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Tuesday, March 01, 2016

Happy Super Trumpsday

Happy Super Trumpsday, everyone!

Today we bathe in the tears of the GOP establishment. The salt must flow!

#SuperTrumpsday

A good performance today will confirm Donald Trump as the Republican candidate thanks to the GOPe's desire to stack the deck and force "electable" moderates on the party's conservatives.
Memo to Republican leaders: Be careful what you wish for.

Hoping to avoid a repeat of the messy fight for the Republican nomination in 2012, the party drew up a calendar and delegate-selection rules intended to allow a front-runner to wrap things up quickly.

Now, with Republicans voting in 11 states on Tuesday, the worst fears of the party’s establishment are coming true: Donald J. Trump could all but seal his path to the nomination in a case of unintended consequences for the party leadership, which vehemently opposes him.

“Trump has significant advantages, and that’s the way the system is designed,” said Joshua T. Putnam, a political science lecturer at the University of Georgia with an expertise in delegate selection. “It’s right in line with what the folks designing these rules wanted. It’s just not the candidate they preferred.”
No wonder the GOP has been losing the political and cultural wars for 30 years. Their elite leadership is strategically incompetent.

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Blogger Mr.MantraMan March 01, 2016 7:07 AM  

A casual glance at the rhetoric from those losers makes them out to be indistinguishable from the Dem/SJW faction, "sexist, racist and homophobic, we're victims and you better do as we say or else."

Blogger jeffrey takada March 01, 2016 7:08 AM  

Hmm...modifying rules to bar insurgents from spoiling an organization's slow corruption of the original form... I wonder if the Hugo-corrupting Torlings got that from the GOPe or the other way around...or if cuck/SJW brains just think that much alike. Petard, meet own hoist.

Anonymous Millenium March 01, 2016 7:12 AM  

Cruz cucks BTFO. Nate and Josh on suicide watch.

Anonymous #3254 March 01, 2016 7:14 AM  

BREAKING: Republican establishment terrified at prospect of candidate who can win.

Blogger Desiderius March 01, 2016 7:16 AM  

Top.Men.

Blogger Desiderius March 01, 2016 7:19 AM  

"we're victims and you better do as we say or else"

Well, the GoPes are quixotes fighting to defend the victims (sic), but same con.

Blogger Alexander March 01, 2016 7:20 AM  

And done. One vote to make america great again.

Anonymous Bernicula March 01, 2016 7:22 AM  

You guys are going to be really crushed if there's nothing left of Trump but a floating orange toupee at the end of the day. On the flip side, of course, I'm going to be crushed if the only thing left of Bernie is a floating fringe of white hair.

Anonymous Millenium March 01, 2016 7:23 AM  

There are rumors that the GOP is planning to run a third party candidate when Trump gets the nomination.

Blogger VD March 01, 2016 7:24 AM  

You guys are going to be really crushed if there's nothing left of Trump but a floating orange toupee at the end of the day.

You know you're speaking to a place that broadly supported RON PAUL, right? I think we can take it.

But we won't have to. Trump is going to outperform.

Blogger SciVo March 01, 2016 7:36 AM  

Millenium wrote:There are rumors that the GOP is planning to run a third party candidate when Trump gets the nomination.

Not the functionaries, but the donors actually commissioned a study.

And the NY Jew authoritarian capitalist Sodaberg is practically committed to running if the NY Jew authoritarian socialist Bernshevik gets the Dem nom. (The Vermont senator was born in Brooklyn.) Because there's no fiercer fight than one between brothers.

Blogger Rantor March 01, 2016 7:39 AM  

Mission Complete. Only one high-energy candidate had signs at our polling place. None of those low energy guys or girls bothered to motivate the masses.

Anonymous #3254 March 01, 2016 7:47 AM  

Townhall Columnist, Probable Cuck, Says Trump is Lying About Immigration Stance

Anonymous That Would Be Telling March 01, 2016 7:47 AM  

Curiously, a patronizing voice mail does not result in an endorsement; 3rd paragraph and on, Rubio really bungled his attempt to get Christie's endorsement, and for whatever reason failed to close the deal with Romney.

As a side note, I find any mention of today's Texas primary and Cruz pointless, there's no outcome I can see there that would result in a win besides in delegates. If Cruz loses his home state since 5, it's over. If he wins, well, because of the former that was only expected.

Anonymous Steveo March 01, 2016 7:51 AM  

One thing Republicans elite leaders refuse to export is stupid... they keep it all in-house.

There's gonna be a Trumping...

Anonymous Miso Hawny March 01, 2016 7:52 AM  

Gonna be really tough for everyone to spin the results after the Trumpnado hits today.

But really amusing watching them try. The river of sadness gonna overflow tonight.

Blogger intuitivereason March 01, 2016 7:53 AM  

A static system is always at a disadvantage against a adaptive entity.

Anonymous Millenium March 01, 2016 7:53 AM  

@13 I think Trump was caught off guard by the support his wall proposal has. He was prepared to negotiate down but seeing how people love the idea he is now committed. I am not saying that he genuinely does not to remove kebab and taco and build the wall but that he never thought it would be so well received.

Blogger SciVo March 01, 2016 7:57 AM  

That Would Be Telling wrote:As a side note, I find any mention of today's Texas primary and Cruz pointless, there's no outcome I can see there that would result in a win besides in delegates. If Cruz loses his home state since 5, it's over. If he wins, well, because of the former that was only expected.

It won't make any real difference in the end, but I expect him to be able to brag about being the only other candidate with a state delegate majority toward the eight needed. It really just means that he'll stay in longer.

Blogger Gaiseric March 01, 2016 7:57 AM  

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/02/29/sununu-republicans-may-look-another-way-if-disaster-trump-become-nominee/

Sununu says Kasich should run as an independent if Trump is nominated. Seriously; how out of touch can you possibly be?

Anonymous Kansas Wing Man March 01, 2016 7:58 AM  

Pat Buchanan's recent piece says that win or lose, the GOP will never recover but conservatism will. It's worth reading.

Blogger Gaiseric March 01, 2016 7:59 AM  

#3254 wrote:Townhall Columnist, Probable Cuck, Says Trump is Lying About Immigration Stance
Guy Benson is absolutely a cuck. His columns for weeks have been nothing but butthurt about Trump's success.

Blogger Salt March 01, 2016 8:01 AM  

Tuesday night and Trump sweeps it.
Wednesday afternoon, Mitt Romney files as an Independent, while simultaneously declaring Marco Rubio his VP choice. Full GOPe endorsement follows within the hour.

Blogger James Dixon March 01, 2016 8:04 AM  

> Their elite leadership is strategically incompetent.

It never occurred to them that they wouldn't be the ones choosing the front runners. And they'd have gotten away with it too, if wasn't for those meddling voters.

From the article: That inhospitable math has left Mr. Rubio hunting for delegates in select congressional districts that favor his center-right conservatism, such as the affluent suburbs of Nashville, Atlanta and in Northern Virginia, where he campaigned on Sunday.

I.e., traditionally democratic leaning areas which he won't be able to carry in the general election.

> You guys are going to be really crushed if there's nothing left of Trump but a floating orange toupee at the end of the day.

What makes you think that? I'm used to the candidates I support losing. In fact, given the record of the last 28 years of Presidents, I can actually be proud of it.

> There are rumors that the GOP is planning to run a third party candidate when Trump gets the nomination.

You think this is news to anyone here?

Blogger rumpole5 March 01, 2016 8:12 AM  

"You guys are going to be really crushed if there's nothing left of Trump but a floating orange toupee at the end of the day." Unlikely given the Sessions endorsement. At this point I am just hoping that Cruz, my favourite, does well enough to merit a prominent role in the Trump imperium.

Blogger Nate March 01, 2016 8:13 AM  

The primary argument made by those in charge of the GOP is Trump can't win the General Election. The problem with this is...those GOP leaders haven't proven THEY are capable of leading the party to a GOP win.

survival instinct has them between a rock and a hard place. If Trump wins and then gets blown out...they will get sent packing. If Cruz wins (which he can't at this point) they get sent packing.

The only way they keep power is if Trump wins then wins the General but they cannot even fathom that possibility.

Blogger dc.sunsets March 01, 2016 8:13 AM  

No wonder the GOP has been losing the political and cultural wars for 30 years. Their elite leadership is strategically incompetent.

Yet the Left has won every battle for 100 years, if not since 1550. This proves the behavioral evolution either doesn’t exist or (my preference) that natural selection is random in the sense that useless or self-destructive behaviors are on the spectrum of available conditions. Selection is not directed at improvement.

Leftism is proof positive that behaviors that are mutual suicide pacts collectively can succeed at the individual level (in reproductive success) for centuries, if not permanently.

Man is wolf to man.

Blogger Doom March 01, 2016 8:15 AM  

Yeah, incompetent. In this case, as I see things, and to date, it is beautiful watching them trip over their own dicks on this one. They made the rules, against all advice and against grassroot input. Can't say they weren't warned. The thing is, if Trump gets in, even if he ends up being a problem child (for real conservatives), my guess is he will break things open that don't allow for this sort of incompetence going forward. You can't hurt a party that has been falling on it's own sword so long it doesn't know that there are enemies. It's already a dead party. If Trump breaks things up, real conservatives might grab the controls.

I am truly enjoying this. That is a side issue, mind you. It really is about the potential for securing the border and returning illegals. Yeah, I know. He suggests they will be let back in. But not those with disease, criminal records, many just because getting back isn't so easy, and.... we'll see. I think that is a promise to the left more than to the right, one that won't be quite what it seems. Yeah, he needs them for his own empire. And yet I suspect he wants to be as picky with who gets over the border to start with as to whom is hired in his venues.

