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Thursday, March 10, 2016

Deport the neocons

Seriously, what American gives a damn what these morally bankrupt morons think?
The neocons who led the George W. Bush administration into Iraq are now touting a fresh crusade to save American democracy — and the Republican Party — from an authoritarian foe: Donald J. Trump.

Their campaign began with an impassioned essay in The American Interest last month by Eliot A. Cohen, a former Bush State Department official, who depicted Mr. Trump as symptomatic of the broader “moral rot” of America. Then, in an open letter, more than 100 Republican foreign policy mavens, including neocons such as Mr. Cohen and Robert Kagan, as well as more traditional Republican foreign policy figures like the former World Bank president Robert B. Zoellick, announced they were “united in our opposition to a Donald Trump presidency.”

Now, in a last-ditch effort, leading neocon thinkers have established what they call the National Security Advisory Council to support Senator Marco Rubio. And many are announcing that if push comes to shove, they will support Hillary Clinton over Mr. Trump. Indeed, in the magazine Commentary, the neoconservative historian Max Boot wrote, somewhat hyperbolically, that Mr. Trump is “the No. 1 threat to American security” — bigger than the Islamic State or China.
They wanted to remake Iraq, so let's hope that God-Emperor Trump sends them there. They are the architects of one of the most pointless, hapless, anti-democratic foreign policies in American history; the fact that they are vociferously opposed to Trump is alone enough reason to support him.

Furthermore, the New York Times is blatantly playing games with economic history here:
So-called mossback Republicans supported the punitive Immigration Act of 1924, which included provisions barring Asians and restricting African immigrants. The party also backed protectionism: In June 1930 Herbert Hoover signed the Smoot-Hawley tariff, which worsened the Great Depression and stoked nationalism around the world.
The Smoot-Hawley tariff is often blamed for the Great Depression. It's a complete load of nonsense, as anyone who has read RGD knows. Heilbrunn is attempting to avoid being caught in a lie, because a generic term like "worsened" is virtually unquantifiable.

An immigration act that barred Asians and restricted Africans would look pretty damned good right now to most Republicans. And more than a few Democrats too. But the end of the article is inadvertently optimistic.

Once George W. Bush and the neocons led us into Iraq, it was probably only a matter of time before the neocons were called to account.

We can certainly hope so, anyhow.

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135 Comments:

OpenID paworldandtimes March 10, 2016 5:02 PM  

to save American democracy

Truly it seems at times that "democracy" means "rule by banks and media."

PA

Blogger Aeoli Pera March 10, 2016 5:05 PM  

Respect them alongside the refugees they are so concerned about saving. And their families.

Surely they can do more to help if they're closer to the problem!

Blogger haus frau March 10, 2016 5:08 PM  

Their united opposition truly makes me wonder if they understand the term "reverse psychology". Is their bubble so glossy and and impervious that they truly do not understand what is going on with the general public on the other side of it?
Statists to the core, all of them. They think it's 2003 still and that the public perception of neoconservatism hasn't changed with new information and economic misfortune.

OpenID kbswift March 10, 2016 5:08 PM  

Strange times we live in when the GOPe are threatening to vote Dem, while the socialists are going to vote Rep if Hillary is their nominee.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash March 10, 2016 5:08 PM  

A surprisingly large number are either Canadians or (((dual citizens))).
Just revoking dual citizenship and academic/journalist visas would get a fair number to leave.

Anonymous Til March 10, 2016 5:10 PM  

Roger Stone reveals the Cruz-Bush connection:

http://dailycaller.com/2016/03/10/ted-cruz-a-bush-by-another-name/

Absolutely devastating.

Blogger Aeoli Pera March 10, 2016 5:12 PM  

Sheesh, they are working overtime to push me into supporting Trump. The World Bank even.

Anonymous First Order March 10, 2016 5:13 PM  

Please start with the littlest chickenhawk.

Anonymous Broken Arrow March 10, 2016 5:13 PM  

Their opposition makes me wonder what is behind they scenes they fear? I know they don't want to lose power, but my gut tells me there's more to it than simple power.

Blogger Skylark Thibedeau March 10, 2016 5:14 PM  

When they say "save American Democracy" they mean 'save my access to the American Treasury".

Blogger jay c March 10, 2016 5:14 PM  

I'm still not won over to Trump, but anyone who would pick Rubio or Clinton over Trump is clearly not on the right side.

Blogger Doseux March 10, 2016 5:16 PM  

Their campaign began with an impassioned essay in The American Interest last month by Eliot A. Cohen
The last charge of the Neo-Cohens has begun.

You couldn't make this stuff up.

Anonymous Cyclone Bob March 10, 2016 5:27 PM  

"They wanted to remake Iraq, so let's hope that God-Emperor Trump sends them there."


They already have a different homeland, about 320 clicks from iraq. A homeland, btw, they've had for 70 yrs now, but they can't be bothered to move back to.

Blogger SciVo March 10, 2016 5:27 PM  

Neo-cons are the biggest authoritarian corporatists out there. Setting aside whether it's true that he's authoritarian, it doesn't even make sense for them to use it as derogative -- unless it's a dogwhistle for German or anti-globalist or something.

Anonymous DissidentRight March 10, 2016 5:27 PM  

So...these people voluntarily agreed to put their names on a list? They still don't get it.

Blogger Sean March 10, 2016 5:32 PM  

@6 That article was garbage. Neil Bush endorsing Cruz no more makes him a Bushy than David Duke's endorsement makes Trump a member of the KKK.

Besides W doesn't like Cruz because of some of the actions Cruz took against the Bush White House as Solicitor General. The article doesn't mention that.

Blogger haus frau March 10, 2016 5:33 PM  

Cyclone Bob wrote:"They wanted to remake Iraq, so let's hope that God-Emperor Trump sends them there."

