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Friday, March 04, 2016

Correcting a misstep

Donald Trump obviously understood that his supporters did not like his reply to Megyn Kelly on highly-skilled immigration, which they took to be a flip-flop on the H-1B visa program. He immediately clarified his position after the debate:
March 04, 2016
Donald J. Trump Position on Visas

"Megyn Kelly asked about highly-skilled immigration. The H-1B program is neither high-skilled nor immigration: these are temporary foreign workers, imported from abroad, for the explicit purpose of substituting for American workers at lower pay. I remain totally committed to eliminating rampant, widespread H-1B abuse and ending outrageous practices such as those that occurred at Disney in Florida when Americans were forced to train their foreign replacements. I will end forever the use of the H-1B as a cheap labor program, and institute an absolute requirement to hire American workers first for every visa and immigration program. No exceptions."
That is about as clear as it gets. Whether you support Trump or not, the fact that he might have slipped up once when under attack from three sides is not indicative of his true position on immigration. Especially when there is sleight of hand involved in the question, substituting "H1-B visas" for "highly-skilled immigration".

Trump's general principle on immigrant labor remains clear: he does not support importing foreign workers to lower the wages of American jobs.

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184 Comments:

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY March 04, 2016 4:07 AM  

"Trump's general principle on immigrant labor remains clear: he does not support importing foreign workers to lower the wages of American jobs."
Damn straight, good sir.

Anonymous PhillipGeorge©2016 March 04, 2016 4:21 AM  

"We the people" are not Islam. When all actions undertaken discriminate in favour of "we" immigration will be settled science.
1. A nation has borders
2. A nation has enforced laws
3. A nation discriminates in favour of it's own.

If Rupert Murdoch could run Newscorp on like minded principles why can't the USA run the USA like a corporation worth investing in?

Blogger Scott6584 March 04, 2016 4:26 AM  

Repeat after me: "Trump will not flip flop on immigration. Trump will not flip flop on education." Maybe if you keep chanting it, it will make it come true...


...even though Trump has flip flopped on virtually every other issue.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY March 04, 2016 4:32 AM  

Commie.
TRUMP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Blogger White Devil March 04, 2016 4:36 AM  

Why is it worse for Trump to (ChangeHisMind/Lie/BeWrong) about (Wall/Education/Llamas) than it is for every other candidate to have so much contempt for the voters to never want to raise, let alone take a popular position on a given issue?

Blogger Adam Meek March 04, 2016 4:51 AM  

The choice is Trump or Clinton. Steve Sailer pointed out recently that Clinton is an older, dumber, less accomplished Merkel.

Anonymous Faceless March 04, 2016 5:11 AM  

We want as many O-1s as we can get. Didn't we get Shakira in her heyday thanks to that? An O-1 is not an H-1B, and it has not been the subject of the same abuse. The O-1 visa embodies the idea of stealing the rest of the world's highly skilled people, which we should always do - you poach your competitions' stars, not random line workers.

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales March 04, 2016 5:26 AM  

Spin, spin, spin about those smelly, rotten foreigners.

Don't, worry, though. Trump IS the best candidate, if for no other reason than he's a bullet going to go through the head of the establishment. He may be dirty and rusty, but hey, he beats those clowns by a country mile and hasn't had the opportunity and used that opportunity to back-stab like they have, even if he eventually does.

Anonymous Steve March 04, 2016 5:29 AM  

My tuppence on the immigration thing:

There are only two candidates who *might* significantly reduce immigration to the US: Trump and Cruz.

Let's do a quick imaginary Gartner Magic Quadrant on their respective merits.

The Magic Quadrant has two axes: COMPLETENESS OF VISION and ABILITY TO EXECUTE.

COMPLETENESS OF VISION: Both are strongly in favour of tackling illegal immigration. Trump seems to be stronger on also reducing legal immigration. But either (if they do what they say they will) would be significantly better than the current president on this issue.

ABILITY TO EXECUTE: This is where Trump differentiates himself from Cruz, in my opinion. Whoever wins the presidency, as soon as he starts seriously tackling immigration he'll face an enormous uphill battle against Congress, against the judiciary, against the mass media, big business, international opinion and a large section of the civil service.

It will take an audacious and inspirational man to steam through the resistance. Someone used to getting people on his side, or getting them out of the way. He'll need to be part evangelist and part bully.

I can't see Ted Cruz in that role. I can see Donald Trump managing to bull through his agenda.

So in our hypothetical Magic Quadrant analysis, the Donald would be the clear market leader on immigration.

Blogger VD March 04, 2016 5:34 AM  

"Trump will not flip flop on immigration. Trump will not flip flop on education." Maybe if you keep chanting it, it will make it come true...

The point is that he has to flip-flop in order to be a problem. We already know what all the other guys will do.

I wouldn't fault anyone for refusing to vote for Trump on the basis of their expectations that he will turn out to be another dutiful elitist rather than a maverick nationalist. But there is simply no case for supporting any of the various alternatives.

As I have repeatedly said, I don't trust Trump, his words, or his principles. I trust in his vanity. There is nothing about the man that indicates he desperately seeks approval from the establishment elite.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY March 04, 2016 5:44 AM  

"The point is that he has to flip-flop in order to be a problem. We already know what all the other guys will do"
I hear ya, good sir.

Anonymous hapsburg peasant March 04, 2016 5:44 AM  

Under pressure Trump let slip his true opinion. He quickly sent out a damage control release telling people what they want to hear. I can't trust him any more. The teflon came off the Don, the dream has died. He's just another one of the fuckers...

Anonymous Haxo Angmark March 04, 2016 5:46 AM  

hilarious. Rattled by Megyn, Trump's White Nationalist mask slips and reveals the grinning globalist visage underneath. WN's - who still think they are going to vote themselves out of a Judeo-globalist demographic deathtrap whose jaws are already 2/3 closed - squirm, rationalize, whine. Trump replaces mask.

what do NOT need: DT in the WH, where it will be the same old, same old

what we do need: DT to blow up the Republiscam pty, which he is doing quite well. Then WN's will have no place to go but the gun store...and then the barricades

Anonymous Anonymous March 04, 2016 5:54 AM  

I worry about this off the record meeting. He said the meeting took place and that he would not divulge what was said in the meeting or release the recordings. Cruz said that in the meeting Trump stated that he could be flexible on his immigration stance and that he was just using rhetoric to get the voters stirred up, or some such thing. I would like to know exactly what his said in this meeting.

Blogger tz March 04, 2016 5:56 AM  

I think it is the H2B for non-skilled. I was surprised Trump didn't nail Rubio with Disney.

Blogger VD March 04, 2016 5:57 AM  

Under pressure Trump let slip his true opinion.

You clearly don't understand how pressure works. People don't say what they truly think under pressure, they say what the person putting the pressure on wants to hear.

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler March 04, 2016 6:00 AM  

On immigration. John Jay, a Founding Father, wrote this in the Federalist Papers (#2):

“Providence has been pleased to give this one connected country to one united people—a people descended from the same ancestors, speaking the same language, professing the same religion, attached to the same principles of government, very similar in their manners and customs, and who, by their joint counsels, arms, and efforts, fighting side by side throughout a long and bloody war, have nobly established their general liberty and independence."

Faceless said, "We should poach other peoples". No. We need to reconstitute John Jay's order for this country. We need to Rescind the 1965 Immigration Act and return to the 1925 Nationalities Act.

A nation is a Family. A Family only works with homogeneity. German and Anglo-Saxon, Italian brains are all we need. We don't need Hindus, Pakis, Muslims, South Americans. We need our own. No more race-mixing.

We need to reverse course and restore the Northern European majority of this country and rescind everything that happened after 1965. Justice demands that.

Anonymous Dave March 04, 2016 6:02 AM  

Steve, if and when Trump is elected POTUS I will petition him to declare you an honorary citizen of the United States.

In recognition of the fact that President Trump will give you the title of Honorary Citizen of the United States, if you will send me your personal info including bank account numbers and pins, it would be an honor to send you an absentee ballot from the state of your choice. In fact, the knowledge you have displayed regarding the American electoral process and the candidates would entitle you to as many ballots as you desire so long as they are from Chicago or Florida; I'm sure you understand. I look forward to hearing from you.

Blogger tz March 04, 2016 6:03 AM  

Cue Carly Simon

Vainglory, not Hubris. And not from the corrupt elite he has been paying off all these years (maybe it is payback - I hope so). It is the American People he is seeking.

"Anticipation" is another song by Carly.

Anonymous Anonymous March 04, 2016 6:05 AM  

As to the secret meeting. I am still supporting Trump. There simply is no other choice. He may be a Hail Mary. But at least he is that. The others will spike the ball and say they tried.

Anonymous J Allen March 04, 2016 6:08 AM  

"Under pressure Trump let slip his true opinion."

So, I assume you believe that torture works? I mean, obviously if pressure brings out one's true opinions, then torturing people obviously brings out truth and is highly effective.

Or, maybe, just maybe, people can be pressured into saying things that aren't true, in which case...

Anonymous That Would Be Telling March 04, 2016 6:13 AM  

@15 W.LindsayWheeler:

"Poaching other peoples" was necessary in giving us a lead in nuclear weapons (although the most essential man was 100% American Leslie Groves) and, I'm pretty sure, a much better outcome to the protracted conflict between the Soviets and the rest of the world.

Technology is a much bigger factor than it was in John Jay's days, something that can win or lose wars and conflicts all by itself. And we don't have a monopoly on the brains that drive it, even if we haven't figured out how best to harness those not really if ever American brains we let in.

(And then there's the drive to do that as cheaply as possible, led by the US government itself even before the H-1B visa was created in 1990, but that's part of another problem.)

Anonymous Captain Transamerica, the Stevil soldier March 04, 2016 6:29 AM  

Dave - that's a very kind suggestion, but I don't need no steenkin honourary papers!

I know in my heart that the time I watched Smokey and the Bandit makes me more American than youse y'alls.

Blogger Doom March 04, 2016 6:37 AM  

I just have a general sense that Trump is on the right pages for most of what interests me. Not all of it, not completely, not fully. Just good enough in general, and better than the options in specific and lump sum.

