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Wednesday, March 02, 2016

An enemy of the Alt Right

The Littlest Chickenhawk declares himself in the Jewish Journal. It's a pretty good article, but perhaps revealed more than he intended.
Even the revolt against political correctness wouldn’t be enough to put Trump in position to break apart the Republican Party, however. Republicans have railed against political correctness for years — Trump isn’t anything new in that, although he’s certainly more vulgar and blunt than others. No, what truly separates Trump from the rest of the Republican crowd is that he’s a European-style nationalist.

Republicans are American exceptionalists. We believe that America is a unique place in human history, founded upon a unique philosophy of government and liberty. That’s why we’re special and why we have succeeded. In his own way, Trump believes in American exceptionalism much like Barack Obama does — as a term to describe parochial patriotism. Obama infamously remarked in 2009, “I believe in American exceptionalism, just as I suspect that the Brits believe in British exceptionalism and the Greeks believe in Greek exceptionalism.” Obama meant that dismissively — American exceptionalism is just something we do because we’re American, not because we’re actually special. But Trump means it proudly. His nationalism is a reaction to Obama’s anti-nationalism. It says: “Barack Obama may think America isn’t worthy of special protection because we’re not special. Well, we’re America, damn it, even if we don’t know what makes us special.” According to Trump, we ought to operate off of the assumption that Americans deserve better lives not because they live out better principles or represent a better system, but because they’re here.

This sort of nationalism resembles far more the right-wing parties of Europe than the historical Republican Party. The Republican Party has stood for embrace of anyone who will embrace American values; extreme European right-wing parties tend to embrace people out of ethnic allegiance rather than ideological allegiance. Trump uncomfortably straddles that divide. His talk about limiting immigration has little to do with embrace of American values and much more to do with “protecting” Americans from foreigners — even highly educated foreigners willing to work in the United States without taking benefits from the tax system. It’s one thing to object to an influx of people who disagree with basic constitutional values. But Trump doesn’t care about basic constitutional values. He simply opposes people coming in who aren’t us. There’s a reason so many of his supporters occupy the #altright portion of the Internet, which traffics in anti-Semitism and racism.
It's not an accident that Ben Shapiro sounded like an SJW when he said that racists should be hunted down and their careers destroyed. Shapiro is no friend to the right. He's as cuckservative and anti-right as anyone at National Review. He's not stupid, and he's not on our side. At the end of the day, he'll line up with the globalists in the bifactional ruling party and against the American nationalists.

I never thought much about his columns at WorldNetDaily back when we were both writing for them; my readership there was literally ten times his own. But they were harmless, little more than parroting whatever the received wisdom of the conservative movement happened to be at the time. If they weren't the best columns there, they weren't the worst either. I was mildly amused when they were picked up by Creators Syndicate for syndication.

Since then, Shapiro has observably raised his game. He's not bad, either in print or on television. But he isn't genuinely of the right at all. He's actually part of the Fake Right, the Neoconservatives, the self-appointed heirs to William F. Buckley, who have appointed themselves Republican "opinion leaders" in order to keep the respectable right from departing too far from what they deem to be acceptable. If he is correct, and the Republican Party is dying, he's not going to join the American nationalist successor party.

An ally does not attack you. An ally praises your good points and remains silent in public about what he perceives as your defects. An ally always looks to benefit you rather than harm you. An ally comes to your defense even when he believes you are wrong. An ally takes shots for you that he knows he can withstand more readily than you.

And that is how we know that Ben Shapiro, for all his legitimate merits, is neither a friend nor an ally of the Alt Right.

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Blogger Dirtnapninja March 02, 2016 11:30 AM  

In America II: The Brownening, politics will be increasingly based around ethnic lines. The Jews will have to accept a place as junior partners in Team White or Team Black instead of influencing everyone.

Sometimes you get what you want, but don't want what you get.

Blogger newanubis March 02, 2016 11:36 AM  

Not only is the emporerer (and sycophants) naked, lately he seems to be peering upon with the brown eye. Even the pretense of honor or respect is not even present. Add anti-American Shapiro to the traitor's list.

OpenID gnossoss March 02, 2016 11:37 AM  

Had an interesting conversation with a liberal type the other day. I mentioned that by having open borders, a government would be failing at the absolute most basic function of any government, i.e. protecting its people from outsiders.

He seemed to not have ever even considered this. I asked him what he thought the most fundamental function of government was, and he said "policing the governed people."

Peace and plenty really do seem to be assumed to always be there for a lot of people. It never seems to have occurred to him that there could be outside threats, and that governments out to protect their own from those threats. I suppose it's part of the rabbit-style philosophy of never fighting back or defending oneself, just running off to another part of the endless fields of green grass.

I think we'll be lucky of Trump turns out to be a European-style nationalist. I'm not sure that could even work here, but it would probably be a best-case scenario if it did.

Blogger Josh March 02, 2016 11:39 AM  

What does the alt right consist of?

Anonymous Crude March 02, 2016 11:39 AM  

It's not an accident that Ben Shapiro sounded like an SJW when he said that racists should be hunted down and their careers destroyed. Shapiro is no friend to the right. He's as cuckservative and anti-right as anyone at National Review. He's not stupid, and he's not on our side.

I intensely dislike Shapiro's apparent politics. I dislike his anti-Trump stance, his anti-nationalism stance.

But the man just faced down a near riot at a university because he called the bluff of the SJWs and spoke despite every attempt to crush him and anyone who speaks like him. That conviction to crush him came from the left, not the right.

I despise anti-nationalist sentiments, the commitment to free trade over protecting national interests, the opposition to America Firstism among Americans. For that reason alone, I really dislike Shapiro's politics.

But isn't some credit due here? It's like my views of New Atheists. I think the Cult of Gnu is an irrational joke, but when they take a swing in the name of Gamergate and against feminism, I have to say they get at least that much right. The same seems true with Shapiro.

Anonymous FitzRobert March 02, 2016 11:39 AM  

Again, Shapiro just another ethnic warrior using "conservatism" as squid ink. And why, in the name of all that's holy, do Americans not "deserve better lives...because they're here?" What is a state for if not to work to the advantage of its own citizens, especially within its own territory?

Blogger RobertT March 02, 2016 11:43 AM  

Too bad, so sad, but you're right.

Blogger Timmy3 March 02, 2016 11:44 AM  

"The Republican Party has stood for embrace of anyone who will embrace American values; extreme European right-wing parties tend to embrace people out of ethnic allegiance rather than ideological allegiance"

The truth is it is a bit of both. Ethnicity determines politics more often than not. So maybe Trump is more correct than not.

Blogger CM March 02, 2016 11:44 AM  

What is this American Exceptionalism?

From what I've seen in my lifetime (albeit short), we've had a progressive constituency triumphing European culture and politics. Let's be more like Europe!

Every election cycle, our policies look more and more like there's... except for the EU which directly mimiced the very worst of our modern political structure (centralized, beauracratized federal government).

There is nothing exceptional about America. We are just like Europe. So Trump being Euro-Nationalist is laughable.

Anonymous The Truth March 02, 2016 11:45 AM  

Donald Drumpf gives voice to their contempt for our beautiful diverse mosaic. Donald Drumpf mocks the poor, belittles his questioners, demonizes the immigrant, and eggs on his supporters to beat protesters in a display worth of the Third Reich. There, I said it.

There has always been an undercurrent of facism in the US that is not too far below the surface of everyday life. You don't have to scratch hard to find it. Obama's election provoked some of these under the rock dwellers to show themselves in the light. But Drumpf is unleashing a scary something that can take on a life of its own. We've seen it before, and it doesn't end well.

Blogger John Morris March 02, 2016 11:46 AM  

I have to dissent in part. Shapiro does good work attacking the Progressives. No I wouldn't like to elevate him to a senior leadership position, either in real political or even thought leader terms. Because of the objections stated.

But my bottom line is that I have "No Enemies On The Right" as a guiding policy.

Disagree, debate, perhaps a little trash talk when that is appropriate but no hostility unless directly fired upon. Anyone Right of center who can agree to that principle, that we won't shoot our own until we are done with the bigger fight, is worth leaving to let them do their thing.

We are vastly outnumbered and outgunned in a nightfall war against the very forces of darkness. Always remember that. And while the enemy of my enemy is not always a friend, they are almost always a potential ally.

Blogger Christopher Yost March 02, 2016 11:48 AM  

I support the ideals belief that Vox derides but I support Vox (more AND less) for the same reason I look forward to a Trump presidency: they'll at least make a fight of it against the counter-culture idiocy that's ruining our society.

And I only believe in mercy towards the bad guys for when they are destroyed.

Anonymous Steve March 02, 2016 11:51 AM  

Wait, so nationalism is bad now?

The solution for Jews is simple: Embrace nationalism. There is nothing wrong with nationalism, as long as that nationalism supports the right ideas. - Ben Shapiro

OK, he caveated with "right ideas". So what are the right ideas?

the patriotic American stands up for free speech and freedom of religion.

Seems like Trump does too. So what's the problem?

According to Trump, we ought to operate off of the assumption that Americans deserve better lives not because they live out better principles or represent a better system, but because they’re here.

Voters expect their own government to put their interests ahead of foreigners. European style nationalism shocker!

The Republican Party has stood for embrace of anyone who will embrace American values

All those natural conservatives in the Little Mogadishus, Little Juarezes, and Little Islamabads the US government has imported are gonna start voting Republican any day now!

Blogger Gaiseric March 02, 2016 11:51 AM  

There’s a reason so many of his supporters occupy the #altright portion of the Internet, which traffics in anti-Semitism and racism.

I'm starting to get really annoyed with guys like Shapiro constantly slinging around complaints of anti-Semitism and incipient Nazism... from exactly the same people who went to war to pull his people's sorry butts out of the Holocaust. Who the devil does he think he is to pull that kind of passive-aggressive, guilt-tripping nonsense on us? And why in the world have we (collectively) been so submissive that we've allowed it to stand?

Anonymous JAG March 02, 2016 11:52 AM  

I think SJWs secretly fap to Hitler. There, I said it.

Blogger James Dixon March 02, 2016 11:53 AM  

> There’s a reason so many of his supporters occupy the #altright portion of the Internet, which traffics in anti-Semitism and racism.

He just couldn't let it go without a claim of antisemitism, could he? I guess we know where his true loyalties lie.

Blogger VD March 02, 2016 11:54 AM  

But the man just faced down a near riot at a university because he called the bluff of the SJWs and spoke despite every attempt to crush him and anyone who speaks like him. That conviction to crush him came from the left, not the right.

Bolsheviks always want to shoot Mensheviks. He got an invite. Think they would ever invite me, or Cernovich, or Roosh, or Moldbug, or Sailer, or any right-wing thinker who actually matters?

But isn't some credit due here? It's like my views of New Atheists. I think the Cult of Gnu is an irrational joke, but when they take a swing in the name of Gamergate and against feminism, I have to say they get at least that much right. The same seems true with Shapiro.