They already have a different homeland, about 320 clicks from iraq. A homeland, btw, they've had for 70 yrs now, but they can't be bothered to move back to.


Not on their own dime anyway. What would happen to all that American treasure streaming into Israel if they weren't here to insure it's flow?

Anonymous a_peraspera March 10, 2016 5:34 PM  

The whole Washington establishment has snoozed through seven years of Obama using drones to terminate people at will, racking up $18 trillion in debt, using the IRS to go after his political opponents, and unilaterally opening our borders to all brown people everywhere.

The only thing that strikes horror into their hearts and gets them fired up is...that we have a presidential candidate who's threatening to put Americans' interests first? Really?

Blogger Sean March 10, 2016 5:35 PM  

I think the real interesting battle at this point will be once Trump gets the nomination, how viscous the MSM will be against him. It will be the McCain election all over again. The media loved him until he was the lone Republican and then they did everything they could to take him down. The fact that Trump is not surrounded by sycophantic consultants is awesome and should lead to some great fireworks.

I just hope the skeletons in his closet are smaller than The Lizard Queen's because the media will magnify them 100x.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash March 10, 2016 5:38 PM  

That other stuff only hurts other people. They and their (((friends))) are genuinely threatened by a US that stops promoting globalism.

Blogger Derrick Bonsell March 10, 2016 5:38 PM  

If Trump is a threat to American democracy he'll lose without their hamfisted attempts to do so. In fact, if they really want Trump to win, they should step it up a notch.

Blogger Derrick Bonsell March 10, 2016 5:41 PM  

If Trump is a threat to American democracy he'll lose without their hamfisted attempts to do so. In fact, if they really want Trump to win, they should step it up a notch.

Anonymous redsash March 10, 2016 5:41 PM  

Actions of men whose treason is about to be exposed.

Executive Order 1: Immediate revocation of all VISAs.
Executive Order 2: Immediate draft of all high school graduates (18-19 year olds) for a two year period. (This crushes the leftist universities and reduces college costs at same time.)
Executive Order 3: Twenty nuclear tipped cruise missiles for S. Korea, Japan, Taiwan, Philippines, Vietnam with a range of any Chinese city. (Time to make China sweat.)
Executive Order 4: Immediate withdrawal of all forces from NATO and reassignment to U.S. southern border.
WHITE HOUSE STATE DINNER FOR PUTIN!

Blogger S1AL March 10, 2016 5:46 PM  

"Now, in a last-ditch effort, leading neocon thinkers have established what they call the National Security Advisory Council to support Senator Marco Rubio."

Huh. Maybe Nate was right about Cruz.

Either way, this had to be the worst group of strategic thinkers in government. Even people like me, who think the Iraq war was justifiable, don't want any more of it, and I'm far more agnostic on the issue than almost anyone I know - liberal or conservative, libertarian or authoritarian. People want to be done.

Anonymous BGKB March 10, 2016 5:47 PM  

Please start with the littlest chickenhawk. To think I defended him in the Zoe Tur debacle

behind they scenes they fear? I know they don't want to lose power, but my gut tells me there's more to it than simple power.

Both TRUMP and Cruz have made noises about auditing the FED, most recently Trump calling out CRUZ for failing to follow thru.

ted-cruz-a-bush-by-another-name/ Someone tell Bush about the free 1/2 hour at Hookers for HilLIARy
"Neil Bush ,the son of President George H. W. Bush, who defrauded U.S. taxpayers out of $1.5 billion dollars in the savings and loan scam, and later peddled influence for the Chinese government, (who plied him with Chinese prostitutes) has formally endorsed Senator Ted Cruz"
http://mynewsla.com/hollywood/2016/02/17/hookers-4-hillary-extra-half-hour-if-youre-clinton-backer-in-nevada-democratic-caucus/

So...these people voluntarily agreed to put their names on a list? They still don't get it.

The Nazis found lists of name/address of gays in Germany, freely given.

I just hope the skeletons in his closet are smaller than The Lizard Queen's

Leftists are mad because Bern like hell and Hilldog wouldn't call Trump a racist at the debate, but they know his response would be scathing. http://gawker.com/just-call-trump-a-racist-1763944273
Hilliary's mentor was in the KKK longer than David Duke.

Executive Order 2: Immediate draft of all high school graduates 2/3 of Americans are not healthy enough to serve.

Anonymous Slyce March 10, 2016 5:51 PM  

Wait, if a nation is blood, then can't neocons be "real Americans"? Is it ok to deport "real Americans"?

If not, that sound suspiciously like a propositional nation, you Italian Douche-cake, you...

Blogger Rusty Fife March 10, 2016 5:55 PM  

Slyce wrote:Wait, if a nation is blood, then can't neocons be "real Americans"? Is it ok to deport "real Americans"?

If not, that sound suspiciously like a propositional nation, you Italian Douche-cake, you...


They make the rules; we just follow 'em.

Blogger Krul March 10, 2016 5:56 PM  

Slyce wrote:Wait, if a nation is blood, then can't neocons be "real Americans"? Is it ok to deport "real Americans"?

ZOMG, you're right! They shouldn't be deported.

Traitors should be shot. Or is it hanged?

Anonymous Jerome Horowitz March 10, 2016 5:56 PM  

17. Sean March 10, 2016 5:32 PM
..
Sean, being a member of Cruz's finance team is a bit more than just endorsing...
..
Neil Bush, son of former President George H.W. Bush and brother of former President George W. Bush and former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, is joining Cruz's national finance team, the campaign said Tuesday.
..
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/fundraising/272226-jeb-bushs-brother-joins-cruz-finance-team

Anonymous Watchu talkin bout Willis March 10, 2016 6:00 PM  

Hey Slyce, what finger am I holding up?

Wrong answer. I'm holding up TWO middle fingers.

