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Saturday, February 20, 2016

"We need alternatives"

Melampus the Seer sees the future:
We need alternative platforms. Deplatforming is the very basis of SJW institutional tactics, and it works. Let's use it ourselves, on our own platforms.

A related question: why haven't conservatives built their own platforms? I've worked for a number of startups. They were all hard left to the core. Why so few conservative entrepreneurs?
We do. And literally scores of VFM and Dread Ilk are in the process of making it happen. You will be called on to help in various ways soon. Be ready.

Why haven't conservatives built their own platforms? Because conservatives are conservative. I could have built a search engine back when Yahoo was just getting started, but I could see why people would pay to play games. I couldn't see how one could make money simply by collecting free traffic, and in fact, one can't do so unless one can a) rely on an unending supply of free labor or b) find investors who are either 1) willing to lose it all in order to be ideologically supportive or 2) are only buying in long enough to flip the company to the public.

Guess what sort of people are happy to work for free, lose vast quantities of money to further their ideological goals, or work for predatory investment banks? Hint: they're not conservatives.

Conservatives are much more likely to build up their businesses organically, often by bootstrapping themselves. They would rather be building up their business than running around trying to play the flim-flam game of "raising money". And that's now how any of the social media giants were constructed.

In the rare instance a conservative is involved in a project like this, he's often pushed out by his former partners. One of the reasons Wikipedia has been going nowhere for years is because the guy with the actual vision, Larry Sanger, was pushed out by an SJW flim-flam artist, Jimmy Wales, who promptly surrounded himself with mediocrities who don't know how to do anything but continue what they've been doing from the start while begging for money they don't actually need to not do what they aren't doing.

And finally, conservatives tend to be paralyzed by the fear that someone, somewhere, might make money from their efforts. For leftists and SJWs, donating publicly is a form of virtue-signaling. They love to give both time and money and will do so at the drop of a hat if they think doing so is going to generate social credit for them.

A conservative, on the other hand, doesn't value that sort of social credit, and has historically been much happier giving to a charity that will buy Rolls Royces and hookers for its executives or a church that will use his money to house illegal aliens next door than to a prospective techno-magnate, because at least the former won't make any profits off his donation.

This is beginning to change, of course, now that conservatives realize they have been totally outflanked and lost the techno-cultural high ground. How much it has changed, we will see in the next six months.

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58 Comments:

Anonymous Ain February 20, 2016 11:59 AM  

I'm looking forward to them losing ground in all areas, now that the battle is joined.

Blogger Sheila4g February 20, 2016 12:21 PM  

I have never used twitter or facebook, but when there is a conservative alternative, I will use it and recommend it whenever possible.

Blogger exfarmkid February 20, 2016 12:24 PM  

That....is an interesting analysis. FWIW, I had two decades with a technical contracting firm and I am confident you will find many conservatives who will work for free as long as they can show how smart they are, i.e. you give them credit for their brilliance. (There was a tendency to keep these types away from the customer sales meetings for that very reason.)

Blogger Dave February 20, 2016 12:30 PM  

Godspeed to the stalwart tech warriors of the right.

Anonymous Bob February 20, 2016 12:30 PM  

Let's not forget good old government mandated diversity.

Blogger lowercaseb February 20, 2016 12:32 PM  

The trouble has been stated before... It's easy to build an "echo chamber" but how do you build something that allows you to get your message out to the "normies."

However twitter has been so subverted by the left that it's become an echo chamber as well. You are not going to be able to get your message out to the normies there. So the time for worrying about echo chambers is past.

I'm not a builder but I'll be a funder.

...and like I said before, my wallet will open generously to anyone naming their alternative SafeSpace.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan February 20, 2016 12:33 PM  

Or they can start blogs that have Victoria's Secret ads every where. I click on them to keep pretty white girls at least As decorative flair on my browser.

Blogger Sheila4g February 20, 2016 12:34 PM  

Not in regards to tech alternatives, but relevant to this blog overall: an accurate and depressing summation of America today. Originally found it via a different blog. And, as part of a comment on the post linked, found this:

"We want a fuller more peaceful life. We define a good life as absence of threat. The other side defines a good life as absence of opposition."