I distrust those who want to hijack a lot more than those who directly oppose. Direct opposition is easily handle. Entryists require discretion.

But my bottom line is that I have "No Enemies On The Right" as a guiding policy.

You got the quote wrong. Kerensky's policy was "no enemies to the left". Shapiro practices the exact opposite. He attacks people to the right, which you may wish to note is something you have never seen me do.

Blogger Sevron March 02, 2016 11:54 AM  

The question I always ask these people is, why shouldn't America be run for the benefit of Americans?

Blogger Josh March 02, 2016 11:57 AM  

Moldbug

TRIGGERED

Anonymous Bagger Vance March 02, 2016 11:59 AM  

"Anti-Semitism" on the alt-right? My old school is mired in a fight with SJWs pushing BDS and other anti-Israel actions, and I don't think they're alone.

Anonymous Steve March 02, 2016 12:00 PM  

why shouldn't America be run for the benefit of Americans?

Because that's racist, duh! American exceptionalism means every street-shitting clit-snipper from Goatfuckistan who says he loves "American values" has the right to be your new neighbour.

It's what George Washington would have wanted.

Anonymous Jack Amok March 02, 2016 12:03 PM  

Republicans have railed against political correctness for years...

But never elected anyone who so openly mocked it.

And that's the gist of it. Cucks have talked the talk for years, but always backed down when push came to shove. That's one of the reasons "cuckservative" is such a great label: they're people who value the appearance of a marriage over the marriage itself. They'll let their wife cheat on them and raise her bastards so long as they get to call themselves husbands and fathers in public.

Or in Shapiro's case, maybe he's been the guy doing the cuckolding, and he's telling the cuck not to rock the boat, because throwing your cheating wife out on her ear would be un-American.

Anonymous VFM #6306 March 02, 2016 12:03 PM  

His braincase is so small. It will require a specially designed pike.

Blogger Nate March 02, 2016 12:04 PM  

"Think they would ever invite me, or Cernovich, or Roosh, or Moldbug, or Sailer, or any right-wing thinker who actually matters?"

Holy shit.

Did you just assert that Moldbug matters?

Anonymous #8601 Jean Valjean March 02, 2016 12:04 PM  

Are there any Jewish nationalists in America?

Blogger John Morris March 02, 2016 12:05 PM  

Saiseric Said, "m starting to get really annoyed with guys like Shapiro constantly slinging around complaints of anti-Semitism and incipient Nazism..."

Do you even alt-right? I'll cut a Jew some slack for looking at the alt-right and being worried. The stormfront element is getting a bit out of hand. I'll even concede the point that most Jews in the U.S. are progs, being self evident it would be idiocy to try to deny it. But that is the problem with racism, once you go there you have to reject allies just because of what they are racially. And they, rightly, react back.

This whole debate of American as idea vs blood misses the point. America as blood means SWPL progs are perfectly good. Guess what champ, they are running us off the cliff right now. They keep minorities as pets and run em into the booth on election day but raise your hand if you think the Congressional Black Caucus has any influence.

Race as a proxy for ideas might have a genetic basis but as a practical matter it is bogus since too many whites seem predisposed to Progressivism, Marxism and other insanity. We need America as an idea with teeth, a way to boot out heretics.

Blogger J Van Stry March 02, 2016 12:07 PM  

Call me crazy, but I always thought republicans were supposed to be people who believed in republics, or in the case of American Republicans, ones who believed in Constitutional Republics.
Guess I was wrong.

Blogger VD March 02, 2016 12:09 PM  

Did you just assert that Moldbug matters?

Sure. He has some interesting ideas. Often buried underneath a fog of words, but the ideas are there nevertheless.

Blogger James Dixon March 02, 2016 12:10 PM  

> Are there any Jewish nationalists in America?

Hmm. A loaded question with multiple possible interpretations. :)

There are nationalists in America who are Jews. It's just that the vast majority don't seem to be American nationalists.

Blogger VD March 02, 2016 12:11 PM  

We need America as an idea with teeth, a way to boot out heretics.

That doesn't work. We've already been over that. It's a self-contradiction. And most of those "Americans" who offend you are not Americans of the 1.0 variety anyhow. They're 2.0 Americans at best.

Anonymous Toddy Cat March 02, 2016 12:11 PM  

"Donald Drumpf gives voice to their contempt for our beautiful diverse mosaic"

This is a joke, right?

Blogger CM March 02, 2016 12:13 PM  

why shouldn't America be run for the benefit of Americans?

Because that's racist, duh!


The race card is so stupid with Trump. He considers "American" anyone who bears that legal distinction. He isn't deporting blacks, Hispanics, Muslims, or Jews who are legal citizens. Just the ones here against our laws.

Blogger J Van Stry March 02, 2016 12:14 PM  

@10 Yes, Fascism is always descending in America...
Yet somehow it always seems to land in Europe.

Blogger Sam Lively March 02, 2016 12:14 PM  

@5

Shapiro is very smart and has tremendous self-confidence. But he still has too much to gain from catering to the GOP establishment. But at this point he has no desire to go semi-Ronin like Steyn or Coulter. He would rather peel off readership from Breitbart with stunts against the most widely reviled examples of leftist excess, while toeing the party line on most GOP policies.

Blogger Sam Lively March 02, 2016 12:16 PM  

@25 Mickey Kaus.

Anonymous VFM #6306 March 02, 2016 12:16 PM  

@27 Yeah, you were dead wrong about that. The first Republican president established an Empire by force and suspended habeas corpus.

The Republican ideal is activist, and has very little to do with political ideals of conserving a republic. Free Soil Party was a more precise name.

Anonymous HoosierHillbilly March 02, 2016 12:16 PM  

"Fog of words?"

I read War and Peace faster. He needs someone to write pamphlets for him.

Anonymous #8601 Jean Valjean March 02, 2016 12:18 PM  

@29 James Dixon

Poor phrasing on my part! I should have said American nationalists who are also Jewish. There don't seem to be too many.

Ben is clearly not one.


Anonymous Steve March 02, 2016 12:20 PM  

The race card is so stupid with Trump.

Yes, but Trump is literally Hitler now.

OK, he hid it well for the first 68 years of his life, doing business with and employing people from all sorts of religious and racial backgrounds, and being cool with his daughter converting to Judaism, but...

He wants the US Government to enforce its own immigration laws.

Like... what the actual fuck? I can't even.

Benny says nationalism is great. Just not... you know... when Trump does it.

And he should know, he's probably the smartest boy in his class.

Anonymous Jack Amok March 02, 2016 12:24 PM  

I'm starting to get really annoyed with guys like Shapiro constantly slinging around complaints of anti-Semitism and incipient Nazism... from exactly the same people who went to war to pull his people's sorry butts out of the Holocaust.

Years ago I had this Jewish woman giving me a lecture on the Holocaust and we had to "never forget." I told her my uncle got shot by the Germans three different times while he was with the US Army saving her from the Nazis and that she should go lecture someone else.

Blogger James Dixon March 02, 2016 12:25 PM  

> Poor phrasing on my part! I should have said American nationalists who are also Jewish.

That's what I figured you meant. :) Yes, there are a few. There may be many amongst the rank and file Jewish population in the US. But you don't hear about them and they don't claim to speak for the population.

Anonymous Frank B Luke March 02, 2016 12:26 PM  

Someone sent me a link to an NRO article last night. It stated that there was no way to get a nominee without a brokered convention. It did not back that up. "The math is obvious to anyone." No, it's not.

I never trust mathematical statements that aren't backed up. I'm sure Christopher Hitchens would agree with that stance. :)

I'm not going to break the states down by the rules any more than winner-take-all and proportional. I left out "unbound" and "direct election" state. On a spreadsheet I calced the delegates remaining. First I gave everyone the winner take all states (no thinking on probablity of actually doing so, just run the table). No one goes over 1,237 from those. I then added in 30% from the proportional states. With those numbers, Trump goes over by more than 130.

Cruz is 120 shy. Rubio lacks almost 300.

And then there's that new rule about capturing a majority of delegates from 8 states. Cruz has 1. Trump has 5. That's where the winner-take-all states will be most delicious.

Someone with more time and inclination could break it down by the statewide polls.

Blogger Jon M March 02, 2016 12:27 PM  

"His talk about limiting immigration has little to do with embrace of American values and much more to do with “protecting” Americans from foreigners..."

The horror. Imagine a President more interested in protecting American citizens than the multinational corporations. How could the Republic survive such a thing?

Blogger dc.sunsets March 02, 2016 12:28 PM  

Cuckservatives are all acolytes in the Universalist Theocracy. Nationalism in heresy to them as it violates the central dogma of equalism.

Common sense tells us that opening the borders to all who aspire to US living standards is cultural suicide. This is obvious to Bubba in flyover country, but smug assholes like Shapiro have more than enough IQ-fueled sophistry to rationalize their way around anything so provincial as Common Sense.

Blogger Nate March 02, 2016 12:29 PM  

"Sure. He has some interesting ideas. Often buried underneath a fog of words, but the ideas are there nevertheless."

oh come on... this is the guy that really believes money comes from governments.

I suppose if we define the word interesting to include self-immolating forms of train wreck internet...

Blogger RobertT March 02, 2016 12:31 PM  

4. Josh. What does the alt right consist of?

I can tell you what it's not. >> Paul Ryan. Bushes. McCain. GOP. Establishment. National Review. MSM. Elites. Pundits. It's not a formal organization. It's a movement. The Conservative Right GOP hates it's guts, but'it's what I've been looking for my entire life. I feel at home with the alt right.

Blogger John Morris March 02, 2016 12:32 PM  

Vox said, "You got the quote wrong. Kerensky's policy was "no enemies to the left"."

Intentional. The original leads to a holiness spiral and a spiral to the Right probably wouldn't lead to a better end. I prefer to work with anyone right of center, even including those a bit to the left. In a war, it is all about addition to one's forces, not ever more strict purging of the ranks.

Blogger VD March 02, 2016 12:34 PM  

On a spreadsheet I calced the delegates remaining. First I gave everyone the winner take all states (no thinking on probablity of actually doing so, just run the table). No one goes over 1,237 from those. I then added in 30% from the proportional states. With those numbers, Trump goes over by more than 130.

Send me a state-by-state totals. I'd like to post it. Credited to you, of course.

Anonymous Takin' a Look March 02, 2016 12:35 PM  

Ben Shapiro really needs to rethink his words. The American Baking Championships aren't going to come from the Trumpers. No....we're a live and let live group of folks for the most part. We don't have that satanic zeal for tikkun olam so common with the Left....

....Hmm, there is a red diaper baby jew from vermont with YUGE support among college age LEFTIST kids. They've been busting their asses off for him only to see him suffer 90% losses to Rodan in the primaries to the Free SH!T Army. What happens when a Leftist is constantly betrayed?