Blogger SciVo March 10, 2016 6:01 PM  

OT: The U.S. Attorney General has considered making "thought police" literal:

The US Department of Justice has been considering whether people should be prosecuted for the offense of climate change denial.

“This matter has been discussed. We have received information about it and have referred it to the FBI to consider whether or not it meets the criteria for which we could take action on,” said Attorney General Loretta Lynch, responding to a question from green activist Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI) at a Senate Judiciary Hearing.

Anonymous #8601 Jean Valjean March 10, 2016 6:02 PM  

@24

+1

Anonymous BGKB March 10, 2016 6:05 PM  

Traitors should be shot. Or is it hanged?

Given my experience I don't think many ((((traitors)))) are hung.

Blogger Rusty Fife March 10, 2016 6:05 PM  

@28

Of course this does point out what 5th generational warfare is all about; identity.

From the estimable Scott Adams:
- Identity beats feelz
- Feelz beats ideas
- Ideas beat definitions
- Definitions are capitulation

From Maestro Lind:
- 2nd Gen war attacks the body
- 3rd Gen war attacks the mind
- 4th Gen war attacks the moral
- By inference, 5th Gen war attacks the identity.

Genocide, immvasion, identity politics, Hollywood movies, Cultural warfare by the Fabians are all 5th gen war.

Blogger Lazarus March 10, 2016 6:07 PM  

Spengler claims he will vote for Trump if he is running against Clinton.:

The decline of American power under the Bush and Obama administrations is not the result of grand historical forces or sociological trends. It’s the result of ideological silliness on a grand scale.

Spengler on the Neo-Cons

Blogger Chiva March 10, 2016 6:07 PM  

Traitors should be shot. Or is it hanged?

I prefer old school hanged, drawn and quartered.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash March 10, 2016 6:09 PM  

Slyce wrote:Wait, if a nation is blood, then can't neocons be "real Americans"? Is it ok to deport "real Americans"?
You make an yuge assumption there, that Neo-conservatives and Real Americans share any members.
They might just be a small ethnically-related cabal of activists using US military power for the purposes of some small ethnic state. With a few gamma hangers-on, of course. Cucks who are 2nd and third generation ethnics with huge guilt complexes, like Kagan.

Blogger haus frau March 10, 2016 6:22 PM  

Ya know, these people have been so busy securing the world for democracy that we are now $19 trillion in the hole and that's after all the magical accounting tricks they've more than likely used to mask the full extent of the debt. You would think at some point it would occur to them that all this military involvement is unsustainable and they would start planning a controlled down scaling of involvement and building friendlier relations with Russia, the obvious heir in the coming power vaccum. Nope. Not the neo-cons. They're going to play this idiocy out to full collapse after they've done everything short of full on war to antagonize Russia. And then how will it fair for these people and all those dependent on US largess (Israel?)

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian March 10, 2016 6:22 PM  

((((Neo Cons))) ((((Neo Cohens))) (((The Tribe))) (((Eskimos))) (((Not The Jews)))

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian March 10, 2016 6:24 PM  

@39 They're going to play this idiocy out to full collapse after they've done everything short of full on war to antagonize Russia.

Then, it is off to China!

Anonymous Gen. Kong March 10, 2016 6:26 PM  

HausFrau notes:
Their united opposition truly makes me wonder if they understand the term "reverse psychology". Is their bubble so glossy and and impervious that they truly do not understand what is going on with the general public on the other side of it? Statists to the core, all of them. They think it's 2003 still and that the public perception of neoconservatism hasn't changed with new information and economic misfortune.

You're correct, but the chief concern here is how much of the idiocracy really understands the source of their power. All moral-signalling aside (utterly ridiculous as it is, especially coming from armchair generals like Boot and the littlest Chickenhawk), the power of the banking cartel is based upon the idiocracy's willingness to continue borrowing on the basis of the lies spewed forth by the likes of these genocidal criminals. In any sane society these people would have been run out of the country in the wake of the utter folly of Jorge Busheron's misunderestimated Mesopotamian misadventures. They're still in place, cocky as ever. Nothing that couldn't be remedied by a sufficient amounts of rope in the hands of an angry enough mob mind you (and they deserve the worst - the full Vlad Tepes treatment - having earned it with accumulated and compounded interest many times over). They're counting on their cucks who wear the badges and carry the guns to keep the rabble away one more time on one more promise of a golden pension.

Blogger VD March 10, 2016 6:27 PM  

Wait, if a nation is blood, then can't neocons be "real Americans"? Is it ok to deport "real Americans"?

I suggest you do a little research into neoconservatism. Start with the landmark essay by Irving Kristol, Bill's father.

Blogger VD March 10, 2016 6:33 PM  

Insane. Goldberg/Spengler has completely lost it. He's right about the neocons, but this?

"Israel is the cornerstone on which the edifice of the American republic was founded in the first place."

On what planet, Krypton?

Blogger haus frau March 10, 2016 6:34 PM  

@41 What can I say? I read the stuff neocons write and nearly every time I'm just aghast at how thoroughly shortsighted and navel-gazing they are.

Blogger Alexandros March 10, 2016 6:42 PM  

I'm surprised you're not anti-semetic at all given how these people label you; you consistently real-talk about people who have more love for a foreign country than the nation of their birth, yet there is no hatred for the race in your conversation. It's really distressing, however, that calling out the arrogant, blatant parasitism of these guys will inevitably put you under fire for anti-semetism regardless of your commendable restraint.

Blogger Daniel March 10, 2016 6:45 PM  

Neocons are very very longsighted. They just happen to want you dead AND want you to feel okay about that for now.

Anonymous ollie March 10, 2016 6:55 PM  

Justin Raimondo ‏@JustinRaimondo
Prediction: someone who takes seriously media chorus declaring Trump is Hitler will try to assassinate him. Which is what they want.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash March 10, 2016 6:57 PM  

haus frau wrote:I read the stuff neocons write and nearly every time I'm just aghast at how thoroughly shortsighted and navel-gazing they are.