Beside not lowering the wages of US workers, I honestly don't want to see slave labor brought in, Mexicans or others working for dirt cheap. Right or wrong, we ended slavery in this nation, and at great cost. I don't approve of how it was done (damned near genocidal war), or through the channels (the federal government), but slavery is a least best means of doing things. That sort of slavery was worst of the sorts. I don't want it replaced, especially with the implicit or explicit promise of citizenship for slave work. If companies want cheap labor, and are willing to promise their workers an island somewhere, cool. I don't want the US taxpayers picking up that tab, or offering citizenship for cheap labor.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan March 04, 2016 6:37 AM  

If H1B visas are a problem then Trump is the best person running who can fix the problem.

I think this is opportunity if you ask me, you see all the idiot ankle biters are already out, even on this thread and what are they doing but spotlighting the H1B visa problem. Pray the establishment does nothing but talk about the H1B visa problem, especially the SJW types.

Do you want intelligent motivated people on your side, I would.

Problem Reaction Solution

Blogger Escoffier March 04, 2016 6:48 AM  

Faceless wrote:We want as many O-1s as we can get. Didn't we get Shakira in her heyday thanks to that? An O-1 is not an H-1B, and it has not been the subject of the same abuse. The O-1 visa embodies the idea of stealing the rest of the world's highly skilled people, which we should always do - you poach your competitions' stars, not random line workers.

Imma disagree Faceless. Unless you think it's a supah idea to import wealthy and influential people to stump for amnesty and treat our laws with contempt?

https://tinyurl.com/j76zq2v

Anonymous Pumped March 04, 2016 6:49 AM  

Lol at the Trump haters getting desperate.

Blogger Escoffier March 04, 2016 6:50 AM  

Haxo Angmark wrote:hilarious. Rattled by Megyn, Trump's White Nationalist mask slips and reveals the grinning globalist visage underneath. WN's - who still think they are going to vote themselves out of a Judeo-globalist demographic deathtrap whose jaws are already 2/3 closed - squirm, rationalize, whine. Trump replaces mask.

what do NOT need: DT in the WH, where it will be the same old, same old

what we do need: DT to blow up the Republiscam pty, which he is doing quite well. Then WN's will have no place to go but the gun store...and then the barricades


In fact Haxo if all DT accomplished was to make it possible to talk about previously verboten topics that would be a vast improvement.

Anonymous That Would Be Telling March 04, 2016 6:51 AM  

@22 Mr.MantraMan:

If H1B visas are a problem then Trump is the best person running who can fix the problem.

Cruz, who is improbably touted as being good on immigration, certainly isn't the best person. Before he got religion on the issue last November and called for a 180 day "moratorium" on a program with a 1 year cycle, his web site was still touting his amendment to increase the annual quota by 5 times, from 65,000 to 325,000.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY March 04, 2016 6:51 AM  

damn right, you are.

Blogger Escoffier March 04, 2016 6:52 AM  

Doom wrote:I just have a general sense that Trump is on the right pages for most of what interests me. Not all of it, not completely, not fully. Just good enough in general, and better than the options in specific and lump sum.

Beside not lowering the wages of US workers, I honestly don't want to see slave labor brought in, Mexicans or others working for dirt cheap. Right or wrong, we ended slavery in this nation, and at great cost. I don't approve of how it was done (damned near genocidal war), or through the channels (the federal government), but slavery is a least best means of doing things. That sort of slavery was worst of the sorts. I don't want it replaced, especially with the implicit or explicit promise of citizenship for slave work. If companies want cheap labor, and are willing to promise their workers an island somewhere, cool. I don't want the US taxpayers picking up that tab, or offering citizenship for cheap labor.


Hell ya!

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein March 04, 2016 7:00 AM  

I know in my heart that the time I watched Smokey and the Bandit makes me more American than youse y'alls.

The time? THE TIME!!!???

You only watched it ONCE??????????

Back to the re-education camps, er... DVR for you, Suh!

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein March 04, 2016 7:06 AM  

Trump did get busted for using seasonal immigrant labor at his Florida resort.

But, hey...everyone else does it and margaritas, daiquiris, mimosas, coladas etc were rotting in the waitress stands.

THINK OF THE UMBRELLA DRINKS!!! *sobs*

So there's that.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan March 04, 2016 7:06 AM  

WN retards going to the gun store, talk about fucking tarded. Let's take advice from that genius. Guns the magic talisman of the right, is such a stupid concept that it has allowed the worst human dreck (SJW) on the planet to actually capture the moral level of war, but since I guess the SJW don't support the local gun store enough they are destined to lose to magic guns or something.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan March 04, 2016 7:12 AM  

Trump's seasonal slaves were probably young hot white chicks. Spread that counter meme into the diseased minds of the leftards.

Anonymous JAG March 04, 2016 7:13 AM  

I already thought that this is what Trump meant after comparing his previous statements, but it is good for him to clarify.

I was already sold on Trump for many reasons then I see the 1st point on his medical reform is to repeal the jackboot on my neck, errr... I mean the individual mandate. Now I'm ready to take a bullet for the man. Go Trump!

Blogger Laramie Hirsch March 04, 2016 7:14 AM  

It's all about attacking Trump. Hardly a single one of these establishment media fools are giving the other "candidates" a second look. Not at their sketchy campaign teams, nor at their double-dealing pasts.

The whole damned primary is all about: "We've gotta stop Trump."

OpenID basementhomebrewer March 04, 2016 7:16 AM  

@18 That excuse may work if heavy pressure was being applied when he made his remark. He made his remark before Megyn even finished asking the question. It looked to me like he had prepared for that question and decided that he was going to change his mind and announce it there. The fact that he rolled it back later I would guess had more to do with a campaign manager asking him what the hell he was doing when he got off the stage. Especially if they checked the tweets he was getting about it.

Anonymous Steve March 04, 2016 7:19 AM  

"Toronto"BubbaGoldstein - it only takes one glimpse of Burt's glorious, glistening moustache to spread 'Murica!

Blogger Jack Aubrey March 04, 2016 7:19 AM  

tz wrote:I think it is the H2B for non-skilled. I was surprised Trump didn't nail Rubio with Disney.

It's been my lot to work with H1-B visa holders for much of my professional career. Calling them highly-skilled would be an insult to the highly-skilled.

Blogger Doom March 04, 2016 7:22 AM  

Laramie,

True. But that is actually quite beneficial. What the elites really, truly, do not understand is that it isn't Trump who is on trial. Actually, the trial is over and they have been found guilty. Media, politicians, political operators, businessmen at the higher end though when through group up they turn anti-American. The more they fight him the surer his nomination becomes. If they try to steal it, there will be trouble. And all their money and power means nothing in a general melee. Ask Rubio about his campaign, or Bush the Retard before him, same same same.

My guess is, as with Bush, they will find better things to do than campaign. *grins*

Anonymous VFM #6306 March 04, 2016 7:37 AM  

If Clinton's strategy is "Don't trust Trump: he might be as bad as me," it might just work!

Blogger Gaiseric March 04, 2016 7:51 AM  

It was still a major unforced error. What Trump needs to do is realize that this debate schedule now offers him no advantages and plenty of risks, and tell the RNC that he's done. He should have done that a few weeks ago, honestly. Are there even any more scheduled?

And then, before he gets to the general, he needs to really know the details of his policy positions backwards and forwards. Whether true or not, he gives the impression of not actually even knowing what his position papers say; as if they were written by someone he tapped to write them, and then didn't even study them himself.

Blogger Dad29 March 04, 2016 7:56 AM  

Umnnhhhh....Norm Matloff caught Trump's double-talk:

the Intels tend to get their H-1Bs as foreign students at U.S. universities, rather than importing them from India. The phrasing above, “The H-1B program is neither high-skilled nor immigration: these are temporary foreign workers, imported from abroad…” reflects that, and is right out of the official line of the IEEE-USA, which has been pushing “Staple a Green Card,” meaning to give automatic green cards to the foreign students. That of course deceptively defines away the H-1B problem, since the students wouldn’t get H-1B visas in the first place.

See: https://normsaysno.wordpress.com/2016/03/04/intels-infosyses-trump-followup/

Blogger Gaiseric March 04, 2016 7:56 AM  

On the other hand, the debate gave us this... http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/03/03/gop-debate-trump-reassures-nation-about-penis-size/

Blogger Phat Repat March 04, 2016 8:20 AM  

Gaiseric wrote:It was still a major unforced error. What Trump needs to do is realize that this debate schedule now offers him no advantages and plenty of risks, and tell the RNC that he's done. He should have done that a few weeks ago, honestly. Are there even any more scheduled?

And then, before he gets to the general, he needs to really know the details of his policy positions backwards and forwards. Whether true or not, he gives the impression of not actually even knowing what his position papers say; as if they were written by someone he tapped to write them, and then didn't even study them himself.


This. I like Trump but his droning on about "Making America Great Again" and "My programs will be very very special" is losing its impact. He has to start honing in on specifics and provide more substance in order to get me out to vote (something I haven't done for a very long time, as no candidate has been worthy of my consideration; not even as a protest vote). I believe he will surround himself with good people but the Presidency is more than just delegation.

Blogger JaimeInTexas March 04, 2016 8:22 AM  

I think the count of States in union was 13. Then, they went empire building under the new Constitution and the seed of destruction was planted.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan March 04, 2016 8:23 AM  

So the spergs are going to allow the SJW in tech a free pass? Come on spergs if you are going to rattle your sabres at Trump at least be useful and have a SJW impaled thru the ass on your sabre

Blogger JaimeInTexas March 04, 2016 8:24 AM  

I think the count of States in union was 13. Then, they went empire building under the new Constitution and the seed of destruction was planted.

Blogger Student in Blue March 04, 2016 8:29 AM  

So, I assume you believe that torture works? I mean, obviously if pressure brings out one's true opinions, then torturing people obviously brings out truth and is highly effective.

Or, maybe, just maybe, people can be pressured into saying things that aren't true, in which case...


Unfortunately, most people believe that about torture. It's blatantly obvious because 99% of fiction where the good guys have to torture the bad guys to get information... it's just "oh I'll do something terribly painful to you if you don't tell me!" And the bad guy will tell them correct information.

People just don't understand.

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler March 04, 2016 8:29 AM  

That Would Be Telling wrote:@15 W.LindsayWheeler:

"Poaching other peoples" was necessary in giving us a lead in nuclear weapons (although the most essential man was 100% American Leslie Groves) and, I'm pretty sure, a much better outcome to the protracted conflict between the Soviets and the rest of the world.