We'll see. Cheers. The GOP is dead, long live the... GOP? Maybe.

Anonymous dB March 01, 2016 8:19 AM  

It is almost as the gop has had a "code of conduct" for the past 30yrs and now it is being forked. Good riddance gop douchebags.

Blogger Gaiseric March 01, 2016 8:19 AM  

I am truly enjoying this. That is a side issue, mind you. It really is about the potential for securing the border and returning illegals. Yeah, I know. He suggests they will be let back in. But not those with disease, criminal records, many just because getting back isn't so easy, and.... we'll see. I think that is a promise to the left more than to the right, one that won't be quite what it seems. Yeah, he needs them for his own empire. And yet I suspect he wants to be as picky with who gets over the border to start with as to whom is hired in his venues.

Trump's plan really is way too moderate for my tastes with regards to immigration. It's the best plan that I've seen proposed... but if it fails, or never takes off, or is blocked by politics, then the next go-round will be much more aggressive, I'm sure.

Blogger VD March 01, 2016 8:20 AM  

Here is the beauty of Trump winning the election. He doesn't have much in the way of principles beyond his own vanity.

What will better serve his vanity, knuckling under and governing like Obama, Bush, Clinton, and everyone else, or being worshipped as a demigod by the adoring masses because he embraces traditional America and starts deporting Muslims and Mexicans?

That's why the establishment is observably terrified of him. They know it doesn't matter what he says now, and they suspect that he will opt for the approval of the populist masses rather than them.

Blogger rumpole5 March 01, 2016 8:20 AM  

Trump has proven the power of actually listening and responding to what the American people want on immigration. According to Ann Coulter Trump has been anti immigration for a decade, so I have confidence that that is one promise he will carry out.

Blogger tz March 01, 2016 8:20 AM  

Cruz went from broad based to focusing like a laser-beam on Texas. One of two things happened in his internal polling. 1. He's in a dead heat with Trump so needs to be there to shore up his support so to still have a viable campaign Wednesday morning. 2. He is close enough to the 50% take all margin that it is worth trying to get the big prize than a few more delegates in the diaspora.
The rest of the field can't win the nomination. Most can't get the 51% majority in 8 states to even have their names placed in nomination.
Yes, Ron Paul supporters. We tried it the easy way, we played by the rules, we had the perfect honest man with ideas. We saw what happened.
"I see we are going to have to do this the hard way".
If Donald Trump didn't exist or declare last June, we would have invented someone exactly like him.
It was quite helpful with the speaker kerfuffle to get Ryan that immediately gave the Democrats their dream Omnibus.
Cruz could have pulled it out, but he would have to be running against the GOP (establishment) explicitly since he is an insider.
"But Trump will destroy the Republican Party!". Exactly. I see you get it. And you understand why Trump is going to be way over 50% by the time the dust settles. If the RINO herd is a bunch of shredded smoking corpses, I'll say I didn't waste my vote even if the wall isn't built, etc. but I would bet after 4 years of Trump we will have replaced welfare with returned blue collar jobs, have secure borders, be handling the economic and debt crises (Trump is a turn-around expert, and "we can't afford it" might eliminate ten times the number of agencies and bureaucrats the most convincing principled argument will).
Say what you want about Lincoln, but Justice Tawney left town. I will prefer a SCOTUS that fears the Donald than one who thinks it can be a tyrannical oligarchy.

Blogger dc.sunsets March 01, 2016 8:22 AM  

Trump has yielded a vast increase in public interest in politics from the right. HillBilly vs Tales-from-the-Crypt has led to disinterest on the left.

It should be fascinating to see if this trend continues in a H2H Trump vs Crone(y). The Talking Colons of MSM will move mountains to try getting their Parasite Class voters to the polls, but unless they get all the graveyard vote plus the Diebold Fix, I think a Trump Landslide is likely.

Blogger tz March 01, 2016 8:23 AM  

@30 - Trump's plan is "the easy way" and it should work. If it doesn't, there will be a plan B to insure the illegals will no longer be living in the USA.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr March 01, 2016 8:23 AM  

"Strategically incompetent," is putting it mildly, Vox.

The Plutocratic wing of the GOP has always suffered from a belief that certain voting groups could be taken for granted because the Democrats were worse. Which worked until those voting groups got a better offer - Blacks, for example.

The smart thing would have been to listen to the base, understand that immigration was a hot-button issue, and act on it. Not only does this placate the base, it also undermines Democrat support in the lower middle class.

And they are tactically inept as well. A competent Establishment party would have gotten together about a year ago and picked a standard-bearer (probably Walker or Rubio), then pointedly told his other moderate rivals to stay out. The Bush-Rubio war is a mark of incompetence.

And Professor Reynolds is right...take a hefty chunk of that money they squander on advertising and buy up a news outlet. Engage in a preparatory bombardment of the political batlespace.

Blogger Nick S March 01, 2016 8:27 AM  

If only Trump would be the wrecking ball he portrays himself to be, he might be worth supporting. He won't. Trump will be the globalist's wet dream realized. His ascendance is probably inevitable and possibly providential. In any case, his role will be/has been pivotal, interesting and, hopefully, entertaining.

Blogger tz March 01, 2016 8:30 AM  

@31 Vanity is one of the best motivators when you have to please customers who can voluntarily choose you or someone else.
His hotels and golf courses and other projects are temples to his vanity, so are magnificent, 5-star affairs.
He will turn the USA into whatever the equivalent is. No cheap towels because some supplier is his crony friend, no unclean rooms because he won't take on the Maid's union.
Global Warming won't be one of his issues. Nor will globalism or whatever else the crony elites want. Solar and wind will have to pay for themselves.
It was not the Democrats but Nixon that started it with the EPA, OSHA, and the rest. The long national nightmare might not be over, but we are already waking up.

Blogger Nate March 01, 2016 8:31 AM  

"You guys are going to be really crushed if there's nothing left of Trump but a floating orange toupee at the end of the day. On the flip side, of course, I'm going to be crushed if the only thing left of Bernie is a floating fringe of white hair."

Trump is going to well. There are no two ways about it. few of these states are winner-take-all situations. I think the primary was over after Trump showed he could take down Cruz in the South. Today is just the victory lap.

Cruz will get some delegates today. But not enough to matter.

Blogger bob k. mando March 01, 2016 8:32 AM  

join the ReKeklican National Committee.

our platform?
1 - the Constitution
2 - the Law
3 - the Lulz

our motto?
"All the Lulz that the Law will allow"

our mascot?
http://risemiaminews.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Troll_trump.jpg

Blogger Nate March 01, 2016 8:34 AM  

"Yet the Left has won every battle for 100 years, if not since 1550"

oh shut up moron. They have not.

Blogger James Dixon March 01, 2016 8:40 AM  

> At this point I am just hoping that Cruz, my favourite, does well enough to merit a prominent role in the Trump imperium.

We need Cruz in the Senate. We need all the Senators we can get. It will the primary battleground of the next administration.

Blogger bob k. mando March 01, 2016 8:43 AM  

8. Bernicula March 01, 2016 7:22 AM
You guys are going to be really crushed if there's nothing left of Trump but a floating orange toupee at the end of the day.



muwahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Blogger Skylark Thibedeau March 01, 2016 8:44 AM  

Wednesday afternoon, Mitt Romney files as an Independent, while simultaneously declaring Marco Rubio his VP choice. Full GOPe endorsement follows within the hour.
Romney wants to lose again? What is he? The Mormon William Jennings Bryan?

Anonymous Quartermaster March 01, 2016 8:53 AM  

@20
Sununu was out of touch when he was Daddy Bush's Chief of Staff. Nothing has changed, except, perhaps, increasing idiocy with age.

@23
If that were to happen, we may be facing a civil war, or even secession. Secession, I think, is to welcomed.

One commenter over at TOM is complaining that the GOP may lose the Senate if Trump is nominated. If the GOP loses the Senate it will because the Cuckservatives in charge have done nothing except screw the country. We have democrats doing the job of screwing the country and we don't need two parties doing it.

Blogger Scott6584 March 01, 2016 8:58 AM  

There is really no argument that can successfully be made against your position. You openly acknowledge that Trump has no guiding values beyond simple narcissism. So you have accepted that he is utterly unpredictable in the way he will govern.

I don't agree with that. I think he does have a set of values that is revealed by 25-30 years of interviews where he quite openly tells us what his value system us. Furthermore, his values are revealed by the choices he has made, and the way he conducts his life.

Bit you, and more importantly, many others simply want to break up the system, and to deal with the consequences later. I see the attraction, especially in light of the serial betrayals conservatives have experienced at the hands of the "cuckservatives" over the past 30 years. But to me, it appears you have surrendered to fatalism. If we must die, better to get it over with than die slow death, eh?

Anonymous Sick Duck March 01, 2016 8:58 AM  

Trump's natural constituency is this: old white racist blowhard with a tendency to crackpottery. , not the fact that he ended up endorsing Trump at the end.

The Republican party has a choice between 1964 and 1912.

1964 - The Establishment allows Trump as nominee, but sit on their hands or tacitly back Hillary. Trump gets crushed in the general, and normal service resumes in 2020.

1912 - The Establishment steals the nomination from Trump. Trump runs third-party, and complicates matters for the foreseeable future.

Blogger Student in Blue March 01, 2016 9:08 AM  

Scream harder about "RACISS", it's something we've never heard lied about and is surely still very effective if you repeat it over and over ad nauseum.

Blogger Rusty Fife March 01, 2016 9:11 AM  

Sick Duck wrote:1964 - The Establishment allows Trump as nominee, but sit on their hands or tacitly back Hillary. Trump gets crushed in the general, and normal service resumes in 2020.

