big government spending, ala TARP. All fucks given towards who then money is spent on, and who will be around for the money spent twenty-five years from now.

OpenID sigbouncer February 11, 2016 11:02 AM  

"My point is that you can't ignore twenty years of history for Trump just because this is the first time he's actually gone through with running a campaign. Unless you'd also be willing to ignore twenty years of history for other candidates."

This is the dumbest thing I have read here.

As a businessman, you are on your own dime. As a politician, you are on my dime. That's the difference.

Politicians (are supposed to) work for what's best for the public that voted them in office. Businessman work for themselves and what is best for their company.

Blogger Josh February 11, 2016 11:06 AM  

Politicians (are supposed to) work for what's best for the public that voted them in office. Businessman work for themselves and what is best for their company.

Then shouldn't you stop criticizing Cruz for doing what was best for his company?

Blogger Josh February 11, 2016 11:07 AM  

This is the dumbest thing I have read here.


That's because you have subpar reading comprehension ability.

Blogger Gaiseric February 11, 2016 11:08 AM  

sigbouncer wrote:This is the dumbest thing I have read here.

As a businessman, you are on your own dime. As a politician, you are on my dime. That's the difference.

Politicians (are supposed to) work for what's best for the public that voted them in office. Businessman work for themselves and what is best for their company.

It's not even the dumbest thing in this thread. It is, however, willfully obtuse and stubborn.

OpenID sigbouncer February 11, 2016 11:12 AM  

"Then shouldn't you stop criticizing Cruz for doing what was best for his company?"

Again, I was making a point. In fact that point being made was directed at you. For your criticizing Trump's support when Cruz gave that same support. And Cruz actually profited from it (in more ways that one, see Aeoli @51 ), making it worse.

Blogger pyrrhus February 11, 2016 11:16 AM  

I wonder how your golden haired playboy will respond if some of his banking friends decide to call in their loans unless they get what they want. Talk about owned by Wall Street?

Not happening ever if Trump gets elected....what do you think would happen if the Justice Dept., Fed, FDIC started seriously auditing these banks, haha?

OpenID sigbouncer February 11, 2016 11:16 AM  

"That's because you have subpar reading comprehension ability."

Yeah I'd say it's more because your lips move several minutes before your brain does.

Blogger Nick S February 11, 2016 11:18 AM  

Josh wrote:This is the dumbest thing I have read here.



That's because you have subpar reading comprehension ability.


There's no point in arguing with those enamored with the alpha. They think they're in love. It's common.

Blogger Salt February 11, 2016 11:19 AM  

sigbouncer wrote:As a businessman, you are on your own dime. As a politician, you are on my dime. That's the difference.

Politicians (are supposed to) work for what's best for the public that voted them in office. Businessman work for themselves and what is best for their company.


Let's look at Trump, the businessman. Wealthy. NewYorker. He schmoozes, makes deals, panders as needed to schmooze and make more deals. He's CEO of Trump the businessman. Trump carries! And why not? So what he uses connections. He has them to use. How did he get them? He pandered, he schmoozed, he made the deals.

THAT'S the GAME of business. He played by the Rules (Rules he did not make) .
One must understand that what Trump said to get where Trump is is not necessarily what he really thinks or believes. Who gives a fuck what he really thinks? NO ONE! Not even the people he schmoozed and made deals with. It was all theater! The Art Of The Deal.

Now comes Trump, an entryist politician, age 69, father, grandfather, and seemingly - an American. He wants, again so he says, his grandchildren to grow up in the America he knows. His America, which is a hell of a lot closer to my America than the others. Not the America of globalists Obama, or Cruz, or worst of worst, Sanders, Hildabeast ...

Trump is a Nationalist. Not a Ron Paul nationalist, that's for sure. But a Nationalist people are getting behind. They threw Paul out, twice.

As Vox says, he'll re-make the rules... in favor of Americans. He says people should carry. Why should I not believe him?

OpenID sigbouncer February 11, 2016 11:22 AM  

"There's no point in arguing with those enamored with the alpha. They think they're in love. It's common."

