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Friday, February 19, 2016

Winning the war on free speech

Mike Cernovich has launched the Kickstarter for his documentary Silenced: Our War on Free Speech:

Things are different than they used to be. We all know the feeling of dread when posting or talking about something controversial, and this dread has silenced us. It’s not censorship. The government isn’t doing it. We are. To ourselves. Across business, education, politics, and entertainment. Many comedians are even refusing to tour college campuses due to the sensibilities of students, and posting one wrong Tweet can get you fired from a job - or worse.

I'm a backer. I'd encourage you to have a look and consider doing the same.

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Blogger Florian Ulrich February 19, 2016 5:13 PM  

Ryan Holiday had an interesting blog post today, in which he quoted "Fahrenheit 451":

“You must understand that our civilization is so vast that we can’t have our minorities upset and stirred. Ask yourself, What do we want in this country above all? People want to be happy, isn’t that right?…Colored people don’t like Little Black Sambo. Burn it. White people don’t feel good about Uncle Tom’s Cabin. Burn it. Someone’s written a book on tobacco and cancer of the lungs? The cigarette people are weeping? Burn the book. Serenity, Montag. Peace, Montag. Take your fight outside. Better yet, to the incinerator.”

http://observer.com/2015/09/the-real-reason-we-need-to-stop-trying-to-protect-everyones-feelings/

Anonymous Rhodie February 19, 2016 5:27 PM  

It sort of begs the question, what do some people want to say but aren't for fear of backlash?

Blogger Sun Xhu February 19, 2016 5:30 PM  

@2 The truth.

Anonymous JN February 19, 2016 5:34 PM  

@2 manny pacquiao

Blogger John Wright February 19, 2016 5:36 PM  

"It sort of begs the question, what do some people want to say but aren't for fear of backlash?"

Christ died; Christ is risen; Christ will come again.

Every other hated and feared truth that the Mind Control lovers love to silence are some variation or logical derivation of that, because of Christ will come again, all lives matter not black lives only; and marriage is between one man and one woman; and sodomy is an abomination; and Mohammedanism is not a real religion but a hateful and satanic parody of religion; and all humans have rights, the most obvious of which is, the rights to life, liberty and property; which implies a right to self-defense' which implies a right not to allow hordes of headchopping infidels into the nation, and so on and so on.

Everything the liberals hate, they hate because ultimately they hate Christ. Everything they want to silence ultimately they want to silence because their ears shrivel at the sound of the Word of God.

Anonymous Ezekiel Cassandros February 19, 2016 5:56 PM  

$16k of $10k pledged on day 1.
That is... Impressive.

Blogger VD February 19, 2016 6:08 PM  

It sort of begs the question, what do some people want to say but aren't for fear of backlash?

Race matters. Social justice isn't justice. Immigration is invasion. And much more.

Anonymous VFM #6306 February 19, 2016 6:12 PM  

@2 Tyson Fury.

Oh, he says it. But he is attacked for it like crazy.

Think about that. We live in an age when bloodsport entertainers are expected to believe meek things and never spit fire.

The generation of this is damned.

Blogger budbrewer February 19, 2016 6:17 PM  

John Wright: spot on, bro.

Anonymous Rhodie February 19, 2016 6:31 PM  

Why does it sound like you would all like there to be no consequences for opinions others don't agree with?

That's not possible.

Look around. Right here at this blog the opinions of others are mocked, disregarded and made fun of. Do you expect others to lay off you when they disagree?

What a bunch of whiners.

Anonymous Rhodie February 19, 2016 6:34 PM  

John Wright:

It is possible not to"hate Christ" but simply not believe in his divinity or many of the arbitrary demands the imaginary God makes.

Anonymous Dedicating Ruckus February 19, 2016 6:35 PM  

Backed. This should be interesting to watch.

I know there's been some past history of SJWs attempting the appeal-to-amenable-authority on crowdfunding sites to get offending projects taken down. I wonder if they'll try anything along those lines here? Or would the irony just be too choking even for them?

Blogger traderdoc February 19, 2016 6:50 PM  

Political correctness is pure tyranny. Tyranny that is supposedly for the good of everyone.

I see it as the reason so many college students support Sanders. They are used to, and completely support, tyranny.

Anonymous Discard February 19, 2016 6:58 PM  

Rhodie: Liberalism does not punish people for their honest opinions. Period. That is the defining trait of liberalism. Their claim was that falsehood should be opposed by truth, not by silencing. Now, those who claim to be liberal do punish others for their opinions, they do silence others. Not merely mocking, ignoring, or ridiculing, but getting people fired, doxxing, and creating rules and even laws prohibiting free speech.