Ahhh yes, the WFB strategy, that has been serving Conservatives so well the last 50yrs.

Anonymous Bobby Farr March 01, 2016 9:12 AM  

Calling them just incompetent seems overly generous. Their words and actions suggest the GOPe are committed left wing ideologues.

Blogger bob k. mando March 01, 2016 9:13 AM  

the official ReKeklican National Committee Foreign Policy statement:
Nuke the Moon!
http://www.imao.us/docs/NukeTheMoon.htm


on Domestic Policy, once the Donald builds the wall:
“None of you understand. I'm not locked up in here with YOU. You're locked up in here with ME.”



47. Dick Suck March 01, 2016 8:58 AM
1964 - Trump gets crushed in the general,



just asking for clarification, are you claiming that you're going to assassinate Obama?

because the Kennedy assassination is the only reason Goldwater got blown out.

Blogger VD March 01, 2016 9:16 AM  

There is really no argument that can successfully be made against your position. You openly acknowledge that Trump has no guiding values beyond simple narcissism. So you have accepted that he is utterly unpredictable in the way he will govern.

Accepted? That's what I've been saying from the start, as opposed to all the morons screeching that he's a socialist, he's not a conservative, he's a Nazi and so forth.

Bit you, and more importantly, many others simply want to break up the system, and to deal with the consequences later.

No, we just want to break up the system. What part of "Trump, because fuck you" is hard to understand?

But to me, it appears you have surrendered to fatalism. If we must die, better to get it over with than die slow death, eh?

That's remarkably stupid. Fatalism would be simply supporting the GOP, because Republican. We're not fatalists, we're nationalists. Who said anything about dying?

Blogger Gaiseric March 01, 2016 9:18 AM  

Scott6584 wrote:There is really no argument that can successfully be made against your position. You openly acknowledge that Trump has no guiding values beyond simple narcissism. So you have accepted that he is utterly unpredictable in the way he will govern.

I don't agree with that. I think he does have a set of values that is revealed by 25-30 years of interviews where he quite openly tells us what his value system us. Furthermore, his values are revealed by the choices he has made, and the way he conducts his life.


That's silly. Take that straw man somewhere else. Since when is narcissism unpredictable?

Scott6584 wrote:Bit you, and more importantly, many others simply want to break up the system, and to deal with the consequences later. I see the attraction, especially in light of the serial betrayals conservatives have experienced at the hands of the "cuckservatives" over the past 30 years. But to me, it appears you have surrendered to fatalism. If we must die, better to get it over with than die slow death, eh?
No, I don't just want to burn it all down—although many here do, I suppose. I do want to burn down the Establishment wing of the GOP, yes. I do want to burn down the death-grip political correctness has on our society, that prevents us from rather easily addressing the idiotic non-arguments of the Leftists without being betrayed by the crowd-sourced police state in which we live. I'm actually rather optimistic about the prospects of a Trump presidency, although no naively so. Even if it accomplishes nothing else but the profound weakening and eventual dissolution of political correctness, it will have been a Good Thing.

And besides; if you're supporting anyone other than Trump, you're not adopting the "fail faster" model of achieving success. You're tweaking a fundamentally flawed and proven failure of political model, and thinking that this time somehow it's going to be different.

Blogger Scott6584 March 01, 2016 9:18 AM  

Actually, it was Nixon's mentor, Eisenhower, who used national defense to pass large public funding projects, appointed the judges that undermined Christianity, and backed the assault on state's autonomy. The Nixon moves just consolidated those positions.

Reagan was an anomaly, because he represented the Goldwater revolt against the Eisenhower/Nixon/Ford centrists. But the Bushes reasserted that ideology.

The irony is that Cruz supporters agree with the Cuckservative diagnosis, but disagree on the course of action we should take as a nation. Electing someone to the left of cuckservatives seems like insanity.

But with a fee exceptions, the Republican Party has almost always been about expanding Federal power. It was born out of a deaire to impose it's values on a global level, instead of preserving the rights of individuals and states. Teddy Roosevelt was the original Progressive President.

The one good thing that may come from a Trump Presidency is that Christians will see the folly of trying to save the country via political means.

Anonymous Hobart Floyt March 01, 2016 9:21 AM  

@23

Speaking as a Mormon in the heart of Deseret, if Mitt had the fire in the belly for that kind of fight, he'd be running for reelection...

Blogger Student in Blue March 01, 2016 9:22 AM  

@Scott6584
You openly acknowledge that Trump has no guiding values beyond simple narcissism. So you have accepted that he is utterly unpredictable in the way he will govern.
I believe you have only assumed the former, due to the misunderstanding the latter. At no time in my memory has Vox said that Trump has no guiding values beyond narcissism.

I can't speak for Vox, but I know that I've said we can't guarantee what Trump will do due to one reason: No one is an oracle, we can't guarantee what will happen in the future. Even making a very good guess is still that, a guess, as he could indeed be such a masterful liar that he's been lying the entire time.

Blogger bob k. mando March 01, 2016 9:23 AM  

54. Scott6584 March 01, 2016 9:18 AM
It was born out of a deaire to impose it's values on a global level, instead of preserving the rights of individuals and states. Teddy Roosevelt was the original Progressive President.



congratulations on figuring out stuff we've been saying for +2 years.


Trump is Turd Lord 10,000.

why 10,000? it's almost like you don't Internet.

Anonymous #5954 March 01, 2016 9:26 AM  

why 10,000?

Because it's... OVER 9000!!!

Blogger bob k. mando March 01, 2016 9:27 AM  

anybody got the photochop skillz to change the last word on this to Lulz?

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/a2/7d/26/a27d26bcb4ef96e71971f5a9ffd695f2.jpg

Anonymous Millenium March 01, 2016 9:28 AM  

Trump will be the globalist's wet dream realized.

Good. How many times must the obvious be explained to you before it sinks in. There is no losing proposition to a Trump presidency. Either he deports a whole bunch of immigrants and builds a wall that is decades overdue or he stabs everyone who supported him in the back. If the latter happens it will red pill so many outside the alt right as to just how corrupt the system is and how pointless it is even participating. The result will be the majority of those supported Trump either checking out in spirit (going galt etc) or taking more radical approaches to speed along the impending collapse.

If America cannot be saved (And deporting illegals and muslims is the first step toward that) then the quicker the collapse happens the better it is. Every year the collapse is delayed the demographics go further against us.

Anonymous The OASF March 01, 2016 9:30 AM  

"No wonder the GOP has been losing the political and cultural wars for 30 years. Their elite leadership is strategically incompetent."

Not exactly sure what "political wars" means, but the GOPe has been outright losing ELECTIONS as well for nearly 30 years. The GOP hasn't won a presidential election since 1988, as W flat-out lost the election in 2000 and had to steal it in Ohio in 2004.

Congress hasn't been much better. When the election cycle pendulum swings to the GOP they hold on to the House and the Senate by the tips of their fingers, if at all, with faux "conservative" policies. But when it swings to the Dems, they gain insurmountable control. Governor-ships have been a different story, but most of them turn out to be RINOs anyhow.

As prophesied, today is the last gasp of the Bohemian Club you-know-whats. One way or the other, after today, it will NEVER be the same as either a Trump landslide will prolong a political war without end that will shatter the party, or an unexpected (or more likely RIGGED) Trump failure will push the base to dump Da' Club once and for all and leave the GOPe without an electorate to, ya know, actually vote for it.

For the Bohemian Club, the end is nigh. The only question that that matters is this: can whatever that comes out of today's historic elections defeat The Lizard Queen and her posterity? If so, there is a glimmer of hope. If not - all that is left in the USA is an unavoidable social/political/economic collapse and bloody civil war.

Not to be Debby Downer here, but I'd bet on collapse.

Anonymous Rolf March 01, 2016 9:33 AM  

More and more, I'm thinking "incompetent" may just mean "different goals than publicly stated."

Of course, some of them truly ARE walking, talking examples of Dunning-Kruger, but other.... I'm not so sure any more.

Blogger Scott6584 March 01, 2016 9:34 AM  

But your decision will hasten the destruction of the nation, IMO.

And yes, I understand, "Because, Fuck you." I thought it was obvious I understand this impulse. I just don't think it is wise.

Why can't you see my point? "Because, Fuck you" = Raze it to the ground. I have already told you multiple times that I accepted the dissolution of the USA as an inevitably a decade ago. I fail to see how voting for it qualifies as being a nationalist.

I really of the reasons I am not so discouraged by the advent of Trumy is BECAUSE I am already looking toward the breakdown of the nation into regional entities.

I won simply like Trump supporters to realize and acknowledge that is what the are doing. Unlike Republicans is Washington, I am not dismayed. I just think many Trump supporters haven't taken their decision to its logical conclusion.

Yes, the Republican party deserves destruction. But if that leaves only the Democratic Party intact, what have you gained?

Blogger Student in Blue March 01, 2016 9:37 AM  

That's like saying "but if you destroy the Whig party, that will leave the Democrats in control forever!"

Blogger Scott6584 March 01, 2016 9:39 AM  

I agree that voting for Trump is voting for "fail faster." If that is what you want, I can respect that. I just wonder how many Trump voters will acknowledge that as you have.

Anonymous Peter Garstig March 01, 2016 9:40 AM  

Unlike Republicans is Washington, I am not dismayed. I just think many Trump supporters haven't taken their decision to its logical conclusion.

Yes, the Republican party deserves destruction. But if that leaves only the Democratic Party intact, what have you gained?


See, all you care for is politics and political factions.

You don't care about the nation and the people who make up the nation.

Blogger Student in Blue March 01, 2016 9:42 AM  

You're misunderstanding "fail faster".