You sound like a man talking from previous experience...

Blogger Nick S February 11, 2016 11:25 AM  

sigbouncer wrote:You sound like a man talking from previous experience...

Yep. Seen it a thousand times.

OpenID sigbouncer February 11, 2016 11:29 AM  

@Salt
"Let's look at Trump, the businessman. Wealthy. NewYorker. He schmoozes, makes deals, panders as needed to schmooze and make more deals. He's CEO of Trump the businessman. Trump carries! And why not? So what he uses connections. He has them to use. How did he get them? He pandered, he schmoozed, he made the deals.

THAT'S the GAME of business. He played by the Rules (Rules he did not make) .
One must understand that what Trump said to get where Trump is is not necessarily what he really thinks or believes. Who gives a fuck what he really thinks? NO ONE! Not even the people he schmoozed and made deals with. It was all theater! The Art Of The Deal.

Now comes Trump, an entryist politician, age 69, father, grandfather, and seemingly - an American. He wants, again so he says, his grandchildren to grow up in the America he knows. His America, which is a hell of a lot closer to my America than the others. Not the America of globalists Obama, or Cruz, or worst of worst, Sanders, Hildabeast ...

Trump is a Nationalist. Not a Ron Paul nationalist, that's for sure. But a Nationalist people are getting behind. They threw Paul out, twice.

As Vox says, he'll re-make the rules... in favor of Americans. He says people should carry. Why should I not believe him?"


Well put down.

My reasons for supporting Trump are pretty simple. Immigration/Wall, TTP/TPP trade bills and he's Politically incorrect.

If Trump can flip those 3 things in our favor... Then it's a win for my money.

Anonymous #8601 Jean Valjean February 11, 2016 11:35 AM  

Interesting that Trump owes Dooshe Bank so much money given they're being blamed for the current market decline.

OpenID sigbouncer February 11, 2016 11:36 AM  

"Yep. Seen it a thousand times."

Says the white knight who came here to rescue and nut ride Josh.

Blogger Beefy Levinson February 11, 2016 11:39 AM  

Christie: I have decided to stop running for president.

Christie's doctor: You've never run a day in your life. You obese piece of shit.

Anonymous WillBest February 11, 2016 11:41 AM  

What Trump does when he gets in office is anybody's guess. All we are doing now is trying to figure out if he is somebody that could be reasonably trusted to do the things he said. And to my mind, I am leaning toward yes. And here is why.


Trump has a 4 plank platform at this point (plus a bunch of one off I don't like X, I like Y)
1) Immigration enforcement
2) Tax reform (which includes YUGE tax cuts for businesses)
3) Tariffs on 3rd world countries
4) Fix the VA.

He can do #1 and 4 without congress, under executive prioritization. The laws are already there, he just has to go do it.

The Chamber of Commerce and Wall Street have to be salivating at #2. We are talking about freeing up hundreds of billions of dollar of capital and increasing their profits for a good decade or more. But that is the thing. You get them in the room. Now they are there. Now you negotiate. That is when you get #3.

So for my mind, Trump can do everything he is proposing. Which makes him the most honest politician up there, because if you look through everybody else, it requires going hat in hand to Congress while lining yourself up against very powerful interests who are getting nothing in return.

Blogger Nick S February 11, 2016 11:42 AM  

Josh can take care of himself. You, on the other hand, need an alpha.

OpenID sigbouncer February 11, 2016 11:46 AM  

Yeah I do. They amuse me.

Anonymous Will Best February 11, 2016 11:46 AM  

What Trump does when he gets in office is anybody's guess. All we are doing now is trying to figure out if he is somebody that could be reasonably trusted to do the things he said. And to my mind, I am leaning toward yes. And here is why.

Trump has a 4 plank platform at this point (plus a bunch of one off I don't like X, I like Y)
1) Immigration enforcement
2) Tax reform (which includes YUGE tax cuts for businesses)
3) Tariffs on 3rd world countries
4) Fix the VA.

He can do #1 and 4 without congress, under executive prioritization. The laws are already there, he just has to go do it.