Blogger Mr.MantraMan February 20, 2016 12:39 PM  

My brilliant plan doesn't work with Thor Steinar so I'll stick to VS

Anonymous Orville February 20, 2016 12:43 PM  

Very interesting. Denninger and others have often pointed out the virtual ponzi of Amazon, Facebook and others. I fully expect them to collapse or greatly shrink at some point, which leads to the next very interesting point, what will replace them? Alt-right developed platforms could quickly fill the vacuum from a business and message point of view.

I don't have the tech chops or time to contribute, but this looks like a good ground floor investment opportunity. I think there are many of us who would contribute small to moderate sums of capital to fund such a start up with the hopes of one, making a profit, and two sticking it to the left-tard liberal SJWs.

Anonymous BGKB February 20, 2016 12:44 PM  

historically been much happier giving to a charity that will buy Rolls Royces and hookers for its executives or a church that will use his money to house illegal aliens next door

The charities that move refusegees next door to people use taxpayer money to do so.If spending time with hookers makes someone more leftist, than this is a problem
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/02/17/hookers-4-hillary-offer-30-extra-minutes-to-nevada-customers-who-will-vote-for-clinton/

Blogger Patrick February 20, 2016 12:47 PM  

This is a truly great post. It would be a nice to see in book form.

Anonymous Anonino February 20, 2016 12:51 PM  

Hope this massive effort goes better than your attempt at a combat management game...

OpenID b1bae96e-6447-11e3-b6bb-000f20980440 February 20, 2016 12:52 PM  

I use twitter passively 99% of the time as a RSS feed. If they are going to censor my feed then it stops being useful as such.

Not that it matters, their app strips all the ads out that you see if you open it up in a growers. Lord knows how they make any money. They can't even data mine me properly if they aren't going to allow me to use their service unfiltered.

Will Best

Blogger Orville February 20, 2016 12:52 PM  

Very interesting. Denninger and others have often pointed out the virtual ponzi of Amazon, Facebook and others. I fully expect them to collapse or greatly shrink at some point, which leads to the next very interesting point, what will replace them? Alt-right developed platforms could quickly fill the vacuum from a business and message point of view.

I don't have the tech chops or time to contribute, but this looks like a good ground floor investment opportunity. I think there are many of us who would contribute small to moderate sums of capital to fund such a start up with the hopes of one, making a profit, and two sticking it to the left-tard liberal SJWs.

Blogger Florian Ulrich February 20, 2016 12:57 PM  

"They would rather be building up their business than running around trying to play the flim-flam game of "raising money"." Very true, I always thought there is no point in starting my own business when I end up asking for money again - in the end having to comply with donors. If I want to have somebody else determine what I should do, I can stay an employee.

Blogger John Morris February 20, 2016 1:11 PM  

Seems the problem is creating a replacement that won't quickly become exactly the same. The SJWs converged the venture capital supply so they can ensure only Party Men become the 'next big thing.' And if something becomes big without them their every effort will be bent towards entering or destroying it, probably both at once with allowing them entry offered as the terms to stop the attacks.

No single point of failure will stand against a never ending, relentless attack. We lack the political power to put an end to their attacks and defense only is not not usually a winning move long term. So no single point of failure.

Any institution created must be sustainable and that generally means a revenue model. Vox explained why 'burning VC' isn't viable and donations probably only work for a time which is when most turn to ads. Not viable for us. Look at Fox News Channel, they are one of the highest rated channels on cable and can't monetize it, stuck running second rate 'as seen on TV' junk ads that do not pay well because no reputable ad house wants the blowback from placing ads there. And FNC just is GOPe, imagine the look of horror on an ad execs face at the idea of advertising with the Militant Right. The pressure would become so great even the 'meet girls now' jittery animated horrors wouldn't even want to buy ad space.

No center. Something like Diaspora with no central weak point. No need for an organization large enough to require more financial support than a few donations to maintain a website or two. And the pure lulz of watching the horrified look on the FSF guys would be entirely bonus.

Only problem is spam control on such a decentralized network would be a serious issue as soon as anyone actually used it.

Blogger Orville February 20, 2016 1:17 PM  

@16 "The SJWs converged the venture capital supply so they can ensure only Party Men become the 'next big thing."

So make it a labor of love, like many of the open source projects. I'd still contribute. It doesn't have to be profitable, just viable.