The point is to not keep doing what doesn't work, and try new things even if you're not 100% positive it'll work.

Blogger VD March 01, 2016 9:43 AM  

But your decision will hasten the destruction of the nation, IMO.

What are you talking about? The nation is already destroyed. I wrote a column to that effect called "You Can't Fix a Corpse" back in 2004.

Yes, the Republican party deserves destruction. But if that leaves only the Democratic Party intact, what have you gained

Tens of millions of right-wing oriented people finally grasping the truth of the current situation.

Blogger Scott6584 March 01, 2016 9:47 AM  

I have been saying it for 25 years. I didn't just figure it out. But your choices are to try to take over an established party, as the left did between 1968 & 1972, or build a whole new party. If someone joins the Republican party in order to convert it, does he still qualify as a cuckservative simply because he's trying to change it from the inside vs the outside?

I think it is an unfair argument to assume every Republican is automatically a cuckservative. On the other hand, if you think that strategy has failed, then I understand why you want the wholesale destruction of the parry. Bit once again, I have to ask, If the Democratic Party is left intact, what have you gained?

Blogger Nate March 01, 2016 9:49 AM  

"' At no time in my memory has Vox said that Trump has no guiding values beyond narcissism." - Student in Blue

"Here is the beauty of Trump winning the election. He doesn't have much in the way of principles beyond his own vanity." - VD

Care to split hairs SiB?




Blogger Student in Blue March 01, 2016 9:51 AM  

Do you honestly think that tens of millions of right-wing oriented people will be magically forced to vote Democrat if there's no Republican party?

Blogger Scott6584 March 01, 2016 9:54 AM  

But the Republicans in 1860 were the liberals, not the Deomcrats. In 1860, the Democrats were the conservative party. And even the Democrats were born in 1836 due the attempt at consolidating federal power by the Elitist Whigs.

Williams Jennings Bryant was a conservative compared to Teddy Roosevelt.

Blogger Nick S March 01, 2016 9:54 AM  

If not - all that is left in the USA is an unavoidable social/political/economic collapse and bloody civil war.

That's unavoidable regardless of which direction the elections go. There's not a good option. I was hoping my progeny could avoid the bloodshed. I'll likely miss the thick of it, but it's not looking good for them.

Blogger VD March 01, 2016 9:56 AM  

I think it is an unfair argument to assume every Republican is automatically a cuckservative.

I don't.

On the other hand, if you think that strategy has failed, then I understand why you want the wholesale destruction of the parry.

I was calling for that while I was still at WND. At WND.

Bit once again, I have to ask, If the Democratic Party is left intact, what have you gained?

What part of "tens of millions of right-wingers being awakened to the reality of the situation" was hard to understand?

Failing faster is good.

Blogger Derek Kite March 01, 2016 9:57 AM  

Scott6546:
Dissolution?
1. A CIA guy said they would obey the law!
2. The left is actually starting to think the 1st Amendment is a good idea.
3. Academics are coming to the realization that the blunt instrument regulatory state in the hands of Trump is not a great idea. Golly gee, who are the uneducated hicks here?
4. McConnell has come out saying that the senate would oppose and impede the President. !! You mean he actually has some?
5. A large number of elite and prominent republicans are saying they will vote for Hillary! Confirming what many suspected all along.
6. This is my thesis. Investors will look at the money losing treasury bonds for what they are, and the US will be forced into fiscal responsability by the inability to borrow money below cost. Every decision made by politicians and bureaucrats will have a direct effect on treasury revenues hence their job.

There is no end to the goodness of a Trump presidency, and he isn't even there yet.

Blogger Student in Blue March 01, 2016 9:58 AM  

@Nate
Care to split hairs SiB?

That'd be me not remembering that quote.

But I enjoy splitting hairs, so, "no guiding values beyond narcissism" != "doesn't have much [...] beyond vanity". None vs not much. Also, values are not the same as principles.

But mostly I just didn't remember him saying that.

Blogger VD March 01, 2016 9:58 AM  

But your choices are to try to take over an established party, as the left did between 1968 & 1972, or build a whole new party.

No, those are not the full range of choices. You know, and I know, that conventional politics is not going to resolve this. They can only delay it, and delaying it will make it that much worse.

Blogger Scott6584 March 01, 2016 9:59 AM  

So what is the end game. I still haven't seen any proposals for what comes next. Other than national dissolution (which I am okay with), what is the strategy to keep the nation intact? Or is there one?

If the strategy is to hasten the destruction of the nation, how can you call yourself a "nationalist?"

Blogger Josh March 01, 2016 10:01 AM  

Nate and Josh on suicide watch.

Rand dropped out a month ago. Every other candidate is horrible.

I fully expect Trump to do well today.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 March 01, 2016 10:01 AM  

Cast my vote for Trump today.

Blogger JWM in SD March 01, 2016 10:03 AM  

"Yes, the Republican party deserves destruction. But if that leaves only the Democratic Party intact, what have you gained?"

That is a false premise and you Fxxxing know it. The Republican Party has NOT BEEN REPUBLICAN in over 20 years. That is the problem...that is what is going on. Scott, I suggest you either come clean about your actual agenda or rethink your comments carefully.

Blogger Nate March 01, 2016 10:03 AM  

"That'd be me not remembering that quote. "

fair nuff

Blogger Student in Blue March 01, 2016 10:03 AM  

@Scott6584

Depends, what's your definition of "the nation"?

Blogger Josh March 01, 2016 10:03 AM  

There is no end to the goodness of a Trump presidency, and he isn't even there yet.

Hope and Change will Make America Great Again

Blogger VD March 01, 2016 10:03 AM  

Care to split hairs SiB?

I will say that I believe that Trump is genuinely a nationalist at heart. I don't think he is a globalist in the mode of Bush, Clinton, and Obama. But that's not a principle, that's an identity.

You cannot understand Trump if you don't understand that he is a master tactician, he's not a strategist. He believes, quite often rightly, that he can walk into a situation, see what it is, and adjust. If his goal is to Make America Great rather than Make America a Province of the One-World Government, his tactical sense will lead him in the right direction much more often than not.

And I really doubt he would be content to play whipping boy for the UN and the IMF.

Blogger Scott6584 March 01, 2016 10:04 AM  

Fair enough. Like I said previously, I understand this. I just highly doubt that the majority of people voting for Trump fully realize the ramifications of what they are voting for. I appreciate you clarifying the argument.

We live in exciting times. The entire world order of the past century is falling apart. Who knows what lies aheas? I would find it interesting to know your hypotheses on how the future unfolds.

Blogger VD March 01, 2016 10:06 AM  

If the strategy is to hasten the destruction of the nation, how can you call yourself a "nationalist?"

Because I believe in nations, not countries or multinational polities. I am all in favor of the American nation. I don't believe the Latter Imperial USA is good for the American nation.

Blogger VD March 01, 2016 10:07 AM  

I just highly doubt that the majority of people voting for Trump fully realize the ramifications of what they are voting for.

I am sure they don't. So what? They KNOW what they will get if they vote for any of the alternatives and they don't want that.

Anonymous Elite Rope March 01, 2016 10:10 AM  

And I really doubt he would be content to play whipping boy for the UN and the IMF.

And with how popular he is and his force of personality, if they try to thumb him under them, he can just issue an executive order proclaiming American militias be armed and trained, and actively recruiting. With the armed populace of the most militarily powerful country (of which the official military is only a small part) at his back, he cannot be bullied.

See, nobody would have backed Obama or Bush like that.

But Trump? Yes. And that is why the establishment is so terrified. You know what oppressive tyrants fear? Armed populations.

Blogger Dexter March 01, 2016 10:11 AM  

"Yes, the Republican party deserves destruction. But if that leaves only the Democratic Party intact, what have you gained?"

The "Republican Party" has been a sham opposition party for decades. The purpose of fake opposition parties is always to control - and make useless and ineffective - anger and opposition to the regime. Eliminate the fake opposition and real opposition can emerge. Or, the Democrats can decide that they don't need fake opposition any more, and rule by naked force.

Blogger Scott6584 March 01, 2016 10:11 AM  

I have already accepted that Trump will be the nominee. I am trying to understand the goal. If the goal is speeding up the destruction, then I understand. But if it is not, then what other reasons do Trump voters have?

Blogger Scott6584 March 01, 2016 10:11 AM  

So define it for me.

Blogger Dexter March 01, 2016 10:12 AM  

I just highly doubt that the majority of people voting for Trump fully realize the ramifications of what they are voting for.

I just voted for Trump.

And as Vox said, I KNOW what I will get if I vote for any of the alternatives and I don't want that.

Anonymous That Would Be Telling March 01, 2016 10:13 AM  

@74 Derek Kite:

6. This is my thesis. Investors will look at the money losing treasury bonds for what they are....

They have to put their money somewhere, and the thesis I like for why "This Time It's Different" (so far) is that post-2008 the US is still overall the "least worst" place to put your money.

Blogger Scott6584 March 01, 2016 10:13 AM  

Lol

Blogger Josh March 01, 2016 10:15 AM  

They have to put their money somewhere, and the thesis I like for why "This Time It's Different" (so far) is that post-2008 the US is still overall the "least worst" place to put your money.

Given your (((ancestry))), you should know.

Blogger Scott6584 March 01, 2016 10:18 AM  

OK then.

By the way, I last voted in 2006. I have already checked out. The next vote I will make is for secession from the USA for my state.

Just so you know where I stand. But I think Texas will fare much better than a bunch of other states. I am curious what the end game is for someone living in a land locked state.