The Chamber of Commerce and Wall Street have to be salivating at #2. We are talking about freeing up hundreds of billions of dollar of capital and increasing their profits for a good decade or more. But that is the thing. You get them in the room. Now they are there. Now you negotiate. That is when you get #3.

So for my mind, Trump can do everything he is proposing. Which makes him the most honest politician up there, because if you look through everybody else, it requires going hat in hand to Congress while lining yourself up against very powerful interests who are getting nothing in return.

Blogger Nick S February 11, 2016 11:48 AM  

You're welcome.

Blogger Josh February 11, 2016 11:49 AM  

At some point, you are going to have to learn to separate Mitt Romney the Business Man who plays by the rules from Mitt Romney the Presidential Candidate who is getting into the game in order to make them.

You simply cannot judge how well, or even how, a referee or coach is going to be by how he played the game. There are no shortage of indications that Romney tPC is considerably more radical than Romney tBM

OpenID b1bae96e-6447-11e3-b6bb-000f20980440 February 11, 2016 11:51 AM  

Is Name/URL being auto-spammed again, or have I done something to offend? Because virtually all my comments have been getting eaten the last couple days.

WillBest

Blogger Snidely Whiplash February 11, 2016 12:18 PM  

Jeb!'s money is not really money. It's mostly pledges to donate money later. These donor types are players. They don't just pungle up 100M cause Jeb! asked them to. They donate 1M for the exploration committee, another 1M a few months later to finance the campaign infrastructure. they pledge 10M provided Jeb! comes in at least 3rd in Iowa, anther 20M going into Super Tuesday, etc.
SC isn't even Jeb!'s make-or-break. That's super Tuesday. If he can't manage 2nd there, the money all goes away.
And Mike Murphy is just a scam artist.

Anonymous Steve Brown VFM# 0273 February 11, 2016 12:23 PM  

And the best comment so far goes to @65 sigbouncer.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash February 11, 2016 12:23 PM  

And you guys do knowthere are more than 3 candidates, right? I know most of you have looked long and hard at Carson and passed, but what about Jim Gilmore?
He's gone from 12th to 6th in just 2 weeks. In NH, Jim increased his number of voters by 10 fold over Iowa!. It's Jimmemtum! This Yugo's got no brakes! Or right side door!

Blogger Josh February 11, 2016 12:28 PM  

Jeb!'s money is not really money. It's mostly pledges to donate money later.

Incorrect. Right to Rise has $58.5mm cash on hand.

Blogger Markku February 11, 2016 12:28 PM  

Now THAT'S what I'm talking about! I became a total Jim fan during the count. Here's a man who doesn't let little setbacks like getting 0.1% of the vote discourage him. Jim soldiers on. That's my man Jim.

Blogger Josh February 11, 2016 12:30 PM  

Gilmorementum

Blogger Troy Lee Messer February 11, 2016 12:37 PM  

Regarding Trumps bankruptcies.

There is has been a lot ink implying that his use of bankruptcies is a sign of incompetence. I disagree. As has been said, Trump plays by the rules. And IMHO, his genious is exploiting those rules. When I took my tax class in law school, it was basically teaching me all the loopholes. Trump exploited the law (i.e. a loophole) to fend off a cost: his creditors. I don't have any issue with this and I don't have any sympathy for the banks, or any other creditor, that loaned him money and got shafted. Banks, in particular, have legions of lawyers to advise them of the risks entailed in giving loans. Ranks are not an innocent party.

Blogger VD February 11, 2016 12:56 PM  

Which Trump tPC, the 2000 version, 2012 version, or 2016 version?

Now you're just embarrassing yourself, Josh. Trump was not running for any political offices in 2000 or 2012.

At some point, you are going to have to learn to separate Mitt Romney the Business Man who plays by the rules from Mitt Romney the Presidential Candidate who is getting into the game in order to make them.

And now you're just being dishonest. No one objected to what Romney did or said when he was in business, they objected to his record as the Governor of Massachusetts. Which, you will note, is a political office.