No one here is unwilling to debate ideas. Let those who disagree with us argue their views, if they can take time away from their whining in their safe spaces.

Anonymous Dave February 19, 2016 7:18 PM  

Rhodie wrote:It sort of begs the question, what do some people want to say but aren't for fear of backlash?

This is amusing. In the previous thread is mention of a Scotsman that was just arrested under the Communications Act for posting something on Facebook. Shall we assume he did not fear a backlash?

Anonymous Sorry, Bro February 19, 2016 7:34 PM  

@11

Hey Rhodie. Remember when DiCaprio pissed off that bear? If not, I daresay you may have a chance to at least sample the experience, at least I hope so.

Anonymous Ezekiel Cassandros February 19, 2016 7:51 PM  

Rhodie wrote:Look around. Right here at this blog the opinions of others are mocked, disregarded and made fun of. Do you expect others to lay off you when they disagree?

Haha haha, this moron thinks the behavior we object to is mockery and disrespect.

Idiot lying SJW can't tell the difference between "saying something that hurts somebody's feelings" and "literal, actual slander."

Anonymous Rhodie February 19, 2016 7:52 PM  

Discard,

Your big L Liberalism point is a red herring. You or Vox Day or anyone else are at liberty to say whatever you want about anyone, save for libel laws. You just want to whine when others push back.

If I've got a person on my staff and it comes to my attention that he is saying disparaging and highly offensive things about various groups and bringing disrepute to my company why shouldn't I can him?

You guys are just pissed you have lost the argument with most people and you are whining.

Anonymous Obvious February 19, 2016 8:05 PM  

I expect this to be even better than The Sarkeesian Effect!

Blogger VFM #7191 February 19, 2016 8:06 PM  

Rhodie wrote:You guys are just pissed you have lost the argument with most people and you are whining.

There was no argument to begin with. You "won" by silencing the opposition.

Blogger Lovekraft February 19, 2016 8:10 PM  

@ 18 "If I've got a person on my staff and it comes to my attention that he is saying disparaging and highly offensive things about various groups and bringing disrepute to my company why shouldn't I can him?"

It's bad enough that political correctness has seeped into every facet of our lives so that even close family will shun someone for badthink, we have the work environment to navigate.

Work should be about the bottom line, one's productivity and contribution. NOT about his opinions. And since there is still a semblance of freedom of expression (for now, since millenials are lining up for the Sandershandouts), one should expect a certain freedom.

It is the thin-skinned special snowflakes that should be on the defensive, Rhodie. They are the ones poisoning the work environment, taking up time, money and energy policing badthink.

You try to qualify your justification with "bring disrepute" but I say to you, is this fine by you? Fine that we allow a tiny minority of sjws to dictate adult conversation?

There are many problems today which require tough minds. Dancing around the Regressives only makes them worse.

Blogger Cataline Sergius February 19, 2016 8:19 PM  

Okay, I'm in.

Anonymous Shorty February 19, 2016 8:24 PM  

"If I've got a person on my staff and it comes to my attention that he is saying disparaging and highly offensive things about various groups and bringing disrepute to my company why shouldn't I can him?"

If he is a productive member of his profession and contributes to the success of your business, the better question is why should you? The backlash from keeping "offensive" people on your payroll isn't nearly as harmful or damaging as SJWs, or even conservative outrageists for that matter, want to believe they are.

Chic-fil-A is doing fine. HBO is doing fine. Walmart is doing fine. Rolling Stone is doing fine. Etc, etc, and etc.

Anonymous Takin' a Look February 19, 2016 8:24 PM  

@ Florian Ulrich

Very good quote

@ John Wright

sodomy is an abomination

I agree, "For their wine was the venom of asps and their grapes of gall"

Wormwood and opium are valuable medicine, evil beyond evil when used as stupefactions. Our Lord Christ spat out those vinegar waters when he was on the cross for good reason.

Blogger Doktor Jeep February 19, 2016 8:25 PM  

"Free speech" is a dangerous and stupid concept.

How "free" is it really? We claim that many soldiers died for it, yet claim it's "free".

Suppose you had a seminar where you gave out a book for free. After the event, how many copies of the book would you find left on chairs? How many in the restroom? How many in the parking lot.

Imagine the same book that cost a few bucks. How many would you find abandoned or lost then?

"Free" speech? Bullshit. Taking something down to the value of "free" is to make it worthless.