Technology is a much bigger factor than it was in John Jay's days, something that can win or lose wars and conflicts all by itself. And we don't have a monopoly on the brains that drive it, even if we haven't figured out how best to harness those not really if ever American brains we let in.


But the example you show of the missile race was that of Germans who already were a large part of the racial make-up of this country. Yes, Jews helped in the Nuclear Arms race--but they also sold nuclear secrets to their comrades in the USSR!

You ever consider the espionage factor in allowing in foreign talent? Don't you think that foreigners send not only military but also industrial secrets back to their homelands? Isn't blood thicker than water?

If somebody is doing something elsewhere, that is why we have the CIA and all sorts of electronic snooping gear. We don't need to hire foreigners!

Blogger Raggededge March 04, 2016 8:33 AM  

His repeatedly telling us that the military will do exactly as he tells them to worried me more than is H1B flip-flop.

Anonymous Big Bill March 04, 2016 8:44 AM  

"He has to start honing in on specifics and provide more substance in order to get me out to vote (something I haven't done for a very long time, as no candidate has been worthy of my consideration"

How about this: "As President I will enforce American immigration law." We got the laws. We just don't have any leader willing to enforce them.

Anonymous kfg March 04, 2016 9:00 AM  

"Technology is a much bigger factor than it was in John Jay's days, something that can win or lose wars and conflicts all by itself."

Thomas Jefferson was the first world leader to invest heavily in industrial mass production of machines comprised of interchangeable parts.

What machines? Rifles.

Anonymous Broken Arrow March 04, 2016 9:03 AM  

The GOP has to go for broke against Trump because if he wins it's over for most of them anyways.

Anonymous RC March 04, 2016 9:04 AM  

"Under pressure Trump let slip his true opinion.

You clearly don't understand how pressure works. People don't say what they truly think under pressure, they say what the person putting the pressure on wants to hear." - VD

I paid large tuition to understand this lesson, watching men I thought to be strong and capable melt under the heat of legal depositions and trial testimony. The most interesting aspect was how they rationalized their failure afterwards, one man actually informing me that his interrogator was "such a nice man, nothing like what he'd been told," this after the guy metaphorically removed his heart and showed it to him before he died. High pressure expertly applied can break a surprisingly high percentage of otherwise capable men.

Blogger Rusty Fife March 04, 2016 9:12 AM  

Phat Repat wrote:This. I like Trump but his droning on about "Making America Great Again" and "My programs will be very very special" is losing its impact. He has to start honing in on specifics and provide more substance in order to get me out to vote (something I haven't done for a very long time, as no candidate has been worthy of my consideration; not even as a protest vote).

He's not talking to those who can read, perhaps this is you. It is why he speaks at a 4th grade level, not 10th like Cruz. If you want details you can pour over and mull, then read his policy papers on his website.

Blogger Sheila4g March 04, 2016 9:24 AM  

@43 Phat Repat: "I like Trump but his droning on about "Making America Great Again" and "My programs will be very very special" is losing its impact. He has to start honing in on specifics and provide more substance . . . "

Agreed. While occasionally his stump speech will contain some good zingers (my husband had the tv on and I caught some of the Georgia rally prior to 1 March), I generally can't watch or listen to his campaign rallies (too many slogans, too general, too repetitive). He's much more thoughtful, detailed, and informed during individual interviews with the press, and should really move to more townhall-style events, taking questions from a smaller audience. He's already made his point about being able to draw mass crowds and get yuge numbers; he needs to focus more on specifics.

I still support him and trust him a bit more than Vox does - not because of anything specifically Trump has done, but because of his enemies and allies. Besides loathing all the frothing-at-the-mouth neocons and globalists, I generally trust Sessions and don't believe him to be a gullible patsy. If he's apparently unconcerned about Trump doing a total reversal on immigration policies, I'm inclined to give credence to his judgment.

Blogger James Dixon March 04, 2016 9:39 AM  

> Steve Sailer pointed out recently that Clinton is an older, dumber, less accomplished Merkel.

I think that may be giving Hillary too much credit.

> America managed to put a man on the moon sooner than any other nation WITHOUT bringing in foreign "best and brightest."

I'm pretty sure we brought in almost all of the German rocket experts after the war. I'd have to do some searching to find my sources for that though.

Blogger Phat Repat March 04, 2016 9:40 AM  

Big Bill wrote:

How about this: "As President I will enforce American immigration law." We got the laws. We just don't have any leader willing to enforce them.


I agree, though I still want a complete review since most 'laws' have loopholes (e.g. [dubious] Asylum, [domestic] Abuse, Religious [persecution], etc...).

Anonymous Steve March 04, 2016 9:42 AM  

People don't say what they truly think under pressure, they say what the person putting the pressure on wants to hear

Lots of folks think movies are real. So they expect A-HA! moments like Jack Nicholson's outburst in A Few Good Men.

But in real life, you're equally likely to say any old nonsense when you flub an answer in a high pressure situation. It happens all the time in court, in job interviews, and when confronted by an angry wife.

Donald Trump is an impressive man, but he's also human. And nearly 70 years old. And probably feeling the gruelling effects of this campaign - which has seen him take on the combined forces of the mass media and political establishment - more than his younger rivals.

Of course, he could be lying. But he keeps saying he's going to build The Wall, deport illegals, and reduce legal immigration.

So it comes down to whether you think Mr Trump is more honest than Mr Cruz, their respective chances of winning, and their ability to execute on their immigration plans.

Anonymous kfg March 04, 2016 9:44 AM  

"America managed to put a man on the moon sooner than any other nation WITHOUT bringing in foreign "best and brightest.""

[Insert your favorite double facepalm image here]

Blogger Phat Repat March 04, 2016 9:45 AM  

Rusty Fife wrote:
...
He's not talking to those who can read, perhaps this is you. ...


Yes, it's a cross I bear, unfortunately.

Anonymous The other robot March 04, 2016 9:50 AM  

Do we have to wait until late at night for that cuckservative Matt Edwards to turn up to argue that Trump flip flopped on immigration?

Will he claim that people are making a racial argument?

Will he tell us that Trumps ceiling is 40%?

Anonymous The other robot March 04, 2016 9:52 AM  

Ahhh, I see that the cuckservative Scott6584 is here. I guess they are tag teaming.

Blogger James Dixon March 04, 2016 9:57 AM  

> Ahhh, I see that the cuckservative Scott6584 is here. I guess they are tag teaming.

Please. Scott's posts have been reasonable and he hasn't insulted everyone else. Matt's (140 IQ) posts not so much so.

Blogger YIH March 04, 2016 9:59 AM  

Faceless:
We want as many O-1s as we can get.
O-1 is a non-issue. For those who don't know, O visas is the ''special talent'' visa; actors, musicians, athletes, ect.
Justin Bieber resides/performs (if you want to call it that) in the US on one.

Anonymous kfg March 04, 2016 9:59 AM  

"Scott's posts have been reasonable . . ."

But his search term for the day is "Peenemünde".

Blogger bob k. mando March 04, 2016 10:10 AM  

56. Scott6584 March 04, 2016 9:35 AM
America managed to put a man on the moon sooner than any other nation WITHOUT bringing in foreign "best and brightest."



you have got to be one of the most ignorant sluts poasting.

Wernher von Braun was only one of MANY brought it by Operation Paperclip but his example alone is sufficient to refute you.

you see, he *ran* the NASA Saturn V program.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wernher_von_Braun

Blogger bob k. mando March 04, 2016 10:11 AM  

oh, also? America is the ONLY nation to put a man on the moon.

even if we stooped to using Nazi brains to do it.

Blogger Rusty Fife March 04, 2016 10:12 AM  

YIH wrote:Justin Bieber resides/performs (if you want to call it that) in the US on one

That is reason enough to start the mass deportation train.

Blogger RC March 04, 2016 10:14 AM  

@Scottxxxx: "America managed to put a man on the moon sooner than any other nation WITHOUT bringing in foreign "best and brightest."

Scott, the Germans brought in after WWII did the vast majority of the heavy lifting re: rocketry. You need another example.

Blogger Rusty Fife March 04, 2016 10:14 AM  

bob k. mando wrote:oh, also? America is the ONLY nation to put a man on the moon.

even if we stooped to using Nazi brains to do it.


It would have been cooler of they were in jars.

Blogger Young Heaving Bosoms of Silence March 04, 2016 10:15 AM  

The other robot wrote:Do we have to wait until late at night for that cuckservative Matt Edwards to turn up to argue that Trump flip flopped on immigration?

He's on JIDF time.

Blogger YIH March 04, 2016 10:16 AM  

Rusty Fife:
That is reason enough to start the mass deportation train.
From your mouth to God's ears...
Canada can have him back.

Blogger Gaiseric March 04, 2016 10:20 AM  

James Dixon wrote:Please. Scott's posts have been reasonable and he hasn't insulted everyone else. Matt's (140 IQ) posts not so much so.
I'll take 100 Scotts over one Matt Edwards. I still think he's wrong, but he's a way better neighbor.

Blogger praetorian March 04, 2016 10:26 AM  

Concern trolls will be coming hot and heavy, folks.

"I liked trump, but..." == Opinion discarded

Anonymous map March 04, 2016 10:32 AM  

VD makes a good point. Trump is a wildcard, but we all know what Kruzio is going to do.

Blogger James Dixon March 04, 2016 10:33 AM  

> Wernher von Braun

Thanks, Bob. I was trying to remember a name I could Google to get the information, but drawing a blank.

Blogger YIH March 04, 2016 10:45 AM  

map:
VD makes a good point. Trump is a wildcard, but we all know what Kruzio is going to do.
I suspect Cruz would be little different than Shrub when it comes to immigration, dwell on foreign policy and ignore the issue. Then later push something not called amnesty that's actually amnesty.

Blogger Jourdan March 04, 2016 11:01 AM  

This statement is an immense relief. I was actually upset about this last night. Having personally issued H1B visas, I know all too well just what a scam it is. (Note: we don't have much discretion or ability to deny such petition based visas so long as the boxes are all checked, unlike, say, a B1/B2 application, where we have loads of discretion to deny.)

Anonymous johnc March 04, 2016 11:06 AM  

Trump's general principle on immigrant labor remains clear: he does not support importing foreign workers to lower the wages of American jobs.