Don't ever assume they are telling you what they think. They tell you what they think will get you on board.
If it served their purposes, they'd be advocating for the ovens.

Anonymous Red Comet March 10, 2016 7:00 PM  

Christ, do the names involved ever NOT echo when one of these kinds of stories pop up?

Blogger Fifty Seven March 10, 2016 7:00 PM  

I did two tours in Iraq. Fuck these people with a railroad spike. They started an unnecessary war and then didn't even have the foresight (or humanity) to let us win. Then they flushed the whole thing, and the end result is worse than Saddam.

Oh, and I guess we'll need an MSDS for Trump exposure, because he's The Most Dangerous Thing In The Universe You Guys. How many parts per million of Trump is safe, during a 40 hour workweek? What are the signs of overexposure? First aid procedures? Protective equipment to be worn?

Blogger VD March 10, 2016 7:02 PM  

I'm surprised you're not anti-semetic at all given how these people label you; you consistently real-talk about people who have more love for a foreign country than the nation of their birth, yet there is no hatred for the race in your conversation.

Jews are people. There are some very good ones who have put themselves on the line for me, and for whom I would not hesitate to do the same. And there are some very bad ones. I am perfectly capable of distinguishing between the micro and the macro.

It's really distressing, however, that calling out the arrogant, blatant parasitism of these guys will inevitably put you under fire for anti-semetism regardless of your commendable restraint.

The fact that I was investigated by the Jewish Defense League and found not to be anti-semitic tends to shut up the critics very fast. Also, as an openly pro-Israeli nationalist, most Israelis rather appreciate me. Unlike many commentators, I understand the fairly substantial difference between Israeli and American Jew. They're no closer than Yankee and Southron.

Blogger Ceasar March 10, 2016 7:04 PM  

"Then, in an open letter, more than 100 Republican foreign policy mavens, including neocons such as Mr. Cohen and Robert Kagan, as well as more traditional Republican foreign policy figures like the former World Bank president Robert B. Zoellick, announced they were “united in our opposition to a Donald Trump presidency."

Gee, kinda surprised that is all they could get from their global circle jerk to come forward. It appears to me that this kind of fear that Trump is creating inside the global enclaves means that they, under no circumstances, want Trump to have access to information that shows what these traitors have done. I have no doubt Trump will let everyone know what these losers have been up to and at what cost to the American people.

Blogger Krul March 10, 2016 7:05 PM  

VD wrote:They're no closer than Yankee and Southron.

THAT different? Damn

Anonymous Christ March 10, 2016 7:06 PM  

"Christ, do the names involved ever NOT echo when one of these kinds of stories pop up?"


Not that I've noticed.

Blogger BunE22 March 10, 2016 7:13 PM  

So this is the result of their meeting on that island in GA? The meeting that was about sustainability? They just mean their sustainability, I get it now.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian March 10, 2016 7:21 PM  

I'm surprised you're not anti-semetic... people who have more love for a foreign country than the nation of their birth, yet there is no hatred for the race in your conversation.

Though not addressed to me. I have gone from someone (evangelic background)that thought that any criticism of The Tribe as "Here goes someone on about the Joos" to someone that every time I see a white person* writing or commenting about the how evil and racist America/whites/Europeans are immediately assuming they are Jewish (and more often that is right rather than wrong) [*non people of colour criticism].

And none of that has anything to do with this blog.

Blogger Dr. Mabuse March 10, 2016 7:27 PM  

#43 - Spengler is good on a lot of issues, but I tend to tune him out when he dons the cape and becomes Super Jew. He has this idee fixe that Judaism is the answer to and explanation for everything. It can get darned annoying, especially when he starts going on about Christianity. To him, Christians want to be Jews, or are trying to be Jews, or ought to be Jews, or really ARE Jews, and just don't know it.

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Anonymous Crude March 10, 2016 7:31 PM  

One of the best things Trump is doing is exposing how full of shit most 'conservative' media is. I doubt that was his intention, but it's a great side effect - I can safely remove Ace of Spades (Space of AIDS, I'll be calling it henceforth) from my list of blogs to check out. His feigning hidden, secret support of Trump (the kind that manifests almost exclusively as concern trolling and nasty criticism) just reached its logical conclusion.

Anonymous Henry F March 10, 2016 7:34 PM  

I am perfectly capable of distinguishing between the micro and the macro.

And as Muslim non-terrorists are doing, the Juden have always called out their usurious and slave trading and porno cultural and vastly overrepresented, Western destroying bretheren...right??

Anonymous BGKB March 10, 2016 7:36 PM  

They're no closer than Yankee and Southron...THAT different? Damn

Many jews I met fear Bibi Netanyahu more than moslem beheaders.

Prediction: someone who takes seriously media chorus declaring Trump is Hitler will try to assassinate him.

We must get the message out that the wise latrina and the 3 jewish supreme court justices all draw pictures of Moo ham mad in their spare time.

"Christ, do the names involved ever NOT echo when one of these kinds of stories pop up?"

Guess who donated $15mill for illegal alien voting? New “super PAC” called Immigrant Voters Win PAC http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/10/us/politics/george-soros-and-other-liberal-donors-to-fund-bid-to-spur-latino-voters.html?_r=2

OT:Another historic first for die verse city,http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2016/03/08/lapds-first-openly-gay-officer-charged-in-domestic-violence-case/

Convicted child sex offender leads a campaign to allow men to be in women’s bathrooms and showers. Probably anti gun. http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/politics-government/article64943682.html

Blogger Lazarus March 10, 2016 7:41 PM  

@ 43 VD

Insane. Goldberg/Spengler has completely lost it.

This may be true, but I think what he did was reference another article of his without attributing, like it should be understood.

See: Will Israel save america

Which may or may not sound more insane, but it starts with the phrase : "Biblical Israel was America’s inspiration."