Think of the leftoids. How "free" is their speech? Very free. That's why they can abuse it and use it to destroy freedom. But what you are seeing is a kind of welfare: their speech is "paid for". Paid for by foundations, leftoids millionaires, and a complete media-academia complex on their side. This is why we can speak of liberty until it kills us but someone complaining about their male pattern baldness and thick ankles getting strange looks in the women's restroom is signal boosted as if the world was going to end over it.

This is how the leftoids use "free speech". It's really their term. They KNOW it's not free, that's why they hijacked it, but they keep pushing the idea, pretending it's free, while making it unfree for everybody else.

Every, and anybody else who could lose everything for saying the wrong thing. How "free" is speech for that person?

I hate leftists. Pinochet is starting to look like a hero to me. But for the love of God, we need to drop this dangerous leftspeak notion of "Free" speech. Speech costs us. They make it cost us. And so people go about NOT seeing the rigged game, and thinking there is no game, until they are getting their lives ruined. It's like expecting a restraining order to keep a killer at bay, it's like expecting a corrupt state to treat a constitution written on paper to stop tyranny.

As soon as we realize how un-free speech is, and who is behind that, the more value we will have for it, and the more we will expect to have to fight for it, instead of sitting around wondering why things get worse, why news of global financial collapse gets hardly a tweet but hey, look at this 6 year old boy transforming into a girl! It's the big thing right now! When we start to expect a fight over "free" speech, we are better prepared for battle.

(I get the same sperging cringe reaction when people calling themselves "patriots" or liberty lovers say how much they are for "democracy")


Blogger VD February 19, 2016 8:26 PM  

If I've got a person on my staff and it comes to my attention that he is saying disparaging and highly offensive things about various groups and bringing disrepute to my company why shouldn't I can him?

You shouldn't be able to can him unless I can fire someone for saying he voted for Obama. Or because he says he's attracted to a man. Or because he wants to celebrate Shabbos. Or because Black Lives Matter. Or because she says you're going to Hell if you don't vote for Hillary Clinton.

All we demand is a level playing field. Either all speech is protected or no speech is protected. Your side, as always, wants some speech to be more equal than others.

Anonymous Rhodie February 19, 2016 8:27 PM  

VFM,
What did you do during the culture wars?

Blogger VD February 19, 2016 8:28 PM  

Why does it sound like you would all like there to be no consequences for opinions others don't agree with?

Because you have failed to understand the issue. You want to be able to impose consequences for speech you disagree with, while forcibly preventing others from doing the same.

That is unfair. That is wrong. That is evil.

Anonymous Shorty February 19, 2016 8:30 PM  

If it's done as a representative of the company and does not pertain to the company's goals or operations, fine. Keep your opinions to yourself until you clock out.

If it's a personal opinion with zero work connection and it's only known after it's leaked/discovered ex post facto, firing a contributing and productive worker for "offensive" remarks because someone else said so is cowardice.

Blogger Jon M February 19, 2016 8:33 PM  

@18 So you are in favor of an employer being able to fire anyone who advocates for the overturning of Obergefell v. Hodges, then? Or anyone who expresses support for "abortion rights" (sic)? Or are you just the same-old hypocrite to which we've grown accustomed?

You may have had some success at silencing the vast majority of people who engage in crimethink, but *you're* the one one whining when *we* push back.

@5, Dang man, that's pretty powerful stuff. Well said.

Anonymous Rhodie February 19, 2016 8:35 PM  

VD

What happens when my employee all of a sudden takes to saying truly vile things about purple people on the public sidewalk outside my Purple People Things store and purple people along with those sympathetic to purple people stop coming to my purple people Thinhs store. They demand he be fired. Then the newspaper reports on my employee. To top it off, I vehemently oppose the things the guy is saying and conclude that not only has his actions severely damaged my stores reputation, but I also conclude that with such an attitude, he can't possibly properly serve Purple People as my store seeks to do.

Blogger Jon M February 19, 2016 8:39 PM  

"VFM,
What did you do during the culture wars?"

You are stupid enough to enter a thread where the VFM are lending financial aid to the Good Guys in the culture wars...and insinuate that they aren't doing anything in the culture wars.

I've seen enough, somebody call Uber and see if they have a short bus in the area, we've got a live one here!

Anonymous Rhodie February 19, 2016 8:40 PM  

What should I do when a purple person comes into my store looking for a Whippido and my employee goes over to help them and tells them, in the course of discussing the weather, "you Purple people ought to be deported, if not put in jail for what you e done to anger the Weather God."