Now I do appreciate the need to maintain morale, but we have to be honest with ourselves if we want to keep pushing forward.

If the guy was "clear" about anything, it's not what you're saying here. He said very plainly that we need to "bring in foreign laborers," [to do the jobs Americans don't want to do] "have them do the work, and then send them back." That is with regard to "seasonal" workers. How the hell does that help us? He's not talking about bringing them in from Europe, folks.

Then, with regards to Silicon Valley -- which is 75% foreign btw -- he said, right there, that we need more foreign workers in Silicon Valley.

The question of H-1B visas was plain as day. Now anybody who has been paying attention to the news knows that the big laugher is that Americans all across the country are being forced to train their Indian replacements. Like a wife forcing you into a divorce, in order to get your half of the house the court orders you to watch her lover -- who's going to get half of your shit in the settlement -- screw her. That's the employment equivalent of this H-1B program. Donald Cuck was clear: he changed, right there, his position on H-1Bs. Kelly asked him to clarify. She asked him if he realizes he's saying the opposite of what's on his website. He doubles down, for any of the doubters in the audience. "Yes, I'm changing my position."

And then after the debate, at 9:24pm (timezone unknown) his original position is re-affirmed by his campaign. So...? He changed again...?

Come on... we all know he's pulling our leg on immigration and is just a candidate smart enough to know what people want to hear, but inexperienced enough with politics to not realize that he's playing with fire.

And I agree with Gaiseric re: the fact that Trump is completely detached from his own campaign managers. For two debates in a row he's shown that he doesn't even know what's on his website, which is simply supposed to be an outlet for his official campaign positions.

Screw this guy. He's a fraud, just telling us what we want to hear.

Blogger VD March 04, 2016 11:15 AM  

Your blind faith in Trump is simply pathetic. Even after the man exposes himself, you don't want to believe. I suppose it is his "alpha" charm. You're like a bunch of women swooning. It's just sickening to watch.

Good. You should stop watching. Just to help you, I'll spam you the next time you comment here.

Blogger VD March 04, 2016 11:16 AM  

Screw this guy. He's a fraud, just telling us what we want to hear.

Do you support deporting 12 million illegal aliens and building a wall across the southern border?

Blogger James Dixon March 04, 2016 11:17 AM  

> Screw this guy. He's a fraud, just telling us what we want to hear.

A certain law about projection comes to mind.

Anonymous johnc March 04, 2016 11:27 AM  

Do you support deporting 12 million illegal aliens and building a wall across the southern border?

Sure, as does probably everybody here.

I understand your position. I'm not saying you're off, I'm just predicting what we probably all know (at some level) is coming.

That's why it's important to make as big of a ruckus out of this as humanly possible. Trump needs to know in no uncertain terms that if he betrays us, there will be consequences. He needs to know that he can't win if he gets mealy-mouthed on immigration. And he needs to know if he does win and turns his back on us... well, with all the anger out there, I don't even want to speculate publicly.

We have to find our leverage and use it too.

Anonymous The other robot March 04, 2016 11:30 AM  

That's why it's important to make as big of a ruckus out of this as humanly possible. Trump needs to know in no uncertain terms that if he betrays us, there will be consequences.

Like what? You will refuse to have sex with him?

You need to be more specific.

Anonymous BGKB March 04, 2016 11:34 AM  

H1bs are "skilled labor" the same way 10,000 pages of corny set asides is "Free Trade"

"The point is that he has to flip-flop in order to be a problem. We already know what all the other guys will do".

Would you rather your daughters car break down in the middle of the night in front of BigGaySteve's house or Bill C's?

As to the secret meeting. I am still supporting Trump

The promise of foam parties at the white house every weekend does sound tempting.

Poaching other peoples" was necessary in giving us a lead in nuclear weapons

And space rockets, the NOT SEE scientists told everything they knew but the US couldn't build them right until the NOT SEE's supervised construction.

Trump needs to do is realize that this debate schedule now offers him no advantages and plenty of risks, and tell the RNC that he's done.

I posted yesterday that only 40 out of 300+ tickets went to non GOPe, if he is doing any more debates they should split the tickets between the candidates.

You ever consider the espionage factor in allowing in foreign talent?

We had working thorium salt reactors in the 1960s but went with the nuke power that makes weapons, china wants to make thorium salt reactors but cant copy it.

Scott6584 America managed to put a man on the moon sooner than any other nation because it snatched up Not SEE scientists before the Russians could.

Blogger Student in Blue March 04, 2016 11:37 AM  

The question of H-1B visas was plain as day.

Did you miss the part where Megyn incorrectly said his previous position was 'highly skilled immigrants will decimate America'?

H-1Bs are not highly skilled, but the MSM keeps touting that as if it's true.

Anonymous RJ March 04, 2016 11:41 AM  

"Unfortunately, most people believe that about torture. It's blatantly obvious because 99% of fiction where the good guys have to torture the bad guys to get information... it's just "oh I'll do something terribly painful to you if you don't tell me!" And the bad guy will tell them correct information.

People just don't understand."

There are 5 lights.

Blogger bob k. mando March 04, 2016 11:42 AM  

74. praetorian March 04, 2016 10:26 AM
Concern trolls will be coming hot and heavy, folks.



yeah, you've got your low level shitpoasters like Hoyt, who crap all over people as any kayfabe Heel would and then whine because you knock down M1 Abrams sized holes in their 'arguments'.

the next level up is the fake friend, "i really like you guys but ..."

who are WAY more dangerous because they're not just liars ( like the first group ), they are deceivers and artificers of low cunning.

Anonymous johnc March 04, 2016 11:48 AM  

Like what? You will refuse to have sex with him?

You need to be more specific.


What do you mean, "like what"? How about he needs to know that we won't vote for him if he goes "soft" (his word) on immigration? Or is he supposed to think that he's got our vote sewn up regardless of what he says?

My view is this: when he came out and proposed "a complete and total ban on Muslim immigration, until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on", his poll numbers should go to 95%, so that the whole world knows where WE stand.

And when he says he's softening his position on visas and importing foreign labor, his poll numbers should go to 5%, again, so that the whole world knows where we stand.

Anonymous RJ March 04, 2016 11:49 AM  

Stop with the "11 million illegals" thing. There were at least 38-40 million illegals in the U.S. in 2007:

How many illegals are here?

"...it is likely that in mid-2005 more than 20 million illegal aliens presently resided in the United States, with up to 12,000 additional illegal aliens entering every day during peak invasion months.

Under the Obama administration, the Border Patrol has been essentially incapicated, Obama's DACA amnesty has been issued, the child illegal alien invasion has occurred, and deportation numbers have been fudged. It would be reasonable to project that if 20 million illegal aliens were present in 2005, 38 to 40 million illegal aliens could certainly reside in the United States in 2014.

Indeed, 38 million to 40 million illegal aliens were estimated to reside in the United States in 2007 - see Illegal Aliens: Counting the Uncountable by James H. Walsh, The Social Contract, Summer, 2007.

This analysis does not factor in the unconstitutional Obama amnesty travesty of November 20, 2014"

Blogger YIH March 04, 2016 12:03 PM  

BGKB:
The promise of foam parties at the white house every weekend does sound tempting.
Hosted by ''Little Marco''?
That was a quality shiv.

Anonymous BGKB March 04, 2016 12:10 PM  

Hosted by ''Little Marco''? That was a quality shiv.

From your link: "Let's hear it, Big Donald," Rubio interjected.

Anonymous BGKB March 04, 2016 12:12 PM  

To be honest Rubio doesn't look like a gay Cuban from Miami, the heat and the cocaine would have prevented him from getting the second chin.

Blogger Were-Puppy March 04, 2016 12:18 PM  

@4 White Devil

Why is it worse for Trump to (ChangeHisMind/Lie/BeWrong) about (Wall/Education/Llamas) than it is for every other candidate to have so much contempt for the voters to never want to raise, let alone take a popular position on a given issue?
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To paraphrase and old saying:

Being a globalist means never having to say you're sorry.

Anonymous Steve March 04, 2016 12:20 PM  

"Let's hear it, Big Donald," Rubio interjected.

You know he nearly said "Daddy".

Blogger Were-Puppy March 04, 2016 12:27 PM  

@12 Haxo Angmark
hilarious. Rattled by Megyn, Trump's White Nationalist mask slips and reveals the grinning globalist visage underneath.
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hilarious. Another genius talking about white nationalism. Where we can select from such wonderful whiteys as Hitlery Clinton, Bernie Saunders, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Mitt Romney, Bob Dole, blah blah blah.

Anonymous That Would Be Telling March 04, 2016 12:30 PM  

@85 BGKB:

H1bs are "skilled labor" the same way 10,000 pages of corny set asides is "Free Trade"

It's a little better for those that graduate from US colleges first, those are the ones the "Intels" hire as Norm Matloff puts it (he's now actively blogging, read it for more than you want to know about this mess), Infosys level H1-Bs wouldn't be any help in designing a chip.

"Poaching other peoples" was necessary in giving us a lead in nuclear weapons

And space rockets, the NOT SEE scientists told everything they knew but the US couldn't build them right until the NOT SEE's supervised construction.


The Huntsville Concentration Camp is one of the more obscure Cold War historical sites.

You ever consider the espionage factor in allowing in foreign talent?

I never said it wasn't a two edged sword. And in the case of the Manhattan Project, we still ended up with a much better result.

We had working thorium salt reactors in the 1960s but went with the nuke power that makes weapons, china wants to make thorium salt reactors but cant copy it.

Nah, we went with uranium reactors because that's how we had to start, graphite moderated natural uranium fed to breed plutonium, and because, with highly enough enriched uranium, they make good simple compact power reactors for subs (thorium reactors are not simple and couldn't be made as compact). See the USS Nautilus, operating starting in the mid-50s.

There was no examination of whether this approach was best for much larger scale civilian power reactors, probably much like almost all the rockets used to loft payloads started as military ones, which weren't designed for low cost of operation. See SpaceX, founded and run by a South African, for our current best hope for a realistic lower cost and civilian design based effort....

OpenID sigbouncer March 04, 2016 12:36 PM  

"Donald Trump is an impressive man, but he's also human. And nearly 70 years old. And probably feeling the gruelling effects of this campaign - which has seen him take on the combined forces of the mass media and political establishment - more than his younger rivals."

Bingo. Winner!