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd March 10, 2016 7:43 PM  

"Israel is the cornerstone on which the edifice of the American republic was founded in the first place."

I always thought that something had to exist before you could use it as a cornerstone for another thing. Let's see: USA established in 1776-1790, re-established 1860-1864; Israel established 1947.

Obviously the Israelis have invented time travel! Or Spengler has a completely different meaning for cornerstone. Maybe Spengler's definition of cornerstone of is ``Obligate parasite upon?''

I have always wished Israel well, and wished confusion on their enemies, but I'm not interested in paying for either.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan March 10, 2016 7:48 PM  

They get nothing right, they ought to be deported just for stupidity. Of course I ain't got nothing to brag about I'm damn near 100% WASP and WASP seems to nearly means gimp.

Anonymous civilServant March 10, 2016 7:49 PM  

[b]"Israel is the cornerstone on which the edifice of the American republic was founded in the first place."

On what planet, Krypton?[/b]

Shall I explain?

Anonymous fred March 10, 2016 7:55 PM  

In 2003, 98 percent of white male republicans were strongly in favor of the Iraq war.

Those of us who could easily see the future tried to warn them.

Guess how we were treated ?

It's truly amazing to me how many now said they were the only ones who spoke out.

Absolute bullshit.



Anonymous Takin' a Look March 10, 2016 8:02 PM  

I'm not even touching this thread.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash March 10, 2016 8:03 PM  

civilServant wrote:Shall I explain?`

It's easy. They conflate Ancient Israel, which was a different genetic group, of a different religion, worshiping a different God in a different way, with modern Israel.

Easy-peasy.

Blogger praetorian March 10, 2016 8:04 PM  

It can get darned annoying, especially when he starts going on about Christianity.

It *can* get darned annoying! When they are forcing open the immigration floodgates, beating Christianity out of the public square and sending our boys off to die in some desert shitbox on our dime for some other countries interests.

Oooooooooo, I just get *SO* *DARNED* *ANNOYED*.

Anonymous Philalethes March 10, 2016 8:04 PM  

I have always wished Israel well, and wished confusion on their enemies, but I'm not interested in paying for either.

Well, you have been, and are, paying for both big time, thanks to these very people.

http://ifamericansknew.org

"Spengler"s "cornerstone" would not exist without the (involuntary, massive) support of the American taxpayer.

Anonymous Quartermaster March 10, 2016 8:04 PM  

@8
Before I clicked I thought you were talking about Jonah Goldberg.

@9
There is a lot more than just power. There's also a ton of money.

@25
The proportion physically unqualified is higher than that. A former Army recruiter told me it ran more along 75-80%.

@26
Neoconism destroys all American DNA. It's truly corrosive stuff.

@36
Carrera would crucify them.

@38
A sane policy would require the accrual method of accounting, which also includes unfunded liabilities. On that basis the country is in the hole for at least $200 Trillion.

@50
As that great American, Forrest Gump, said, “Stupid is as stupid does.” had it been truly necessary to take out Saddam, they should have done so and handed the keys to the next strong man. Instead they take out the regime, then hand it over to people just like themselves. There was no way it could have ended well.

@53
That different. That's why American Jews are here, rather than in the country God set aside for them.

Blogger Ceasar March 10, 2016 8:05 PM  

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Blogger Ceasar March 10, 2016 8:07 PM  

"In 2003, 98 percent of white male republicans were strongly in favor of the Iraq war. Those of us who could easily see the future tried to warn them."

Thanks Buddy but you were a little too fucking late to the party in 2003. I was in the first Gulf War and none of us wanted it but since we were sent, we wanted it completely finished the right way. Absolute annihilation, not pull out halfway through. Bush Sr was a fucking clueless idiot and set everything up for round number 2 for his son. I don't blame those that trusted Bush Jr, I blame Bush Jr. and his father.

Blogger praetorian March 10, 2016 8:11 PM  

From Spenglers article (it has been a long time since I've read him):

The destiny of Americans–the “almost chosen people” in Lincoln’s words–is bound up with the destiny of Israel.

Ooooooooooooo. Oooooooooooooooooo. So darned annoying!

Anonymous Nassim Taleb March 10, 2016 8:18 PM  

With Jews you lose.

Blogger dc.sunsets March 10, 2016 8:20 PM  

@66 fred, you nailed it.

The herd is gonna herd.

Anonymous sth_txs March 10, 2016 8:22 PM  

We should also deport evangelicals who believe in this Israel first garbage. I told Christians on FB one time that they had blood on their hands for supporting the Iraq war but then whine about the Christians being killed. Man, talk about the hate. :LOL:

Blogger VD March 10, 2016 8:32 PM  

the Juden have always called out their usurious and slave trading and porno cultural and vastly overrepresented, Western destroying bretheren...right??

You'd be surprised at how many Israelis are willing to call out American Jews. Plenty of them believe they should be working in and on their own country, not provoking yet another Gentile explosion.

Anonymous Jay Will March 10, 2016 8:39 PM  

Muslims are people....

We are told from above by our superiors, through the Marxist mouthpiece of our supposed inferiors, that whites are disproportionately represented in matters of privilege, and that this has to change.

That Jew privilege is NEVER an issue tells me all I need to know about "privilege".

Trump is scaring the elite Jews. Not just the elites. Its no coincidence that all nationalism is Nazi is Hitler is anti-Semitism. Right now if you hate islamivasion then you hate the Jews too.

Blogger Frank Brady March 10, 2016 8:46 PM  

Deport them, hell. Try, convict, and execute them for war crimes and crimes against humanity. These putrid slime are directly and criminally responsible for every American death in Iraq and Afghanistan, not to mention hundreds of thousands of men, women and children throughout the Middle East

Blogger tz March 10, 2016 8:49 PM  

Insane. Goldberg/Spengler has completely lost it. He's right about the neocons, but this?