Anonymous Rhodie February 19, 2016 8:43 PM  

Jon,
Buck up and discover the context.

Blogger Vincent Castrillo February 19, 2016 8:45 PM  

VD Umberto Eco passed away today. Loved his work and know you were a huge fan. I'm sure you would find out shortly, but I thought I'd put it out there.

Anonymous Takin' a Look February 19, 2016 8:55 PM  

@ Rhodie

It is a conundrum. If my employee said "we should have picked our own damn cotton". "Green people like me are so evil and rayciss, our privilege keeps you down, we need to segregate!" I'd LMAO in private and know that's a sh!tlord.

But a typical nascent bigot? He's gonna screw my business. He is on the same level as the Bundys up in that Oregon Wildlife Refuge protesting the double-jeopardy Fed land wildfire charges. The local whites, red indians, sheriff and even the rancher family were ALL against them.

Anonymous Eric the Red February 19, 2016 9:08 PM  

@18, @30...
The issue here that you want to obfuscate and ultimately silence, is that mental defectives such as yourelves can make endless specious indirect linkages between what a person says and anything else situated at some indeterminate indirect point removed in space or time. This is the same nonsense perpetrated by the Suprement Court regarding what constitutes or is impacted by the Commerce Clause. These specious assumptions that something is truly indirectly impacted by what a person says are (1) always improbable and unproved, (2) essentially consitute prior restraint, and (3) ultimately irrelevant when compared against the primacy of the almost absolute right of true freedom of expression.

It also has nothing to do with your laughable canard to narrowly frame it as simply faux limitations on governmental action. If freedom of speech doesn't apply to all segments of society at all times, then it means nothing. Neither the government nor a business nor an organization has any right whatsoever to control one of its member as to what they can think or write or say when he is not directly on the premises nor directly on its timeclock. How in the hell do you think unions ever came into existence? They haven't always been legal, you know? They didn't organize within the confines of a company's time or physical plant.

You conveneietly forget that back in the deep dark prehistory of the 60's your kind did everything it could to push for a "Free Speech Movement" that allowed you to say the most vile, reprehensible and destructive things, and because the so-called Establishment back then truly believed in free speech, they did nothing to stop you. But now that you've finally gained power over the rest of us, now that you are the Establishment, you care nothing for such principles, and instead do everything to silence even a hint of opposition. This proves you are nothing but worthless little power-hungry totalitarians.

You are not an idiot, you are an enemy spouting lies in order to gain more tyrannical power. The time is coming... You.Will.Get.What.You.Deserve.

Blogger VD February 19, 2016 9:10 PM  

VD Umberto Eco passed away today. Loved his work and know you were a huge fan. I'm sure you would find out shortly, but I thought I'd put it out there.

RIP. I'm truly sorry to hear that. I was even reading what now appears to have been his last book.

Blogger Krul February 19, 2016 9:17 PM  

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Anonymous Littlest Hellhound February 19, 2016 9:18 PM  

@Rhodie

The reality is that a bigot against Purple People of the magnitude you describe wouldn't work at a Purple People store. The same reason that pro-lifers wouldn't work at an abortion clinic.

The 'real' situation is that your employee makes an ill-advised tweet that wouldn't offend anyone reasonable, but three professional Purple People activists claim to be psychologically damaged by his words. Moreover, they lie and distort what he said, causing a human outcry on Twitter.

The implications of this is that no one dare say anything that could conceivably offend a Purple People activist with a grudge. Infact they daren't talk about Purple People at all, even to discuss political issues of reasonable public interest.

Anonymous Littlest Hellhound February 19, 2016 9:37 PM  

@32 In the situation you describe here, the problem is not that your employee has a problem with Purple People. The problem is that your employee is a dick. No one in a customer-facing role insults the customer.

Your employee's out-of-work political views should be his own.

Anonymous BigGayKoranBurner February 19, 2016 10:25 PM  

highly offensive things about various groups and bringing disrepute to my company why shouldn't I can him?You guys are just pissed you have lost the argument with most people and you are whining.

White female nurse fired for no reason, she looked up stuff for an outside doctor that came in, was summerarlyl fired for HIPAA violation, then offered her job back after they contacted the doctor. Same place nigger with only high school diploma caught looking at my patient's records from the week before a DOA felon shot dead by cops, multiple witnesses hear groid say x-rays prove cops be lying doesn't understand bullets move around in body, GROID could not understand a billiards analogy that an 8yo white child could. GROID NOT FIRED. You act like you would fire a groid for the same reasons & know you wouldn't.