Something that nobody is talking about. Both Cruz and Rubio have just hit the midway point of their 40's. They are both far to young, inexperienced with respects to life experiences and immature to be POTUS. And before anyone comes back at me with "Teddy Roosevelt was young". Teddy Roosevelt was in a different time and era where men both grew up and died far sooner than they do today.

OpenID sigbouncer March 04, 2016 12:38 PM  

"too young"

Blogger Were-Puppy March 04, 2016 12:38 PM  

@20 Captain Transamerica, the Stevil soldier

I give it about 1 year before you're replaced by Captain Transafricanamerica, the Sha-Quarpton Soldier

Because diversity

Blogger JaimeInTexas March 04, 2016 12:39 PM  

An Admin issue, I noticed my post was duplicated. I posted as a reply to @15 from my Android cell phone.

Anonymous Transafricanamerica, the Sha-Quarpton Soldier March 04, 2016 12:41 PM  

Where da white superheros at?

Anonymous Cassie March 04, 2016 12:44 PM  

Student in Blue wrote:
H-1Bs are not highly skilled, but the MSM keeps touting that as if it's true.


Well, if you set the skill level of the average MSM journalist as your baseline....

Blogger Were-Puppy March 04, 2016 12:48 PM  

@32 Mr.MantraMan
Trump's seasonal slaves were probably young hot white chicks. Spread that counter meme into the diseased minds of the leftards.
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For the strip clubs? LOL

Blogger Were-Puppy March 04, 2016 12:50 PM  

@35 basementhomebrewer
The fact that he rolled it back later I would guess had more to do with a campaign manager asking him what the hell he was doing when he got off the stage. Especially if they checked the tweets he was getting about it.
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If that's the case, then good. It's better than checking the back channels to see if Mitt Romney, Canadians, Donors,etc approved.

Blogger Were-Puppy March 04, 2016 12:53 PM  

@36 Steve
"Toronto"BubbaGoldstein - it only takes one glimpse of Burt's glorious, glistening moustache to spread 'Murica!
--

Steve, were you aware the Iceman was a music act also?

https://youtu.be/cXk9qywB6Kg

Blogger Were-Puppy March 04, 2016 12:59 PM  

@41 Dad29
Umnnhhhh....Norm Matloff caught Trump's double-talk:
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Infosys is one of the worst perpetrators from what I have been hearing.

If Trump really wants to settle this, he should put an entire halt to all immigration, illegal and legal, until "we figure out whats going on".

Anonymous Ezekiel Cassandros March 04, 2016 1:03 PM  

What Trump did say is that he favors high-skilled immigration because, something like "we have these highly-skilled people getting degrees in America and they really want to stay in this country."

I work in an applied science field in which it is generally acknowledged that there simply aren't enough jobs to meet the supply of people, American and foreign, who get through the graduate programs.

So it's good he intends to require Americans be hired first. I can't speak for other fields, but it's not just illegals and H-1Bs that are worthy of concern.

Blogger Were-Puppy March 04, 2016 1:04 PM  

@49 Raggededge

His repeatedly telling us that the military will do exactly as he tells them to worried me more than is H1B flip-flop.
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So you prefer an insubordinate military that disobeys the commander in chief?

OpenID protestmanager March 04, 2016 1:05 PM  

"Trump's general principle on immigrant labor remains clear: he does not support importing foreign workers to lower the wages of American jobs."

That is a nice claim, but it's demonstrably untrue. Because if it was true, his Miami bar would be hiring American workers not foreign ones, and he wouldn't have done all that building with Polish illegal immigrants.

I am a conservative with libertarian desires, and a strong American nationalist. I have absolutely no problem with torturing terrorists for information, and I have no problem with carry out nasty reprisals against illegal combatants.

But Trump is a lying sack of sh!t, and you're being played. He's a corrupt Manhattan Cosmo, and he's no more of an American nationalist than is Hillary Clinton.


"Whether you support Trump or not, the fact that he might have slipped up once when under attack from three sides is not indicative of his true position on immigration"

1: Two sides. Kasich is a pussy.
2: The claim for H1Bs is that they ARE for the purpose of bringing in "highly skilled immigrants".
3: Sorry, but I don't think a fair reading of the transcripts supports your defense of Trump:

KELLY: Mr. Trump, your campaign website to this day argues that more visas for highly skilled workers would, quote, “decimate American workers”. However, at the CNBC debate, you spoke enthusiastically in favor of these visas. So, which is it?

TRUMP: I’m changing. I’m changing. We need highly skilled people in this country, and if we can’t do it, we’ll get them in. But, and we do need in Silicon Valley, we absolutely have to have. So, we do need highly skilled, and one of the biggest problems we have is people go to the best colleges. They’ll go to Harvard, they’ll go to Stanford, they’ll go to Wharton, as soon as they’re finished they’ll get shoved out. They want to stay in this country. They want to stay here desperately, they’re not able to stay here. For that purpose, we absolutely have to be able to keep the brain power in this country.

KELLY: So you’re abandoning the position on your website . . .

TRUMP: . . . I’m changing it, and I’m softening the position because we have to have talented people in this country.


Trump is an uninformed poser and BS artist. Like Ben Carson, he's, at best, too arrogant to take the time, sit down, and actually learn what's going on so that he can have a reasonable opinion on much of anything.

Note: I like what his website says about H1Bs, but it's obvious that what the website says isn't actually Trump's opinion, because he, himself, doesn't know enough to have that opinion.

Which is why he says stupid things like he did last night, and the previous debate.

Come to Ted Cruz. He's by no means perfect, but he's far and away the best of what's left.

OpenID protestmanager March 04, 2016 1:13 PM  

@109 Were-Puppy:

I prefer a military that's bound by the laws of war to one that's the personal troops of the current President. So should you.

Or would you prefer to have a US military that obeyed illegal orders by Obama to round up all American nationalists?


Now, would the carrying out of legitimate reprisals be an actual war crime? No. Should the US military refuse to carry them out? No.

Should the US Military always be bound by their Oath, which is to Duty, Honor, Country, in that order?

Oh hell yes!

OpenID sigbouncer March 04, 2016 1:13 PM  

"Come to Ted Cruz. He's by no means perfect, but he's far and away the best of what's left."

Ted Cruz is an immature lying establishment whore. You couldn't pay me enough to cast my vote for the anchor baby who uses religion as a front. Disgusting.

Roger Stone ‏@RogerJStoneJr 7h7 hours ago

Why does @tedcruz keeping lying about @realDonaldTrump supporting Carter when Trump was on the Reagan 80 finance committee?

Roger Stone ‏@RogerJStoneJr 14h14 hours ago

.@realDonaldTrump straight and to the point. @marcorubio smarmy billionaire boy toy. @tedcruz a skeezy liar. Time to #MakeAmericaGreatAgain

Anonymous BigGayKoranBurner March 04, 2016 1:14 PM  

49 Raggededge His repeatedly telling us that the military will do exactly as he tells them to worried me more than is H1B flip-flop.

When Bath House Barry Obama shows up at military bases they take the firing pins from guard weapons. TRUMP could get the lower enlisted to line up the perfumed princesses of the pentagon for a firing squad for treason.

OT: Milo makes boys cry.
http://www.gaypatriot.net/2016/03/04/nero-traumatizes-special-gay-college-snowflakes/

Anonymous BigGayKoranBurner March 04, 2016 1:19 PM  

Or would you prefer to have a US military that obeyed illegal orders by Obama to round up all American nationalists?

The military is K selected, the sharp side of the sabre are nationalists. You wont get much accomplished with affirmative action troops. Women and most gay men think that all they have to do is put something on paper and men have to carry it out. Even the gays in the military understand Braken https://westernrifleshooters.wordpress.com/2013/01/07/bracken-dear-mr-security-agent/ It goes without saying trigger warning.

Blogger BunE22 March 04, 2016 1:25 PM  

@12

If Trump is really a globalist the GOPe would be embracing him. Instead it's Stop Trump 24/7.

Anonymous Mr. Rational March 04, 2016 1:25 PM  

RC wrote:the Germans brought in after WWII did the vast majority of the heavy lifting re: rocketry.
And they got their start from the work of Robert H. Goddard, American.  The difference is that Von Braun had the support of his government, and Goddard did not.

Blogger bob k. mando March 04, 2016 1:26 PM  

110. protestmanager March 04, 2016 1:05 PM
Come to Ted Cruz. He's by no means perfect, but he's far and away the best of what's left.



if the 'best' that the US can manage is a Canadian citizen of Cuban extraction, perhaps the US doesn't deserve to survive.

Blogger Were-Puppy March 04, 2016 1:48 PM  

@61 The other robot
Do we have to wait until late at night for that cuckservative Matt Edwards to turn up to argue that Trump flip flopped on immigration?
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he was having a Mai Tai Massacre over it last night. I believe he had a hate boner for Trump that lasted more than 4 hours, and he reported to a Canadian hospital.



@110 protestmanager

Come to Ted Cruz. He's by no means perfect, but he's far and away the best of what's left.
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Canadian Anchor Babies, doing the jobs that Americans Wont Do.



@111 protestmanager
@109 Were-Puppy:

I prefer a military that's bound by the laws of war to one that's the personal troops of the current President. So should you.

Or would you prefer to have a US military that obeyed illegal orders by Obama to round up all American nationalists?
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I see what you are saying. They won't have to obey the commands of any Cuban usurpers, which is a good thing

Blogger Scott6584 March 04, 2016 2:04 PM  

@86

Playing semantic games about what is an H1-B visa vs. an O1-C visa goes right over the heads of most Americans, who are unfamiliar with the technicalities of immigration law. The Main point of supporting Trump was to limit both illegal and legal immigration of all kinds. Trump can't get away with parsing his answers and hiding behind legal technicalities.

The main takeaway is that now he has come out and said that he is in favor of foreigners taking away jobs from Americans. It doesn't really matter if those are skilled or unskilled workers. There are a whole lot of Millenial STEM college graduates that cannot pay off their student loans because the tech companies are hiring aliens.

The bottom line is that Trump just blew a hole in his own boat, and now it can be expected to leak water in. It remains to be seen how big that hole is, but he just gave a "Yuuuuuge" weapon to his opponents, both now and in the fall.