Seriously, have you learned literally nothing in all your time here? Do you really think that anyone is going to fail to observe your repeated false equivalencies? You're not scoring points against Trump here. You're scoring points against your own reputation.

Blogger Nick S February 11, 2016 1:12 PM  

Troy Lee Messer wrote:I don't have any issue with this and I don't have any sympathy for the banks, or any other creditor, that loaned him money and got shafted.

Do you have any sympathy for the sub-contractors and their employees that weren't able to recoup the expenses they incurred performing valuable work for Trump? Bankruptcy isn't a tool to be leveraged in order to enrich yourself at the expense of others any more than politics is. That's the concern. Trump has no compunctions about screwing people over to advance his own agenda, and he hasn't made a compelling case that his current agenda is rooted in benevolence toward the nation. His nebulous platitudes are not convincing.

OpenID sigbouncer February 11, 2016 1:20 PM  

OT

Last Oregon Refuge occupier David Frye is threatening to kill himself and is holding a gun to his head.

Live feed:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=616S8t9tek4

Blogger VD February 11, 2016 1:21 PM  

Last Oregon Refuge occupier David Frye is threatening to kill himself and is holding a gun to his head.

Well, that will certainly convince America that the militias aren't comprised of madmen.

Anonymous Andrew E. February 11, 2016 1:36 PM  

My reasons for supporting Trump are pretty simple. Immigration/Wall, TTP/TPP trade bills and he's Politically incorrect. If Trump can flip those 3 things in our favor... Then it's a win for my money.

If Trump does those three things he's fu**ing Charles Martel and Charlemagne rolled into one.

Regarding Trump shafting contractors in his bankruptcies, listen to this podcast of Laura Ingraham's radio show from yesterday. At 47:45 minutes a caller from Florida comes on to tell his story of involvement with one of Trump's bankruptcies. Trump contracted his business for $85,000 and then filed for bankruptcy shortly thereafter. Distressed, the man wrote Trump a letter explaining himself and he received a personal check a few days later from Trump for $85,000.

http://cdn46.castfire.com/audio/522/3564/25706/2676718/2676718_2016-02-10-134218-7770-0-11-0.64k.mp3?cdn_id=46&uuid=8ee7f371ce300042c2793ee72a4ddae5&referer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.podcastone.com%2FThe-Laura-Ingraham-Show-Podcast

Anonymous a friend of Josh's February 11, 2016 1:39 PM  

Trump considers a presidential bid

Trump/Huckabee 2012

Trump for President 2000

Anonymous farmer Tom February 11, 2016 1:45 PM  

Trump on immigration

Blogger Anonymous Robot February 11, 2016 1:53 PM  

Trump can tax Mexican remittances to finance the wall, and Mexico would have paid.

Blogger Akulkis February 11, 2016 1:59 PM  

Overseas remittances should be taxed at a rate of 100% (which is to say, for every $10 that the Meximmvader takes to western Union to send south of the Rio Grande, $5 stays here).

Blogger Snidely Whiplash February 11, 2016 2:06 PM  

@89 Akulkis
That would be 50%. I agree they should be taxed at 100%

Blogger Nick S February 11, 2016 2:16 PM  

Andrew E. wrote:At 47:45 minutes a caller from Florida comes on to tell his story of involvement with one of Trump's bankruptcies.
Shilling for Trump Superpack.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash February 11, 2016 2:21 PM  

You're all correct. Bush is a nothingburger, Cruz is a lying crapweasel, Trump's not a "real conservative". It's time to support Jim!

Blogger Snidely Whiplash February 11, 2016 2:24 PM  

All aboard the Gilmore Submarine!

Blogger Were-Puppy February 11, 2016 2:27 PM  

@10 farmer Tom

And besides, Cruz is a pussy, don't you know. Won't play along on big ethanol, won't play along on healthcare, and opposes women in selective service. He's obviously just another crazy right wing conservative.
---

Still pushing Tundra Teddy, Eh?

bahahahaaa

Blogger Snidely Whiplash February 11, 2016 2:29 PM  

C'mon guys. TBH, we need a couple of hands to push.