The better question is, does he lose that desire to make Heaven on Earth? Or...does he channel it into another stream?

Blogger Christopher March 02, 2016 12:36 PM  

What do you think of David Frum these days?

I see him quoted --well, retweeted, really, with seeming approval by alt righters like Roissy.

I understand Frum was ahead of the curve on immigration, writing some pro-borders restrictionist stuff even as far back as the 90's on National Review.

But his 2003 'Unpatriotic Conservatives' article still irritates me.

Anonymous JP March 02, 2016 12:37 PM  

"Obama's election provoked some of these under the rock dwellers to show themselves in the light."

You mean like BLM?

Blogger VD March 02, 2016 12:39 PM  

I prefer to work with anyone right of center, even including those a bit to the left. In a war, it is all about addition to one's forces, not ever more strict purging of the ranks.

That's stupid. Never work with anyone who attacks you. They're not part of your forces; they're not even an ally.

You don't seem to grasp that we're not talking about purging heretics here. We're talking about not accepting those who openly and publicly attack us.

Blogger dc.sunsets March 02, 2016 12:40 PM  

Of course Trump is Hitler.

In the Progressivist Cult, the central dogmas are democracy and equality. Thou Shalt Not Offend. Thou Shalt Not Judge. Thou Shalt Prostrate Yourself if White. Thou Shalt Not Be Intolerant. Thou Shalt Not Think Unapproved Thoughts.

There is no god, but the Priest-philosophers include all the centralizing presidents (esp. Saint Lincoln and Saint Roosevelt) and we have our Satan, too.

Hitler. Notice that Hitler is always invoked in exactly the same place Satan would be in an explicitly Christian Theocracy. Progressivism ditched God, but retained all the underlying forms of theocracy.

Democracy is the universal state, a place where every aspect of human existence is fair game for political choice and utter regimentation down to the level of belief and thought. Differences of opinion do not exist; one is either a Believer or a Heretic, and all who blaspheme are immediately labeled Hitler.

Orwell didn't get it even half right. It's turtles almost all the way down.

What are schools now but theological seminaries. What happens to kids who shout "Trump, Trump, Trump" at a basketball game where the opposing team is mostly Mestizo immigrants? Exorcism! Get the OUT of our children, you SATAN!

Anonymous Don Quixote March 02, 2016 12:42 PM  

A neocon by another name is still a neocon. Shapiro is sharp. I find joy in watching him dismantle idiots in debates on YouTube.
That being said, the whole "guilt by association" is a lefty trick and below someone of his intelligence. He has made good points against Trump before, but this latest piece is just shameful. Yeah, white nationalists love Trump. Nation of Islam loved Obama, who gives a shit?
I've lost a lot of respect for Shapiro with this. He's 32 years old, he should know what pol is.

Blogger Hostem Populi March 02, 2016 12:42 PM  

How to derail an alt right dialogue: mention either Moldbug, Putin, or Roosh.

Though dropping any of those three names and gauging the reaction when you're talking to someone is a good way to eliminate that someone from the "to be taken seriously," category.

Anonymous BGKB March 02, 2016 12:42 PM  

To think I defended Shapiro during that Zoey Tur thing.

right-wing parties tend to embrace people out of ethnic allegiance rather than ideological allegiance

Try getting into Israel if under 1/4 jew.

even highly educated foreigners willing to work in the United States without taking benefits from the tax system

Didn't anyone tell Ben unicorns didn't get on the arc? On the off chance some smart guy from india comes he will bring negative asset family.

I think SJWs secretly fap to Hitler. There, I said it.

They will actually pay to lick boots.

I should have said American nationalists who are also Jewish.

Certainly not among the godless bacon eating c#cksucking jews I have meet.

OT: If you have been to Miami could you believe a latin America white powder smuggling story would be smuggling powdered milk in a socialist utopia?
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-02-29/how-bad-its-got-latin-americas-socialist-utopia

Anonymous JP March 02, 2016 12:43 PM  

Shapiro is right about one thing. When he gets all the ridiculous questions, he should ask the reporters why they didn't ask Obama about his support from Farrakhan, his former pastor being a 911 "truther" and conspiracy buff, etc. Not that journalists would start asking Democrats the hard questions, but at least the public would see the inconsistencies.

Blogger Josh March 02, 2016 12:43 PM  

That's stupid. Never work with anyone who attacks you. They're not part of your forces; they're not even an ally.

Does that also apply to the folks attacking the right for not being white nationalists?

Blogger John Wright March 02, 2016 12:43 PM  

" It never seems to have occurred to him that there could be outside threats, and that governments out to protect their own from those threats."

I once asked an ex-liberal about how liberals think. I asked her to think back about her old worldview and answer me a few questions about the liberal attitude toward enemies.

She said (speaking for her old and leftwing self): "Enemies? What Enemies?"

Leftism is like libertarianism: it is philosophy that assumes that the 'End of History' has already happened, the peace and prosperity are at hand, and that the only proper object of politics is reorganizing our own institutions, changing our own attitudes, in order to make everything better.

I have talked to liberals who seemed to think that the main point of the government was not stopping crime and invasion, but stopping racism and income inequality.

It is a different universe from the sane universe.

Blogger Salt March 02, 2016 12:45 PM  

John Morris wrote:We need America as an idea with teeth, a way to boot out heretics.

2A, its time is nearing.

Blogger alexamenos March 02, 2016 12:45 PM  

Sometimes I wish that many of the people saying that Americans shouldn't have any ethnic affection at all weren't quite so jewy.

Blogger The Other Robot March 02, 2016 12:45 PM  

Can anyone tell me how much Trump has spent on his bid so far?

It must be billions, right? And all he has for it is around 42% of the delegates so far ...

Oh, wait.

So, I guess that the Cuckservatives are hoping to keep him below 50% so they can swing a brokered convention.

Will Rubio and Cruz, the boys from Cuba, be able to keep it up?

Blogger Melampus the Seer March 02, 2016 12:46 PM  

Report to your Elders, Ben: as the words of your article pass over my eyes, I daydreamed of battle.

Blogger dc.sunsets March 02, 2016 12:47 PM  

In a war, it is all about addition to one's forces, not ever more strict purging of the ranks.

You say this right up until the fragmentation grenade rolls into your foxhole. Trust needs to be deep and wide among those facing battle. Differences of opinion are the polar opposite of unit discipline.

Blogger Hostem Populi March 02, 2016 12:47 PM  

If the GOPe tries to broker the convention against Trump, they'll make the Democratic Convention of '68 look like a block party that got a little rowdy.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan March 02, 2016 12:49 PM  

Trotsky thrusts Ben Shapiro moans. No to any new Holocaust no to the Tikkun Olon scam, quite simple equation

Blogger Gaiseric March 02, 2016 12:50 PM  

John Morris wrote:This whole debate of American as idea vs blood misses the point. America as blood means SWPL progs are perfectly good. Guess what champ, they are running us off the cliff right now. They keep minorities as pets and run em into the booth on election day but raise your hand if you think the Congressional Black Caucus has any influence.

Race as a proxy for ideas might have a genetic basis but as a practical matter it is bogus since too many whites seem predisposed to Progressivism, Marxism and other insanity. We need America as an idea with teeth, a way to boot out heretics.

Don't be absurd. I have no idea where any of that came from when all I said was that it takes a special kind of chutzpah for the Jews to constantly be lecturing the Americans, of all people, that they're always on the verge of becoming Nazis. Using their own logic, I could point out that they're more likely to always be on the verge of becoming Bolsheviks with violent revolution, genocide and gulags around the corner.

Also; I dislike the notion that Stormfront represents much of anything except itself. HBD =/= master race. And if the Jews have collectively picked up some arguably legitimate criticism for their behavior and attitudes, they should know by now that shouting "Nazi! Anti-semitic!" at it to try and shame it into silence isn't likely to do anything other than harden the criticism.

Blogger John Morris March 02, 2016 12:50 PM  

Vox said, "That's stupid. Never work with anyone who attacks you."

I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt on that and assume he isn't attacking thee and me specifically. I have seen the alt-right devolve into a sewer of stormfront trolls. If he isn't reading on a regular basis it is pretty easy to assume they are running things because they are the now the loudest voices. RooshV certainly isn't a cuck, I'm sure you read his rather controversial article after he had a run in with that bunch.

Anonymous King David Whiskey Hotel Foxtrot Zulu March 02, 2016 12:51 PM  

He's not stupid, and he's not on our side.

Describes most of the entire scene for last 50 years perfectly.
They know damn well the why and how and who of it all.

Blogger John Wright March 02, 2016 12:51 PM  

"There has always been an undercurrent of facism in the US that is not too far below the surface of everyday life."

We know. It is called the Democrat Party.

The Dems were behind the Civil War and the Jim Crow laws. A Dem president segregated the armed forces. Dems are being speech codes on campus and hate speech laws. The dems believe, as the fascists in Italy and Germany did, in the welfare state, state controlled schools, land reform, and on and on.

And the full fledged Italian style fascist government-industrial syndicate came into being when Obama took over, illegally and with no color of constitutional authority, the motor car industry, the student loan industry, and the medical insurance industry.

Crony Capitalism is Democrat Party Capitalism is Fascism.

The Democrat party has been fascist for years, and now they are open about it. They even have open anti-Semites on their side (Farrakhan, call your office) and they support Islamonazis over American allies.

There, I said it.

Blogger John Williams March 02, 2016 12:52 PM  

Shapiro's only redeeming trait, if one is a Republican, is he makes Rubio appear straight, by comparison.

Blogger Josh March 02, 2016 12:55 PM  

And the full fledged Italian style fascist government-industrial syndicate came into being when Obama took over, illegally and with no color of constitutional authority, the motor car industry, the student loan industry, and the medical insurance industry.

Baloney. By your logic, Bush illegally took over the pharmaceutical industry and the financial industry. Ergo, Bush is a fascist.

Blogger dienw March 02, 2016 12:55 PM  

No, what truly separates Trump from the rest of the Republican crowd is that he’s a European-style nationalist.

As opposed to what: being a Zionist Nationalist?

Blogger unconventional nazi March 02, 2016 12:55 PM  

"4. Josh March 02, 2016 11:39 AM
What does the alt right consist of?"
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I define it this way: a loose affiliation of various groups from the gamergate guys to anime Twitter Nazis who have been pushed and pushed by the Marxist left and are sick of taking it. These disparate groups have managed to come together for the sole purpose of attacking a common enemy whom they realize will never, ever leave them be.

Anonymous BGKB March 02, 2016 12:56 PM  

main point of the government was not stopping crime and invasion, but stopping racism and income inequality

Stopping crime and fraud is racist because non Asian minorities commit crime.

Crony Capitalism is Democrat Party Capitalism is Fascism. So many mistake crony capitalism for capitalism

Blogger Hostem Populi March 02, 2016 12:56 PM  

@68 "it is pretty easy to assume they are running things because they are the now the loudest voices."