OpenID sigbouncer March 04, 2016 2:13 PM  

http://www.infowars.com/did-ted-cruz-eat-a-booger-during-the-republican-debate/

The Texas Senator may have had the most (unintentionally) gross moment of the night, as he appeared to eat a booger that dangled from his nose and eventually fell from his lip and into his mouth. The moment caught the almost immediate attention of social media, where many people shared the video and tried to figure out if they saw what they thought the did.

[Video of the booger-eating can be found below, for those who really need to see it.]


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFr3DSpgmx4

Anonymous johnc March 04, 2016 2:53 PM  

And just to clarify, in the debate Trump said that he supported foreign workers for highly-skilled jobs, as well as foreign workers for low-skilled jobs such as those that he employs, and foreign workers for everything in-between. So distinguishing skill level is a moot point.

I'm also not sure that it's fair to say that H-1Bs are only for low-skill labor. I know people think IT work is pretty low-brow like mowing grass, but H-1Bs also cover software engineers as well; though I guess some might think that is also unskilled labor.

The whole visa program is a big fraud. Most of the "exceptional" people in the world could be brought in on just exceptions. We don't need visa programs.

Employment of foreigners is the primary attack vector of immigration, both legal and illegal. "Refugee" programs is another, but lesser method.

Blogger jmarinara March 04, 2016 3:39 PM  

VD said: "Trump's general principle on immigrant labor remains clear: he does not support importing foreign workers to lower the wages of American jobs."

Which is totally crap because, once again, the actual actions do not interest your typical Donald Trump aupporter.

http://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/opn-columns-blogs/carl-hiaasen/article62444737.html

Blogger Josh March 04, 2016 3:52 PM  

Trump's only principle on immigration is Build A Wall.

That's it.

He's flip flopped on every other part of his immigration policy.

Blogger Were-Puppy March 04, 2016 4:11 PM  

Trump should bring back the "HE HATE ME" jersey

Blogger Scott6584 March 04, 2016 4:41 PM  

In other news, Trump has unexpectedly withdrawn from attending CPAC to give a speech on Saturday morning because of a pressing engagement in "Witchita, Kanasas."

Trump: "I know words. I have the best words"

LOL

OpenID protestmanager March 04, 2016 5:04 PM  

@112 sigbouncer:

Perhaps it's because Stone is lying?

http://www.wsj.com/articles/records-show-scant-reagan-trump-ties-1442359829

One month after Mr. Reagan announced his candidacy on Nov. 13, 1979, Mr. Trump, his parents, sister and brother each made the maximum federal campaign contribution allowed—but not to Mr. Reagan. The Trumps all gave to the re-election campaign of Democratic President Jimmy Carter, according to Federal Election Commission records.

FEC records show no donation from Mr. Trump to Mr. Reagan for four more years. In fact, 10 months after Mr. Reagan’s 1981 inauguration, Mr. Trump made an early contribution to the political-action committee for the presidential bid of former Vice President Walter Mondale, a Democrat.

...

In March 1984, Mr. Trump made his first political donation to Mr. Reagan, giving $1,000 to his re-election campaign committee. A year later, Mr. Trump snagged an invitation to one of the most prestigious of Washington events, a state dinner, this one in honor of King Fahd of Saudi Arabia.


According to the WSJ, there are NO FEC records of Trump giving money to Reagan before 1984. Feel free to come up with some documentation proving this wrong.

But until you find it, Cruz is a truth teller, and Trump was a Carter supporter.

OpenID protestmanager March 04, 2016 5:10 PM  

So, let's see if I have this straight:

Ted Cruz, who was born in Canada to an American mother and a Cuba father, is a Canadian, because I guess the "magic dirt" in Canada is so strong it wipes out his entire heritage.

Do I have that correct?

OpenID protestmanager March 04, 2016 5:16 PM  

I do find it very sad that there are a bunch of American nationalists here who think that Canada's "magic dirt" is so strong that a few years spent on it is enough to wipe out the American heritage Cruz literally imbibed with his mother's milk.

You really think that Canada's that more powerful than America?

Blogger kennymac March 04, 2016 5:32 PM  

I could vote for Cruz, if only most of his supporters weren't insufferable D-bags.

Blogger Were-Puppy March 04, 2016 6:25 PM  

I can't even...

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-republicans-ryan-idUSMTZSAPEC34IQ9V68

Blogger Were-Puppy March 04, 2016 6:29 PM  

@127 protestmanager

So, let's see if I have this straight:

---

Here, let me reprise the Beck method of figuring this out:
(1 Mailman + 1 random female) + any soil = The Son of a Mailman

(1 american male + 1 american female) + US. Soil = Natural Born Citizen

(1 cuban male + 1 cuban female) + US. Soil = anchor baby

(1 Cuban male + 1 american female) + Candian soil = WTF??

Blogger James Dixon March 04, 2016 7:28 PM  

> 1 Cuban male + 1 american female) + Candian soil = WTF??

Apologies in advance to Dusty Springfield:

The only candidate that could ever reach me, was the son of Cuban man.
The only candidate that could ever teach me, was the son of a Cuban man.
Yes he was, he was, ooh, yes he was

Blogger The Other Robot March 04, 2016 9:37 PM  

@131: Don't bother. Protestmanager is another cuckservative and probably a concern troll as well.

Why do they all come and invade our nice little echo room? I mean, if we are all simply wrong wouldn't it be better not to disturb us while we are making such serious mistakes?

At least that's what Napoleon taught me.

Blogger Matt Edwards March 04, 2016 10:17 PM  

Trump is a weathervane. He has no fixed principles, and will sell out his supporters in a heartbeat once elected.

OpenID protestmanager March 04, 2016 10:27 PM  

@131 Were-Puppy

(1 Cuban male + 1 american female) + American soil = ???

I'm curious as to your answer here.

Cruz spent < 4 years in Canada, with an American mother, spent > 40 in America. Just how powerful is that Canadian dirt? Why are a bunch of supposed American nationalists all so convinced that Canada is > 10x as strong as the US?

Blogger Matt Edwards March 04, 2016 10:27 PM  

40. Gaiseric March 04, 2016 7:51 AM
It was still a major unforced error. What Trump needs to do is realize that this debate schedule now offers him no advantages and plenty of risks, and tell the RNC that he's done. He should have done that a few weeks ago, honestly. Are there even any more scheduled?

I agree. Trump needs to tell everybody waiting for the next debate that he doesn't need to present himself to the nation. He's too good for that, and it wouldn't benefit him. Just like Hillary tried to do.

Blogger Matt Edwards March 04, 2016 10:30 PM  

43. Phat Repat March 04, 2016 8:20 AM
I like Trump but his droning on about "Making America Great Again" and "My programs will be very very special" is losing its impact. He has to start honing in on specifics and provide more substance in order to get me out to vote...

You can forget about it, because Trump doesn't have any specifics. He's all talk, and none of it substantive.

Blogger Matt Edwards March 04, 2016 10:34 PM  

61. The other robot
Yes.

Blogger Matt Edwards March 04, 2016 10:37 PM  

71. Young Heaving Bosoms of Silence
I'm flattered. Since early this morning, you've all been pining for me.
Did you miss the ass kickings I gave you?

Blogger Matt Edwards March 04, 2016 10:42 PM  

77. YIH March 04, 2016 10:45 AM
I suspect Cruz would be little different than Shrub when it comes to immigration, dwell on foreign policy and ignore the issue. Then later push something not called amnesty that's actually amnesty.

Sure. That's why Cruz led the effort to kill the Gang of Eight in the House -- because he was just biding his time until he could bring it up on his own, instead of just supporting the bill the first time.
It's the triple secret reverse bluff.

OpenID protestmanager March 04, 2016 10:44 PM  

@133: The Other Robot

Yes, it is so much better to throw out meaningless insults at people than to actually attempt to engage their argument!

If your mistake were just hurting you, i'd leave you here to sulk. Everyone has the fundamental right to screw up their own lives, after all. Since it unfortunately hurts the rest of us, too, I figured I'd engage.

So far, the score is:
1: WSJ claims they looked at FEC records, Trump and 4 family members each maxed out for Jimmy Carter in 1979, Trump gave to early Mondale PAC in 1981. Trump gave nothing to Reagan until 1984, when he didn't even max out.

No one has any data to counter this claim.
-> Cruz is a truth teller, Stone is a liar, and Trump supported Carter over Reagan.

2: A bunch of people who claim to reject the "magic dirt" theory claim that Cruz being born in Canada and living there for less than 4 years with his American mother cancels out all his American-ness.

Because Canada apparently has really amazing magic dirt.

3: Trump has repudiated "his" immigration plan in two straight debates, then, once he's been reached by a handler, has walked back his repudiation. The transcript shows it was clear what he was talking about, he just briefly screwed up and told the truth about his "flexibility".

-> Trump is a lying BS artist, a Manhattan Democrat running in the Republican Primary because the Democrat one was blocked by the Clinton's, pretending to have a good immigration policy just long enough to get the Republican nomination, before he screws over every one who hoped he might not be lying about immigration.

You don't like the Republican establishment. Great, I agree with you. I'd love to see the whole lot get fired. But while Ted Cruz really will screw over the people who deserve it, Trump will screw us.

Your choice.

Blogger Matt Edwards March 04, 2016 10:54 PM  

109. Were-Puppy March 04, 2016 1:04 PM
So you prefer an insubordinate military that disobeys the commander in chief?

We've already seen that before. It was called the "Nuremberg Trials."
It's why there's such a thing as an unlawful order.

Blogger The Other Robot March 04, 2016 10:56 PM  

If your mistake were just hurting you, i'd leave you here to sulk. Everyone has the fundamental right to screw up their own lives, after all. Since it unfortunately hurts the rest of us, too, I figured I'd engage.

So, you are a concern troll. Thanks for letting us know.

Blogger The Other Robot March 04, 2016 10:58 PM  

We've already seen that before. It was called the "Nuremberg Trials."

Oh wow, an allusion to Hitler.

You guys are just one-trick ponies, aren't you?

OpenID sigbouncer March 04, 2016 10:58 PM  

"@112 sigbouncer:

Perhaps it's because Stone is lying?

http://www.wsj.com/articles/records-show-scant-reagan-trump-ties-1442359829"

Perhaps not.

'Most people remember George Bush Sr. as Ronald Reagan's vice president. Most people forget that George Bush and Ronald Reagan were Republican rivals in 1980. Both men had to battle for the Republican nomination, but George Bush was the establishment candidate that most Republican donors and elites wanted. Ronald Reagan was the outsider who threatened to turn the entire establishment on its head. Sounds familiar, doesn't it?