"Israel is the cornerstone on which the edifice of the American republic was founded in the first place."

On what planet, Krypton?


Adds new meaning to George Washington's FreeMasonry - and the compass Beck stuck Cruz with.

And why does Israel have taxpayer funded abortion, practically on demand, a fiat currency (all those verses about fraudulent weights and scales), and a generally secular, socialist society.

I can argue America 1.0 was Biblical and based a lot on the Old Testament, but mostly on the Torah which was before Israel was a nation.

Israel 3.0 seems to take more from Marx than Moses. Socialism than Solomon. They depend in the IDF to bomb their enemies (Torah! Torah! Torah!) rather than God and his angels. Being able to get a sausage and cheese in a drive-thru on Saturday is convenient, but the Gospel of John noted they were far stricter about the Sabbath than Jesus himself.

Blogger tz March 10, 2016 8:50 PM  

Neocons know a Nation is about Blood - but chickenhawks want to spill others'

Blogger SciVo March 10, 2016 8:55 PM  

You'd be surprised at how many Israelis are willing to call out American Jews. Plenty of them believe they should be working in and on their own country, not provoking yet another Gentile explosion.

Now they're trying to get their co-ethnics in black robes to impose open-border labor markets on us. Do they really think we won't notice that they're turning our own government into an anarcho-tyrannical oligarchy that is hostile to us?

It's like they don't honestly believe that 1776 was based in a culture that still exists. They're so smart that they're stupid.

Blogger tz March 10, 2016 8:57 PM  

@77 - we need to return them to over there so we don't have to fight them over here.
But while Israeli Jewery might criticize their USA brethren, would they want them to all move to Israel?

(and the ashkenazi v.s the safartic have a divide, talk about invaders changing the culture)

There was also an influx of Ethopians and Russian Jews; some had problems assimilating too. Is the Torah a mere proposition?

Anonymous A Visitor March 10, 2016 9:05 PM  

Ok kids, given this is the first debate I've been able to watch in a while...here. are. ze. rules.
Any time Kasich mentions how he has a higher level of decorum, take a shot of hard licker.

If "finger" jokes are made, drink once. If Trump is asked to denounce the violence from his rally today, drink twice. If he talks condescendingly to the moderators while doing so, drink three times.

If Jorge Ramos' question to Hillary about the server is brought up, slam whatever you got. If Rubio talks about Al-Qaeda, the Islamic State, drink one. If he mentions his dad's backstory drink twice.

If Cruz mentions his Senate record drink four times. If he and Trump announce a pact, break open champagne, toast to Hillary's incarceration, and call in sick tomorrow for work.

If Trump says YUGE, wonderful, great drink three times since it's all he's capable of saying. If he gives specifics on his policies, finish whatever you're drinking.

If Rubio mentions foreign policy drink twice, economic drink five. If Kasich mentions how he's the only one with experience, and/or how great Ohio is, finish whatever you're drinking, open a new can or bottle of whatever you were drinking and finish that, then make sure you're watching the debate at a house or location other than your own, get a brick, through through the TV and scream explicatives at Kasich.

Have fun and see you at 8 on CNN

Blogger tz March 10, 2016 9:20 PM  

Blue Jenetics

Blogger Snidely Whiplash March 10, 2016 9:30 PM  

A Visitor wrote:Ok kids, given this is the first debate I've been able to watch in a while...here. are. ze. rules.

Dear God man! I only have 3 bottles of liquor on hand!

Anonymous The other robot March 10, 2016 9:37 PM  

It was bound to happen:

Grassroots effort underway to withhold sex from Trump supporters

Blogger The Observer March 10, 2016 9:48 PM  

@87 Reminds of of "lips that touch liquor shall not touch ours" thing back in the days leading up to Prohibition.

To a tee, all the women pictured in those photos were harridans and hags.

Anonymous private joker March 10, 2016 9:49 PM  

Cruz and Rubio are carrying water for the Saudis.

Blogger tz March 10, 2016 9:50 PM  

@86 - Obviously not a prepper.

@87 - The Greek reference is to Aristophanes' play Lysistrata, where the women go on a "sex strike" to convince men to make peace during the Peloponnesian War between Athens and Sparta. There was a brief period of peace during the war, but it came before this fictional portrayal. In the 1840s, women in the United States pledged not to marry or have sex with men who drank. This movement failed, but a similar one succeeded in the passage of the Eighteenth Amendment to the Constitution, which outlawed alcohol across the nation in 1920. It was repealed in 1933.

Prohibition worked out so well. Sex strike? Provide strike. Starvation tends to make rationality better. Then there's the "The Rape of Lucrece".

It was either originated or amplified at
Cuck Central

WGTWW (Women Wrong Way) causes MGTOW.

Even better, where are Cruz' temple prostitutes. The other side to withholding is to providing as a payoff. Vote for Cruz, get laid!

Anonymous private joker March 10, 2016 9:50 PM  

Rubio is going on and on about Sunnis, people who killed us on 911.

Blogger Aeoli Pera March 10, 2016 10:04 PM  

SciVo wrote:OT: The U.S. Attorney General has considered making "thought police" literal:

The US Department of Justice has been considering whether people should be prosecuted for the offense of climate change denial.

“This matter has been discussed. We have received information about it and have referred it to the FBI to consider whether or not it meets the criteria for which we could take action on,” said Attorney General Loretta Lynch, responding to a question from green activist Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI) at a Senate Judiciary Hearing.


Good, I genuinely hope that's the hill they pick. We might as well draw lines for that fight.

Blogger Aeoli Pera March 10, 2016 10:10 PM  

To head off the obvious rejoinder, college campuses do not count. Remember college is the new high school, and you wouldn't want to try fighting for free speech rights in high schools either.