Anonymous That Would Be Telling March 01, 2016 10:22 AM  

@95 Josh:

They have to put their money somewhere, and the thesis I like for why "This Time It's Different" (so far) is that post-2008 the US is still overall the "least worst" place to put your money.

Given your (((ancestry))), you should know.


Nope, there weren't even any members of The Tribe willing to be obviously that where and when I grew up. Right now I'm reading Kevin MacDonald and starting to understand quite a few things from the time I spend with various of them when I lived on a coast of the US.

Anonymous Joe Blowe March 01, 2016 10:23 AM  

No wonder the GOP has been losing the political and cultural wars for 30 years.

No. They've succeeded beyond all expectations. The patriotic, conservative dupes that have supported the GOP have certainly lost, having all their time, money, and political energies diverted, dissipated, and a made completely ineffective. The Globalist Bankster Elite that bank rolls the GOP and gives them their marching orders, however, have certainly got their monies worth. But, as others have stated, that hustle is just about played out.

Anonymous Jack Amok March 01, 2016 10:24 AM  

I am not saying that he genuinely does not to remove kebab and taco and build the wall but that he never thought it would be so well received.

An important quality of leadership is knowing which initiatives to kill and which ones to reinforce.

Blogger Student in Blue March 01, 2016 10:26 AM  

@Scott6584
So define it for me.

I'd define it as: A nation is an extended genetic family with a common culture.

The culture is the most important part.

What this means is that a country can have multiple nascent nations within it that successfully works when times are good, but when times are tough those separate identities will fight each other.

I have already accepted that Trump will be the nominee. I am trying to understand the goal. If the goal is speeding up the destruction, then I understand. But if it is not, then what other reasons do Trump voters have?

That he might be telling the truth about what he'll do, and deport illegal immigrants and halt muslim immigration. Gun issues too.

If he's telling the truth, we win. If he's lying, we win either way.

Anonymous Elite Rope March 01, 2016 10:27 AM  

Whites can make tacos just as well, if not better, than Mexicans.

People, including Nate, your precious Mexican food isn't going away. In fact, it's going to get better and more sanitary.

Blogger Old Racist Bosoms of Crackpottery March 01, 2016 10:29 AM  

Sick Duck wrote:Trump's natural constituency is this: old white racist blowhard with a tendency to crackpottery. , not the fact that he ended up endorsing Trump at the end.

Found my newest username.

Blogger Scott6584 March 01, 2016 10:32 AM  

It is interesting that you say that, because Cruz has been clear that he believes "nation building" is not in America's interest. He, unlike Rubio, Bush, and Christie, has consistently refused to commit to sending troops to the middle east. Frankly, he has repudiated the Wilsonian impulses of the Bush clan. Also, I doubt he is interested in the Hamiltonian impulses that seem to be driving Trump, who is not against internationalism, but simply wants to negotiate a better deal. I think Cruz is the Jacksonian, while Rand was the Jeffersonian. Both are more isolationist and nationalistic than Trump or any of the other candidates, with the exception of Sanders.

I find it ironic that the nationalistic urges that hearken back to the isolationist tendencies of the average American are what is driving this election, and yet the election will likely come down to a choice between to internationalist candidates, Clinton the Wilsonian vs. Trump the Hamiltonian.

Oh well. The Supreme irony is the Jacksonians supporting Hamiltonian Trump.

Blogger tz March 01, 2016 10:33 AM  

Trump will halt and reverse the destruction of the nation, if for no other reason than the Globalists will be interrupted.

Mises was speaking of artificial low interest rates that don't provide enough capital for projects to be viable. He spoke of a master builder who started a building - is it better to find out there aren't enough bricks (they don't exist and can't be made) sooner or later? If you find out sooner, you idle a lot of people while reconsidering what to do, but it is better than the hard crash where you've built all but can't put the roof on and must stop.

Trump is already pulling and recreating "Reagan Democrats". Hillary? She disgusts Democrats more than most Republicans. They've had 8 years of their perfect candidate but there are no jobs, they have to pay the Obamacare "tax", things are worse. They are no more happy with their "establishment".

Blogger Dexter March 01, 2016 10:34 AM  

Codevilla whines:

http://thefederalist.com/2016/02/29/donald-trump-is-the-next-barack-obama/

"Obama has been our first emperor. A Donald Trump presidency, far from reversing the ruling class’s unaccountable hold over American life, would seal it. Because Trump would act as our second emperor, he would render well-nigh impossible our return to republicanism."

Blogger Scott6584 March 01, 2016 10:35 AM  

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Blogger tz March 01, 2016 10:35 AM  

@103 - Cruz has said on his first day in office, he will move the US Embassy to Jerusalem.
This will likely start another round of terrorism, alienate our remaining Arab allies, and maybe even start a war.
Trump will do nothing reckless whether I like what he actually does or not.

Blogger Scott6584 March 01, 2016 10:35 AM  

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Blogger Scott6584 March 01, 2016 10:35 AM  

I have already accepted that Trump will be the nominee. I am trying to understand the goal. If the goal is speeding up the destruction, then I understand. But if it is not, then what other reasons do Trump voters have?

Blogger Josh March 01, 2016 10:36 AM  

Correction, Lincoln was our first Emperor.

Blogger dienw March 01, 2016 10:36 AM  

Donald Trump is doing what Sam Francis advised Pat Buchanan to do back in 1996. Link was via Denninger.

Blogger Gaiseric March 01, 2016 10:38 AM  

As I've said before (and maybe will again; I guess I'll know after tonight); Cruz isn't a bad alternative. I don't like his ties to Goldman-Sachs. I don't like his recent conversion to a secure border and stopping immigration. I don't like his very fairly recent proposal to increase H-1B visas 500%, although I admit he seems to have heard and listened to the electorate on that one.

But those are no worse that the complaints that can be made about Trump. The real reason I don't support the Cruz candidacy is that 1) I don't think he can win, and 2) he doesn't have the skill or the vision to see the end-game of the destruction of political correctness and anti-nationalism.

You keep talking about Trump's imperfections. Yeah, I already get it. They're well known, in fact. The point is: nobody else is any better. And nobody else comes with the potential benefit of a Trump presidency. Everyone else—even Ted Cruz—is incremental change; tweaking of the same failed model. Trump is the only one that offers something different that has a chance of success. Is he a risk? Of course! But if Trump wakes up the American nation (not the American country; I still think you're using the word nation incorrectly most of the time) then he either better deliver, or the next leader to come along will make Trump look like Neville Chamberlain.

That's not what the Establishment fears... but it should be.

Blogger tz March 01, 2016 10:39 AM  

Trump: Vote for someone who will torch the zombies instead of voting for one of the zombies.

Blogger Alexander March 01, 2016 10:41 AM  

@108

Switzerland excels. Austria, Lichtenstein, Luxembourg, Andorra... do all right.

All the Stans, Bolivia, Paraguay... not so much.

Turn out, not having oceanfront is less an issue than not being European.

Blogger Josh March 01, 2016 10:52 AM  

. I am curious what the end game is for someone living in a land locked state.

The South will rise again.

Blogger Nick S March 01, 2016 10:53 AM  

Cast my vote for Trump today.

Just as meaningless as my vote for Cruz. The important thing is that I got my "I Voted" sticker so I can continue the tradition of wearing it to the Wal-Mart gun counter, asking to look at a Mossberg and muttering, "I'm going to be famous" while petting it. If the clerk says anything, I act like he's the crazy one, hand it back to him and walk away. Traditions can be fun.

Blogger tz March 01, 2016 10:57 AM  

@96 land-locked means less when there is air travel. It means even less when the land-locked areas are self-sufficient and produce more than they consume. When the EBT/SNAP cards no longer work.

Blogger Scott6584 March 01, 2016 11:01 AM  

Are seriously still fighting the Civil War?

I couldn't care less about "the South." What I care about is self-government.

Blogger SciVo March 01, 2016 11:01 AM  

Gaiseric wrote:http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/02/29/sununu-republicans-may-look-another-way-if-disaster-trump-become-nominee/

Sununu says Kasich should run as an independent if Trump is nominated. Seriously; how out of touch can you possibly be?


Well, Sununu is old. Low T would explain his affection for Right Porridge, the Dhimmicrat between Grandma Mao and the Bernshevik.

Anonymous BigGayKoranBurner March 01, 2016 11:02 AM  

“Trump has significant advantages, and that’s the way the system is designed,”

It was designed to let jeb have an easy victory even if he was in last place, if Trump doesn't win 8 states by 51% the GOPe could still give the nomination to jeb. All the zeros that stuck around where GOPe to drag across the finish line.

Nate and Josh on suicide watch Espeically after seals switched to glock 19s
http://www.longislandfirearms.com/forum/topic/149684-us-navy-seals-switch-to-glock-19/

jew sodaberg...jew bern...Because there's no fiercer fight than one between brothers.

Who would the Israeli's that run the diebold voting machines press the button for?

Wednesday afternoon, Mitt Romney files as an Independent, while simultaneously declaring Marco Rubio his VP choice

If that happens there might be a 6'+ guy with a rainbow feather boa & a Make American Great Again hat on TV talking about how he is pretty sure he meet a Cuban named Marco at a Miami Foam party.

Scream harder about "RACISS", it's something we've never heard lied about

They don't even know that black who know who owned the slave boats wont vote for Bern in Hell.

I agree that voting for Trump is voting for "fail faster."

Scotty you don't understand the only people willing to admit they voted for Obama now are white supremacists that say they knew he would be this bad and overplay the race card. If we wanted to fail faster we would be voting BERN LIKE HELL.