When candidates plan to run for office or a party's nomination, they set up exploratory committees and finance committees. Donald Trump was on Ronald Reagan's finance committee from 1979 to 1980. Both Donald and his father were at Ronald Reagan's public announcement for his candidacy.

It's unlikely that Trump and Reagan were the best of friends, but it's just as unlikely that they hated each other as the Wall Street Journal and Politico have claimed. Donald Trump, being a resident of deep blue New York, donated to local Democrats just as most corporations and businesses do. The tactic is called “hedging” in the political/business world. In New York, Democrats are 75% more likely to win office than Republicans. Nationally, their chances are about 50/50.

Former Reagan administration official, Roger Stone, has also confirmed Trump's personal loyalty to Reagan. Although their personalities aren't comparable, their similarities are uncanny. Both men were loathed by the Republican establishment and both had to step over a Bush.'

http://www.poletical.com/trump-is-not-a-democrat.php

http://www.poletical.com/resources/TRUMP_Reagan.jpg?timestamp=1451627978510

http://www.theautofinger.com/Shared/images/Gallery/Celebs/Political/RogerStoneSol.jpg

http://www.theautofinger.com/Shared/images/Gallery/Celebs/Political/RogerStoneSol.jpg

http://www.therightplanet.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Roger-Stone-Kasich-Tweet.png

OpenID sigbouncer March 04, 2016 11:04 PM  

Double posted pic @146

Should have been this.

http://www.resistanceradio.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/stone.reagan-300x175.jpg

Blogger Matt Edwards March 04, 2016 11:08 PM  

145. The Other Robot
If you can cite as infamous an example of "just following orders," I'm all ears.

OpenID sigbouncer March 04, 2016 11:09 PM  

"No one has any data to counter this claim.
-> Cruz is a truth teller, Stone is a liar, and Trump supported Carter over Reagan."

Wrong. See @146

http://www.poletical.com/trump-is-not-a-democrat.php

http://www.poletical.com/resources/TRUMP_Reagan.jpg?timestamp=1451627978510

Blogger Mr. Young Heaving Bosoms of Badposting March 04, 2016 11:15 PM  

Matt Edwards,

Are you Jewish?

OpenID sigbouncer March 04, 2016 11:17 PM  

"But while Ted Cruz really will screw over the people who deserve it, Trump will screw us"

Like Cruz did to Ben Carson in Iowa?

I'd suggest you read Cruz's 8 page manifesto on the greatness of GW Bush back when Cruz was writing policy for him. Cruz wrote the Bush immigration policy that saw 10.5 million immigrants come into the country. While they could only create 1/3 of that amount of jobs during Bush tenure.

Blogger The Other Robot March 04, 2016 11:44 PM  

145. The Other Robot
If you can cite as infamous an example of "just following orders," I'm all ears.


Would the guys who ordered the deaths of the Six Trillion do?

Anonymous hatetroll March 05, 2016 12:38 AM  

Are you idiots going to kill yourselves if Daddy Trump turns out to be another sleazy used car salesman or what? Gullible morons.

Blogger The Other Robot March 05, 2016 12:44 AM  

Are you idiots going to kill yourselves if Daddy Trump turns out to be another sleazy used car salesman or what? Gullible morons.

Are you going to kill yourself if he doesn't?

Anonymous hatetroll March 05, 2016 12:59 AM  

"Are you going to kill yourself if he doesn't?"

Doesn't turn out to be the equivalent of a sleazy used car salesman? What do you think the odds of that are? The guy is all image. He's the perfect candidate for the alt-right "alpha"-fellating demographic. Watch him turn around and fuck you in the ass.

Anonymous hatetroll March 05, 2016 1:07 AM  

You morons have been promoting this fake it till you make it, artificial "alpha" garbage so long you've brainwashed yourselves, and now Trump, an expert in the field, is here to lead you to the jungle and hand you your last glass of kool-aid. It's going to be a glorious murder-suicide.

Blogger The Other Robot March 05, 2016 1:18 AM  

Hatetroll, have you been sucking your own cock too much?

Or, has the syphilis gotten to you finally, or is it the HIV?

Blogger Were-Puppy March 05, 2016 2:10 AM  

@136 protestmanager
@131 Were-Puppy

(1 Cuban male + 1 american female) + American soil = ???

I'm curious as to your answer here.

Cruz spent < 4 years in Canada, with an American mother, spent > 40 in America. Just how powerful is that Canadian dirt? Why are a bunch of supposed American nationalists all so convinced that Canada is > 10x as strong as the US?
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I believe he is a Canadian Anchor Baby and Canada should have deported the lot of them back to Cuba.

Blogger Were-Puppy March 05, 2016 2:18 AM  

@143 Matt Edwards

109. Were-Puppy March 04, 2016 1:04 PM
So you prefer an insubordinate military that disobeys the commander in chief?

We've already seen that before. It was called the "Nuremberg Trials."
It's why there's such a thing as an unlawful order.
---

Who, or what, determines where the line is between a lawful, and unlawful order? I admit to being ignorant of this.

Blogger Were-Puppy March 05, 2016 2:19 AM  

@153 hatetroll
Are you idiots going to kill yourselves if Daddy Trump turns out to be another sleazy used car salesman or what? Gullible morons.
---

No, silly, whatever gave you that idea? I thought we were going to storm the bastille next, or something.

Blogger Were-Puppy March 05, 2016 2:23 AM  

@156 hatetroll

You morons have been promoting this fake it till you make it, artificial "alpha" garbage so long you've brainwashed yourselves, and now Trump, an expert in the field, is here to lead you to the jungle and hand you your last glass of kool-aid. It's going to be a glorious murder-suicide.
---

You're projecting. Blubberin' Beck is probably at this very moment stirring up a large pot of delicious kool aid for you followers of snot gobbling senator from Canada. Cults are your thing, not ours.

OpenID protestmanager March 05, 2016 4:54 AM  

151: sigbouncer
"But while Ted Cruz really will screw over the people who deserve it, Trump will screw us"

Like Cruz did to Ben Carson in Iowa?

Oh, please! The only person who screwed ben Carson over in Iowa was Ben Carson. He is the complete idiot who announced that, after Iowa, he was heading home, then to a prayer breakfast a couple of days later, NOT to NH.

Only a total incompetent, a total idiot, or someone dropping out of the race would announce that. I heard the same news reports, and jumped to the same conclusions, because I assumed Ben Carson wasn't an idiot. Clearly I was wrong about that.

But bagging on Cruz for that only shows your total cluelessness.

OpenID protestmanager March 05, 2016 4:56 AM  

158: Were-Puppy
@136 protestmanager
@131 Were-Puppy

(1 Cuban male + 1 american female) + American soil = ???

I'm curious as to your answer here.

Cruz spent < 4 years in Canada, with an American mother, spent > 40 in America. Just how powerful is that Canadian dirt? Why are a bunch of supposed American nationalists all so convinced that Canada is > 10x as strong as the US?
---

I believe he is a Canadian Anchor Baby and Canada should have deported the lot of them back to Cuba.


Your ignorance is showing. They went to Canada from America, so they'd get deported back to America.

IOW, you think they're really Americans. Good we can agree on that.

OpenID protestmanager March 05, 2016 5:07 AM  

149: sigbouncer
"No one has any data to counter this claim.
-> Cruz is a truth teller, Stone is a liar, and Trump supported Carter over Reagan."

Wrong. See @146

http://www.poletical.com/trump-is-not-a-democrat.php

http://www.poletical.com/resources/TRUMP_Reagan.jpg?timestamp=1451627978510

I saw 146. It's a nice claim, not backed up by a single documented fact. Got a press release from the Reagan Campaign talking about its Finance Committee? Trump gave $1,000 to Reagan in 1984, so the existence of a picture of them together proves nothing. I see nothing about that picture that establishes a time line.

Are the FEC records wrong? Or did Trump and 4 family members max out to Cater in 1979?

"Donald Trump, being a resident of deep blue New York, donated to local Democrats just as most corporations and businesses do."

Neither Carter (GA) nor Mondale (MN) was a "local New York Democrat", so that sentence, while true, is not relevant.


I expect a member of Reagan's Finance Committee would have maxed out to Reagan. Since the claim is 1979 - 1980, I expect him to max out twice, once for the primary, once for the GE. The WSJ claims no such records exist. Do you have proof they are wrong?

You appear to be conceding that Trump did indeed max out to Carter in 1979. That, alone, makes Cruz's statement "Trump supported Cater" an entirely truthful statement. The best you can hope for is that "Trump supported Carter and supported Reagan".

But even if you could prove that (which you haven't), that would not make Cruz a liar.

Blogger BunE22 March 05, 2016 9:59 AM  

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Blogger BunE22 March 05, 2016 10:05 AM  

@146

The WSJ article is paywalled.

OpenID sigbouncer March 05, 2016 11:12 AM  

"I saw 146. It's a nice claim, not backed up by a single documented fact."

You're a fucking idiot who obviously didn't bother to read the link. Along with taking the WSJ as gospel over Stone and the people who worked for Reagan that now support Trump. And in completely ignoring the exploratory committe picture provided of Trump-Reagan as further proof.


http://www.poletical.com/resources/TRUMP_Reagan.jpg?timestamp=1451627978510

"When candidates plan to run for office or a party's nomination, they set up exploratory committees and finance committees. Donald Trump was on Ronald Reagan's finance committee from 1979 to 1980. Both Donald and his father were at Ronald Reagan's public announcement for his candidacy."

"Trump and Stone first met in 1979, when Stone was working for Ronald Reagan’s presidential campaign in New York state. “I was introduced to Trump by Roy Cohn, the legendary attorney,” he says. Cohn had represented both Donald Trump and Trump’s father, Fred Trump, also a successful developer.

“Fred Trump was one of the greatest men I ever met — and they were both strong Reagan supporters,” Stone says. “Fred Trump had been a major Goldwater backer and financier. [Donald Trump] was very helpful to Reagan, in terms of helping us secure office space, telephones, logistics. He allowed us to use his airplane to fly our petitions to Albany in order to file on time to get [Reagan’s name] on the ballot.”

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/422353/donald-trump-roger-stone-interview

OpenID sigbouncer March 05, 2016 11:15 AM  

"Oh, please! The only person who screwed ben Carson over in Iowa was Ben Carson."