Please?

Blogger Were-Puppy February 11, 2016 2:30 PM  

@14 Derrick Bonsell

Anyway Christie has deflected attacks on Trump at pretty much every debate. He may be keeping his options open by not endorsing Trump but he is angling for a role in Trump's cabinet.
---

Have you ever caught Hitlery with that look on her face as if she is trying to think of a great place to hide Bernies body?

Imagine what she would have to do to be rid of Kris Krispy!

Blogger Were-Puppy February 11, 2016 2:31 PM  

@15 farmer Tom

But I wonder how your golden haired playboy will respond if some of his banking friends decide to call in their loans unless they get what they want. Talk about owned by Wall Street?
---

Red State? Really?
Next thing you'll be breaking out quotes from TheBlaze.

Blogger Were-Puppy February 11, 2016 2:33 PM  

@19 Napoleon 12pdr

Josh, if Trump is owned by Nazi banks, do we all get spiffy Hugo Boss uniforms? And our choice of high-quality pocket pistols as a sidearm?
---

I want one of those cool daggers too

Blogger Were-Puppy February 11, 2016 2:41 PM  

@37 SouthRon
@16 Despair Troll needs to be a meme like Pedobear.

Tremble before the power of Despair Troll.
---

YIPE! That's verging into Dark Ninja of Mockery territory!

Blogger Sheila4g February 11, 2016 2:43 PM  

@53 Alexander: Yes to every word. Amplify.

Blogger Were-Puppy February 11, 2016 2:44 PM  

@41 sigbouncer

Only the deep south and religious zealots are hoodwinked by all of Ted Cruz's
---

Scratch Deep South. We can tell a Canadian Anchor Baby when we see one.

Blogger Were-Puppy February 11, 2016 2:45 PM  

@42 James Dixon
You haven't gotten the latest memos, have you? There are no white non-racists. And Jeb appeals to no one except the donor class.
---

And supposedly some Mexicans and illegals :P

Blogger Anthony February 11, 2016 2:46 PM  

Christie's problem is that his main selling point is that he's a loud, asshole New Yorker, and Trump has him beat six ways from Sunday on that. Christie isn't an evangelical, and he's not a hardcore conservative on social or fiscal issues, and ¡Jeb! is more of a moderate. Christie is the big loudmouth you want to say nay things about Hillary. But Trump decided to run and turned that up to 11.

Blogger James Dixon February 11, 2016 2:51 PM  

> I think it's wrong of those who admonish Trump and praise Cruz in the same breath when both were in support of the same thing. Which is taking tax payer monies to pay for others mistakes.

a) I haven't done that. b) What mistake did the retired teachers make?

> Or you could go with the simpler interpretation, which is that he was cutting checks to likely voters.

Teachers are union members. Even retired ones are unlikely to vote for Cruz.

> Why should I not believe him?

Wrong question. The correct one is why should you believe him? The default assumption with all politicians should be that they're lying.

Blogger Were-Puppy February 11, 2016 2:51 PM  

@68 Beefy Levinson
Christie: I have decided to stop running for president.

Christie's doctor: You've never run a day in your life. You obese piece of shit.
---

I hear he does hold the world record of gnawing like a termite into a Dunkin Donuts delivery truck

Blogger Were-Puppy February 11, 2016 2:54 PM  

@76 Snidely Whiplash
And you guys do knowthere are more than 3 candidates, right? I know most of you have looked long and hard at Carson and passed, but what about Jim Gilmore?
---

WTF is Gim Jilmore? Is he also known as Vermin Supreme?

Blogger Gaiseric February 11, 2016 3:23 PM  

Nick S wrote:Troy Lee Messer wrote:Trump has no compunctions about screwing people over to advance his own agenda, and he hasn't made a compelling case that his current agenda is rooted in benevolence toward the nation. His nebulous platitudes are not convincing.
YOU'RE not convinced, and YOU'RE not compelled. Although, I suspect that there's nothing he could do that would convince you.