4. McConnell has come out saying that the senate would oppose and impede the President

Cucks are saying the perfumed princesses of the pentagon will not obey TRUMP.
https://silentsoldier.us/2016/02/29/former-cia-director-military-may-refuse-to-follow-trumps-orders-if-he-becomes-president/

I just highly doubt that the majority of people voting for Trump fully realize the ramifications of what they are voting for

The money wasted preparing for the nigapocalypse will make you anti fragile.

I just voted for Trump I just voted for HilLIARy but will vote TRUMP in the general never officially changed parties

Whites can make tacos just as well, if not better, than Mexicans. Whites forget the E Coli

Blogger Josh March 01, 2016 11:02 AM  

I found this prescient:

Ross Douthat – Verified account ‏@DouthatNYT
A thought sent back in time to the theocracy panic of 2005: If you dislike the religious right, wait till you meet the post-religious right.

Blogger Josh March 01, 2016 11:03 AM  

Are seriously still fighting the Civil War?

I couldn't care less about "the South." What I care about is self-government.


If you care about self government, shouldn't the South be free to govern itself?

Blogger SciVo March 01, 2016 11:06 AM  

Nate wrote:The primary argument made by those in charge of the GOP is Trump can't win the General Election. The problem with this is...those GOP leaders haven't proven THEY are capable of leading the party to a GOP win.

survival instinct has them between a rock and a hard place. If Trump wins and then gets blown out...they will get sent packing. If Cruz wins (which he can't at this point) they get sent packing.

The only way they keep power is if Trump wins then wins the General but they cannot even fathom that possibility.


I have a confession to make: I'm actually a Democrat.

Blogger Scott6584 March 01, 2016 11:07 AM  

Which brings up the whole internal migration issue. If/when some states stop supporting left wing social engineering projects, how will it affect where people move to? Or are poor people too lazy to move?

Also, how will the break up of America affect financial markets? Will each state or region develop its own stock market and banking system? The original confederation of States failed due to the weakness and inability to finance itself. How will that work out for future entities?

OpenID sigbouncer March 01, 2016 11:08 AM  

"He doesn't have much in the way of principles beyond his own vanity"

Have to disagree with you here Vox. By almost all accounts of those who know Trump well. Trump puts on an act or a front in his self promotion to get media attention. Which is very intelligent on his part.

Trump is a very principled man in the way he runs his businesses and treats his employees. Trump appears to have those same principles in the way he has fathered his children. Trump is principled in the way he builds things. Trump is principled in that one doesn't see him violating law. As just a few examples of Trump's principles from what I see.

I also believe Trump is running for POTUS based on his principles. As there are plenty of examples throughout Trump's history that show him in helping the less fortunate. From the paying off of the NJ couples mortgage for changing his limo tire to the $100 bills he flips to his employees when he sees them doing good work by his standards. I don't see Trump's running for POTUS as vanity.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3464605/If-want-know-Donald-Trump-run-White-House-look-operates-Mar-Lago.html

Blogger Scott6584 March 01, 2016 11:10 AM  

Sure. That is different than pining for the Southtown "rise again."

Blogger John Wright March 01, 2016 11:10 AM  

"A nation is an extended genetic family with a common culture."

That being the case, the United States is not a nation. The individual states may be, but the union of them is something more like a church: a population dedicated to a certain set of dogmas or doctrine.

Think of it as an English Protestant attempt to re-invent the Roman Catholic order: local kings, but above all states and unifying them, a spiritual authority, or, in this case, an idealistic authority devoted to the Constitutional form of government.

Blogger Scott6584 March 01, 2016 11:12 AM  

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Blogger Scott6584 March 01, 2016 11:12 AM  

Which brings up the whole internal migration issue. If/when some states stop supporting left wing social engineering projects, how will it affect where people move to? Or are poor people too lazy to move?

Also, how will the break up of America affect financial markets? Will each state or region develop its own stock market and banking system? The original confederation of States failed due to the weakness and inability to finance itself. How will that work out for future entities?

Anonymous Sick Duck March 01, 2016 11:13 AM  

I'm going to laugh tomorrow when Rubio crushes Trump and you guys are crying in your mother's basements.

Blogger Chris Mallory March 01, 2016 11:13 AM  

"If that happens there might be a 6'+ guy with a rainbow feather boa & a Make American Great Again hat on TV talking about how he is pretty sure he meet a Cuban named Marco at a Miami Foam party."

Jesse Ventura used to hang out at Miami Foam parties?

OpenID sigbouncer March 01, 2016 11:13 AM  

"Found my newest username."

Kudos for working the new name in whilst maintaining your highly valued principles on Bosoms.

Blogger Josh March 01, 2016 11:14 AM  

Trump is a very principled man in the way he runs his businesses and treats his employees.

Counterpoint: Trump University, Trump Mortgage, Trump's resorts staffed by migrant workers.

Blogger James Dixon March 01, 2016 11:15 AM  

> Not to be Debby Downer here, but I'd bet on collapse.

Not even a pair of Presidential terms is enough to make all the changes required to prevent collapse. We've taken over a hundred years to get to this point, and we're not going to reverse it in eight. It would take a minimum of 4 terms to get the necessary changes implemented and another 20 years for them to work. That's not going to happen, therefore collapse is inevitable.

Trump can merely slow the process down a bit and just possibly take the first few steps to fixing the problems.

> But your decision will hasten the destruction of the nation, IMO.

My country has been dead for a long time. I don't care if the zombie that's taken it's place gets destroyed or not.

> "Because, Fuck you" = Raze it to the ground.

No. It's raze the GOPe to the ground so something that represents us can take it's place. You haven't seen "raze it to the ground yet". But if Trump loses, you will.

> But your choices are to try to take over an established party, as the left did between 1968 & 1972, or build a whole new party.

Trump, like the Tea Party before him, is the attempt to take over the established party. If the party chooses to destroy itself instead, is that our fault?

> If the Democratic Party is left intact, what have you gained?

Wrong question. The correct question is "What have we lost?" And the answer is nothing. We've removed an impediment in our way, that's all.

> You cannot understand Trump if you don't understand that he is a master tactician, he's not a strategist.

Agreed. But he knows his limitations and knows how to find good strategists to advise him.





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Blogger SciVo March 01, 2016 11:18 AM  

Nick S wrote:If only Trump would be the wrecking ball he portrays himself to be, he might be worth supporting. He won't. Trump will be the globalist's wet dream realized. His ascendance is probably inevitable and possibly providential. In any case, his role will be/has been pivotal, interesting and, hopefully, entertaining.

Now I'm second-guessing myself. Which would make me angrier: if the GOP blocked him, or if he got in and betrayed me? Maybe the latter.

Blogger VD March 01, 2016 11:19 AM  

That being the case, the United States is not a nation. The individual states may be, but the union of them is something more like a church: a population dedicated to a certain set of dogmas or doctrine.

Yes, it is not a nation. But the union is not a church, it is an empire created by massive bloodshed and maintained by the threat of force.

It has less than 20 years remaining to it, by my estimate.

Blogger James Dixon March 01, 2016 11:22 AM  

> Are seriously still fighting the Civil War?

What makes you think they ever stopped?

> I'm going to laugh tomorrow when Rubio crushes Trump and you guys are crying in your mother's basements.

And we're going to laugh at you not understanding anything about us.

OpenID sigbouncer March 01, 2016 11:24 AM  

>Trump is a very principled man in the way he runs his businesses and treats his employees.

"Counterpoint: Trump University, Trump Mortgage, Trump's resorts staffed by migrant workers."

First let me preface with nobody is perfect.

That being said, I don't see your counterpoint of pointing to failed Trump businesses and the fact that he hired migrant workers to do jobs that nobody else was willing to do. As evidence of Trump not being principled.

Blogger Student in Blue March 01, 2016 11:26 AM  

@John Wright
"A nation is an extended genetic family with a common culture."

That being the case, the United States is not a nation. The individual states may be, but the union of them is something more like a church: a population dedicated to a certain set of dogmas or doctrine.

Correct, that being the case, the United States is not a nation, but a country comprised of multiple nations.

However, even individual states are not nations, because nations are not the government, but the people. And the union of them is not like a church, as the states are kept together via threats of force and money. Even the dogma and doctrine is essentially nonexistant or wildly different from one state to the next.

The only relatively common doctrine is one of "freedom", and the definition of that is not even agreed upon. If the United States were to be a church, it would be an overwhelmingly frail one indeed.

Anonymous The OASF March 01, 2016 11:30 AM  

@137

VD, do you think the end result of Trump ascendance could be an orchestrated cannibalizing and/or balkanization of the USA, in a relatively peaceful way, similar to the USSR where the elites just walk away and try to steal everything not bolted down?

Or is total collapse and war unavoidable?

OpenID sigbouncer March 01, 2016 11:38 AM  

To add to @139

A less principled individual would have settled the suit with respects to Trump University. In knowing ahead of time that this (suit) would be used in a negative way to affect his Presidential candidacy.

Blogger Nate March 01, 2016 11:40 AM  

"to do jobs that nobody else was willing to do."

see.. when you use idiotic arguments that liberals use to justify invasion...you're not helping your case.

Blogger SciVo March 01, 2016 11:40 AM  

VD wrote:Care to split hairs SiB?

I will say that I believe that Trump is genuinely a nationalist at heart. I don't think he is a globalist in the mode of Bush, Clinton, and Obama. But that's not a principle, that's an identity.

You cannot understand Trump if you don't understand that he is a master tactician, he's not a strategist. He believes, quite often rightly, that he can walk into a situation, see what it is, and adjust. If his goal is to Make America Great rather than Make America a Province of the One-World Government, his tactical sense will lead him in the right direction much more often than not.

And I really doubt he would be content to play whipping boy for the UN and the IMF.


Now that I fully agree with. He's a process guy with national pride.