Blogger Timothy de Montréal March 10, 2016 10:12 PM  

So far Zionists and the Miami Relatives aren't happy with Uncle Donald. We're those boos earlier?

Anonymous Eric the Red March 10, 2016 10:19 PM  

@45...
Vox has more forbearance than someone like myself. Concerning non-Israeli Jews, I used to be kneejerk supportive. Now I'm immediately suspicious... Trust but verify or whatever.

Leftist globalist Jews purport to be secular, all the while pummeling countries into some tikum olum God's-most-favored-people-to-guide-the-world nirvana.

In light of their policies which have caused such death and destruction, neocons should thoughtfully consider whether they deserve anything more than some rope and a lamppost for Hannukah.

Blogger SciVo March 10, 2016 10:21 PM  

Everyone involved in the status quo deserves some credit/blame for inspiring this grassroots bumper sticker: "Bernie: Because fuck this shit."

There is a surprising degree of crossover between Trump and Sanders support, in the same way that neo-cons may cross over to Hillary. I think we're looking at a fundamental realignment around whether or not the American government should put the interests of heirloom Americans ahead of grafts, transplants, parasites and invasive species.

Blogger tz March 10, 2016 10:23 PM  

Hi, I'm Chucky, do you want to play

Anonymous VFM #6306 March 10, 2016 10:36 PM  

Technically, it wouldn't be a "deportation of neocons." It would be an "export of liberty."

Whatever gets those commie bastards gone.

Anonymous BGKB March 10, 2016 10:44 PM  

Dear God man! I only have 3 bottles of liquor on hand! @86 - Obviously not a prepper.

A prepper would have the parts for a still, but I wouldn't want to be known as the guy with lots of cigs/booze when the shtf and lots of people run out. You might get overrun by addicts. It would be as stupid as bartering away ammo. We have less bottles of booze than I do guns.

And why does Israel have taxpayer funded abortion, practically on demand

They gave the supposed black jews long lasting birth control shots without informing them, but there are a bunch of congenital abnormalities specific to jews. Some jews even sued for being allowed to be born. http://www.lifenews.com/2011/11/14/wrongful-life-lawsuits-in-israel-better-dead-than-disabled/

Blogger The Other Robot March 10, 2016 10:54 PM  

Michelle Fields, shut up and make me a sandwich!

Blogger lowercaseb March 10, 2016 10:59 PM  

@43. >On what planet, Krypton?

More like Kolob...

Anonymous ((((yup)))) March 10, 2016 11:05 PM  

Cruz rhymes with _______

Anonymous George of the Jungle March 10, 2016 11:09 PM  

When Trump proposes not getting into Mideast wars, he's being more politically astute than people give credit. Instead he could be brutally honest and say that trying to change any mohammedan country's politics is an exercise in third-world toilet futility, as well as unwisely preventing the fuckers from freely killing each other.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash March 10, 2016 11:13 PM  

VFM #6306 wrote:"deportation of neocons."
It's a good collective noun, but bad referent.
It should be "deportation of illegals".

Anonymous Mr. Rational March 10, 2016 11:22 PM  

If you're proposing to retroactively designate every neocon as an illegal immigrant, count me in.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash March 10, 2016 11:25 PM  

Mr. Rational wrote:If you're proposing to retroactively designate every neocon as an illegal immigrant, count me in.
I'll try to parse that when I am sober.
but I'll respond anyway.
revoke citizenship of anyone with dual passports. BOOM! deport almost all neocons.

Blogger The Other Robot March 10, 2016 11:30 PM  

Old white man at a Trump event sucker punches a black protester.

Media goes ape shit and declares that Trump is Hitler and they are not going to have sex with him no how.

Anonymous Wyrd March 11, 2016 12:08 AM  

Old white man at a Trump event sucker punches a black protester.

http://news.yahoo.com/elderly-us-man-charged-assault-trump-rally-214622210.html;_ylt=AwrC1jHwGuJWGW8AL8bQtDMD;_ylu=X3oDMTBybGY3bmpvBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMyBHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzcg--

It's a reverse knock-out game! I love it!

Blogger The Other Robot March 11, 2016 12:10 AM  

Looks like the Cruz bots are voting in the Drudge Poll.

Blogger Lucas March 11, 2016 12:15 AM  

(((Cohen)))

Blogger Alexander Wehr March 11, 2016 12:37 AM  

" Smoot-Hawley" is the ultimate canned "free trade" straw-man.

When we have a trade deficit it guarantees retaliation can not EVER exceed what we gain through tariffs.

Even if we assume 100% escalation, as in both former trade partners bar ALL imports from the other, the USA is ahead by the amount of our previous trade deficit.

In the case of china we gain, at minimum, 500 billion back to our economy, and that's assuming 100% escalation as detailed above.

Blogger Student in Blue March 11, 2016 12:40 AM  

Old white man at a Trump event sucker punches a black protester.

The black protester said he showed up at the rally as a "social experiment". There's quite a bit of meaning packed in there but I'm too tired to bother unpacking it right now.

Anonymous johnc March 11, 2016 1:03 AM  

Looks like Trump had his best debate and went without any serious gaffes. That should pretty much lock it up.

Blogger Scott6584 March 11, 2016 1:06 AM  

Kasich inadvertantly made the best justification against immigration.

"If not for immigration, I would be running for President of Croatia."

LOL

Anonymous Millenium March 11, 2016 1:09 AM  

Ron Paul says Cruz is Goldman Sachs bitch

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/02/06/ron-paul-cruz-owned-by-goldman-sachs/

Blogger The Other Robot March 11, 2016 1:12 AM  

Trump: Never apologize!

Anonymous IndecisiveEvidence March 11, 2016 1:24 AM  

Agree with Crude earlier. Ace of Spades HQ cucked up far, far harder than I expected. Been following him for ages. That is such a shame.