To put it in the parlance of the blog; this isn't a dialectical discussion. This is pseudo-dialectic, because all of your reasons for suggesting that Trump isn't at least as good if not considerably better than anyone else running will tend to be emotional and rhetorical in nature.

Blogger Nick S February 11, 2016 3:50 PM  

Gaiseric wrote:I suspect that there's nothing he could do that would convince you.

You suspicions are baseless.

Gaiseric wrote:all of your reasons for suggesting that Trump isn't at least as good if not considerably better than anyone else running

I didn't posit any reasons suggesting any such thing.

Blogger Gaiseric February 11, 2016 4:14 PM  

No, you just ignored all of the ones offered so far in this (and other) threads, to hold Trump to a higher standard of proof that he's worthy of your vote than any other alternative.

Blogger Gaiseric February 11, 2016 4:14 PM  

No, you just ignored all of the ones offered so far in this (and other) threads, to hold Trump to a higher standard of proof that he's worthy of your vote than any other alternative.

Anonymous touch back amnesty February 11, 2016 4:18 PM  

touch back amnesty

Blogger Nick S February 11, 2016 4:28 PM  

Gaiseric wrote:No, you just ignored all of the ones offered so far in this (and other) threads, to hold Trump to a higher standard of proof that he's worthy of your vote than any other alternative.

Oh, stop sniveling.

Blogger Josh February 11, 2016 4:35 PM  

Now you're just embarrassing yourself, Josh. Trump was not running for any political offices in 2000 or 2012.

Can you clarify that?

Blogger Markku February 11, 2016 4:44 PM  

WTF is Gim Jilmore? Is he also known as Vermin Supreme?

No. Jim Gilmore is a genuine, bona fide candidate of the highest caliber in the Grand Old Party. He has been generally underestimated by the trifling issue of having received 0.1% of the vote. That just shows how co-opted the media is.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY February 11, 2016 4:51 PM  

" Seriously, have you learned literally nothing in all your time here? "
I would say no . He did go to Vandy after all.
" You're not scoring points against Trump here. You're scoring points against your own reputation. "
But being a curly top lovin' buffoon is his rep.
He's just doin' the old double-down,nothin' new under the sun here.

Blogger Salt February 11, 2016 5:00 PM  

Josh wrote:Can you clarify that?

/facepalm

Blogger SciVo February 11, 2016 5:18 PM  

I just discovered a fascinating interactive graphic of Super PAC spending at Slate of all places. Does anyone know of an equivalent (or the next best thing) for direct campaign expenditures?

Blogger SciVo February 11, 2016 5:23 PM  

Incidentally, it shows that the America Leads Super PAC spent $17 million on Christie. Someone just threw a lot of money away.

Blogger SciVo February 11, 2016 5:28 PM  

Sorry, the Slate graphic isn't quite as up to date as Open Secrets. It was actually almost $18 million for Christie, and 3/5 a mil against Kusich for some reason.

Blogger SciVo February 11, 2016 5:42 PM  

Oh, here we go. It isn't fancy, but you can at least get a summary that shows that in addition to the $8.4 million spent by the Carly for America Super PAC, her campaign also raised over $11.3 million. It must be nice to have enough money that you can afford to flush it down the drain... wait.

Why did one of the Super PACs for Cruz give half a mil to Carly's? Sometimes I think I understand politics, and other times I realize that there is way more going on behind the scenes that I can possibly grasp.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash February 11, 2016 5:53 PM  

SciVo wrote:It must be nice to have enough money that you can afford to flush it down the drain... wait.
Yeah, I know several dozen former and a few current HP employees that would like an explanation

Why did one of the Super PACs for Cruz give half a mil to Carly's? Sometimes I think I understand politics, and other times I realize that there is way more going on behind the scenes that I can possibly grasp.
If they determined that Carly was likely to take some of Bush's voters, but unlikely to siphon off Cruz', why wouldn't they?

Blogger Markku February 11, 2016 5:55 PM  

If they determined that Carly was likely to take some of Bush's voters, but unlikely to siphon off Cruz', why wouldn't they?