Anonymous WinstonWebb March 01, 2016 11:41 AM  

Sick DuckMarch 01, 2016 11:13 AM
I'm going to laugh tomorrow when Rubio crushes Trump and you guys are crying in your mother's basements.


So glad the Internet is forever. We can bring IP this beautiful post, complete with date & timestamp, from tomorrow ad infinitum every time you show up to spout more of your douche-nozzlery.

I see a username change in your future...

OpenID sigbouncer March 01, 2016 11:47 AM  

>to do jobs that nobody else was willing to do.

"see.. when you use idiotic arguments that liberals use to justify invasion...you're not helping your case."

Those were Trump's exact words, not mine. And the point he made was that if he didn't use them. That it would have put American workers who were working there out of jobs.

Blogger Gaiseric March 01, 2016 11:49 AM  

Nate wrote:"to do jobs that nobody else was willing to do."

see.. when you use idiotic arguments that liberals use to justify invasion...you're not helping your case.

I don't see Trump's past tepid, inertial support for immigration to be any different than the generic run-of-the-mill Americans position on the same. It's really only been the last few years that it's been obvious enough that anyone outside of the DC beltway has been unable to ignore it. And Trump is nearly as isolated in some ways as the DC guys.

And yet, he saw the light way before anyone else attempting to run did. To me, that is a lot more convincing than Ted Cruz's johnny-come-lately conversion to the notion after seeing how well it played.

Blogger Escoffier March 01, 2016 11:49 AM  

Kansas Wing ManMarch 01, 2016 7:58 AM
Pat Buchanan's recent piece says that win or lose, the GOP will never recover but conservatism will. It's worth reading.


All due respect to Uncle Pat but I think this is the deTh knell of conservatism and the rise of the nationalist.

Blogger Nick S March 01, 2016 11:50 AM  

A less principled individual would have settled the suit with respects to Trump University.

Or a more principled, but less megalomaniacal individual.

Blogger Nate March 01, 2016 11:51 AM  

"I couldn't care less about "the South." What I care about is self-government. "

fascinating. We couldn't care less about you either.

We happen to agree on self government though.

OpenID sigbouncer March 01, 2016 11:53 AM  

>A less principled individual would have settled the suit with respects to Trump University.

"Or a more principled, but less megalomaniacal individual."

More principled based on what?

Anonymous The OASF March 01, 2016 12:03 PM  

@148

Pitchfork Pat still has established financial/career incentives to keep some remnant of the GOP/GOPe alive... so he plays slightly dumb on this topic - methinks.

Blogger YIH March 01, 2016 12:04 PM  

bob k. mando March 01, 2016 9:27 AM

anybody got the photochop skillz to change the last word on this to Lulz?

Eh, I like this one better...

Blogger Nate March 01, 2016 12:06 PM  

"I don't see Trump's past tepid, inertial support for immigration to be any different than the generic run-of-the-mill Americans position on the same."

I don't either.

My issue is not with Trump... so much as SigBouncers idiotic invocation of "Jobs Americans Won't Do".

Which is, and always has been, bullshit.

Blogger Student in Blue March 01, 2016 12:14 PM  

@VD
You cannot understand Trump if you don't understand that he is a master tactician, he's not a strategist. He believes, quite often rightly, that he can walk into a situation, see what it is, and adjust.
Does Scott Adams then have it semantically incorrect when he calls it Strategic Ambiguity?

Blogger Gaiseric March 01, 2016 12:15 PM  

The OASF wrote:Pitchfork Pat still has established financial/career incentives to keep some remnant of the GOP/GOPe alive... so he plays slightly dumb on this topic - methinks.
It's also a question of semantics, though. He's also attached to the label conservative, even if it means something quite a bit different than what it's been used for in the last few years. It also hearkens back to our constant splitting along two axes in this country. We can redefine what it means to be conservative, but I think we'll have less luck telling folks that they need to just come up with an all new axis. Too much inertia.

OpenID sigbouncer March 01, 2016 12:16 PM  

"My issue is not with Trump... so much as SigBouncers idiotic invocation of "Jobs Americans Won't Do".

Which is, and always has been, bullshit."

Did you not watch the debate and see Trump saying this? Did you not read my response that showed Trump said this?

So yes, your issue actually is with Trump.

And out of curiosity Nate. What is your experience with hiring seasonal hotel workers in Florida? That makes you such a know-it-all on who is available to work during peak time in Florida resorts. Or are you just talking out of your ass again?

Blogger SciVo March 01, 2016 12:16 PM  

Scott6584 wrote:I have already accepted that Trump will be the nominee. I am trying to understand the goal. If the goal is speeding up the destruction, then I understand. But if it is not, then what other reasons do Trump voters have?

Okay. I don't mind explaining other people.

1. Burn it down
2. Because fuck you
3. Wrecking ball
4. Murder weapon
5. Big beautiful wall
6. Sucking sound reversed
7. Just say no to hijra
8. Pancake it or stay out
9. Down with donor class hegemony
10. Last chance for democracy
11. No more cronyism
12. No more globalism
13. Leader of men

Blogger tz March 01, 2016 12:29 PM  

@125 - The only thing that can cancel lesser sins are divine grace or vanity. (Lewis - The Great Sin from Mere Christianity IIRC)
Trump may be honest because he is a Christian and believes so, or because people would think worse of him if he was dishonest, and his vanity prevents him from breaking his word.
In this day and age, I can't know anything about his divorces. While I would like to believe it was something beyond Vanity, that he didn't just want a shinier trophy, I can't be sure.
Only God Knows, but we can trust in Divine Providence - and Divine Justice. We will get the president we deserve. Let that give you hope or fear or both.

Blogger tz March 01, 2016 12:30 PM  

@158 - I think that is a fairly complete list.

Anonymous Bill Martin March 01, 2016 12:34 PM  

President Trump will have an opportunity unique in recent history. With ~25% if federal employees due to retire in the next few years, the size of government can be drastically reduced without a bunch of bitching about "those poor people who will be laid off" if we shrink the government.

Blogger Lew Rand March 01, 2016 12:42 PM  

> More principled based on what?

Probably believes all suits have merit and thus Trump must be hiding something.

Its the 'Where there is smoke there has to be fire' mentality, even as they deliver truckloads of Dry Ice to the location.

Blogger Escoffier March 01, 2016 12:43 PM  

Kansas Wing ManMarch 01, 2016 7:58 AM
Pat Buchanan's recent piece says that win or lose, the GOP will never recover but conservatism will. It's worth reading.


All due respect to Uncle Pat but I think this is the deTh knell of conservatism and the rise of the nationalist.

Blogger Gaiseric March 01, 2016 12:43 PM  

Bill Martin wrote:President Trump will have an opportunity unique in recent history. With ~25% if federal employees due to retire in the next few years, the size of government can be drastically reduced without a bunch of bitching about "those poor people who will be laid off" if we shrink the government.
There was a poll published not too long ago that suggested that up to ~25% of federal employees would quit if Trump were elected. I'm sure there's some overlap, but not without at least some cause, you could suggest that a Trump victory would lead to up to a 50% reduction in federal head-count in his first term!

Blogger Lew Rand March 01, 2016 12:46 PM  

I know most government pension plans are a disaster (for the private sector trying to pay for them), but haven't really heard about Federal employees.

Is that due to the just outrageous size of the Federal government?

Blogger Scott6584 March 01, 2016 12:51 PM  

Okay,

I think I detect a few camps of People who are supporting Trump:

1) I think the biggest group is just the people who are tired of supporting the status quo. Due to the influx of illegal immigrants that is being condoned by both parties, they want someone - anyone - who will say "Stop." But there is also an issue with legal immigration, from H1-B Visas which purposely displace American born workers with lower paid, indentured servitude labor, to importing "refugees" who threaten the security of the nation.

2. You have the fringe "white-supremacist" groups who see Trump's rejection of immigrants as a way to reassert White dominance. While as a white man, I have nothing against being proud of being white, I think white people here and in Europe are mostly accomplishing the decline of the white race by refusing to breed and have more white babies. Blaming other races (some of which are doing the same thing, a la China and Japan) is missing the point.

Yes there are inherent genetic differences that shouldn't be ignored, and we should be proud of who we are. But there are also multiple white races, not just one. Scandinavians are not Slavics, are not Mediterraneans are not Anglo/Saxon are not Irish are not Germanic are not Gaul are not Cossack are not Iberian are not Baltic are not Hungarian are not Swiss, etc. "White" supremacy is stupid because it is too broad.

3. Those who simply want to burn the whole system down.

4. Those (deluded few) who actually believe Trump is principled.

Blogger Dexter March 01, 2016 12:54 PM  

Cucks are saying the perfumed princesses of the pentagon will not obey TRUMP.
https://silentsoldier.us/2016/02/29/former-cia-director-military-may-refuse-to-follow-trumps-orders-if-he-becomes-president/


Haw. Don't count on it. Every general knows he can be shitcanned and instantly replaced if he refuses to obey orders.

Whatever comes down from the top WILL be obeyed.

Blogger Dexter March 01, 2016 12:55 PM  

There was a poll published not too long ago that suggested that up to ~25% of federal employees would quit if Trump were elected.

They're lying. They will stay on the inside and try to make sure Trump fails.

But if they do quit - AWESOME! See ya!

OpenID sigbouncer March 01, 2016 12:57 PM  

"Trump may be honest because he is a Christian and believes so, or because people would think worse of him if he was dishonest, and his vanity prevents him from breaking his word.
In this day and age, I can't know anything about his divorces. While I would like to believe it was something beyond Vanity, that he didn't just want a shinier trophy, I can't be sure"

I am of the belief that if Trump were so vain. He would be parading the couple around from NJ whose mortgage he paid off. And bringing out Jennifer Hudson, along with anyone else he has helped that would show him in good light.