I wouldn't say the loudmouths are running the show, but the tail is wagging the dog a little too much. The Alt Right v Roosh affair has shown a lack of sound political instincts.

Blogger Josh March 02, 2016 12:56 PM  

The Dems were behind the Civil War and the Jim Crow laws.

1) Deo Vindice
2) Lincoln was a proto fascist admired by Marx

Blogger Nate March 02, 2016 12:57 PM  

"Cruz is 120 shy. Rubio lacks almost 300."

There is a pretty obvious implication here.

Blogger Matamoros March 02, 2016 12:59 PM  

25. "Are there any Jewish nationalists in America?"

Kind of thought Ben Stein was, but then he attacked Trump.

Blogger Hostem Populi March 02, 2016 12:59 PM  

@73 This. Most of the dustups on the alt right are the equivalent of someone going to a Christian pro-Life meeting and wanting to start a fight over Five Points Calvinism.

Blogger dc.sunsets March 02, 2016 1:00 PM  

Leftism is like libertarianism

Yes and no.
Both are ideologies that ignore objective facts.
Both are paradoxically amplified as IQ rises, probably because brighter people are better able to rationalize their (reality-denying) beliefs and thus better ignore what Common Sense they harbor.

Where they differ is that the Left intends to Make Men Better. Libertarians accept men as they are (or so they think) and that by changing the institutional rules it will simply result in a better system.

Leftists are arrogant about being so superior that they can "save" lesser mortals from themselves, one beating, caging or execution at a time.

Libertarians are arrogant about being so smart that they can construct a system so sublime that even crappy people are embedded in a peaceful system that eliminates institutionalized coercion.

Both are Utopian.
Both are astonishingly arrogant (and unwise.)
Libertarianism has extremely little support.
Leftism is the dominant religious cult across the entire developed world.

Blogger Gaiseric March 02, 2016 1:01 PM  

dc.sunsets wrote:You say this right up until the fragmentation grenade rolls into your foxhole. Trust needs to be deep and wide among those facing battle. Differences of opinion are the polar opposite of unit discipline.
We're not troops in a foxhole, though. There's a difference between being able to disagree on certain points with your allies, and being so difficult that your allies won't have you.

Shapiro has proved himself recently to be on the wrong side of that line.

Blogger John Morris March 02, 2016 1:04 PM  

Nate said, "There is a pretty obvious implication here."

Yup, that we must all unite behind Rubio! They can really say that with a straight face. National Review may have put "Against Trump" on the cover but their actions (and the whole establishment) speak louder that were they honest they would have put "Against Cruz" on it.

We really need to hammer home that we see through the ruse. They are the last faction with freedom of action. If Cruz stays in a threeway Trump wins, if he gets out more of his supporters go Trump and Trump wins; he is no longer able to influence events. The Establishment, if they can accept they can't have Jeb! or now Rubio, can pick which of the remaining two candidates win. But they dream of a brokered convention and Romney, throwing to Clinton or Bloomberg, anything but Cruz. We must make sure they understand they are going to be held accountable for their actions.

If you choose not to decide, still you make a choice. (quoth Rush (the band not the talk host))

Anonymous #8601 Jean Valjean March 02, 2016 1:04 PM  

@35 Sam

Just checked Mickey Kaus' Twitter feed. He looks pretty strong on immigration.

Thanks for the tip.

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein March 02, 2016 1:08 PM  

@#80 dc.sunsets
Both are Utopian.

Libertarians are not Utopian.

Blogger dc.sunsets March 02, 2016 1:10 PM  

We're not troops in a foxhole, though

My mistake. Sometimes it seems like it. Or maybe that was me daydreaming about what would happen to me if I stood up in a public place and described my understanding of IQ distributions by race, my view of the sanity of "transgenders," my grasp of statistical probability when near teens of various racial categories, etc., etc..

Maybe it's not a foxhole, maybe it's more like how Christians lived under Moor satraps.

Blogger Gaiseric March 02, 2016 1:11 PM  

John Morris wrote:National Review may have put "Against Trump" on the cover but their actions (and the whole establishment) speak louder that were they honest they would have put "Against Cruz" on it.
Considering that most—or at least many—of the pundits they recruited to write "Against Trump" articles are stumping hard for Cruz, I find that conclusion unlikely.

Blogger Nate March 02, 2016 1:12 PM  

"We really need to hammer home that we see through the ruse. They are the last faction with freedom of action."

This is exactly it.

Take out Rubio and all of his support goes to Cruz... and Cruz can, in that situation, beat Trump.

Take out Cruz.. and his support either goes to Trump or goes home. None of it will go to Rubio.

Not one vote.

Blogger Hostem Populi March 02, 2016 1:13 PM  

@84 Depends on the libertarians. Ron Paul style libertarianism isn't utopian; AnCap is utopian.

Anonymous FAILBOAT March 02, 2016 1:14 PM  

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/56d677fbe4b03260bf789fd1 alt right hasn't been with a politician in 20 years, and has grown to 30% of the Republican party. Limousine liberal Donald Trump is pumping, and will soon be dumping you in order to become president.

Because hey, it's not like you're going to vote for Hillary.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer March 02, 2016 1:15 PM  

According to Trump, we ought to operate off of the assumption that Americans deserve better lives not because they live out better principles or represent a better system, but because they’re here.

Well duh! Yes, yes, yes!

Globalist seeks to destroy the social contract with his neighbors, but gets to feel good about it because he is not raciss.

Blogger Nate March 02, 2016 1:16 PM  

"Considering that most—or at least many—of the pundits they recruited to write "Against Trump" articles are stumping hard for Cruz, I find that conclusion unlikely."

I'm genuinely ignorant of this.

Who are you speaking of?

Blogger dc.sunsets March 02, 2016 1:16 PM  

@84 Libertarians are not Utopian.

Libertarians posit a stable system (as do all table-pounding ideological movements.) Stable systems are end-states, and are axiomatically Utopian. No libertarian system (e.g., market order) would survive the inevitable coalition of less-haves clamoring for a king to set things right.

I'll aver that the actual term "Utopia" refers specifically to a socialist construct. In that regard, Libertarian Utopia is an oxymoron, but a funny and paradoxical one.

I'm well-versed in libertarianism, having gone through all its metamorphoses myself, from minarchist to L.P. member to anarcho-capitalist and beyond.

I used to think the LP couldn't keep members because as people learned more, they could see the paradox of a "libertarian" political movement (and thus moved on to anarchism.) I now see that libertarian-anarchism was just another town on the Path, it wasn't the destination.

Blogger praetorian March 02, 2016 1:18 PM  

An ally does not attack you. An ally praises your good points and remains silent in public about what he perceives as your defects. An ally always looks to benefit you rather than harm you. An ally comes to your defense even when he believes you are wrong. An ally takes shots for you that he knows he can withstand more readily than you.

QUOTED FOR MAJESTIC TRUTH.

Pin that shit to your monitor, Trumpenstaffel.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian March 02, 2016 1:18 PM  

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Blogger Conan the Cimmerian March 02, 2016 1:19 PM  

@82 @87

This is exactly it.

Take out Rubio and all of his support goes to Cruz... and Cruz can, in that situation, beat Trump.

Take out Cruz.. and his support either goes to Trump or goes home. None of it will go to Rubio.

Not one vote.


Which is why it is going to be humorous when they all throw in behind Marco Foam Party.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian March 02, 2016 1:23 PM  

Are there non-traitorous Jews? Why does perfecting the world to them seem always as get rid of whitey?

OpenID denektenorsk March 02, 2016 1:24 PM  

The race card is so stupid with Trump. He considers "American" anyone who bears that legal distinction. He isn't deporting blacks, Hispanics, Muslims, or Jews who are legal citizens. Just the ones here against our laws.

SJW: "That's racist against non-Americans! Hitler!"

On another note, why does Hitler get all of the credit? We never hear people screaming "Stalin!" or "Mao!" and they killed far more people. I guess they get a pass because they are the blessed communists?

Blogger Sam Lively March 02, 2016 1:25 PM  

@86

Yep. The establishment's biggest objection to Cruz seems to be that he's neither useful nor an idiot. He's unpleasant looking, irritating in manner and unctuous on the stump, but he's smarter than the gatekeepers that tried to wet blanket his titanic ambitions and just went around them.

His biggest supporters are the white knights of the conservative grass roots who are fed up with the establishment but still value ideological purity and passion over pragmatism on the social issues above all. I've always counted myself among this crowd, but the antics of Erick Erickson have stirred a deep feeling of contempt in me.

Blogger John Morris March 02, 2016 1:26 PM  

Gaiseric said, "Considering that most—or at least many—of the pundits they recruited to write "Against Trump" articles are stumping hard for Cruz, I find that conclusion unlikely."

You make the mistake of confusing what they say with what they do. This is understandable since as pundits speaking is what they do. But there is a difference. They speak well of Cruz, but are they leading their establishment allies to him? They are not. Are they calling for Rubio to exit and endorse? They are not. The math is inescapable, there is only one rational course if "Against Trump" is their top priority. Failing to even make an attempt to implement that course of action says they in fact have higher priorities than stopping Trump.

They veto Cruz, we veto Rubio. I'm quite happy with Trump as a result of that, they claim they aren't. That is what I'm saying we should gleefully hammer them on through every possible avanue.

Blogger dc.sunsets March 02, 2016 1:26 PM  

@88 Ron Paul libertarianism is incoherent (as are any systems that posit "limited government" in an environment of "democracy.")

Minarchism (a small, limited political system) cannot coexist with democracy.

Democracy (and equality) remain basically unassailable. All attempts to square that circle will fail quickly or be stillborn.

It seems much more likely that North America will see dictatorships than it will a major rollback of political control via democracy.

Blogger Sam Lively March 02, 2016 1:26 PM  

@87

A good chance a bunch of Rubio's support goes to Kasich if Rubio drops out.

OpenID gnossoss March 02, 2016 1:31 PM  

@97

I think it's racism against Asians that they always talk about Hitler but not Mao. Also, I'm pretty sure China has not only tried to, but succeeded in eliminating racial minorities they don't like, so they outdo Hitler there too.

Anonymous A Visitor March 02, 2016 1:32 PM  

"It’s simply rude and gauche to mock the disabled, as Trump has, or mock prisoners of war, as Trump has, or mock Megyn Kelly’s period, as Trump has. The list goes on and on."

He brought renewed focus to McCain possibly collaborating with the Vietnamese. He put Megyn Kelly in her place and it had nothing to do with her period.

"The distinction between being a pig and being politically incorrect is a real one. But Trump and his supporters have obliterated the distinction — and that’s in large part thanks to the pendulum swinging wildly against political correctness."

Guess what Shapiro? It doesn't matter this year. Also. WE. DON'T. CARE!

I couldn't finish the article in part due to not caring. What a cuck!