Sounds good to me. 10/10 WOULD SPEND

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY February 11, 2016 6:13 PM  

"Can you clarify that?"
Good grief.

Blogger Young Heaving Bosoms of Liberty February 11, 2016 6:27 PM  

b1bae96e-6447-11e3-b6bb-000f20980440 wrote:Is Name/URL being auto-spammed again, or have I done something to offend? Because virtually all my comments have been getting eaten the last couple days.

WillBest


It's the new Mormon filter I installed.

Blogger SciVo February 11, 2016 7:08 PM  

Kevin wrote:Like, at the end of the day there's literally no reason why Jeb has to stop running for the nomination. He's not out of money yet, it's costing him nothing beyond that money and none of his opponents that are running for the same kind of coalition are doing much better.

Rubio sank back below him pretty quickly, Kasich is not expected to win anything after NH and Christie just dropped out.


Like, Roboto is still crushing Low Energy in all the non-NH polls since the last debate, including the national one. Like, Sweaty is still leading everyone in the endorsement primary, and everyone but Right Porridge is crushing Please Clap in the Facebook primary. Like, Foam Party still has 2.5 times as many delegates as Pocket Turtle.

Like, I have no idea what you're talking about. Like, except for NY, even Grain Pyramid is beating Mommy's Boy in all the aforementioned polls!

Anonymous Hezekiah Garrett February 11, 2016 7:59 PM  

@90 Check that math. I was always under the impression that $5 is 100% of $5, so that when you add the $5 going to Mexico with the $5 staying here, you get $10.

Blogger VD February 11, 2016 8:06 PM  

Can you clarify that?

No. It is perfectly clear. For what political office do you think Donald Trump was registered to run in 2000 and 2012?

Blogger Snidely Whiplash February 11, 2016 9:18 PM  

@128
Interesting. if it were an income tax, the tax rate is the amount of a transaction that is confiscated via tax. If it were a sales tax the tax rate is the amount added to the transaction to pay the tax man.
hmmmmmm

Blogger Josh February 11, 2016 9:23 PM  

No. It is perfectly clear. For what political office do you think Donald Trump was registered to run in 2000 and 2012?

He formed an exploratory committee in 2000

Blogger BunE22 February 11, 2016 10:00 PM  

Re: bankruptcy, a banker told my husband that sometimes they need losses. I don't know what goes on with their book keeping but it was a pretty cavalier statement.

@105 "Christie's problem is that his main selling point is that he's a loud, asshole New Yorker"

He's from New Jersey, the rest is correct.

Anonymous Toby Temple February 11, 2016 10:13 PM  

Josh is getting sloppy everytime Trump becomes the talk of the thread.

This can't be just normal i-don't-trust-this-candidate.

Even I can tell that Trump was never a politician back in 2000 and 2012, and I'm not even there in the US.

At least give credit to the man who is stirring the US political scene in the way most of you here want it to be, Josh.

Ron Paul may have done it 4 years ago, but it was nowhere near as effective was what Donald Trump is doing now.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY February 11, 2016 10:35 PM  

Pops Paul never was a guy that could draw crowds like Trump.
Curly does worse than his Pops at filling a banquet hall.
Trump fills places like the Baton Rouge River Center , as he did tonight. Just got through watching it,as a matter of fact.
Josh is a conflicted lad, at the moment he needs some Kleenex
and a hug, he shan't get either one from me.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY February 11, 2016 10:38 PM  

Dammit,
never could draw crowds draw crowds like Trump.

Blogger SciVo February 11, 2016 11:31 PM  

BunE22 wrote:He's from New Jersey, the rest is correct.

I looked into this recently just for kicks and giggles, to see how many New Yorkers could be in the race, and the answer was four. Sanders was born in Brooklyn, and Christie lives in Newark, which is considered part of the NYC metro area.

So, if they both got their parties' nominations, and Trump and Bloomberg both ran independent, then there would (in a certain technical sense) be a choice of four New Yorkers, including a Jew, a billionaire, and a Jewish billionaire.