Blogger Rusty Fife February 20, 2016 1:30 PM  

My network experience is limited to sandboxed LANs only.

Isn't the limitation to most of these services paying for the server farm?

Can this problem be overcome with distributed servers; e.g. a $50 pre-loaded Pi server that someone plugs into their cable modem?

Anonymous Viper 23 February 20, 2016 1:38 PM  

It would be great to have an SJW proof alternative to Twitter.
I will not abandon the platform at this time though.
Why?
Because, I am interested in sticking around and helping people tear the whole thing down from the inside. Stock prices are falling and Twitter is failing. I want to help hasten that. RT things the SJWs hate, say unpopular things, make them ban you one at a time and laugh as the lose that which they thought they could make "safe".

Blogger John Morris February 20, 2016 1:45 PM  

Yup, diaspora is Free Software (FSF people directly involved) and running on a Pi is one of their envisioned deployement models. Social media is not compute intensive, one Pi at the end of a fast cable modem could service the entire ranks of the VFM.

Most people would never need to think about hosting their own node, happy to plug into a large ad supported public one. Those who need to be anti-fragile are the ones who must be able to host their own account or at least host on an allied system.

Blogger Rusty Fife February 20, 2016 1:50 PM  

It is interesting to see everything going on here while reading this book:

http://www.amazon.com/Influence-Psychology-Persuasion-Revised-Edition/dp/006124189X

Ahhg! They are censoring us (Scarcity chapter)!

The chapter with Korean war POW collaboration with the Chinese is freaking scary (Commitment & Consistency).

Blogger pyrrhus February 20, 2016 1:55 PM  

@ 19 Yes, I will stay on Twitter until they kick me off, because I can support some of the right people, scientists as well as alt-right...

Blogger Rusty Fife February 20, 2016 1:55 PM  

John Morris wrote:

Most people would never need to think about hosting their own node, happy to plug into a large ad supported public one. Those who need to be anti-fragile are the ones who must be able to host their own account or at least host on an allied system.


But as part of the sales pitch to move over, it is pretty powerful. Spend $50 one time, no more ads or Big Brother social experiments.

Anonymous Alsos February 20, 2016 2:11 PM  

"And finally, conservatives tend to be paralyzed by the fear that someone, somewhere, might make money from their efforts...A conservative, on the other hand, doesn't value that sort of social credit, and has historically been much happier giving to a charity that will buy Rolls Royces and hookers for its executives or a church that will use his money to house illegal aliens next door than to a prospective techno-magnate, because at least the former won't make any profits off his donation."

Bingo. Sums up my experience with Republican organizations and activism to a tee. You bring them new ideas, and either they can't grasp them, are averse to change, are benefiting from the status quo, are terrified of potential bad PR, or they love the idea but refuse to help you do anything with it - because on the sly they're giving your idea and a big chunk of cash to an incompetent nephew/insider to do a half-baked doomed-to-fail implementation.

Anonymous Viper 23 February 20, 2016 2:20 PM  

Interesting article here on not placing ourselves in a social media ghetto.
http://www.radixjournal.com/blog/2016/2/19/the-digital-ghetto

Anonymous Alsos February 20, 2016 2:38 PM  

Didn't complete the thought - Republican/conservative organizations operate on a zero-sum mentality when it comes to funding and other support. It's not only a fear that someone might make a dollar off their efforts (which is true), it's also that any dollar made by another organization is a dollar that is denied to theirs.

Because of this you have organizations on the right actively stabbing each other in the back, instead of expanding the pie by cooperating, pooling funding behind accessible boards that work like VCs or shark tanks, finding new means to raise funds and isolate donor identities, sharing voter and activist databases, and pioneering new methods like the left does.

Anonymous Ain February 20, 2016 2:44 PM  

@19 "Because, I am interested in sticking around and helping people tear the whole thing down from the inside. Stock prices are falling and Twitter is failing. "

Yep. It would be a shame not to violate their safe space.

Anonymous JohnHD February 20, 2016 3:25 PM  

Saw this post on LegalInsurrection (that was about Nero):



Check this place out

https://freezepeach.xyz

Same thing as twitter but dedicated to total free speech. The creators does not care if feelings are hurt, he says to use the block feature instead.