Anonymous Millenium March 11, 2016 1:44 AM  

Ted Cruz caught on camera saying he will expand immigration significantly:

https://twitter.com/CmnCentsCons/status/707748885599375360

Lying Ted supporters btfo again.

Blogger The Other Robot March 11, 2016 1:55 AM  

Close the door, put out the light.
You know they won't be home tonight.
The snow falls hard and don't you know?
The winds of Thor are blowing cold.
They're wearing steel that's bright and true
They carry news that must get through.

They choose the path where no-one goes.

They hold no quarter.

Blogger Lazarus March 11, 2016 2:18 AM  

@63 AC

Obviously the Israelis have invented time travel! Or Spengler has a completely different meaning for cornerstone. Maybe Spengler's definition of cornerstone of is ``Obligate parasite upon?''

Or, the completely different meaning was "Biblical Israel", which was not made clear in the first article.

Historical tidbit: Haym Salomon (also Solomon; April 7, 1740 – January 6, 1785) was a Polish-born American Jewish businessman and political financial broker who immigrated to New York from Poland during the period of the American Revolution. He helped convert the French loans into ready cash by selling bills of exchange for Robert Morris, the Superintendent of Finance. In this way he aided the Continental Army and was possibly, along with Morris, the prime financier of the American side during the American Revolutionary War against Great Britain.[1]

Anonymous Bobby Farr March 11, 2016 3:12 AM  

OT but Trump has publicly come out in support of a pause in legal immigration of 1-2 years. Obviously, the hope would be that this becomes permanent. In any case, this is an improvement over the usual GOPe position of "maybe we should think about talking about enforcing the much too liberal laws we already have on the books."

Presumably, nationalists are already supporting Trump since he is running against two foreigners, one of whom is militantly left wing, but this should bring over any nationalist fence sitters who can be convinced.

OpenID simplytimothy March 11, 2016 5:30 AM  

Vile Faceless Moderator

"Click to make replies great again"

well played.

Blogger GreenBayMattters March 11, 2016 9:24 AM  

That Cruz tape is from 07/2013. It had to do with high tech worker visas and based on later information (like the tech companies lied to him) reversed that position. Michelle Malkin , one of conservatives most outspoken immigration/amnesty opponents endorsed Cruz 3/10/2015. Stop the lying TED crap. Getting old.

Anonymous jacopo March 11, 2016 9:51 AM  

Trump threatens the neocon gravy train due to his skepticism of ME adventurism and the kind noises he has made about Russia. These tax eaters feed indirectly off defense spending. Defense contractors underwrite their think tanks and propaganda rags. Subscriptions alone can't be paying all those salaries and expensive DC overhead.

Blogger GreenBayMattters March 11, 2016 9:51 AM  

Must be Cruz's day. Article by Roger Stone, a political hack. He sells anti-Cruz stories to whoever will publish, like CRUZ LINKED to CFR and GOLDMAN SACHS. Then uses a quote from Lenin to infer that Cruz is a scoundrel but nothing in story to back it up, Oh yes, connection to CFR and Goldman Sachs----Cruz's wife. This was old news a year ago and Stone publishes it this week. Hits like this expected. Cruz hated by eGOP.

Blogger borderwalker March 11, 2016 10:10 AM  

@50: I've spent more of my life than I like to admit reading MSDSs and evaluating technical data, so your comment made me laugh out loud hard enough that my coworkers are wondering what's gotten into me.

"...How many parts per million of Trump are safe, during a 40-hour work week?"

Blogger Timmy3 March 11, 2016 10:52 AM  

"Looks like Trump had his best debate and went without any serious gaffes"

Unless saying he will defeat ISIS with 20 - 30K troops. This is a gaffe.

Blogger praetorian March 11, 2016 10:55 AM  

Cruz hated by eGOP.

They are going to love it when God Emperor Trump recess appoints him to the Supreme Court, then.

Anonymous The other robot March 11, 2016 10:57 AM  

The Scum: New video emerges that shows the media lies all the time. What's new?

Anonymous The other robot March 11, 2016 10:59 AM  

Stop the lying TED crap. Getting old.

Doesn't matter. Ted is done, irrelevant, a dead parrot.

Blogger Were-Puppy March 11, 2016 11:43 AM  

@124 GreenBayMattters

That Cruz tape is from 07/2013.
---
You guys like to throw up Trump comments from 20 years ago.

It had to do with high tech worker visas and based on later information (like the tech companies lied to him) reversed that position.
---
Pics or it didn't happen

Michelle Malkin , one of conservatives most outspoken immigration/amnesty opponents endorsed Cruz 3/10/2015.
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You really don't want to play the endorsement game. Sessions, Sheriff Joe, Mexican Presidents attacking Trump, Saudi Princes attacking Trump, China Attacking Trump.

Stop the lying TED crap. Getting old.
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Get used to it, because he won't stop Lyin'.

Blogger Were-Puppy March 11, 2016 11:45 AM  

@126 GreenBayMattters

Cruz hated by eGOP.
--

Also by people who don't want another foreign usurper as President

Blogger Snidely Whiplash March 11, 2016 2:45 PM  

Were-Puppy wrote:@126 GreenBayMattters

Cruz hated by eGOP.

--

Also by people who don't want another foreign usurper as President


Also by people who hate being lied to.

Again.

Anonymous meh March 12, 2016 6:01 AM  

That Cruz tape is from 07/2013. It had to do with high tech worker visas and based on later information (like the tech companies lied to him) reversed that position

If you believe that, you're pretty simple and deserve to get GOPed again.

The idea that Cruz was "lied to" by the tech companies is just hilarious. No, what happened is the Trumpening, and thanks to the Trumpening, Cruz had to change his position to keep his phony "true conservative" mask from slipping off.

If Trump wasn't in the race no one would be talking about H1B visas at all. It is an issue that the MSM, the GOPe, and the cuckservatives have been killing with silence for the past several decades.

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