I just thought it was funny.

Blogger SciVo February 11, 2016 11:33 PM  

Sorry, Christie was born in Newark. I don't know where he lives.

Blogger Doc Rampage February 12, 2016 12:14 AM  

These arguments are always a lot of fun. Trump has actually said he's for partial birth abortion, for gay marriage, for Hillary Clinton, for using eminent domain to take people's houses away and give them to real estate moguls, for gun control. He has actually given big money to lots of powerful Democrats to support them. Sure, he has walked back some of those statements while running for president, but he also walked back his big stand on immigration and said he would let former illegal aliens back in the country after they went home. But none of that matters, we can ignore everything he has said because we know he's our guy.

Meanwhile, Cruz has been the strongest advocate of border enforcement in the country since 2012 (with the possible exception of Ann Coulter). He has been consistently on the right side of all of those issues where Trump has been on the wrong side, and it has cost him a lot politically to take those stands. He is probably the most hated man in Washington, by both Democrats and Republicans. But, oh, his wife works at a bank and he got a loan and he made a mistake on one of his filings, so we know he's a crook and a liar and we can't trust him.

This is an embarrassingly clear example of looking for the evidence to support the position you already have.

You know, Trump is probably going to win, and that may very well turn out to be a good outcome. But except for his waffling stand on immigration, his political views are all horrible. Seriously. He's from New York. What else would you expect?

Anonymous johnc February 12, 2016 12:30 AM  

Cruz wouldn't actually accomplish anything though. He'd be like Bush again, just sort of slowing the progress of the progressives to a pace that is palatable to the American people. Might as well throw the dice and go with Trump.

You can also see the emphasis that each candidate has on certain issues. Cruz wasn't really interested in immigration and foreign labor until he saw it was a winning issue. Heck, he might have even proposed a 500% increase in H1B visas depending on how you interpret his strategy. (Interesting Drudge headline: 75% of Silicon Valley tech workers are foreign labor.)

And the guy really comes off as a sleazeball.

And he couldn't win the general election anyway.

Anonymous johnc February 12, 2016 12:35 AM  

Re: Cruz and border enforcement. He was down there with his boy Beck handing out teddy bears and soccer balls to illegal immigrants crossing the border. If that isn't a welcoming gesture, I don't know what is. How is it demonstrably different than seeing some of these fools in Germany holding welcome placards as the orcs come filing off of the buses and trains to register for residency status?

Blogger Aeoli Pera February 12, 2016 1:49 AM  

I attribute Josh's unusual performance in this thread to Mardi Gras. Drink a Gatorade and get some sleep bro!

Anonymous Andrew E. February 12, 2016 11:42 PM  

Trump has actually said he's for partial birth abortion,

Not true. Do your homework. This is Trump in his 2000 book The America We Deserve:

I support a woman’s right to choose, but I am uncomfortable with the procedures. When Tim Russert asked me on Meet the Press if I would ban partial-birth abortion, my pro-choice instincts led me to say no. After the show, I consulted two doctors I respect and, upon learning more about this procedure, I have concluded that I would support a ban.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY February 13, 2016 12:38 AM  

"He formed an exploratory committee in 2000"
Oh josh,joosh joshy josh.
Please, oh please try to dig you seff out o'dis here hole you dun put you seff in.
Not for me, i'm laffin' at yo nuckahedded ass.
Think abouts ya fokes.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY February 13, 2016 1:18 AM  

"Not true. Do your homework."
there seems to be a problem with 'em studying for the exam, because they don't like to do homework...
Seems to not bother some ignoramuses one bit.
Sad, oh so sad.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY February 13, 2016 1:28 AM  

I attribute Josh's unusual performance in this thread to Mardi Gras.
We party hearty every year for Fat Tuesday, no excuse. He Brayed, and is called an ass for it. YEAH, JUST THAT PLAIN AND SIMPLE.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY February 13, 2016 2:03 AM  

"It's the new Mormon filter I installed."
The power of the majjik draw's is strong , fight ye the good fight.

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