Spread the word

Anonymous Angry February 20, 2016 3:48 PM  

Is there a way to anonymously build twitter accounts?

Blogger Alexander Thompson February 20, 2016 3:56 PM  

"Conservatives" have tried this a few times. There was a Reagan.com email domain I kept hearing ads for. An alternative to Google, they'd say. But Gmail is free and this cost a monthly fee.

A new Twitter is great but a barrier to entry is a problem.

Anonymous Daniel H February 20, 2016 4:27 PM  

Well here goes, my meager contribution to an open source competitor to Facebook, a name: let's call it FreeBook, or maybe OpenBook. Should I copyright these for the general good before the evil SJWs do so to thwart us? Of if any of our ilk knows how the copyright process works, let him do so fast. Here's a name for a Twitter competitor - a little cheeky: TweetMe.

Blogger Rusty Fife February 20, 2016 4:35 PM  

John Morris wrote:Yup, diaspora is Free Software (FSF people directly involved) and running on a Pi is one of their envisioned deployement models.

Is there a mechanism for the guy running the Diaspora Pi server to collect ad revenue? That would be sweet.

Anonymous Obvious February 20, 2016 4:43 PM  

If you try real hard, it might be as popular as Ello! Wouldn't that be something?!

The number one thing people want from Twitter is better anti-abuse features, and what do the denizens of this site want? Free speech. Good luck with THAT business model. Fox News is as popular as it is because of the Boomers. Good luck getting Boomers to sign on with your Twitter alternative.

Anonymous DrAzathoth February 20, 2016 4:52 PM  

Instapundit has suggested that conservatives start buying up legacy media and retrofitting them - this seems like a pretty plausible approach (more expensive than entryism, but look at what 20+ year of media control has bought progressives?). Imagine what a few decades of media spin to make equalism, socialism and malingering look ridiculous might do to shape public opinion.

Blogger LP9 Rin Integra S.I.G. Burnin' Up, Dune soaked, 80 svedka - The Lord overrides all! February 20, 2016 5:13 PM  

Begging for money is unproductive and embarrassing.

Forget the money, if the Dread Ilk are prepping some amazing platform I am thrilled to watch it blossom and support it.

Anonymous BGKB February 20, 2016 5:29 PM  

What is Brandon Eich doing with Brave? Isn't he one of the best people to lead this?

25 I just saw this in a previous article in Radix.
Martin Schulz, a German Social Democratic politician and the president of the EU Parliament, reportedly told an Israeli politician,

"For me, the new Germany exists only in order to ensure the existence of the State of Israel and the Jewish people."

Wow. Just wow.

The source? Avraham Burg, an Israeli businessman and Knesset member, in Haaretz of last year.
http://www.radixjournal.com/blog/2016/1/19/german-questions

Anonymous Man of the Atom February 20, 2016 5:38 PM  

This site is probably well known to many working this issue, but for others searching for alternatives to various software applications, here is a resource for your use.

Blogger weka February 20, 2016 5:58 PM  

Has this thread been Slashdotted yet
If not why not?

Anonymous SJW Builder February 20, 2016 6:06 PM  

"One of the reasons Wikipedia has been going nowhere for years..."

Wikipedia is the 7th most visited website in THE WORLD!

What would happen if it were going somewhere.

SJWs build the most useful and most popular websites in the world. Diss the SJWs, but don't pretend the don't kick ass where vision and creative effort is concerned.its possible that conservatives generally lack creativity and vision.

Blogger VD February 20, 2016 6:16 PM  

SJWs build the most useful and most popular websites in the world.

No, they don't. They get other people to build them and then they take them over.

What would happen if it were going somewhere.

It wouldn't look and operate exactly the same as it did ten years ago.

Anonymous Cash February 20, 2016 6:35 PM  

First thought.....

Hell yeah let's fucking do it.

Money doesn't care if you are conservative or liberal. It doesn't care if you are a good person.

Money rewards those who have clarity of purpose. A sense of destiny. Along with a lot of other crap.

I don't know what everyone else is up to but I can tell you I am doing my part. In my little neck of the woods I am wiping the floor with the liberals in business. I will then wipe the floor with them a hundred times over.

When it comes to coding and such I do not have the skills so I have not hopped into that sort of thing. I will be ready to give when the time comes IF the idea is a good one. Whatever it is y'all are working on needs to stand on it's own merits.