Just listening to Limbaugh, Romney is making a speech tomorrow but not entering the race.

"There has always been an undercurrent of facism in the US that is not too far below the surface of everyday life."

@10 You sound like one of my polisci professors in undergrad...in other words, a liberal! You talking of fascism? *spits derisively* Isnt that the pot calling the kettle black?

@14 Damn straight, Ag!

Blogger pyrrhus March 02, 2016 1:32 PM  

I would simply call Shapiro a classic Israel first jewish neocon, without any genuinely conservative beliefs at all.

Blogger Nate March 02, 2016 1:33 PM  

"You make the mistake of confusing what they say with what they do. "

I think its more an example of confusing two completely different groups of people.

1 is the group of thinkers and writers on the establishment right. and the other is the actual power of the political wing of the establishment right.

The former is much more anti-trump than the latter.

That is my take on it.

Blogger Stilicho March 02, 2016 1:38 PM  

I look forward to his opeds criticizing Israel's immigration policy and European-style nationalism. Mr. Shapiro, tear down this wall!

When he squirms and tries to claim "existential threat to Israel, I want to know exactly how many foreigners, expressed as a percentage of current Israeli citizens, are enough to constitute an. Existential threat.

If Mr Shapiro claims that Israel is a proposition nation, with that proposition being "Jewish", then he has fallen into the error highlighted by Vox when he pointed out that the founding proposition of America was to secure the blessings of liberty for the Founders' posterity. A group that, by definition, excludes Shapiro.

Blogger Sam Lively March 02, 2016 1:39 PM  

@105

The donors have to figure in the establishment taxonomy as well. They are much more anti-Trump than anti-Cruz.

Blogger VD March 02, 2016 1:39 PM  

Are there non-traitorous Jews?

Yes.

Why does perfecting the world to them seem always as get rid of whitey?

Because of the historical primacy of Europe. They'd be just as much a pain in the ass to the Chinese if the Chinese were on top, at least until the Chinese decided to wipe them all out in a manner that made Hitler look polite. They want to rule in tribal fashion, but they simply don't have the numbers.

And they still don't understand that their success in America is more the result of a lack of Euro-American tribalism than their own brilliance.

Blogger Jon M March 02, 2016 1:42 PM  

"This sort of nationalism resembles far more the right-wing parties of Europe than the historical Republican Party."

He means the nationalism that is rapidly rising to the political forefront throughout Europe. Ben really thinks it would be a *mistake* for Republicans to ride the same undercurrents that are driving nationalist parties in Europe to increased electoral success. Again with the, "better to lose with dignity than win in a mud wrestling match". Poor Ben couldn't decide between running from a fight and stabbing an ally in the back, so he found a way to do both at once.

Blogger Chris Mallory March 02, 2016 1:43 PM  

"Are there non-traitorous Jews?"


Paul Gottfried is about the only one I can think of.

Blogger Nate March 02, 2016 1:44 PM  

"The donors have to figure in the establishment taxonomy as well. They are much more anti-Trump than anti-Cruz."

agreed.

Blogger John S March 02, 2016 1:46 PM  

We've seen it before, and it doesn't end well.

For you...

Blogger Josh March 02, 2016 1:46 PM  


When he squirms and tries to claim "existential threat to Israel, I want to know exactly how many foreigners, expressed as a percentage of current Israeli citizens, are enough to constitute an. Existential threat.


Everything is an existential threat to Israel!

Hilariously, Shapiro probably thinks that Cuba, ISIS, and Venezuela are existential threats to the USA, but 60 million immigrants could never be...

Blogger Nate March 02, 2016 1:47 PM  

""Are there non-traitorous Jews?""

Moldbug?

Unless you consider monarchists traitors....

Blogger praetorian March 02, 2016 1:48 PM  

And they still don't understand that their success in America is more the result of a lack of Euro-American tribalism than their own brilliance.

Exactly. Similar to Jews, Persians are very smart, but can't build a decent society because they don't have high levels of societal trust.

IQ matters, but high trust societies that allow for specialization with minimal risk matters more. If I can make rope without worrying that someone is going to cut off my water supply and squeeze me, I can make more rope and we are all richer for it. But once people start cheating on that high trust (I'm looking at you, post-1960 America) everything falls apart.

It's a classic prisoners dilemma, and solving it, via small countries with strong cultural identity and attenuated tribalism, was the major achievement of northern Europe.

Blogger Noah B March 02, 2016 1:50 PM  

Jews who do not profess any loyalties other than to their own people cannot, by definition, be traitors to others.

Blogger Josh March 02, 2016 1:53 PM  


""Are there non-traitorous Jews?""

Moldbug?

Unless you consider monarchists traitors....


Roissy and Cernovich?

Blogger Josh March 02, 2016 1:54 PM  

Exactly. Similar to Jews, Persians are very smart, but can't build a decent society because they don't have high levels of societal trust.

They had a decent society for thousands of years until the US started intervening.

Anonymous Frank B Luke March 02, 2016 1:56 PM  

@77

I checked my math before sending Vox the spreadsheet. I missed several proportional contests. After adding them in, any of Trump, Cruz, or Rubio can win on the first ballot. Rubio can win only with a perfect play from now on. He has to sweep all the winner take all races and pull at least 35% in the proportional races. If he loses even the Virgin Islands, he falls short.

Sweeping and taking 30%, puts either Cruz or Trump over the top. As the current totals show, Trump has considerably more padding. Sweeping the winner take alls, puts him only 20 shy of 1,237. Cruz is still 110 shy and Rubio 230, even if they sweep the winner take alls. Some states have rules where taking more than 50% gives the winner all the delegates (e.g. Texas).

There are 146 unbound delegates and those from direct election. Those could throw the numbers, but I left them out of my calculations.

Vox is welcome to break down the numbers further. I did the math simply to show that the NRO assertion of "no way without a brokered convention" was baseless.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian March 02, 2016 2:02 PM  

""Are there non-traitorous Jews?""

Advocating for the displacement of the indigenous peoples of their host countries (the countries in which they reside, sometimes as dual citizens) is fairly traitorous by my accounting.

"Europe has not yet learned to be multicultural. And I think we (Jews) are going to be part of the throes of that transformation, which must take place. Europe is not going to be the monolithic societies they once were in the last century. "

"There is no place in modern Europe for ethnically pure states"



Aint never read Moldbug.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian March 02, 2016 2:04 PM  

"Moldbug?"

And you do know who I am as you are one of the very few that has been here longer than I.

Blogger Gaiseric March 02, 2016 2:06 PM  

Nate wrote:I'm genuinely ignorant of this.

Who are you speaking of?

Pavlich, Cal Thomas, Thomas Sowell, Dana Loesch, and Brent Bozell have all expressed support for Cruz, if not outright endorsement and stumping. Glenn Beck was the first billed on the Against Trump issue, and he's actively stumped for Cruz.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian March 02, 2016 2:08 PM  

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Blogger bob k. mando March 02, 2016 2:10 PM  

3. gnossoss March 02, 2016 11:37 AM
I asked him what he thought the most fundamental function of government was, and he said "policing the governed people."



i just threw up in my mouth a little.



5. Crude March 02, 2016 11:39 AM
That conviction to crush him came from the left, not the right.



Stalin and Trotsky hated and attacked each other. that doesn't make either of them "of the Right".



10. The Truth March 02, 2016 11:45 AM
There has always been an undercurrent of facism



a - did you accidentally disable Spell Check? because you really need it

b - both fascism and the national socialist workers party are of the Left



21. Steve March 02, 2016 12:00 PM
It's what George Washington would have wanted.



and i know this because that's what Sarah "born more American than thou" Hoyt told me.



25. #8601 Jean Valjean March 02, 2016 12:04 PM
Are there any Jewish nationalists in America?



lots and LOTS of them. they're the ones in favor of the wall around Israel.

it just so happens that set of Jewish-Americans who favor walls around both Israel AND the US ... pretty much doesn't exist.



101. Sam Lively March 02, 2016 1:26 PM
A good chance a bunch of Rubio's support goes to Kasich if Rubio drops out.



well, of course.

we've made that point previously.

the problem is that Kasich polls EVEN WORSE than Rubio.

IF Rubio cannot best Trump with *all* of Cruz's support going to him
THEN Kasich doesn't have a snowballs chance in hell against the Trumpenstaffel.

IF the goal is to 'stop Trump at all costs'
THEN the GOPe kiddy-humpers would demand that Rubio / Kasich leave the race immediately and they would throw all their support to Cruz.



which is a point Cruz was making yesterday on the talk radio shows ( "If we're going to stop Trump we must band together" ) and in his Super Tuesday night speech.

therefore, there are other considerations in play beyond "against Trump at all costs".

*shrugs*

pedophile faggots will pedophile faggot.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian March 02, 2016 2:10 PM  

Lawrence Auster would call out his own. Henry Makow? does so as well.

Seem to be exceptions and not the rule. Seems there are few nationalists (not Israeli nationalists) among the tribe.

It was more rhetorical than not.

Anonymous Viidad March 02, 2016 2:11 PM  

""There has always been an undercurrent of facism in the US that is not too far below the surface of everyday life."

We know. It is called the Democrat Party.

The Dems were behind the Civil War"

Way wrong. The Democrats were the small government, anti-centralization party. Lincoln was proto-fascist who centralized the state with the blood of 600k.

The Democrats of today are not those of the 1800s. The Republicans have always been big government to one degree or another, the Democrats have not.

Anonymous BigGayKoranBurner March 02, 2016 2:14 PM  

probably because brighter people are better able to rationalize their (reality-denying) beliefs and thus better ignore what Common Sense

One of the harder things to understand is just how stupid below average is.

Libertarians are not Utopian. The govt out of my bedroom, wallet, shower, laundryroom, kitchen, garage, car & marketplace is certainly utopian. Free markets wont work if someone buys up all of the stuff on the market to sell higher at a monopoly, a scam identified by Martin Luther 500 years ago.

Why does perfecting the world to them seem always as get rid of whitey?

Whitey is the one most likely to see through schemes. Even with plain English laws forcing payday loan centers to spell everything out, cities have to ban more payday loan centers from being placed in non-Asian minority neighborhoods. 500%+ APR loan even if you do everything right is a tough sell to right side of the bell curve whites, but only 15% of blacks have an IQ of 100 or higher. I was looking for a link about the cities that ban new payday loan places from opening but couldn't resist putting this link. http://stuffblackpeopledontlike.blogspot.com/2011/04/nfl-players-resorting-to-payday-loan.html

According to Trump, we ought to operate off of the assumption that Americans deserve better lives not..., but because they’re here

7yo white coal breaker boys slaved away to help feed their families & build infrastructure, those that lived long enough had their taxes go to pay Puerto Ricans in Puerto Rico social security disability for NO SPEAK ENGLISH. Their PR counterparts lounged about and ate low hanging fruit all day. Those white boys worked for their posterity to build something better, only to have it stolen.