Anonymous Anthony February 20, 2016 12:05 AM  

Rhodie wrote "Why does it sound like you would all like there to be no consequences for opinions others don't agree with?

That's not possible.

Look around. Right here at this blog the opinions of others are mocked, disregarded and made fun of. Do you expect others to lay off you when they disagree?"

I've never read Vox, or any of the regulars here, argue that their opinions shouldn't be open to mockery or disregard of being made fun of. From what I've read, they're perfectly accepting of those consequences coming from people who disagree with their opinions. So I see no legitimate basis to your "whiners" criticism of Vox and his regulars.

What Vox and the regulars here object to is the highly excessive consequence of people losing their jobs for this reason. In the very extreme scenarios you brought up, the core problem isn't holding controversial opinions, the core problem is a complete lack of professionalism and just all-around poor customer service. Lack of professionalism and poor customer service are legitimate reasons to fire someone - ideological purity tests are not (unless your company is actually all about promoting a particular political stand - i.e. You're the Cato Institute, or something in that vein).

Now, here's a counter-scenario that's closer to what's typically true in real life than your extreme scenarios are - You have a generally good employee that has served you and your company well. Your employee is a proud Donald Trump supporter, and has made Tweets objecting to illegal immigration, arguing that the government needs to do more to stop illegal immigration. On this basis alone, a few thin-skinned people call you up and demand that you fire this employee.

Do you think your good employee should be fired just because he supports Donald Trump and is against illegal immigration, and a few thin-skinned people are up in arms about it?

Blogger Jon M February 20, 2016 1:49 AM  

"Buck up and discover the context."

Yeah, I know the context. You guy's grip on the narrative is becoming as slippery as your grip on reality. Time to crank up the tunes and bust out the good old fashioned Double Down Two Step. Yeeeeehaw!

Anonymous Discard February 20, 2016 3:52 AM  

18. Rhodie: What your employee thinks and says after hours is none of your business.

My point about liberalism is bedrock truth. The freedom to hold and to argue for your own views on your own time is the essence of liberalism. You can be a socially conservative liberal, a homosexual liberal, a socialist liberal, a libertarian liberal, or a racist liberal, as long as you will let the others have their say.

You, OTOH, have shown your hand. You favor tyranny, and we all know it.

BTW, is Rhodie short for Rhodes scholar?

Anonymous Discard February 20, 2016 4:07 AM  

How come it's a threat to liberty when a corporation donates money to a candidate, but not when they fire you for your opinions expressed in your own home, on your own time, on your own computer?

Blogger BunE22 February 20, 2016 4:57 AM  

I donated. It's up to 20K last I saw.

Anonymous Rhodie February 20, 2016 8:31 AM  

Discard,
What if what they do directly harms my business, my livelihood and that of my employees?

Blogger Jon M February 20, 2016 12:22 PM  

Rhodie, in today's world the answer to that question depends entirely on which side of the political aisle you call home. That is this thread's lament, and it is the critical fact you are too blinded by ideology to even sense let alone understand.

Blogger 1337kestrel February 20, 2016 1:16 PM  

Rhodie,
Brendan Eich did nothing to harm his organization or employees, but he was forced out.

I know you secretly think all right-wing thought is inherently harmful and subject to a pre-emptive strike, but I'll only address your stated opinion because we, unlike you, make an attempt at honest debate.

When a small group of activists create an artificial public backlash against someone like Eich or Chic-Fil-A, the company may be justified (but pusillanimous and cowardly) for firing that person for their free speech. The activists? The two or three people who were genuinely offended and participated in the lynch mob? They're either going to hell, or they will look back on their wasted lives in the moment before eternal oblivion and despair, which is much the same thing.

All barbarians create is nothing, even when they think it's something.

Blogger Jon M February 20, 2016 3:04 PM  

Rhodie, in today's world the answer to that question depends entirely on which side of the political aisle you call home. That is this thread's lament, and it is the critical fact you are too blinded by ideology to even sense let alone understand.

Blogger Lovekraft February 20, 2016 3:06 PM  

Remember Vox's words when an sjw inevitably says "hey we are trying to debate with you but you people can't even ... (this is going out to you Roadie).

Vox, like most of us here, know Rule # 1 of sjws applies in this case. No, regressives have never honestly and openly allowed debate. Their standard tactic is to shut down dissent.

So unless you are with us, Roadie, go back to your Twitter echo-chamber or come here with a sincere desire to hear our voices.

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