Money doesn't care if you hate SJW's. SJW's suck and we can do it better and wipe the floor with those pussies is something I will give money to.

But money doesn't feel sorry for conservatives, traditionalists, or any other group that has been getting their balls shoved down their throats since the 60's.

Money doesn't care that their are starving people in the world then it isn't worried about someone getting shadow banned on Twitter.

Yes I am personifying money.

Money is almost a mystical thing; just read VD and Nate talk about the nature of money in their debate; it can make your head spin.

We don't love money, we don't serve money, we don't put our hope in money. But we use it and need to understand it.

Reagan.com was stupid. Money didn't reward reagan.com

A Twitter for conservatives will not be rewarded by money either.

Better than Twitter could be rewarded by money. Not allowing SJW's to take over makes money happy. Let SJW's take over and money will punish you.

Anonymous FrankNorman February 20, 2016 6:50 PM  

"Why don't conservatives and other non-Leftists build their own things?"

The answer is that we do. In fact, everything that's there was built by people like us. The Lefties and SJW's invent nothing. All they ever do is infiltrate and hijack what better people than themselves have built.

Blogger Groot February 20, 2016 7:15 PM  

@40. Cash is mystified by money.

Anonymous That Would Be Telling February 20, 2016 7:19 PM  

@39 VD:

What would happen if it were going somewhere.

It wouldn't look and operate exactly the same as it did ten years ago.


Significantly worse, actually. 10 years ago real experts were still willing to contribute, before they learned the hard way that their opinions meant nothing to the mob.

10 years ago the site wasn't overrun by vandals who use any Wikilawyer excuse to erase other people's hard work (I realized that was a terrible problem when I read someone commenting on a talk page that they'd extend some content about battleship armor if they had any confidence it would stay in the article).

10 years there weren't a legion of people waiting to pounce on and speedily delete any new article they thought they could get away with, most infamously illustrated by a skeleton article Wales started about a particular pub.

All this is well shown by the declining number of editors.

Blogger Jeff Weimer February 20, 2016 7:35 PM  

@24 "Bingo. Sums up my experience with Republican organizations and activism to a tee. You bring them new ideas, and either they can't grasp them, are averse to change, are benefiting from the status quo, are terrified of potential bad PR, or they love the idea but refuse to help you do anything with it - because on the sly they're giving your idea and a big chunk of cash to an incompetent nephew/insider to do a half-baked doomed-to-fail implementation."

@FilmLadd, is that you?

Anonymous VFM 4388 February 20, 2016 8:24 PM  

"The purpose of liberals is to go on making mistakes, and the purpose of conservatives is to prevent mistakes from being corrected."

- Chesterton

Blogger Doktor Jeep February 20, 2016 8:25 PM  

Long have I pondered how Twitter could be replaced. And I see how Youtube makes $$ for users. Gives me ideas... give a user some ability to profit of make a few bucks off their own "time line" and Twitter is dead when that opens up.

Alas I am buy one limited man, one of the last in my circles to have a full time job, and involved in another software project that leftoids will hate. I don't have the web skills. I do have some $$ I can donate to an endeavor, as I have done before.

Blogger tz February 20, 2016 10:27 PM  

And finally, conservatives tend to be paralyzed by the fear that someone, somewhere, might make money from their efforts.

There is more detail.

Someone might GPL code, yet it is used in violation to make money.

Someone might make money without ANY attribution or anything else (epautos.com started posting gay porn so that a cloning site would have problems).

I've already noted the anarcholibertarian position that IP is invalid, and the only one who is actually honest is Stephen Molyneaux.

Our host has published much, and I'm not aware of a single work that is not locked down. These are literary, but code is parallel.

Blogger Doc Rampage February 20, 2016 11:05 PM  

You have it exactly backwards. It's the Left that likes copyleft because copyleft make it hard to profit from the software. Libertarians and conservatives tend to prefer BSD-style open source, which has virtually no restrictions on how someone can use the software.

It's the Left that is driven by envy and greed, not conservatives:

Left: envy, greed, (hatred)
Conservatives: justice, propriety, (resentment)
libertarians: pride, rationality
Alt-right: clannishness, loyalty, (spite)

The words in parenthesis are not inherent characteristics of the group, but are prominent in the current environment.