Are there non-traitorous Jews? Even Moses didn't bother to sort them out when he came down from the mountain.

They'd be just as much a pain in the ass to the Chinese if the Chinese were on top

Jewish Bolsheviks helped Moa with his killing 100 million with the intended targets being smarter more independent of Chinese people.

Blogger James Dixon March 02, 2016 2:19 PM  

> I checked my math before sending Vox the spreadsheet.

The kicker is probably the 8 state majority of delegates. Cruz has only managed it in Texas and Rubio didn't manage it in Minnesota. Trump is at 5 states and counting.

Blogger praetorian March 02, 2016 2:19 PM  

They had a decent society for thousands of years until the US started intervening.

I'm willing to concede the possibility. Perhaps my experience with persians in the U.S. leads me to incorrect conclusions regarding their natural state.

Anonymous BGKB March 02, 2016 2:21 PM  

"Are there non-traitorous Jews?" Paul Gottfried If we are suggesting individual unicorns what about Max Keiser or Rabbi B?

Blogger CM March 02, 2016 2:22 PM  

Way wrong. The Democrats were the small government, anti-centralization party. Lincoln was proto-fascist who centralized the state with the blood of 600k.

I have found when two parties maintain the same names for 100+ years, ideologies between the two shift and change, holding both right and wrong views at any point in history.

The argument of which party is better just obfuscates the main point that large, centralized government poses dangers to liberty for the non-elite.

Blogger SciVo March 02, 2016 2:23 PM  

The Truth wrote:But Drumpf is unleashing a scary something that can take on a life of its own.

You have it exactly backwards. Trump is the pressure relief valve, not the pilot light. Shut him down and the boiler will stop making that annoying whistling sound. And then it will explode.

Blogger Nate March 02, 2016 2:25 PM  

"And you do know who I am as you are one of the very few that has been here longer than I. "

No no... I was suggesting the Alt-Right may consider Moldbug a nationalist... and he's a jew.

Blogger SciVo March 02, 2016 2:25 PM  

(I've never actually worked with boilers, so I welcome corrections to my metaphor if I screwed it up.)

Blogger Sevron March 02, 2016 2:29 PM  

You were correct (although modern boilers have a return line from the pressure relief valve, so there is no screaming sound, and there is also a pressure burst disk that should pop before the boiler does).

Anonymous Philipp March 02, 2016 2:33 PM  

They had a decent society for thousands of years until the US started intervening. - Josh

They had a decent society for thousands of years until the Mongols invaded.

So fixed that for you, Josh. :-)

Blogger Achilles March 02, 2016 2:35 PM  

What's truly funny is that Ben will whine about Jew merchant memes being tweeted to him like it's the start of another Shoah. Then he aids in disenfranchising the will of the voters. Angry voters armed to the teeth. How can someone like Shapiro live in such a bubble? Every tweet attacking Trump and his supporters isn't just aiding Hillary. It's giving rise to ultra-nationalists.

Blogger Nate March 02, 2016 2:35 PM  

Thomas Sowell and Dana Loesch explicity endorsed Cruz recently. I didn't realize that. Cal Thomas has not... and has largely been critical of Cruz. I'm gonna have to look into the others.

But again.. I note these are different groups of people. I've long said the think tank conservative types were much more anti-trump than anti-cruz. its the politicians and power brokers like Lott and McCain that are seriously anti-Cruz.

Anonymous BluePony March 02, 2016 2:35 PM  

I missed a memo. Is "Drumpf" the new pet word of the lackwits?

Anonymous BluePony March 02, 2016 2:39 PM  

"Every tweet attacking Trump and his supporters isn't just aiding Hillary. It's giving rise to ultra-nationalists."

Forget where I saw it- maybe it was here- but the scene plays like this.

Media Twerp: You Trumpf (?) supporters are uneducated Nazis and you smell and you dress funny and you should be killed.

Trump: I love the uneducated! I'll work hard for you guys!

Voters: Yay Trump!

Media Twerp: Where did we go wrong? Derp derp derp.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian March 02, 2016 2:40 PM  

I was suggesting the Alt-Right may consider Moldbug a nationalist... and he's a jew.

Apologies. My misunderstanding. Haven't read him or abut him, so I was unaware.

Anonymous dt March 02, 2016 2:43 PM  

The boiler is fine.

OpenID denektenorsk March 02, 2016 2:43 PM  

@102 I think it's racism against Asians that they always talk about Hitler but not Mao. Also, I'm pretty sure China has not only tried to, but succeeded in eliminating racial minorities they don't like, so they outdo Hitler there too.

So the Asians are harder working AND they are better at mass exterminations. Is there anything they can't do?

Blogger Gaiseric March 02, 2016 2:45 PM  

Nate wrote:But again.. I note these are different groups of people. I've long said the think tank conservative types were much more anti-trump than anti-cruz. its the politicians and power brokers like Lott and McCain that are seriously anti-Cruz.
Right. I'm not saying anything unites these guys other than the fact that they contributed to that NRO issue "Against Trump."

Blogger Karl March 02, 2016 2:46 PM  

Found this today, related to the ongoing discussion about what makes someone American. Interesting view that takes for granted it is a "quintessentially American experience" to immigrate here.


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https://lareviewofbooks.org/review/state-that-i-am-in-hannah-arendt-in-america

One could view the Little Rock and Eichmann controversies as evidence that Arendt misunderstood the publics for which she wrote. And yet one telling line from a late interview suggests a different interpretation, one simultaneously more charitable and stranger. “In political matters I am as much of a native as any other American,” Arendt said in 1973. Arendt’s Americanness seems to have resided in her feeling that America, a place where the natives had been wiped out — “There are no natives here. The natives were the Indians,” she also said — was a place where politics abstracted from national identity seemed possible. A crazy idealism, this, and one that construes the best politics in such lofty terms that the effects of identity, and indeed, the emotions that weave through public debate, recede into mere dots on the ground below.

Richard King’s great contribution to the literature on Arendt is to show, in fine-grained terms, how her political theory was the result of a quintessentially American experience: to arrive on American shores an immigrant, to draw on resources from both an old country and a new, imagined one, and to participate in the riot of reinvention. Not an answer to Jonas’s question, exactly, but an illustration of just how contingent each of Arendt’s ideas really were, how each developed through friendship, struggle, and the observation of daily political life in America.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents March 02, 2016 2:47 PM  

Josh on Persians
They had a decent society for thousands of years until Islam showed up.

FIFY

OpenID denektenorsk March 02, 2016 2:47 PM  

@112 We've seen it before, and it doesn't end well.

For you...


I'll admit, I laughed at that.

Blogger Gaiseric March 02, 2016 2:47 PM  

@126. It's not way wrong. You're just looking at the wrong window. John C. Wright is looking at the Democrat party since the advent of the progressive ideology. I don't think it means a lot to talk about Jacksonian Democrats and show how they're relevant to Democrats since... Wilson, at least.

Blogger Gaiseric March 02, 2016 2:51 PM  

@124: Cruz may well make that case, but the fact is, although they're not as vocal about it, the #NeverCruz contingent of the GOPe overlaps quite a bit with the #NeverTrump group.

While the voters are largely lumped into #OnlyCruzOrTrump. The difference between them being one of (mostly) polite disagreement on what the greatest existential threat to America is: foreign invasion and political correctness, or anti-Constitutional lawlessness by the FedGov.

OpenID sigbouncer March 02, 2016 2:56 PM  

Shapiro is a trojan horse, just like Cruz. Both of them are backed by breitbart.

Blogger LP9 Rin Integra S.I.G. March 02, 2016 2:59 PM  

Ben Shapiro is still a baby boy in his views or its blinders or its parenthood which contradicts babyboydom. I've seen a few youtube vids of him/his guests and found it empty. Just I was scanning his opeds about a decade ago, I have no confidence in his words or views. He is deceived.

Moving on, let us support and promote Vox n' staff.

Anonymous #8601 Jean Valjean March 02, 2016 2:59 PM  

Milo is also at Breitbart

Anonymous Crude March 02, 2016 3:00 PM  

VD,

Bolsheviks always want to shoot Mensheviks. He got an invite. Think they would ever invite me, or Cernovich, or Roosh, or Moldbug, or Sailer, or any right-wing thinker who actually matters?

They invite Milo, and I think Milo matters. Sailer I could see getting an invite. Do you even try to get invites? I can't imagine you'd say yes, for some reason. Doesn't seem like your thing.

That said, I better understand what you mean now. Between that and the updated post, I think you make a fair point.

Mando,

Stalin and Trotsky hated and attacked each other. that doesn't make either of them "of the Right".

No, but that doesn't seem as clear cut with Shapiro. I think he's done some praiseworthy things in fighting PC culture and promoting conservative thought. Frankly, his move at the university was revolutionary. Show me the other right wing figures speaking on campus and taking the attitude of 'Fuck you, I'm coming anyway' when he's disinvited. Or who is willing to be escorted by police into the area to speak when there's a riot brewing.

I can believe Shapiro is, for all that, not to be trusted or seriously flawed. Compare him to Cruz, I suppose - seems apt. But I've got to give credit where it's due. The guy is not William Kristol or Dick Morris.

Blogger Gaiseric March 02, 2016 3:02 PM  

Stalin and Trotsky hated and attacked each other. that doesn't make either of them "of the Right".

No, but every Leftist propagandist since Stalin has tried to paint everyone who disagreed with him on the Left as being of the Right. It's important to recognize that pattern and shut it down up front.

Blogger Rabbi B March 02, 2016 3:19 PM  

@130 BGKB

"If we are suggesting individual unicorns what about Max Keiser or Rabbi B?"

I'm sure people were thinking of those with a certain amount of weight and influence.

I'm just a skinny Jew tryin' to get heaven who likes to give my two-shekels worth here now and again.

My two shekels: We were called to be a light to the nations and there is a specific mandate for doing so and how, even when we have been scattered hither and yon. Too many are doing it wrong and that's a shame. We hear a lot about 'what's good for the Jews'but that doesn't preclude Jews from asking themselves 'what's good for the Goyim' and acting accordingly.

There’s a reason so many of his supporters occupy the #altright portion of the Internet, which traffics in anti-Semitism and racism.

Yes, and what is that reason exactly? Please bear with me, but I'll continue beating this drum until people like Shapiro open their eyes and wake up:

We are to be Jews, in the full sense of the term, to carry out our G-d given Jewish duties manifest in a way of life that has been prescribed by G-d, only then will all the peoples of the earth see the name of the L-rd rest upon us and they will dare not touch us. It is self-deception of the basest order for us to imagine that we can buy the friendship of the nations to which we have been scattered and permanently assure it to ourselves by discarding the this Jewish distinctiveness that was mandated by G-d Himself.