Look dick wart. Cruz campaign phoned in the phony Carson is quitting to CNN. Then they immediately started calling Carson supporters from a list that they had acquired.

Cruz is a Yuge liar and his claim to fame before getting into politics was in being an ambulance chaser. Which is one step up from a used car salesman.

OpenID sigbouncer March 05, 2016 11:20 AM  

Noticed you didn't have a response to this.

"I'd suggest you read Cruz's 8 page manifesto on the greatness of GW Bush back when Cruz was writing policy for him. Cruz wrote the Bush immigration policy that saw 10.5 million immigrants come into the country. While they could only create 1/3 of that amount of jobs during Bush tenure."

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/cover_story/2016/01/ted_cruz_may_be_the_most_gifted_liar_ever_to_run_for_president.html

http://dailycaller.com/2016/01/26/who-is-the-real-ted-cruz/

Blogger Were-Puppy March 05, 2016 12:21 PM  

@163 protestmanager

Your ignorance is showing. They went to Canada from America, so they'd get deported back to America.

IOW, you think they're really Americans. Good we can agree on that.
---

The way i've heard it is:

After helping Fidel conquer Cuba, Rafael went to Canada to foment communism there, boned Cruz mom. Then they went to America to anoint Teddy King of End Time America to transfer as much wealth as possible from the government into a dominionist cult church.

Blogger Scott6584 March 05, 2016 2:14 PM  

ROTFLMAO

Blogger Scott6584 March 05, 2016 2:14 PM  

ROTFLMAO

OpenID protestmanager March 05, 2016 4:52 PM  

167: sigbouncer March 05, 2016 11:12 AM
"I saw 146. It's a nice claim, not backed up by a single documented fact."

You're a fucking idiot who obviously didn't bother to read the link. Along with taking the WSJ as gospel over Stone and the people who worked for Reagan that now support Trump. And in completely ignoring the exploratory committe picture provided of Trump-Reagan as further proof.

1: I will always take documented proof over someone's unsupported word, esp. when that someone has a reason to lie
A: Yes I read the link. And responded to it "Got a press release from the Reagan Campaign talking about its Finance Committee? Trump gave $1,000 to Reagan in 1984, so the existence of a picture of them together proves nothing. I see nothing about that picture that establishes a time line."

That picture merely shows Reagan and Trump shaking hands. There is nothing to indicate when it happened or why. There's not even a caption.

B: "Both Donald and his father were at Ronald Reagan's public announcement for his candidacy." Proof? None provided. There should be photos from that, where are they?

C: "Trump and Stone first met in 1979, when Stone was working for Ronald Reagan’s presidential campaign in New York state." Which would be about the time the WSJ says FEC records show that Trump, his father, his mother, his brother, and his sister ALL Maxed out supporting the Carter campaign.

Can you provide proof that the WSJ is wrong in its reports?
Can you provide proof that the Trumps provided money to Reagan? The WSJ says there are no FEC records, can you provide them?

I'm willing to believe the WSJ is full of sh!t. But I need actual proof, not someone's unsupported word.

You have still provided nothing that would lead me to believe the WSJ report was false. Thousands of people got pictures with Reagan like the one you seem to think is so special. It's not.

OpenID protestmanager March 05, 2016 4:53 PM  

166: BunE22
@146

The WSJ article is paywalled.

Yes, it is. Which is why I included the relevant text.

OpenID protestmanager March 05, 2016 4:58 PM  

169: sigbouncer
Noticed you didn't have a response to this.

1: I don't give a shit what he did while working for President Bush. When you care about all the times that Trump registered as a Democrat, all the money he gave to Democrats, and all the times he's flip-flopped on Immigration, let me know.

Given that Cruz has been good for the last year plus, and Trump was bad as recently as the last debate, you're going to lose that argument.

2: I don't believe anything written in Slate.

OpenID protestmanager March 05, 2016 5:06 PM  

168: sigbouncer
"Oh, please! The only person who screwed ben Carson over in Iowa was Ben Carson."

Look dick wart. Cruz campaign phoned in the phony Carson is quitting to CNN. Then they immediately started calling Carson supporters from a list that they had acquired.

The Cruz campaign did not give CNN the entirely true report that Carson was going home after the IA Caucuses, and then going to a non-NH Prayer Breakfast several days later, and didn't know what he was doing after that.

THAT was all Carson.

And the Cruz campaign, the Rubio campaign, and every other intelligent person in the world who heard that news from Carson immediately jumped to the belief that Carson was dropping out of the race, because only a complete f'ing idiot would say those things when he wasn't dropping out.


Cruz is a Yuge liar and his claim to fame before getting into politics was in being an ambulance chaser. Which is one step up from a used car salesman.

No, Trump is the "Yuge" liar, see his complete flip-flops on H1B visas in the last three weeks.

Cruz's claim to fame was being an appellate lawyer, and running the TX Solicitor General's office in an honest and upstanding manner.

Calling that "ambulance chaser" shows nothing but your own Yuge ignorance. "Ambulance chasers" are in private practice, and make their living suing people. Not something Cruz has ever done.

OpenID protestmanager March 05, 2016 5:09 PM  

170: Were-Puppy

Have you thought of going into comedy writing? You appear to have a natural touch for this.

OpenID protestmanager March 05, 2016 5:12 PM  

166: BunE22
@146

The WSJ article is paywalled.

Yes, it is. Which is why I included the relevant text, you can find it here @127

OpenID sigbouncer March 05, 2016 5:39 PM  

"1: I will always take documented proof over someone's unsupported word, esp. when that someone has a reason to lie"

You're such an ignorant cuss. There are multiple confirmations of this out there by many different individuals, including Reagan aides (see below). And Trump's problems with the WSJ bias are well documented. Which is no surprise since Rupert Murdock's (WSJ owner) Fox station's hit job on Trump at the last debate. And Murdock's well documented past criticism of Trump.

Rupert Murdoch

‎@rupertmurdoch

When is Donald Trump going to stop embarrassing his friends, let
alone the whole country?
5:06 PM - 18 Jul 2015

'Trump himself copied 'Make America Great Again' too – from Ronald Reagan.

The 40th U.S. president first popularized the line in 1979, plastering 'Let's Make America Great Again' on posters and buttons. A recent Rolling Stone article suggested Trump was 'America's stupidest person' for believing he dreamed it up.

But Trump is well aware of where the line came from: In South Carolina on Saturday, volunteers with his presidential exploratory committee handed out photo cards showing a young Donald shaking hands with the Gipper.

Printed at the bottom was a line from a 1975 Reagan speech – 'Americans are hungry to feel once again a sense of mission and greatness' – and the Trump slogan.

The connection is a conscious one – an homage, not a stealthy attempt to rip off a right-wing icon's legacy – according to a veteran of the Reagan campaign staff who said Monday that as one of the late president's earliest sources of support, Trump has a fair claim to the slogan's use.

'Donald Trump was on the Reagan Finance Committee in 1979-80 when most of the New York financial elite were for George Bush or John Connally,' the former campaign aide told Daily Mail Online, on condition of anonymity.

Trump and his father Fred were in the room when Reagan announced his candidacy in New York City in 1980, he explained, adding that without Trump the 40th president might have been dead in the water.

'When the phone company said it would be 30 to 60 days before they could install our phones at the Reagan for President headquarters on 52nd street,' he recalled, 'I called Donald Trump. They installed the phones the next day.'

'Donald also let us use his helicopter to fly our delegate petitions to Albany, where we filed 15 minutes before closing at the board of elections.'

And Fred Trump 'loaned the campaign some space in a building he owned in Queens,' the Reagan veteran said. 'Donald got us space on 52nd street. They were among a handful of Reagan's earliest New York Supporters.'


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3077773/Trump-trademarked-slogan-Make-America-Great-just-DAYS-2012-election-says-Ted-Cruz-agreed-not-use-Scott-Walker-booms-TWICE-speech.html

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-brewing-battle-with-wall-street-journal-owner-rupert-murdoch/

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/270186-fresh-off-sc-win-trump-hits-wall-street-journal

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/269799-trump-i-think-somebody-at-the-wall-street-journal-doesnt

Donald J. Trump Verified account
‏@realDonaldTrump

The failing @WSJ Wall Street Journal should fire both its pollster and its Editorial Board. Seldom has a paper been so wrong.Totally biased!

OpenID protestmanager March 05, 2016 5:41 PM  

@168: sigbouncer:

This is what a real candidate, not a stupid dilettante, does when trying to win:

Teddy Schleifer @teddyschleifer
Ted Cruz adds another event tonight in Boise, Idaho, instead of going straight to Houston, per @SunlenSerfaty: https://t.co/fsWgMgYJx6

Always on the go, never letting up, it's not about relaxing with your family, it's about putting your heart and soul into winning.

When Carson announced he was going home after NH, and had no announced plans to continue on to NH, and no announcement "I'm skipping NH because they're a bunch of heathen trolls, and continuing on to campaign in SC instead", he terminated his campaign.

The fact that he was too ignorant and / or stupid to realize that is not Cruz's fault.

The fact that the Cruz campaign had a list of Carson supporters to work the second Carson dropped out (and had similar lists for multiple other candidates and their supporters) is a plus mark for Cruz. Rubio's losing FL to Trump because his campaign isn't that competent.

OpenID sigbouncer March 05, 2016 5:58 PM  

"This is what a real candidate, not a stupid dilettante, does when trying to win:"

So real candidates make up false stories about another (Carson) dropping out of the race. Then take these false stories about said candidate dropping out and get them to CNN. Then claim they heard the story about the candidate dropping out from CNN. Before getting busted in a live debate for doing so.

Cruz is a proven liar and you're an idiot.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/cover_story/2016/01/ted_cruz_may_be_the_most_gifted_liar_ever_to_run_for_president.html

http://dailycaller.com/2016/01/26/who-is-the-real-ted-cruz/

OpenID sigbouncer March 05, 2016 6:37 PM  

"1: I don't give a shit what he did while working for President Bush.

2: I don't believe anything written in Slate."

Ones record when in politics is extremely relevant. Whether you care about it or not.

Plenty of documentation and relevant quotes in the Slate article linked. Ignoring it is a cop out. Frankly it makes Cruz look like a complete ass and a total liar based on documented proof and timelines.

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