The Left is always talking egalitarian, but a Leftist never passes up a chance to get ahead of his fellows and they are always trying to create hierarchies with themselves on top. This is because they only want egalitarianism due to envy--they don't want anyone to have an advantage they don't have.

Everyone hates conservatives for being unreliable political partners. The reason is that their primary loyalty is not to a group but to abstract principles like justice, and they will follow their idea of justice even at the group's expense, or even at their own expense.

Libertarians are drawn to their beliefs in large part because they think that starting on a completely level playing field, they would come out near the top. Many of them are right--they tend to be intelligent and well-educated. But their pride in their own ability makes them unable to sympathize with the fact that most people need social support of various kinds.

As to the alt-right, it is clannishness and spite that drives someone on the alt-right to capriciously insult conservatives in a message where they might instead be finding common ground and help in a common cause, driving them away instead of inviting them to help.

Anonymous Red Comet February 20, 2016 11:59 PM  

Some alternatives popped up in the face of mass censorship. 8chan got started after 4chan quieted talk about Gamergate. Voat got started by some Scandanavian dude after all those sub-reddits were closed for crimethink.

Anonymous Alsos February 21, 2016 12:38 AM  

@43: "@FilmLadd, is that you?"

Nope.

Blogger Doc Rampage February 21, 2016 2:35 AM  

You have it exactly backwards. It's the Left that likes copyleft because copyleft make it hard to profit from the software. Libertarians and conservatives tend to prefer BSD-style open source, which has virtually no restrictions on how someone can use the software.

It's the Left that is driven by envy and greed, not conservatives:

Left: envy, greed, (hatred)
Conservatives: justice, propriety, (resentment)
libertarians: pride, rationality
Alt-right: clannishness, loyalty, (spite)

The words in parenthesis are not inherent characteristics of the group, but are prominent in the current environment.

The Left is always talking egalitarian, but a Leftist never passes up a chance to get ahead of his fellows and they are always trying to create hierarchies with themselves on top. This is because they only want egalitarianism due to envy--they don't want anyone to have an advantage they don't have.

Everyone hates conservatives for being unreliable political partners. The reason is that their primary loyalty is not to a group but to abstract principles like justice, and they will follow their idea of justice even at the group's expense, or even at their own expense.

Libertarians are drawn to their beliefs in large part because they think that starting on a completely level playing field, they would come out near the top. Many of them are right--they tend to be intelligent and well-educated. But their pride in their own ability makes them unable to sympathize with the fact that most people need social support of various kinds.

As to the alt-right, it is clannishness and spite that drives someone on the alt-right to capriciously insult conservatives in a message where they might instead be finding common ground and help in a common cause, driving them away instead of inviting them to help.

Blogger VD February 21, 2016 4:31 AM  

Everyone hates conservatives for being unreliable political partners. The reason is that their primary loyalty is not to a group but to abstract principles like justice, and they will follow their idea of justice even at the group's expense, or even at their own expense.

Which is why I have no interest in finding common ground with them. They are worse than useless; it would be a mistake to rely upon them because they are unreliable.

If they want to help because what I'm doing will better serve their abstract principles than the alternatives, fine, but I'm not going to depend upon them because I don't trust them one little bit. I will place my trust in those who have shown they have my back and will not bug out the first time they don't completely approve of me.

Blogger Paul Geerts February 21, 2016 10:58 AM  

No we can't deplatform SJWs. Social Media is the worst thing to ever happen to SJWs because their moonbattery is public for all to see. We must find a way to combat their narrative by demeaning it through satire and outright abuse. Like shining a magnifying glass on an ant.

Anonymous Anonymous February 21, 2016 12:03 PM  

Larry Sanger's Citizendium has a community of fewer than 100 active members and is completely irrelevant. So much for "vision".

Anonymous Fox Hunter February 23, 2016 1:09 AM  

Hello, how about already existing social media sites like Roust, which is designed for controversial issues or MeWe which is supposed to be for privacy, another alternative might be VK, which is the Russian version of Facebook.

Anonymous Fox Hunter February 23, 2016 1:21 AM  

One thing about the liberals/socialists/secular humanists, they have no qualms about cheating against us. Maybe it is about time we started cheating against them as well.

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