The fact that Trump remains humble, in many respects, about some of the more extraordinary things he has done for people. That says something to me. In the same way that Trump doesn't stand with a bible in hand (ala Cruz).

As to his marriages. Who really knows other than those involved? And how important is it considering how much he improved his ex wives quality of life financially? It's not like he left his ex wives broke and out on the street. They appear to be happy and not holding any animosity towards him. Is that not enough to show him as a decent man?

"Only God Knows, but we can trust in Divine Providence - and Divine Justice."

Agreed.

Blogger Lew Rand March 01, 2016 12:57 PM  

Scott6584: Being relatively new here (1 year with limited commenting) I should let the big dogs chew you apart. But honestly the concern trolling is starting to wear even on me.

If you had stopped at 1 (and probably 3) you would have been fine. But you had to get your dig in with 'RACISS' and your obvious fear of someone who is actually successful (who in the business world has to be principled by default. You can get away with it for a while, but sooner or later scoundrels are stopped when actions have consequences).

Trying to quote (miserably): "Don't worry, the trains are just fine"

Blogger Student in Blue March 01, 2016 1:01 PM  

@Scott6584

If you're lumping nationalists together with white-supremacists, you're wrong.

SciVo at @158 has a pretty accurate list.

OpenID sigbouncer March 01, 2016 1:03 PM  

"4. Those (deluded few) who actually believe Trump is principled."

This is coming from a Cruz supporter who holds up the bible in one hand... While Cruz lies his ass off about others in the other hand.

I'd say your judgement is deluded based on your Cruz support.

Blogger Josh March 01, 2016 1:17 PM  

Sigbouncer, you are the dumbest commenter in the history of this blog.

Blogger James Dixon March 01, 2016 1:20 PM  

> Sigbouncer, you are the dumbest commenter in the history of this blog.

Now that's not fair, Josh. Just because he makes the dumbest comments doesn't mean he's the dumbest. Some dumb people have enough wisdom to keep their mouths shut.

OpenID sigbouncer March 01, 2016 1:24 PM  

"Sigbouncer, you are the dumbest commenter in the history of this blog."

Says the guy who starts debate... And then dicktucks and runs when called to the carpet to support his assertions.

@139

OpenID sigbouncer March 01, 2016 1:29 PM  

"Now that's not fair, Josh. Just because he makes the dumbest comments doesn't mean he's the dumbest. Some dumb people have enough wisdom to keep their mouths shut."

Ass kisser. Wipe your lips boy.

Anonymous old white racist blowhard March 01, 2016 1:33 PM  

As far as Trump hiring illegals: It's not hiring illegals for "jobs Americans won't do". It is playing the game by the rules other people set.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash March 01, 2016 1:36 PM  

bob k. mando wrote:anybody got the photochop skillz to change the last word on this to Lulz?
Not a shoop, just a carappy Paint edit I put it up on twitter.

Blogger James Dixon March 01, 2016 1:40 PM  

> Ass kisser. Wipe your lips boy.

Try to compliment someone and see where it gets you. :)

Blogger Nate March 01, 2016 1:43 PM  

" What is your experience with hiring seasonal hotel workers in Florida? "

My experience... you ignorant useless piece of shit fucktard... is in economics. That same retarded defense is applied to farm work... construction work... and everything else.

American absolutely will do the work. Americans need an want jobs.

Fucks like Trump just don't want to hire them... because americans bring SSI and Workman's Comp requirments than Illegals don't.

So fuck you. And fuck Trump.

Those jobs that americans won't do somehow always got done when there weren't 60 million mexicans here to do them.

That is proof enough that the assertion is bullshit.

Maybe parroting pro-amnesty liberals sounds smart to you. That just proves my initial statement.

You're an idiot.

Blogger Nate March 01, 2016 1:49 PM  

" It is playing the game by the rules other people set."

and I have no problem with that statement at all.

What I can't stand is the liberal mantra "jobs americans won't do". Whenever someone says that they need a boot on their throat ASAP.

Its a lie. Straight up.

OpenID sigbouncer March 01, 2016 1:50 PM  

>What is your experience with hiring seasonal hotel workers in Florida?

"My experience... you ignorant useless piece of shit fucktard... is in economics. That same retarded defense is applied to farm work... construction work... and everything else."

So you have no experience but wanna run your mouth about it anyway.

Typical mouthboxer. You wanna tell me how to throw people on their heads next dick wart?

Blogger Clint March 01, 2016 1:56 PM  

Look moron. Trump hires illegals to do masonry: See Here.

There are plenty of Americans who would do that job: See Here.

Since you are obviously challenged, I will point out that I am not advocated unions or anything else here. I am simply pointing out that the statement that Americans refuse to do such jobs is stupid.

Blogger Escoffier March 01, 2016 2:01 PM  

People, including Nate, your precious Mexican food isn't going away. In fact, it's going to get better and more sanitary.

As a cook and a chef... THIS

Blogger Escoffier March 01, 2016 2:06 PM  

the Wal-Mart gun counter, asking to look at a Mossberg and muttering, "I'm going to be famous" while petting it.

I would have gone with a sibilant "my precious." but that's just me.

OpenID sigbouncer March 01, 2016 2:09 PM  

"Look moron. Trump hires illegals to do masonry: See Here.

There are plenty of Americans who would do that job: See Here.

Since you are obviously challenged, I will point out that I am not advocated unions or anything else hereI am simply pointing out that the statement that Americans refuse to do such jobs is stupid."

And how again is this relevant to seasonal hotel workers in Florida?

Do you know anything about seasonal hotel/resort work in Florida?

Unless you were there posting the jobs and doing the hiring for Trump at his hotel/resort, you don't know.

You're clueless on the area (Florida) and who might have even been available in said area to work the jobs available?

Yet you imply you know. Moron.

Blogger Giraffe March 01, 2016 2:13 PM  

Sigbouncer did the hiring for Trump?

Blogger Clint March 01, 2016 2:13 PM  

I apologize for drawing attention to your obvious reading comprehension problem.

As I stated above, the point is that the statement that Americans won't do the job is stupid. Americans will do the jobs. As Nate clearly pointed out, they got done before the influx of illegals. They will get done.

I did not speak to any single location, but the concept in general.

OpenID sigbouncer March 01, 2016 2:22 PM  

"I did not speak to any single location, but the concept in general."

Well then you are OT with respects to the discussion.

The Trump jobs were seasonal. And came about unexpectedly midway thru the peak season according to Trump. Based on what I remember him saying on the subject at the last debate.

Most of the workers were already working full-time jobs at hotels/resorts in that area according to Trump. The jobs that Trump was offering were mostly grounds keeping jobs that were only part time, 24 hours a week.

If you have ever done work in these types of places. You would understand the situation.

OpenID sigbouncer March 01, 2016 2:24 PM  

"Sigbouncer did the hiring for Trump?"

Am I the one calling Trump a liar, despite not knowing jack shit about it?

No I didn't think so...

Blogger Clint March 01, 2016 2:25 PM  

No, I am not off topic. Nate clearly stated ( @181 ) that it was the liberal mantra of "Jobs Americans won't do" that he was responding to. It was not one isolated issue.

Keep up. You seem to be having conversations in your head that are not taking place anywhere else.

Also, you have no idea what my background or experience is. Do not assume that I have never worked a seasonal job.

OpenID sigbouncer March 01, 2016 2:29 PM  

"No, I am not off topic. Nate clearly stated ( @181 ) that it was the liberal mantra of "Jobs Americans won't do" that he was responding to. It was not one isolated issue."

Yes it was an isolated issue as Nate continued to apply it to my OP as related to Trump. Calling Trump a liar, despite not knowing jack shit about it as I posted above..

Blogger James Dixon March 01, 2016 2:31 PM  

> Its a lie. Straight up.

Well, there is that unstated "for what we want to pay them" caveat.

OpenID sigbouncer March 01, 2016 2:32 PM  

"Also, you have no idea what my background or experience is. Do not assume that I have never worked a seasonal job."

Either you have worked a seasonal hotel/resort job in the Florida area near Trump's location to understand the dynamics of the situation. Or you haven't.

There is no in between "I've worked seasonal" shit with respects to this discussion.

Blogger Clint March 01, 2016 2:35 PM  

Next time I am in Florida, I will have to pay more attention. I did not realize that the laws of economics did not work there.

OpenID sigbouncer March 01, 2016 2:35 PM  

> Its a lie. Straight up.

"Well, there is that unstated "for what we want to pay them" caveat."

Are you implying there isn't a minimum wage law in Florida? These people were part time grounds keepers who likely walked the resort picking up trash.

Blogger Old Racist Bosoms of Crackpottery March 01, 2016 2:36 PM  

This is not the sigbouncer show.

Everybody stop the personal attacks and get back to the schadenfreude.

OpenID sigbouncer March 01, 2016 2:37 PM  

"Next time I am in Florida, I will have to pay more attention. I did not realize that the laws of economics did not work there."

http://i1.wp.com/nathanbickel.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/strawmanillustration.png

Anonymous A.B. Prosper March 01, 2016 2:42 PM  


#3254 wrote:Townhall Columnist, Probable Cuck, Says Trump is Lying About Immigration Stance

@13 You do know that everyone here is well aware of this possibility? A possible cuck vs. two certain cucks is still the best option.

In any case if he does betray us, its moves the ratchet our direction anyway. "there is no hope of a electoral solution of any kind." is a far stronger position than the one we are in now. Americans you see lacking that critical component of change, willpower.

Anyway as viidad notes, Vlad Tepes isn't running. So, its Trump.

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