We will not find (and never have found in our entire history) any kind of protection in laxity and half-hearted performance of our duties. It is only in the steadfast, loyal. faithful accomplishment of the tasks G-d has imposed on our people where we will be found strong and secure.

As long as this is not the case, in whatever nation the Jews find themselves, and as much as it pains me to say it, it is the Jews who are bad for the Jews. And those of us who are living a life that is committed to His calling and directives will not escape what I can see so clearly is coming any more than Joshua and Caleb who, although faithful and obedient, were condemned to wander with their brethren 40 additional years in the wilderness, only to receive their reward at a later time.

Outside of Israel the largest population of Jews reside comfortably and apathetically in a nation that is the first nation to give Jews the full rights and privileges of citizenship, rights and privileges which we compromised our calling and duties as Jews to secure. That has never gone well for us anywhere or at any time. This generation will not be the exception.

More likely than not, we will learn that we are far better off as servants in His house than trying to secure and maintain a lifestyle currying the favor of the nations in a vain attempt to be accepted by them rather than to be a light to them as we have been commanded.

My world view informs me that life here on earth is not all about realpolitik, but there is a spiritual component that must be seriously considered and weighed as well, a component which we ignore at our peril.

Anonymous cheddarman March 02, 2016 3:33 PM  

There is a jews for guns organization run by an orthodox rabbi or conservative rabbi that seems pretty patriotic

Anonymous cheddarman March 02, 2016 3:36 PM  

The whites predisposed to progressivism probably have a damaged amygdyla ...this is the part of the brain that is related to sensing danger

Blogger SciVo March 02, 2016 3:45 PM  

alexamenos wrote:Sometimes I wish that many of the people saying that Americans shouldn't have any ethnic affection at all weren't quite so jewy.

It is particularly disturbing in light of their tendency to say that as a non sequitur, as a response to color-blind nationalism.

In order to oppose Americans having an in-group preference for Americans, you would have to either be irrational or not think of yourself as American (or both). So if you don't want to appear irrational or disloyal, then you could make it all about race, even when it isn't. But that makes them appear irrational to me anyway.

It's rather counter-productive for them to raise the question of white in-group preference, when it wasn't already on the table. That leads people to wonder, why shouldn't I have ethnic affection like everyone else does (including them)? And if I'm going to be convicted of racism regardless, I have nothing to lose.

The best-case scenario is that they oppose their own best interest; but it's hard for me to think that of someone as demonstrably intelligent as Shapiro. So moving on, the next-best case is that they're not consciously aware of their own motivations -- that they shift the conversation to a kind of nationalism that would exclude them, because they're rationalizing the cognitive dissonance of thinking of themselves as both American and as not. And that's a pretty bad scenario, because that "not" is still a problem, even (or perhaps especially) if it's subconscious.

I'm not a mind-reader. I don't know what's going on in Shapiro's head, or Kristol's, or anyone else's. But I know how people work, and that's at least better then assuming that they're all PTSD whackadoodles who should be under psychiatric care for patriotphobia, or (worst of all) consciously subversive foreign agents.

Blogger Gaiseric March 02, 2016 3:47 PM  

@155. If the Jews are trying to buy friendship of the Gentiles, I'd hate to see what they do when they're not trying to be "friendly."

You're certainly right when you say that, "it is the Jews who are bad for the Jews." Rather than yelling, "Anti-Semite! Nazi! The Holocaust! Never forget!" every time you don't get your way (collectively, rather than individually speaking, of course) you (again, collectively) should be asking yourselves the uncomfortable questions of why the Gentiles have these stereotypes of your people.

Blogger VD March 02, 2016 3:48 PM  

Do you even try to get invites? I can't imagine you'd say yes, for some reason. Doesn't seem like your thing.

No. It's not my thing and I have little interest in it. But I find it telling that I got more invitations from college groups back when I had about one-tenth the readership that I do now.

Anonymous cheddarman March 02, 2016 3:51 PM  

NIGGA PLEASE!!!!

The Southrons don't call the US Civil War "Lincoln's war" for no reason

Anonymous cheddarman of Christendom March 02, 2016 4:05 PM  

Rabbi B there are a lot of us here who would have your back if it ever came to that

Blogger Rabbi B March 02, 2016 4:05 PM  

@160 Gaiseric

" . . . you (again, collectively) should be asking yourselves the uncomfortable questions of why the Gentiles have these stereotypes of your people."

Well, where there is oxygen there are Jews, and where there are Jews there will be people who hate them, whatever the reason. We just need to conduct ourselves in such a way that the stereotypes and any hatred that is leveled against us are truly baseless. I, for one, am confident that G-d will deal with the Amalakites of this world in His own good time and in His own good way.

More often than not, we are our own worst enemy. I believe that G-d's hates assimilation and the collective desire to be 'like all of the nations around us.' It is a real slap in His face and a rejection of His calling upon us, and since I also believe that the gifts and calling of G-d are irrevocable, we can be sure that we will pay a dear price when we decide to ignore that calling and squander His gifts.

Blogger Rabbi B March 02, 2016 4:08 PM  

@163 Cheddarman of Christendom

You're a real mensch, sir.

Anonymous BGKB March 02, 2016 4:23 PM  

I missed a memo. Is "Drumpf" the new pet word of the lackwits?

The word TRUMP strikes fear into their hearts even if only part of QUEENS TRUMP SPADES when discussing victim categories.

So the Asians are harder working AND they are better at mass exterminations. Is there anything they can't do?

Drive and understand the books they are able to memorize.

Blogger Lovekraft March 02, 2016 4:26 PM  

Imagine if you could have a Liveleak-type compilation (as objectively assembled as possible) that shows life underneath the media and feminist veil. Then show this compilation to policy-makers and ask them if they would like these video examples of human depravity visited upon their loved one (assuming there is still a soul to appeal to).

What I believe most people would say is 'get it as far away from me as possible!'

OK, so we have today the mass of non-liveleak fuzzy-headed liberals and their political masters who clearly deserve to have these truths shoved in their faces.

Which brings me to Shapiro. He's seen the videos and is afraid and is walking a fine line. On either end of the spectrum, the Jew has taken some nasty beatings and wants to appeal for law and order while also wanting an insurance policy.

For someone like me, I would expect a liveleaker to simply come out and honestly say he wants to protect his tribe, however dispersed it CURRENTLY is.

Blogger Student in Blue March 02, 2016 4:28 PM  

@Rabbi B
I believe that G-d's hates assimilation and the collective desire to be 'like all of the nations around us.' It is a real slap in His face and a rejection of His calling upon us, and since I also believe that the gifts and calling of G-d are irrevocable, we can be sure that we will pay a dear price when we decide to ignore that calling and squander His gifts.

You're missing the part where generally Jews only assimilate halfway, where it'd be much better if they assimilated totally or not at all.

Blogger Rabbi B March 02, 2016 4:55 PM  

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Blogger Rabbi B March 02, 2016 4:57 PM  

@168 Student in Blue

You're missing the part where generally Jews only assimilate halfway, where it'd be much better if they assimilated totally or not at all.

No, not true. It's counter-intuitive, I know, but this type of thinking has been a trap for us that we have fallen into far too often.

When Jews have rejected and renounced their Jewishness, even having gone as far as converting to Christianity, we have ultimately not been 'better off.' At least not generally and collectively.

I believe the Jewish Reform movement of beginning around the 1840s in Europe (primarily Germany) did much to lay the groundwork for the Shoah. The so-called Jewish Reformers were all about emancipating the Jew and were not afraid to turn their synagogues into churches and their siddurs into hymnals if they thought it would help their cause.

Wherever we have tried to fight for so-called 'emancipation' and 'equal rights' under the laws of the nations to where we have been scattered, it has never ended well for us, no matter the 'degree' of assimilation.

Purim is coming up in a couple of weeks, and I am reminded of Mordechai's words to Esther that if she failed to act and tried to hide behind the throne of the Persian empire, she would pay dearly and yet G-d would still see to it that deliverance would arise for the Jews from another quarter.

Mordechai was anything but assimilated, very much to the contrary. We need more Mordechai's. (Mordechai, BTW, and to his credit, was also instrumental in thwarting an assassination plot upon the king's life).

There is a principle and a lesson to be gleaned here that I wish was not lost on us.

Blogger Alexander March 02, 2016 4:57 PM  

Not so.

As long as you can get away with it, you're much better off going halfway so that you can play the "I'm part of you" game when it suits, and the "I'm not part of them" when it doesn't.

98% of the time when one is in a group of Anglo-Saxons, one can play the double-game without any ill effects. The other two percent of the time... well, you're fucked.

But even then, I suspect the half-way assimilation game is also about keeping one foot out the door to hop back to the homeland as a prodigal son if things get too hot.

It's a game every single group plays when the come to Whiteland, which is why 'nation of ideas' is so important to them: most groups couldn't play the 'I'm one of you, too!' card if we based that on any sort of physical traits.

Blogger Alexamenos March 02, 2016 5:04 PM  

@SciVo:

"So moving on, the next-best case is that they're not consciously aware of their own motivations -- that they shift the conversation to a kind of nationalism that would exclude them, because they're rationalizing the cognitive dissonance of thinking of themselves as both American and as not."

Seems like a good guess, like they're harboring some latent guilt.

Blogger Rabbi B March 02, 2016 5:11 PM  

@171 Alexander

"As long as you can get away with it, you're much better off going halfway so that you can play the "I'm part of you" game when it suits, and the "I'm not part of them" when it doesn't."

And yet this is precisely what the Jews have tried to do in the US. In fact, they have done it to an unprecedented level: ADL, AIPAC, anti-Semitism this, anti-Semitism that, Never forget!, etc.

What happened to the Jewish legislators recently when they tried to take a stand against the Iran deal and few months ago? Their 'Jewishness' was used against them by their own party and we saw them get quickly back in line, albeit 'reluctantly' and although broke Wasserman's heart to do so. (wipes away tear).

Eventually, when the nation gets pushed hard and far enough, it's only a matter of time before we are reminded who we are and that we are no longer welcome.

For crying our loud, there was a news story yesterday in Ha'aretz of a Jew in Israel who was going to vote in a US election for the first time in 31 years, just to stop Trump because in his estimation Trump is . . . wait for it . . . 'bad for the Jews.' I mean, c'mon.

Blogger Sam Lively March 02, 2016 5:27 PM  

Trump is the blackest guy in the race, but he's also the most Jewish. Guy is the Statue of Liberty animated by mood slime, on a mission to put an end to demonic invasion of demonic minions of globalist elite (Vigo, baby).

Blogger Were-Puppy March 02, 2016 5:43 PM  

@6 FitzRobert

What is a state for if not to work to the advantage of its own citizens, especially within its own territory?
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It's there to provide overlord jobs to anchor babies and foreign usurpers to bring in more trans Americans to tell us what being an American is all about.

Blogger Were-Puppy March 02, 2016 6:09 PM  

@92 Nate

I'm genuinely ignorant of this.

Who are you speaking of?
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Surely you are aware of Blubberin' Beck?

But this was a new one I saw on TV earlier:
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/lindsey-graham-support-cruz-defeat-trump

Blogger Were-Puppy March 02, 2016 6:12 PM  

@98 denektenorsk

On another note, why does Hitler get all of the credit? We never hear people screaming "Stalin!" or "Mao!" and they killed far more people. I guess they get a pass because they are the blessed communists?
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That is similar to the question the authors of "The Black Book of Communism" sought to answer.

Blogger Were-Puppy March 02, 2016 6:14 PM  

@99 Sam Lively

I've always counted myself among this crowd, but the antics of Erick Erickson have stirred a deep feeling of contempt in me.
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Right around the time I was learning what a Cuckservative was, EE had his epic uncovering by disinviting Trump from a meeting with other presidential candidates because it might offend his wife and daughter. This was right after Trumps initial flap with Megyn Kelly.

Blogger Were-Puppy March 02, 2016 6:19 PM  

@119 Josh
Exactly. Similar to Jews, Persians are very smart, but can't build a decent society because they don't have high levels of societal trust.

They had a decent society for thousands of years until the US started intervening.
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Don't you mean until Mohammed intervened?

Blogger Escoffier March 02, 2016 6:26 PM  

VD wrote:I prefer to work with anyone right of center, even including those a bit to the left. In a war, it is all about addition to one's forces, not ever more strict purging of the ranks.

That's stupid. Never work with anyone who attacks you. They're not part of your forces; they're not even an ally.

You don't seem to grasp that we're not talking about purging heretics here. We're talking about not accepting those who openly and publicly attack us.


This to me is the where the dividing line between Conservative and Nationalist lies. It is also the reason Conservatism is doomed to failure. All I know is that Conservatives seem congenitally unable to distinguish friend from foe and feel a sexual thrill at inviting enemies into the foxhole with them. Can't explain but boy do I ever see it.

Blogger weka March 02, 2016 6:27 PM  

It is not the tribe it is the fealty. And I have not a clue nor care if those three are of the tribe.

If they seek truth and defend my neighbour I will treat them as brothers

Blogger Were-Puppy March 02, 2016 6:29 PM  

@137 Philipp

They had a decent society for thousands of years until the Mongols invaded.
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Now that I think about it, they spent a lot of time hassling the Greeks and the Roman Empire. What time period exactly were they a decent society?

Blogger Were-Puppy March 02, 2016 6:31 PM  

@144 denektenorsk
So the Asians are harder working AND they are better at mass exterminations. Is there anything they can't do?
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Ask one to say "flip flop"

Blogger Blume March 02, 2016 6:31 PM  

Here, here.

Blogger bob k. mando March 02, 2016 6:53 PM  

182. Were-Puppy March 02, 2016 6:29 PM
they spent a lot of time hassling the Greeks and the Roman Empire.



hassling the Romans wasn't necessarily a bad thing.

Anonymous WINDUP March 02, 2016 6:54 PM  

Trump is a lout. Shapiro went to Harvard. Both are equally unconservative, imo.

OpenID joeholocaust March 02, 2016 6:56 PM  

"
On another note, why does Hitler get all of the credit? We never hear people screaming "Stalin!" or "Mao!" and they killed far more people. I guess they get a pass because they are the blessed communists?"

Yes. Since corporate media, mainstream publishing and Hollywood are controlled by the Jews you hear no end to the wailing against Hitler's crimes. As for Communists in the USSR, they may be related to some of the big perpetrators of crimes there. Similarly, it is no accident that you see many gangster and mafia movies and tv dealing with Italian mafia that gives the impression that they were the worst and biggest and you rarely see anything about the Jew crimelords and racketeers or else see their role minimized.

OpenID denektenorsk March 02, 2016 6:59 PM  

I missed a memo. Is "Drumpf" the new pet word of the lackwits?

It's from a John Oliver bit from this last Sunday (Feb 28th). Supposedly an ancestor changed the family name from Drumpf to Trump.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/03/us/politics/donald-drumpf-a-funny-label-but-is-it-fair.html

Blogger Cogitans Iuvenis March 02, 2016 7:00 PM  

On a semi-related note, the Koch brothers have said they will not deploy their millions upon millions of dollars against Donald Trump in the primaries.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/koch-brothers-will-not-deploy-funds-against-trump-during-primaries/ar-BBqggXi?li=BBnb7Kz

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents March 02, 2016 7:14 PM  

Rabbi B
What happened to the Jewish legislators recently when they tried to take a stand against the Iran deal and few months ago? Their 'Jewishness' was used against them by their own party and we saw them get quickly back in line, albeit 'reluctantly' and although broke Wasserman's heart to do so. (wipes away tear).

Eh, Wasserman-Schulz's heart appears to be constructed of high tensile steel and cooled by liquid nitrogen, so if it actually broke…just a repair job, a couple of days in the shop. Since she constantly wears it on her sleeve access is not an issue.

Blogger praetorian March 02, 2016 7:16 PM  

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OpenID denektenorsk March 02, 2016 7:25 PM  

@144 denektenorsk
So the Asians are harder working AND they are better at mass exterminations. Is there anything they can't do?
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Ask one to say "flip flop"


Me rike that a rot. Frip Frop! Why me sooo wacist?

Seriously though, I've worked with 2nd generation Chinese who "speak Mandarin like white guys" according to their not at all racist parents (but they reserve their real racism for the Japanese, us white devils are just good enough for the casual, every day racism) and have an excellent command of English.

I've also worked with some other guys who can barely speak the language. They tend to be more 'Chinese practical' as I have coined it, which includes mispelling common English words, not initializing C++ variables and avoiding step debuggers/testing their stuff like the plague.


Blogger Conan the Cimmerian March 02, 2016 7:27 PM  

@187 Jews (((Bolsheviks))) led the starvation/slaughter of the Holodmor.

Killed more christians than the "6 million" Hitler supposedly shoahed.

More Poles were killed than Jews as well. But for some reason the Poles don't get to go on and on about never forgetting.

Blogger SteelPalm March 02, 2016 7:41 PM  

Ben Shapiro's rejection of nationalism in American politics is easily his greatest flaw, and Vox is correct to point it out.

I personally attribute it to stupidity more than to malice, however. Since there are other short-sighted things Ben believes in.

As for the rest, holy fuck are some of the commentators here are dumb. The Bolsheviks were not Jews, dipshits. Bolsheviks (foolishly) received support from Russian Jews initially, in much the same way SJWs receive support from American Jews. Even though both Bolsheviks and SJWs hate Jews.

Jews have a horrible, horrible tendency to aid their enemies. Many German Jews were big supporters of Hitler initially, too.

Didn't work out well for them.

As thanks for their efforts, Russian Jews were heavily discriminated against by the communist government (they couldn't live in many cities, were barred from the top universities), and might have been largely exterminated if Stalin hadn't died in 1953, as he was planning his own Hitler-style pogrom. They also had no power in the Bolshevik government.

Fixating on Jew hatred nowadays is even more lethal and suicidal for you dipshits than it was for the tens of millions of Jew-hating Europeans who died in World War 2. And make no mistake, most of Europe agreed with Hitler that the Jews should be exterminated.

But at least back then they could more easily fool themselves that Hitler wouldn't attack and kill them after killing the Jews. As we know, the Death Cult and its jihadis nowadays aren't even waiting for that.

Oh well, not everyone gets to survive.

Blogger VD March 02, 2016 8:04 PM  

The Bolsheviks were not Jews, dipshits.

Yeah, you need to do a bit more reading on the subject. As it happens, your vulgar opinion doesn't even rise to the level of Wikipedia.

"According to the 1922 party census, there were 19,564 Jewish Bolsheviks, comprising 5.21% of the total. Between 1917 and 1919, Jewish Bolshevik party leaders included Grigory Zinoviev, Moisei Uritsky, Lev Kamenev, Yakov Sverdlov, Grigory Sokolnikov, and Leon Trotsky. Kamenev was of mixed ethnic Russian and Jewish parentage. Trotsky was also a member (or "Narkom") of the ruling Council of People's Commissars. Among the 23 Narkoms between 1923 and 1930, five were Jewish.

So, Jews were more than twice as influential among the Bolsheviks as they are in the US Senate today.

The historical facts are the facts. Learn them before you start trying to lecture people.

Blogger VD March 02, 2016 8:06 PM  

Fixating on Jew hatred nowadays is even more lethal and suicidal for you dipshits than it was for the tens of millions of Jew-hating Europeans who died in World War 2.

The vast majority of American nationalists don't give a damn about the Jews one way or another. Indifference is not "Jew hatred". The people who spend most of their time talking about anti-semitism, as it happens, are Jews.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian March 02, 2016 8:13 PM  

@194

You can do the research. It is out there. Even crazy wikipeida can give you a jump point:


Two Hundred Years Together - two-volume historical essay by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

Read it (and you recognise / admit wiki's biases), they can't even slam it. It is a starting point amongst many.

I have always found that reading and research make me more dumbaner.

Anonymous Takin' a Look March 02, 2016 8:28 PM  

@ Vox Day in response to SteelPalm;

Thank You

@SteelPalm

We didn't care, until as Ted Nugent said "My grandpappy fought and killed Nazis for THIS!?!? Fuck.You!"

As I said earlier in this thread, it isn't going to be us Trumpenvolk who start up the American Baking Championships. The folks who will slap on the jackboots and hugo boss to fire up the ovens will be the Berniebots. Yes, that metrosexual problem glasses and tight pants wearing cuck millenial will be the one singing "Tomorrow belongs to me".

Blogger SteelPalm March 02, 2016 8:32 PM  

@195

Well aware of the facts, Vox. A whopping 5.21% of the Bolshevik party being Jewish, about 1 in every 20, is "influential"?

Okay, by that metric, the Jews were REALLY influential in Germany, accounting for about 10-15% of the officers in the military. (I will spare you the Wikipedia copy-and-paste)

Their "influence" didn't help them much there, did it?

Anymore than their 5 percent "influence" in the Bolshevik party did. Or their "influence" among the American SJWs for the destruction of Israel.

"The vast majority of American nationalists don't give a damn about the Jews one way or another."

You might be correct about the majority, but there is a sizable portion of your readership who obsessively spins conspiracy theories about Jews on every post.

I normally ignore it, but sometimes the stupidity does become tiresome.

Blogger SteelPalm March 02, 2016 8:38 PM  

@198

I completely agree; where have I ever argued otherwise? It's why leftists and SJWs are my mortal enemy; they are an enemy of Western Civilization, the US, and Jews, all in one.

And actually, quite appropriate of you to bring up Bernie. A Jew who idolizes the Jew-hating Stalin, and worked to bring about the destruction of Israel in the 60s.

There are at least as many self-hating fifth columnists among Jews as there are among American whites.

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